Tuesday, March 27, 2012

Final Four field filled with royalty


The 2012 Final Four is being billed as one of the best in history, with No. 1 seed Kentucky, No. 2s Kansas and Ohio State and No. 4 Louisville set to duke it out in New Orleans.

“It’s a great field. You’ve got some of the most historic, tradition-rich programs in the country hooking up and going at it,” KU coach Bill Self said during Monday’s Final Four coaches teleconference.

“In ’08, we had an unbelievable field, too. It’s the first time we had all four No. 1 seeds advance,” Self added of KU, Memphis, North Carolina and UCLA.

“There’s not that much difference in the teams — (seeds) 1, 2, 3 … it doesn’t mean anything. You have to play the opponent across from you. In this particular year, there are no major surprises who is there,” Self continued. “I think it’ll be great for fans. Cinderella is always a great story, but no way you could ever say a Rick Pitino-coached team (Louisville) or Kansas or Ohio State or Kentucky will ever be a Cinderella. It makes for a more traditional-type high-profile Final Four similar to ’08.”

The way it stacks up, Kentucky has seven NCAA titles, but none since 1998, the year after Pitino left that school. KU has three (officially, to go with the two Helms titles), Louisville two and Ohio State one.

“These are four of the top 10 traditions of all time, no question,” said Pitino, whose Cardinals (30-9) will meet Kentucky (36-2) at 5:09 p.m. Saturday in the Superdome. KU (31-6) and Ohio State (31-7) will follow approximately 7:49 p.m.

“Ohio State ... we know of their recent success, but you don’t realize going back how successful they were,” Pitino added. “These are four programs with tremendous interest in the game of basketball. Kansas, Louisville and Kentucky ... the fever pitch for basketball has always been off the charts. When kids grow up there, they understand it.

“Ohio State, when (Jerry) Lucas and those guys played, they were at their best and certainly have great tradition, and now Thad Matta in recent years has it back to where they are a top five, seven program every year. It is basketball royalty in terms of the interest involved. For us, a small state like Kentucky of 3 million people, to have two teams in the Final Four is quite special.”

The two semifinal games are rematches. Kentucky beat Louisville, 69-62, on New Year’s Eve in Lexington. KU beat Ohio State, which was without All-America forward Jared Sullinger, 78-67, on Dec. 10 in Allen Fieldhouse.

“Every game we play is someone’s Super Bowl,” said Kentucky coach John Calipari, who like KU’s Self is from the Larry Brown coaching tree. “You think of this whole Final Four. We ended Ohio State’s season last year. We opened up this season beating Kansas (75-65, Nov. 15 in New York). You don’t think they want a piece of us?

“We beat Louisville earlier in the year. They are going crazy to beat us, but let me say this, so was Vandy, so was Florida, so was North Carolina. Everybody we play was that way. It’s not like this is any different from any game we play. The other team is going to play out of their minds. We know it.”

Here’s a brief history of the four teams in the NCAA Tournament:

• Kentucky: 15 Final Fours, 7 national titles, second all-time to UCLA’s 11. Last national title was 1998. John Calipari has not won a national title. He’s been to the Final Four with three schools (UMass, Memphis, Kentucky). This is his fourth Final Four.

• Louisville: 9 Final Fours, 2 national titles. Last national title was 1986. Pitino has won one national title and been to the Final Four with three schools, Louisville, Kentucky and Providence. This is his fifth Final Four.

• Kansas: 14 Final Fours, 3 national titles (two Helms titles). Last title was 2008. Self has won one national title, and this is his second Final Four.

• Ohio State: 11 Final Fours, 1 national title (1960). Thad Matta has not won a national title. This is his second Final Four. He led Xavier to the 2004 Elite Eight.

Sullinger is back: There will be a lot of hype this week concerning the fact Sullinger did not play in the loss to KU because of back spasms.

“I think Thomas will be excited,” Self said of Thomas Robinson, who like Sullinger is a first-team All-American. “I know thinks a lot of Jared. Even when we played them the first time, I know our guys (wanted him to play). It was one of those — if it wasn’t game time it was a that-day decision — when they decided not to play Jared. Looking back now, what a smart decision. Why risk anything and you still are a team that goes to the Final Four. That was smart on their part. We know we caught a break that day. I know our guys. They’ve played in enough big games and I know they like playing against the best. Certainly we’ll get an opportunity to play against not only a great team but one of the premier players in the country.”

Haase lands UAB job: Former KU guard Jerod Haase has been named head coach at Alabama-Birmingham, UAB athletic director Brian Mackin announced Monday.

Haase, who turns 38 on April 1, played for Roy Williams at KU and has spent the last 13 years on Williams’ staff with KU and North Carolina. He helped the Tar Heels to national championships in 2005 and 2009. He has also served as the head coach for the junior varsity team five times in his nine-year UNC tenure.

A 1997 KU graduate in business administration, Haase served as KU director of basketball operations from 1999-2003. During that time, the Jayhawks reached the 2002 Final Four and the national championship game in 2003. Haase will be formally introduced at a press conference this morning.

Last weekend, he spoke with the Journal-World about his desire to be a head coach.

“When the opportunity is right,” he said. “That’s one of the biggest things. I don’t need to run out and get a head coaching job just because I might be able to get one. Getting in the right situation is paramount.

