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Thursday, October 18, 2012

Cummings or Crist? KU, OU downplay quarterback question’s effect on prep

Kansas backup quarterback Michael Cummings works out during practice on Wednesday, Oct. 10, 2012 at Memorial Stadium.

Kansas backup quarterback Michael Cummings works out during practice on Wednesday, Oct. 10, 2012 at Memorial Stadium.

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A day closer to kickoff and the mystery remains: Who will start at quarterback for the Kansas University football team this weekend at Oklahoma?

The answer, which has been guarded closely by the KU coaches and players throughout the week, figures to be red-shirt freshman Michael Cummings or fifth-year senior Dayne Crist, though it’s possible that Kansas could open up in the Jayhawk formation, making junior Christian Matthews the correct answer.

But when it comes to taking snaps and tossing the football against the Sooners, Cummings and Crist figure to be the guys who will handle the bulk of the work.

The differences between the two have been well documented. Crist, KU’s starter through the first six games, has a better build (6-foot-4, 235 pounds), more experience and a greater understanding of KU coach Charlie Weis’ offense. Cummings, who has played in the final quarter of each of KU’s past two games, is more mobile but shorter (5-10, 201) and has a deceptively strong arm for a guy who lacks prototypical QB size.

Physical make-up is not the only area in which these two are different.

“As far as learning the whole playbook, there’s a drastic difference between Dayne and Michael,” said KU quarterbacks coach Ron Powlus. “There’s no doubt about it. But Mike’s grown a lot and I think he’s gotten better in all phases.”

The things that set his top two quarterbacks apart, and the way those elements can benefit the Jayhawks this weekend in Norman, Okla. — 6:05 p.m. kickoff Saturday at OU’s Memorial Stadium — seem likely to be the cornerstone of Weis’ gameplan for the Sooners. But while Weis said earlier this week that both Cummings and Crist would play against the Sooners, OU coach Bob Stoops did not seem like a coach who thought the identity of the guy taking KU’s snaps would matter much.

“They’re not that much different,” Stoops told SoonerScoop.com on Wednesday. “I don’t see that. When (Cummings) went into the game the other day, it wasn’t that much different. So it’s not really that big a deal.”

If there’s one area in which Stoops’ comments ring true, it’s in the way the KU coaches handled Cummings and Crist this week. Although the reps were split up more evenly in practice and both guys were asked to execute different duties in the revamped offense, neither was treated any differently mentally.

“You prepare like you’re gonna play,” KU quarterbacks coach Ron Powlus said. “So you treat Dayne the same way you’ve treated Dayne every day so far this year, and you treat Mike the same way. Both guys always have to have the mindset that they’re gonna play in the game and they’re gonna have significant roles.”

Comments

VaJay 9 years, 7 months ago

“They’re not that much different,” Stoops told SoonerScoop.com on Wednesday. “I don’t see that."

What game was Stoops watching??? He's either being dismissive about our offensive potential (which could certainly be the case) or he sees something I didn't see. I think its obvious MC provides us with an added dimension & was a definite impact on the big runs that Sims had, because they had to respect the QB as a running back.

What I would certainly like to see is Matthews running the Jayhawk formation & occasionally throwing the ball.

Steve Reigle 9 years, 7 months ago

I think Stoops was trying to be nice and saying one thing while meaning he thinks they're gonna kick our tails no matter who we put behind the ball.

wildjayhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Cummins seems to be the well rounded qb for the offense. Time for a change to get this program off the bottom and start some offense which will generate the defense.

Jeff Soisson 9 years, 7 months ago

'they're not that much different' = we don't care, you have no chance. Step up 'hawks and show them like Texas Tech did last year!

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 7 months ago

I get that we don't want to let OU in on too much of what we're game planning, but I'd like to see Cummings playing most of the game. I said this before KSU, I was afraid that playing that defense posed a real threat to Crist's confidence, boom he gets worked over. Would have been the opportune game to start Cummings, but at this point I just want to see HCCW developing our future QB and not worrying about Crist. He had his shot, he isn't going to make it to the next level, it was worth a try but let's move forward with this program. The defense has been on the right track, now get the offense there and maybe these guys can pull out a conference win yet.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 7 months ago

He is developing our future QB (Heaps).

