Monday, September 16, 2013

Kansas football afflicted with dropsies

Kansas quarterback Jake Heaps is sacked on the final possession by Rice defensive tackle Christian Covington on Saturday, Sept. 14, 2013 at Rice Stadium in Houston, Texas.

Kansas quarterback Jake Heaps is sacked on the final possession by Rice defensive tackle Christian Covington on Saturday, Sept. 14, 2013 at Rice Stadium in Houston, Texas.



Kansas quarterback Jake Heaps is sacked on the final possession by Rice defensive tackle Christian Covington on Saturday, Sept. 14, 2013 at Rice Stadium in Houston, Texas.

It may be too early to make a definitive call on what kind of football team Kansas University has.

But there’s no questioning that two games have been enough to determine the KU offense has a major problem developing: drops.

In each of the Jayhawks’ first two games, dropped passes crippled the offense and made it difficult to find positives in a passing attack that received an offseason makeover. As the incompletions have mounted and the pressure risen, a few KU receivers have taken on the persona of a golfer with the yips.

During a 31-14 season-opening victory over South Dakota, KU’s five drops were more easily forgiven because the Jayhawks never lost control. Saturday night, in a 23-14 loss to Rice in Houston, KU’s four biggest drops were magnified because stone hands too often squashed drives and kept Kansas from getting into an offensive rhythm.

“(That’s) something that you want to capitalize on,” said junior quarterback Jake Heaps, who finished 13-of-28 passing for 157 yards and two interceptions. “You never know when you’re gonna get that opportunity back, and when you have missed opportunities, from whoever it is, it hurts your team because you may be getting something going, and it stalls everything.”

That certainly was the case against Rice. Two of the drops — one by wide receiver Josh Ford and another by tight end Jimmay Mundine — came on third down. Another Mundine muff came late and looked like it might have gone for a touchdown had he caught it. And the fourth drop, which skipped hotly off the hands of James Sims on the series that followed Rice’s regaining the lead, led to a three-and-out.

“There were a couple of really bad drops,” KU coach Charlie Weis said matter-of-factly. “I mean, when you hit a guy in the chest and one running wide-open down the field to score, who knows? You score there, you get the ball back, you might be kicking a field goal at the end of the game, and you win. You just don’t know.”

The issue is a major concern for an offense that is still looking to get on track. Despite the early struggles, the Jayhawks — Heaps in particular — seem confident that the two-game slump is something KU can correct. Asked how, Sims shook his head and gave the only answer that came to mind.

“Just practice and keep working on it,” he said. “That’s all you can do, and we’ll get that fixed.”

As for Mundine, who entered the season poised for a breakout campaign but has quickly become KU’s biggest culprit in the dreaded dropped-passes category, Heaps said his faith in the junior tight end remained strong.

“Absolutely,” Heaps said. “There’s no reason for me to question him, and he’s gonna continue to be one of my go-to guys. I have 100 percent confidence him.”

Tailback Tony Pierson has been the most reliable target for Heaps so far this season — the junior had four catches for 95 yards and a touchdown against Rice — but getting him the ball as much as KU might like has proven difficult at times.

“(Rice) did a good job of paying attention to Tony and what he was doing,” Heaps said. “They really paid attention to where he was at all times. But that opens things up for other guys, and we just have to capitalize on that.”

If history has proven anything, it’s that Weis won’t stand for continued incompetence in the passing game. He hinted at that following Saturday’s loss, but also said that the easiest solution was in the hands of his struggling receivers.

“The first thing we have to do is just get better with the guys we’re playing with,” he said. “But we’ll continue to look at everyone all the time.”


Micky Baker 8 years, 9 months ago

Weis has one opportunity to make play calls that will allow for high percentage pass plays to get these guys some confidence. The receivers, backs, and tight ends need to catch the ball first. Yards after the catch are not nearly as important this coming Saturday. Just get some confidence and give the other team something to have to cover in the passing game even if they are just short passes.

I'm also okay with speeding up the offense when you're moving the ball and don't let the other team get substitutions but the play calls have to be right. Nothing tricky. If Weis can do this and the receivers can just focus on catching the ball and the shorter passes like quick slants, short little stop routes, and if there is a guy that is coming in off the edge, that's the side of the hot route. Empower the players to use their skills. Heaps can get rid of the ball quick if the right plays are called. C'mon Weis. You can do this.

Zenger, I think you need to give Weis an ultimatum. No trickery. Just the types of passes that will get our guys on the outside a chance to succeed. Four wins this year or Weis has to hire an OC and Weis can no longer call the plays except for in situations during a timeout when it's a close game late in which we trail by a touchdown or less. It had better be the right call for the situation and not going for a 50 yard bomb if all you need is 7 yards on 3rd down. Also, how about some of these passes like this on first down so the other team doesn't stack the box. If you don't get the passing game going, it's going to be another rough year. Weis can do way better than this, but I'm questioning now if his ego is in the way. Just win. It doesn't take any thing fancy with these guys. That can come later when you got guys in the system for more than a year. Just win.

