Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Prep PG down to Irish, Illini; Bill Self visits F Aaron Gordon


Four-star point guard prospect Demetrius Jackson will be playing college basketball at either Notre Dame or the University of Illinois.

Jackson, a 6-foot-1, 185-pound senior from Marian High in Mishawaka, Ind., will orally commit to one of the two schools at 4 p.m. Thursday on ESPNU.

Jackson had tentatively planned to visit Kansas University, but never set a date.’s No. 27-rated player in the Class of 2013 lives with a foster family, whose oldest son, Michael Whitfield, is a Div. I football recruit who is considering Illinois. Jackson, who has visited Illinois, has been a top priority of Notre Dame for several years now. He has made numerous unofficial visits to the South Bend, Ind., campus to go with his official visit last weekend.

“The reason why his value is so high is because of his leadership and ability to command a team,” ESPN’s Dave Telep said of Jackson. “He may not be a household name, but he will be.”

California in-home today: KU coach Bill Self tonight will visit the home of No. 5-ranked Aaron Gordon, a 6-8 senior small forward from Archbishop Mitty High in San Jose, Calif. Gordon has a list of KU, Arizona, Washington, Oregon, Kentucky and Cal.

He visited Oregon last weekend and will visit Washington this weekend, with trips scheduled to KU (Oct. 12) and Arizona (Oct. 19). He still has to schedule a visit to Kentucky.

Gordon’s high school coach, Tim Kennedy, said Gordon knows the least about KU than any of his finalists.

“Just for the fact he’s never been out there,” Kennedy told “But it’s Kansas, kind of like a Kentucky thing where it’s always a top program so he’s interested and he has a connection knowing the assistant (Kurtis Townsend) for a little while.”

Gordon has said he will wait until the spring to choose a school.

Vonleh reclassifies: reports that coaches from KU, Louisville and Boston College visited New Hampton (N.H.) Prep School on Monday to watch a workout of Noah Vonleh, who has just reclassified to the Class of 2013.

Vonleh, a 6-9, 220-pound power forward, was’s No. 3-rated player in the Class of ’14. He is considering KU, B.C., Louisville, North Carolina, Ohio State and others.

Late Night on ESPNU: KU’s Late Night in the Phog again will be included as part of part of ESPNU’s four hours of Midnight Madness coverage on Friday, Oct. 12. Broadcaster Sean Farnham has been assigned to KU’s festivities. Details on Late Night will be released in coming days.

Boot Camp: The opening day of KU Basketball Boot Camp turned into a two-a-day workout for the Jayhawks on Monday.

“We just didn’t get it done (completed). The young kids were really nervous,” Self said of the 6 to 7 a.m. session in KU’s practice facility.

“It was much better,” he added of the afternoon conditioning drills.

Boot Camp runs Monday to Friday this week and all next week as well.


702Hawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Is it just me, or does Bill have a new energy for this team? He must be seeing great potential in this team.

stm62 9 years, 7 months ago

I want to start beating Duke and Kentucky in recruiting. It'll probably take winning some more NC's to do so. Last years predicted "down" season and second place finish could fortell better things in the near future.

kusayzone 9 years, 7 months ago

What you want?lmao.... Last years season was a result of hard work over a course of time, not OAD's. The game is played on the court, not some magical number that is assigned each kid before he even steps on the college court....

Steve Quatrocky 9 years, 7 months ago

No thanks, let the one and dones go someplace else, X and Selby didnt really help us or the program. Bill doesnt make promises to recruits about starting or minutes and thats why you keep seeing the top 50 go someplace else, like a Baylor or KY. Bill does better with 2-3-4 yr guys, who are around long enough to get stronger in the weight room and actually improve their basketball skills under his direction, and you usually find them in the #50-150 range.

Given that BMac and Jamari unexpectedly got the chance to get stronger first, I am really looking forward to seeing their first year on the court now that Andrea has already worked her magic, especially with BMac being a skinny build when he got here.

