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Monday, December 7, 2015

Keegan

Tom Keegan: Don’t swear off KU just yet

Kansas guard Devonte' Graham (4) extends for a bucket in transition against Harvard guard Tommy McCarthy (3) during the first half, Saturday, Dec. 5, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Devonte' Graham (4) extends for a bucket in transition against Harvard guard Tommy McCarthy (3) during the first half, Saturday, Dec. 5, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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If only all those people who rifled remotes at their TVs and swore off Kansas University basketball for life when Harvard tied the score with 7:36 remaining Saturday could have exercised just a wee bit more patience. They could call themselves a fan of the No. 2 team in the nation.

Too late, already swore off the Jayhawks.

That’s how it goes early in a college basketball season. Final Four contenders today. Bums tomorrow. Sure-fire national champions next week. No shot whatsoever the week after that.

KU very well could move from No. 4 in the Associated Press poll to No. 2, despite Saturday’s lackluster six-point victory vs. a Harvard squad that traveled so much farther to scare Kansas than it did to lose to Providence, UMass (at home), Boston College, Holy Cross (visits Allen Fieldhouse on Wednesday) and Northeastern.

Even so, the odds of Kansas winning its second national title under Bill Self seemed better, based on the absence of an obvious No. 1 in the wake of Kentucky’s loss to a team that Kansas smoked in Maui.

Michigan State, the only team to beat KU, will move into No. 1, climbing over No. 2 Maryland (eight-point loss at North Carolina) and No. 1 Kentucky (10-point loser to UCLA in Pauley Pavilion). If the Tar Heels, a different team with star guard Marcus Paige back in the lineup, aren’t No. 2, Kansas likely will occupy the spot for the moment.

Two games, 23 minutes, 17 points, eight rebounds, four blocked shots and five personal fouls into Cheick Diallo’s college basketball career, it’s difficult to identify the nation’s top national-title contender, but the usual suspects are vying for No. 1. Vegasinsider.com still had Kentucky on top Sunday night at 5/1, followed by Duke (9/1), Maryland and Virginia (10/1), Michigan State (13/1) and Kansas (14/1).

Diallo’s development during his freshman season, although far from the only key factor in how strong KU becomes, ranks as the most intriguing. He has a soft touch, but doesn’t know when and sometimes how to use it. He’s a quick jumper with long arms and quick feet, but doesn’t yet know how to defend in the post.

“He’s going to foul a lot, but that’s OK. He’ll be aggressive and foul,” Self said. “He’s got to figure out how to play defense before his man catches it, as opposed to just playing behind.”

Self and assistants must coach plenty of know-how into Diallo in a short period, but won’t have to coach effort. Those type of development projects are the most enjoyable to witness.

Comments

Joe Ross 6 years, 11 months ago

The rankings dont mean everything, Tom. They are simply a snapshot of what the press and coaches feel about teams at a particular point in time and the likelihood that the polls accurately capture the proper strength progression of top teams (1-25) in any particular poll is very small. In fact, Id put money on Kansas if they met MSU again even though the Spartans are likely to take the overall number 1 spot in the polls.

Having said that, I dont think fans are jumping off the ship so much as reiterating concerns that have characterized individual players on this team (for a number of seasons in some cases) and what often appears as an inability to put opponents away. Said another way, Kansas is often a better team than how it plays, and that has been a concern in the last couple of seasons especially. Doesnt mean we dont love our Hawks. Just means they make us nervous sometimes...

Suzi Marshall 6 years, 11 months ago

The past couple of years the team had to many weaknesses to compete on a national level, i.e. the number of blowouts last year in prime time.

With regards to this year's team, I'm not so sure fans have sworn off the Hawks. The opening night exhibition performance followed by several lackluster displays of poor FT and rim shooting exposes to the teams likely fatal flaw. Poor finishing at the rim has been the character stamp of this group throughout this particular era. The Stanford loss two years ago in the NCAA, where the team went 4-16 at the rim is an example of how one night will end the season.

