Wednesday, April 29, 2015


Column: Addition makes Kansas Final Four contender

Our Savior New American's Cheick Diallo #13 in action against Rise Academy (PA) during their high school basketball game in Centereach, NY on Thursday, January 15, 2015. Our Savior won the game.

Our Savior New American's Cheick Diallo #13 in action against Rise Academy (PA) during their high school basketball game in Centereach, NY on Thursday, January 15, 2015. Our Savior won the game.


Nearly every talent evaluator who watches Cheick Diallo comes away with reports that go something like: Runs rim to rim with excellent speed and passion. Super high motor. Explosive leaper. Potential to become a decent shot-blocker. Physical. Strong rebounder at both ends. Powerful. Raw offensive skills keep him from being a guy around whom a team would want to build its offense.

Translation: About as close to a perfect complement to Perry Ellis as an on-the-raw-side freshman college basketball player a coaching staff could hope to recruit.

By bringing Diallo into the program, Kansas University basketball coach Bill Self and his staff have given Ellis the final piece of what he needs to play like the first-team All-American he could become as a senior.

Diallo doesn’t need to earn All-Big 12 honors ­­to become a difference-maker for a Jayhawks roster that figures to bring so much more maturity, balance and chemistry than the squad that Wichita State bounced from the tournament in the Round of 32.

Look at it this way: Even if Diallo and forward Carlton Bragg don’t bring more than departed one-and-done players Cliff Alexander and Kelly Oubre, everyone else on the roster is one year older. That means a more developed body and basketball brain, a better idea of what to expect, a better feel for what playing hard means and greater knowledge of what isn’t good enough to get it done in the NCAA Tournament.

Devonté Graham figures to improve even more than most making the leap from freshman to sophomore season because he’s so smart and so humble. Graham’s growth will enable him to handle the point for more minutes, which means Frank Mason can flourish as a scorer playing much of his time off the ball.

Given the natural feel Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk has for basketball and given the difference the physical maturation because of more time in the weight room and aging from 17 to 18, it’s easy to project significant improvement and starter’s minutes for the Ukrainian sensation. Wayne Selden Jr.’s sophomore slump isn’t likely to extend into his junior year. Barring a setback, Brannen Greene will be ready for the season. If he can mature enough to avoid doing whatever has caused his suspensions and can shoot more like he did in his first 24 games (.523 from three) than in his last 11 (.176 from three), he’ll bring a dimension that gives the other four men on the court more room to operate.

In the frontcourt, Bragg can spell Ellis, even play alongside him here and there against smaller lineups. Hunter Mickelson’s shot-blocking, Jamari Traylor’s energy and Landen Lucas’ rebounding prowess will come in handy when Diallo needs a rest or encounters foul trouble.

Mix in the extra practices allowed in the summer because of the overseas trip, plus the exhibition games at Sprint Center and the World University Games competition in Korea, and the team chemistry that never quite took root this past season ought to develop early and get stronger as the season progresses.

Kansas shapes up as a preseason top-five pick and therefore a legitimate Final Four contender.

As do most highly regarded recruits, Diallo likely views himself as a one-and-done player, but NBA scouts view him more as a player who will need to refine his skills, as did Thomas Robinson during his three-year stay at Kansas. That makes Diallo an even more significant recruit.

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Rodney Crain 7 years, 3 months ago

One of the best recruits KU has had in recent memory. His defense is the key to him getting on the floor early for us. His offense will keep him there!

We need to fill out the class still, but this was a huge player for us.

Welcome Mr. Diallo!

Benz Junque 7 years, 3 months ago

What I like about the Diallo signing is that effort and intensity are contagious and Diallo plays with TONS of both. Guys around him will step it up when they see him going after every loose ball rebound.

If Kansas can land Jaylen Brown and get his relentless driving to the rim on the roster they will be stocked and ready for a special season. Brown plays with the relentless drive that Selden NEEDS to play with and I am hoping that having Brown will spur Selden to step up his game to match.

Hopefully we hear about Brown in the next few days.

Arthur Ankeney 7 years, 3 months ago

Best recruits KU has had in recent memory? I remember a young fellow named Wiggins that was pretty good.

RJ King 7 years, 3 months ago

He did say, "ONE of the best . . . " That could be one of three, one of five, one of twenty-five . . .

Benz Junque 7 years, 3 months ago

Or maybe he has really bad memory and can only remember one offseason...

Steve Zimmerman 7 years, 3 months ago

Great news for KU nation! Watching Diallo play against smaller boys, he looks definitely like a great rim protector, rebounder, etc. Against college dudes? Let's hope he'll dominate, as well.'ll be interesting if coach Self is really going to use him as a starter (if that's what Diallo expected as immediate PT) on a regular basis.

Rich Hetherington 7 years, 3 months ago

I would think not, at least not initially. He said he'll have a chance to earn PT right away, and we can all assume he'll get PT. I'm just not sure it won't be off the bench at least until he's proven to Self that he's starter material.

Alex Resnik 7 years, 3 months ago

I'm with you Rich. I think Landon or Jamari start the first 10-12 games and if Diallo keeps his motor running and doing things right, Self will have a hard time keeping him out of the starting line-up

Chris Shaw 7 years, 3 months ago

I sure hope Self doesn't screw around with Diallo and BRAGG like he did with Cliff. But I'm sure Lucas will get the job early next season and then Diallo will fill in.

I've viewed Diallo as a Jameel McKay type player/comparison. I also saw someone if you are looking for an NBA comparison say he has a Kenneth Faried type of profile which i tbought was encouraging.

All I know is that Self has Diallo, BRAGG, Lucas, Mickelson, and Traylor to compliment Perry next year. If you can't find the right combination early next season or develop the plan of the look you want heading into the NCAA's...that will be a major head scratcher.

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

How exactly did Self "screw around" with Cliff again?

Allison Steen 7 years, 3 months ago

It was Cliff's doing that kept him off the court/with limited minutes. It was his mother's fault for keeping him off the court completely. Self is not to blame.

Benz Junque 7 years, 3 months ago

Self does not like to play guys that cannot play defense. His history has been consistent in that regard. And anyone who watched Cliff try to play defense knows THAT is what kept him off the floor last year. Self wasn't "messing with" Cliff. Self was trying to win games and didn't trust Cliff's defense enough.

I am 100% confident that Diallo will be able to play defense well enough to play and play a lot right away. He has a relentless motor, great foot speed and great instinct for where he needs to be. All areas where Cliff struggled last season.

Suzi Marshall 7 years, 3 months ago

Alexander had a heck of a problem learning how to run offense.

