Sunday, February 26, 2012

Gut check’: KU faces fast, emotional turnaround

Kansas head coach Bill Self leaves the court following the Jayhawks' 85-77 loss to Oklahoma State, Saturday, Feb. 27, 2010 at Gallagher-Iba Arena in Stillwater.

Kansas head coach Bill Self leaves the court following the Jayhawks' 85-77 loss to Oklahoma State, Saturday, Feb. 27, 2010 at Gallagher-Iba Arena in Stillwater.


— Someday, Conner Teahan will tell his grandkids about the day he went 4-for-4 from three and helped Kansas University’s basketball team overcome a 19-point second-half deficit in an 87-86 overtime victory over Missouri in Allen Fieldhouse.

“Thse memories will always be in my head for sure,” Teahan said of mental snapshots of Thomas Robinson and Travis Releford ripping off their jersey tops and coach Bill Self raising his hands high over his head and screaming in concert with the fans following Saturday’s final horn.

“That was the craziest game I’ve been a part of. For a game I played in, it was the most awesome experience of my life,” added Teahan, a fifth-year senior out of Kansas City (Mo.) Rockhurst High.

In the wake of all that unbridled emotion comes the stark realization that today — just two days after the taming of the Tigers — the Jayhawks (24-5 overall, 14-2 Big 12) again must take the court in an 8 p.m. ESPN Big Monday contest against Oklahoma State (14-15, 7-9) in Gallagher-Iba Arena.

“I will do what I need to do to get back to where I need to be Monday,” said Teahan, who played a career-high 37 minutes versus Mizzou. “I’ve never seen a win in Stillwater. Nobody else on our team has seen a win there. That’s motivation in itself.”

The Jayhawks, who are 1-3 in Stillwater and 7-4 overall against OSU in the Bill Self era, last won at Self’s alma mater on Feb. 13, 2006. The Cowboys have remained tough at home this season, evidenced by a 6-2 record that includes a 79-72 victory over Mizzou.

“It’s a quick turnaround. It will be a gut check as much as any, because, hey, if we could pick a game to not play on Big Monday, it’d be that game,” said Self, his Jayhawks coming off such an emotionally and physically draining victory.

Extra incentive tonight is the fact KU can wrap up an undisputed league title. KU assured a tie for its eighth-straight crown Saturday.

“Winning the Big 12 title is obviously important to us,” said Teahan. “It’s a streak we take a lot of pride in ... winning eight in a row.”

Self said there was a time he was not sure this team could win a league title.

“When we started 1-2 in the league (before rallying to win it in 2005-06), you’d say, ‘(Mario) Chalmers, (Brandon) Rush, (Julian) Wright and those other cats are pretty good. It’s just a matter of time before the light comes on,’” Self said. “Hey, I didn’t know if the light would come on. I didn’t even know if it’d be a flicker. Early in the season we were not a good team. We ended up winning some games. South Florida was a pretty good win (70-42, Dec. 3). The Davidson game (80-74 loss on Dec. 19) was good for us. We were awful there (in Sprint Center). One thing with our players, our roster changes, but expectations don’t. They committed to it. They’ve amazed me.”

Withey’s ankle OK: Self said Sunday that junior center Jeff Withey is “probable” for tonight’s game. Withey twisted his left ankle in Saturday’s game. ... The Jayhawks drove a charter bus to OSU late Sunday afternoon after a short 15-minute practice.

About OSU: Senior guard Keiton Page will be making his final home appearance tonight. He averages a team-leading 16.2 ppg, including an 18.0 mark in Big 12 play. He has hit a team-leading 82 threes. Freshman guard/forward Le’Bryan Nash, who did not play in Saturday’s 60-42 home win over Texas A&M; because of a fractured left hand, averages 13.3 ppg. Nash may be finished for the season.

“The word is he fractured it and it’s a good clean fracture, and he doesn’t need surgery or any of that. We really didn’t have time to experiment with any contraption of any sort if he did want to play,” coach Travis Ford told the Oklahoman on Saturday. “He wants to play, but I’ll decide on Monday what’s best for him, and we’ll see.”

KU beat OSU, 81-66, on Feb. 11, in Allen Fieldhouse. Markel Brown had 21 points, Page 19, and Nash and Brian Williams 11 apiece. Thomas Robinson had 24 and Withey 18 for KU, which was outscored, 42-30, the second half.

Recruiting: No. 33-ranked Tony Parker, a 6-9 senior center from Miller Grove High in Lithonia, Ga., who attended Saturday’s game, will choose between KU, Duke, Ohio State, Memphis and UCLA. “It was a great game and it was a great atmosphere,” Tony’s dad, Virgil, told Tony wrote on Twitter: “I sat next to Larry Brown today at the game. (It was) the best atmosphere in my life.” ... No. 1-rated Shabazz Muhammad, 6-6 from Bishop Gorman High in Las Vegas, wrote on Twitter: “Had a lot of fun in Lawrence this weekend; great visit. #rockchalk!!!!” He’s considering KU, Kentucky, Duke, UCLA, UNLV and others. ... JaKarr Sampson, 6-8 senior forward from Brewster Academy in New Hampshire, told, “It was fun and it was crazy. I’ve never been to a place like that and I’ve never seen an atmosphere like that before. I got goose bumps on my back. It was just a fun game.” Sampson, who signed with St. John’s last year before failing to qualify, said he is “going to take more visits (perhaps to Florida and Providence).”


theboehr 10 years, 5 months ago

the headline of this article = my thoughts exactly

Scott MacWilliams 10 years, 5 months ago

Goose bumps, indeed!!