“Id love to be a head coach. I think it’s the next step in the process and I’m definitely thinking about being a head coach someday.”

Of his love for both KU and North Carolina he said: “The nice part is it doesn’t have to be percentages. I’m absolutely a Jayhawk no question and a Tar Heel as well.”

His duties at Carolina? “We don’t really split it up,” he said. “Coach Robinson (Steve) and I work more with the perimeter players. Whether it’s scouting or shooting, the coaching part is more whole method. We are all doing all of it.

“I’ve grown in weight. I’ve grown a lot,” he cracked, asked how much he’s grown as a coach the past 10 years or so. “I think experience does count. Experience does matter. Whether the recruiting experience, the game coaching experience, the JV team head coaching experience and day to day stuff in the office ... I feel I’ve learned continually now for 13 years.”

Popular KU staff: Barry Hinson’s name continues to be mentioned as a serious candidate for the head coaching post at Southern Illinois University. The Southern newspaper in Carbondale, Ill., in fact says Hinson is one of the Salukis’ top candidates to succeed Chris Lowery. Hinson, KU’s director of basketball operations, is fourth all-time in wins at Missouri State. Also, ESPN reports that Tulsa “reached out” to KU assistant Danny Manning about its opening. KU assistant Joe Dooley continues to be mentioned as a strong possibility at Mississippi State.


JayHawkFanToo 10 years, 8 months ago


"John Calipari has not won a national title. He’s been to the Final Four with three schools (UMass, Memphis, Kentucky). This is his fourth Final Four."

If you felt it was necessary to mention that Sullinger did not play against KU, i.e. the proverbial asterisk, shouldn't you also mention that 2 of Calipari's Final Four have been vacated by the NCAA and therefore are not part of his record?

According to the NCAA this is Calipari's second Final Four, isn't it?

Jack Rivers 10 years, 8 months ago

I think a lot of people are forgetting about how much better KU has gotten since that game. Look at Withey's stats for that game vs big 12 play. Same with Taylor, Young, and Johnson. But that's ok, let them forget.

Marcia Parsons 10 years, 8 months ago

I agree. In those days Withey wasn't sure where the basket was, much less how to get the ball through it. I suspect they will notice a big difference.

niemoth 10 years, 8 months ago

I agree, it's getting old. Didn't hear everyone talking that Syracuse got to play us in 03 without Simien, and so were fortunate to get title because of that. Should we have told OSU to just go home, since Sullinger couldn't play. Seems like it, as it was a no-win situation for us. A win isn't really being counted as a win in anyone's eyes.

Code_2008 10 years, 8 months ago

Unfortunately, only his WINS were vacated, his losses still show up, which means, it'll check in that he lost to Kansas in the National Championship Game.

Cole Hogan 10 years, 8 months ago

thats not true, i have an official NCAA stat book, from 2011. Once, when i was curious what it would say for the 2008 championship game after the NCAA vacated the memphis loss, i looked to find it. It said:

Kansas 75 Memphis* 68

Then down at the bottom of the page it said this:


Cole Hogan 10 years, 8 months ago

thats not true, i have an official NCAA stat book, from 2011. Once, when i was curious what it would say for the 2008 championship game after the NCAA vacated the memphis loss, i looked to find it. It said:

Kansas 75 Memphis* 68

Then down at the bottom of the page it said this:


Kent Kossoy 10 years, 8 months ago

In fact I recall it was said that if Memphis had won that game, they would have left the winning column blank because UCLA would have as much claim to the title as KU. I suspect that one day these KY wins will be vacated as well. Just saying.

Jeff Hargate 10 years, 8 months ago

You also don't notice any writer mention that Tyshawn had a gimpy knee and then surgury after the game.

baldwinjhawk 10 years, 8 months ago

True! Also TT was playing with a torn meniscus during that game..but we don't mention that.

jaybate 10 years, 8 months ago

Great post about the vacated titles.

And how about mentioning that we have to play them without BenMac and Jamari Traylor back then, and this Saturday, too.

We are going to beat them like a stick this Saturday.

And we are going to beat them without BenMac and Jamari Traylor.

Imagine how badly we would beat them with Ben Mac and Jamari!

Not even close which of the Final Four teams is having to play without the most players.



Dirk Medema 10 years, 8 months ago

At least Calipari is "honest" about it. He told the fans at his birthday "party" after a game this year (?40) that he was only 38, because the NAA had vacaded 2 years.

Curtis Stutz 10 years, 8 months ago

It wouldn't be right for Kansas writers to not mention Sullinger's injury. If some of the folks in the national media want to stop shoving it out there that'd be great. The thing with Calipari is whether they counted or not, he has all that experience from those trips. Lot of experience from these coaches and programs. I'm too hung up on the lines about Self to care, won a national title and this is his second final four. You know this! Before the UNC game I thought let's just get this one, if we can just get this one it's all I could ask for. Fortunately the players don't feel that way, they want more, and they're gonna do everything they can to win more games, which is awesome. What a great season, it can only get better. Nothing could happen from here on out to ruin any of it, but it just might keep getting better and better.

jgkojak 10 years, 8 months ago

Well, there is certainly a connection between KS and Tulsa if Danny were to take that one... and how many big men would Tulsa recruit and be a serious contender?

addlime 10 years, 8 months ago

Scares the hell out of me. D-Man is irreplaceable on that bench. Look at the progress the twins, TRob, and now Withey have all made. Absolutely amazing!