Benz Junque 7 years, 3 months ago

Alexander had a heck of a problem learning.

Chris Shaw 7 years, 3 months ago

All I know is that a sophomore BRAGG, soph Diallo, junior graham, junior SVI, senior Selden, senior Mason, senior greene, senior Lucas sprinkled wih another frosh or two = 2017 NCAA champs.

Joe Ross 7 years, 3 months ago

I usually agree with you, but "soph Diallo" is a contradiction in terms.

Doug Longstaff 7 years, 3 months ago

QUESTION.....we know that Cheick is not eligible to represent the USA in the University Games. But does anyone know if he'll be allowed to practice with the team as they prepare? Would be great for him to at least get some reps this summer with the whole team together.

Joe Ross 7 years, 3 months ago

Ask Benton Smith. He'll get your question answered.

Arthur Ankeney 7 years, 3 months ago

Same goes for Svi. Since the university is paying for it, I would hope KU is willing to fork over the extra cash for them to get in the extra practices and be with their teammates.

Chris Oestreich 7 years, 3 months ago

Tom, does anyone know if Diallo can practice with the team prior to the tournament this summer? Is it possible he can play in the two exhibition games?

Suzi Marshall 7 years, 3 months ago

For all the reasons stated in this article, the coming season is shaping up to be one of Self's best ever, including the NC year. How we preform in the NCAA Tournament, which is a gambler's paradise, is never easy to predict. The Big 12, which will be incredibly good next season with so many key players returning to ISU, OU, OSU, BU, UT etc,, should be our primary season focus for number XII.

Above all other reasons, the degree of success for the '15-'16 team will be on Perry Ellis. Ellis is a Dekker type player that can explode for a huge All-American season and land in the NBA lottery.

My wildest fantasy for '15-'16 could materialize:

  1. Big XII Champs...Number XII

  2. NCAA Tournament Champs ....Number IV

  3. Perry Ellis .... 1st Team Consensus All-American...ends his Kansas career as a top 10 scorer....jersey gets hung in rafters.

  4. Huge improvements from Svi, Graham and Selden. Svi and Selden join Ellis and Diallo in the first round of the NBA Draft.

  5. A strong +30 win season, which includes a +20 point win in AFH over KY. A nice welcome back to AFH for Cal. Remember November '14 and Nolan Cromwell's wife!!!

The new BBall dorms coupled with the DeBruce Center for the Rules, Bill Self's leadership, and an exciting team could set the stage for a special era of Kansas dominance similar to Wooden's UCLA

As Kansas fans, we should all be incredibly excited what could be upon all of us.

Allison Steen 7 years, 3 months ago

All spot on, except I don't think there's anything Ellis could do to become a lottery...first round, absolutely. I could be wrong though!

Eliott Reeder 7 years, 3 months ago

The only way that happens is if Perry gets quite a few minutes at the 3, which MAY happen, but I will be surprised....

Benz Junque 7 years, 3 months ago

I was good right up until "a special era of Kansas dominance similar to Wooden's UCLA". That will never happen again. EVER.

But I 100% agree with all of the rest and feel that it is all very attainable accomplishments, especially if we are able to land Brown or Mack.

Suzi Marshall 7 years, 3 months ago

The operative word is ...."similar" not the same. A better expression would be "relatively similar." Nevertheless, as incredible as it may seem, we could be heading into a Golden Era for Kansas Basketball led by Bill Self.

Tracy Atherton 7 years, 3 months ago

Geez, I thought we already were experiencing a KU Golden Era of Kansas Basketball- Brown, Williams, Self. Ouch, gave away my age.

Suzi Marshall 7 years, 3 months ago

We are and it seems like we are about to take a hyper step into a brave new world.

Tracy Atherton 7 years, 3 months ago

That would be a sight to behold. I thought watching Danny Manning play 4 years straight was the mecca, but I hope you are spot on. Self has the perfect coaching blend: recruiter, psychologist, mentor, smash mouth toughness, high BB IQ shaped by traditional mentors before him (Iba, Sutton, Brown). When the game is on the line, Self is at his best; he gets that competitive grin on his face that just makes you proud.

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

It's crow eating time!!!

Suzi Marshall 4/9/2015 Recruiting - It's becoming clear that Self will miss on all his outstanding HS recruiting prospects.

Ben Simonett 4/10/2015 Yup. and seeing as how there are very few lower ranked recruits yet unsigned its looking more and more likely this is going to be another miss on the recruiting trail

Rodney Crain 4/23/2015 A lot folks on here want to give us a pass for some reason, and live in the past. It is hard look past those 3 schools and just dismiss our weak position during the process the last year in recruiting. We are in a bad spot right now.

(to be fair, I could fill this whole page with RC's misguided posts....)

Ben Simonett 4/26/2015 I'm happy to see that many more people are starting to accept the fact that the recruiting isn't going very well.

Ryan Zimmerman 04/27/2015 As far as top recruits, I'm afraid Bragg is it this year gentlemen...

Robert Brock 04/28/2015 Self will have to consider making some changes to his staff. Recruiting is not going well.

Rodney Crain 4/28/2015 We have 4 open scholarships and Bragg takes one. No one else has bitten. Let's face facts we have not done a good job this year. The smart play was to grab a 4 star or two ranked in the top 50, and roll the dice with one 5 star, to go with Bragg.

And there's more on the way...The internet never forgets! ;)

Allison Steen 7 years, 3 months ago

I was hoping someone would do this. Haha thanks!

Rodney Crain 7 years, 3 months ago

Tom proves it once again. He would rather pick on posters personally than come up with an original thought.

Almost every single one of these at the time valid opinions on our program. Now that something has changed, thank you Mr. Diallo, he wants to point out that for some reason something valid before now needs to be forced down our throats like it was wrong to have a opinion. So typical and small Tom.

It just goes to show you how simple and immature he can be. I actually was expecting this from you Tom, just did not think you were going to be foolish enough to do it.

Click on his name, review his comments. You will find very few that add something to the discussion, he is only concerned with trying to act like he is superior for some reason. I think we know why Tom, at least I do.

Disappointing Tom. Answer me this why did you not disagree with us when we posted these? You don't, because having an adult conversation is beyond you. It is as simple as that.

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

How did that whole "KU will be an 8 seed at best" thing work out, RC?

It's simple. If you say something silly, be prepared to have it thrown back in your face when it is PROVEN to be silly. It's how life works.

Sure, it'd be easier for a lot of people if there were no consequences. But how would they ever learn?

It's not rocket surgery.

