Sunday, September 28, 2014

Charlie Weis out as Kansas University football coach

Kansas head coach Charlie Weis walks off the field following the Jayhawks' 23-0 loss to Texas on Saturday, Sept. 27, 2014 at Memorial Stadium.

Kansas head coach Charlie Weis walks off the field following the Jayhawks' 23-0 loss to Texas on Saturday, Sept. 27, 2014 at Memorial Stadium.


When he hired him in December of 2011, Kansas University athletic director Sheahon Zenger called newly named Kansas University football coach Charlie Weis “the right coach at the right time to help Kansas raise the bar and compete in the Big 12.”

Sunday morning, Zenger admitted he was wrong.

The Journal-World has learned that Weis has been dismissed as KU's head coach just 28 games into his tenure. KU confirmed the news that was first reported by the Journal-World in a news release shortly after 9 a.m.

Charlie Weis out at Kansas

Here's a collection of links to our coverage of the firing of KU football coach Charlie Weis after two-plus seasons as the leader of the Jayhawks:

Weis dismissed as KU football coach

Speculation about Weis' future quietly took toll on Jayhawks

Matt Tait's coaching candidates list

Podcast episode


Sifting through the fallout of the Charlie Weis firing

The Spodcasters Tom Keegan and Matt Tait react to Sunday's big news that Charlie Weis was let go by the KU athletic department after two-plus seasons as the football program's head coach.

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Reader poll

Who should replace Charlie Weis as KU football coach?

  • Clint Bowen: Interim KU head coach, defensive coordinator 25% 746 votes
  • John Reagan: KU offensive coordinator 0% 24 votes
  • Ed Warinner: Ohio State co-offensive coordinator, offensive line coach 12% 362 votes
  • David Beaty: Texas A&M receivers coach, recruiting coordinator 8% 254 votes
  • Tim Beck: Nebraska offensive coordinator 1% 54 votes
  • Eric Kiesau: KU receivers coach 0% 10 votes
  • Dave Doeren: N.C. State head coach 9% 277 votes
  • Jim Leavitt: San Francisco 49ers linebackers coach 8% 239 votes
  • Chad Morris: Clemson offensive coordinator 2% 69 votes
  • Butch Davis: Former NFL and college coach 3% 96 votes
  • Mark Mangino: Iowa State offensive coordinator, tight ends coach 17% 511 votes
  • Other: Suggest another name in the comments 7% 228 votes

2870 total votes.

Weis becomes the second Kansas coach in the past four years to be let go before reaching the end of his original contract, which he signed in 2011 for five seasons at $2.5 million per year.

"I normally do not favor changing coaches mid-season," Zenger said in the release. "But I believe we have talented coaches and players in this program, and I think this decision gives our players the best chance to begin making progress right away."

Zenger continued: "I appreciate what Coach Weis did with several facets of our football program, but we have not made the on-the-field progress we believe we should. I believe new leadership gives our coaches and players the best chance to make a fresh start."

After struggling to a 6-22 record that, at times, rivaled the futility of the failed two-year Turner Gill era that he was asked to move the program away from, Weis was done in by his inability to establish consistent progress, kickstart the offense and, of course, the results on the scoreboard.

According to a source, Weis has been relieved of his duties immediately and Kansas defensive coordinator Clint Bowen will take over as the interim head coach for the remainder of the season. The released confirmed that Bowen was named KU's interim head coach.

Bowen, who grew up in Lawrence and played three seasons at KU in the early 1990s, has worked under four different KU coaches since 1996.

Weis' dismissal comes on the heels of KU's 23-0 loss to Texas on Saturday, the latest example of the KU defense keeping the Jayhawks in the game but the offense not doing enough to win.

It marks the first time KU has removed a coach during a season since Terry Allen was fired eight games into the 2001 season.

KU chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little also weighed in with her thoughts in the release: "As we continue to elevate the national stature of the University of Kansas, our pursuit of excellence extends beyond our research and instructional missions," Gray-Little said. "KU alumni, students, fans and supporters expect that Kansas Football will match the other areas in which we excel as a university. After consulting with Dr. Zenger, I am in agreement that it is time for new leadership of our football program."

During his 33 months in charge of the program, Weis brought more high-profile recruits to Lawrence than most who held the seat before him. However, very few of those players developed and many of them either left the program altogether or simply never panned out.

He heavily recruited the junior-college ranks throughout his time with the Jayhawks in an attempt to help bolster KU's roster with more mature athletes who already had made the adjustment to college football, but he made bigger splashes with big-name transfers who earned five-star reputations in high school but never lived up to the billing in college, particularly at Kansas.

Quarterbacks Dayne Crist and Jake Heaps figure to go down as the poster boys for the Weis era at Kansas. Crist transferred to KU from Notre Dame for his senior season and was benched before it was over. Heaps followed Crist to Lawrence from BYU and also was benched by the end of his lone season of eligibility before transferring to Miami prior to the 2014 campaign.

After dismissing 29 players from the roster he inherited — a move about which he later said he underestimated the impact — Weis guided his first KU squad to a 1-11 season but cleaned up things in the areas of academics, the weight room and player accountability enough for some to believe progress was being made.