Bangkok_Jayhawk 10 years, 8 months ago

MR. Robinson against MR. Sullinger... HIDE THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN!!!

Eliott Reeder 10 years, 8 months ago

And hide yo husbands, cuz they r*pin' err-body out here...

nuleafjhawk 10 years, 8 months ago

“Every game we play is someone’s Super Bowl,” said Kentucky coach John Calipari, who like KU’s Self is from the Larry Brown coaching tree. “You think of this whole Final Four. We ended Ohio State’s season last year. We opened up this season beating Kansas (75-65, Nov. 15 in New York). You don’t think they want a piece of us?

Don't be too proud of yourself Calimari - NOBODY is Kansas' Super Bowl. (Super Bowl IS still football, right?)

Yeah, we want a piece of you, but just because that means we win our next NC. You're nobody special to us - just another " W " for us on our path down Immortality Road.

Ben Kane 10 years, 8 months ago

I got so mad when i heard that this morning.

Adam Collins 10 years, 8 months ago


I'm glad HCBS isn't so arrogant when talking on a conference call with the other coaches.

VaJay 10 years, 8 months ago


The man cannot hold his massive ego in check. I'm so glad to have our coach instead. If we could somehow win this little two game tournament it would be even more special than '08.

jaybate 10 years, 8 months ago

100, up in heaven, is telling St. Peter, "That guy, drgnslayr, I will vouch for him personally."

dylans 10 years, 8 months ago

Nobody ever gives Kansas their best.sarcasm font

Dirk Medema 10 years, 8 months ago

Well said. I'm looking forward to Pitino showing him how to coach, and putting him in his place.

Marc Frey 10 years, 8 months ago

Fine, keep mentioning Sullinger's gimpy back and how we "won" without playing against him. We will remove the * from that win Saturday night. Rock Chalk!

FoCoCoHawk 10 years, 8 months ago

I'm a little perplexed there's nothing anywhere on here about Frank Martin leaving the 'Cats for the Gamecocks.

Kye Clark 10 years, 8 months ago

There's a whole separate article that was posted on the site yesterday.

FoCoCoHawk 10 years, 8 months ago

I need to sue my optometrist and/or my ISP.

jaybate 10 years, 8 months ago

What happened to Frankie?

KSU decide he was not right for them, or vice versa?

What's up there?

South Carolina does not seem the greatest fit for him either.

Maybe Frank wants to be close to home?

I assumed that when Dalonte left to recruit for Turg at Maryland, Frank was not long for Manhattan.

I heard a report, but missed a story.

What up?

april28 10 years, 8 months ago

If Hinson and Danny leave, it will create a problem for us. Don't underestimate the impact of losing top assistants.

stinkybulldog 10 years, 8 months ago

Yep. Time for ShayZ to hand out some cash money to our assistants. It makes me nervous that they are all being considered for head coaching jobs.

142466 10 years, 8 months ago

Based solely on what I read in the newspapers, Danny attracts top big men recruits. So his departure could be a slight problem for us, for a year or two. For the last few years I've been pondering that. But the abilities of Self and the glorious history of the program itself should guarantee that we would quickly recover.

I assume Danny is already financially independent, several times over. That factor should work in our favor.

Two factors that could induce him to leave for a head coaching job: 1. There's not much difference in age between Self and Danny. By the time Self leaves, Danny himself may be too old to fit into the KU head job. 2. Nowadays a program the stature of KU rarely promotes a BB assistant coach to the head job. (Admittedly Harp and Owens were so promoted, but that was long ago.) KU should be able to attract a proven coaching talent with prior successful head coaching experience.

I'm just speculating. Some of you guys may be aware of other significant factors in the equation. E.G., maybe Danny isn't interested in ever becoming the head coach at KU. Can't say that I'd blame him. Why chance tarnishing his already Mt. Rushmore status in KU history.

Why is Larry Brown one of the close on-lookers at the current KU festivities? Definitely hasn't hurt our performance in the tourney. I do recall that during the concluding days of Roy Williams' tenure at KU, while KU was preparing for the NCAA title game, there were all kinds of North Carolina operatives hanging around him. I will always suspect that that distraction played a role in our loss of the title game, a game that we definitely should have won.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 8 months ago

Larry has been hanging around KU because he is a junkie and realized long time ago that he gave up the best high there is. He just wants to be a part of it all. Helps to ease the pain of being stupid 20+ years ago.

dylans 10 years, 8 months ago

Why would Danny leave? He is the next head coach of Kansas. If he does leave its just to get a little experience, he'll be back. I doubt he would leave in the first place though. Danny doesn't need the money or the risk of not living up to expectations in another location. Danny is a living legend in Lawrence.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 8 months ago

He wants to be a HC, and i only slightly (4) younger than Self.

That said, I still think he stays for a while.

JayHawkFanToo 10 years, 8 months ago

If HC Self decides to stay at KU until he retires, It is unlikely that Danny would be head coach. Danny is only 3-1/2 year younger than HC Self and he would be ready to retire himself. It would be unlikely that KU would hire a coach that would last just a few years. Other than Larry Brown, most KU coaches in recent memory have stayed a long time. HC Self is only the eighth coach in KLU history. Of course. if HC Self decides to move elsewhere (unlikely) all bets are off.

