Thursday, April 9, 2015

Perry Ellis has info to make pro decision

Perry Ellis (34) positions himself for a shot against Baylor's defense in the Jayhawk’s 62-52 win over Baylor in the semi-final of the Big 12 Tournament Friday.

Perry Ellis (34) positions himself for a shot against Baylor's defense in the Jayhawk’s 62-52 win over Baylor in the semi-final of the Big 12 Tournament Friday.


The NBA Undergraduate Advisory Committee has provided Kansas University junior forward Perry Ellis information on his draft stock as he decides whether to enter the 2015 NBA Draft or return to KU for his senior season, coach Bill Self said Wednesday.

“I would say Perry is a smart kid. He’s got some things to think about, but his head is in the right place,” coach Bill Self told the Journal-World on Wednesday, the day after Cliff Alexander announced plans to join fellow KU freshman Kelly Oubre Jr. in the June draft.

“He is doing everything all our other players are doing. There’s no reason to push him to do anything because this was the game plan all along, have a year, evaluate it and see what happens, basically the same thing we did last year,” Self added.

Self said he annually files requests for reports on several of his players with the undergraduate advisory committee. The committee consists of NBA player-personnel experts who provide potential early entries with detailed figures regarding their standing as pro prospects.

“I did it for six guys this year,” Self said, not naming names. “It’s something you submit toward the end of the season. Last year I did it for four, five guys. I’ll always do it. The majority of coaches out there that would have anybody on the bubble would probably do the same thing as well. It’s a way kids can get some form of accurate information that would allow them to digest it and make a decision that would be more educated. This is something you go through. The players are aware of it. They and the families get the information like the coaches do.”

Self explained, “The advisory committee was something put in place years ago. It allows underclassmen to submit their names to figure out where this committee feels they would potentially go in the draft if they were to come out based on what this committee feels the consensus would be. This advisory deal is a tool to help families and players get accurate information.”

Ellis, who averaged 13.8 points and 6.9 boards last season, has been mentioned as a possible second-round pick. None of the mock drafts have yet placed him in the first round. ESPN’s Chad Ford does not have him among his top-100 draft prospects.

Players have until April 26 to declare; however, the last day a player can pull out of the draft and come back to school is Sunday. If a player declares after Sunday, he is in the draft for good.

Self said he has put no timetable on Ellis. KU’s basketball banquet is Monday night.

“Perry obviously has some things to think about with his family, but that’s what we’ve known the last three months would be the case,” Self said.

Ellis’ mom, Fonda, told the J-W on Wednesday, “Now that Perry has the report back (from NBA) and met with coach Self, we plan to discuss things this weekend as a family. Not sure if he will know by Monday or not but we have a plan in place to at least talk about it.”

The roster in limbo: KU, which has received an oral commitment from Carlton Bragg, a 6-foot-9 senior from Cleveland’s Villa Angela St. Joseph High, has three scholarships left to give in recruiting, four if Ellis turns pro, more if anybody transfers.

Will the roster be finalized soon?

“No, not at all,” Self said. “We are still actively recruiting a few guys. We don’t know the timetable in which they are going to make a decision.”

Prep prospects who are considering KU include No. 2-ranked (by Jaylen Brown, 6-7, Wheeler High, Marietta, Georgia; No. 3 Malik Newman, 6-3, Callaway High, Jackson, Mississippi; No. 5 Thon Maker, 7-foot, Orangeville Prep, Mono, Ontario; No. 7 Cheick Diallo, 6-7, Our Savior New American, Centereach, New York; No. 11 Stephen Zimmerman, 7-foot, Bishop Gorman High, Las Vegas; and No. 19 Brandon Ingram, 6-8, Kinston (North Carolina) High. Michael Thorne Jr., a 6-11 senior transfer from UNC Charlotte, is considering KU, Pitt and Illinois. Bragg is ranked 15th.

Summer roster: KU, which will represent the United States in this summer’s World University Games in South Korea, will be allowed to field a 12-man roster.

“It’ll definitely be all our scholarship guys, minus international players. Svi can’t go,” Self said.

KU freshman Sviatoslav Mykhailuk, who is a native of Ukraine, obviously can’t play for the KU/U.S. squad. If KU doesn’t have 12 scholarship players, Self could add former KU players between the ages of 17 and 24. Incoming freshmen and transfers are eligible to play for the KU/USA team.

Restrictions: Johnathan Williams III, who has decided to transfer after leading Missouri in scoring this past season, tells the Columbia Tribune he has been restricted from transferring to Arizona and Illinois and any schools in the Big 12 or SEC. Illinois and Arizona will be on MU’s schedule in 2016-17, and Missouri annually faces a Big 12 team in the Big 12/SEC Challenge. The 6-9 sophomore told the Detroit Free Press he is considering Michigan State.