Adam Miller 8 years, 9 months ago

"Four wins this year or Weis has to hire an OC..." -- couldn't agree with this more.

Jack Joiner 8 years, 9 months ago

I agree, an AD has no place telling a HC how to coach his team.

texashawk10 8 years, 9 months ago

Normally, I would disagree with an AD getting involved with something like that, but Zenger does have experience as a football coach so he does have some perspective on the situation that most AD's don't have. I would agree with not giving Weis an ultimatum, but I think Zenger's football background would allow him to talk to Weis without totally undermining Weis's authority with the football team.

Terry N Tom Denner 8 years, 9 months ago

Does Zenger have a Super Bowl Ring ?? Enough said !!!

Micky Baker 8 years, 9 months ago

Of course Zenger should have a say. If Weis isn't getting it done as OC, then something's gotta give.

The Lew vs Mangino situation wasn't all on Lew. Gray-Little had a lot to do with that and that is why Lew bailed and he gave Gray-Little Turner Gill as a "if this is what you want, you got it". Then Lew bailed.

That isn't even close to being the same thing as telling CW to hire an OC.

How about calling Mark Mangino and hiring him as OC? That won't be allowed by Gray-Little. But he would be good at it with this bunch of kids.

Jim Jackson 8 years, 9 months ago

I concur on the play calling; Rice was stacking the box with 9 defenders and tackling us for a loss, frequently.

Never called a play action. Just awful play calling.

machinegun 8 years, 9 months ago

Stop making excuses for Charlie Weis. He is the head coach. He is being paid millions of dollars to produce a winning team. The players work for free, they bust their butts all week (3 hours on Sunday?), and then they go out and give it their best each and every week. Weis will throw anybody under the bus to deflect attention away from his own failure to produce a winning team. These are college kids working hard to win games not NFL players making millions just to show up and dance when they make a play.

The Weis apologists continue to plead for more time claiming that those who would dare to point out his numerous coaching shortfalls are not true KU fans. Stuff like, Charlie needs 5 years to build a winning team. Absurd suggestion on the face of it. Mangino did it two.

If Zenger's plan is to let Charlie drag this out like some kind of research project, both of them will be looking for new gigs elsewhere. Zenger just got a pay increase and contract extension from the administration for who knows what reason. The new track is on the outskirts of town and the local developer got a nice sweetheart deal apparently without any meaningful competition. This is a recipe for disaster based on simple economics, certainly not the kind of business decision that warrants any kudos. Remember, that it was not a fully transparent transaction. That is always a red flag.

Zenger has no time to fiddle frick around. Get it, fiddle frick. Memorial Stadium needs to be filled with paying customers (i.e., adoring fans). Ticket revenue and alumni support are crucial to renovating Memorial Stadium which is rapidly advancing toward its 100th Anniversary. KU fans demand a winning football team now not five years from now.

Due to Weis' hubris, he continues to fiddle around with an offense that is viewed by many football analysts as one of the worst in the FBS. Weis apologists always point to the fact that the Preacher was blessed with more talent. Sure, the Preacher was preoccupied with turning the guys into a church choir. However, it also is fair to point out that the team had just lost Reesing and two NFL receivers from Mangino's team.

Charlie has had two 5-star quarterbacks and turned both of them into rambling wrecks. Last time I checked, Dayne was on the NFL roster of the Super Bowl Champion Baltimore Ravens. We should expect more from Weis and judge him just as harshly as the Preacher if not more so. The Preacher got two years. That is all Weis will get if he does not quickly turn things around (or bail out). The word is that he is talking to his NFL buddies about job openings just in case this season goes down the tubes like last year. Weis will not allow himself to get fired like he did at his beloved Alma Mater. Remember Weis is a Notre Dame guy with all of his extensive ties to South Bend. He has his millions and frankly should probably retire due to his poor health.

Cmill1221 8 years, 9 months ago

Wow. I'm not a CW apologist but c'mon. I'm just as pissed about the offense as anyone and believe if things don't get better on that side of the ball we should have an OC calling plays. I don't think you remember how pitiful our defense was under Gill. In 2011 (TG 2nd season)only 3teams failed to score 40 (ISU-13 Baylor-31 Missouri-24). 3 teams scored more than 60 and it would have been 4 but KSU only scored 59. The worst was by far OSU putting up 70!! How soon we forget. The fact that our defense sucked last year but still looked 100% improved should give us hope. We shaved 50 points off if OSU last year and only gave up 20. That should tell you a little something about how horrible our defense was under Gill. The defense looks much improved so far this season, even though it still early. That alone tells me we are moving in the right direction. I would like to see that kind of improvement on the other side of the ball. Stop freaking out. Mangino did go to a bowl in his 2nd season but in his 3ed he only won 4 games. Lets not forget how bad we were when CW took over. There are very few words to describe the gravity of how bad we were. All that being said, I think it's still too early to light the torches and grab the pitch forks but we need to get better on offense.