Jesse Johnson 9 years, 7 months ago

Why do fans always make comments like this on this message board? It's ridiculous to think that every top 50 recruit is a OAD. We wouldn't have won the 2008 championship without top 50 recruits:

From Rivals: In 2005: Mario Chalmers - #12 Brandon Rush - #13

In 2006: Darrell Arthur - #16 Sherron Collins - #21

ChicagoJHawk 9 years, 7 months ago

It also irritates the hell out of me when people talk about how "it's not the KU way to recruit one and dones". Do you guys realize Self was trying to recruit Derrick Rose and John Wall?? He almost broke a NCAA rule trying to get him, although it was a minor one.

X and Selby just happened to be not nearly as good as advertised but you really think Self is gonna turn down a John Wall/D Rose/Michael Beasley/Kevin Durant type of player if he can get one?? Unfortunately he just hasn't had much luck with them but don't think for a second that he isn't going for those players just like any other coach.

kellerman411 9 years, 7 months ago

Dude, I posted this exact comment a while back and got blasted for it. Out of our starting 5 this coming year (Ben, Perry, Jeff, Trav and Elijah), do you know what their average rating was coming out of high school, per ESPN? On a scale of 100, the 5 of them average a 95.6!!! No one is under a 95!!! Not only that, 3 of them are seniors. 99% of all other teams would kill for a chance to coach talent like that.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 7 months ago

KUGrad: I understand your feelings, but your target range is off. What you should be looking for are the players that aren't presumed OADs. Just outside of that range. Great examples are our current 2013 class of Frankamp and Greene. Then look at BMac. And White. And Ellis. Guys in the appx. 10ish - 50ish range. That's the next tier. Players, as I have mentioned before, whose NBA futures are tied directly to their performance and improvement in college. Guys that don't have one eye on the door. But that doesn't mean you can't inject a Randle or Parker at the right moment, if it presents itself.

When you get into the 50-100 range, it is usually a different deal. Certainly when you get over 100. Much different player. Really, the best way to say it is that it's just a lower likelihood of being a major impact player, and lower likelihood of immediate impact. Emphasis on the word "likelihood."

To Jessej421's point, don't forget Russell Robinson was a 5 star guy; Sasha Kaun a high 4 star; Cole Adrich at 5 star. All inside the top 50. Of our rotation in 2008, only Darnell Jackson was outside the top 50 (I believe appx. 65).

Chris Bailey 9 years, 7 months ago

Wait a minute? Don't we have 2 players committed for 2013 that are in the top 30? I mean let's face it Frankamp and Greene are nothing to sneeze at! Frankamp is a hell of a player. Gotta admit aside from his ranking I don't know much about Greene but you don't get that ranking for nothing. I agree we don't want one and done players but we have BMac top 40, Traylor, (they are basically first year players) and Ellis top 25, White top 50 mix in the other 3 recruits from 2012 and I say it's a heck of a team coming up. So it's not like we don't have some very talented players coming into the program this fall and next fall our class is already looking good anything else in the top 30 would be a homerun for Self in my opinion. And I think we stand a descent chance to land another big time player.

Robin Smith 9 years, 7 months ago

Right you are rxdoc1973, they are both excellent and it looks very likely that we will add one or two more equally excellent players. It's asking too much to expect any higher level of success than we already have.

HEM's right about the 10-50 range, because even as we account for the variations across differing recruiting sites, 1-10 are the ones with OAD expectations, 10-50 are legit NBA prospects with potential, 50-80 are great college starter prospects with potential, and beyond that you have contributors with potential. There are guys who surpass and fall short of these expectations, so bets are off when it comes to judging individuals (which is the true crux of it), but in general these groupings hold fairly true. And thus we have the star system.

Generally you want a mix of players since not everyone can have the rock in their hand, or take 20 shot attempts, or fill each role on the team.

I think a large part of the complaining about recruiting has to do with Calipari's uncanny success rate -- it can't last. Even though they won last year it still remains to be seen whether it was a fluke or not.

Lastly don't forget that the rankings are not as important for Kansas as it is for other schools because we have coaches and trainers who grow their players.

Phil Leister 9 years, 7 months ago

Big bummer regarding Demetrius Jackson.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

We'll be OK. He obviously has the big fish / little pond syndrome.