Glen Miller 7 years, 3 months ago

It must be hard work being so bitter. He called many out for their doomsday predictions. You thought it prudent to trash our recruiting, he thought it prudent to point out you were wrong...... you can have your opinions and he should be able to as well. Seems to me you are the one that spends all your time researching how to be a debbie downer in all these the world is ending type posts you put on here. I thought it was AWESOME that he called you people out. It's easy to be an armchair QB all the time, I certainly am not free of some myself..... whats hard is for you to admit your wrong and allow anyone else to have a say apparently. I've never met someone as bitter about something that absolutely has zero bearing on the well being of you and your family. Relax man, it's just a game... it's not the end of the world if we don't land a recruit you want or win every game, every season. This is for our entertainment and for these kids to prepare for the NBA or life in general. Nothing more, nothing less. We ALL forget that from time to time.

Benz Junque 7 years, 3 months ago

Rodney, you might be one of the most condescending a$$es I have ever had the misfortune of crossing paths with on any message board. Every comment you make is valid and appropriate in your own mind for no other reason than because you made them and they seemed valid and appropriate to you.

The fact that people have a running checklist in their heads of all the overreactions you have made on here means that it is a common occurrence. The fact that so many people want to point them out to you means that you have treated a lot of people on here poorly and they are eager to return the favor.

Just because you think your jerk behavior is valid and appropriate doesn't mean it is. I have never met a jerk who actually thinks he's a jerk. It's doesn't mean they weren't jerks.

Eliott Reeder 7 years, 3 months ago

I agree. Rodney Crain's negativity is over-the-top. And he spends so much time whining about how everyone's picking on him. And then he replies to their reply saying he's not going to reply any more and doesn't have time for their crap... and then he whines and replies a couple more times.

Tim Gershon 7 years, 3 months ago

This is a great pickup for us without a doubt, but I'm going to temper my expectations of Diallo and Bragg. Everything that's said about Diallo is the same things that were said about Cliff Alexander (motor, shotblocking, etc...) and he's only 1 inch taller. That being said my always optimistic self is incredibly excited for next years team.

Separately, Rodney Crain is entitled to his opinions no matter how wrong they are, and they are always always always wrong.

Adam Tyler 7 years, 3 months ago

This is the greatest post of all time!

Keep em coming Tom!

Hold them accountable for their ridiculously premature statements.

Robert Brock 7 years, 3 months ago

I am delighted that we reeled in Diallo but it doesn't change the fact that KU's perimeter is under-skilled and has trouble scoring for long stretches. Part of the problem is due to recruiting misses and it will take time - and perhaps different recruiting staff - to solve the problem. Wichita State ripped our perimeter players apart (Wayne Selden was held completely scoreless). We can do better and can get into the recruiting process EARLIER. Townsend and Roberts seem to be resourceful. Howard ("Snacks") - jury is out.

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

Lesson learned: When you miss your mark...move the target.

Mark Lindrud 7 years, 3 months ago

When you miss your mark, get a heat seeking missile and fire away at the dang thing until you blow it up! Bwahaha.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 3 months ago

How much earlier do you want KU to start recruiting kids? KU's already got offers out on 2017 kids and has been scouting 2018 kids at AAU tournaments and will start scouting 2019 kids this summer during the AAU circuits.

The only thing in your post that's worth looking at is Howard. He made his name at A&M under Billy Gillispie and once he left Gillispie after his failure at Kentucky, he went to Illinois and didn't do much there to prevent their decline under Weber. I think Howard is overrated and KU would be better off with someone else, especially with the baggage (not an honest person) he now has on the recruiting trail.

Mark Lindrud 7 years, 3 months ago

Lebron's kid is 10 I think, we should go after him now!

Joe Ross 7 years, 3 months ago

There are some creative ways to "recruit" young without actually recruiting specific targets. Kids that show promise could be targeted for recruiting later. And I have zero problem with that.

Suzi Marshall 7 years, 3 months ago

I love eating crow when it comes to underestimating Bill Self and Kansas Basketball!

Landing Diallo and anyone else that may follow represents an insightful view into Self's personality because back on April 9, guys like Diallo and Brown were definitely moving away from Kansas.

RJ King 7 years, 3 months ago

Suzi - You often get flak because you put your knowledge and opinions out there boldly and matter-of-factly. I agree with you at times, and disagree at others. Occasionally you speak with a hint of superiority - as though you have an insider's perspective that the rest of us do not. (What do I know . . . maybe you do!)

I love that you are a straight-shooter. No BS. You stand by your statements, and give a, "my bad" as needed. Confidence threatens those who don't have it.

Best of all, you post without digressing into petty, mean-spirited, immature comments. You are honest, accountable, and spark debate. Thank you for keeping it classy.

Eliott Reeder 7 years, 3 months ago

Suzi is a great poster, regardless of her political views... ;) And her response above about loving to eat crow is a perfect example. Suzi very obviously loves JAYHAWK SPORTS, and wants nothing more than to see them succeed. A lot of others come around here just to troll each other and start fights just to stave off the boredom. That's what annoys me...

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

I also like your posts, Suzi, so please don't think I'm lumping you in with the trolls or contrarians. But even if the recruits in question were "definitely moving away from KANSAS" (an assessment I don't necessarily agree with, but that's fine), recruiting is a marathon, not a sprint, which was why I was surprised at your comment at the time. Saying that "it's clear Self will miss" just seemed to be ignoring the fact that he has a fantastic records of late pushes/late signings.


Scott Smetana 7 years, 3 months ago

Nice Work Tom! I ran a similar post back in 2008 when we lost at OSU. The sky was falling. Those were the days of Oakville, Jaybate, Melrank, etc.

Jay Hawk 7 years, 3 months ago

Melrank is still here :) I just don't like the new posting rules . . .

Ben Simonett 7 years, 3 months ago

Ok. I'm going to explain some basic logic to you. saying something is "more and ore likely" is not saying it is definitive. on 4/10 the odds of having a good class were indeed decreasing daily, that doesnt mean there was 0 chance of a good class, it means the chances are getting smaller, which they were.

Recruiting isnt going well. the staff just had an entire class come down to ONE prospect signing in late spring. they got lucky, thats all.

just because you won the lottery, doesnt mean buying that lottery ticket was a sound retirement strategy.

is the diallo signing a good thing? yes of course

does it change the fact that if he didn't sign the class would have been a disaster? no

does it change the fact that needing one recruit to sign in late spring to avoid a disastrous class is a problematic recruiting situation? no

no crow eating is required. my argument is still valid

Ben Simonett 7 years, 3 months ago

how is the analogy wrong. both depending on winning a game of chance to secure retirement and depending on getting a commitment from a single recruit to avoid a terrible class are the same principle.

the reuslts are irrevlevant, bot actions were a huge gamble.

same principle applies to mario's shot/reesing throw. just because mario made the shot doesnt change the fact that it would have been much better to just be up 10 in the last seconds of the game instead of having to rely on a miracle.