In Year 2, Weis and the Jayhawks finished 3-9, with the lone significant highlight coming when they snapped a 27-game Big 12 Conference losing streak with a victory over West Virginia that was led by true freshman quarterback Montell Cozart.

Cozart entered 2014 as the starter and Weis fired himself as offensive coordinator and brought in former KU assistant John Reagan from Rice to take over, but the offense has sputtered since the season's opening quarter.

As recently as late July, Weis talked openly about his desire to stick it out at Kansas for several more years, saying, “I've got three years left on this (contract), so I think about five (more) years (at KU would be nice) because I'd like to be able to enjoy some of the success. What do you think, I want to just do all of the grunt work and then hand it off?”

Had the Jayhawks shown better progress in this season's non-conference portion of the schedule and rolled into Big 12 play with some momentum, it may have played out that way. Instead, they survived a scare from Southeast Missouri State in the opener, were drubbed at Duke, 41-3, and knocked off Central Michigan by gutting out two touchdowns in the fourth quarter of a 10-10 game before being blanked by Texas on Saturday.

All four results left the KU fan base, several donors and supporters in a sour mood and further threatened the much-needed “momentum” that KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger has talked about needing in order to move forward with long-clamored-for stadium upgrades and renovations.

If you don't count social media, nothing showed fan angst and apathy more than the mostly empty Memorial Stadium stands at the end of KU's three home games so far this season. This, during a season that began with Weis asking for the fans to support the team in September and telling them he'd give them a reason to come back in October and November.

With KU having lost eight games by 30 or more points in the Weis era, and continually struggling on offense, the hope, inside the athletic department, is that the move to terminate Weis' contract now instead of waiting until the end of the season will qualify as momentum in its own right.

As outlined in his contract, Weis will receive the full $7-plus million still owed him, however no details are available on whether that will come in the form of a lump sum or be paid out over the length of the contract.

Stay tuned to throughout the day and the coming weeks for the updates, reaction and the latest on KU's third football coaching search in five years.


Doug Roberts 8 years, 2 months ago

Sure thought Dave Campo would be interim head coach, though.

Dirk Medema 8 years, 2 months ago

Especially since I believe he is the Assistant HC? Makes me wonder if he has the energy/youth to effect the change? Yes, I realize that Grampa is doing fine to the west, but I also realize that he is an anomaly, and even he stepped down a few years ago (because he was getting worm out?).

Kyle Sybesma 8 years, 2 months ago

I don't believe Campo has a shot at being the head coach. It could be a try out for Bowen.

Dale Rogers 8 years, 2 months ago

Dave Campo is 67 years old. Unless your name is Bill Snyder you're not likely to take on a head coaching job that's a seriously difficult challenge, at that age. My bet is he retires. I think he mostly was convinced by Charlie to take the job in the first place and now that Charlie's gone I doubt Campo is around after this season, if that long. I have no idea and no comment on the quality of the job he has done, just pointing out the age angle.

Aaron Landis 8 years, 2 months ago

Campo never had a chance. He was clueless from day 1 and couldn't even keep the job he was hired for. Any success that could be attributed to this team (especially the defense) is a result of Coach Bowen's influence.

Michael Leiker 8 years, 2 months ago

Just feels very premature. I get it but sure hope Zenger has a plan ready to go.

Robert Brock 8 years, 2 months ago

I thought Bowen was just a kid and barely deserving of the position he held.

David A. Smith 8 years, 2 months ago

Unless you consider the quality of the defense...

Dirk Medema 8 years, 2 months ago

Was that a HC decision or an OC decision? The next couple months should be revealing.

I'm with M Leiker above in feeling it is premature, but also readily recognize that there is far more that goes on in leading a team than what we see as fans, Coach Self being a huge positive from across campus. I also apparently missed articles earlier about Charlie falling asleep in mtgs.

AD Zenger has done enough with the other sports at KU that I'm willing to give him some time to show his leadership here as well, though this is strike one/his hire.

Micky Baker 8 years, 2 months ago

It's strike one,his hire, but the count is now 2 - 1 because he also fired him and he didn't seem like the type that was going to pull that trigger. I doubt there are any more questions that can be answered about who Zenger has in mind right now. That might change in the coming weeks as coaches that are looking for opportunities will be to start checking into it now. Keep an eye on Fox Sports, ESPN,, and other websites from around the league to get an ear shot of some of the rumblings.

Yesterday was uninspiring by the offense, particularly QB play. It is a safe bet that if Cozart didn't throw the INTs, Texas may have scored only 6 or 13. Our punt coverage was pretty bad too, and that led to one short drive for Texas.

Powlus needs to see the door too. I don't want him messing up our QBs any more. He may be a really good guy, a guy you would want to befriend, but he isn't getting it done. I'm sure there is a QB guru some where that is available to step in right now to help right that ship, which really is the problem with the whole offense. Cozart had time yesterday and he didn't step up into pocket and zip a pass to guy that was open. The QB position is the one that kept us from winning that game yesterday. When we run 30 plus offensive plays in the opponents territory, it is a safe bet that we should score 4 or 5 times. If that isn't fixed, then we aren't going to win another game this year.

Chayse Patrick 8 years, 2 months ago

Yet another BAD move by zenger!!! Bowen doesn't have any business being interim head coach. Maybe they need to fire zenger too.