Martin Rosenblum 9 years, 7 months ago

I've been to various aquariums where the big fish don't seem any more happy than the little fish. They also don't appear to be given respect just for being bigger, either. Actually, they usually seem rather lethargic and freakish!

Jack Wilson 9 years, 7 months ago

nuleaf: I just think it was a matter of geography .. being close to home. Some kids need that. If he had UCLA, or Florida amongst his choices, it might be different. But his only visits were Illinios and hometown ND. If you saw video on this kid talking, you would be impressed. Well spoken, sounds humble. As noted above, lives with a foster family.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

HEM - I'm sure you're right about him - it's just me.

I have the " If you don't want to go to KU, there must be something wrong with you " syndrome ! lol

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

~Wow! This is the first time I recall Self having to stop a Boot Camp session because the players couldn't finish, and reset again in the afternoon! OMGoodness!

~Maybe the frosh got overconfident after he was a pussy cat on the Euro trip? Maybe they thought that was how hard it was going to get?

~Demetrious choosing between ND and Illini? Over KU? A very uninformed, or poorly advised young man? Or both? Or what?

~On the one hand, its early and Self will probably corral more talent by the end of this recruiting season. The man's drive and take-what-they-do-and-use-it-on-them skill means he will find some more cracks in doors that now seem locked.

But there is another hand. And so I keep coming back to the hypothesis of talent diversion explaining some of this strange phenomenon of players choosing lesser coaches and lesser programs than Self and KU.

And I keep recalling talent being diverted from Norm Roberts, because he tried to recruit "the right way," at St. John's.

Whether the hypothesis were refuted or not, I note an apparent phenomenon now occuring in the 20 to 50 rank players. Not just with the OADs, as used to be the case.

Think about Self: phenomenal 84% W&L statement highest over last five years. Gets 13/10ths out of last year's team and plays the UKWildOADs in the finals last season. Ring in '08. A steady string of lower nonOADs developing into NBA draft choices. Increasingly regarded as the most over-achieving coach, and one of the three best coaches of his generation. Never a season of forfeits at any program he ever coached. Not even Calipari Forfeits; you know, the ones that happened on his watch that he did not know about. And yet the tier of players appears to keep widening that appear to keep going to lesser programs with lesser coaches.

What is wrong with this picture?

Self, the man known far and wide as one of the top recruiters before he even got to KU, now apparently experiences a Big Diversion. But by whom? The ShoeCo-Summer Game-Agency Complex? Or some axis within it? Does the FBI keep a list of the Ten Most Wanted Talent Diverters? Maybe one of the LJW pros could interview George Raveling, global representative for Nike Shoes, and ask him if he has any ideas on what is going on in the world of recruiting. I read somewhere that he indicated he thinks the problems in recruiting are reaching something of a crisis point. On his web site,, Raveling seems very willing to be quoted on a wide array of subjects. Sonny Vaccaro also seems to have a lot to say about recruiting problems, even now that he appears to be less pivotal in the shoe business. Maybe he has some insight into what, if anything, is happening to Self and KU. It can't hurt to ask.

Ben Simonett 9 years, 7 months ago


"The ShoeCo-Summer Game-Agency Complex"

you nailed it right on the head. Shoe company allegiance is THE most influential deciding factor in recruiting these days. I can speak from first hand experience that recruiting battle lines are drawn very early down shoe brand associations. Kids get sorted into "nike kids" and "addidas kids" usually by freshman year of highschool(for the top guys at least).

That being said, when I look at the staff's list of recruiting targets I mentally eliminate the Nike kids as realistic possibilities to sign. What has me worried is Self and staff are missing much more than they use to on the addidas and under armor kids the go after! i have no idea why that is.

Chris walker was an addidas kid who ended up choosing a Nike school. Watch this video to see how much emphasis he had to put on that action during his announcement speech:

starts at 2:28

Either the staying close to home draw was that important or something big made him stay away from our Addidas School

HawkKlaw 9 years, 7 months ago

It's funny, you point out how loyal these kids are to their shoe companies (of all things) and how that influences their decisions on choosing a college, but you can't wrap your head around the fact that there are a TON of other reasons why kids choose to go to school at places other than KU.