David Lara 7 years, 3 months ago

Don't like leaving things up to chance, huh? I suggest you just stay away from anything related to recruiting. Getting a high school kid to see what's best for him is nothing but a gamble so the smart thing would be, knowing that you can't stand the very nature of it, to find interests elsewhere.

Alex Resnik 7 years, 3 months ago

Ben- Buying a powerball ticket takes 2 minutes. Self and staff had been working on Diallo for years. Your comparison would be accurate if Self and staff only had recruited Diallo for 2 minutes.

Arthur Ankeney 7 years, 3 months ago

I'm very confused. This is the third straight season with 2+ McD's all americans. This is by far the BEST period of recruiting in KU basketball history. What logic says recruiting isn't going well in general? Even without Diallo, we had 1 great recruit in a season where we're returning 4 starters. We really only needed 1. How is that "disastrous?" Plus you can add in the fact that for much of the season our scholarship and playing time was really up in the air. Oubre didn't blossom right away and Alexander never blossomed. If it hadn't been for his legal issues I think he would be back.

Ben Simonett 7 years, 3 months ago

Its no longer disastrous because the staff lucked out and got the one guy late they needed to avoid the disasster.

my argument was, and still is, that being a position that is completely dependent on the decision of one recruit to ensure your overall class isn't terrible is not a good thing. Just because the staff got the one thing it needed to avoid a disastrous class doesnt make the situation they were in any less troublesome.

the overall logic before the diallo signing was that IF diallo didnt sign the '15 class would have been terrible, and IF the '15 class was terrible that would have established a trend that 4 out of the last 6 seasons the recruiting class was terrible.

obviously diallos signing breaks that trend. but it doesn't make that reasoning before his signing incorrect

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

To say that "recruiting is not going well" with after back to back years of at least two elite recruits, another one already in the bag this year and more seriously considering KU (and Bill's not done yet) was just flat wrong, Ben.

Flat. Wrong.

I know it's not easy to eat it...maybe have a beer from Free State to help wash it down! :)

Ben Simonett 7 years, 3 months ago

You cant just say my analysis is wrong, you need to prove it.

if it not true that the entire class for this year just came down to one recruiting signing in the late spring?

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

It is not true, that is correct. I am sorry you struggle with understanding the complexities of recruiting, but there is no way to prove something that doesn't exist.

Ben Simonett 7 years, 3 months ago

"I am sorry you struggle with understanding the complexities of recruiting"

that is not an argument. that's a defense mechanism. since you cant rebut my argument you are trying to marginalize me in your own conciseness so you don't have to actually confront the idea i put forth. if i truly don't understand the complexities of recruiting. prove it.

otherwise prove that the assertions that if diallo wasnt signed the '15 class would not have been ranked as highly as the average class ranking under the bill self regime. and that if the '15 class wasnt ranked as highly as the historical average, 4 out of the last 6 classes would have been ranked below the historical average? if you can not show that either of those assertions are 100% false, you have not proven me wrong

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

Again, you do not understand, Ben. You said "recruiting is not going well" without any real idea how well recruiting was going. KU had already signed a HS AA and were on the short list for others and other high level recruits. Therefore, you were wrong. It's just that simple.

If you care to comment on these things, you must be prepared to eat crow when your foolish and premature statements are proven to be just that. I'm sorry that I can't explain this to your satisfaction, but everyone else seems to understand it just fine. Good luck!

Mark Lindrud 7 years, 3 months ago

Ben, why can't you just say you eat crow and move on. Arguing only validates the lack of respect people are more and more having with people who can't admit they were wrong.

Self finds a way to strengthen his recruiting class in the end. We as fans just get nervous when we know we want this team to succeed, and frustration can sometimes come from that, and that is called being human. Admitting you were wrong, is okay, and honestly the discussion would not continue like it is now.

I know I was getting concerned and even expressed that maybe changes needed to be made. I still am not sure about keeping Howard around, and feel a fresh face on the bench with Self could help.

Ben Simonett 7 years, 3 months ago

I will not admit my analysis was incorrect until someone can indicate the flaw in the reasoning i used.

When you put forth an argument that says "the probability of an certain outcome is low". even if that outcome occurs, it doesn't disprove the argument that there was a very small chance it would occur.

If you can point to any post in which i said they was no chance Diallo would sign and no chance the recruiting class wasn't poor then i would be undoubtly proven wrong at this point. but i have never put forth an argument like that

David Lara 7 years, 3 months ago

Ok, I'm going to explain some basic logic to YOU. Trying to force "logic" when considering the topic of college basketball recruiting displays a vast naivete' about the function of logic.

Any statement about how KU arrived at a "desperate" recruiting situation (for example having only X number of recruits and so many scholarships still open) requires knowledge of 1) an overall recruiting strategy, 2) how it factored into individual success or failure, AND 3) how it will play out on remaining recruits. Otherwise it has no basis in logic.

Any statement about the odds of KU landing this or that recruit require knowledge of a recruiting strategy specific to that recruit AND knowledge of what is important to that recruit. Otherwise it has no basis in logic.

You can dislike the current state of KU's recruiting class. You can worry about the possibility of it improving. BUT any comment about these topics is based on ASSUMPTION and SPECULATION, and is therefore OPINION, NOT LOGIC since the necessary information to establish anything rational is not present.

Recruiting is a matrix of the strategies of every school involved as well as the perceptions and desires of each individual recruit, which are not based on rational criteria. All you can work with is the final product of the recruiting classes that Bill Self has managed to compile in recent history, which have NEARLY ALL been among the best in the country. The problem most everyone on this forum has with you is this:

You insist on forcing logic--in order to assign a superiority to your doomsday point of view--into a sphere whose determining factors have no rational basis. This doesn't make you look smarter than the person you are debating. In fact, it does the exact opposite. And beating us over the head with it only magnifies the effect. Please stop calling your OPINION (which you are entitled to) a "logical" rationale. It is anything but.

RJ King 7 years, 3 months ago

Copy, Paste. Copy, Paste. Copy, Paste.

