Sunday, May 26, 2013

KU’s Self, others not fans of college basketball transfer rule

Kansas head coach Bill Self calls a play during the second half on Tuesday, Dec. 18, 2012 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas head coach Bill Self calls a play during the second half on Tuesday, Dec. 18, 2012 at Allen Fieldhouse.


Indiana, Memphis, Oregon, Pittsburgh and yes, Kansas University are some of the schools that have profited this offseason from a controversial rule that lets basketball players transfer and become immediately eligible as long as they have earned an undergraduate degree.

The rule, which has sent Memphis’ Tarik Black to KU and George Washington’s Dave Pellom to Memphis — also Arizona State’s Evan Gordon to Indiana, UNLV’s Mike Moser to Oregon and Marshall’s DeAndre Kane to Pitt — likely will be rescinded by next season.

Why? The National Association of Basketball Coaches, of which KU’s Bill Self is a board member, dislikes the spirit of the rule.

“We have benefited. We’ve had others benefit who we compete against. I think it’s a bad rule,” KU coach Bill Self said Friday on Andy Katz’s ESPNU college basketball show.

“You applaud anyone that can get their degree early. I am not knocking that at all,” Self added. “You look at it from the big picture. If you are a mid-major and you sit (red-shirt) a guy because it’s best for his life and he graduates after four years, you have to re-recruit him just to get him to come back to your school if he’s any good at all. I think it’s a bad rule,” Self repeated.

Coaches believe high-major schools are tempted to raid mid-majors for seniors who are immediately eligible.

“When you get to the point you are potentially recruiting kids off other kids’ campuses, I think it’s a big-time negative situation,” Self said, also recognizing potential problems with a rule that allows players to transfer and be immediately eligible for family reasons if they transfer to a school within 100 miles of their hometowns.

“I think there are so many things that create a competitive advantage ... (kids say) ‘If it doesn’t work out, I’ll just go back home or I’ll transfer.’ I think it gives kids so many easy ways out as opposed to fighting through it. It (rescinding the rule) would probably be good for the overall betterment of our game.”

In most instances, players must sit out a year — that is practice but not play in games — if they choose to switch schools.

“There’s nothing wrong with transferring and sitting a year,” Self said. “Guys who have received their bachelor degrees, more times than not I’d think it’d take more than one year to receive your master’s (degree). If that’s the case, sit out and get your master’s if that’s important to you.

“You can’t knock kids who do it because the rules allow it. You can’t knock colleges for accepting them because rules allow it.”

Arizona State coach Herb Sendek is also against allowing players to transfer and be immediately eligible if they are armed with a degree.

“The rule in most cases is not being used as intended and is clearly adding to the widespread free agency in college basketball,” Sendek told ESPN.

Noted Syracuse’s Jim Boeheim: “We’ve just got into an area of unintended consequences. The rule was for if a kid really wanted a different academic program. Now it has gotten to be a strictly playing situation.”

This to ESPN from Wisconsin’s Bo Ryan: “I positively believe a fifth-year guy should not be able to play right away. All they’re doing is looking at curriculum, finding a program that a school doesn’t have. Are they really trying to get a master’s degree? Or is it, ‘Maybe my team isn’t as good and we lost a lot and I want to be in the NCAA Tournament next year and ...’ There’s a market out there for this. You take guys through summer school and give them every academic advantage and then they graduate and then they can just go to another school.

“(This) isn’t what college athletics was meant to be. How about the guy leaving his teammates and the coaching staff that developed him?” Ryan added.

Former Memphis guard Antonio Barton today will become the latest player to benefit from the rule. Barton, a senior, will announce for either Maryland, Kansas State, Tennessee or Texas A&M.; He has a degree, thus will play in games during the 2013-14 season.


Gavin Fritton 9 years, 4 months ago

Yes. God forbid that these "student-athletes" who have earned their degrees and have eligibility remaining be able to use that eligibility to search for the situation they think best suits them and provides them the best chance to maximize their skills and talents. Can't have that. It violates the spirit of the rule. Because the NCAA says that the purpose is to get these kids a degree. And when that purpose is met, they have an obligation to do what is best for someone else, not for themselves.

REHawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Lumpy, this is last year's schedule, written in the summer of 2012.

jhox 9 years, 4 months ago

I agree, gavinesq, this is a rare rule that is good for the student athlete. The same student athlete who watches his talents bring millions to a university, but whose only compensation is a scholarship. While I also feel for the coaches, why punish a kid who has worked hard in the classroom and earned the right to pursue a masters elsewhere?

Maybe the answer is to have a committee of coaches decide the merits of such a transfer? If a kid has a 4.0 GPA in business and a chance to get a sports scholarship to pursue a masters at Stanford, they should not be punished by the NCAA. On the other hand, if it is clear the only motivation is purely sports related, then make them sit a year. I'm guessing that, in most cases, the nature of the motivation to transfer would be pretty obvious. I'm not a big fan of more bureaucracy, but this might be a situation where it's justified.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 4 months ago

Nicely stated jhox.

Once a player has his degree in hand, the NCAA needs to step back and allow the player to go wherever he wants.

These players need to be rewarded for their hard work. If the player can enter the NBA, then not allowing him to play at any college without sitting out a year doesn't make much sense.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Whose only compensation is a scholarship. Wow I guess a full ride scholarship isnt that much anymore.

jhox 9 years, 4 months ago

The more I think about it, the more I think the rule should stay as it is. Even if the motivation is clearly sports. If a kid has earned a degree let him declare free agency if he wants to.

I know a motor league baseball player who was playing at a D3 school and in 3 years didn't get a sniff from pro scouts. He transferred to a D1 school, played a year, and landed a minor league contract. Five years later he signed a nearly $30,000,000 contract.

While the transfer rule in question didn't apply to him, it does make me question why a student shouldn't be allowed to do what is in the best interest to improve his chances of having the career he wants, even if that career is sports. If they've earned their degree, give them their freedom if they still have a year of eligibility. There should be no strings attached. If it is a kids last year of eligibility and Calipari recruits a one and done to play the same position, why punish the already graduated senior? It seems to me this is one of the few good rules in terms of favoring the student athlete. Let it stand. They've earned the right.

Gavin Fritton 9 years, 4 months ago

Exactly. He's done everything that's been expected and asked of him. He took a redshirt and maybe he didn't even want to. He studied. He passed his classes and did what the NCAA SAYS he was there to do. I'd say that school and the NCAA have exercised more than enough control over him. Let him make the decision that will benefit him and trust him to know what it is that he needs.

Lonnie Snow 9 years, 4 months ago

Amen I couldn't have said it any better, raid mid major schools? Those kids worked their butt's off and have a chance to better their situation, someone needs to look out for the student over the school sometimes. The school has its money at the gate the student only if they can get a job.

LeadFarmer 9 years, 4 months ago

I don't see how earning a degree in 4 years is early. Perhaps Bill Self should go back to school, then he can learn about hypocrisy. All of these coaches complain about the rule, but I don't see them preventing its continued use under their respective administrations, or refunding the money used to recruit these graduates. Shame on for promoting their hypocritical views and taking a pass on actual journalistic objectiveness.

Jack Jones 9 years, 4 months ago

"Early" only in the sense of the case of the "red-shirt" situation whereby a player is enrolled in school four years, but uses only three years of his/her athletic eligibility ~ graduates in the "normal" 4 years but has 1 year of athletic eligibility remaining. Perhaps you should "go back to school" to grasp this simple concept. "Hypocrisy" ~ hardly. That's the existing rule ~PERIOD. To Self's (and other coaches mentioned) credit, they have expressed clearly that they believe the rule needs to be changed. And, as for your last sentence ~ "Shame on on actual journalistic objectiveness." ~ WHAT? ~ Shame on you for nonsensical gibberish.

