Originally published May 22, 2013 at 06:09p.m., updated May 23, 2013 at 12:28a.m.

KU football adds Miami Ohio wide receiver Nick Harwell

Miami (Ohio) receiver Nick Harwell (8) catches an 11-yard touchdown pass against Western Michigan cornerback Lewis Toler (24) in the first half of an NCAA college football game Wednesday, Nov. 16, 2011, in Oxford, Ohio.

Miami (Ohio) receiver Nick Harwell (8) catches an 11-yard touchdown pass against Western Michigan cornerback Lewis Toler (24) in the first half of an NCAA college football game Wednesday, Nov. 16, 2011, in Oxford, Ohio.


A team that couldn’t buy a touchdown reception from a wide receiver last season just picked up a guy who has caught a whole bunch of them.

KU officials announced Wednesday night that Miami (Ohio) senior Nick Harwell will transfer to KU for the 2013-14 school year. KU coach Charlie Weis learned that the news was official just before speaking to a group of KU fans at the Ramada Inn Downtown Convention Center in Topeka.

A native of Missouri City, Texas, Harwell, 6-foot-1, 193 pounds, missed three games in 2012 with a knee injury, but still managed to rank 13th in the NCAA in receptions per game (7.6) and 14th in the NCAA in receiving yards per game (96.7). He finished his junior season leading the Mid-American Conference with 68 receptions for 870 yards and eight touchdowns.

In 2011, as a sophomore, Harwell was the NCAA’s second-leading receiver with a 129.6 receiving-yards-per-game average. In all, he hauled in 97 receptions for 1,425 yards and nine touchdowns that season and earned first-team All-MAC honors, honorable mention All-America honors from Sports Illustrated and was named to the Biletnikoff Award Watch List.

Harwell was recruited to Miami by Mike Haywood, who was a member of Weis’ staff at Notre Dame.

“It is the same offense and terminology we used my freshman year,” Harwell told’s Jon Kirby of KU’s system. “That will help.”

Harwell, who is ranked as the 18th-best wide receiver prospect for the NFL Draft class of 2014 by, comes to KU on the heels of a recent off-the-field issue, but sources have indicated that he is facing no legal trouble. In early April, Harwell was arrested and charged with criminal damaging, theft and unauthorized use of a vehicle/vehicle trespass after an early-morning incident at an off-campus apartment. Harwell was suspended from all football-related activities by Miami coach Don Treadwell.

Those close to the KU program believe Harwell may be the missing piece for a Jayhawk passing game that struggled in 2012.

It is unclear whether Harwell, who is close to graduating thanks to a year of prep school in 2009, will be eligible for the upcoming season. KU officials said the following Wednesday night: “Nick Harwell’s eligibility is to be determined as the Compliance and Academic staff work through the process.”

Add another date

Although Wednesday’s Topeka appearance was scheduled to be the end of his preview party tour, Weis said he was in the process of trying to add an appearance in late June in Kansas City, Mo.

Nothing has been finalized yet, but Weis is targeting June 27 at The Dubliner in the Power and Light District as his ideal date and location.

Here they come

With more than half of the recruiting class of 2013 still yet to arrive, Weis said he did not expect any surprises in the coming weeks. He said half of the remaining group would report to campus the first week of June and the others would trickle in during the rest of the summer.

Weis on Wiggins

Not one to hide his passion for KU hoops, Weis was happy to share his initial reaction to the recent news that KU men’s basketball coach Bill Self had landed Andrew Wiggins, the No. 1 prospect in the country.

“I talked to him 45 minutes beforehand,” Weis said of Self. “And he wasn’t feeling real good about his chances. Then I told him about when Manti (Teo) committed to me at Notre Dame. Everybody thought he was going to USC and then he announced and the place went berserk. I said, ‘You don’t know with a kid like this. We have no idea where he’s really going.’