Ben Simonett 7 years, 3 months ago


if a recruit is listing one of 5 potential remaining schools versus listing one of 3 remaining potential schools. no understanding of the recruiting process is need to say that 1 out of 3 is better odds than 1 out of 5. I've also put for the premises used to support this argument. Analysis recruitng classes based on number of recruits signed, average ranking of signed recruits, and overall class ranking is an objective way to measure recruiting results. it may noe be the best way, and im happy to consider any alternatives you may want to put forth, but using rankings as a measuring stick is not assumption, its observation of fact

i dont understand the last point. the very basis of philisophy is putting forth logical arguments to assign superiority to your point of view. i've never stated my position is the ultimate truth, i am always open to counter arguments. i simply explain the logical reasoning behind my opinion to give others a chance to find fault in my reasoning. When they attempt a rebuttal that fails to address the direct reasoning put forth, like tom did here, i point out the strawman

most people simply state their opinion, with no explanation of how they have reached that conclusion because there is no logical reasoning put into that opinion, its simply wishful thinking. If anything, i am actually the least "superior" person on these forums because i provide all the amunition an opponent would need to rebut any argument i make because i am humble enough to accept the conclusion i reached may have been and error and am open to someone helping me realize this

the problem seems to arise when you put forth an arugment and the reasoning behind it that is contrary to ones own beliefs but unable to be rebutted. Rather than accepting the argument as valid people get emotional and result to ad hominem and fallacious reasoning to respond to me.

This post is a perfect example. its a typical appeal to vanity. you think you can win the debate by convincing the other posters who cant logically rebute me that they actually can because they are so smart and great. the only reason it appears they cant disprove my claims is because im some big evil arrogant guy who only uses intelligent discourse as a mask, its not actually thoughtful or putting forward sound reasoning,

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago


That's hilarious, because I had already kind of pictured you along the lines of Dwight from The Office. This solidifies my theory.

You have really talked yourself into a corner on this one, pal. One has to only look at your posts to see your modus operandi, so this will be brief, as I know you're just trolling again.

The bottom line here is that you don't understand recruiting so you should probably just stop commenting on it. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I'm really just trying to spare you further embarassment.

I'm sorry that on this occasion your statement that "recruiting is not going well", given Self's pattern in years past and recent success AND given he already had a McD AA signed at the time and was on the final list of several other high quality recruits was unsupportable then and downright hilarious now. Just take your medicine and move on.

Ben Simonett 7 years, 3 months ago

if i am dwight from the office it doesnt change the validity of my argument.

again, whether or not i understand recruiting does not prove or disprove the argument i put forth. if i truly don't understand recruiting the argument should be easily falsifiable. so falsify it!

stop calling me names are assertiig that i am dumb because i will just continue to come back and ask your you to disprove the argument. If you want me to go away. all you have to do if show my two claims are false

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

I have no idea how intelligent you are, Ben, and I have not called you names or asserted that you are dumb. I just think it's clear you do not understand recruiting, and THAT'S OK, man. Really, it is. Lots of people don't.

Michael Uphaus 7 years, 3 months ago

There is a fine line between being pessimistic and negative....

Ben Simonett 7 years, 3 months ago

exactly, pessimism based on observations of objective fact is all i have ever put forth on these forums. I never wanted KU to do poorly I've just been concerned that it appeared to me they would

Adam Tyler 7 years, 3 months ago

But you were wrong about the appearance of recruiting, correct?

David Lara 7 years, 3 months ago

Please state the "objective fact" that you in the very next sentence admit is nothing more than the APPEARANCE of the situation.

Ben Simonett 7 years, 3 months ago

appearance = personal interpretation of objective fact.

resulting to semantics to disprove an argument is a typical sophist approach. you need to do better then that

Chris Shaw 7 years, 3 months ago

"It was Cliff's doing that kept him off the court/with limited minutes. It was his mother's fault for keeping him off the court completely. Self is not to blame."

I don't believe that. There is a trend with Self and Frosh. I'm not a fan on how he handled Cliff or Oubre this past season especially the first 1/3 of the season.

Dont confuse Cliff's Mom's issues and him missing the final 25 percent of the season vs his limited PT at the beginning of the season.

Benz Junque 7 years, 3 months ago

Yes, there IS a trend with Self and frosh: if Self feels they are the best available option at both ends of the floor then he plays them from Day One. If he doesn't feel they are then he doesn't. Self's time at KU is FULL of freshmen that had started virtually every game of their careers. Wiggins, Selden, McLemore, Henry, Taylor etc...

If Self feels that Diallo is the best player available from Day One then he will start and he will play major minutes. And honestly, after Self admitted he probably made a mistake with Oubre, he will probably be more inclined to stick Diallo out there early even if Lucas is producing a little more just because he'll see that Diallo's development will be more important for next season than Lucas'.

Louis Kelso 7 years, 3 months ago

I love that Self makes his freshman earn their minutes.

Eliott Reeder 7 years, 3 months ago

There is a fine line here. It has been well-documented in books and articles that Self, in the past, has played a certain kind of tough-love game with many of his players (Russ Rob and Mario come immediately to mind, each of whom thought about quitting/transferring at some point in their careers). I think this (the tear them down and build them back up approach) worked well for him in the past, when he had a guaranteed 2-3 years to work with guys, but now he is dealing with 1-and-done kids and doesn't have time to pull it off. I think he tried tough-love with Oubre this year thinking he would have him for two years, but it didn't help that the mock drafts had Oubre pegged as a lottery pick despite his early season performance. I think Self may have finally realized he needs to change tactics and let these OAD guys swing for the fences from day one. We shall see...

RJ King 7 years, 3 months ago

Very astute observation. I'm all for the tough love approach, but the nuances between the 2-3 year projects and the OAD's didn't occur to me.

We have been in a "design build" phase these last few years of the OAD era. We all use whatever tools are in our box. Self is collecting some new ones that should help incorporate these studs into the plans.

Allison Steen 7 years, 3 months ago

I didn't confuse the two, I actually made it clear they were different. I said his performance kept him off/with limited minutes and then his mother kept him off completely. Self is well aware of what he is doing. Oubre was kept out at the beginning because he was not productive. In the end, that lit a fire under Oubre (mostly) and it didn't in Cliff. That is all on Cliff.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 3 months ago

So Cliff didn't have foul issues that forced him to the bemch? Bill Self himself said the reason Cliff didn't get more minutes or start earlier was because of his inability to not foul people.

Allison Steen 7 years, 3 months ago

In fact, he made that joke at the season banquet a few weeks ago.