LeadFarmer 9 years, 4 months ago

There is no graduating when speaking of athletic eligibility, so obviously I'm talking about academics (but it's okay if you don't grasp the concept of a STUDENT-athlete). It is not a rule, because a rule is something that is required or that must be followed. I don't see where Bill Self has to recruit these types of players, so next time have an actual rebuttal. Since you probably don't understand big words I'll translate it for your middle school-level education, " published an article with a clear bias, highlighting Bill Self's supposed "disapproving" of a NCAA policy, without commenting to his continued use of said policy.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 4 months ago

Good info jackdavid. I didn't realize he had red-shirted one year. I still think he shouldn't be penalized by the NCAA and forced to sit out a year.

Lonnie Ross Dillon 9 years, 4 months ago

What hypocrisy? The rules allow it, and by not doing it you potentially put yourself at a disadvantage. Doesn't mean you have to like it.

LeadFarmer 9 years, 4 months ago

See my statement of "rule" above. But your argument about advantage and disadvantage is completely true, and I agree. However, if you are going to say one thing: Bill Self: "I think it’s a bad rule."; but do another thing: recruit a certain graduated player from Memphis - then you are a hypocrite. I understand it happens all the time, and whether it's right or wrong, to so blatantly discredit the very policy you take advantage of is garbage.

bad_dog 9 years, 4 months ago

Self doesn't care for the one and done rule either. Does recruitng such players also make him a hypocrite?

Jack Jones 9 years, 4 months ago

Farmer ~ How about moving into the real world? It simply is NOT being a "hypocrite" to recruit a player under the existing rule ~ nor is it "garbage" to express the view that the rule is a 'bad' rule and needs to be changed ~~ except of course in your overly sanctimonious point of view. Get real, man ~ save the sermon for the pulpit.

Lash 9 years, 4 months ago

I haven't heard Self condemn some school for using the "rule" to their advantage; that would be hypocritical. Redshirting is more advantegous to the schools than the jocks; exception medical. Schools looking after the school, jocks a way to advance the school.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 4 months ago

Ross..I can see how some might feel that Self is being hypocritical although I disagree. Coach Self says he wants the NCAA to change the rule but then goes on and benefits from the ruling.

I disagree because Self's should always do what's best for KU as long as it is legal to do so. Why handicap yourself? Someone else would be very happy signing him. But we had a need at that position and Self filled it. Maybe getting Tarik Black will help us get another championship.

Personally, I like how it's being done now and hopes the NCAA leaves the ruling as it is.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

It's not early in the context of graduating in a traditional time frame, but it is early in the context of exhausting NCAA eligibility if a player redshirts and is granted a 5th year of NCAA eligibility.

Jeff Kilgore 9 years, 4 months ago

You play by the rules as they are. That's all Self did. He's alerting the NCAA, which made the rule, that it's a bad rule. There's no shame to this at all. It's a loophole that will be closed, and ironically if you read above, it's one rule that actually works in favor for the student athlete, and we have PLENTY of those at Kansas, 27/28 graduating, far higher than the school average. Quit being such a snort. There are much weightier "morality" issues than college basketball. Find it and devote your life to it!

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 4 months ago

jkilgore, "You play by the rules as they are"

You know... .it really is that simple.

TheBoHawk 9 years, 4 months ago

My question is WHY NOW?? Everyone has known this is what was going on...Everyone.. especially the NCAA.. gets to treat this game like a business...EXCEPT FOR THE STUDENT ATHLETES?!!???!!?

Brendan Connolly 9 years, 4 months ago

I assume these same coaches are also in favor of scholarships not being one year renewable and instead length of academic career. One of the worst practices, and we are guilty of it too, is when a coach tells a player they no longer need his service. If an institution can tell a player that they no longer need his service, why should that player be punished for the same thing? How about this change....since the NCAA is so big on institutional control, let's remove all this from individual institutions. All schollies are by NCAA direct. Each institution pays into the schollie fund and the NCAA guarantees scholarships through their length of enrollment in college.

NCAA can then monitor recruiting practices to make sure coaches don't just poach randomly, but the student athlete, who is whom the NCAA should be serving, who appropriately behaves and achieves is free to move. Agreements made are for 4 years or undergrad. If either side violates, they lose that year. So if school rescinds scholarship, they have one fewer that year. If student, they sit out year.