“Right after he committed, I called (Self) and, of course, he didn’t answer. But I think you heard a ‘Yeah, baby!’ (on Self’s voicemail) but it was about 20 octaves up from right there.”


mcrckchlk 9 years, 1 month ago

This crop of recruits for next year is starting to look real good...

Bobby Burch 9 years, 1 month ago

Got some weapons on offense this year!

Tad Shurtz 9 years, 1 month ago

Is this kid actually eligible to play next season? Reading up on him, I don't get the impression that he's a Miami (OH) graduate. Therefore, he'd have to sit a year.

David Meredith 9 years, 1 month ago

Yeah, seems like he would have to sit out a year. Would have been good info for this article.

Jonathan Briles 9 years, 1 month ago

Yeah that was my question too. If he was a red shirt junior then he may have graduated and be eligible, but if not then we won't get him until next year. Hopefully they update this story later.

mojayhawk 9 years, 1 month ago

why list him as a 2014 draft pick then?

Matt Tait 9 years, 1 month ago

It's unclear at this time whether he'll be eligible immediately or not. I know it's an option and they're working on it. They're also going to let me know ASAP so stay tuned to the site and this story for updates...

Either way, bringing this kind of talent to KU is good for the program.

Carter Patterson 9 years, 1 month ago

I can't believe that the article did not state this....glad you have a comments section.

Matt Tait 9 years, 1 month ago

Just so you know, I was driving back from Topeka and the people who posted the story as soon as we could did not know at the time they posted it...

Carter Patterson 9 years, 1 month ago

All is good Matt...the article was updated. I understand the rush and appreciate everything you and the staff does.

Matt Tait 9 years, 1 month ago

Works for me. Thanks. Just wanted to let you know why it wasn't in there initially.

79ictjhawk 9 years, 1 month ago

April 5, 2013 from the Miami Student News:

Miami University football Head Coach Don Treadwell has suspended rising senior wide receiver Nick Harwell from the team as a result of the Oxford Police Department’s (OPD) recent charges against him. “He is currently suspended from all football team related activities,” Treadwell said. “And that is kind of it in a nutshell… [It is] indefinite right now until further notice.” OPD charged Harwell with vehicular trespass, unauthorized use of a vehicle, criminal damaging and theft, according to the police report. The charges were filed after Harwell kicked down a door at Miami Commons and stole a cap and gown from a car early Saturday morning, according to OPD. Harwell has a year of eligibility remaining on the football field.

Hopefully he's learned from this & KU will be a fresh start for him.

KGphoto 9 years, 1 month ago

Love this. Undoubtedly Weis has already had a “sit-down” with him. If Weis wasn’t happy with what he heard, the kid wouldn’t be here. I have no reason to doubt that.

Welcome Nick. KU’s a great place to learn all types of things. Focus on whatever coach tells you to focus on, and you’ll do well.

kellerman411 9 years, 1 month ago

Oh god, the article police are back again... What is wrong with you people? Matt doesn't come to where you work and throw rocks at you while you're mowing. They're just trying to get the info out as fast as possible. If he had waited til tomorrow when he had more information, you people would have complained because you saw it first on ESPN or some recruiting site...

In fairness though, Matt, when you have what many would consider a dream job, and you do, you kind of are expected to just let the fact that we have to work real jobs while you get to hang around KU athletics all day be enough to just let comments like this roll.

Matt Tait 9 years, 1 month ago

Gotcha. I usually do. To be clear, I took no issue with the above criticism, just wanted to explain why that info wasn't in there initially.

Boouk 9 years, 1 month ago

This seems like a great addition if the kid will stay out of trouble off the field.

Mixolydian 9 years, 1 month ago

CJ Online is reporting that if he graduates this year and enrolls in a KU graduate program that Miami doesn't offer he'll be immediately eligible to play.

Matt Tait 9 years, 1 month ago

That's the case for seniors who graduate and move on to play their final year of eligibility, but he's just a third-year guy and has not graduated yet. If I understand things correctly, he's close and he'll need some summer classes to graduate, which is at least part of where the hang-up is.