BringBackMark 8 years, 9 months ago

Could not have articulated it any better. Finally someone else see's through the Zenger smoke screen.

Cmill1221 8 years, 9 months ago

Maybe you should change your name to "Bting back Lew"!

jhox 8 years, 9 months ago

I don't love Weis' play calling, but he's not the guy dropping passes. He's not the guy throwing interceptions. He's not the guy getting man handled on the line of scrimmage and missing blocks. He could, absolutely, be putting his players in a better position to succeed, but they still have to make plays. They're not doing that.

Also, how on Earth is this the AD's fault? Gill (as well as Mangino's last couple of recruiting classes) left us in a huge hole that will take us a long time to crawl out of. How is that this AD's fault? This team is getting better, though it may be slower than we like, but anyone not seeing signs of improvement isn't watching. The Rice loss isn't an embarrassment. That is a pretty solid, veteran loaded team we lost to.

We've got to get out of this quick trigger pattern of firing coaches or were never going to get better. What good coach would want to come to a school with a fan base as quick to want to fire as we've become? Gill absolutely had to go. I wont argue that. Weis is improving the team and deserves at least 4 years to turn things around.

As for the AD, it has been a very long time since we've had someone of his quality in that job. He had a huge financial hole to dig the department out of. Now we're starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel with the new track facilities. Once those are done we can start on the football facilities.

Bryce Landon 8 years, 9 months ago

Well said. Gill was the second coming of Bob Valesente, and we know it took Glen Mason awhile to dig the Jayhawks out of the crater Val left them in.

John Thomas 8 years, 9 months ago

Gill's recruiting class left them in a huge hole?....interesting since CW's best players are Gill recruits (Pierson, Heeney, Reynolds)...what about CW's trashy QBs (Crist and Heaps?. Progress against Rice is not something to be proud of.

Blake Lehning 8 years, 9 months ago

Crist was trashy. But Heaps I would not put him in that category yet. Yes he did have 2 INTs against Rice but the receivers have not really helped him out yet. 9 dropped balls in two games hard to judge the QB.

Micky Baker 8 years, 9 months ago

Gill wouldn't even let Heeney play as a freshman because he said "he's too fast".

John Thomas 8 years, 9 months ago

The point I'm making is that he is a Gill recruit...meaning Gill brought in talent. It's better than the "save the world, supposedly 5 star QBs" CW has brought in...but yet CW is getting a pass for 4-5 years to rebuild

Micky Baker 8 years, 9 months ago

Heeney is is also playing well under this defense, and didn't after a full year under Gill's system. It's pretty silly to sit here and say that Gill did a good job.

Gill left the system in shambles because he sucked at coaching players to play the best that they can, and didn't show an ounce of improvement.

John Thomas 8 years, 9 months ago

Again, you are missing my point. I'm saying some of the players he brought to KU are all conference type players.

Speaking of Heeney, of course he is playing well now. He was only a freshman under Gill so don't you think he would be better now then he would have been as a true freshman.

KU lost their last 7 games before Gill was hired and Mangino didn't leave anything. CW even said at the end of last year that all he had was trash. What players do you think he was talking about?...Mangino's leftovers that were finally gone. Oh yeah, I guess the one win KU got last year was the ounce of improvement you were looking for.

kansasgirl13 8 years, 9 months ago

Let's not forget Darius Willis who played for Gill. He was ranked his first season will Gill (check his stats) and then thrown to the side once Charlie and his boys came in.Not sure why players who get busted for a curfew violation or gets a DUI are playing before others. Why give Charlie 5 years to rebuild? That's crap....just like the offense was on Saturday. The Defense was tired...Charlie should have made some changes. Charlie should have been yelling at his coaching staff and not the refs Saturday.

mahkmood 8 years, 9 months ago

People need to understand the concept of hierarchical responsibility. It is Weis's responsibility to recruit players that can catch and pass, or coach up the players so that they can. A consistent pattern of dropped passes and interceptions on Saturdays is absolutely Weis's fault.

hawk316 8 years, 9 months ago

CW, I tend to agree with you. I think Gill's recruiting while at Kansas is underrated and underappreciated. Granted, there were some other issues during his tenure, but he and his staff were able to land some pretty decent talent in a relatively small window of time.