Aaron Landis 8 years, 2 months ago

Give Bowen a chance. He is a passionate Lawrence native and has a ton of football experience. That is exactly what we needed. Weis never even owned a home here.

Doug Cramer 8 years, 2 months ago

Good move Zenger !


Paul Brittain 8 years, 2 months ago

I think Splenda on top would be better in this instance.

Ron Prichard 8 years, 2 months ago

Please let this be the last of the lame "bring back Mangino" posts. It isn't going to happen, we don't want it to happen, and frankly it reeks of a desire for mediocrity. Move on already.

Chris Bailey 8 years, 2 months ago

I think you're gonna hear it A LOT more now that we have an opening. Like it or not. I can't see any chance of it happening but I am sure we'll hear it a lot. I'm not against it I just don't see it happening.

Jason Bruner 8 years, 2 months ago

I'm not one of those screaming for Mangino to come back, but right now I'd take mediocrity over what we're got right now

Joe Ross 8 years, 2 months ago

We dont want it to happen? Speak for yourself!

8 years, 2 months ago

I agree no more Mangino talk. That ship has sailed. Look forward and not backward. If MM was that great he would be a D1 HC somewhere else not just an OC for a lower tier Big XII program.

Lonnie Ross Dillon 8 years, 2 months ago

I'll keep saying this until somebody responds with a logical argument…why do we want a coach that lost his last 7 games. He gave up. His players gave up. He had no depth which was clearly demonstrated when he lost what skill he had to graduation and injuries.

Gregor Southard 8 years, 2 months ago

KU was literally 5 plays from being 10-2 that year (also 1 play from being 4-8). It was a "everything that could go wrong did kind of year."

Bill Kackley 8 years, 2 months ago

I wouldn't mind having Mangino back but know that will never happen as Grey-Little was Chancellor when he was fired. As far as I'm concerned she and Zenger are both cowards giving into -hol- moneybags alums. At least Iknow now Kansas will not have a winning record in my life time. Bring another coach in and fire him in 2-3 years. It takes a lot of time to build an honest program. Charlie you are better off being away from all these know it all (fans?).

Erich Hartmann 8 years, 2 months ago

Come on, Doug Cramer...! That era is over, rightly or wrongly, the Mangino era is years behind us. Blame Lew all ya want, but move on.

I'd like to see what Reagan can do with the offense the rest of this season. And maybe by having a D-coordinator's "eyes" (Campo+Bowen) analyzing the opposing D--we can find some way to pick apart opposing defenses. We have coaching talent, and we have on-field talent...and apparently a lot of people all the way up to Sheahon Zenger feel that the top-down guidance (head coach) is part of the issue. Or maybe its a 'shakeup' that simply underlines the urgency to win now with 9 seniors on defense, and seniors Harwell, Mundine, King, Pierson, McKay on offense.

The reality is we will have a gutted team again next season to graduation departures. Zenger wants to win now. Texas was very winnable opportunity, with some sportscasters picking KU. The result simply was the last straw, for many, since the "momentum" by winning (and being 3-1) gave us hope to possible get a few more W's against lower echelon BigXII teams...but if you get BLANKED at home by a struggling 1-2 Texas team, what does that say about KU's program.

As sad as I feel for Charlie Weis, I dont think this trend could be ignored any longer. The team (offensively) didnt look focused. I would have liked to see Cummings get a real legit shot. He's got a well as touch on the deep ball...(just sayin')

David Kelley-Wood 8 years, 2 months ago

Unacceptable means it will not be accepted. Out with the unacceptable. In with what will be more than a little interesting.

Jerry Walker 8 years, 2 months ago

Sorry for you, Charlie...but it's good news for Kansas football.

Bryce Landon 8 years, 2 months ago

Is it? Depends on who KU hires to replace Weis.

Jerry Walker 8 years, 2 months ago

Pay heed, Reagan... you better figure out how to put some points on the score board.

Allin Herring 8 years, 2 months ago

How can you put points on the board with a Quarterback like Cozart!! The worst QB KU football has ever seen!! Sorry to see Charlie go but you played Cozart about 3 games too many!!

Ian Ballinger 8 years, 2 months ago

That's a bit of an over-exaggeration. He's very raw, but I like him as our QB better than Crist and Heaps.

Lonnie Ross Dillon 8 years, 2 months ago

Heaps and Crist were hampered by no blocking and no mobility. A better line and I believe they would have done better.

Bob Bailey 8 years, 2 months ago

Bowen is a nice guy and a good Jayhawk. But all he ever learned about Defense cane fron Campo the last 2 years. He is certainly not qualified to be HC!

What we see here is NOT an improvement.

Micky Baker 8 years, 2 months ago

Bob, Bowen was the assistant DC in 2007 when Kansas went to the Orange Bowl and learned under Bill Young who was our DC from 2002 to 2007.

Aaron Landis 8 years, 2 months ago

Bowen is the real deal guys. Coached under Mangino, Dantonio... Give him a shot.

Bob Bailey 8 years, 2 months ago

Bowen is a nice guy and a good Jayhawk. But all he ever learned about Defense came from Campo the last 2 years. He is certainly not qualified to be HC!

What we see here is NOT an improvement.