I hope all those recruits could just see themselves out there on the hallowed floor of AFH, 16,300 of their closest friends just saying howdy doo and Rock Chalk!! Hard to imagine not being deeply impressed with a game atmosphere like that, a frikkin' 120 decibels, Larry Brown and a flock of former Jayhawks who are on break from their day jobs with the NBA...

Absolutely fabulous game, guys, so I hope that you're able to get enough sleep and recoup enough energy to ride those Cowpokes tonight. Too bad about Nash and his broken paw, I was looking forward to seeing him struggle against KU again.

R O C K C H A L K, J A Y H A W K S ! ! !

Alex Berger 10 years, 5 months ago

I'm confused about the recruitment situation right now. We have 13 players on scholarship (with Teahan, Wesley, and Juenemannn and including Traylor and McLemore) and we should be having 5 spots open up with 4 guys leaving and Wesley going back to walk-on status. Don't we have 5 guys committed now? Why are we still recruiting? Is Adams not getting his spot? Is Merv not on scholarship? Will Self recommend some players go to a different school? The numbers just aren't adding up for me

Alex Berger 10 years, 5 months ago

Apparently that conversation happened below this thread...

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 5 months ago

Adams hasn't qualified yet. HCBS has been recruiting Sabazz and Parker, two 5-star players since both were Freshmen in High School. I am not sure that anyone thinks that Sabazz has Kansas as his top school before he goes One-&-Done to the NBA. However, Parker is a high-character kid. If he would come to Kansas then HCBS would have a decision - Adams? Merv? May never get to that point, uOFk, UCLA and Dook all are chasing Parker. It would be a tough decision to make but it would mean Kansas is in a better place recruiting-wise.

Brendan Connolly 10 years, 5 months ago

Glad to hear the recruits had such a good time. Would be great to get some late additons like these guys...think we might be hurting on size next year.

Brendan Connolly 10 years, 5 months ago

Several of the draft projections have Withey going first round. I hope he stays, but looking more and more like he could be first round money.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 5 months ago

Withey has had great games, and obviously has plenty of "potential" (height), but my guess is that he realizes how spotty his play has been, and will want to finish things off right. The only thing that might change that is if he went on a rampage for the next 11 games/W's.

Ted Hume 10 years, 5 months ago

So we already have over-signed by 1 (five players coming in next year) and figure Lindsay is the obvious choice for coach to "ask" to transfer, since we already will need an extra scholarship. Question: Who else goes to make room for Parker or Shabazzzzzzzzz if one of them signs? Wesley can be asked to give up his and play again as a walk-on, but who else?

Any ideas?

stinkybulldog 10 years, 5 months ago

Christian Garrett & Merv are my choices to transfer.

Joe Baker 10 years, 5 months ago

Garrett is a walk-on unless he absolutely wants to play somewhere or can record some mins or stay to be a part of a possible title team. He would only transfer if a scholly is offered. I don't think leaving just to be a walk-on somewhere else makes sense.

Merv transferring is a big possibility. The kid's development is a little further behind than most of the talent we have. He may want to go somewhere that could use his talent immediately while he gets some OCT (on court training).

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 5 months ago

Right now, everybody stays and Wesley moves back to walk-on status. To be honest, I don't see either Shabazz or Parker playing at AFH next year. Both are a One-And-Done's. I much rather have 3- and 4-year players who grow under the program than leave after the mandatory one-year before they can enter into the NBA.

Alex Berger 10 years, 5 months ago

Why would coach bring them for a visit though if he didn't intend on trying to get one?

trustyourSelf 10 years, 5 months ago

Didn't we have a scholarship that we ended up not using on braeden anderson?

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 5 months ago

That went to Conner. You can have 13 scholarships:

  1. Withey
  2. EJ
  3. Travis
  4. Young
  5. Naadir
  6. Merv
  7. Ben Mac 8 Traylor
  8. Ellis
  9. Peters
  10. Lucus
  11. White
  12. Rio

Walk-ons: Wesley, Nino, Garrett

niemoth 10 years, 5 months ago

I'm guessing self has been up front with some others that they will have to move to walk-on if any more recruits landed. Anrio Adams hasn't signed yet, and wondering if that is the reason. Could also see Self having told that to Merv, or Lucas as well.

JD Roth 10 years, 5 months ago

"Hurting on size next year?' You been drinking?? C'mon, next year may be one of the tallest teams in years.

Hank Cross 10 years, 5 months ago

Two places that seem to always give KU fits - Hilton Coliseum and Gallagher-Iba. All the makings of a classic trap game.

Ted Toulouse 10 years, 5 months ago

Truth-be-told, I was more worried about the OSU game going into this weekend than MU, just because I knew we would be into the MU game emotionally and leave everything on the floor. With a share of the title in hand and the fact that we haven't played well there in a while, all signs point to a let down. I hope I'm wrong...