John Thomas 8 years, 9 months ago

Thank you...that's all I was trying to say...maybe coming from you jayhawkintx1973 can finally comprehend what my point was

If people look at what the actual truth is then you can recognize the problem. Mangino CAN coach. That was not his problem. He just didn't capitalize on that success and recruit well. Gill was left with nothing and didn't win fast enough to get enough of his players in. If you don't have the players, you will lose.

Fortunately for CW, Gill did leave him something so hopefully he can capitalize on that, bring in some of his own people, and turn this thing around.

It doesn't matter what coach you have, if you don't give him time to get talent here, then you will struggle. CW or any coach you bring in will need time though.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 9 months ago

He is the one putting this team together...
Why so many mistakes?

Blake Lehning 8 years, 9 months ago

Machinegun you are right Mangino did do it in two years. But a lot has changed. Mangino didn't have to play OU,OSU, Texas (when they were good) or TAM (when they were in the conference) or Baylor every year. It''s a lot harder now for any coach then it was for Mangino. The team has come along way from where Gill left it. I expect four wins this year more would be great. But by year four if we don't have a winning team Weis will probably need to go. I think you are wrong about Weis being gone after this year if they don't win. KU can't afford to pay off another coach. I think he will get the full five years. I also don't think Weis will leave before his contract is up. If I remember correctly there is a clause that he has to pay back money if he leaves before it is up. Need to look up to be sure.

Jeremy Hays 8 years, 9 months ago

82 I agree... Again I love what Mangino did but the fact that he was:

vs. North 19 21 .475 vs. South 4 20 .167

He only 4 games against the South and during his time it was the end of Snyder saga 1 and the end of Osborne's run meant there wasn't a very good team in the north to compete with so there are very winnable games in 5 weeks and then hopefully get a win from baylor (who was bad) and you are 6-6. If you sneak some wins from non-OU/Tech/Texas -- which Mangino was 0-16 against -- then you go to 8-4, 7-5 etc... Calm yourselves

Bee Bee 8 years, 9 months ago

What has our record been since he left??? I would be more than happy if KU were to, "SNEAK UP" on some teams and go 7-5!!!!!!! I don't remember any KU fans in 2008 bemoaning the fact that KU hadn't beat Texas or OU that year. Or that Nebraska. "wasn't any good" when KU put 70 plus on them. NOBODY cared! KU won the Orange Bow!!!!

C mon man!

Ashwin Rao 8 years, 9 months ago

On an unrelated topic, I do like the white uniforms!

Bee Bee 8 years, 9 months ago

Yes, they look like a surrender flag. Appropriate for this team.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 9 months ago

I didn't want to..I really didn't but I had to click the thumb's up button.

Rock_Chalk_NYC 8 years, 9 months ago

Get an Offensive Coordinator! Our play calling for 14 games under Weis has been atrocious.

Dirk Medema 8 years, 9 months ago

Interesting coincidence that occurred to me was that OSU started winning when the HC gave up playcalling and got an OC.

namohcan_99 8 years, 9 months ago

I'm not sure about the playcalling being attrocious, but it seems Weis needs help and I have never heard of a team having the head coach split duties between his job and the offensive coordinator and having any real measurable success. I'm not sure why we didn't get an OC in place here in year two. Maybe it's because he's going to be groomed to be our next head football coach. I don't know. But at this point, if we can't do better than what we have seen the last two football games, what makes anyone on this staff think they'll have all 5 years to accomplish that goal? Get it fixed now.

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

I don't know Rock_Chalk, it seems as though we are being pretty offensively coordinated right now.

mahkmood 8 years, 9 months ago

I find this recent idea of an offensive coordinator absolutely hilarious. So KU hires a guy that has unproven success as a head coach, but is supposed to be an offensive genius. A more logical perspective is that the team needs a new head coach, not a new offensive coordinator.

hotrodm 8 years, 9 months ago

KU's receivers couldn't catch a cold.

area51 8 years, 9 months ago

Is it basketball season yet? SRDC.......same results......different coach

Mark Lindrud 8 years, 9 months ago

If the coaches are as good as they're supposed to be then they should be good enough to know the play calling needs to be changed. Shorten certain routes and don't make every pass play call for what sems like a deep pass. The college game today is 5-10 yard pass plays, screens, play actions, counters, and the occasional toss play instead of going up the gut and chucking the ball down the field.

troutsee 8 years, 9 months ago

More than half the posters on this board say run, run, run. Okay. So we have good backs, but we also have a guy that can throw the ball. Unless we mix it up and keep other defenses off balance, our offense will continue to falter.

This whole fire-Weis stuff comes from the crazies.

However, the La Tech game just became our most important game of the year. I watched La Tech play Tulane the other night, and Tulane manhandled them and the La Tech QB looked horrible. If we don't win this game......