This team has the talent for sure, although I'm skeptical Diallo will develop the FTs skills in time to be counted on in crunch time, but they will need to finish in the mid 70s or higher in both FT and rim shots for 6 straight games in late March/early April to win a National Title.

Expectations for this year's team have probably been checked all over Jayhawk nation.

Michael Lorraine 6 years, 11 months ago

For the last few seasons, at times it looks like they are playing with a sense of entitlement and lack the type of hunger I saw in the 2011-2012 team, especially in the tournament. Are they buying into their own hype?

Rodney Crain 6 years, 11 months ago

100% agree Joe.

Keegan is off base. Nervous and I would add frustrated that we still play soft.

Wanting your team to play to their potential is not giving up.

Joe Joseph 6 years, 11 months ago

The fickle nature of many KU fans (myself included) comes from being all to familiar with the fickle nature of the NCAA tournament.

I'd be willing to bet even the most pessimistic of fans would concede that Kansas is one of the best teams in the nation. There aren't many teams I would take over Kansas in a 5 or even 3-game series. But it's one-and-done come tournament time and for that reason fans want consistency more than anything. It's always, "this is going to bite us in March." We've seen it happen often.

I wish success wasn't so heavily defined by tournament performance. Nature of the beast and all...

Mike Riches 6 years, 11 months ago

Polls and Vegas odds mean nothing.

I do think it's way too early to know how our team is going to play in March. There were certainly some games in 11/12 where it didn't look like that squad would make much noise in the tourney. What that team had is fight. They never gave up, no matter what the scoreboard said. I saw that flashes of that kind of fight in South Korea, which makes me optimistic.

I would like to see some more consistency early, especially after the WUG (even though we were missing nearly half our rotation there) but this is a long season....

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 11 months ago

Vegas isn't about picking winners, they're about making money and setting lines that make them the most money. Vegas never has and never will be about getting champs right, they're all about money.

Stiff like ESPN's power index, Sagarin polls, and other analytical sites are the ones all about picking champs based on the numbers. Thise are the places to see what their accuracy is on picking champs because that's their purpose.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Vegas NEVER favors a team that is less likely to win. They also don't post bigger odds on teams that are more likely to win. Sorry, your comment couldn't be more wrong.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 11 months ago

So sports books aren't in the business of making money? Vegas does not care about who wins the actual games, they care about the point spreads because that's where they make their money.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

"Vegas isn't about picking winners" Odds, point spreads etc are all simply about one thing. Picking winners.

Sorry, your comment couldn't be more wrong.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 11 months ago

Vegas is about making $$$. Picking winners and all that stuff is on the person making the bet, not the person setting the line.

If you get a game where one team is definitively better than another, yet the betting patterns start leaning too heavily towards one team, the line gets adjusted to favor the house regardless of which team is actually better.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Please direct me to a Vegas board where the team less likely to win is favored. A chance to get points for a team that is better. Vegas is about picking the winner. That's the cornerstone of setting a line.

You're arguing a more idiotic idea than some of the other loons...

Rodney Crain 6 years, 11 months ago

Aaron you ever look at Nate Silvers 538 site? I am big fan of his. Read his book too.

Rodney Crain 6 years, 11 months ago

Jay I don't think you know how Vegas determines lines for betting. Their goal with any line is to entice betters to bet on the game. Its all about the money in play, not as much as who wins the game but how many will bet on them to win it by a certain score.

They actually can lose money, alot of money, if all the favorites cover. This just happened a few weeks ago on a Sundays. They do not like to lose money in Vegas....

Vegas odds are not a precursor of who will win, but who will people bet on to win and always by how big a score.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Roddy...Are you saying that Vegas places it's line based on who more fans like than who will win? Surely you're not that stupid. If too many favorites cover it's a sign that the line wasn't set correctly, that's all. Is there anything you really do understand?

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 11 months ago

Aaron has it right. If there is too much betting on one side, the odds makers will adjust the odds.Their goal is to keep the percentage they get on each bet made. Who wins or who loses is inconsequential. They want the betting to be as close to equal as possible for both sides.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

Keegan is creating a straw-man argument to silence all opposition. No one has sworn off this year's team. However, that doesn't mean that KU shouldn't be playing better, both overall and in specific instances.