JayHawkFanToo 10 years, 8 months ago

Dang should be KU rather than KLU.

dylans 10 years, 8 months ago

Well the NBA may beckon. Also I'm afraid that Bill may be a victim of his success. What I mean is how do you measure up to this level of success? John Wooden retired right I'm afraid Bill may do the same-leave on top.

justinryman 10 years, 8 months ago

Congrats to Mr. Haase!!

One of my favorite Jayhawks.

Glad to see him get his own gig and out of the shadows.

Here's to wishing him all the luck to succeed.

Let the KU brand continue to grow across the nation.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk

142466 10 years, 8 months ago

I recall that Haase was one of the North Carolina promoters hanging around Roy Williams in the days leading up to Roy's final game at KU, a failed national title game. A game we should have won.

Andy Rieger 10 years, 8 months ago


thmdmph 10 years, 8 months ago

My predictions - KU wins against OSU. Loses vs Kentucky on a last possession 3. Then later, Calamari has to vacate the entire season and KU declared Champs. Kentucky nation goes berserk and copes by marrying their relatives who they relies on for moral support.

Code_2008 10 years, 8 months ago

If a team gets Vacated for winning the National Championship, then the runner-ups are not crowned. There will simply be no winner that year.

thmdmph 10 years, 8 months ago

Good to know. More motivation for the D to step up and deny their final possession three point attempt and wins on a thriller. THEN, Calamari is informed he has to vacate the seasons wins. Inbreeding continues at an alarming rate with all future players with congenital unibrows.

142466 10 years, 8 months ago

In March, 1971, KU finished 4th in the final four. In those days the losers of the national semi-final games played each other in a consolation game. UCLA won the championship game. I seem to recall that several months later the NCAA vacated all wins of two of the other final four participants (Villanova? & Western Kentucky?) for recruiting misconduct & professional agent violations. So I think the NCAA record books indicate that KU finished 2d in that final four. That Ted Owens team was truly a powerhouse, comparable to KU's 1985-86 team.

In retrospect, our 1970-71 team should have been promoted to national champions. UCLA's alleged misconduct was likely far worse than that of the two penalized programs. I'm partly jesting, and partly being serious. Hope my UCLA friends don't read this.

142466 10 years, 8 months ago

I had a few spare moments so I googled the 1971 Final Four. I mostly have it right about Villanova & W. Kentuck. But wickpedia doesn't say whether or not KU was officially elevated to 2d place.

I did discover another bit of trivia. Villanova beat Penn in the east regional finals game that year. That was Penn's only loss the entire season. But because all Villanova wins were later vacated, Penn officially went undefeated, the only NCAA Div 1 team to ever do so without winning the national championship game.

Penn and Princeton were both strong BB schools back in those days. Why? Because back in those days there were only 24 teams in the NCAA post-season tourney field. Sixteen of the 24 got 1st round byes. The byes were automatically awarded to the league champions of 16 different leagues. The other 8 spots in the NCAA tourney were automatically awarded to the top independent programs, all this being geographically based. One of the sixteen bye spots was reserved for the Ivy League champ. Since, except for Penn & Princeton, Ivy League BB stunk; Penn or Princeton entered the NCAA tournament east regional nearly every year, entering at the sweet-sixteen round. So that, coupled with Ivy academics, enabled Penn & Princeton to attract quite a few great BB players.

Princeton's Bill Bradley dropped 44? points on Wichita in the NCAA national consolation game, sometime in the late 1960's. I think Bradley's single game final four scoring record still stands.

Back in those days, during about a 10 year stretch of time, Wichita was a strong BB team and was a member of a very strong MoValleyConference (a league that included Cinci & Loui, among others). Any impartial observer had to admit that in those days MoValley BB, overall, was stronger than Big8 BB.

Regarding the 24 team NCAA post-season BB tourney field being geographically based, that conjures up trivia concerning the late Al McGuire, Marquette, and the NIT. All that could then lead us to Coach Frank McGuire, North Carolina BB, Wilt, & the Philadelphia Warriors, as well as to South Carolina BB, Frank McGuire, and the bizarre ACC BB rules and regulations of that era.

thmdmph 10 years, 8 months ago

Oops, Google just informed me Kentucky folks are already inbreeding this past century.

LSHawk 10 years, 8 months ago

Yep, why do you think Missery wanted to go to the SEC so bad......

Robert Murphy 10 years, 8 months ago

Don't forget their inbred Senator Mitch McConnell, and the other moron Rand Paul.

142466 10 years, 8 months ago

+1. A growing number of people have apparently elevated the science fiction of Atlas Shrugged, together with the Hebrew Old Testament, to the altar of unregulated capitalism. On second thought, Atlas Shrugged is not even worthy of being called science fiction. It's simply nonsense. If you get a chance, read Whittaker Chamber's review of Atlas Shrugged from the 1950s' annals of "National Review" magazine.

Or is it rather that the masses are entirely ignorant of the derivation of Rand Paul's name?

Which scenario is more troubling? My comments may be stricken from this board.

yates33333 10 years, 8 months ago

Dear John. I don't think Baylor brought their number one game. Drew thinks your team is the best he has played against this year. Drew's team was pretty close to the worse you played counting only this game. Talk about under-achievers. That's Baylor.

I don't think you can beat Louisville on a neutral court. We shall see.