Can he take them there even though he's leaving?

Can he take them here and have those apply to grad requirements?

Can he get it done in the first place?

Those and plenty more like them are still unanswered at this time, so it's just a matter of sorting it all out.

I think he's got a 60-40 chance, perhaps better, of being eligible for the upcoming season.

Matt Bowers 9 years, 1 month ago

"I think he's got a 60-40 chance, perhaps better, of being eligible for the upcoming season."

Reminds me of Anchorman. "60% of the time, it works all the time!"

Great analysis as always Matt. Keep the stories rolling. I would love to hear from the strength and conditioning coach on how things are going. Maybe a piece on Campos and how his experience in Lawrence has been. Maybe interview some players and find what games they are looking forward to and which teams they hate. Either way, great work!

Rock Chalk

VaJay 9 years, 1 month ago

This is HUGE if he can play next season and as Boouk says - keep out of trouble.

What a PICKUP for the KU Football team!!

I like our chances a lot of breaking the streak of games with no TD passes to a WR. If Harwell's playing, we make everyone forget the streak ever existed!

Rock Chalk!! What a week it's been for KU athletics!

Bryce Landon 9 years, 1 month ago

At this point, we'll take what we can get, but given Weis' disciplinary tactics, is it really wise of him to be bringing someone on board with his kind of criminal history? I got the impression Weis wasn't going to put up with such nonsense.

On another note, it is good to see Weis sharing in Self's joy on landing Wiggins.

Matt Tait 9 years, 1 month ago

You can bet Weis looked into Harwell's issues very, very closely and you can even be more certain of the fact that there's no way he would've brought him on board if he was concerned about any of his past trouble.

BayPark 9 years, 1 month ago

Looked at his issues closely? Does that mean he felt okay about them? That they were acceptable to him. I think the only thing he looked at closely was his yards per catch.

Dirk Medema 9 years, 1 month ago

Bay - Did you miss the part about "sources have indicated that he is facing no legal trouble"? Yes, the police apparently arrested him during the dark, but sounds like the charges were dropped or greatly reduced.

BayPark 9 years, 1 month ago

Do we really want to win this bad? I think in the long run it's a mistake to take players like this.

redlegger 9 years, 1 month ago

Recommend changing your user name to "GuyWhoNeverDidAnythingHeRegretted"

BayPark 9 years, 1 month ago

I'm referring to how it reflects on the university. Didn't think I needed to be any clearer.

actorman 9 years, 1 month ago

He's not in any legal trouble, and we don't know what really happened. Even if he did do something wrong (but not illegal, or at least not illegal enough to be in hot water for it), people deserve a second chance. Let's just give Weis the benefit of the doubt that he's giving him a short leash.

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 1 month ago

"Criminal history" and "players like this". Seems a little harsh. We have no idea what actually happened, and the article says he is facing NO legal difficulties. Charges must have been dropped or something along that line. I don't think we should be so judgmental without knowing all the facts.

BayPark 9 years, 1 month ago

We're taking him because we want to win, and he's available because he has enough baggage that no one else wants him. Did you read the hustlebelt link above? Is there any doubt that he has a criminal history? Do you think Miami would kick the best player off the team for no reason? I don't judge him personally. I just don't want him representing KU--despite how much I hate losing.

Andrew Horigan 9 years, 1 month ago

Wow you must be a perfect person. I for one am glad to have him on board and have full trust in the coaching staff and their decisions. When the Morris twins shot people out their dorm window with a bb gun were you screaming for the dismissal? Or when Tyshawn Taylor got into a fight on campus were you leading the petition to get him kicked off the team? These are young people with incredible talents, but they are YOUNG. I'm sure this kid has learned from his mistakes or he wouldnt have a chance to play for us.

actorman 9 years, 1 month ago

People deserve a second chance, especially if what he did wasn't serious enough for him to be facing legal trouble.

actorman 9 years, 1 month ago

Sorry, that should have been a response to BayPark, not chicagojayhawk.