Mark Lindrud 8 years, 9 months ago

I agree we can't just run the ball and next weeks's game gained even more importance. We need to make some adjustments offensively, and I do believe a lot of our issues are fixable. If Weis sticks with the status quo then we will become highly predictable and easy to defend. I'm proud of how our defense has come along though.

Al Martin 8 years, 9 months ago

This was the most disheartening aspect of the game for me. I didn't think that my expectations of the o-line were that unrealistic coming in to the season. We did replace a lot, but with everybody on the Holsopple regimen, I did not expect the o-line to be physically over-matched against a mid-major team.

Yes, there's still time in the season for improvement, but this was very disappointing to see. The offense can't go anywhere unless this is fixed.

JayHawkFanToo 8 years, 9 months ago

Nicely stated Ralster. Let's give HC Weis and the team a change to get their act together. I always thought it would be a 5 years rebuild effort so I am not terribly worried at this point.

troutsee 8 years, 9 months ago

If Akron can play with the big boys, why not KU? Why? Why? Why?

namohcan_99 8 years, 9 months ago

Yes, anything can happen, but I wouldn't go so far as to imply KU was in anyway in control of that Rice game. They never had control of that game, and never had Rice 'beat.'

Micky Baker 8 years, 9 months ago

Yes, we had Rice beat last year, and without any dropped balls against Rice this year, we would have won again. At least two of those were going for big gains if not TDs. The first one against Rice was when Pierson heard foot steps and stopped, but the defender took a bad angle to the ball. If he would have kept running his route, TD. He missed it because he pulled up short on the route.

Now, the one in the fourth quarter to Mundine is obvious. That would have been a TD and that would have at least changed the approach after we were down by 9 because we wouldn't have been down by 2.

The other one was in the first quarter when he had it, and again the defender was in no position to make a play if he had caught the ball and there were blockers in front and only 3 defenders down field but only one on the side of the play.

Another one that irked me was Heaps second INT. McKay didn't even make an effort to make a play on the ball like make adjustment. So what if he get's an offensive PI, prevent the interception. McKay had the size advantage and he really only had to adjust a while the ball was about half way there, slow down, then go up and get the ball. That could have resulted in a TD as well because the defender would have most likely fell down fighting for the ball and McKay catches it and keeps his balance, there was no over the top coverage there, no help at all. This one could also go on Heaps as well. If it wasn't there, don't force it.

It was also a poor play call there. We didn't need to go get it all right there. We were never down more than 7 until late. Keep the drives alive, and we win at least 4 games this year. If they're going to stack the box to stop the run, then we're going to have to either motion guys in to occupy a defender or pull away from the side where the defense. This means that Weis is going to have to give Heaps some freedom to audible and every play book has this flexibility. If they're going to stack the box, Heaps just back pedals and the blockers let the defenders through and then there will be at least one back wide open with blockers in front who only need to block 3 guys. Burn a team with some long touchdowns on a play like that 2 or 3 times, they're going to back off. Play calling is the main reason our offense struggled Saturday. Weis seems reluctant to empower the players to make the right decisions based on what they're coached to read. If they aren't empowered, the improvement is going to come much slower. Also, the plays need to come in a lot quicker, I mean, they could be giving Heaps the play within 5 seconds after the last play was done.

Andy Godwin 8 years, 9 months ago

What many fail to recognize with the receiving core is that dropping passes is only one of the problems. As demonstrated on Saturday, the receivers are having a difficult time getting open, thus leading to Heaps getting constantly harassed and sacked. Rice had good cover corners, but if this is an indication of the receivers ability to get separation from the defenders, then it will only get worse once the Big XII season starts.

Dirk Medema 8 years, 9 months ago

Route running

There was one play in the 2nd half that they showed on replay where Heaps had a ton of time, and even rolled R to get more time. The announcers said it was a play designed for a short pass to Pierson in the L flat. That was exactly where Pierson ran and stopped and stood there watching for the remainder of the play and made no further effort to get open. The other receivers did little more. There is coaching involved with route running, etc., but every kid that has ever played in their backyard knows to keep running trying to get open somewhere.

jaymar74 8 years, 9 months ago

The turn around under Mangino started with the defense. I do not think we are talking enough about the fact Rice scored 16 points on offense. Rice has averaged over 30 points for over a year and their offense is all Juniors and Seniors

Bryce Landon 8 years, 9 months ago

Enough will never be said about Dexter McDonald because he plays for a team that the national media considers irrelevant.

Al Martin 8 years, 9 months ago

Don't blame the national media. We are irrelevant.

alittlecurious 8 years, 9 months ago

Aren't our high rankings somewhat misleading due to having a first week bye???

Micky Baker 8 years, 9 months ago

No, because they don't get a 0 yard allowed for a bye week.