Aaron Landis 8 years, 2 months ago

Ha. You couldn't be more wrong. Campo was a name and that is it.

Aaron Paisley 8 years, 2 months ago

The biggest thing Clint Bowen has going for him is there is no one out there with more passion for Kansas football than Clint Bowen.

I don't know if Butch Davis is available because part of his settlement with UNC was that he can't take another coaching job for a set time (I would guess however long was left on his contract), but if he's an option, that's my first phone call.

Jack Brooks 8 years, 2 months ago

Ron Powlus should pack up his office as well. We have had some of the worst performing QBs in college football, meaning Powlus has been totally ineffective at developing players.

Zenger needs to go after Dave Doeren

Brad Farha 8 years, 2 months ago

@Matt - always appreciate the great coverage of KU football. One thing I didn't understand about the game is why they don't have Cummings throw the ball when he's in the game. If he's our 2nd QB, why not give him some real game experience throwing the ball. Was hoping you'd ask that at Weis's press conference this week....... But a not point now. Rock Chalk.

Bryce Landon 8 years, 2 months ago

Need I remind you that Dave Doeren's Northern Illinois team lost to Turner Gill's Jayhawks in 2011?

Max Ledom 8 years, 2 months ago

Zenger is gonna have a great time getting a coach in here if they are canned every two years. That's a lot of pressure on a coach when trying to fix a dismal program that we have right now.

Chris Bailey 8 years, 2 months ago

Weis showed zero improvement over last season. Especially on the offensive side of the ball. We can and will hire a coach. Remember coaches want the challenge and the chance. We can hire pretty much whomever we choose. This is the University of Kansas. Not some FCS team. We will get our man. Question is will Zinger hire the right coach.

Bill Kackley 8 years, 2 months ago

Bull roar this team with Reesling at QB would be one of the best in Big 12. Orange bowl team with Cozart at QB wouldn't bake a bowl game.

Chayse Patrick 8 years, 2 months ago

yeah well a couple wins coulda prevented this! zenger had no business hiring that POS in the first place. Weis is a lot like Ron Prince, it's all about him. I just hope zenger will accept more advice and doesn't hire a new coach on his own. When he came back from the weekend that he hired "his man" I knew it was a bad hire from day one and given the knowledge of what he DIDN'T do at Notre Dame it was just a matter of time.

Chris Bailey 8 years, 2 months ago

I screamed at the computer when I heard this was our hire. He did nothing to prove he could win at ND. After we hired him I was behind his "I learned from my mistakes speech". He proved us right as he wasn't a good hire.

Kyle Sybesma 8 years, 2 months ago

I thought this was a good hire so I was wrong too. I don't like the idea of firing a coach in the middle of a season for wins/loses but this allows Zenger to start the search.

Florida fired Zook sooner rather than later and got the inside track on Urban Meyer. Most thought Meyer would go to Notre Dame but ND waited to long to fire Willingham and they ended up with Weis.

Dirk Medema 8 years, 2 months ago

I thought this was a good hire so I was wrong too. I don't like the idea of firing a coach in the middle of a season for wins/loses but this allows Zenger to start the search.

Wasn't Doeren a candidate in one/both of the last 2 searches. NCSU looked good against FSU yesterday.

Matthew Gaylor 8 years, 2 months ago

Weis wasn't the answer but I don't expect KU to bring in a good coach either. Let's be honest here, who WANTS to go to KU to coach? Especially after this year? They will have NOTHING. The defense will lose the majority of the players. The offense will continue to suck. Why would an assistant coach want to leave a P5 school for KU when they likely will be canned in 2 years? Basketball rules KU. The fans and donors will continue to not care about football, so the next coach who comes in, good luck.

Micky Baker 8 years, 2 months ago

Matthew, if the donors didn't care about football, they wouldn't put up the money buy out Gill's, and now Weis' contracts. I would think that there would be several coaches that would want a job like this one, because it gives them the best chance of proving what kind of coach they are. Though, some look at only the glory of big time teams. I don't know who would be on that list right now. That will be played out over the next several months.

Dirk Medema 8 years, 2 months ago

and just 2 months removed from dropping $0.5M on the grass around the playing field. There has been lots of investment in the football facilities and program recently, including over $22M in HC salaries over the past 5 years.

Cora Smith 8 years, 2 months ago

Look at what K State has put into its' football facilities in the last five years.

Matthew Gaylor 8 years, 2 months ago

The problem with a coach going from a P5 coordinator job to this job is that KU won't be any better next year. They lose their entire defense and don't gain anything. They will likely do poor next year and if you can't turn it around in year 2, then you'll get fired. A lot will likely wait to see if more jobs open up, like Michigan's, and possibly Florida's. KU's job will be towards the bottom because it will take some serious time to change it around and I'm not sure the donors will wait. Personally I think KU's best bet is to get someone who's not known, a lower tier coach and hope it works out like Auburn and Baylor's did.

Kyle Sybesma 8 years, 2 months ago

Matthew - fair question but take a look at what other coaches are doing who were hired to similar positions the same year Weis was. They've made significant improvements. I posted those names a while ago. I'll find it a post it again if you want.