Micky Baker 9 years, 1 month ago

Do you live by being devil's advocate?

KGphoto 9 years, 1 month ago

Do you think he would’ve kicked Darrian Miller off the team if he JUST wanted to win? The guy came in and cleaned house of all kids with so much as a bad attitude, before he even unpacked his bags. Running a program of the upmost integrity is his first and foremost priority. Winning comes second, and he’s been clear and consistent on that every single day he’s been here.

This kid will likely be a model student athlete for his time at KU under Weis. If not he’s gone, and Chuckles won’t even blink.

mikeowens 9 years, 1 month ago

Usually, the big-school guy gets in trouble and leaves for a smaller school, not the other way around. Nothing paints a clearer picture of how down this program is right now than this transfer.

That said, if he is able to do what he needs to do, good get.

Dirk Medema 9 years, 1 month ago

Josh Williams was considered to be a problem child by some before being a lauded as an exemplary role model last year. I'm expecting similar off-field issues in this case and tons more production opposite McCay.

Clarence Haynes 9 years, 1 month ago

You and others unfortunately have made a rush to judgement here! What do you know about this young man that makes you characterize him as someone like Phillips? I trust that before Harwell and Coach Weis agreed that Harwell should attend KU, Coach Weis has done his homework and has laid down the law with this young man! In other words, butt out and let Coach Weis do his thing! After all, Weis is the one who is accountable and frankly, I like what he has done as a counselor to his players!

ccarp 9 years, 1 month ago

And if it works out, will HCCW hear from you too?

s6u6r6f 9 years, 1 month ago

I should hate that Kansas become known as a university of second chances. Student-athletes should not be allowed to make mistakes. And Lawrence Phillips? That's nothing. What about OJ!? He played football. Great! Now OJ's coming to KU! Rock chalk.

KGphoto 9 years, 1 month ago

LOL, you should type “sarcasm font” or something of that nature, or you’re going to get ripped.

Micky Baker 9 years, 1 month ago

Should not be allowed to make mistakes? Really?

Al Martin 9 years, 1 month ago

Lots of overreaction on both sides, but there seems to be a serious lack of reading comprehension from some of you who claim that the charges were dropped. They were not. Harwell pleaded guilty to the charge.

The relevant paragraph being:

"Also thrown into this story was that Harwell pleaded guilty earlier this month to a count of attempted theft and was given 90 days in jail, 89 of them suspended. So ... time served plus probation. There was no mention of him allegedly attempting to break into his girlfriend's residence, which was on the original police report."

He faces no more legal trouble because he was sentenced and served his sentence, not because the charges were frivolous or dropped.

I'm willing to trust Charlie's judgment, but just wanted to clear up a lot of misinformation in these comments.

Reuben_J_Cogburn 9 years, 1 month ago

Everytime I want to walk people give me a reason to refresh my fandom.

Honestly, I could care less about his off-the-field troubles. First of all, class is the last thing that should be on our minds in regards to football. We need fighters and a-holes to bring this thing back. If this kid can catch touchdowns and breathe....welcome aboard.

Secondly, Kansas is swiftly becoming Second Chance U. That doesn't just include players like Heaps and McCay, but Weis himself. If Harwell gets his crap together, he has a chance to redeem himself in a big way.

This is for you, Ralster: Stay the course. Keep the fatih. Rock Chalk

kellerman411 9 years, 1 month ago

Thank you! All these pretty rickies on here wanting a stud on the field and a choir boy off of it. I played a year of Juco ball many years ago and I can tell you that those coaches didn't mind one bit going after a kid with battery charges. Heck, I think they actually liked it.

We need bullies. We need kids who flat want to hurt the other guy. I want a kid who fears no one.