I think it will be extremely difficult for KU to win it all if HCBS continues to play through Ellis, near the post. We either need to play through our guards, or use Ellis' strengths. Ellis IS NOT a low post scorer. He is a match-up scorer. Against smaller teams he can win in the post. Against bigger teams, if he is away from the basket he can shoot the 3, or beat them with his superior moves/spins/quickness. But HCBS is too stubborn.

This team doesn't have a low post scorer (against good competition) so we need to play to our strengths. Spread the other team out and let our guards get into the lane, creating opportunities for others.

Nick Willets 6 years, 11 months ago

Totally agree, Jared. Ellis should not be the #1 option nor should we play through him down low unless he has a big size advantage. It's time for Self to deviate from his normal style and embrace what we are with our current players. I do think this team has enough to compete for a title if we play to our strengths.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Is it his .521% shooting percentage, 15 PPG or less than one turnover per game that makes you believe he's a bad option to get touches? I'd love to know how you came to that decision.

Bob Thompson 6 years, 11 months ago

In the '88 championship that KU won with Danny and the miracles, KU had 11 losses going into the tournament. The championship game that KU won against Oklahoma was beyond belief. Just saying that any team can rise above their ability to win a game.

All the negative comments about KU is almost laughable. No one outside the KU coaches knows the KU players better, and no one knows better than the coaches what it takes to go all the way. A good coach knows how to get into a players head to help him be a better player and how to orchestrate a group of outstanding athlete to work together for a common goal.

Yes, KU as had early exits from the tournament, but so has a lot of outstanding teams. If you think that all the negative comments actually help you are sadly mistaken. If you are so delusional as to think you can do a better job, think again.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

Bob, my apologies for using critical thought, and not having blind faith in the deity that is Bill Self (sarcasm font). But seriously, coaches aren't perfect. Even if HCBS is a better coach than all of the fans combined, doesn't mean he can't overvalue defense (or certain players), or have biases of which he is ignorant (but the fans aren't).

I respect of fan who is eternally optimistic in face of all the evidence (even though I may pity him/her); but I also respect a fan who believes our team is better than it performs at times, uses critical thought, and doesn't think HCBS is infallible.

Rodney Crain 6 years, 11 months ago

Sorry Bob totally disagree. You miss on every point you try to make.

88 team, there is a reason they are called the miracles. That was totally unexpected (I was still living in Lawrence and went to a lot of games that year). It has never equaled. That was a pleasant but shocking result.

When you team consistently gives away big leads, and has issues with execution of defense and rebounding you are putting stress on your team and players. Add in another poor start to free throw shooting and the frustration is understandable.

A good coach can only do so much. When Perry, a senior who has played a lot for us gets benched, some of this is on the players. It just has to be with so many upper classman on the team.

A lot of outstanding teams have made more final fours and won more national championships too. You point does not hold water. What would you rather have, most games won in the NCAA since 2000 or 1 or 2 more National Championships? Here is a hint you want the National Championships. I could live with the early exits if we got to the final four a few more times even.

Last point, what is wrong from wanting you team to play better? It is not unrealistic to want that. It is not being ungrateful. In this climate of particiaption medals and cheering for medicorcity excellence has lost some of its luster.

“Gentlemen, we will chase perfection, and we will chase it relentlessly, knowing all the while we can never attain it. But along the way, we shall catch excellence.” ― Vince Lombardi

Bob Thompson 6 years, 11 months ago

Sorry Rodney, maybe I should be more clear, the point is being negative serves no useful purpose. It is liking being a bully, negative people only try to bring others down to make them selves feel better.

Brett McCabe 6 years, 11 months ago

Also, as side notes, we've lost one game - to Michigan State - destroyed a team that just beat Kentucky and beat another SEC team that is picked second in the SEC.