JD Roth 10 years, 5 months ago

With Nash limited I see KU pulling away after halftime.

trustyourSelf 10 years, 5 months ago

I just hope we get one of the three recruits mentioned. Actually, I would be shocked if we didn't get any based on the game they were at. Tony Parker would be my top pick. Even though shabazz is ranked higher and regarded as unbelievable, my guess is that shabazz would be gone after a year, but Parker would stay for 2 or 3. I wouldn't complain if we got Sampson, either.

gardenjay 10 years, 5 months ago

Shabazz is a cool name.

Any game after Saturday's mind-blower would be extremely interesting. Call it a gut check, more like determine focus ability going into March. I'm thinking they will win somehow, particularly after the first half against missouri.

I think MO coach should just get over the end of the rivalry, since MO admins left all geographic sense behind to chase money. Yuck. Now we have to send our non-rev athletes to the east coast, either driving through or flying over MO, like that makes sense for enlightened institutions in a carbon flux world. Bleah.

monkeehawkSL8 10 years, 5 months ago


ironhead80 10 years, 5 months ago

I see some good things coming from this kid Naadir. Coach Self was hard on Russell Robinson as a freshman I think he wanted to leave KU after the first season because he was homesick and look how that turned out. I predict Naadir will be as good as Tyshawn in his senior year.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 5 months ago

It's the type of plays he had been making. They just were not smart, run the O plays. Coach won't tolerate that.

John Strayer 10 years, 5 months ago

He's a freshman...end of story. Coach Self isn't going to experiment with a freshman at this time of year with so much at stake. He'll be fine as long as he keeps working. His turn at being a star will come only with hard work on the defensive end.

W Keith Swinehart II 10 years, 5 months ago

His last playing moment, Nadir threw a terrible lob pass to Wesley at precisely the wrong time. Bad combination of execution and judgement. Bill using a good learning moment to yank a promising player. Nadir better work on his judgement or he will not be getting opportunities to be yanked in the future.

lv_jhwk 10 years, 5 months ago

"Naadir-in-the-headlights" says as much as needs to be said.

He'll be fine down the road.

lv_jhwk 10 years, 5 months ago pun intended on the last line.

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 5 months ago

I watched YouTube videos of Naadir this weekend. He is a baller. He is a skinnier S. Collins. We will be fine at Point next year. And, if you haven't seen Frankamp play, you should go to YouTube. He is the real deal too. Kansas will be good at the #1, #2 and #3 with Naadir, Conner, BenMac, White and Rio.

JD Roth 10 years, 5 months ago

Turnovers and then getting burnt on defense all in about a 30 second time span. Mark my words though, he's going to be good and will develop.

KJD 10 years, 5 months ago

Teahan (Rockhurst High) and Releford (Bishop Miege) logged serious minutes and were on the floor late in the game, a lot. Teahan gets 37 minutes and Releford goes for 34 minutes. Thinking of those guys as granddads, guys who grew up in the Kansas City area who knew all about this rivalry as kids, get to share these stories. It's so great to hear these Teahan quotes. I haven't seen any quotes from Releford. So happy for Conner that he busted out of his slump for this game and Travis has been a stud on D for us all year.

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

• Till now the team has played for Self and to keep the title string alive. Now, it has earned Self's respect and a share of the title to keep the string alive. Now it must take the next great step in team. Now it must begin to play to win for itself. Now it must decide if it wants to be great, if it wants to be the best. There is no guaranty it can be, just as there was none that could win a title. Now it must look at itself and say, "We have done our duty. Now, do we want to be a great team? Do we have the desire and courage to get better. To take our game to the next level. To show the world that greatness is only in the grasp of those with all the advantages are wrong. Now they have to say are they willing to take on the ultimate challenge of team sport--the challenge of beating teams with more talent, but not as much team. Are they ready to find ways to beat teams of players even they know have more talent than KU has? Must the 5 stars--the haves--the riches--always win? Is it only the rich and famous that can be great, or is their greatness in us all, if we are willing to fight for it...and believe. Can the unheralded, the disrespected, the people, be great, too, or is greatness a dream allowed only to the haves? The answer is clear. Once in awhile the people win. Once in awhile seemingly ordinary men band together and do extraordinary things. They dare to break through the illusions and lies and hype about greatness and say, "We believe in ourselves. We have discovered the greatest secret of all about greatness. Greatness grows out of teamwork. It is achieved, not bought. It is within all our grasps, not just in the hands of those that are said to be better than us." Unheralded young men can band together and climb the highest mountains. All those that say greatness belongs only to those with the most riches, the most advantages, the most talent are wrong. Greatness belongs to those that choose greatness; that decide it is as much their right as any other man's. That greatness is journey and a quest, not a birth right. That nothing is written until a team writes it. The next two games will reveal whether this team of young men intend to pursue greatness, or stop at having done their duty. After the Missouri game they know that nothing is impossible, when they play as a team. But knowing that, though important, is not the same as choosing to become great. Only a few unheralded, undermanned teams have achieved greatness against long odds in the modern era since 1960. The 64 UCLA team. The 66 Texas Western team. Jim Valvano's NC State team. The 88 KU team. And a few others.