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

(Regarding Mundine)

“Absolutely,” Heaps said. “There’s no reason for me to question him, and he’s gonna continue to be one of my go-to guys. I have 100 percent confidence him.”

Jake is in the wrong bidness. But he's gonna make one darn fine politician some day.

Dirk Medema 8 years, 9 months ago

You're more PC.

I was thinking there are what, 4 good reasons to question him.

kureader 8 years, 9 months ago

... as always, I like your sense of humor.

Though, I doubt Heaps would give the same answer "off the record" or after a couple beers. Problem is, it's hard to single out Mundine.

hawkone 8 years, 9 months ago

KU has to find a way to get the ball in McCay's hands. He seems to be as open as any of the other recievers, but not getting much attention. I thought I recalled hearing that Heaps and McCay had great chemistry.

Steve Corder 8 years, 9 months ago

Have not been able to see the first two games where I live, but I share in the frustration expressed. However, it only takes a couple of catches to change a game, and in this case a confidence boost is as needed as anything.

A coach never looks better than when a player makes a play.

By-the-way, these posts are NOTHING compared to what our Orange Blood, UT , brethren are going through.

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

Yeah. I feel for them.

Their record since 2002 : W 112, L 30. 10 Bowl appearances (Bowl record of 8-2 with 1 National Championship).

Our record since 2002 : W 56, L 78. 4 Bowl appearances (Bowl record of 2-2).

I don't know how they can stand the pain.

Bryce Landon 8 years, 9 months ago

Wrong. We are 3-1 in bowl games since 2002

Lost to NC State in Tangerine Bowl Won over Houston in Ft. Worth Bowl Won over Virginia Tech in Orange Bowl Won over Minnesota in Insight Bowl

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

Ruh roh.

I am thoroughly embarrassed now. But the silver lining here -

we have lost fewer bowl games than Texas since 2002 !!!!

We ROCK !!!

I guess we shouldn't change a thing.

NebraskaJayhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

Guys...we cannot afford another coaching change right now. And I'm not talking financially. So anyone that's suggesting a coaching change, please stop. I think pretty much everyone is baffled by some of the play-calling Saturday night. I know I was and continue to be, but this program needs some stability. Give Weis his five years and let's see where it goes from here.

Dirk Medema 8 years, 9 months ago

Hopefully, there is something definitive in less than 5 years, but you are absolutely correct that only trouble comes from such talk 2 games into the second season. A 4th coach in 4 years could kill the program - even 3 in 4 has us gasping for air.

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

Well said dagger.

My only question is, would a 4th coach in 4 years be considered Killing the program


putting it out of it's misery?

(I'm not REALLY this negative about football, but dang it, all these years of ineptitude are starting to take their toll)

Nicholas Cederlind 8 years, 9 months ago

I hope coach doesn't use his K-Mart sale on "hands" comment this week because butterfingers wasn't the problem. Our guys should have dropped those balls because they couldn't even get in FRONT of it. We need better position, not better hands.

shelleysue 8 years, 9 months ago

My grandson said he was going to buy a bunch of velcro and wrap the receivers in it

Marc Frey 8 years, 9 months ago

The drops are frustrating, but seems to me, if we had made most of those catches, we would not be on HCCW's ass so much. Those drops stlled drives, took potential scores off the board, and gave the other team a possesion. There are a couple of other issues...stopping the option, that we need to work on. Other than that...I think we can still pick up a couple more wins. We are not the only Big 12 team struggling. Lets take advantage of it.

Chase Topliff 8 years, 9 months ago

Maybe it has already been discussed somewhere on the site since the game, but I need to ask anyways.

Marquel Combs was tweeting during the game. Did he not even travel?


Blake Lehning 8 years, 9 months ago

He did not travel with the team. No no one knows the reason why. Hopefully Tait will get some answers at the next press conference and let us know. My opinion I'm thinking maybe a redshirt year.

Lance Cheney 8 years, 9 months ago

I haven't seen anybody make this point yet, so here goes: I went back and watched the Tony Pierson TD (I wasn't able to watch the whole game but had it DVR'ed), and the only reason he scored is because the Rice defender didn't wrap him up at all (possibly due to injury - I'm not sure if he got injured before or after the missed tackle). If they make that tackle, which they should have, we only have a gain of about 5 or 6, and we probably don't even score a TD on that drive (based on our offensive performance), and lose 23-7. Is that not frustrating/concerning to anyone else, or is it just me?

Blake Lehning 8 years, 9 months ago

You can't look at just that. If a lot of things would have gone different the outcome might have changed. If Mundine would have caught that pass when he was wide open he would have scored. Game would have been 21-23 could have gone for a field goal at the end. We had five dropped passes on third down that would have kept the ball alive, we could have scored or kicked a field goal on those possesions if we just caught the ball. So I wouldn't get to frustrated over that when many worse things happened.