We've been uneven this year, for sure, but the team has shown some tremendous upside. The Harvard game should not be accepted or excepted, but this team has already shown what it can do against great competition. Once the rotation is worked out, it should start a steady climb upwards.

Rodney Crain 6 years, 11 months ago

I call it being realistic Bob, sorry. It is not blindly, like you, others are on here, thinking we are just fine, we will be ok, making the same mistakes we have made the last few years. We know where this type of play will end up and these are mostly the same players (when Diallo does not play that much) who ended there. Out early in the NCAA.

Can you say, honestly that after that effort at home no less, where our star was benched, we let a 16 lead slip away, and end up tied, is the 2nd or even 7th ranked team in the country?

Seriously you can't. We are very beatable and if one or two key players can't bail us out we are going to have another up and down year.

Jeremy Wilhelm 6 years, 11 months ago

Sorry, but we don't have enough evidence to support your comment that our 'team consistently gives up big leads'. KU hasn't played enough games against quality teams to have any idea about that. We've blown out a few teams, lost to a quality team, and struggled against a sub-standard opponent so far. All we know is that this team is still developing. Making more of a claim than that is probably making one claim too many.

Rodney Crain 6 years, 11 months ago

Sure we do Jeremy, this is basically the same team as last year, when Diallo does not play that much. Look at last year. Have you seen clear improvements from any of those players just because they are a year older? I havn't.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Rod. That's perhaps the most idiotic comment here. No Jayhawk player has improved? You're just being silly, right?

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

Bob, I respect your opinion, but disagree. Being “negative” (seeing both the good and bad in your team) serves the same purpose as being naively optimistic (only seeing the good). If the coaches are unlikely to act on negative fan talk, then they are just as unlikely to act on positive fan talk. So, why talk at all?

I would argue that fan talk serves a useful purpose for (1) the fans (2) the coaches. (1) It serves a useful purpose for fans, because it can be cathartic to discuss why your team is playing poorly. After a loss, or poor play, some fans need to vent. Being a fan is all about emotions, and venting those emotions can be helpful. (2) It serves a useful purpose for the coaches, because if a critical mass of fans are upset with how the coach is performing, the coaches will start feeling the pressure, and the administration may eventually decide on a coaching change. It happens all of the country, every year. In conclusion, fan talk (positive and negative) serves a useful purpose.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Jared. I'm sorry I missed this doozie. Wow...

You think that because you post your "expert" opinions, a Hall of Fame coach who may well end up as the winningest of all time might decide to change his approach and adopt yours? You think that Zenger may eventually fire Bill Self, winner of 12 straight conference titles because you're critical of him online? I can't begin to imagine some of the other ideas that float around in your head.....

David Innes 6 years, 11 months ago

It annoys me when people talk about the '88 team like they sucked. I mean, it's partially our own fault for calling them Danny and the Miracles, but they were ranked #7 in the preseason polls. Our strength of schedule was second in the nation, 5 of our losses were to Elite 8 teams, and we also had early season losses to Illinois and Iowa, who were good that year. Throw in that Larry never won at Iowa State, and that leaves only three losses that might even be questionable. Even then, one of them was to St John's, playing them for the second time in three weeks, and one was to a Digger Phelps Notre Dame team, both tournament teams and both on the road. The only bad loss that year was to Nebraska on the road by 2 points on a last second shot in a game we let a 16 pt lead slip away (which, by the way, is STILL on their website as one of their top ten all-time wins), and we pounded them by 22 in the rematch. It might have been miraculous that we beat Oklahoma, but because they were so dominant, not because we weren't any good.

Rodney Crain 6 years, 11 months ago

David your list is the exact reason no one thought KU would make the final four, or even win against OK who had beat them twice during the season. You are way off base thinking that anyone thought they sucked. They thought they were uncapable of those lofy goals too.

It is absurd to think that anyone, the coach or the team thought at the end of the season that KU was going to win it all. It was as close to a miracle run as any team has had to a title. I loved it. We all did, but they were not a powerhouse. Who cares where they were ranked preseason? 6 teams ranked in the top 25 last year did not even make the tournament.

