Tuesday, November 19, 2013

Notebook: Self keeps Greene out of win over Iona


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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

Bill Self says Joel Embiid and Perry Ellis were by far KU's best in win over Iona

Bill Self says Joel Embiid and Perry Ellis were by far KU's best players in win over Iona

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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

Perry Ellis, Joel Embiid and Frank Mason share their thoughts on KU's 20-point win over Iona

Perry Ellis, Joel Embiid and Frank Mason share their thoughts on KU's 20-point win over Iona

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Kansas 86, Iona 66

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Kansas University freshman Brannen Greene was the only Jayhawk to not play in Tuesday’s 86-66 victory over Iona in Allen Fieldhouse.

KU coach Bill Self was asked Greene’s inactivity was injury related.

“Not really. He has had a minor injury that’s been nagging him, (but) that was my decision,” Self said of sitting the wing. “I love Brannen Greene, but he needs to be more responsible taking care of some responsibilities off the court. By no means is he in trouble or anything like that. We just need to make sure we are all on the same page,” Self added.

Frankamp solid first half: Freshman guard Conner Frankamp hit a three and had a steal in nine minutes the first half. He played one minute the final half.

“Conner was our best defender the first half. He did the best job on Armand (Sean, 14 points) when he was guarding him the first half,” Self said. “I told him after the game I wish I’d played him the second half. I thought he was good the first half.”

Foul trouble: Senior power forward Tarik Black was in foul trouble for the third straight game. He had one point and a board in nine minutes.

“It’s something we’ve got to study. We need him to be better,” Self said. “He’s thinking too much instead of playing. He needs to have some success. He knows he can do better than what he’s done. We do too because he’s practiced consistently pretty well since he’s been here.”

CU women to have big crowd because of KU: The University of Colorado obviously wants a big crowd for today’s 8:30 p.m., women’s basketball game against Iowa. CU students must attend the game in order to claim their tickets for the CU-KU men’s game on Dec. 7.

According to ESPN, CU students will enter through the southeast entrance of the Coors Events Center beginning at 7:30 p.m. Students will swipe their Buff OneCard and receive a wristband, which they must wear to the game. The wristband guarantees a ticket to the KU game. If a Buffs’ student leaves the Events Center prior to the conclusion of the game, ESPN says, the wristband will be removed.

To land the CU-KU tickets, Colorado students must head to the court immediately following the women’s game, where they redeem their wristband for a ticket.

The plan has received mixed reviews.

“It's an OK idea but a lot of my friends have an actual calc exam that night at 8. So now they can’t get Kansas tickets? That's a load of bleep,” one CU student wrote at

It remains to be seen how many KU fans from Denver and Western Kansas will attend the KU-CU game this season. For years, when CU was in the Big 12, KU fans accounted for more than half of the building.

However, this year, for the first-time ever, men’s basketball tickets at the Coors Events Center are sold out for the 2013-2014 season (all 18 home games). Some individual game tickets for all games are available, except for KU, Arizona, UCLA and Oregon, which are sold out. Coors Center seats 11,064.

There have been reports of KU fans buying Buffs’ season tickets just to get into the game.


Benz Junque 8 years, 10 months ago

KU is not the place to be flaking out on your off-court responsibilities, especially when you face a lot of battles for playing time. I hope this is something as simple as making sure that class is attended and work is completed. There's a bench full of guys that are more than happy to take Greene's minutes. Buckle down, young man...

Suzi Marshall 8 years, 10 months ago

Anyone know if those off court Greene issues have anything to do with his temper tantrums and going around slamming doors? Gotta love the energy but at 19.....? Love you Brannen but it's time to work on maturing.

Phil Leister 8 years, 10 months ago

Suzi do you have some inside info that we don't know about?

John Randall 8 years, 10 months ago

Phil, I believe the lady said what she will. Gossip mongers aren't the most popular folks on this board, and I hope it gets more that way.

Coach Self said he needs to see improvement in meeting responsibilities. That's good enough for me.

Joe Ross 8 years, 10 months ago

Disagree with John Randall. Suzi if you have the dish why dont you share?

W Keith Swinehart II 8 years, 10 months ago

Conner impressed me in his brief appearance. Especially his defensive activity.

Ron Franklin 8 years, 10 months ago

I have a hard time believing a 4 point student with an offer from Harvard is having trouble with his classes, but I guess anything is possible.