Any candidate can see Weis didn't make improvements. This team looks no better than the one we had in his first year. In fact that may have been his best season. We took Tech to overtime. Blew the game late vs Texas when they switched quarterbacks and if I remember we hung with OSU.

Micky Baker 8 years, 2 months ago

I agree that if the move is going to made, it should be during the season so that other coaches that are going to be available know about it and have an option before they make a decision in haste. I didn't see this coming this soon, however.

I was really disappointed again yesterday. We ran 30 some plays inside Texas' territory and we scored 0. We should have scored at least scored 3 TDs and a field goal with that many plays. Texas didn't light up our defense by any means. They would have only scored 7, and then maybe not even that if they didn't get possessions that started inside your 35 yard line.

I'm flummoxed about some things, but the one that stuck out to me is how Cozart and some of the other players ran out of bounds, especially late, when they could have made moves up field to gain first downs. It seems that maybe they were coached to do that to "extend the game". I don't think Reagan did that either. I think it was Weis. We saw what Reagan's players do when Rice's tight end made a move to gain a first down on 4th 2 seasons ago when Rice won 25-24. If he would have ran out of bounds, KU would have won that game.

I wouldn't have thought that Bowen would be interim head coach, but lucky for us, we have Dave Campo that can be DC, but I would rather Campo be interim head coach and Bowen be DC.

Whatever happens, I hope that something happens to make the offense play inspired the rest of this season. I think with Weis gone, we have a much better shot at winning 2 or 3 Big 12 games this year.

My guess is that Cozart will no longer be starting QB. My guess is that it'll be Millweard. To be a fly on the wall in the Anderson Family complex today.

Chris Bailey 8 years, 2 months ago

I think after how poor Cozart played he needs to change positions. He's terrible. Maybe he can move to WR that seems to work out for QB's. He is NOT the future of KU football period. He doesn't have the edge. He doesn't have the ability in my opinion either. I agree with Millweard. I don't think you overlook Cummings though. Remember he's never been given a chance and deserves that much. And I also agree we can get a good coach. And doing this mid season will only help us in our search.

Chris Bailey 8 years, 2 months ago

Don't be an Ahole dude. You've haven't seen a decent qb at Kansas since Reesing and where did he come from? Oh that's right the bench. Don't be a donkey and call us out or feel the need to belittle someone because you don't agree. Not cool.

Chris Bailey 8 years, 2 months ago

Wait a minute I thought we were running a football program here not a self help class on building morale. If he ain't cutting you don't play him it's that simple. And we're discussing football not his character. What about the guys behind him? They're trying you're obviously just being mean to them because you're an a hole. Seriously? Sorry but if a kid can't cut it I'm willing to look elsewhere.Cozart is not the answer. We threw Webb aside in Weis'forst season. Were you calling Weis out for not giving Webb a chance to fail? Your argument only works if Obama is blaming Bush for killing Mr. Plum with a candlestick.

Allin Herring 8 years, 2 months ago

Who ever come in PLEASE PLEASE get rid of Cozart as Quarterback!

Marc Frey 8 years, 2 months ago

Here we go again. New HC (possibly the 5th in 6 years) So how long do we wait this time? 2 seasons 2 1/2? Then what? New HC, new offense, new defense? And when out 2 and 3 star players can not adjust......... This is a vicious circle. Yesterday we lost to UT by fielding team that had few if any players recruited by UT. Yes, a score or two would have been nice.

Gerry Butler 8 years, 2 months ago

if people think firing coaches every 2 or 3 yrs is the answer to the problems of this program then PLEASE let me take a hit of the stuff your smoking. you simply just CAN'T keep changing coaches every 2 to3 yrs. where is the continuity? how do you EVER expect to get any when you do this? was the program making progress? offensively- - probably not, more then likely not. but changing coaches at this point, this early into the season makes NO SENSE. I will tell you what the athletic director HAS DONE, what he has done is set this program even futher if that's possible. how many of the recruits do you think are still coming, not knowing who the coach will be, a lot of these kids came because of WEIS. one major point major defeniency we for sure had is quarterback and now the one decent quarterback we had comin one that was actually ranked watch and see. I realize the A.D. is getting a lot of pressure from donors its goin to be a very long process what coach in their right mind would want to take this job? can we offer job security? NO ! ! ! look at these last 2 coaches were they offered security? YES the ONLY way your going to hire a coach give him the 5yr contract and then struggle to bring the program back to some respectability STICK with that coach for those 5 yrs. this program didn't get in the shape is is now overnight and it IS NOT going to be fixed over night.for you people that think mark magino would come back here, ARE YOU NUTS? do you really think he would come back after the wy he got treated? would love it but again NO WAY. why?so he could get called fat? have idiots make fun of his weight? so people could cry and boo-hoo again when he jumped their golden spooned little brats and got tough with their babies? cryin its FOOTBALL PEOPLE if the boys can't take some aggression some mental,verbal and some hands on then they don't need tpo be playin the game of football. you think they give a crap about that kind of stuff in the pro's? you think those coaches are going to baby your little boys? get real. mark will NEVER come back here who could blame him

Kyle Sybesma 8 years, 2 months ago

Gerry - I quit reading you post after you asked, "Where is the continuity?" Where you ask? The continuity is the problem. We "continuously" lose every year. Continuity needs to change. I went into this season with full expectations that Weis would be back for a 4th season mostly because we had Reagan as the OC and we'd see significant improvements but that hasn't happen. The offense looks worse than it did in Weis's first year.