Brown’s video: Jaylen Brown has put out a Bleacher Report video at to announce officially his eight finalists.

In the video, he was on the court wearing the jerseys of KU, Cal, Georgia, Michigan, Georgia Tech, UCLA, Kentucky and North Carolina. “You’ll find out soon enough,” he said at the conclusion of the video.


Severeno Woods 7 years, 7 months ago

Can someone explain the rules on why Svi can not play in the international in Korea?

Rodney Crain 7 years, 7 months ago

We are representing the USA in the tournament, not KU. Svi played in the Worlds already as a member of the Ukraine teams, U18 I think and their Senior team last summer. He could play in the tournament as a member of the Ukraine team if they qualified. I am unsure if they will be there.

Wiggins cannot play for us, he is Canadian, nor Joel from Cameroon.

Benz Junque 7 years, 7 months ago

Because Svi is not a US citizen and only US citizens can play for Team USA.

Benz Junque 7 years, 7 months ago

No to Withey and T-Rob unless they have taken classes in the last year. Of former players, only McLemore is eligible since he took classes last summer.

Each athlete must meet the following specific criteria in order to be eligible.

1) United States Citizen and able to obtain a US Passport.

2) Born between January 1, 1987 and December 31, 1997. For basketball, the athlete must be born after January 1, 1990 and before December 31, 1997.

3) Have taken at least one 3-credit course towards a degree or diploma within the last year before the GAMES. Incoming freshman and transfers are usually eligible.

4) Sign the Comprehensive Acceptance of Team USA Agreements form.

5) Sign the Team USA Honor Code and Code of Conduct form.

6) Sign the Team USA Authorizations, Waiver and Release Form.

Michael Bratisax 7 years, 7 months ago

Of course he can play in Korea. Just not for the US. Kansas will barely be able to scrape a team together.

Suzi Marshall 7 years, 7 months ago

Ellis - It seems Ellis should declare for the draft by Sunday, since he can pull back out up to April 24th. I sincerely hope he works hard on his game and returns to KU. If he comes back committed to play like he did in the half dozen games prior to his injury, Ellis can go high in the first round, similar to UW's Dekker and a lesser degree Kaminsky. Ellis could have a monster year, averaging 20 ppg, 7 rpg, and become a much better defender, placing him statistically amongst the all time greats in KU history.

Recruiting - It's becoming clear that Self will miss on all his outstanding HS recruiting prospects. Transfers in seem to be our best hope. More likely Lucas and Mickelson will need to develop and play a major role next season.

Mykailiuk - I understand Svi can not play in Korea. However, can/will he practice with the team? Can he make the trip to Korea with the team...and practice, while sitting out the games? I'm cautiously optimistic, Mykailiuk can contribute a monster year next season.

If the Hawks get Ellis and Svi back and they play as capable, we could have a great year. Selden is the wild card in the mix. I'm not sure what to think of Selden.

Clarence Haynes 7 years, 7 months ago

I guess that I have not followed the recruiting as close a others, but why do you think that other than Bragg, KU will "miss on all his outstanding recruiting prospects"?

Rob Bedford III 7 years, 7 months ago

It looks like 6-7 UK players are jumping to the draft so a few KU targets are likely going to pick Kentucky.

Benz Junque 7 years, 7 months ago

I think it's a good thing that so many UK players left. The last time they had that many roster spots open with no solid upperclassmen, they went to the NIT. Poythress is their only returning upperclassmen. Maybe some recruits shy away since they will be hard pressed to field a great team.

Michael Bennett 7 years, 7 months ago

They also return Marcus Lee (who will be a junior) and Tyler Ulis, for a total of at least three platooners. I think they'll make the tournament with a pretty good team, especially if Skal is a great rim protector.

Michael Bratisax 7 years, 7 months ago

Three Final Fours in 4 years.... Kentucky is the 1st stop on the way to national exposure and the NBA and these kids know it.

Robin Smith 7 years, 7 months ago

If Ellis declares for the NBA draft, he can only come back to college if he withdraws by April 14th, next Tuesday.

He can still enter his name in the draft after that point, but, if he does, his eligibility will be over.

Benz Junque 7 years, 7 months ago

No, he has to withdraw by April 12th, which is Sunday.

Robin Smith 7 years, 7 months ago

withdrawal is one day prior to spring signing period, which begins on April 15th

you can check the date for yourself if you like

Benz Junque 7 years, 7 months ago

It is becoming clear? Based on what? Diallo to Kansas seems to be the rumor floating around right now.