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

They are few, but they happen. And people too often mistakenly refer to them as teams that got hot for a short stretch at the right time. Getting hot for a short stretch is not the common thread among these great unheralded, undermanned teams. The common thread is that they each discovered the supreme advantage of superior teamwork and displayed it during the tournament. Some had it all season, some for much of a season and some just for the tournament. But all had it during the tournament. I am convinced that the holy grail of basketball is filled not with the wine of great talent, but the blood great teamwork. The best team always wins. Mostly team's levels of teamwork are quite similar and so talent often appears to tip the balance. But there are these extraordinary examples of great unheralded teams of superior teamwork. We are about to know if this KU team will join them.

JD Roth 10 years, 5 months ago

Teamwork, disciplined offense and tenacious defense leads to a good end result.

Ben Kane 10 years, 5 months ago

i'm still in shock and awe from that game, i'm not emotionally ready for another tonight.

Marcia Parsons 10 years, 5 months ago

Emotionally exhausted, I think, is the way you would describe me. I'm worried that the team may feel the same way. That's awfully short turnaround time. How can they get themselves hyped up?

REHawk 10 years, 5 months ago

The Jayhawk Nation of fans and boardrats has breathed many a deep appreciative sigh of relief after the victory over our league defecting neighbors to the east. Definitely will be interesting, the manner in which this team progresses after such an adrenalin draining climb to one of this season's challenging summits. Bill Self and Co. certainly face a formidable task this evening. Gotta hope they can regain stamina and focus to return quickly to the determined winning play that we just witnessed in Saturday's second half of play at AFH. Tonight's game bound to be another grinder. Rock Chalk!

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

They are off The Canal at long last.

And they are being thrown into the next battle because there is no choice. This is where "find a way" and "get it done" take on real meaning. There is not too much the coaches can do for them. There is no time to prepare a surprise attack. The enemy knows we come and they know we are exhausted. But they are exhausted too. And one of their best players is injured, just as one of ours is.

Still certain advantages of almost incalculable worth are ours. We are bigger. We are better. We have have been to hell and back and lived to tell the tale. We know how good we can be. We know how hard and how long we have to play to win. We know competitive greatness and the will to win are decisive. We know we have turned the tide at long last and that to lay down now, even though we doubt we have enough gas to go farther, would endanger our buddies, ourselves, and our shot at greatness.

Merrill's Mauraders had to go to Michenau.

Patton's army had to pull out of one winter battle, move a 100 kilometers in a blizzard and redeploy for another.

After Mt Suribachi was taken the Marines had to pivot on Iwo, return to the ravines and take the caves.

The difficult comes easy. The impossible takes a little longer.

Victory always bears within it the next trial, the next battle, the next war.

Until something deep in the genes of humanity changes, peace itself is war by other means.

I wish the team did not have to go to Stillwater.

I wish the Marines had not had to go to Iwo Jima, and more than few military strategists and historians have argued it was unnecessary. I wish Churchill had not insisted on an Italian campaign that was probably wholely unnecessary from a military stand point.

I wish all conflict and competition were stopped, when the goal was achieved, and the outcome were no longer in doubt.

But that is not how the world is.

Unnecessary battles must be fought and won in the course of every human undertaking for humans are not gods and they struggle to a future on a path fraught with uncertainties and complexities that yield not only victories and losses, but absurdities, also.

And all human completion, from toad on on a rock, to basketball, from sibling rivalries to fights over inheritance, from control of Main Street to control of multinationals, from the campaign for city councilman, to which private oligarchy will rule the nation states of the world, are all unnecessary and absurd competitions, when cooperation and love and trust could accomplish vastly more without any of the losers and losses created by competition.

But we cannot help far.

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

Erratum: Change "completion" to competition.

Hank Cross 10 years, 5 months ago

You're right about Churchill and the Italian campaign. Gallipoli still haunted him.

Thomas Michaud 10 years, 5 months ago

Finally got to watch that second half against MU. Amazed at the work the Hawks did to come back against a really good MU team. There were some shots that could have fallen on either side to have cause either side to win in regulation (esp. TRob's two misses in a row down low -- kid could have had well into the 30s). Absolutely loved some of the plays that were run for dribble drive/backdoor passes/dunks from TRob, KY, and TT. Just hope that prophet and Conner keep hitting all the way thru March Madness.

For tonight's game ... I believe the way this team is capable of playing, the Hawks will walk away with a victory. Not saying that Page won't get his, but between TRob, TT, EJ, and a step up player (or two) tonight (e.g. Jeff, Conner, Travis or even Kevin) will make sure that the Hawks take the title outright. Having Nash out for OSU (or less than full capabilities) really hurts -- sad to see.

Jocelyn Kennedy 10 years, 5 months ago

91.41% 1203 votes with next highest only getting 35.

bradynsdad 10 years, 5 months ago

Seth Davis posting on twitter the blocked shot by Robinson at the end of regulation, called it a blatant foul that was not called. He didn't post any other call/no calls but he made sure to let everyone know Robinson fouled. Doesn't shock me considering he wants Davis as POY.

JayHok 10 years, 5 months ago

Principal of verticality on a floater. The ball was released before the player came flying into the shotblocker. The ball was cleanly swatted. The contact came as a result of the shooter flying horizontally out of control.