Phil Leister 9 years, 4 months ago

Exactly. A coach can recruit a kid, give him a scholarship, and then pull that scholarship whenever he sees fit. That's fine, and I understand it, but then why does the kid have to sit out a year? Meanwhile, coaches can bounce from one job to the next, possibly receiving a buyout AND a new salary, and coach right away. College athletics is a broken system. The hypocrisy of promoting the "student-athlete" is beyond a joke.

Lash 9 years, 4 months ago

Agree totally. Scholarship indebtedness yearly, yearly by student. Broken system for the student/athlete. Greed has really entered the picture. Colleges are looking out for themselves as never before. This is where some great coaches fell by the way side when winning became every thing.

Benz Junque 9 years, 4 months ago

EXACTLY. Bill Self certainly had no problem with the rule that said he was allowed to tell Rio Adams to go play somewhere else right now. If coaches want the PLAYER to be indebted to the program that took the time to recruit and develop them for the full length of their athletic eligibility then the SCHOOL should be indebted to the player for the full length of his athletic eligibility. THAT is the hypocrisy in the situation.

Jack Jones 9 years, 4 months ago

I believe it was Rio Adams that made the decision first that he wanted to transfer schools ~ the "oops" came second.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 4 months ago

They aren't saying they can't go to school. They just don't get a schollie. Similar to at will employment, if you don't perform well, let's hope your employer has the right to not continue to offer you employment. Why should a player get paid for four years of service when after one it is clear he can't play?

Brendan Connolly 9 years, 4 months ago

Because you recruited him to come to your school. I don't care if he plays either, however your institution should still be on the line for the bill and your teams scholarship should still be used. It is nothing like at will employment. If quit your job or more directly comparable are fired not for cause, restricted from participating in any duties at another employer? When a police officer in New Lennox lets say is laid off because the chief doesn't like him, is he relegated to only desk duty at any other police department across the country.

I think people are thinking of this only in basketball context. It happens a lot more in football. There have been plenty of players "cut" by say an Alabama that then had to sit out a year and still played at major institutions and later went pro. So this rule took a full year of earnings out of their hands.

Phil Leister 9 years, 4 months ago

I'll never give up the fight.

If you're going to write "Indiana, Memphis, Oregon, Pittsburgh and yes, Kansas University", why can't you just leave "university" out and call us Kansas? Why don't you write "university" after the other schools? I just love how the World Journal Lawrence goes out of their way to call our university the wrong name. Really, if you're not gonna call us University of Kansas, then fine. But at least be consistent and make it the same for all schools.

Benz Junque 9 years, 4 months ago

Don't be THAT GUY. It's petty, childish and annoying...

miajhwk 9 years, 4 months ago

dude what do you think KU stands for? old timers call it Kansas University. i'm a legacy alum and my mom writes her donation checks to Kansas University. are you disrespecting my mother? i don't think you would do that.

FarSideHawk 9 years, 4 months ago

i'll agree with the coaches when they start giving out four year scholarships. Also coaches should have to sit out a year if they change jobs.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 4 months ago

So players can't leave early to go pro?

Brendan Connolly 9 years, 4 months ago

Maybe I missed it, did he say coaches can't go pro? If you voluntarily leave acadamia or the realm of the NCAA why should the NCAA have any say?

Michael Auchard 9 years, 4 months ago

If this were a popular blog that took half (all) of its source material from a radio show or other Internet sites, the blog would source that radio show, etc., in hyperlink form. Or it would get yelled at by the //Internet\ profusely.

If that radio show was available for non-exclusive consumption, then this secondary source (the LJW) would and should provide that link.