But then I don't think I get your comment too much. Crist's confidence was destroyed by KSU, but if Cummings had been playing against KSU, his confidence wouldn't have been wrecked?

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 7 months ago

I don't think so 'cause he's not going to force a bunch of INT's.

Micky Baker 9 years, 7 months ago

You have no idea who the future QB is going to be. Baty, Heaps, Cummings. Nobody knows how that is going to play out next year, but I'm betting on Heaps at this point. Why? He's the scouting team QB throwing passes to McKay. Maybe Baty and Cummings are getting some reps there too, who knows.

Each one of these players will be at Kansas for the Spring and Fall Camps next year.

Geekinout 9 years, 7 months ago

As much as I hate to say it, I'd rather have a duel Qb system rather than an ineffective one and as much as I'd rather have Cummings be the starting Qb, bringing him along slowly might not be such a bad thing considering where he's at right now with experience... Just trying to keep positive!!

Jeff Suther 9 years, 7 months ago

Dont know if you guys have been seeing my posts but I willl say it again... Dayne Crist offers nothing to the offense.. NOTHING. If Crist plays i would consider it a firerable offense for Weis.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 7 months ago

Not ready to go that far, do think Weis has clouded judgement in this department, but he's comfortable with Crist as a QB he knows, so you have to give him a little room for error here. If nothing else the more Crist plays the less chance Cummings has at being injured this season. I won't completely count out things turning around for Crist, but obviously you have to go with the percentages and hope for a win and playing Cummings over Crist is going with the best odds to win.

okiedave 9 years, 7 months ago

The Jayhawks football invading Oklahoma this Saturday. The big story in the Tulsa World about KU is an article on Bill Self. Sign of the times I guess.

Bee Bee 9 years, 7 months ago

KU would have a better chance with SELF at qb!

Katie Bieber 9 years, 7 months ago

I see more confirmation bias in these comments than in the World Series of Poker. Crist's stats are bad so he must be terrible. Cummings comes in and James Sims scores TDs so Cummings is better than Crist. How does one convince himself that is a legitimate thought? Nobody likes to lose games, but we are playing pro-style offense now with a QB that can sit in the pocket and wait. For a pocket passer, if the receivers aren't open, you have 3 options: take a sack (or run...same result), throw it away, or try to force a completion. Now I won't try to deny Crist has missed some wide open receivers, but it is so unfair to give up on him when he came here, not to be a professional athlete for your entertainment, but to study his craft with a professor he respects, at an institution he could not have known would have such toxic, vitriolic, unrealistic, frustrated, intolerant, neurotic, panicked, impatient, unattached, dismissive fans having an ostentatious lack of fortitude, loyalty, or trust because they feel fooled by the previous coach and AD and now feel entitled to immediate manifestation of rediculous, nostalgic expectations from a student-athlete who presented neither a persona, nor an ego, demandidng such irresponsible, premature, baptismal equity, and who would fold on him faster than the Seven-Deuce at first sign of trouble. He is in a slump. Even so, if you want Kansas to be at its best, it's with a guy who knows the playbook and has support of fans who realize that he didn't come here to win an Orange Bowl. This fan base has become so fickle that it has put unnecessary pressure on a 24-year-old kid, who must be all too aware that fans are ready to strike his name from every book and tablet for missing Kale Pick in the endzone, but worse than that it is forcing Charlie Weis to make decisions that maybe aren't in the best interest of the team, regardless of how things appear from the bleachers, because he knows he only has 6 games left before Jayhawk Nation attaches the scientifically neutral, but somehow athletically negative, word "experiment" to his name and the recruiting and revenue highways built during his first season will crumble like the streets of Lawrence after the first snow. Stop acting like blue-balled idiots, and just let the Super Bowl rings do the thinking.

nwhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Whatever. The guy played (and took plenty of heat) at Notre Dame. I think he can handle KU fan expectations.

Micky Baker 9 years, 7 months ago

It doesn't matter what anyone here says. You're locked in without an open mind.

Micky Baker 9 years, 7 months ago

The guy started less than a full season at Notre Dame. PAY ATTENTION!

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Dayne, what are you doing up past midnight? Get your rest my lad, we still have practice tomorrow. Love, Dad Weis.

Katie Bieber 9 years, 7 months ago

C'mon, Dude. I've seen your posts before. You can do better than that.