What did Seth Davis have to say about Withey and Robinson's fouls in the first half that resulted in a 22 point swing to end the half. Those calls send the game from a 10 point Kansas lead to a 12 point Mizzou lead.

Has he reviewed those calls.

JayHok 10 years, 5 months ago

Tweeted Seth Davis. Jayhawk fans attack his twitter on this. We go from up 10 to down 12 due to phantom calls. Maybe he'd like to explain that to his audience

bradynsdad 10 years, 5 months ago

I tweeted him asking the very same thing. Then I asked him why he didn't post any videos of bad calls in Columbus. I also asked him to post videos of trob and Witheys fouls in the first half.

actorman 10 years, 5 months ago

When did we play at Ohio State? Or do you mean Columbia?

KansasComet 10 years, 5 months ago

When we play with a sense of urgency. We are the best team in the Nation. We have had an incredible season. Losing all the talent we had last year, and still a top 5 team. What more can a Kansas basketball fan ask for? Everyone is still on a high from the game on Saturday. Hopefully it continues tonight.

The recruits had to come away impressed. Even if they don't pick KU, it doesn't mean that they didn't like it here. They have a lot of people in their ears. Sometimes there are other factors involved. I wish all the recruits that visited Saturday, success as they grow from boys into men. Hopefully, some will chose KU!! Go Jayhawks!!

Phoghorn 10 years, 5 months ago

At the suggestion of Hawkinator, Phoghorn has issued his second and final Trap Game Watch of the regular season. This watch is in effect for Gallagher-Iba Arena starting at 8 pm this evening. Depending on how events develop, the watch could be cancelled early or be upgraded to a Trap Game Warning.

Jeffery Barrett 10 years, 5 months ago

Sorry to pick on you, Freddy, but the trap game would have been the aTm game last week......if KU would have lost.

A trap game is a game vs an inferior opponent just before a "big" game vs say a rival or superior team if it results in a loss.

And, yes, I researched it thoroughly.

Kye Clark 10 years, 5 months ago

We need this win tonight!

Winning tonight will display a different level of toughness for this team. Not a higher level than we saw Saturday, but a different one for sure. Overcoming the tendency of Self's teams to under-perform in Stillwater. Dispatching of an lesser talented team on a short turn-around following the emotionally & physically draining game Saturday. Beating Okie State on Keiton Page's Senior Night. Claiming the league crown outright now, rather than putting the pressure on themselves Saturday against a Texas team that played them to one possession in Austin. A win tonight will allow Self to let his team recharge more this week, as opposed to having to push them harder than he'd perhaps like to. It would also allow us to play care-free and loose for our own Senior Night next Saturday.

My early prediction for Hawk to Rock - EJ. He'll most likely be assigned to guard Page. If EJ shuts him down, or even just contains him enough that he doesn't "go off", we win.

On another note, I wonder where Ralster & Shaw are? Was looking forward to seeing those two chime in on the MU game

Chris Shaw 10 years, 5 months ago

I'm here, I was in Lake Tahoe and Napa Valley the last 9 days and took a break from the blogging world. I was here in spirit still reading the boards.

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 5 months ago

Two BIG things here.

First, this quick turn around on games is just what the doctor ordered.

Think Sweet Sixteen to Elite Eight. Should this group get to the Sweet Sixteen (no reason they shouldn't) the turn around from the Sweet Sixteen game to the Elite Eight game is similar.

Second, glad there were some high level recruits at Saturday's game. Glad they liked the atmosphere.

BIG question, anyone know if they were caught up in the atmosphere enough to be yelling for KU, jumping up and down on the TRob block, slobbering over ones self on the Young and Taylor dunks? I did, and I was in the comfort of my living room. And if they did, it's a very good bet Kansas will be their choice.

dtdjayhawk 10 years, 5 months ago

Shabazz was taking a lot of pictures and seemed like videos on his phone

chaggs 10 years, 5 months ago

motto for the last 2 games: "Don't Share"

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 5 months ago

With one daughter an engineer about to work for NASA and a second daughter in law school (source, sounds like Mr and Mrs Parker have done one helluva job with their kids and I would love to see them give the responsibility to Self, Manning, Hudy, and the University of Kansas for Tony's next phase!

Tony Bandle 10 years, 5 months ago

1] The wailing and knashing of teeth is deafening here in Tigerland.

2] The concensus is that the refs were paid of by the Big 12 to punish Missouri for leaving.

3] Misery is claiming Robinson's last second block was a clean block above and an obvious foul at the body. [ Personally, I have seen it called both ways many, many opinion, it didn't cost Mizzou the game!!!]

4] I do give them credit, because they are all wondering what the heck was their guard doing in the lane trying to stop TRob with a 3-point lead at the end of regulation.

5] The big squawk is about the "phantom" foul on Tyshawn's OT drive.

6] Did anyone notice that one of Haith's Miami players has been suspended and the booster invovlved claims Haith knew about it??!! It just gets better and better!!

7] A loss tonight will go a long way toward undoing all the NCAA good the victory against Missouri did on Saturday. With Nash hurt, shut down Paige and we'll be alright.