Bob Bailey 6 years, 11 months ago

Reeves is right! But you'll never get a better coach than Self; Very very few are marginally better, it wouldn't take one hand to count them. Stick with what we've got and hope for philosophical improvement.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

Bob, I don't completely disagree. HCBS is one the best coaches at the college level. But I have to ask myself--would Fred Hoiberg use Ellis as a back-to-the-basket player, or use him like George Niang as a matchup nightmare? Would Coach K, if he didn't have a low post scorer, still use the same philosophy and expect the same result? Both coaches understand offense WAY better than HCBS. They understand the game is easier when you spread the floor and play match-ups.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Are you saying that Ellis and Niang are the same skill set? I hope not because that would be idiotic.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

Are you saying that Ellis and Niang have the same parents? I hope not.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

So you just came here to post nonsense? That clears that up.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

I tend to respond to non-comments, with non-comments. It says a lot about your purpose here when you purposely mischaracterize my comment, so you can then insult me . If you want to have a real discussion, I am happy to oblige.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

I've seen your comments on this story. If that's your concept of a conversation you would need to be obliging to find a partner. I'm not interested in conversing at that type of comment, only pointing out the absurdity.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

Jay, a conversation is a back and forth discussion. It isn't calling someone a name, or claiming they are an "idiot" or "absurd" and run away claiming victory. Its your choice how you want to act.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

I'll bite. You're the one that suggested Self is less capable than Hoiberg because Hoiberg would use Ellis like Niang. Were you or were you not implying that they have the same skill set, your infantile reply not withstanding? You suggested that Coach K would abandon Ellis as an interior option. Is it Ellis' .521 FG% or 15 PPG that make you certain of this? Sorry. You've done much more to prove you know nothing than anyone else can in mentioning it. I do admire your willingness to humiliate yourself over and over.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

Jay, your comments reveal a lot about you—“infantile reply;” “I admire your willingness to humiliate yourself over and over. ” You can still make your arguments without resorting to such ridiculous behavior. If you continue this type of ridiculous behavior , I see no reason in attempting an adult conversation.

(1) I did not say or imply HCBS is less capable than Hoiberg. Although I think Hoiberg is a superior offensive coach. (2) I was not implying that Ellis and Niang have the same skill set. Although they both can create matchup problems. (3) I did suggest Coach K might abandon Ellis as an interior option. Ellis’ FG% and PPG don’t tell the tale of how he performs near the basket against bigger defenders. Ellis is a gifted scorer, but his strength is better used as a match-up problem, rather than just a low post scorer.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

If you weren't making those points, what were your points? Why mention Ellis and Niang? Jared....you've begun to argue with yourself. You have at least a 50/50 shot. That's your best case scenario...

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

I am sorry that English is not your first language, but I cannot continue to have a discussion with you because of your trollish behavior.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Translation- You have no clue, can't defend your absurd comments and suddenly realized how foolish you look. English isn't my first language? Wow. You're really humiliating yourself.

Great decision. Come back when you can make sense.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

Jay, I don't feed trolls (feel free to have the last word).

Scott Smetana 6 years, 11 months ago

I thought last year's team was the weakest in the Self area. How spoiled we've become.

This year our 1-4 positions are improved, especially if Korean Wayne keeps showing up. However, it so stinks we don't have a center to anchor this team. If we did, I'd say we'd be the best team in the country. I'd love to have Lucas prove me wrong, but he's currently almost worthless on offense. I'd like to see Mick get some more minutes.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

Scott, we should have high expectations, as fans of Kansas Basketball, which is second to none in basketball tradition. The team last year was bad, by our standards. This year is essentially the same team (slightly improved). One would hope that a great coach would realize that coaching the same team the same way will yield the same (or similar) results. That is why I am frustrated, b/c HCBS doesn't seem to have learned from last year.

Brett McCabe 6 years, 11 months ago

Except, freshmen generally improve as sophomores. It's not the same team, it's better.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

I agree, that is why I said "essentially the same team (slightly improved)." But the same bad coaching philosophy with the same players (slightly improved) won't change the result (more than slightly). I don't know about you, but a slight improvement in the tournament is not satisfactory.