Chayse Patrick 8 years, 2 months ago

so very true!! your last 81/2 sentences told it all. The candy-asses couldn't handle Mark being the coach. truth be told we haven't had a bowl team since he left. and BTW Mark Mangino is probably chompin' at the bit waiting for someone to offer him the Kansas job just so he can tell 'em all to f-ck off!!

Jim Pendleton 8 years, 2 months ago

I agree with Max in that the biggest issue I have is we have unfortunately got ourselves into a pattern of getting rid of coaches every 2-3 years. This not only puts us in the tough position of getting a really good coach, but it also further hurts recruiting as well. Just another thing other coaches will be able to use against us, that we can't or won't keep a coach very long. There are now multiple classes going back to Mangino that will have had three coaches, bad enough to have two!

All that being said, I am sorry this didn't work out for Weis. I was opposed to firing him after last year, mostly for the reasons I just mentioned above. I generally don't like doing this in season either, but you could see this coming. For a guy known for his offense (ask Matt Cassel), if we even had an average offense, yesterday was there for the taking. Defense did a great job, score was misleading because of turnovers and field position swaps.

Finally, everyone KU needs to get on board with this program. No I don't like losing either, but I have been going to games for many years now because I support our team win or lose (this will be harder now as I just moved out of the area). While I love hoops like everyone else, I am sick to death of hearing from everyone that we are just a basketball school. I have said many times there is no law that says we can't be good in both. There are many programs that are very good at both. We are at a new era, as there will continue to be stadium changes in the future also. This can all happen, but everyone needs to get on board. Yes make your complaints heard, but be supportive as well. I have said often if schools like our friends to the west can do it, there is no reason we can't as well. I support KU in all programs always. I ask everyone to join me in that as well! Rock Chalk!!

Gerry Butler 8 years, 2 months ago

mr walker and others you stop to think that MAYBE just MAYBE its not the OC that's the problem. let me say this ONE MORE TIME we have no quarterback, you can teach and run and drill and practice and preach all the plays you want. the bottom line is the team has to be the one to go on the field and get the job done, they are the ones who have to produce not the OC you can run scrimmages all day all night makes no difference. he can't go out on the field and do it for them it has to be the tem that does that and that all starts with the quarterback, which WE DO NOT HAVE PERIOD. you got the players to run whatyou got you wouldn't have this problem, he didn't have this problem at rice they ran the offense just fine its not the offensive scheme its the players which starts with the quarterback. the thing is I bet you anything mr regan was offered the interim position why the hell do you promote a defensive coordinator as your interim coach, a guy that's never seen the offensive side of the ball? if regan was the problem HE would be the one fired, obviously they don't believe he is the problem would make a hell of a lot more sense to promote him as the interim then bowen, he was just smart enough to turn it down. it is gonna be a very long time. what asst oach from a program where they've been at for some time wanna come here? they have already established theirselves at that program secure where they are at to come here and be hired in and wonde if they got a job from one year to the next? who wants that? especially when they have a family to support

Ethan Berger 8 years, 2 months ago

Call me crazy, Cozart is getting to much blame. First is our scheme was just weird. Multiple times we stacked receivers on the short side and than ran bootleg. Every time they had it covered. Second is pass protection o line has been terrible. Last and most important is how many guys Texas was sending. Most plays they only sent 3 or 4 guys. They got enough pressure to make sure a recover wouldn't get open. It is so hard to pass on a team when they only bring 4 guys. The Seahawks just won a Superbowl like that. 2 of Cozarts picks you can't blame on him. I personally didn't see open receivers and considering how many were in coverage, I'm not surprised. Also we kept putting Cozart in terrible situations. False starts, bad play calls, easy sacks meant we had a long of drives that we needed more then 10. Just like the Duke game, we got out coached. Cozart might not be the answer but you can't take away half the field like our coaches have.

8 years, 2 months ago

Zenger should have gone first - bring in a new AD let Zenger finish out the season and allow the new AD to make the moves. Zenger was part of the first dog and pony show - it was a sham then and nothing has changed.

At least Zenger admitted he was wrong. He gambled then - and most everyone knew it.

Chayse Patrick 8 years, 2 months ago

I agree 100% it should be zenger walking out the door, then weis then campo. and to think zenger told all the fan base that "ku got there man" omg are you serious?

David A. Smith 8 years, 2 months ago

Is no one paying any attention to amazing results that we have had in things like women's track and volleyball? National champs and contenders. Football is not the only sport, and Zenger oversees many programs. He's doing a great job.

Bryce Landon 8 years, 2 months ago

Weis has demonstrated that he has no business coaching in the college ranks. What he did in the NFL doesn't work at the college program. He had early success with Notre Dame before running that program into the ground, and despite his best efforts he couldn't get Kansas out of the crater Turner Gill left them in. For someone who was such an "offensive genius" and who thought he could give his college teams a "decided schematic advantage".

That said, I'm not pleased to see Weis fired while the season is still young. We are 2-2, and mathematically still in a position to get to a bowl game. Zenger should have treated Weis the same way he treated Gill - wait until season's end to give him the pink slip.