8] Let me congratulate the crowd on Saturday for an almost continuous overwhelming din, not giving up and, most importantly, not rushing the court. [Although, based on the circumstances, I could almost cut some slack on that, if it had happened.]

9] I hit the record button for the game and, for some unknown reason, hit record again for the two shows afterwards. Thank God, I got it all and have watched it three times over the weekend. What a wonder "mood enhancer!!!"

JayHok 10 years, 5 months ago

The dude shot a floater. You can't shoot a floater, get it swatted and a split second later fly into the defender hoping to get the call. Sorry the rules change when body contact occurs on a floater when a guy is obviously trying to draw a foul.

The rest of the guys were running down the court after the ball by the time contact occurred.

It's a floater!

If this is a foul how about Robinson throws up a shot straight up towards the roof and then runs around while the ball is on it's way up looking for a Mizzou defender to run into and make body contact with.

HawkKlaw 10 years, 5 months ago

I must echo the sentiments that this could definitely end up being a trap game for KU. We always have a tough time in Stillwater and we're coming off one of the most intense college bball games I've ever seen. It's going to take a lot of mental toughness to pull out a win tonight.

Don't get complacent Hawks, you've got a title to win outright!

And as far as ESPN personalities and Mizzou fans griping about the TRob block: Get over it. That was a clean block, no doubt about it. Sure, there were some other questionable calls, but that one specifically was called correctly. Besides, in the end the game doesn't come down to one call. It comes down to which team can play better for 40 minutes. KU was better Saturday and that's that.

You know what's better than griping about that call? Holding on to a 19 point lead with 16 minutes left in the game. That was the biggest blunder of the day and you can't blame anyone but yourself for that.

jgkojak 10 years, 5 months ago

This game should end recruiting for KU-

if you attended this game and you won't commit to be a Jayhawk you're never coming to Kansas.

Chris Shaw 10 years, 5 months ago

A couple of things to note:

1) I hope Jeff Withey can play tonight and get that ankle loosened up and also get a couple more blocks. As of this morning, Withey is currently 7th in the nation in Blocked shots at 3.31 per game. He is second only to Anthony Davis out of the BCS conference players and has 96 total blocks compared to Davis' national leading 139 for the season.

That's pretty impressive considering Withey is ahead of Fab Melo, John Henson, Gorgui Dieng (Louisville), and Andre Drummond.

2) I have kept this stat all season, but I really like where Kansas and it's guard are focusing their attention from the perimeter in their six game winning streak since the Mizzou loss. Even in the Mizzou loss, I didn't mind the 3 point FG attempts, but the Texas A&M game is a prime example of where the team lossed focus and didn't pay attention to their strengths.

Mizzou - 6-16 from 3 point range (Loss) Baylor - 6-14 from 3 point range (Win) Okie State- 4-15 from 3 point range (Win) KSU - 4-13 from 3 point range (Win) Texas Tech- 9-15 from 3 point range (Win) Texas A&M 4-18 from 3 point range (Win) Mizzou 9-19 from 3 point range (Win)

Total: 42-110 from 3 point range and that means they are averaging 15.7 attempts per game which is about where they need to be.

Note: I can understand the second Mizzou win jacking up 19 attempts because if those attempts aren't taken when KU was down 19 than KU doesn't win that game. I still believe keeping the attempts down is the best recipe for this squad going forward though.

Chris Shaw 10 years, 5 months ago

Oops: "Lost" focus! Good Grief that is bad!

Alohahawk 10 years, 5 months ago

I agree KU needs to limit their 3 attempts to about 15 a game. The Jayhawk's strength lies inside the paint. What worried me against MU was when KU started jacking up threes, without attempting to work the ball into the paint, each time MU made a 3.

However, and again I agree, since the 3's started falling in the second half, and KU needed the points to catch up, it worked out fine.

Now, if that would just give Teahan and Johnson the confidence they need to continue making, not missing, them. That would really open the paint for TRob and Withey in future game.

stinkybulldog 10 years, 5 months ago

I was wishing the student section would hold up the white letters to spell "Shabazz", but it never happened...

Chris Shaw 10 years, 5 months ago

There was a Bazz Lightyear poster with his picture on it. It was pretty cool!

Chris Shaw 10 years, 5 months ago

IMO it looks like LeBryan Nash won't play ball tonight because of a fractured hand. That's fine if he wants to play, but I think he will be a non-factor if he does play.

With that said, I think that decreases the chances of this game falling into the "Trap Game" mode. I know Self hasn't had much luck at his Alma Mater, but I don't think tonight is going to be Ford's opportunity to knock off the Jayhawks.

We'll see if Coach Ford uses a press tonight that seemed to work against the Jayhawks in their comeback in the second half when the Cowboys came to Lawrence a couple of weeks ago.

Kye Clark 10 years, 5 months ago

Yeah that's too bad about Nash. I always want to be getting everybody's best shot. I was really disappointed earlier in the season when we played OSU sans Sullinger. I had seen Ford had mentioned something about maybe getting a "contraption" (a brace of some sort I assume) to possibly allow Nash to play, but even so he won't be 100%, and regardless it swings the advantage even more in our favor. Oh well, still gotta go out and take care of business!

Glad to have ya back here Shaw. Rock Chalk!