Suzi Marshall 7 years, 7 months ago

Diallo to St. Johns is the hot rumor. A bunch of the Crystal Ball prognosticators recently went with that, since Mullen signed on as HC.

Michael Bratisax 7 years, 7 months ago

He gains nothing by returning. He isn't going to grow a few more inches and he can work on his 3 pt shot wherever he is.

Good Luck Perry!

Allison Steen 7 years, 7 months ago

He gains a degree, and he can improve, or at least have better numbers. If education is important to you and you're nowhere close to the 1st round, you stay that last year to get your degree.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 7 months ago

Perry will never be a high first round pick, he is just too.too much of a tweeter for the NBA. He's not strong enough to play in the paint or quick enough to play on the perimeter at the next level. Perry will have a long career in Europe and there's nothing wrong with that as Keith Langford turned himself into the best player in Europe.

Benz Junque 7 years, 7 months ago

Did anyone have Tarik Black pegged as a future NBA player? If you say yes then you aren't being truthful. Perry has a lot of work to do and can improve his draft stock if he stays. Or maybe he sees that NBA scouts aren't drooling over him and decides that he should at least spend one last fun year at Kansas trying to make a run to the Final Four before he starts the long hard process of grinding away to try to land on an NAB roster.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 7 months ago

Tarik Black was a projected mid to late 2nd round pick most of his time at KU. Black also is built like a traditional 4 and can hold his own in the post.

Glen Miller 7 years, 7 months ago

After this Sunday, you can no longer pull out of the draft and come back to college.. You have until the 26th of April to declare, but once you've declared, after April 12th.... you either enter the draft or play overseas. So I would say he should take up until Sunday to decide, because after that he's stuck with his choice.

"There is a deadline approaching. Players have until April 26 to declare. However, the last day a player can pull out of the draft and come back to school if one was to declare is Sunday. If a player declares after Sunday, he is in the draft for good. <<<<<< this was in an earlier article on this site labeled "KU’s Perry Ellis receives report from NBA committee, continues to consider pro options

Andy Tweedy 7 years, 7 months ago

A video to announce his final 8? Good grief, what have we done to these kids?

RJ King 7 years, 7 months ago

I used to think the whole hat ceremony, video thing was an indication of prima donna arrogance. But watching trends the past 15 years in social media and high school activities via my own kids and step children, I've changed my mind.

Kids create elaborate videos, skits, and scavenger hunts just to ask someone to prom. Wanna-be singers and musicians endlessly post performances on You Tube. The traditional first dance at weddings likely turns into a flash mob. It has everything to do with user-friendly movie-making software, Instagram, etc.

I see most of these kids as "hopeful," rather than cocky, and I no longer assume anything about a kid's character or personality after such an announcement. We may roll our eyes and wish for the dimmer spotlight of the past, but it's the technology not the kids.

Benz Junque 7 years, 7 months ago

It's called having fun with technology. I thought it was pretty unique and cool.

Waylon Cook 7 years, 7 months ago

Does anyone else think the Mizzou restrictions are funny on the transfer?

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 7 months ago

Not really, it's pretty standard to restrict a player from transferring to a known future opponent. Michigan State has been his top choice all along anyway so the restriction list really doesn't impact him anyway.

Jay Scott 7 years, 7 months ago

As long as he gets out of that heIIhole he's happy...

John Fitzgerald 7 years, 7 months ago

Is it bad that if Ellis left I wouldn't be upset or concerned?

Michael Bennett 7 years, 7 months ago

If Perry left it would definitely change the dynamics of the way the team plays on both ends of the floor. But I'm not sure they would be worse off by the time March rolls around. This is very arguable and I (and anyone else who agrees) will probably take heat for it, but it's my opinion. At first it would be a little ugly. But if his departure opens up room for more strength and defensive prowess (Diallo, Thorne) in the low post it could be for the better. It could also allow for the wing scorers (possibly Jaylen?) to show what they can do.

John Fitzgerald 7 years, 7 months ago

I tend to agree with you, but with Kentucky now having 7 spots open to fill, that worries me that we may not get who we're aiming for.

Freddie Garza 7 years, 7 months ago

Gentlemen, Perry is the ONLY legitimate scoring threat we have in the post as of now. Bragg has not proven a thing at this point, and none of the other guys can go out and get you even 9 points consistently on any given night. Our biggest scoring threat in the backcourt is not even 6 feet tall. We DEFINITELY need Perry for another year. He may be soft at times. He may not be the greatest defender. But he is still BY FAR the best post presence we have. Come on, show a little more support for your home state players, fellas!