Face it, bennybob. From playing time, to location, to family, to even shoe company allegiance, these players have a lot to consider when choosing which school to go to. The fact that your favorite school is KU matters very little to them.

Ben Simonett 9 years, 7 months ago

I don't think I've ever implied that kids should choose KU because its my favorite school.

There are many factors involved that influence a kids descision, but it is a fact that most of those desciding points KU has a huge advantage over the programs Self has been losing out to.

I'm interpretting your posts to mean you dont believe KU should be held to higher standard on the recruiting trail than the run of the mill programs.

HawkKlaw 9 years, 7 months ago

It is most certainly not a fact that KU has a huge advantage over the other programs. One of the biggest factors in recruiting is location and family proximity. KU is in the middle of nowhere, KS. News Flash: People think Kansas is boring. It's not near the east or west coast. It's flat. It's really cold in the winter. Sometimes that's all it takes for a recruit to go elsewhere.

Should KU be held to a higher standing on the recruiting trail than, say, KSU or Oklahoma State? Certainly. Bill Self has always delivered on that. Should KU be held to a higher standard than Kentucky, UNC, Duke, or Syracuse? No, not in my opinion, especially when you consider how many games Bill Self wins every year.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago


Where is it written that family proximity is a huge advantage among Top 20 recruits? Top 50 recruits? What are the statistics backing your assumption? If location were so important, how could KU land even as much talent as it does? Kansas is thinly populated. it produces top prospects in brief clumps between extended droughts. KU has long depended on out of state players. So have most major programs located outside major population areas. UCLA might get along on its local talent, but even UNC and Duke have to range far and wide, despite their greater population densities than KU has in Kansas.

HawkKlaw 9 years, 7 months ago

It's not written anywhere, just like it's not written that "location" or "shoe-company affiliation" is a huge advantage among top 20 recruits. I never said it was a "huge advantage". I pointed out that there are a myriad of factors that contribute to how a player chooses which school to attend. Every recruit values things differently. For some, being close to their family is the most important thing in choosing a school. For others, playing time is the most important thing. Others, as you have mentioned, choose a school based on their shoe company affiliation. There is no "one huge advantage" in recruiting. It's different for each recruit.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Note: I'm not trying to speak for bennybob here, just trying clarify some comments here.


Your logic doesn't hunt.

Asserting the the ShoeCo-Summer Game-Agency Complex significantly constrains and influences player preferences, even decisively sometimes, in no way excludes other influences.



Since most players that are reputedly being influenced by the ShoeCo-Summer Game-Agency Complex do not reputedly talk openly about how and to what extent they are influenced in their choices, there would be no reason to assume Chris Walker would be an exception.

If you want to make a case for Chris Walker not being influenced by the Complex, produce the following evidence:

1) never played for a summer game team with ShoeCo sponsorship;

2) never wore a pair of ShoeCo shoes that were comped to him; and

3) never played in a meat market tournament put on by one or more elements of the ShoeCo-Summer League-Agency Complex.

If Walker meets these criteria, then I reckon one can jump for joy and conclude that there are reasons to think one player was not influenced in his decision by the Complex. Get back to me soon on this, will ya? I would really be cheered up by this news.


kDong (again),

Saying there was no "conspiracy" means nothing here since:

a) nothing is necessarily illegal about the ShoeCo-Summer League-Agency Complex influencing players preferences; and

b) there is nothing secret about the ShoeCo-Summer League-Complex; so

c) by definition the Complex is not a conspiracy.

Further, not talking publicly about subjects is mostly not a sign of a conspiracy either. I don't talk openly here about my sex life, nor do you about yours. I don't talk openly about my bank account here, nor do you about yours. In neither case is there a conspiracy involved. College players not talking publicly about the ways in which the ShoeCo-Summer Game-Agency Complex influence would likely as not just be another example of a non conspiracy.

Conspiracy is just plain irrelevant to this discussion of the Complex.