NebraskanJayhawk152 10 years, 8 months ago

There are people all over twitter saying that KSTATE is going to reach out to Danny about coaching there..... WTF is that? Danny we love you here at Kansas and you are one of the greatest players in our history and you are doing an amazing job with our players. STAYYYY!!!!!!!!!

Marcia Parsons 10 years, 8 months ago

Coaches don't usually change schools within the same conference. Don't know if it's considered bad form or what, but I can't remember ever seeing it happen. Billy Clyde has been at two Big12 schools, but had Kentucky in between.

Ron Prichard 10 years, 8 months ago

Did Saban coach anywhere between Alabama and LSU? Was he at Miami (NFL) between the two?

RJ King 10 years, 8 months ago

Mike Montgomery went from Stanford to Cal, but had the Warriors in between. But then it's Pac 12 basketball, so it's not like anyone cares.

Tyson Travis 10 years, 8 months ago

One more statistic should have been mentioned...the two programs with the most victories overall (UK and KU) are present, the next two down (UNC and Duke) are strangely missing. Would have been nice to see the updated stats on this, especially on the two red teams.

Don't go Danny! Few folks realize how valuable he is to us.


dylans 10 years, 8 months ago

If you don't realize how valuable Danny has been to big man development at KU then you have no clue. Just read a few of Jaybates rants or realize that BigManU is an avatar. Come on people look at the kids in the league from The University of Kansas Self/Manning tenure: Morri, Cole, TRob (getting ahead of myself) Jackson (on and off), and Sasha (Russian pro ball) guards: Mario, Rush, Selby (kinda)

Ron Prichard 10 years, 8 months ago

I believe KU is currently 18 wins behind Kentucky and 3 ahead of UNC. Nobody even keeps track of how far back Duke is as #4. Something like 100 behind, and lagging farther and farther...

bbeckum 10 years, 8 months ago

Mateen Cleeves said on cbs that the point guard matchup would be fun to watch. TT's quickness against the osu kid's rep as a stopper. Of course TRob and Sully will be exciting to watch. However, I look for Travis, Jeff and EJ to make solid contributions and be the difference makers in the game. RCJH, Go Bill Self!

jaybate 10 years, 8 months ago

Mateen better read up.

Tyshawn is the stopper.

Tyshawn is the specialist at strangling off the oxygenate to point guards.

Tyshawn is going to cut the head off Aaron Craft...again.

And the Lo-hio State body is going to die...again.


dylans 10 years, 8 months ago

His presence alone is quite valuable to The University of Kansas. Add in his big man coaching skills and he is worth whatever it takes to keep him.

142466 10 years, 8 months ago

I suspect that you'e correct, on all counts.

Hank Cross 10 years, 8 months ago

I can't see Manning leaving for Tulsa. He's not in the position of other asst. coaches who need to start climbing thru the ranks for fame and money. He's already has those. If the right opportunity in a BCS conference openned up, maybe.

10 years, 8 months ago

From now until Saturday night, we will likely hear ad nauseam how Sullinger didn’t play against us earlier this season. It will be interesting to see if the media will also point out the following:

  • Taylor played with an injured knee that game

  • Withey has developed considerably since then

  • each team had a bench player (Young for us, Ravenel who started that game for them) that stepped up and contributed significantly

In fairness, they shot almost 20% worse than us in the game, while taking 14 more shots than us. They had eight more offensive rebounds, with more opportunities for them since they didn’t shoot as well as we did.

Here are some stats for digestion and analysis:


Taylor Game: 35 min, 9 pts, 3 rebs, 13 asts, 7 tos Season: 33.2 min, 16.7 pts, 2.3 rebs, 4.7 asts, 3.5 tos

Johnson Game: 37 min, 15 pts, 2 rebs, 1 ast, 2 tos Season: 32.2 min, 10.0 pts, 3.1 rebs, 3.6 asts, 1.8 tos

Releford Game: 32 min, 10 pts, 5 rebs, 2 asts, 1 to Season: 30.8 min, 8.5 pts. 4.2 rebs, 1.8 asts, 1.0 tos

Robinson Game: 30 min, 21 pts, 7 rebs, 0 bl, 5 tos Season: 31.6 min, 17.7 pts, 11.8 rebs, 0.5 bls, 2.7 tos

Withey Game: 21 min, 2 pts, 7 rebs, 2 bls, 0 to Season: 24.4 min, 9.2 pts, 6.2 rebs, 3.5 bls, 1.2 tos

Young Game: 24 min, 14 pts, 4rebs, 0 bl, 1 to Season: 11.4 min, 3.6 pts, 2.9 rebs, 0.4 bls, 0.7 tos

Team Game: 78 pts, 58.3% FG%, 65.0% FT%, 31 rebs, 18 asts, 18 tos, 2 bls Season: 75.0 pts, 47.6 % FG%, 69.1% FT%, 37.6 rebs, 15.2 asts, 13.0 tos, 5.6 bls


Craft Game: 38 min, 11 pts, 5 rebs, 6 asts, 3 tos Season: 32.0 min, 8.8 pts, 3.3 rebs, 4.7 asts, 2.2 tos

Smith Game: 25 min, 3 pts, 4 rebs, 1 ast, 2 tos Season: 25.2 min, 6.7 pts, 4.6 rebs, 2.0 asts, 1.2 tos