Ron Prichard 9 years, 7 months ago

Seriously? If you think this fan base is bad, try OU, where people were talking about firing Stoops after they lost to KSU earlier this year. Or how about Nebraska where they fired Solich after he had a winning season. What do you think the fans there say about the players and coaches when the team isn't winning?

I have been on here defending Crist and Coach Weis. However, if other people come on here and give their opinions and it isn't just negative blathering, then that's their right. This is an outlet, a passion, and entertainment. People are going to critique the product.

So, come down off your high horse and join the discussion. Just don't think your opinion doesn't stink as much as mine or phogphan's, or nuleaf's, or anyone elses.

Katie Bieber 9 years, 7 months ago

I agree with you. I just reached my boiling point with this issue last night. I will say, however, that the idea of presenting one's opinion while not being on a "high horse" is not an opinion that is likely to draw attention on a message board. Those who present the emboldened and concrete stance that Crist is done, are also stably mounted.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

raprichard - that was a darn fine comment, and something a lot of people can't even comprehend. I especially like your statement about this being " an outlet, a passion, and entertainment". This place should be fun for all of us, regardless if we agree with the next person or not.

And thank you for including me in the elite group of people whose comments stink - lol.

Micky Baker 9 years, 7 months ago

Crtique, not RIDICULE. There is a difference!

Reuben_J_Cogburn 9 years, 7 months ago

First of all, Cummings threw a touchdown. Hole in your argument.

Second of all, the offense has been stagnant, and unfortunately, pro-style offense only works in college when you have excellent personnel to make it work. We do not, therefore, Crist's lack of mobility is a liability.

No one....and I reiterate...no one has knocked this kid's character. WE ALL WERE BEGGING FOR HIM TO SUCCEED. But facts are facts...he has been uneffective, and we have to make a change.

Don't be concerned when the fanbase calls for a quarterback switch....be concerned with a coach who refuses to do so.

Katie Bieber 9 years, 7 months ago

If one touchdown pass is a large enough data sample for you to poke a hole in my argument, consider this: Both QBs are completing about 50% of their passes. Both QBs are gaining approximately 12.4 yds per completion. Those things being equal, we must consider how much of a liability Crist is while running the football. Dayne is losing 2.4 yds per carry. Definitively, he is a liability. However, Cummings is losing 3.2 yds per carry! He's even MORE of a liability. Factoring both passing and rushing together, Crist averages a positive 5.13 yds per play, while Cummings averages 4.11 yds per play. Now, I'm not being unreasonable here. Cummings' intangibles are tempting to get reps in games and he should be getting some, but the numbers are absolutely not in favor of making a full-on switch. To think that a single touchdown and some increase in James Sims' rushing efficiency against a tired OkSt defense suggests Cummings was the cause, is silly. Stats courtesy of kuathletics.com.

NebraskaJayhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

I actually share your sentiments to a point. However, if Cummings is to the point where he knows the pro-style offense Weis is implementing, it is time to give him a serious look for the remainder of the season. There is a pretty strong contingency that appreciates the fact that Crist came to Kansas even through these losses. But unfortunately, he has struggled with his accuracy and decision making in every game he has played in. I do agree with your critic of this fan base, however. Kansas has never had a serious commitment to football since I've been alive. We've had some good teams and some good seasons, but not consistantly. Weis needs time to build this program. Please be patient.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 7 months ago

How can it be confirmation bias? All we want is to see Cummings given the chance to run the team for a game. Crist has had multiple opportunities to be the starting QB and KU isn't winning, we're losing the games. What logical reason do we have to keep Crist in the starting spot. I hate that Cummings goes out and knows that if it ends up being 3rd and long he's getting yanked for Crist who might be given a 3rd and a 4th down to try to complete a pass. I didn't even watch the 4th quarter against OSU I was so disturbed by Weis' decision making. Let's give Cummings a chance to step up and be that guy. Why are we going back to a QB that's proven he can't get it done against a decent opponent. Also did you compare statistics against the same opponent, or is Crist getting undue credit from those statistics for games against the early, weaker competition? It has nothing to do with expectations, we just want to give Cummings a chance to succeed rather than continue to give Crist more and more opportunities when all the data we have suggests he's incapable of getting a win against Big12 competition.