Speaking of Zenger, he cannot get this next hire wrong. He already whiffed with Weis; he can't screw this next hire up. If he can't hire competent football coaches, he too needs to be replaced.

Randy Bombardier 8 years, 2 months ago

Well, I'm surprised but not unhappy. Zenger is entitled to one mis-hire. Better than a mis-fire. Mangino? No. Mason? Fulmer? No. I think it would be wise to go get a young system coach who's well versed in the spread game. We need offense...bad. our D is really pretty good. Let the season continue while putting out feelers and see how we do without Weis. My guess is now we'll pick up two or more wins. I always felt like this was a hobby for Weis. We didn't get our money's worth.

Rodney Crain 8 years, 2 months ago

Let's keep focused here, basketball is a week away.

Obviously Weis was a bad hire and this is going to be a long painful process. We thought Gill left the program in bad shape, after Charlie it is even worse. We need to find patience first. Finding a coach who wants this job is not going to be easy. Getting players to come here is going to be even harder. Turning this around will be impossible without changing the AD. Firing your coach mid season is a panic move. Any coach that comes here will need time to turn this around and will have no confidence that the AD will give them the chance to actually do the job needed. So buckle up everybody, this is going to be a long and bumpy ride.

Like I said basketball is almost here...

8 years, 2 months ago

Sadly this is the expected result of the last national search for an established big name coach. Who was Snyder before KSU? Who was Mangino before KU? Big coaches with fat pay checks do not feel the significant pressure to perform and put wins on the tally sheet. Perhaps Bowen will feel the incentive to pull a rabbit out of the hat. In any event with all due respect to the posters of this page, it couldn't be much worse. Many of you predicted 2 wins.... so enjoy being right. I am just sad and disappointed that the school and team(s) I love so much continue to be underachievers. Criticize my expectations if you wish - but the reason we keep score is to see who wins, not just who showed up.

Bryce Landon 8 years, 2 months ago

No one enjoys being right about predicting a losing season for their team. I wish the Jayhawks would prove us wrong and do the exact opposite - go 10-2 instead of 2-10.

Randy Bombardier 8 years, 2 months ago

A real outside the box thought. Sean Snyder? I don't think he'll get the KSU job after Bill retires. This could be brilliant. He's soaked it all in and been in a huge shadow and will probably be passed over in time. What if KU gives him his shot?

Tony Bandle 8 years, 2 months ago

Unfortunately, Kansas needs the type of football coach that doesn't need Kansas!!

This will be the third "burn the program down and start over" confliguration in the last five years at KU and, quite frankly, the only true progress we have made is we finally got rid of the damned track!!!

If we truly want to return to football relevance, at any cost, we must make a pact with the devil and HIRE MIKE LEACH WITH FULL AUTONOMY TO CREATE A RELEVANT FOOTBALL PROGRAM!!!!

Erich Hartmann 8 years, 2 months ago

So hiring the guy with a "worse" transgression in the exact category of transgression (maltreatment) that got Mangino fired? Oak, I'm just playing devil's advocate, as I prefer the old-ball type of coach myself, especially for football...)

I actually think Weis wasnt as old-ball as he thought he was...his mentor Bill Parcells was a helluva lot more crusty & salty than Weis ever was. Weis too soft spoken, and also NOT fiery enough on the sidelines. Okay, maybe there is the Bill Snyder "old ball" type of coach, but then at least his teams look drilled, prepared, and ready to play. Snyder is like Self, in that they are old-ball coach coaches more so in practice.

Unfortunately, by firing himself as the OC, Weis 'gave away' his supposedly strongest personal attribute (OC), and made himself just an expensive figurehead, and maybe one that hamstrung Reagan with the Cozart Experiment. Let's see what Reagan can do on his own at KU, because we know what he did at Rice on his own. Tell Cummings or Millweard to get Harwell, Pierson, King, and Mundine the football.

Anybody see the Baylor offense last night, and the speed of the reads and throws by the QB? Every spread Offense should watch Art Briles' concept on film. Give credit where true innovation deserves it.

Jack Jones 8 years, 2 months ago

Firing a coach 4 games into the season is just one more indication of a loser, including the AD. There just isn't a rational excuse for doing so, Simply a "for show" decision, which shows only incompetence at the top. KU and SMU ~ linked. Let the coach finish the season, use the time to make a reasoned plan for the future which would include a thorough examination of everyone in the chain of authority and time to do an equally thorough search for the best 'next' coach. It simply damages the University and the football program in terms of the perception that it has truly become a program that many prospective coaches wouldn't touch with the proverbial 10-foot pole. I agree it is a panic decision. Foolish move, Mr. Zenger.

John Waszak 8 years, 2 months ago

PLEASE ENOUGH OF THE MAGINO WHINING! Look, the fighting Mangino's were fun and looked hopeful. But, let's look at the facts. Other than the Orange Bowl season, where we didn't play the top two Big 12 teams that season - Texas & Oklahoma and lost to the 3rd best Mizzou, (7-1 in league) Mangino was mediocre.

In 8 seasons he was 0-8, 3-5, 2-6, 3-5, 4-4 and 1-7 (plus the 7-1 Orange-bowl season) in Big12 play.