I'm not bagging on the LJW specifically, but it seems like a common convention these days (and also a decade ago) to link readers to the original source so they can understand fully what the secondary source is quoting completely instead of having to search more. Especially when the secondary source does very little of its own actual reporting, such as here.

tldr? source your articles better

Page Butler 9 years, 4 months ago

I am all for a rule that benefits the student athlete. Yes the students received coaching from a staff for all those years but he isn't property and should not be owned. So many reasons given in this article against the rule and not one reason given for. Sorry coaches, but I think you should quit crying about this one.

hotrodm 9 years, 4 months ago

Make all scholarships for four years, whether a player red shirts or not. As long as he graduates and has elgibility left, he should be free to transfer and play right away. If a coach doesn't want players to graduate and then transfer, then don't red shirt any players. If a player leaves before graduating he then must sit out a year before being elgible to play at his new school.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Why give a schollie to a player that can't play? What if he red shirts a he in on his own his fifth year. What if he goes to graduate schollie?

kj_hawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Lead Farmer - I'm sure you are the type of person who avoids taking advantage of tax deductions such as mortgage interest deduction because it is not fair to those who can not afford a home. I'm sure you voluntarily pay additional taxes because you feel it is the right thing to do. Get a grip man.

Karen Mansfield-Stewart 9 years, 4 months ago

I have to disagree with HCBS also. The student-athlete has fulfilled their part of the bargain - to earn a degree at that university while playing a sport for no monetary compensation.
If they have eligibility left then let them do what they want - stay, transfer, or leave. If a good mid-major player wants a shot at a big-time school, let him. If a player is riding the bench for three years and wants to move to a mid-major to get PT, let him. If the player and coach don't get along, let him leave. Lets give the student the benefit of doing what he/she thinks is best for them, not the what's best for the coach/school.

REHawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Yeah, blatant hypocrisy, Mr. Self. Something about wanting to retain that cake while eating it, too. Push a kid out the door in light of the One Year Scholarship Rule; but take away another kid's autonomy to make choices after he has graduated, making sensible and wise academic use of his summer school or red shirt opportunities. A bondage outlook and situation.

chriz 9 years, 4 months ago

You guys don't know what a hypocrite is. If Self didn't take advantage of a bad rule, you'd call him a bad coach. For instance, take the blocking call. Bill Self was a proponent of fixing it, but don't be so naive to think that he didn't encourage his kids to take advantage of it in its current form. Stuff like that happens all the time. You maximize your ability within the rules, even if you don't like it. I take it that none of you owns a business.

dehawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Try to get past the CS part and look at the rest. I agree with REHawk and the one year scholarship rule. If a coach can "subtly" tell a student that there will not be playing time in the near future at the school, forcing them to make the decision to leave and lose a year of eligibility. At any point a coach can let us know that scholarships are only one year. However, if that is the case, then they should not whine if a student graduates and decides to use their eligibility at another school. Why should they stay if scholarships are only given from year to year. They say four year scholarship but they are not really a guaranteed scholarship for the whole time. As long as a scholarship is not guaranteed for the full four years, then I think a student should have the right to leave and play elsewhere. Many students are playing for a shot at being able to help their families. If they are riding the bench (as Mr. Black) then let them try to find a place where they can get exposure or playing time.

Kye Clark 9 years, 4 months ago

I'll agree with the majority here in that all of the coaches quoted here are a bunch of hypocrites. These coaches are paid millions of dollars on the backs of these student athletes while the student athlete receive no financial compensation. The coaches have no problem jumping ship once the grass is "greener" at another school and can immediately continue coaching without having to sit out a year under almost any circumstances. The coaches hold all the power over the student athlete as to whether their one-year scholarship contracts are renewed. Someone better comes along? Sorry Merv Lindsey, go sit out a year while waiting to play for another school. Then they want to cry about it once the student athlete has a little bit of control over his own situation? Shame on them.

dehawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Ditto that! The student athlete already has to sit out a year if they red shirt, or if the transfer. Now schools want to also tie them to the institution by not letting them go someplace else to complete their eligibility if they graduate sooner. Coaches and school don't make enough money that they now want to deprive the athlete the chance to possibly improve their position. I also say shame on them.

KEITHMILES05 9 years, 4 months ago

Bill is the master of "coach speak" and wants everybody to like him. He is good, damn good at it.

Jack Jones 9 years, 4 months ago

Mr. Miles ~ beyond what you or I, or anyone else might care about "people liking us" ~ I suspect Mr. Self really doesn't give much thought ~ or speaking more plainly ~ give a damn about whether WE "like" him. Sorry.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 4 months ago

Wow .. I read the article and expected the typical parade of those defending Self at every turn. Much the opposite. Excellent posts.