Katie Bieber 9 years, 7 months ago

"How can it be confirmation bias?"

Because some fans feel that Cummings is the better QB when cumulative statistical data says otherwise.

"All we want is to see Cummings given the chance to run the team for a game."

You have a right to want what you want, but I don't make the decisions and even if I did, I could not, in numerical conscience, acquiesce to that position.

"Crist has had multiple opportunities to be the starting QB and KU isn't winning, we're losing the games."

True.

"What logical reason do we have to keep Crist in the starting spot."

See the statistics posted earlier. Crist 5.13 YPP. Cummins 4.11 YPP.

"I hate that Cummings goes out and knows that if it ends up being 3rd and long he's getting yanked for Crist who might be given a 3rd and a 4th down to try to complete a pass."

How do you think Cummings ended up in a 3rd and Long situation? Kudos to Crist for not complaining about trying to bail the freshman out of a situation where the chances are slim for ANY QB.

"I didn't even watch the 4th quarter against OSU I was so disturbed by Weis' decision making."

That's your choice, but bear in mind that I find it a bit disturbing you decided to post your "3rd and long" sentence before thinking about it.

"Let's give Cummings a chance to step up and be that guy."

I totally think he should get snaps. I do not agree he should be that guy until BOTH the numbers and intangibles are in Cummings' favor.

"Why are we going back to a QB that's proven he can't get it done against a decent opponent."

Because Cummings hasn't proven be better. Intangibles, by definition, don't prove anything. Therefore, numbers matter when trying to prove things. Read on...

"Also did you compare statistics against the same opponent, or is Crist getting undue credit from those statistics for games against the early, weaker competition?"

The stats I gave are cumulative season totals. However, if you need it against the same competition, I have the time today to help you out, you lucky dog! Cummings' stats don't change. He is 7/14 passing, making his percentage 50%. Crist, in the KSU and OSU games is 26/49 passing, making his completion percentage 53%. Rushing, Cummings is still losing 3.25 ypc, while Crist, in the same two games, is losing 2.25 ypc. Overall, Cummings is still worth 4.11 yds per play, while Crist, against only those same opponents, IMPROVES (from 5.13) to 5.39 yds per play. What this proves is that Crist is improving faster than the competition is growing tougher.

"It has nothing to do with expectations, we just want to give Cummings a chance to succeed rather than continue to give Crist more and more opportunities when all the data we have suggests he's incapable of getting a win against Big12 competition."

Pants on fire.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 7 months ago

So you're telling me if we just went off what happens on 1st and 2nd down for Eli Manning that would be a fair assessment of his ability? Or any other starting QB for that matter. Weis is more than happy to give Crist 4 downs to try to pick up some yards. Also I want to mention that in earlier games Cummings had to play with Crist on the field so basically with 10 guys on offense 'cause everybody knows Crist isn't gonna burn somebody down the field with those knees. Basically you want Cummings to prove to you he's better without actually getting to play QB. That's absolute nonsense.

Katie Bieber 9 years, 7 months ago

Yes, that would be a fair assessment of his ability, or any other starting QB for that matter. First down, and second down depending on what happens on first down, are plays in which the offense has odds to either throw or run. That leaves the QB some room for decision making, while the defense is guessing. When Dayne, who has the better stats, comes in on 3rd and long, as you suggest, to "try to complete a pass", well....do you think it's a fair assessment of his ability just to judge what happens on 3rd and long? Because even you apparently know he's going to pass.

Now about the nonsense stuff...You said: "Basically you want Cummings to prove to you he's better without actually getting to play QB." What did I reply to your sentence above that reads: "Let's give Cummings a chance to step up and be that guy."??? Please, take the time to read it instead of wasting mine.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 7 months ago

Wow, but if Cummings was left out there on 3rd down they might not know what the offense was going to do. You're ridiculous, you're saying if Joe Montana needed 3 downs to pick up a 1st he was a failure. Look at any other QB switch in the history of football and it wasn't done based on the backup already proving he was better on the field than the starter, it was done 'cause the starter wasn't getting the job done and the coach decided to give the backup a chance. The closest Cummings has had to that chance was apparently the 4th quarter against OSU. Playing him 2 downs at a time is not giving him a chance. Take your catch22 back to crazy land with you.