Buford Game: 40 min, 21 pts, 5 rebs, 0 bl, 2 tos Season: 33.8 min, 14.4 pts, 4.9 rebs, 0.2 bls, 2.1 tos

Sullinger Game: DNP – injured Season: 30.1 min, 17.6 pts, 9.1 rebs, 1.0 bls, 1.9 tos

Thomas Game: 40 min, 19 pts, 5 rebs, 0 bl, 1 to Season: 31.6 min, 16.1 pts, 5.4 rebs, 0.2 bls, 1.2 tos

Ravenel Game (started): 25 min, 9 pts, 5 rebs, 0 bl, 4 tos Season: 10.1 min, 3.5 pts, 2.2 rebs, 0.2 bls, 0.7 tos

Team Game: 67 pts, 38.7% FG%, 77.8% FT%, 30 rebs, 12 asts, 15 tos, 0 bls Season: 73.3 pts, 48.2 % FG%, 70.6% FT%, 36.0 rebs, 14.5 asts, 11.5 tos, 3.0 bls

Marcia Parsons 10 years, 8 months ago

I agree with you about the differences in our team since that game. On the shooting though, I think you have to consider that tOSU wouldn't have taken (and missed) so many outside shots if Sullinger had been playing that day. It appears the media doesn't know that Tyshawn had knee surgery the day after that game, but I did hear some comments (from those rather odd commentators on CBS-SN) about the big improvement in Withey since then.

10 years, 8 months ago

"I think you have to consider that tOSU wouldn't have taken (and missed) so many outside shots if Sullinger had been playing that day."

Good point, oldalum. They were 5-17 from 3pt range, while we went 9-17. We were dialed-in from distance.

justinryman 10 years, 8 months ago

I do believe Craft fouled out in that game too.

He is such a good defender and still fouled out guarding an injured TT.

10 years, 8 months ago

Good call on Craft, Justin. He probably would have played the other two minutes of the game like Buford and Thomas had he not fouled out. Ravenel also fouled out.

RJ King 10 years, 8 months ago

He fouled out of the Syracuse game too, I think. Maybe our guards can draw all day.

jaybate 10 years, 8 months ago

Tyshawn will behead Craft...again.

And the Lo-hio State body will die...again.

10 years, 8 months ago

“tOSU is dead.”

Thus spake Zarathjaybate :-)

Kye Clark 10 years, 8 months ago

Doesn't Danny still have one of his kids in high school in Lawrence? That might be additional motivation for him to stay.

Selfishly, I really hate the prospect of our coaching staff being gutted. I wonder who are some possible replacements. There was some talk of Larry Brown. I could maybe see him taking over Hinson's job. I don't see him as an assistant and going out on recruiting trips. Would Norm Roberts leave Billy Donovan's staff and come back? Good chance of that with Niko on the roster. Not sure who else is out there and would be considered for these positions.

REHawk 10 years, 8 months ago

Kevin Young's Tournament play has given us a real boost. He, Releford and Withey are going to have to hang tough on Thomas and Buford.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 8 months ago

Except for the 10 sec stretch where he: 1. blew the jam and fell into the photogs 2. didn't get back on D which directly led to his man hitting a 3 3. trucked the NCSU player while setting a "pick".

Love his improved play, but that was about theworst sequence known to man.

FLJHK 10 years, 8 months ago

Royalty, indeed. But in reality, this Final Four sets up perfectly for KU.

To the extent possible in a Final Four, KU is flying under the radar. The entire focus of the national media is on the Saturday UK-Louisville game. And to some extent that makes sense. Two big name coaches, a crossed background, and two schools that genuinely hate each other. It’s KU-MU times 10 except that both teams actually have legitimate basketball pedigrees. They are calling this the most important sporting event in the history of the State of Kentucky. Both teams will expend vast amounts of physical and emotional energy. If it can just be a close game, as I expect it to be, the winner will be gassed afterwards. Assuming Kentucky wins, the national media will already consider them de facto national champs; the game Monday night a mere formality.

Our match-up with OSU is certainly one I like. We know what they can do and how they like to do it from our previous game. Yes, that was without Sullinger and he is truly an elite player. But he’s a poor match-up against the strength and athleticism of TRob. And our team has gotten considerable better and much tougher mentally than it was last December. I think KU wins this one in a fairly ugly, beat-‘em-up Big Ten style of game. Not pretty, hot high scoring. But at the end, Kansas somehow has a few more points than the other team.

We go to Monday night and the national media just assumes a Kentucky win. The only real questions are by how much, and where will we place this particular UK team among the all-time great college teams? The charmed yellow brick road of this band of rag-tag Jayhawks comes to its inevitable dead end.

Meanwhile, there actually remains a game to play. UK comes out hot, no sign of nerves, puts on a couple of impressive runs, but only leads by a few at halftime. KU matches their style and speed more than expected.

Second half UK tries to put it away quickly, but Kansas just keeps hanging around. And with about 5 minutes to go, the game is basically tied. Suddenly, UK realizes this Kansas team is for real. They feel a bit gassed from their struggle on Saturday. Confidence wanes. They realize they are freshmen, and they get a bit overwhelmed by the situation. They have virtually no experience in being this close, this late in a game. They tighten. Kansas is familiar with the situation. Been here, done that (e.g. thanks Mizzou). They tighten the screws defensively, hit a couple of shots, get some transition hoops, and it’s all over except the celebrating.