In the 7 non-Orange Bowl seasons the hawks had 4 season with ZERO Big12 road wins and 3 seasons with ONLY 1 road win

Really I wish everyone that thinks Mangino was great would just look at his record. Two of the bowl games we entered at 6-6 and 6-5. Really?

ENOUGH ! MOVE ON ! Stop complaining about how the administration and others are happy with mediocrity when all I hear from the "Bring Back Mangino" crowd is a call for a return to mediocrity!

John Waszak 8 years, 2 months ago

Completely agree Brett... Who should be on the short list?

Mark Kostner 8 years, 2 months ago

Kansas is a super elite basketball program but in football they're moribund. Wichita State has a better football program than KU. Really! At least WSU's football program doesn't embarrass the school every week. Is KU committed to doing the things it takes to build a winning or at least a competent football program like spending the money to get the good players and coaches and college sports are semi pros so it really does come down to money. K-State really does have a good football program and Kansas has had some championship Division II teams so it can be done. Do what works.

Randy Bombardier 8 years, 2 months ago

All you trolls from our rivals go away. KU has had some fine moments in its program, has had some super players and is a school better than most in the conference, in one if the most delightful college towns in the country. There is no reason, none, for the University of Kansas to have a sub-par football program. Among all the things going for it KU is blessed to be in neither Oklahoma nor the state of Texas.

Gerry Butler 8 years, 2 months ago

the short list is right john. what asst coach OC or DC would want to come here? and don't give me this crap oh lots of coaches would love the challenge, ya that might be true at a university that the admin backs the coach. but what coach young or old medium old is going here with the knowledge of knowing he has family wife kids to support and he knows full well things are well on their way then in 2 yrs his job is in jeopardy. WHO WANTS THAT? again if anybody even begins to think even if they did try that mark would come back are you SERIOUS? I know if I were him I sure the hell wouldn't I would laugh like another post said right in their face. the players have mentioned it we have NO fan support I mean mass exodus of games at halftime and I'm not just talkin this yr even when we had decent teams it was the same way. and in response to another post saying he thought we were to tough on cozart uh NO he is surpose to be a starting quarterback a D1 quarterback he is surpose to be a leader. is he leading? all I have to say is as long a we continue to play Russian roulette with our coaches every couple of years its going to continue to be this way. somewhere along the line we just HAVE to swallow our crimson and blue pride hire a coach give him that contract that stipulates he is given a 5 yr contract during that time to turn program around with the condition of not having to be worried of being fired. give the coach 5 yrs no matter what, then after the 5 yrs if there has been no progress or improvement or doesn't meet the standards we are looking for then might have to revalute . it didn't get in this shape overnight and its NOT getting fixed overnight.i've been supporting this program for over 50 yrs and will continue to do so. ROCK CHALK

Suzi Marshall 8 years, 2 months ago

With about a 7 million dollar buyout, that means Weise made about 5MM per year. I find the argument about supporting a family weak.

John Waszak 8 years, 2 months ago

right on suzi. my feeling is a coach, like any elite athlete have to have a certain ego / arrogance to believe they can win. That is why we can and should be able to get a really good coach. I'm not sure Clint is the guy, but how nice would it be to see a Kansas man with that kind of passion lead us out of the bottom of football purgatory?

Layne Pierce 8 years, 2 months ago

First of all, I am not going to simply judge progress by number of wins. The most basic thing is is the team well organized, do they do the little basic things right. Are they focused on winning as a mental concept. To win in the Big 12, we are either going to have to outscore, or outdefense other teams. Or we are going to have to outwork them. Fact is, KU right now, cannot do either one. Secondly, we are at the stage, where we need to play well enough not to be embarrassed, let alone to win.

We need to run the clock out on every play. Reduce the game down to a few plays a few minutes. And above all we need a great kicking game, and special teams, and we need an offensive line that can get us enough push for first downs.

whoever we bring in must be able to not do x and os, but understand how to beat other teams. To see their weaknesses and exploit them. And he must be able to inspire his team to perform above their individual abilities.

Secondly, if the team does not quit, the fans should not either. Anyone who leaves before the end of a game should quit calling themselves a ku fan, they are certainly no Jayhawk.

The real test when we get a new coach will be what we the fans do to help, without us, coaches cannot recruit and they cannot inspire.

What Nebraska fans do is they sellout the stadium, and when the product is bad, they stay in the stadium and they boo, and they boo.

All you have to do to figure out what kind of a coach we need is imagine if Bill Self was coaching the football team. Do you think there would be endless mistakes and no performance accountability?

The next coach must succeed and we must all be determined that he will. He must give his all, and we must give ours.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk

John Waszak 8 years, 2 months ago

Just as an personal note: I attended my first KU game in 1973 vs Florida State. I had never heard of the hawks. My sister was an undergrad at FSU and took me for my 13th birthday. The hawks won 28-0. A year later I moved to Kansas and have been a hawks fan every since.

The FSU team in 1973 went 0-11, "74" 1-10, "75" 3-8. In 1976 they hired a young assistant coach from their ranks. Bobby Bowden... Florida State has faired pretty well since that time. I'm not saying this will be our destiny, but, we can always dream! Rock Chalk!

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