Tim Orel 9 years, 1 month ago

Are you saying "class" as in he has "class" or, since this is about a College player the "classes" he needs to attend to be eligible to play for KU, in which case it is very much something that is important. The article linked above titled " longer enrolled" indicates to me that he's absolutely done with Miami, which makes it very likely that he's not going to be immediately eligible at KU. We'll see, but I have a feeling he'll get to sit a semester. Maybe he'll be eligible in time for the bowl game .

Reuben_J_Cogburn 9 years, 1 month ago

I meant "class" in demonstrating "integrity," "maturity," and "not getting arrested and expelled for breakin' into your beau's car to grab stuff that may or may not belong to you, and spending 90 days in jail because you decided to go all 'Jordan Webb' on her car."

You know...that "class."

.....too soon on the "Jordan Webb" reference?

John Randall 9 years, 1 month ago

If it really was a "beau" he was involved with, do we also have the PC issue of GLHT to consider?

vd 9 years, 1 month ago

Simms has a few too many and gets 3 game suspension. This kid steals a car and gets hottly pursued by our coach. If he does become eligible, will he have any suspension, or do the team rules only effect non Weis recruits?

Sam Brockert 9 years, 1 month ago

Umm, what the heck are you talking about? These troubles happened BEFORE Weis recruited him and he served his sentence before ever signing to come here. So I guess my answer to your question is that team rules apply to people already on the team BEFORE they break the rules. I mean seriously, if you get fired from your job, does the next job punish you for what you did too?

ccarp 9 years, 1 month ago

Reads to me like it was the result of a bad break up. Doesn't sound like he put lives in danger or committed a felony. He sounds like a talented player and could benefit from a fresh start. I wouldn't put him in the category of OJ, Lawrence Phillips, or even JR Giddens. I trust coach Weis' judgement on this one.

JakeBarnes 9 years, 1 month ago

"if you get fired from your job, does the next job punish you for what you did too?"

It depends on the reasons you were fired and what the previous employer expected. Usually if the dismissal was just you pay in salary and benefits you might otherwise have gotten. Of course, I wouldn't hire anyone under these circumstances. I don't think you need to run a football program like I run my business. If I were KU football's counterpart in commerce I'd be bankrupt by now.

Joe Ross 9 years, 1 month ago

Where do many of these athletes come from? The inner city, lower class. Yet we judge them by middle class, middle-America standards. These kids didn't grow up like many of you did. Look at Ben McLemore and many other stories such as his (Thomas Robinson, Morris twins, etc., etc.). Nick Harwell is from Houston. Fourth largest city in America. I don't know what his background was like, but there is the potential that he or people he grew up with had that inner city mentality. The reality is that every time you watch a collegiate basketball or football game, most of the kids on the team are from broken homes or in poverty.

Now then. That does not make incidents where is law is broken justifiable. But let's take a moment to talk about something else. Is it UNDERSTANDABLE (given their background)? What's the point of talking about this? Because we can learn to separate what a kid does from the kid himself and, more importantly, we can realize that if environment is influential, then the discipline and structure that comes from organized collegiate sports can actually remedy a negative social predisposition. Said another way, sports can socially rehabilitate these kids. The football field and basketball court may be the only hope they have to be reformed.

With this in mind, you give a kid some sort of penalty, yes. But for God's sake don't excommunicate them. Even some of you in your middle-class environments have had brushes with the law. Give these kids a break.

yates33333 9 years, 1 month ago

I guess you are also African-American, but this stereotyping gets old. This is just a favorable way of profiling someone.

Check his home in Missouri City, TX.,-95.677068&spn=53.87374,79.013672&z=4 3011 Rimrock Drive, Missouri, City, TX Aint no inner city sheet here.

Nothing wrong with giving him another chance. I pray he does a good job and isn't inherently a bad one. I sure don't think he is, but to throw him in with those who are on the grounds of "understanding" gets to me. He's got a momma and daddy and that is what it takes as you ought to know. I do. Thank God for my momma, God rest her soul.

yates33333 9 years, 1 month ago

PS. Sorry JRoss but this sociology crap gets to me in these sports posting.