Afterwards, the media gives the Jayhawks some token credit, but excuses this great Kentucky team for simply running out of gas after their epic win over Louisville on Saturday, and their youth. They all but want to put an asterisk by this KU win. But Bill and the boys don’t care. All we care about is the record book, and that will read: “The University of Kansas Jayhawks, National Champions, 2012.”

Rock freaking Chalk.

Kye Clark 10 years, 8 months ago

Great post! Would love it if it plays out this way. I agree with your analysis of the set-up being ideal for KU.

JayCeph 10 years, 8 months ago

Oh, wouldn't this be the sweetest!?! Damn, I hope it shakes out this way. Love the narrative. I can't wait to see the movie in my local cineplex. :)

142466 10 years, 8 months ago

Nice. I'd like to see it happen.

Mail your post to the LJW. Maybe they'll be able to use it and acknowledge your contribution.

Yakihawk 10 years, 8 months ago

I had to go out and buy a new laptop this morning because I puked all over mine when I read that quote from Calipari. What an arrogant POS.

jayhawkinnc 10 years, 8 months ago


Need to correct what you wrote below:

Louisville: 9 Final Fours, 2 national titles. Last national title was 1986. Pitino has won one national title and been to the Final Four with three schools, Louisville, Kentucky and Providence. This is his fifth Final Four.

It's Pitino's 6th Final Four: Providence in '87, Kentucky in '93, '96 and '97, Louisville in '05 and '12.

Randy Bombardier 10 years, 8 months ago

Ignore the coaching change rumors. A lot of the speculation is being fueled by people whose only concern is to cause a distraction. Our focus needs to be on Ohio State, not Kentucky. What Coach Cal says right now is also a distraction. Right now we have are getting good play from more players than TR and TT and that is making all the difference. EJ and JW have made huge contributions. If the supporting cast all contribute this will be a huge factor in determining who will win this thing. A few dominant players make a difference, but a great team can't be beat when they are all clicking.

LSHawk 10 years, 8 months ago

I dont care one wit about anything a sports commentator says, because its nothing more than an opinion and from what I have heard this past year not even an educated one at that.The media has to fill air time for a whole week and most of them are lazy boobs, so let them drone on about how Sullinger didnt play against us. Our team played one of its best games this year against NC and it looks like we are getting it together just at the right time. If I were OSU and UK, I wouldnt want to be playing us!!!!

NebraskanJayhawk152 10 years, 8 months ago

I love how everyone is already counting us out against OSU and against Kentucky if we get there. They did it to us with the UNC game and look how the boys responded. They played loose and played like a team and won. All this talk of us being the underdogs will help us. We will be able to play loose and efficiently against a pretty good defensive team in OSU, but we will have the upper hand in grittiness and athleticism.

This is tourney is starting to sound a lot like the 88' National Title game for us. Manning and the boys were counted out against Oklahoma. Oklahoma looked like the clear cut champions, but our boys flew under the radar got their sht done and won.

Bill will have these boys ready to play on Saturday and they will come out loose and playing as a team. I like our chances, we are going to stay under the radar and keep shocking people.

ROCK CHALK FOR LIFE!!! lets go boys

Tony Bandle 10 years, 8 months ago

Buckeyes will be blind

Wildcats screech in frustration

The Jayhawks soar high!!

Ron Prichard 10 years, 8 months ago

I think eventually Danny leaves for a head coaching job somewhere, but I'm not sure it will be this year. I think he, like almost all great sports persona, has that special drive that pushes him to be the absolute best. I think it's that drive, and not money or fame, that eventually compels him to leave and try his hand at being a head coach.

As for the actual Final Four, I loved the way we played against UNC and I think our team will come out relaxed and ready to play. With everyone picking OSU and all the attention on Kentucky-Louisville, KU has absolutely no pressure to win. If we don't, well, for once it's expected. If we do, upset!

Here's the real question that I haven't heard answered yet: Will we wear white or blue? I believe we are the higher #2 seed, which would seem to indicate we would wear white. However, I heard that in the tourney, other than the top 4 teams (#1 seeds) when two of the same seed meet they flip a coin to see who will be home/away. Personally, I would like to wear blue. I think subconsiously we play freer and with a chip on our shoulder when we play as the visitor/underdog.

jaybate 10 years, 8 months ago

We are going to beat Lo-hio State.

The only question is will they take more out of us, or will Louisville take more out of Kentucky?

This shapes up as a replay of last week end, only at an even more physical level of play.

NCSU v. KU turned into a bang ball game. Ohio v UNC turned into a high possession game with an OT. The high possessions and OT took more out of UNC than the Bang Ball took out of KU. KU won down the stretch when fatigue made cowards of the UNC.

Click "find Final Four."

OSU vs. KU will likely turn into a bang ball game. Louisville v. UK will likely turn into a high possession game, probably with no OT. KU will probably beat OSU and be even more bruised up than after the regionals. UK probably will beat Slick'deVille, but the high possession game with Slick'deVille running a lot of pressure defense is going to sap UK, and UK's youngsters are already way outside their envelopes on what their bodies know. KU probably wins, when the UK players crack the second half.

Tony Bandle 10 years, 8 months ago

There are 349 head basketball coaches in Division One.

Only eight active coaches have won a National Championship and have appeared in least one other Final Four.