Joe Baker 10 years, 5 months ago

OSU has little to gain from this game and this now puts them at a huge disadvantage. I say they bench him, play a good game and replan for next year when he'll be back 100%. I don't think this one game will make much difference for them.

He has to use his hands to do too much and he's too limited to even play. I want him to play 100% and healthy because I don't want to hear any excuses from the critics.

Kye Clark 10 years, 5 months ago

I agree with everything you said, but there's going to be excuses, because either he doesn't play = excuse. Or he plays at not 100% = excuse. And I keep repeating excuse, but it's a pretty valid reason to not be at the top of your game. As KU fans we've used reasons for a variety of things, when others could easily throw around the term excuse.

JurisJayhawk 10 years, 5 months ago

Best game of my life. I'll never forget it.

No matter what happens with this team, I am proud of what they have done. They have surprised everyone including Coach Self.

Rock Chalk! Now let's secure this 8th Straight all to ourselves!!!!

Joe Baker 10 years, 5 months ago

said Teahan, who played a career-high 37 minutes versus Mizzou... “I’ve never seen a win in Stillwater. Nobody else on our team has seen a win there. That’s motivation in itself.”

All Righty Then - Just Beat the Pokes

Jack Wilson 10 years, 5 months ago

I love bashing refs, because they deserve it. Saturday was a prime example. Multiple fouls called in KU's favor, so then they call a touch foul on TT, and then another just to try to get it back in balance. Both fouls on TRob in the first half were horrible and changed the game.

In the second half, seriously, we got most every call. Not hard to see that. That, coupled with MU's shooting collapse and our never say die approach, got us back in the game.

My opinion .. the call that sent TT to the free throw line appeared horrible. A game changer .. from what I could see. Never got a perfect angle on TV replays. So I qualify it with that.

My opinion .. the call at Columbia .. the charge on TRob .. was horrible from any angle. A game changer. Took two points off the board.

Those calls changed both games. The national media was just as repulsed by TRob's charge call in Columbia as with the one Seth Davis and Bilas were squaking about on TRob's block.

On TRob's block, as pointed out above, the principle of verticality dictates that was not a foul. Problem is, as we saw with Withey's block a few games back, the refs don't call this stuff consistenty, so we get big discussions. Pressey was angling, falling down, when he contacted TRob. My opinion is that it was clean. But if I'm MU, I'd complain too .. mainly based on what was called in our favor (including the one that got Taylor to the line).

We're even.

Chris Shaw 10 years, 5 months ago

Saturday was not a good day for that crew, HEM. With that said, based on your comment yesterday.............You and I could never have lunch because, well, I'm an official! LOL!

Jack Wilson 10 years, 5 months ago

I assumed that from your past posts. No, we could. I used to umpire baseball and ref basketball. And I've coached multiple seasons, in multiple sports at various levels of competition.

There are some good folks that officiate/umpire, etc. Of course.

But what I've found is a culture of arrogance and laziness. That they can't make mistakes, that if mistakes are made .. well, it's judgment. An almost blind defense of the indefensible many times. Lack of knowlege of the rules. More concern about how they look, vs. getting the call right. I've seen massivly overweight basketball officials that can't get up and down the court. God complexes. You name it.

When I umpired, I dealt with guys that would admit that they were treating one team differently because they didn't like the coach.

I could go on and on. Pretty much seen it all.

I went to high school game a couple of weeks ago .. a dad of a senior athlete at the host school was refereeing both girls and boys varsity games. 6A competition. His son didn't play baskeball, but he personally knew many of the kids, etc. The opponent didn't even know. It's that sort of crap that is rampant.

All you have to do is get me started ....

People think .. oh, they're officials. They're impartial. But they are just like everyone else. They just so happen to put on an officials uniform, which doesn't change their character.

Joe Baker 10 years, 5 months ago

They lost total control of the calls and it showed both ways. They just decided to call it consistently bad. If it looked like a foul, call it. They never rebounded. They should've came out the second half and let the teams play. They should've started calling it better by calling real fouls. They never go it right.

It was what they called the Apollo 13 mission a "Successful Failure."

Is it possible for the refs to forget their official capacity only to find themselves caught spectating? Perhaps they wanted to watch the game and forgot to make calls. Maybe they just panicked since it was a big game and just simply choked the entire game?

Jack Wilson 10 years, 5 months ago

Funny, at halftime I was thinking of a line from the Apollo 13 during all of the negative talk from poster ... "I think this will be our finest hour."

Jocelyn Kennedy 10 years, 5 months ago

Never really thought about it like that, but it would be hard as an official not to want to just spectate!

Phoghorn 10 years, 5 months ago

If you are looking for something to do before tip-off, OSU has a pretty cool write-up of the history and expansion of Gallagher-Iba Arena. Yeah, I know, it is their place, not ours, but as a fan of the OSU-KU rivalry, and our shared history/coaches, I found it to be an interesting link:

Rock Chalk! Let's get clinch this thing tonight!

Joe Baker 10 years, 5 months ago

OSU has nothing to lose. A team that plays with nothing to lose is a dangerous team. KU tends to play like Self said, "tight, protecting, rather than attacking and taking."