Lance Cheney 8 years, 9 months ago

True, but you gotta admit that TD was a gift. Well, somewhat a gift. Pierson's speed is what made it a TD. Any other player probably would've been run down after a big gain. So maybe I am wrong. On another note, which has already been brought up before, why don't we run Pierson at RB more? He can still spread out and run routes if needed, but give him the ball more, no matter what it takes.

Micky Baker 8 years, 9 months ago

Not really, you kind of expect Pierson to make a guy miss and he did.

Lance Cheney 8 years, 9 months ago

All the more reason to let him touch the ball more than 4 times a game.

Lance Cheney 8 years, 9 months ago

Correction: 5 times a game. 4 receptions and 1 carry. Nevertheless...

Lance Cheney 8 years, 9 months ago

But he didn't actually make the guy miss by any special talents, the guy fell into him without wrapping up, and looked like a dead fish while doing it. There was no juke move or anything on Pierson's part, just good luck.

Micky Baker 8 years, 9 months ago

Maybe he's stronger than he was, he's put on some pounds too.

Steve Reigle 8 years, 9 months ago

What's the story on Cox? Last I heard he was good to go for the Rice game. Did I miss something?

DaNeille Dani Davis 8 years, 9 months ago

You guys are killing me! Why does everyone always call for the coaches head on a platter the minute things go wrong? Jesus! Come one now! CW has been here one year and two games. What the hell are you expecting? A frickin miracle? Why can't you just support the team and coaches we have now and let them fix their mistakes? Support your Jayhawks! Not bash them after every game! Geez! Rock Chalk! Always a or lose!

shufly 8 years, 9 months ago

Disappointed but encouraged. I saw a defense that was much improved and still strong in the fourth quarter, special teams that looked damn good to me and an offense that appeared to have the ability to win at Rice. Offensive lines take time to gel and this one should improve with each game. The running game is sound and the passing game can be good with surer hands. CW/Campo have definitely turned the program in an upward direction. Feel for those of you still waiting for the elevator (it don't work), take the stairs and enjoy the progress.

Tony Bandle 8 years, 9 months ago

It took three years to tear this program down...isn't it logical that it will take at least that long to build it up again???

As an architect, trust me on this...demolition is a lot easier than construction!!!

Tony Bandle 8 years, 9 months ago

PS By the way, the white on white did look pretty sharp!!

Sparko 8 years, 9 months ago

The 57-yard field goal was a morale killer. The guy has more 50+ yard FGs than most of the NFL. Why he is at Rice is an eternal mystery. Rice will founder back into obscurity next season--KU scheduled at the worst possible time. Still should have won. Better play calling and better effort are needed.

Reuben_J_Cogburn 8 years, 9 months ago

This is embarrassing....again.

And every year we set ourselves up for the same embarrassment.

No more "well, Turner Gill left us in a hole" jargin. This coaching staff has to do something right now, or we're going to quickly become the K-State of the modern era (if we're not already).

Is Weis a good coach? I have no idea. I'll tell you one thing though, he's a heck of a salesman. He had this university and fanbase sold on a product that doesn't exist.

The best thing I can say is that defense did their part...couldn't ask any more of them. They just couldn't do it at the end; after an entire game spent keeping us in it.

The scary thing is we have one of the best stable of running backs in the league, yet we couldn't run. That is the truly startling part about this loss.

I can't jump off board just yet, but this team needs to reach deep and find something...and I mean right now. You call me a pessimist, but you know exactly how quick a season can spiral out of control. You've seen it, just like I have.

Like it or not, we're in this thing. Pick youselves up and dust yourselves off. Get ready for next week.

It's time to right this ship; not just for pride, respect, or recognition....but for the sheer survival of the entire athletics progam. We stay a 2-win team for the next two or three years and conference realignment happens again....say good bye to the glory of KU basketball.

...we'll be fightin Eustachy at Colorado State for bragging rights in the Mountain West.

Michael Luby 8 years, 9 months ago

Well, if KU cant beat a mid major, its safe to wrap the season up now. Throw the towel in fellas, good try, maybe next year. I mean, how likely is it that the defense can carry them through the conference, especially when every other team we will play is better, much better? Just sayin.

Reuben_J_Cogburn 8 years, 9 months ago

can't tell if that's sarcasm or not, but you make a good point.

MartyrMangino 8 years, 9 months ago

Call me crazy, but I believe there are some positive things to take away from the Rice game.

Our defense looks to be progressing ahead of schedule, even without many of the heralded recruits and our special teams play appears to be much improved from last year.