Katie Bieber 9 years, 7 months ago

Ok, I'm sorry for being a bit short with you. However, you still aren't smelling what I'm cooking here. A QB who needs 3 downs to pick up a first is not a failure. I never said that. I'm using your own scenario of a 3rd and long ONLY. If it's 3rd and 3, I definitely leave Cummings in to try to pick up the first because he can scramble, and to a degree, the defense must guess. When it's 3rd and 5+, this is statistically a passing down. Weis is only playing the odds by reinserting Crist because he has better passing stats than Cummings. The stats aren't debatable. Look, I get that the intensity picked up in the OSU game in the 4th qtr. I saw it to. But as I stated in a thread of a previous article, correlation does not equal causation. It is a team sport and solutions are not merely as simple as they seem to those of us who simply see the 3 hour product of 20 previous hours of that week. We can disagree here and still be fine in our lives. If I were coach, I would look at both math and intangibles and favor math. You might be the opposite. Many coaches subscribe to my style and many to yours. I still start Crist and give some snaps to Cummings until the numbers change. Then I switch, not before. That, in a nutshell, is all I'm saying. Are we cool?

duanep5ku 9 years, 7 months ago

dstnku34, I will try to elaborate some of my own thoughts now,but your post was brilliant enough with a great grasp of the situation. In my opinion when we heard that Dayne was coming to Kansas. The fan base was very exited to hear that he decided to come to KU. The news of Dayne coming to Kansas got a lot of us fans thinking big and that he would be our savior. The reality is tough for us to grasp that Dayne did not meet our expectations, but who are we to judge him. Dayne came to us with the intentions to help build Kansas football. It may not be working out on the field but I appreciate the decision he made to be here and i wish, Dayne all the best on and off the field. Okay the reality is without an offensive line Dayne really did not have a great chance to succeed with this type of offense. The pro style offense is fine but Kansas does lack those type of receivers to work. Yes I know their were missed passes ,but if you get your bell rung enough,combined with the fear of the rush,well the results speak for them selfs. I also would like to see changes made too,but if the QB change is made. Let's not forget if OU pushes the offensive line in Cummings face. It might not be any better, he might get killed. I do understand wanting to try a new QB, but for it to work ,The team would have to hold OU offensive line out of the back field. How many think are offensive line can hold OU? If Cummings plays he better get the pass off,quick in short passes, because the O line will probably be getting shoved in his face. If they can't hold position, Cummings would still be in the back field, probably losing yardage. I hope for the best Saturday but for Cummings to have a chance,he better have a quick release and be on target. I'm excited about this team despite the loses, I'm also glad Dayne came to Kansas .

flyingfinn 9 years, 7 months ago

I am tired of hearing the excuses for KU quarterbacks that the offensive line is the problem because though not great they do an decent job. The great quarterbacks ( and this guy is suppose to be a 5 star) complete passes at the high school, college and pro level in the face of pressure and this guy can not hit open receivers even when given the time.

Micky Baker 9 years, 7 months ago

ENough of this crap. You have the right and the ability to be honest, but you're not exercising it yet.

Jayhawker111 9 years, 7 months ago

Crist has shown he cannot get it done.

Crist is now like a deer looking into the headlights.

Time to bench Crist and play whomever else is on the roster.

Need to look to the future and Crist is not the future.

Weis has shown way too much patience waiting for Crist to perform.

Playing Crist again this week is a bad move and does not help Kansas football.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 7 months ago

However, the pro-style offense is in KU's future and there is a good chance Heaps will be our QB of the future. If the other 10 players are used to playing that style, it might be beneficial in the long run to continue to run that type of offense.

jhox 9 years, 7 months ago

I get that Weis feels an obligation to Crist. He talked him into coming here and turning down Wisconsin. At the same time, Crist has th be realistic about the situation and understand that he's simply not performed, and this is a performance based business. Charlie has been more than patient and given him every opportunity to turn things around, and then some. We're at he point in the season where we need to start looking to the future of the program. Next year Heaps is the clear number one. This is a great chance to get Cummings experience and see what he's capable of. Frankly, I wish they were not red shirting Baty. It would be a great opportunity to see what he brings to the table as well.

Jayhawker111 9 years, 7 months ago

Heaps is not a clear number one for the future.