Michael Haughey 7 years, 3 months ago

This is fabulous. I was extremely concerned about this next season, but this commit goes a long way. Not ready to hoist a banner, but KU is in a lot better position than a day ago.

Benz Junque 7 years, 3 months ago

After KU adds another elite wing in Brown or mack they are going to be LOADED.

Joe Joseph 7 years, 3 months ago

The Big XII may have been a good top-to-bottom league this past year, but it should be quite top-heavy this next year! Kansas, Oklahoma, and Iowa State should all be very good and probable top-ten teams in the country.

The bottom third of the league, however...

Keith Gellar 7 years, 3 months ago

yep..and both OU and ISU will flame out in the tourney! Maybe its time we give the ol' Big is the toughest conf and related topics a rest.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 7 years, 3 months ago

Oh joy, oh rapture unforeseen.......the cloudy sky is now serene!!!!! Just like about this time last year when, uh, what's his name, was going to resurrect the soggy performance of the KU basketball team in the national tournament.

Folks, the tenor of this article on the latest one year NBA candidate wonder is beginning to sound a bit lame. We have heard it all before.

Celebrate if you will, but frankly I am getting tired of this pre-pre-pre season orgy about the latest savior of the program. Time will tell, maybe this guy will do well and not be too concerned about getting injured for his NBA prospects. Maybe not.

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

Fred's back!

Thank you for the Oklahoma fan's perspective.

I know you have railed on the site before, and hilariously, but I've never understood what you expect them to say when KU signs a top recruit. That they're not as good as advertised? Should they say nothing at all? No one's calling Diallo a "savior", nor did they say that about Embiid, Oubre, Alexander or Wiggins. He just happens to be the best recruit in this class to fill the one glaring need KU had.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 7 years, 3 months ago

Hi Tom, glad to "dip my oar" into this issue. You know, it has always bothered me at all the "hoopla" (ouch!) generated by these pre pre pre season articles about the latest high school wonder that is supposed to be the next season. I am glad that you feel he will fill "one glaring need" in the KU team.

I do not see such stuff in the Norman Transcript (local news rag in Norman). But you need to remember that the two great religious icons in Norman are the bell tower at McFarland Methodist Church and the press box at Owen Stadium (football field) There are folks in Norman that did not realize (before Billy Tubbs) that they even made balls without "points" on the ends.

But all universities were founded to provide an education for their students so that as they go out in the "real world" (in this case after NBA glory (??)) and make their way in the real world.

As an Oklahoma football fan, I will continue to watch the progress of the KU basketball team, and when the spirit moves me, comment on this situation.

Hope you all are successful in the future tournaments, but this pre season ink seems a little premature to this old Okie.

Chad Durbin 7 years, 3 months ago

I will stand by my earlier post, "Don't count out HCBS in recruiting"! He has shown the ability to pull a recruit at the last minute ie; Wiggins, Svi (who was tracking him). These are just kids, and they make decisions based on alot of different things. There are still several others out there, Brown, Mack, maybe a Maker that may decide to come to KU. Mack as a long term project, and maybe Maker, who may not be eligible until December anyway? HCBS has alot of work to do to bring this squad together, but who else would you want as Head Coach? Not many of his caliber out there. Be happy that KU Nation wins and is still a blue blood, top 5 program.

Keith Gellar 7 years, 3 months ago

FF OR BUST! any thing less is utter complete failure!

Ryan Zimmerman 7 years, 3 months ago

ha, Thanks Tom Jones! I'm happy to eat proverbial crow on this stuff... so glad we got Diallo

Arthur Ankeney 7 years, 3 months ago

Just change your name and picture so nobody knows its you? ;)

Chris Shaw 7 years, 3 months ago

"I love that Self makes his freshman earn their minutes."

Within reason. The head games he plays is infuriating at times. He almost lost Oubre mentally for the season. He didn't but Oubre still flamed out in the post season much like Wiggins did in their only seasons at KU.

Explain to me how getting a combined 18 minutes in the two exhibitions and first game of the season (4 in the season opener) and then all of a sudden starting against Kentucky (playing very well I might add that entire game) and then getting reduced minutes and not starting the next 8/9 games is helping "Kansas" prepare for the postseason? It doesn't.

Oubre played fantastic during the Big 12 slate but when the games matter most and the competition level and stakes rose (post season play) Oubre reverted back instead of stepping up? Why? Because Self wants to Beat Florida in a meaningless regular season game and he doesn't think Oubre is ready in December? There are some games that are bigger than others during the regular season, but how are you gonna know what you have unless you let these "bluechipers" play during those so called bigger games so they can resemble that feeling when it matters most in the ncaa tourny.

And...what is the point of telling the media that Cliff is gonna start on a Saturday (I believe it was the game against Texas at AFH) andthen go back on that word because he didn't have a good practice on Friday the day before?

Yet....instead of letting the kid start his first collegiate game in the familiar confines of his glorified then decide he's ready to start on the road against TCU? Talk about missing the bar with mental games and motivation. What a complete letdown. And then cliff plays poorly the first two minutes and hardly plays the rest of the game.

I'm okay settin a standard but it's annoying in the manner in which Self goes about it my opinion. You can still give the kids minutes and get your point across so he can build upon something. If they are only gonna be here for a year then give them the sample size and variance of the minutes they need to allow them to get comfortable with the speed of the game.

Chris Shaw 7 years, 3 months ago

" No one's calling Diallo a "savior", nor did they say that about Embiid, Oubre, Alexander or Wiggins. He just happens to be the best recruit in this class to fill the one glaring need KU had".

Actually there were many many comments bya ridiculous kansas fans claiming that very thing. Especially with Wiggins and Embiid.

I don't get my hopes about frosh but I'm actually more excited about BRAGG and Diallo then I have about any recruits since Arthur and Collins.

This team is no where near in the same stratosphere as that 2008 squad...but the 2007 team had glaring holes that were filled by arthur and collins that made an Elite 8 run. I think of it in similar fashion because they all stayed and then won the title the following year (rush getting hurt helped).

I'm looking at this team in a similar fashion and hopefully they can do something similar this next season and in 2017 (hopefully everybody comes back except Perry because of graduation).

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

"Actually there were many many comments bya ridiculous kansas fans claiming that very thing. Especially with Wiggins and Embiid."

I (and he) was talking about the writers, not random fans.

Chris Shaw 7 years, 3 months ago

"Oubre started against Kentucky as a courtesy - to protect him from negative fallout on a nationally televised game.

Ombre started most of the Big 12 season. There's no excuse for not showing up against WSU. Don't get me wrong, I'm not hammering Kelly, he was a freshman, WSU had all the juice for that game, Perry was hurt, Cliff was out, etc. But one off-game doesn't mean that the coach mishandled the player."