Scott Smetana 6 years, 11 months ago

I felt the same way last year as I saw us repeatedly try to pound the ball down low only to get stuffed repeatedly. i'm excited to see Bill use the 3 ball and dribble penetration so far more this year. If only we could have someone AVERAGE down low on offense. Our only hope (and the future of this year) relies on Lucas or Mick. I'm putting my money on Mick.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

I'm pretty sure that all my various English teachers would agree that Keegan was discussing the shifting rankings in College Basketball which have Kansas near the top, the ebb and flow of Kansas, and other team's play and the lack of a standout #1 team this season.

It's hard to say which is more amusing. 1) that Keegan would take up yet another column to state the obvious. 2) that so many of the regular Chicken Littles would show up and actually argue with Keegs, preferring to believe that the Jayhawk sky is falling........

Bob Thompson 6 years, 11 months ago

We have way too many Chicken Littles KU is basket ball....

James Smith 6 years, 11 months ago

Maybe too many Bob Thompson’s or Jay Scott’s? Many of us just see the continuing trends with BS basketball and sad that we don’t have a right to vent our frustrations.

Does Graham warrant 30 plus minutes of playing time? 12 shots to get 12 points? He did make a couple of positive plays but would rather see us go bigger. Lucus and Traylor continue to be an offensive liability and not sure why Hunter continues to ride the bench. He can’t do any worse than those guys.

BS just struggles to make adjustments or better yet play to the strengths of his players. I love Ellis and awesome to see him play all four years but he will never make at the next level in the low post. He does not and surprisingly how much press Huddy gets he never could play effectively above the rim.

We will probably have another blowout win this week on our home court as usual and everyone will be thinking how great we are but we have issues and with Greene coming back soon we will more playing time issues. Does not surprise me that we are #2 in one pole and #7 in the other.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Is part of "Many of us just see the continuing trends with BS basketball" the 12 straight conference titles and the #2 ranking today?

James. You're a Chicken Little. Thanks for validating that there are many.

James Smith 6 years, 11 months ago

Fools gold Jay. Just keep the blinders on.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

You must be a KState ore Mizzou troII to be so angry about success.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Was childishness your best replacement for insight... You and Jared must be in the same classes at school.

John Boyle 6 years, 11 months ago

But the sky is falling, I caught some of it in a bottle and have it stored in my basement as proof.

Allin Herring 6 years, 11 months ago

Well the sky may not be falling but it is pretty cloudy and Windy with chance of tornado"s if we continue to blow large leads and do not use the talent we have properly.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

Jay, do you come on here just to use name-calling tactics and straw-man arguments to avoid having a real discussion, because you can't support/defend your position?

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Jared. Insulting someone is no substitute for being able to express valid thoughts.

Perhaps you should refrain from sharing your ideas in public if you can't provide ideas that make sense and aren't able to see them revealed as such.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

Jay, I agree that insulting someone is no substitute for being able to express valid thoughts. Yet only one of us has tried to insult others—“Chicken Littles.”

Declaring victory and running away again? If you have a specific disagreement, let’s discuss the specifics like rational adults. I admit that I may be completely wrong, but you have yet to provide a rational argument to explain why.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Thanks for admitting that you fit the Chicken Little description. I didn't want to have to embarrass you personally.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

Jay, I am almost totally speechless at the trollish behavior you are exhibiting. You have made it clear that you are incapable of having a rational adult conversation.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Jared...You're probably a nice guy. Do yourself a favor and skulk away. You're making a fool of yourself. If you want to bash Self, be willing to back it up. Your comments are so easily mocked and discredited that it isn't really challenging. The only fun is awaiting your next feeble attempt to insult your way out. I'm happy to give you a podium to humiliate yourself. Show some self control and decline.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Do you want to take up Jared's positions or do you support him trying to substitute insults for insight? I'm happy to give you the same forum to humiliate yourself Jimmy.