Heaps while at BYU was beat out by Nelson and now Nelson has been beaten out by a freshman. It is a huge unknown how good Heaps and Nelson are --as BYU lately has not been a good team.

Hopefully Wies does not just hand Heaps the job like he handed it to Crist ---huge mistake. Hopefully Weis has learned that you need to make the players earn the starting position.

NebraskaJayhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

I agree wholeheartedly, and this is why I think it's a good reason to play Cummings the rest of the season. Let's open up the competition at QB.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 7 months ago

First of all, the QB position was not handed to Crist. Crist came in and showed leadership, don't forget he even reached out to Heaps as an aid to recruitment. Second, if you read the article is states that he knows the offense and the playbook very well. If you don't remember in the spring game he went 12 for 12. My point is Crist earned the position. Now everyone can agree that the performance on the field hasn't been as good as we would like.

Next, Heaps situation is interesting. He beat out a QB in his Freshman year and took BYU to their bowl game and won. He then started against Ole Miss and Texas and Utah, which had stellar defenses (it should be noted he scored quite a bit against Texas, just didn't win the game). Against Utah State he struggled early and they pulled him. BYU barely won the game and then Nelson beat teams like New Mexico, Idaho, San Diego State, Wyoming and lost to any team that was bowl bound. This year when they played the Utah, Boise State, etc Nelson struggled and they replaced him with Hillis for the Hawaii game and he put up points and everyone now thinks that he is the better QB. My point is compare apples to apples. I guarantee right now, BYU would have loved to have Heaps on their sideline. He would be the starter.

Everything I heard before the season was it was too bad Heaps wasn't elgible because he is much better than Crist.

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 7 months ago

I kept thinking that Weis was waiting for that quarterback he remembers to emerge, and I'm afraid that guy is gone. Too many years and injuries.

Robert Brock 9 years, 7 months ago

"Everybody saw the difference with Cummings in the game."

The students didn't; they were somewhere on Massassachusetts at the time.

texashawk10 9 years, 7 months ago

And those bars have TV's that had the game on.

Jim Stauffer 9 years, 7 months ago

biggunz, And that is the reason I believe he will start Crist and if that fails, you bring in your ace from the bullpen, Cummings.

This sets it up for Cummings to either play well and be a hero or play poorly and have it attributed to OU just being superior.

Must protect Cummings' confidence.

Reuben_J_Cogburn 9 years, 7 months ago

I believed he'd start Crist too, and slowly ween Cummings into the game after the first series or two. But Tait got a different impression watching practice this week.

I guess we just need to put our faith in Weis and know he's got a plan. He had a great plan at K-State, and it was working in the first half. Inexperience, talent gap, and nerves began to show, and things unravelled from there.

But we did have an effective game plan.

Weis will use every asset at his disposal to make a run at OU.

AirCapJay 9 years, 7 months ago

The problem with Weis's offense playbook is you need pros to execute it. I don't think Weis's "schematic advantage" translates to college football. Weis is going to have to leave his playbook at home for a few years until he can recruit better.

NebraskaJayhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Well, it didn't work in Nebraska under Callahan. And he had great recruits. We'll see how this all pans out. There are, however, some similarities with the situations. Both were pro offensive coordinators and very good at what they did and so far both have not succeeded at the college level trying to implement pro-style offenses. One thing Nebraska did benefit from Callahan was some amazing recruiting classes which paid off after he was gone.

GridironHawk 9 years, 7 months ago

This is very true and will definitely be interesting to see how it plays out. Recruiting will be huge and will definitely take time. I've seen it written many times that for a pro-style offense to work you have to be better at almost every position on the field. The reason so many college coaches implement a spread offense is to bridge the talent gap between the big schools. It allows them to recruit less "talented" speed guys and put them in a spread offense to highlight their skills.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 7 months ago

Since I am deeply involved in the 2012/13 Hawk BBall team and the Cardinal run to ANOTHER World Series, I have been somewhat seperated from Hawk football.

It appears however we have a senior QB who is short on talent and a freshman QB who is short on experience.

You can't teach talent...but you can sure address experience. I say Crist gets a headphone, clipboard and baseball cap and Cummings plays....PERIOD!!