I had mentioned when we redshirted Lucas that we might not even see the true benefit of Lucas because he could leave (under this rule). After all of the time and development, he could get his degree in four years and bolt for his senior season -- for what would likely be his most beneficial season to KU basketball.

But this seems like a pretty fair rule that rewards a player for getting his degree.

I wonder how much control a coach has over a player's schedule? Whether a coach could work to ensure that a kid did not graduate?

KansasComet 9 years, 4 months ago

I think the coaches don't like it, because they can't control it.

dehawk 9 years, 4 months ago

I think if a coach doesn't like the rule, then be pro-active and make sure the player knows he will see more playing time. Players want to play. Maybe they wouldn't leave if they felt they were being utilized. So instead of complaining that players are leaving, give them a reason to stay. In the case of Black, maybe he didn't want to just have 8 mins. a game. Maybe he wanted a place where he could get 15+ mins. a game. Whats wrong with that? In Lucas case, he will stay if CS uses him. And if he isn't utilized or told he will be by the time he graduate, then let him find a place to go. He shouldn't have to get scrub minutes his senior year just because we need him for 8 mins. a game. Let any of these player have a shot at their dream no matter where it might be.

Jack Jones 9 years, 4 months ago

I wonder what other conjecture you might "wonder" about? Virtually unlimited possibilities.

chriz 9 years, 4 months ago

The coaches don't like it because they have to do more recruiting, the thing they like least. They want to coach. But if Bill Self doesn't take Tarik Black even though he doesn't like the rule, he gets questioned for it, and that doesn't bode well for him. If he needs to fill in a spot on his roster with a guy who wants to come to his school, I don't see why he shouldn't, even if he doesn't like the fact that kids can do that. And this rarely has anything to do with education, folks. This has to do with a guy who committed to a school and regretted it.

It's not that complicated. Bill Self is judged largely on his resourcefulness. He can't use "I don't like to" as an excuse.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

I understand Bill Self and other coaches not being huge fans of the rule in principle, but I would imagine it's the mid-major coaches that really don't like the rule because if they find a diamond in the rough and then end up losing them because of this rule. Players leaving high major schools to low or mid majors because of this rule for the most part are doing so because they want playing time and are genuinely going to get their masters and put it to use because professional basketball at any level is not likely in their future. I feel like with the way Bill Self develops his teams, it will be very rare for to see someone leave KU because of this rule because if Bill Self doesn't see a scholarship player ever becoming a rotation player, they tend to transfer out early. A lot of people go to a different school for grad school than where they got their undergrad degree from so I really don't have a problem with the rule the way it is currently applied. I also wouldn't be against making a player have to sit out a year because most masters programs are two years and that would allow most players to actually complete their masters degree.

Jack Jones 9 years, 4 months ago

You don't have to "imagine" the mid-major concern ~ simply re-read the article ~ Self makes that quite clear.

MGJayhawk 9 years, 4 months ago

If a coach takes another job should he have to sit out a year for a better situation?

REHawk 9 years, 4 months ago

I have enjoyed reading both sides of opinions on this article today, and am not quite ready to put it to rest. Here is a very unlikely but possible scenario, under current transfer rules which allow for immediate eligibility of a graduating player. Perry Ellis most probably will not play the 4 position if he matriculates to the NBA. Matter of fact, as I recall he departed high school hoping to play the 3 position in college. Bill Self's program this past season had need for Perry to play the 4; and I assume he will remain in that slot for the duration of his tenure at KU, regardless of his former wishes. Because of his lack of speed, perhaps, Self sees him as a better fit at the 4 in Division 1 Basketball. So, let's say that Perry takes advantage of summer courses, builds on what might have been an accelerated college level high school curriculum, and graduates in 3 years, maybe as a collegiate All-American. Still dreaming about playing the 3, to better prepare himself for the NBA, he decides to shop his talent and fame, seeking the perfect fit on another high powered team on which he can play the 3 immediately, without sitting out a year (just as migrating coaches do not have to sit out a year when they switch schools). The coaches in control, of course, would like to scotch such possibilities, insisting that graduating players must sit out a year, hapless and ineligible.