David Robinett 6 years, 11 months ago

I have an idea. How about we don't react to each other when we perceive an insult from another poster? Be the bigger guy. A response only perpetuates more insults and back and forth with the rest of us do not wish to read.

Bill McGovern 6 years, 11 months ago

Denzel Valentine is easily the best player in the country right now, in terms of experience and how he is currently playing. Michigan State will be a Final Four contender as long as he is healthy. That being said, we are a different team with Diallo and I think we would have won that game against MSU if he was available at the time. He will continue to get better and will be a huge part of our defense, while contributing some offense.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

Bill, I think we were/are the better team, and showed it most of the game, but got out-coached the final minutes. Diallo might make a difference in the future, but I seriously doubt HCBS would have played Diallo when the game was close, so early in the season (just like against Harvard).

Bill McGovern 6 years, 11 months ago

I think Diallo could have changed the result of that game with his defense on Valentine, but who knows. I agree we are the better team, but Valentine is a super star.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 11 months ago

David, I agree. We should avoid feeding trolls. I am new here so I don't know who all the trolls are yet. I enjoy a good debate/discussion, so I enjoy the back and forth. I give people the benefit of the doubt and will respond after the first insult, assuming it is an emotional attempt to have a discussion. But when it is clear someone's primary method of communication is name-calling, mischaracterizing others statements, declaring victory and running away without backing up their insults with evidence, they don't deserve a response. I agree--Don't feed the trolls.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Jared, Your thinly veiled attempt to add more insults is nearly, but not quite the low point of your ongoing babble. The simple reality is that your comments bashing Self have been shown as baseless and idiotic. You've been given that benefit of the doubt as a person and only your ideas mocked. Your consistent and only response? Insults, comments about troIIing and infantile behavior. You obviously lack the maturity to take your humiliation like a man. You must be a child. Go wash up for dinner.

John Fitzgerald 6 years, 11 months ago

Kansas, Michigan St., UNC, & Butler are my Final Four predictions this year. And only one of them will be a number 1 seed.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Only one of KU, UNC and MSU as 1 seeds? That's a bold prediction.

John Fitzgerald 6 years, 11 months ago

I know. I have the balls to be bold. Or stupidity. One of those.

Chad Smith 6 years, 11 months ago

I don't understand nor think its appropriate to go "panic-mode" or anything remotely close. We're still a top team. The talent gap is not nearly as wide as it used to be. Harvard is no slouch, we might even see them in the NCAA tournament.

Diallo like Self has said, his true consistent impact will not be evident until conference crunch time. Let the team grow and develop. We've lost one game to a very good team who we were beating for a majority of the game. They played clutch and won. We could have easily won that game.

I know standards are high, but you can't beat every non-con opponent by 25. And whoever says don't get Perry Ellis the ball is nuts. Yes he is a matchup player. But I like him in a matchup 99% of the time. We do need to spread the floor more. Keep shooting like we know we can.

Team is fine, still growing into itself this season. I'm very excited, not down on them at all. Playing SDSU on the road is a great measure for our team, see what we really are. Rock Chalk!

Humpy Helsel 6 years, 11 months ago

Tom, sorry, but we are addicts. KU basketball addicts. Without fulfilled lives. This is our dope. We get drunk on the team one game and we can't get enough. Then, we drink too much, throw up, are hung over, and our lives temporarily have no meaning. What do we do? We swear off of the high and claim we are done with the dope. We are getting clean and sober, and then, we sneak a peak at the schedule and see when we can get our next fix. Whew! Can't wait until Wednesday night to see what happens. Maybe this high will be a good high! Oh, crap! Forget clean and sober. "Let's get high!"

Rodney Crain 6 years, 11 months ago

Fool's Gold = KU ranked number 2 in the country.

Jay Scott 6 years, 11 months ago

Perhaps you should send your posts on this site as evidence of your superior basketball insight to all the national media outlets. Undoubtedly you would be hired at a respected publication or broadcaster and your votes would be taken in these polls....... Or not.

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