The Complex exists. No one in their right mind doubts that it does. It is a constellation of enterprises in an economic space. It is not a conspiracy.

All for now.

HawkKlaw 9 years, 7 months ago

I think you missed the point of my post, master jay. To clarify, I was stating that bennybob refuses to admit that there are a bunch of reasons that recruits choose other schools, yet he points out that they might choose other schools based on their shoe company affiliation. I never said it excluded other influences.

Oooh, oooh! "Next."

Ben Simonett 9 years, 7 months ago

"There are many factors involved that influence a kids descision"

that's a direct quote from my post.

why would you need a post stating i refused to admit something i outright stated?

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago


I completely hit your point out of the flipping ball park!

That is why you are resorting to the empty rhetorical devise of you completely missed my point.

Come on, kDong, you completley missed my point!


Ben Simonett 9 years, 7 months ago

wow, a post without calling me name!

UK is a Nike school, Walker was an Addidas kid I'm not suprised Callipari didn't land him. Of course Callipari has always had Julius Randle(a Nike Kid) as a higher priority target for the same position as well.

Want to make a wager Randle goes to UK?

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

"If you can avoid making stupid assertions and whining, I have no reason to mock you." --kDong

I like that. I apply it to you always. :-)

Robin Smith 9 years, 7 months ago

dude, get a life, your act is so tiresome

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

See Robin, I do listen to you. I did not respond. :-)

Robin Smith 9 years, 7 months ago

I find it hard to do that myself :D

You are a reasonable fellow, jaybate.

Since we're here, now, in the wasteland that stretches out from wherever your SerialAdmirer posts, I will say that on principle I object to the firing of any coach short of four full seasons, barring special circumstances.

Turner Gill was not given a fair shake.

HawkKlaw 9 years, 7 months ago

Lesser programs with lesser coaches? What an "entitled KU fan boy" thing to say.

Obviously, Demetrius Jackson made his decision based on location. He's had this decision made for a while now. It would have been great for him to visit KU, but what's the point when he's already made up his mind? It had nothing to do with Bill Self or poor recruiting.

Ben Simonett 9 years, 7 months ago

"Gordon’s high school coach, Tim Kennedy, said Gordon knows the least about KU than any of his finalists."

How does a supposedly top target make it all the way to his senior year without learning everything possible about the KU program? The other bluebloods have been bombarding their top '14 targets since they were freshman, I know for a fact that coach K has been making calls with them personally over that time.

This quote tells me Gordon is not really a top target and the staff is just going through the motions hoping something crazy will happen and their minimum effort will somehow convince the kid.

Gordon is a west coast Nike guy, he's not coming to a mid west addidas school. Vonleh on the other hand plays for an Addidas sponsored AAU team and has been recruited heavily. Seems the staff caught a break to make up for missing on Chris Walker

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 7 months ago

Now that he's showing more interest in KU he'll learn more. He knows the west coast teams well, and UK is going to target every guy in the top5 heavily each year. For once I'm excited about the guys waiting 'til spring just 'cause so many have made decisions before even visiting KU.

The Vonleh move up helps, but probably not because he actually picks KU. OSU and IU should both have big openings for him after this season, but anything that takes people's efforts from other targets or puts more bigs in the class will help Self land a quality big.

wildjayhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

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Tony Bandle 9 years, 7 months ago

  • The term "stupid idiot" would imply that there are "smart idiots". That sometimes feels like my own category!!
  • Reason for the Boot Camp interruption.....they had to empty all the barf cans.
  • No surprise on Jackson..he was using toilet paper with shamrocks on it.
  • Noah "The Ark" Vonleh....we gotta get this kid..the nickname potential is endless!!

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago


Stupid idiots/smart idiots.


jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Thx 4 the assist.

(How's that for short?)

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago


Ever see Body Heat with Kathleen Turner as Matty, the con woman, and William Hurt, the lawyer thinking with his you know what.

Matty: [to Ned] You aren't too smart, are you? I like that in a man.

Ned: What else do you like? Lazy? Ugly? Horny? I got 'em all.

Matty: You don't look lazy.