That's actually an inaccurate assessment. Oubre's 7 of his last 8 regular season Big 12 games were great as he scored 12 or more points in each contest and had 2 double doubles. The only game he didn't play well was against TCU and he had zero points but that was because he was 0-3 from the field played less then 10 min and had the flu. I will give him a pass for that and that's understandable.

With that said, the two big 12 Tourny games as well as the two NCAA tournament games Oubre was well...let's say less than spectacular. He was 2-6, 1-3, 3-7, 3-9 for 9, 3,8, and 9 points and every statistical category under his name decreased significantly during those games. Games where I might add were more important. So, it wasn't just one game.

I do agree with you that the only reason oubre started against kentucky was because of exactly what you stated, "It was a Nationally televised game". That's my entire point. Imo it's a hypocrtical move in order to save face in front of a Viewing audience because you have this prize recruit. Then when the games are on Jayhawk tv and nobody is watching except kansas fans...Oubre can't get any run. Especially against Michigan state, florida, and the other non conference perceived big games.

Allison Steen 7 years, 3 months ago

Why don't you put these responses under the actual comment instead of quoting them? Quite annoying, and its a lot easier to follow if you RESPOND to a comment instead of adding another.

RJ King 7 years, 3 months ago

Don't know about Chris, but some cell phones do not have a function (button) to reply to the actual comment. That is likely why he references the original post.

It's also why I dislike attacks from the spelling/grammar police. Not everyone sits at a keyboard.

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

I'm all turned around now. Are you saying he played him too much? Too little? Are you blaming Self for Oubre shooting poorly in his last four games?

How exactly would you advise Coach Self to handle his players? I'm relatively "connected"...I can get your nuggets of wisdom to him.

Chris Shaw 7 years, 3 months ago

Because I'm on my phone. I don't have that option.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 3 months ago

Yeah you do, I'm posting on my phone as well. Go to the bottom of the page where all little icons are and click on the desktop site one.

Chris Shaw 7 years, 3 months ago

Tom, it's all up there. You can read it again. Every post is separate as they are in response to different posters.

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

I read them, just didn't understand them.

Oubre became one of the team's best players after working his way into the lineup.

He had a below average last four games...and that was because he didn't start right away? It's just not adding up.

This part was particularly confusing: "Oubre played fantastic during the Big 12 slate but when the games matter most and the competition level and stakes rose (post season play) Oubre reverted back instead of stepping up? Why? Because Self wants to Beat Florida in a meaningless regular season game and he doesn't think Oubre is ready in December? There are some games that are bigger than others during the regular season, but how are you gonna know what you have unless you let these "bluechipers" play during those so called bigger games so they can resemble that feeling when it matters most in the ncaa tourny."

KU's games in conference were much more pressure-packed than the early season games they played. There's just no logic in saying that because Oubre took a few weeks to crack the starting lineup (I mean, aside from starting and playing significant minutes in the biggest non-con game) because he was struggling when he got in the game, that that was why he started shooting poorly the last four games of the season...after kicking ass for most of the conference games in hostile environments and an actual goal on the line. It's not like Oubre didn't play in those early season games, either. He just didn't play...well. So he didn't play...much. It doesn't click for everyone right away.

Help me out.

Kevin Jenkins 7 years, 3 months ago

I believe Wiggins started most if not all games. Self does let freshman start if they can handle his style of defense. Self once said it himself that if they prove themselves they will start. Sorry but Cliff never really showed that much. Which game did I miss where he impressed everyone that he deserved to start? And yes I will eat crow later. Who could have started instead of Oubre? I think Self just didn't have anyone else to go to. Self does need to work on everyone playing as a team together instead of a highlight reel for their future. Our future does look brighter. Just need someone around 6"11.

Chris Shaw 7 years, 3 months ago

Tom, I can't help you out. My post was in response to Brett's comment that Oubre had "one bad game" and that was against WSU. That statement is inaccurate as I responded to Brett. I simply pointed out that all 4 of Oubre's post season games were in fact very undesirable after pointing out and agreeing that Oubre had a very good Big 12 outside of the TCU game where he had the flu.

My last comment in that post was in regards to Brett's comment about Oubre starting against kentucky because it was "Nationally Televised". That's the part I also agreed with with Brett but I aslo find very hypocrtical of Self considering Oubre's minutes prior to to that game in the exhibitions and the the first regualr season game and the 8/9 games post Kentucky game. Hence the "mind games" comments.

Now that I've basically repeated myself...carry on.

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

Understood. I just wanted to clarify that you were saying Oubre's poor finish was caused by his slow start, and it sounds like that's what you think.

Doesn't make any sense to me, but at least we're on the same page. Thanks.

Ben Simonett 7 years, 3 months ago


"a Jayhawks roster that figures to bring so much more maturity, balance and chemistry" "Even if Diallo and forward Carlton Bragg don’t bring more than departed one-and-done players Cliff Alexander and Kelly Oubre, everyone else on the roster is one year older. That means a more developed body and basketball brain"

--these assertions are simply not true. it is not a given that every player on the team is going to see an increase in basketball IQ and body simply because they are a year older.

"Devonté Graham figures to improve even more than most making the leap from freshman to sophomore season because he’s so smart and so humble." -- same thing was said about wayne selden last year

" Wayne Selden Jr.’s sophomore slump isn’t likely to extend into his junior year" -- why not? just because you hope it doesnt?

" Landen Lucas’ rebounding prowess" -- 4.3 rpg last season does not constitue "prowess"

typical BS wishful thinking article. I hope all these claims turn out to be true but to assume they all will is ignoring reality

DB Ashton 7 years, 3 months ago

Wildly, ridiculously wishful thinking, without a shred of supporting evidence. And still no post presence, plus no guarantee Ellis or Greene will be fully fit. Extra early games, however, are a big plus. This team will have to defend, attack and rebound fiercely at both ends and take no conference games off to meet any kind of grand expectation.

Ben Simonett 7 years, 3 months ago

"everyone else on the roster is one year older. That means a more developed body and basketball brain""

that is a direct implication that everyone being a year older means they will have a more developed body and basketball brain. on the whole yes, the team will most likely see improvement, im not denying that. odds are a couple guys will improve and thus the overall team will improve. my criticism is with the claim that EVERYONE will improve just because they are older

Allison Steen 7 years, 3 months ago

You really like to pick people apart don't you? He isn't guaranteeing a more developed body and basketball brain, but typically that is what comes with another year of college basketball under a young adults belt. All things listed are likely of happening.