Joe Ross 9 years, 1 month ago

Yates. You didn't read my comment evidently.

  1. I said I didn't know what his background was like for sure.
  2. I said, "...there is the potential that he or people he grew up with had an inner city mentality." Prove that the latter isn't the case please.
  3. When he played high school sports in Houston area, can you please speak intelligently as to what kind of influence his teammates had on him?

I made this point the other day on facebook concerning stereotypes in the wake of the Garcia/Woods feud. Some stereotypes have a basis in reality. You can say it gets "old", but your boredom with the topic doesn't preclude certain realities. Having a mother and father is better than a lot of kids, but as you ought to know it takes more than that.

A point I made in my comment was about influence of environment. Whether that be in the inner city, the positive setting of collegiate athletics, or elsewhere. The fact is, whether you ignore it or not, MANY college athletes take their social backgrounds with them to college. You can deny it. You can call it profiling. You can call it stereotyping. Whatever. It is a reality despite what label you give to it.

Ken Tomberlin 9 years, 1 month ago

Well said. And regardless of his background, one minor mistake should not kill anyone's career or opportunity to play. I would classify stealing a cap and gown as minor.

Joe Ross 9 years, 1 month ago

I hate to sum up things so briefly, especially because I generally respect (if not agree with) most of your comments. But here you are wrong. It is true the crime and criminal activity is much more common among low socioeconomic groups. You can call this a stereotype, but statistics back it up. It is also true that those in societal groups that hang around with each other can influence those to do things they would not ordinarily do. This has been proven with psychological studies by Philip Zimbardo et al. I'm fed up with people being so PC that they brush off proven realities as a consequence. It's nauseating.

Sociological studies show that the realities of the African-American athlete is unique. Here is but one excerpt from one such study:

"As noted above, NCAA rules have been criticized for failing to comport with the social and economic circumstances of many of the student-athletes whose conduct they are intended to govern. This appears to be particularly true in the case of African-American student-athletes. Studies of the college experiences of African-American student-athletes suggest that they have special needs and are harmed by the failure of NCAA rules and regulations to consider such needs. Concluded one sociologist: Black student-athletes' reliance on off-campus support may interact with their socio-economic background to place them at greater risk. Because black student-athletes come from poorer families and because their support systems are more likely to be located away from campus, it is more difficult for them to access their support systems personally."

It's time for you guys to stop burying your head in the sand and behaving as if the environment from which a person comes has little or no influence on his behavior. This seems a rather easy admission to make. Ralster you argue not to judge people by groups, yet when you sift through situation after situation after situation, a reality emerges. No, it is not true in every case, but when you notice phenomena that are statistically significant in some groups vs. others, you cant dismiss that information in the name of political correctness. I am black. Yet I know there are things we do as African-Americans that are inherently different than the way others do them. That doesn't make it right or wrong, it just makes it different. Easy example for you. Church services are structured differently in most churches that have black leadership. While it is true that some black people may not attend church, it doesn't nullify one's ability to speak of the differences between white and black churches. I've had it up to my neck with people who argue that there is nothing that can be said of group dynamics and/or the stresses some may face as a consequence of low-socioeconomic status.

Joe Ross 9 years, 1 month ago


I disagree with your assertion that we can not examine individual behavior/phenomena within the context of larger groups. All behavioral studies do this!

Yes, look at individual circumstances...but also consider what is true of a group to help analyze/give some perspective to specific situations.

This is reason.

Joe Ross 9 years, 1 month ago

Also read: Sellers, R., Kupermine, R., & Wadell, A. (1991). Life experiences of black student athletes in revenue producing sports: a descriptive empirical analysis. The Academic Athletic Journal, 20-38.

Joe Ross 9 years, 1 month ago

My question to you, Ralster, is exactly HOW the results of behavioral studies should be applied. It seems obvious that information is distilled from groups and applied to individuals. Is this distillation a "stereotypical" analysis. Not always, but sometimes. Is it wrong? NO!