KUsmoothies 9 years, 7 months ago

This post says a lot more about you than it does Jaybate

HawkKlaw 9 years, 7 months ago

Recruiting slump? There's a debate on these boards about it, but apparently the national sports media outlets haven't noticed (read: there is none).

Talent slump? Emphatically and absolutely "NO."

Rock Chalk.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

Analysing why Self is losing out repeatedly right now on exactly the kinds of players he is looking for and has PT for, and losing out on these players to lesser coaches at lesser programs, in no way precludes KU from being a talented team this year.

Invalid logic that you connect the two things.


Curtis Stutz 9 years, 7 months ago

But Jaybate, if he has a talented team he doesn't necessarily have PT for them right?

HawkKlaw 9 years, 7 months ago

I actually didn't connect them at all. In fact, I illustrated how the two are different.

Ooh, I get to say "Next" now too! I'm cool as hell on these boards, dog.

HawkKlaw 9 years, 7 months ago

No, I didn't. And no, I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong. Your resorting to name-calling actually confirms your surrender to my point. I clearly contrasted Recruiting Slump vs. Talent Slump, but then again I don't expect you to see past your ego on this one.

Someone doesn't handle defeat well.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 7 months ago

I would suggest that we just wait and see on the recruiting here. Self nailed down top recruits that gave us a national title in 2008. Since that time, he has really had excellent results except for the minor hiccup in 2011 where we only got one high quality guy (McLemore, Tharpe, Traylor, Anderson, Lindsay). And he followed that up by getting to a Final Four without his top recruit (McLemore). We can give him a pass on the 2011 class as it is truly a hiccup.

We are thin (but that happens from time to time). We have only one "on paper" quality post player for 2013 .. Ellis. This is a big deal. But early returns indicate that Peters may be a guy that surprises. And of Peters, Traylor, and Lucas, we only need one to surprise. Self does need to get a top 50 post player for 2013 and everything will be right in the world. That is a must. Then, if either Lucas or Traylor become a viable rotation guy, we have the 4 we need. Who knows .. Self might get two bigs for 2013.

We are also thin at the 1-2 spots .. specifically ball handling. For 2013, we have Tharpe and Frankamp. Self has already indicated McLemore is not a ballhandler. Don't count on Greene in that mix. That is a bit scary. Whomever we land will not be primary ballhandler material (unless we get a Roddy Peters surprise). But if we know one thing, Self will make it work.

How does he make that work? Who has been the biggest beneficiary of what has occurred since Aug. 1? Anrio Adams.

Adams must feel blessed. Doyle leaves. Winner by TKO. Top guards pass. Winner by decision. Now, all he needs is no more top 50 guards in this class, and Adams wins by knockout. Then he must perform. The pins are set up for Adams to be a rotation player, he just needs to knock them down.

If I were Adams, I would dribble everywhere I go. Make it his mission to be a "nails" ballhandler. If he does, missing on another guard in this class might not be that big of a deal.

Boy, though, Wayne Seldon would look awful nice in a KU uniform.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 7 months ago

HEM for President...better than the two current smart idiots!!

Tony Bandle 9 years, 7 months ago

PS Then again, the Mayans may put us all out of our misery come this December!!

REHawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Good advice for Adams. I've known a high school player who carried and dribbled a ball everywhere he went for several years. Often dribbled two balls while watching TV in family basement. Not quite so fast and athletic as many recruits, but he earned a scholly and started at a Div. I school which was quite competitive.

Alohahawk 9 years, 7 months ago

I've been spouting Selden's name for a couple weeks now. I've read in a couple places that he has PG capabilities, and at 6' 5" and with his strong frame he could produce some mean drives up the lane.

I agree on your thoughts about Rio as well. I don't doubt he's a team player, but he's got to be thinking, "Someone up there likes me.", and feeling pretty lucky about what's happened so far. He definitely has a fifth gear when it comes to speed. With that in hand, he should be up to Self's expectations on the defensive end.