Jonathan Allison 8 years, 10 months ago

My guess is that it's related to his late night, parked car incident over the summer.

I have no reason to suspect that other than that coach Self has done similar things when former players missed their court dates or whatever.

Could just be typical type "growing pains" resulting from being away from home, having a great deal of freedom and local fame, combined with the frustration of battling for mop up minutes when he's accustomed to MVP status.

It's reasonable that he could be skipping class... he probably is advanced enough as a student that he isn't worried about failing, but the coach's expectation is that he WILL attend class whether he's making an A+ or a C-. If that's the case, then Bill Self's answer of "bench him till he figures out that going to class is important" will probably work quickly.

Most likely it's not going to be a big deal going forward. And I highly doubt that he'll be airing his grievances on twitter in the Rio Adams way.

Perhaps he's just in the "toughening box". Bill Self could be testing his mettle.

Of course we all know that Bill Self is still looking for 1 or 2 more recruits this year, and if Selden and/or Embiid choose to continue their education next year then someone else could get "homesick" come March or April.

All of our young guys have so much promise that I really hope we don't lose anyone. Greene has an NBA level stroke. Consistent, single motion, high release, highly accurate. He will learn to get it off faster. He could be a Danny Granger or Tayshaun Prince type NBA player one day. He'll hit some big shots for KU this year and even more as he continues to develop.

Tony Bandle 8 years, 10 months ago


brannen will learn his lesson and allwillbefine. conner'stimemay come sooner than we all thought and to think not long ago he was the popular choice as thejayhawkmostlikelyto redshirt. tarik better fix his fouling toute suit because the sound he hears behind him is the slapofjojo'ssneakers gaining p.t. colorado finally has something going in basketball but of course, what do you expect..theircoachisajayhawk :). w keith..godblessbothofyou walking the face of this planet with that name.

happy celebrateeecummingsday!!

Waylon Cook 8 years, 10 months ago

“It's an OK idea but a lot of my friends have an actual calc exam that night at 8. So now they can’t get Kansas tickets? That's a load of bleep,” one CU student wrote at

Stay classy Buffs. You going to chant "fu ck Kansas" again?

Len Shaffer 8 years, 10 months ago

In all fairness to CU, you can't blame students for being upset about the situation. They should find a way to make exceptions for students who have tests at that time.

Shannon Gustafson 8 years, 10 months ago

Anyone know why Andrew White III is getting so few minutes? Currently he's playing the 9th most minutes (about the same as Frankcamp). Coming into the season (and after the first game) it appeared he was the 6th man and Self loved him...then against Duke and Iona he's played very little. His stat line was very good tonight considering he only played 8 minutes (6pts, 2 blocks, 2-3 from the field, 1-2 from three). Is he in the doghouse or what? Against Duke I thought HCBS was just playing matchups and White didn't match up well but against Iona I can't fathom that's the case.

Tony Bandle 8 years, 10 months ago

Think about who he subs for [Wiggins, Selden] and maybe if those guys are on their game, there's no opportunities for AWIII except to give the first teamers a breather.

6 looks like Mason, #7 looks like Embiid, #8 looks like Traylor, #9 looks like...well, just about where he is now..AWIII. And that may shift even further back as Greene and Frankamp gain experience.

It's a combination of numbers [deep bench] and position [two of the best players at his spots].

Tony Bandle 8 years, 10 months ago

Oh Crap...sorry.....forgot about the leadoff number/ mega-godzilla type face!!!

Aaron Paisley 8 years, 10 months ago

I would say that Embiid is probably the 6th man, but that's just because Black can't stop fouling people just like at Memphis. A is the first big guard off the bench and Mason is the first small guard off the bench. Right now, it's all about match ups and White is in a spot where he's behind 2 guys that can play the 3 at the college level which hurts his minutes when Self plays Tharpe and Mason together.

Shannon Gustafson 8 years, 10 months ago

Good insight guys. Looks like Wiggins and Selden are averaging 30 min per game which leaves a total of 20 minutes of backup minutes for the wing spots. This is shared currently by AWIII (10min), Frankamp (9min), Greene (5min), and Mason (18min) in some instances when playing with Tharpe rather than backing him up. Looks like Tharpe plays 28 min per game so that leaves 12 minutes for Mason or Frankamp at the point.

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