LaFriends 9 years, 4 months ago

GL to him. His dreams are his, and he's being proactive. He doesn't owe Self after 3 years of fulfilling Self's positional needs...

chriz 9 years, 4 months ago

He probably would have that figured out before his junior year, particularly if his coach has a reputation. Just like all other kids, he can transfer to another school and would only lose a year of time, not eligibility.

I think you all would agree that the great thing about this game is that at the college level, the game is more about the program and coach, not the players. The kids will have their time.

addlime 9 years, 4 months ago

Maybe he's just trying to ease his conscious for getting such a good deal from Memphis. Tarik black is a no lose for KU, and could be a huge win for Tarik as well if the fresh start translates to growth from his soph year stats.

dylans 9 years, 4 months ago

Kentucky early graduate...hahahahahahahahaha

dehawk 9 years, 4 months ago

If the NCAA, universities, and coaches don't watch what they are pushing for, they may find more student athletes will be signing financial ad agreements rather than LOI. I'm surprised more don't do this.

REHawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Yeah, the Brandon Knight Improvisation. Which brings up the question, has Wiggins actually signed a KU scholarship form?

LaFriends 9 years, 4 months ago

Maybe Self wants this rule-change so he can red-shirt Greene, Frankamp, or Mason with impunity....

Jack Jones 9 years, 4 months ago

Maybe you could come up with a much longer list of "Maybes" ~ limited only by your devious mind. Give it a shot.

REHawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Was it a devious mind which gambled on Anrio Adams to adjust successfully to bigtime Division 1 basketball and academic success at the university level, then ushered him out the door when the adjustment fell flat?

Jack Jones 9 years, 4 months ago

Your post doesn't make sense to me. "Devious mind" ? ~ has no bearing on Rio Adams situation. Frankly, one could say that every player recruited can be considered to be a "gamble" to "adjust successfully to big time D-1BB and 'academic success'....." ~ some more ~ some less. However, in Adams particular situation ~ if you will recall, it was he that made the initial decision to "usher" himself out the door ~ announcing his plans to transfer ~ and then announcing his "oops". I was sorry to see him leave; but that being said, it is he that has to bear the responsibility, both for his initial decision, as well as his questionable behavior during the latter part of the season. Sorry.

vd 9 years, 4 months ago

Without this rule our FB team wouldn't have won a single game last year.

REHawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Jason King has written a nice Perry Ellis/KU article at ESPN.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 4 months ago

I like the rule, but you never know the unintended consequences. I don't think the rule was brought in to create a free agency for seniors/graduate schools.

I think there are a lot of rules out there that don't make sense, but the transfer rule of sitting a year probably isn't as bad as most people think. Think how many athletes would have transferred if they didn't have to sit a year. I'm guessing Mario Chalmers would have been one, but basically after every year you'd have to recruit the team again. The transfer year keeps things similar from year to year. The graduation adds some power to a problem. There are case by case examples...hardships that give some exceptions. However I wouldn't want a committee to decide if I were legible for a transfer right after I graduated...that is ridiculous.

Allen Shepard 9 years, 4 months ago

Going to another school after graduate with a bachelors degree isn't transferring.

So, clearly there should be no sitting out.

Brian Skelly 9 years, 4 months ago

 College athletics is about the coaches and their control.    And they hate not being in control.    This rule does strike me as a bit odd,  but the reality is its one of the few NCAA rules in my mind that is actually "student athlete" friendly.

And Coaches railing against it is simply them not liking losing control.     The "unintended consequences" -- god forbid kids actually graduate and want to move on are coaches simply whining.    Does it open up the recruiting process up potentially -- yea.     But for all the angst about this rule it ends ironically happens because athletes have done what the NCAA pedals out and claims to be about -- getting a degree.

The fact they try to restrict that speaks to the hollowness of the argument.     Coaches and the NCAA needs to get over themselves... because thats all this is.

pepper_bar 9 years, 4 months ago

Remember that time Self sat out a year when he moved from Illinois to Kansas?

Yeah, me neither.

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