Again, analyzing particular situations is better done when one has a context within which to do this, and oftentimes sociologists and psychologists are able to derive analysis from group study.

I would presume from your argument that you have an issue with that. Feel free to enlighten me.

Joe Ross 9 years, 1 month ago

Ralster...this is why I respect you. We have a disagreement obviously, and Im fine with that fact being laid out in the wide open, free of concealment. We simply feel differently on this particular issue, but Ill address that in a moment. Id like to front-load my reply with the observation that I welcome dissent from my opinion, yet I find it in good taste that your response is well thought out, logical, and is to some extent emotional, but with accompanying reason. It should always be so. I welcome your response in whatever emotional disposition you give it, precisely because it is given within the context of the fundamentals of thought. For that, I thank you.

Joe Ross 9 years, 1 month ago

I'll begin my rebuttal by observing that conclusions of the sort in the studies I mentioned are almost always stereotypical. As you might guess, the researchers are aware of this. Their results reflect a likelihood of behavior patterns among certain groups, and their conclusions are most often borne out with mathematical statistics that support their claims. Much study has gone into how social norms within groups or a larger society affect individualistic behavior; in fact, a whole branch of behavioral science is devoted to it: sociology. It focuses on the study of human groups and societies. Rather than focusing on cognition or mental processes as psychologists do, sociologists study the influencing factors that bind groups of humans together. Sociologists are more concerned with global social phenomena than interpersonal relationships, and they often focus their attention on organizations, associations, groups, and institutions. Here is my point: there is much to be learned about an individual by analysis of the group(s) he belongs to. Oft times, the group dynamic influences individual behavior more than an individual's own psychological identity. Bottom line: the specifics about an individual is not all that bears upon his reaction to specific situations. So despite your insistence that we much know the particular situation of an athlete, some analysis CAN be done without knowing all the specifics, as you suggest. Consider the basketball team in the Self era alone, and how many times KU fans have been witness to claims of egregious behavior: JR Giddens (bar broohaha), CJ Giles (girlfriend), Jeff Hawkins (girlfriend), Sherron Collins (female associate), Brandon Rush (traffic), the Morris Twins (airsoft gun), Thomas Robinson (bar bouncer incident), the basketball-football brawl, and others. Yes, we should examine each of those situations on their merit. But Id be foolish to think that there are not some psychosocial elements that may be common in how they respond to environmental triggers. So would you. I like the evolutionary psychologist named Steven Pinker. Youtube him sometime. Some of his work is devoted to why some racial groups respond in different ways to environmental triggers. It doesnt make blacks better or worse than just makes them different. As you know, even our behavior patterns are influenced by genetics. As you have observed above, my comments toward this particular receiver were not pejorative at all. If anything, they are exculpatory. When one discusses issues of race, one must do so with the utmost respect and sensitivity. Being black, I am keen to mind how my words may affect the feelings of others on issues of race. But there has to be some level of honesty also. You mention that this is not a sociology board. Perhaps not. But to abridge comments to the effect that social elements may be at play in some of this situations is actually what is narrow-minded to my way of thinking.

Joe Ross 9 years, 1 month ago

Just one note on stereotypes. There seems to be a widespread assumption in much of this discussion that if a particular stereotype exists, the differential expectations are themselves responsible for any perceived differences between groups. Said another way, some think that stereotypes are always figments of one's imagination that gets projected upon a group. Stated even more simply yet, some think of differences as not real at all, but the result of some projected flawed thought process. But the causal arrow may extend in either direction. The stereotypes themselves might in fact reflect real differences. An oversimplified example: we (accurately) stereotype that basketball players are taller than horse jockeys, but that doesn't mean that the stereotype CAUSED that difference, nor does it suggest that there is anything inherently wrong with making that inference. There is a way in which words like bias, stereotype, and others are not used in a prejudicial way...sometimes even if the subject is race. It would be nice to be able to discuss racial difference without the specter of "prejudice" rearing its ugly head. Sometimes stereotypes are the result of subconscious predictions that distill from information gathered over the course of a life, but they are not nefarious either in intent or in practical use. Therefore, one can not argue simply against stereotyping. It's not vogue in modern society, but sometimes they are rooted in a basis of reality.