Graham was our best player in the Wichita State game and improved every time he got out on the court (a couple bad games sprinkled in, but otherwise is true). He was a freshman, so its a pretty much guarantee he improves.

People are hard on Selden because he was highly touted, but he was a solid contributor to our team and I see no reason why he won't improve next year. He is aware of his faults, and he said he wants to come back and be better and I think he will.

I would say averaging 4-5 rebounds a game while getting fairly limited minutes, thats not bad. Even more, he vastly improved towards the end of the season and worked his a*s off out there.

Stop your b*tching. If none of this happens, that'll suck. If all of it happens, that'll be awesome. But how can you judge our success for next year when it hasn't happened? Just as he has no evidence these assertions will happen, you don't have any evidence it won't. Try to enjoy the ride instead of complaining the entire time. Or maybe get yourself a diary and complain in there.

Allison Steen 7 years, 3 months ago

You make an enjoyable past time slightly miserable. I never thought a fellow KU fan could be such a bummer, even after good news. I am actually looking forward to it being truly the offseason (recruiting done), to lessen the chances of seeing you complain.

Allison Steen 7 years, 3 months ago

Side note, this is directed to all the drama queens on this site, not just you.

Rodney Crain 7 years, 3 months ago

Ben you are right on spot with your post. The board has completely lost touch with reality.

It usually gets overly positive on here when something good happens to our program but we are in rarefied air now. Looks like one player has made our team The Avengers. Somehow the tepid team that finished the year is now a top to bottom talented powerhouse that will steamroll the competition. Players who have slowly improved or in some cases did not over one year, are All going to make significant improvements because they have been here another year. That a player who was not even going to be drafted is now a first team All American candidate. Quite a list of achievements for our program who some of these same folks said might not do much more than win the B12 again a day before Diallo committed.

Quick someone bottle the Kansas River in Lawrence, the water works miracles now.

I would not be surprised if someone posts that this team will achieve World Peace, total equality for all, and somehow feed the World.

Forget the facts you listed, there is just no place for reality in the world of Unicorns, Rainbows and KU basketball.

Great post, Ice water to most on here which will be met by a force of boos, but a fair opinion.

Thank You!

Alex Resnik 7 years, 3 months ago

I think if you were to individually ask each poster on here what their greatest concern is for next year you would get varied answers My point being, everyone on here probably does have concerns. We just are excited that we filled a need on our team, does that make our team better? Hope so. Does that mean we will be better? Hope so. Does signing Diallo mean we no longer have flaws? No, every team has flaws. The majority of posters chose to see the good news when good news is brought up, rather than trying to find what is wrong or play devils advocate.

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

Crow gives some folks indigestion. Maybe some Pepto-Bismol?

Oh, and for your benefit, the expression is "spot on", not "right on spot".

As always, I'm here to help, buddy. ;)

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 3 months ago

Has it been known for several months that Cheick Diallo and Jaylen Brown have been Bill Self's top 2 targets? Yes it has. Most recruiting articles over the past several months have focused on these two more than other recruits. It doesn't mean KU hasn't been recruiting others because they obviously have, but Diallo and Brown have been the two priority targets since January.

Does KU have any control over when recruits make their decisions? No they do not. I'm sure Bill Self would have loved if Diallo made up his mind 3 months ago and Jaylen Brown already made up his mind.

Bill Self did not suddenly forget how to recruit. 2011 is legitimately the only bad recruiting year Self has had at KU because he made a bad assumption about the Morris twins.

Want to talk about how the classes actually performed after the fact? Fine, but that's a different debate than how the classes looked before the season started. Some classes over perform to expectations and some under perform to expectations.

Tony Bandle 7 years, 3 months ago

Let the nicknames begin!!!

BackCheick. ForeCheick. Cheick Please. Diallo M For Mali. CD. Cheick Republic.

The African Ass Kicker [too harsh??]. Cheick Your Shots At The Door.

Suzi Marshall 7 years, 3 months ago

Cheick Out....Cheick In.

Cheick Your Pocket.

Cheick Mate (especially if we play LSU).

Brian Holmes 7 years, 3 months ago

Article was very true. Look at when KU went to the Championship game against UK. KU did not have any really highly talented guys like Wiggins or Embiid but KU did have experience and Coach Self taught them how play well under his system. Point is that KU has been able to be a elite college without having as many really high recruits like UK. If Coach Self was UK's coach last year they would have won it all.

Suzi Marshall 7 years, 3 months ago

That my friend is a very good article. Anderson hits the nail on the with his Cal description. Cal's strength by far is that he's a caring, thoughtful, charismatic person. He's only average when it comes to Xs and Os.

Self on the other hand pushes the boundaries when it comes to teaching. Some teams, like this year's and last year (sans Embiid) had too many key people incapable of comprehending .... anything.

Tom Jones 7 years, 3 months ago

Man, the UK fans are not happy with DA...

I don't agree with his assessment of last year's title game, because they were not equipped, as Louisville was, to pressure UConn's guards. The outcome would have been much worse. Their problem was already that Napier and Boatright were too quick for the Harrisons and other bigger guards who tried to stay with them.

But the rest of his assessment rings true.

Joseph Bullock 7 years, 3 months ago

Tom Jones is absolutely justified for his re-posts of what people have said! People in here argue (including myself, sometimes) over things we really don't know! But why I like Toms post, is because some people in here are quitters and/or: 'fair weather fans'! Maybe instead of being so negative, and having TV (tunnel vision), people should let the process play itself out, and be a bit more "Positive"! Coach Self always says: it's a process. Just sayin!

Paul Christiansen 7 years, 3 months ago

Let's face it, Bill Self pulled another Rabbit out of the hat. But, as much as I hate to admit this, our perimeter needs work.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 3 months ago

Landing Diallo is not pulling a rabbit out of the hat. Self and Roberts spent months recruiting Diallo. Landing Tevin Mack would be pulling a rabbit out of the hat because of how long Shaka Smart had this kid committed at VCU and is likely to land him again at Texas and Bill Self didn't enter the picture until after Smart left for Texas.

Benz Junque 7 years, 3 months ago

They spent almost two years recruiting him.

Joseph Bullock 7 years, 3 months ago

Thank you Aaron, for saying 'Self' and "Roberts"! I love Bill Self, but so many people act like he is the one who does "ALL" of the recruiting! He is the only one a lot of people ever give credit to! I not sure why people don't always give credit, where credit is due, line you just did! Rock Chalk Aaron Hawk!

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