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 7 months ago

Actually, most would say that Crist has a lot of talent, but because he was brought in during coaching changes both at ND and now at KU, he hasn't played that much. So really one could question whether he doesn't have the experience. Didn't he only have like 10 starts at ND and that was over 2 years ago?

GridironHawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Crist is definitely not short on talent but the one aspect that really surprised me was his lack of mobility. I'm sure the two knee injuries didn't help but this guy is less mobile than Drew Bledsoe. Sure he has missed some big throws but I can attribute that to rust. His mobility does not look like it will ever improve and will definitely keep him from playing at the next level.

justinryman 9 years, 7 months ago

"Cummings, who has played in the final quarter of each of KU’s past two games, is more mobile but shorter (5-10, 201) and has a deceptively strong arm for a guy who lacks prototypical QB size.'

When are people going to give it a rest on size of a QB? Drew Brees 6-0 209lbs. Doug Flutie 5-10 180lbs. Russell Wilson 5-11 204lbs.

Non of them are your prototypical QB size, but not everyone can be built like the Mannings(Eli 6'4 215lbs, Peyton 6-5 230lbs)or Tom Brady 6-4 225lbs.

Even on the college level smaller QBs have had success. Todd Reesing, 5-11 200lbs. Tommy Frazier, 6-2 205lbs.(on a side not I stood next to Frazier and Im 6'2" and I was looking at a guy who was 6ft.)

Sam Brockert 9 years, 7 months ago

Todd reesing 5-11? Maybe in high heels! HAHA

Tony Bandle 9 years, 7 months ago

If Todd Reesing and Doug Flutie had a jump ball at centercourt...Flutie would win!!

hammerhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

All of this quarterback controversy and the fact is the mighty Kansas Jayhawks probably will not win another game all season. I'd like them to win of course, but they won't. It doesn't make a bit of difference which quarterback is playing Saturday, they will be on the ground much of the game due to a pounding OK D line.

And by the way, looking at QB size, it is important, IMHO, to have the biggest good player possible. Big is better in so many ways on the football field.

Reuben_J_Cogburn 9 years, 7 months ago

By your reasoning...we should just forfeit the rest of the games this year. And you should utilize that "big is better" comment and perhaps grow a pair.

justinryman 9 years, 7 months ago

O-Line, bigger is better. D-Line Bigger is better.

QB I want the smarter guy out there. The guy who can make the right plays at the right time. Not the guy who can be the biggest.

Biker bar. Bigger is better.

GridironHawk 9 years, 7 months ago

As much as I would love to see Cummings play the remainder of the year, there is far more to it then most fans want to see. Cummings has done well in the games he has played but that is also in backup rolls (not mop up but still backup...) where the defenses didn't know what to expect from him. Given a chance to game plan against him, defenses will have a better shot of stopping him. Also, if Weis goes with Cummings then he has to dummy down his playbook some or even change styles all together, which could set the team back some for the coming years. If he continues with Crist, then he feels the team will be much further along next year when another pro-style QB can take over (or Cummings understands more of the playbook). With that said, I do believe Cummings or the Jayhawk formation gives us the best chance to win this year but is 1 more chance win worth setting the forward progress of this team back? (I'm 50/50 on that...)

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 7 months ago

I think you hit on some key concepts and very well stated.

Most of us would not think Cummings is the QB of the future at KU.

Reuben_J_Cogburn 9 years, 7 months ago

Cummings' role in the OSU game was not "back up," my friend. It was "replacement."

He was brought in to try and win the game.

GridironHawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Agree. Replacement is a better word but still my point holds that the defense was not prepared for that.

Reuben_J_Cogburn 9 years, 7 months ago

And no one considers him the future of KU football. Consider the spark Jason Swanson gave us in the 2004 Kstate game replacing Adam Barman. He wasn't anything special, but he provided enough of an energy boost to the offense to take care of business.

He eventually started for us and did some good things. Not Whittemore or Reesing level play, but good things.

wavinghawk 9 years, 7 months ago

I think its time to give Cummings a shot. Crist's problems are the same he had when he was at ND. Turning the ball over and having problems with accuracy. Size and experience doesn't matter if you can't hit a wide open receiver or throwing INT's. Cummings is going to make mistakes he hasn't played in whole game in nearly 2 years but if we never give him a chance we will never know what we got.

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