The names?: Steve Fisher [67],Roy Williams [61], Tom Izzo [59], Jim Calhoun [70], Mike Krzyzewski [65], Billy Donovan [46], Jim Boeheim [67] and, now, Bill Self [49].

You may see three or four of these guys drop off the list in the near future. Losing assistant coaches is part of the great coaching legacy of legendary coaches.

If [when] Kansas wins another national championship this year, it is conceivable that Hinson, Manning and Dooley may all leave. The key, however, was, is and always will be, Bill Self!!!

142466 10 years, 8 months ago

+1, especially your final sentence.

I do ponder whether or not Self will accept Duke's offer, when Coach K retires.

justinryman 10 years, 8 months ago

I think they will offer it to Brad Stevens of Butler.

Chris1955 10 years, 8 months ago

Why in the world would Self go to Duke?

jaybate 10 years, 8 months ago

Consonants will see to it that one of his former assistants gets the Duke job.

Not even a question about that.

Ron Prichard 10 years, 8 months ago

Not a chance in he11 Coach Self goes to Duke. Regardless of what the media wants you to think, that's not a step up. It's lateral at best, and in reality, a step down. Where we might lose Self is to the NBA if the Spurs ever come calling.

jaybate 10 years, 8 months ago

If they want to be head coaches, they all need to leave ASAP.

They all give the impression they want to be head coaches, because they all interview for head coaching job vacancies.

I cannot imagine Self would have a problem rebuilding his staff and pronto.

Frankly, if any two of them leave, the third will want to stay.

Probable replacements?

Norm Roberts at Florida--Doubtful only because he probably feels strong loyalty to Donovan for backing him against the weasels. Mike USF--Very logical add; W. Coast rcrting Kyle Keller at TAM--Texas recruiting, Kennedy sick Brett Ballard at Baker--KU quicker path to mid major HC Russell Robinson--the guy I would pick of all of them.

Big man coaches: Scott Pollard--if space man would shave Nick Collision--can't miss, if he wants to Darnell Jackson--intriguing possibility if he wants to

And I haven't even dipped into Self's Illinois players, or his Okie Baller Mafia contacts, or the Suttons, and so on.

One thing is certain, Self is due up for hiring a guy who can deliver players from the southeast, regardless, and he would need an easterner to replace Joe Dooley to keep recruiting the east coast well. Kyle Keller would keep us deep in Texas. Kurtis Townsend staying means the West Coast is covered.

jaybate 10 years, 8 months ago

"Frankie Departed, the ACC Surging Again, and that Old Demon Realignment"

One thing that keeps nagging at me in all this coaching speculation is why did Dalonte go to Turg at Maryland last season and why did Frankie jump to South Carolina this season. These two fellahs are playuhs without institutional loyalties. Its not that I am surprised by them leaving KSU, but rather why are they so juiced about the ACC?

Add that the ACC just added Syrexcuse and Arm Pitt and there is a significantly increasing basketball gravitation in the old ACC.

But the interesting thing is that if we are to believe Big 12 leadership, CBernie, Sheahon, and Self, the Big 12 has been stabilized and stands poised for further expansion.

Maybe Frankie and Dalonte decided they just could not recruit to KSU; that Self was never going to go away; that KU was going to stay on a tear.

But despite the fact that the Big Ten and the SEC are the multi-sport, BCS grade super conferences, the ACC oddly drifts ever deeper into more and more of an east coast only basketball conference with some mid major grade football. The ACC which has seemed to lose some of its hold on basketball dominance once again seems the hot conference for basketball teams to join, unless you're West Virginia.

WVU is a strange outlier in all of this. Why is it coming to Big 12? Why didn't it join the ACC, too?

The other possible strange outlier is Slick'deVille. Are they still coming to the Big 12?

Currently, it feels as if some wind is out of the sails of Big 12 expansion.

The Texas-Oklahoma-Kansas alliance has stood fast, stabilized the Big 12, but now the questions are:

a) can it stay relevant as stabilized; and

b) does it still have any chance to create a viable eastern time zone foot print to market its sports content competitively with the Big Ten, SEC, and ACC?

This is of huge importance to KU basketball.

Looking at our W&L statement, with three straight 30 win seasons, likely our second national championship in five seasons, the value and marketability of our basketball program has to be at an all time high. But are we now in no position to capitalize on it, because we have tied ourselves to a conference that cannot expand eastward, after seeming so recently to be on the cusp of being able to do so?

Maybe its all unrelated coincidences.

FLJHK 10 years, 8 months ago

Jaybate: So Carolina is in the SEC, not the ACC.

Otherwise I have certainly contemplated and share many of your concerns. The Big 12 remains very unstable, and will continue to be so indefinitely. It concerns me that the momentum of Louisville to the Big 12 has seemingly slowed. Louisville would be a huge get, and would be a great hoops rival as well as a stabilizing influence. If the Big 12 were to get Louisville and BYU I would at least feel better about long-term stability, but it would take many years for me to truly believe the Big 12 is stable.

jaybate 10 years, 8 months ago

Oh, my gawd!

I forgot where my gamecock was?

Thanks for the assist.

FLJHK 10 years, 8 months ago

Re why W Va didn't go to the ACC or SEC, the two prevailing theories are that the ACC wouldn't take them because of academics, and the SEC didn't want them because of market size.

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