Allison Steen 7 years, 7 months ago

Uh yes. We could get someone awesome to take his place. But what if we didn't? There's no for sure we get a great freshman to replace him, and if we do, there's no guarantee they will produce what we need him to. Losing Perry would be a detriment.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 7 months ago

Perry's draft stock is likely as high as it will get and if he wants a crack at the NBA, this is the time to try and make it happen. Being a 2nd round pick, his contract won't be guaranteed unless he absolutely wows at the summer league and his team decides to guarantee part or all of his contract.

My opinion is that Perry has Europe written all over him. Perry's skills translate much better to European basketball than the NBA and he can have a decade plus long career over there and possibly become one of the top players in Europe the way Keith Langford did.

KU desperately needs Ellis back next otherwise the front court will be a complete and total mess next season.

Brian Skelly 7 years, 7 months ago

Perry's problem as the NBA goes anyway is that he's undersized for a 4, and under-skilled for a 3. It really is that simple.

That said, he improved his range on jumpshots appreciably this year, but he's still not going to ever be a smooth shooter from deep.

I dont think his draft status changes much if he stays or goes. He wont be high at all this year. If he helps KU go far in the tournament next year, it probably goes up.

Regardless, we should wish him well. He's been a good, if not great Jayhawk.

Rob Bedford III 7 years, 7 months ago

Where is the guy who insisted Kentucky would only lose 4 players?

John Fitzgerald 7 years, 7 months ago

That was Aaron Paisley I believe. He argued my point that they could lose 5-6, and instead said they would lose 3-4. We were both wrong because Kentucky lost 7, which puts us in an even tougher spot with recruiting. And lets be honest, Calipari is a better salesman than Self.

Rob Bedford III 7 years, 7 months ago

I said Kentucky would lose 6-7. I think KU will land Diallo and miss out on the rest.

John Fitzgerald 7 years, 7 months ago

Yea I could see that happening. Our biggest need is Thorne at this point. Diallo would help but height is our biggest concern. He would fit in nicely and could even teach our other big guys a few things, being that he's a senior.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 7 months ago

If the Harrison twins and Dakari Johnson want to make a mistake, it's their business and Kentucky will be not be nearly as good next year as they could have been. They just went from national title contenders to a top 15-20 team.

Rob Bedford III 7 years, 7 months ago

Calipari can and probably will land Zimmerman, Maker, Newman and Brown to go with the three players already committed. I think that would make Kentucky a top three team. KU probably only brings in Diallo to go with Bragg. KU is no better than a top 15-20 team next year.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 7 months ago

They won't get Zimmerman who's staying out west, Maker won't be eligible, they have Poythress coming back who plays the same position as Jaylen Brown (who is allegedely dowe to Kansas, Michigan, and UCLA). Everyone leaving may very well also be an indicator that Calipari is seriously considering jumping back to the NBA and has hinted to all of those guys that he's leaning that way.

Tom Jones 7 years, 7 months ago

Man, I know Brown's a good player, but...that's some serious prima donna type stuff, there.

Joseph Bullock 7 years, 7 months ago

My thoughts (and it is just a guess-and anyone who says they know we won't get anyone, is an idiot), are that we get Maker (if we don't get him, we get Thorne), and remember, the last coach to actually meet, in person, with Zimmerman, was one of our K.U. assistant coaches (but I'm not sure what that will end up meaning)! But if you are a traditional '5', who can also step out and shoot the 15 footer, you would love to step into the open spot at Center, and play for coach Self. I also think Jaylen Brown will come and step right in to the '3', replacing Oubre! But we will definitely get a center! Also, Perry 'CAN' improve his game, playing one more year at Kansas. His biggest problem was 'NOT' his game, it was being double and triple teamed, every game, and being the main focus of 'EVERY OPPONENTS'' defensive game plan. Don't people understand how much better you play, and how much higher your draft stock rises, when you have great players surrounding you, and you do better in the NCAA Tournament!!!

Joe Ross 7 years, 7 months ago

I could be wrong, but I think playing time will factor in. Who wants to play only half a game when they can play 3/4 of it? I dont think KY gets all of the recruits theyre after. I still think we get Diallo and a perimeter player.

Tony Bandle 7 years, 7 months ago

Gosh, I love Perry but, c'mon!!! Leave school early?? He has European star written all over him if he doesn't stay one more year with Bill and Ms Hudey!!

Joseph Bullock 7 years, 7 months ago

I don't think Perrys goal is to play overseas! If it happens, it happens, but what player does not want to play in the NBA, first and foremost. That is like being a quitter, before even playing the game!

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