Meanwhile, it may take another year, but I hope Tharpe proves to be the PG everyone hopes he will turn out to be. Maybe not spectacular, but someone Self can depend on to come through in the clutch. Keep grinding away at that rough stone until you turn into a polished diamond, Nadir.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

"Some Teams the Big 12 Should Add to Make Recruiting Easier for Self"

University of Hawaii (Diamond Head and Waikiki are still draws and the temperature range is 80-82F) University of Hawaii-Hilo (games played over on Kona Coast though) Miss Nude USA College (this is a little known college for beautiful women preparing for a short career in beauty contesting) Key West College (mascot--The Fighting Parrot Heads) Bermuda College (superb fishing in Bermuda shorts, high tea, 70-71F) Grenada College (it was worth invading to save a medical school for dumb rich kids that can't get into state side schools, and they never locate those kinds of things in lousy spots) Cayman State University (secret banking, with a short hop to Panama for secret incorporation) St. Kitts College (some of the most intense tan lines in D1) Southwest Jamaica State (Jamaica mahn!)

HawkKlaw 9 years, 7 months ago

Geez, what's with the Self hate all the sudden today? You really wanted Demetrius Jackson that badly?

Next. Er, more??? I'll get the hang of this cool internet stuff you do yet!

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

HawkKlaw, stop hating on Self.

Is that the way I am supposed to do it? :-)

You are so transparent, you're not a challenge.

Man-up a little, if you're going to try to play games. :-)

Now, seriously, do they have to feed you food, too?

Man, I am defending Self every which way but up from the ShoeCo-SummerGame-Agency Complex that sank Norm Roberts a couple years back and appears to be making it difficult for Self, too.

Is there some kind of pill you take to misunderstand me, or are you just born this way?

Oh, my, NEXT.

HawkKlaw 9 years, 7 months ago

You call me transparent, say I need to man-up, and that I'm no challenge.

Yet you seem to be barking pretty loud, for an argument that is no challenge.

You seem pretty upset with the things I've said. For a guy that poses no threat, that seems fairly odd.

I'm not here to "challenge" you like some gladiator of old. This is a message board, dude. You've resorted to childish, name-calling games as opposed to having an intelligent conversation. In light of that, I'm done with it. If you want to talk KU hoops I'll be hanging around.


mikehawk 9 years, 7 months ago

By now, it should be clear kids who are high rated put us on their list whether they are really interested in us, or not. Because we are on a high recruit's list, only means it is in the player's best interest to list the top programs in the country as a means of buiding the value of their own stock. In reality, in most cases, it means nothing. Coach/staff know which kids are really serious about us based on direct, or indirect relationships with the player, their family, and/or AAU or high school coach, or if they have some sort of childhood-based love/relationship with KU. The second tier impacting consideration is who is currently on the roster and what are my chances of playing a great deal the first year. The truth is, we are stocked for a few years with a stable of young, talented, wing players, and a great 2 coming in next year. If you were are 2 through 4 would you be interested in KU? We've already had one player read the tea leaves and bolt. Coach seems to be targeting point guards and bigs, for obvious reasons. But so is just about everyone else. We really need Nadir to surprise all of us this year. Is the missing Danny factor impacting our ability to recruit bigs in the short run? Time will tell.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 7 months ago

Not trying to ruin anyone's evening .. but this just in at ESPN:

The Kansas Jayhawks have been growing their point guard list in the last two weeks. Making an official visit this weekend to Lawrence is three-star point guard Frank Mason (Richmond, Va./Massanutten Military).

The post-graduate point guard signed with Towson last season before failing to qualify. He made an unofficial visit to Maryland and Virginia Tech while South Carolina, UTEP and Rutgers have offered. Alabama is also in the mix.

Mason was part of a Team Loaded squad that captured the Fab 48 title in Las Vegas.

Justin Daniel 9 years, 7 months ago

Why would we pick up this kid after passing on Jordan Woodard? Woodard would have been the perfect complement to Frankamp. This has Milton Doyle and Merv Lindsay written all over it.

jaybate 9 years, 7 months ago

ESPN can kiss my symbolic revolver! They are making this up!!!


Actually, Self has given up completely on everything but swagger.

This guy is military.

He is extreme swagger!!!

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