Unfortunately, I don't think that we are going to be able to run the ball very effectively until we prove that we can pass the ball. It isn't as simple as some are suggesting that we should just abandon passing and try to run right over teams. We don't have a credible passing game and there are a lot of players on our O-Line without much experience.

We all would like to be beyond the simple installation of a credible passing game, but that is not easy to do when you have a brand new O-Line, a new quarterback who hasn't played in a couple years, and middling talent at the receiver position. Our passing offense last year was almost historically bad; it is going to take some time to stop that runaway train.

I am feeling positive about this team because if the defense can keep improving, we should have something to build on. Back in the Mangino era, the defense came first and once the offense had talent to match the defense we took a big step forward. I have my own doubts about running a pro-style offense at KU, but I don't feel like we have had the caliber of player Weis envisions running it. We may never get that caliber of player.

Remember 06-07. There were so many games we should have won because we just couldn't put it all together yet. We will get there, but we need something to build on. Hopefully our defense and special teams will provide that stability.

P.S. Ben Heeney is a terrific player

Reuben_J_Cogburn 8 years, 9 months ago

Somethin to think about....just for "what if's" sake.

Heaps seems to be a great person and a great leader; with the ability to be a great football player. As are many of the guys on our team. But maybe that type of player doesn't work with KU.

Obviously we have to revert back to the Orange Bowl year to find a sampe. But think about those players. Think about Reesing.

It wasn't just about finding diamond-in-the-rough players from a talent was really more about attitude. We had a group of guys who didn't have as much talent, speed, strength, or over all ability as anyone they played.

But what we had was a group of players with an enormous chip on their shoulders. Something I haven't seen from a KU team since Mangino...a killer mentality. It made up for the talent discrepancy.

Heaps is more athletic and more dignified than Reesing ever was. But Reesing had a severe case of "little man" syndrome, and wouldn't stop until he proved himself better than his opponents.

Maybe that's the type of player we need to be successful at KU. Not the high-caliber, pedigree groomed QB...but the fiesty little jerk who just won't quit.

I direct this at Heaps, who I respect, but it could be true accross the board. We haven't had spirit or fight in a long time. Just a continuous group of guys who have gotten used to losing.

Lance Cheney 8 years, 9 months ago

I wouldn't say Heaps is more athletic than Reesing. Not even close. He might be a better passer, but he's not more athletic. Few people could avoid sacks with their feet the way Reesing could, then find the open receiver downfield. It really was quite awesome to watch. I just didn't truly appreciate it at the time as much as I do now that it's gone... (tear runs down face)

Bee Bee 8 years, 9 months ago

Mangino is still laughing. What a mean guy he was to his players. KU is much better off with NICE GUYS for coaches. Things have been great since the big man left.

Another one win season, dead ahead.

Terry N Tom Denner 8 years, 9 months ago

CW needs to just own up and let someone up in the Booth to tell him what plays to run on OF and on top of that the receivers need to get the bugs out of their butts and start catching the ball. Heap is doing his job and fine one at that.

CHEEZIT 8 years, 9 months ago

"Did you see that pile of crap out there" Yes I did and your the head coach of it!!!

CHEEZIT 8 years, 9 months ago

How many loses will it take before he says that about this years team? Rice put out pretty much the same team as last year. We were suppose to be vastly improved! What was the result?

Micky Baker 8 years, 9 months ago


Zenger has a responsibility to make sure the head coach get's it done, and if CW can't get it done by trying to balance HC with OC, then hire an OC.

Charlie is crossing the line on his own ambitions in one of two ways.

  1. He is trying to install the pro type offense but not calling the plays that leverages the skills that our players have.

  2. He is too wrapped up in Head Coaching responsibilities to be able to game plan properly.

How times do you think you can have this both ways?

JayHawkFanToo 8 years, 9 months ago

ralster, you are on fire today, I agree with everything you posted.

Andrew Fry 8 years, 9 months ago

Do we need to put out a search and rescue team for Justin McCay? We have 3 potential all-conference players (Pierson, Sims, McCay), and it seems we can only get the ball to two of them. Is McCay injured? Is he not as good as advertised (see also Crist)? Does Heaps not have confidence him? Is HCCW not have confidence in him and not running plays in his direction? Some how, some way we have GOT to get the pass game going. Its the only way we can open running lanes for Sims and Pierson. #ROCHCHALK!

KURiggins 8 years, 9 months ago

Mundaine sucks. Bench him. Heaps is a good qb..if..if we can get a decent ol and suit up a new TE who wont cost us a game. Lets stop lying Mundaine dropped a peeeerrrfect pass from Heaps that would have led to a win. He sucks bench him Charlie. Heaps is a great qb..his stats dont show it because his line needs a lot of work and TE sucks

KURiggins 8 years, 9 months ago

And kudos to pur def that gave us plenty, plenty of chances. Line sucks and get a new TE

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