Joe Ross 9 years, 1 month ago

...and when you say, "Lets keep sociological discussion off a SPORTS board", you shield yourself from the reality that the observed behaviors of athletes are rooted in sociological realities that are real and are sometimes the CAUSE of what we are discussing!

That doesn't seem too bright.

Joe Ross 9 years, 1 month ago

Enjoy your comments. Respect your perspective.

See you in other threads!

Tony Bandle 9 years, 1 month ago


Do you want your university to have all choir boys on the team and never win or are you willing to give talented kids with baggage a second chance and win.

Frankly, if you don't win, nobody gives a damn about your reputation, anyway, because your reputation is YOU DON"T WIN!!

kellerman411 9 years, 1 month ago

WINNING PLEASE!!! Bring the mean mugs and bad dogs.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 1 month ago

The one thing that gives me pause is why Miami would let a player of that caliber go? Smaller programs, such as Miami, do not get this type of players often; the only way they do is when an unranked player develops big time while at the school, and I would think that Miami would try to hold on to him.
I wonder if there are other issues the coaching staff knows that are not public otherwise...I guess time will tell.

Bob Bailey 9 years, 1 month ago

Too many criticize without reading the original news. What he really did was try to pick up his cap and gown before paying his girlfriend the rental. We had worse trouble back when one of our guys got angry with his ex-girl taking in a new boyfriend. The extra charges seem to have been added a bit early before anything sunk in.

It would be nice, for us, if he could take his final graduating classes at KU this summer and be eligible. Why can't any of you exercise a bit of patience?

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 1 month ago

I hate to disagree but you don't get a 90 day jail sentence (even if most was suspend as per plea agreement) for what you described. Also. Miami would not have let him go if this is all there was. I keep thinking that there is more to the story that we don't know.

NebraskaJayhawk 9 years, 1 month ago

I know this story is old news already, but I have to comment nonetheless. This pickup is exactly what this football team needed. A legitimately tested and proven playmaker in D1 football at WR. I really hope he is eligible to play this season. Way to go Charlie!

KGphoto 9 years, 1 month ago

So true. If he is eligible he jumps straight to 1A. 1B (McCay) has shown flashes in the spring game and has a rapport with Heaps, but this guy has a truckload of NCAA experience. Huge upgrade at WR!

HAWKS1 9 years, 1 month ago

I suspect Mr. Harwell will be on a very short leash and he knows that coming in. Coach Weiss is a disciplinarian and won't give him multiple opportunities. I think he is a great get and will help us tremendously, whether in 2013 or 2014. Now if he were transferring from The U, I would be extremely worried!! That would indicate a hardcore felon if he was suspended by the 'Canes! This little incident wouldn't even warrant a wrist slap or mention in the newspaper down there.

texashawk10 9 years, 1 month ago

Guaranteed Charlie Weis did his homework on this kid before deciding to bring him in. KU is not in a position where they can afford to so picky as to turn down anybody that has had legal issues prior to their arrival at KU. If KU had the tradition of an OU or UT, then yes KU could afford to pass on a kid like this. If he does decide to act up again between now and the time he is scheduled to leave KU, then Weis always has the option to kick him off the team. Right now though, this is a player who can significantly help out Jake Heaps and the rest of the offense.

Reuben_J_Cogburn 9 years, 1 month ago jacket, green jacket, who gives a $%&#.

sokanhawk 9 years, 1 month ago

Great addition to the team! I just hope he can get his summer classes finished by August, so he can graduate & be eligible for next season. I would love to have him and McCay for Heaps to throw to at WR!

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