Phoghorn 10 years, 5 months ago

That is what scares me. Not to mention that a "win one for Nash" attitude could overtake the Cowboys. Can't wait to see how KU responds to an emotionally and physically draining win on Saturday. I think KU wins, but make no mistake, this could be a real test.

My prediction...both teams turn back the clock 40 years as both offenses have an off night...

KU 62 OSU 58

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 5 months ago

I absolutely love their old, white maple court.

Phoghorn 10 years, 5 months ago

Agreed. I definitely want to watch a game in GIA someday. I attended a KU-OSU football game at Lewis Field a few years ago and had a lot of fun. Great fans!

brooksmd 10 years, 5 months ago

With all the talk about TRob's block on Pressey, I'm surprised there isn't a bigger uproar about the UConn player being mugged on the missed shot at the end of the UConn-Syr game. And is it true the officials for the KU game was the same crew that did the game at Columbia? Surprising if it was as bad as they screwed up that game. Don't think they'll be asked to the big dance.

BainDread 10 years, 5 months ago

If ESPN's box score information from the two games is correct, it was a completely different crew. At Columbia: Rodrick Dixon, Doug Sirmons, Don Daily. At Lawrence: Mark Whitehead, Gerry Pollard, Brent Meaux.

Dyrk Dugan 10 years, 5 months ago


three totally different guys. Whitehead and Pollard regulary do Big 12 games....the guys in Columbia were not part of the regular rotation of the Big 12. two were mainly Southland conference refs.

Jeffery Barrett 10 years, 5 months ago

"It's a great rivalry, two schools that fiercely do not like each other hooking up and going at it," Self said. "It is a shame it is going to end, but it is definitely going to end."

Great quote from Coach Self in an article about the rivalry ending that is now on the front page of

danmoore 10 years, 5 months ago

Easily the best regular season game ever! Hope we don’t meet again in the conference tourney or big dance. I want this to be the last memory of the rivalry.

Jeffery Barrett 10 years, 5 months ago

From my post above....

........the trap game would have been the aTm game last week......if KU would have lost.

A trap game is a game vs an inferior opponent just before a "big" game vs say a rival or superior team if it results in a loss.

And, yes, I researched it thoroughly.

MizzouBest 10 years, 5 months ago

HA! Love you're emblem!! "Occupy a Job".....I like are for KU. But in politics we can agree!!

Jeffery Barrett 10 years, 5 months ago

Thanks. I saw a guy wearing a shirt that said that in Las Vegas over the new year holiday. I laughed as I walked by him and he stopped and said he gets either laughs or looks that kill!!! And my fb friends really love it.....well, not all of them!

mikehawk 10 years, 5 months ago

Time of the year, and with the status of this team, for the real, serious type bloggers to please stand up. The big dogs are on it now for some interesting posts, short of simply fan blather. Jaybate, trustyourSelf, dragnslyr, OakvilleJHawk, to name of few are out and hot on it. I cannot remember a team with as much intrigue as this one. The TRob story, the Tyshawn Troubles, underachievers, low expectations, no stars, no national respect, maybe Bill Self's best job (if that is possible), the Withey birth , no name transfers, deleted eligibility for big time recruits, a slow footed 6 year senior playing lots of minutes, a game last Saturday No One will ever forget, on and on. This is a KU basketball fan's sweet spot time of the year. We probably all need a 12 Step group, but let's put our hitting bottom and the need for sobriety off as long as possible. Let's just hope the national media keeps putting this team down . I think they thrive on disrespect. This time of year is a serious high for even the middle of the road Jayhawk fan, let alone those of us that read and blog at all hours of the day and night. God help us over the next three or four weeks!

JD Roth 10 years, 5 months ago

Teahan is a fifth year senior just to be accurate. He wants a second National Championship added to his resume. He was big on Saturday!! He graduated from Rockhurst High in 2007.

Tony Bandle 10 years, 5 months ago

Based on everything that has happened and that this is so obviously a trap game, can it really be called a trap game since a trap game, by definition, is a game with much less notice after a previous game yet the OSU game is getting a huge notice since it's a Big Monday game, we've had little success here in the Self era and the Hawks will not be unawares of the ramifications of maintaining that this is a trap game........

I just tried to understand what I have just written and, frankly, I don't have a clue!!!

I think I fell into the classic "trap post" whereby I was overconfident that I knew what I was going to say, but, by the time I got there, I knew I wasn't. :)

brooksmd 10 years, 5 months ago

+10 for manning up. Bad thing is I think I understand what you said you don't understand. huh?

kennethst 10 years, 5 months ago

All I know is that someone....anyone.....everyone.......had better make sure that @^&$%%, little Keiton Page is covered. He will get some 3's but we have to limit the damage.

I hate thinking about his 3's going in tonight.....I guess I better prepare myself for it.

I think KU will win.....but it may not be pretty. We'll see.

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

While I share your irritation with Kelton Paige having been a thorn in our sides repeatedly, a season is a series of antagonisms.

A series of sand grains in the muscle of an oyster.

We need these irritations to produce a string of pearls that form a great season.

The more different kinds of grains of sand we face and master, the tougher we are come tournament time.

Kelton Paige, tonight is another chance for us to figure out how to lock you down, you little !@#$%%^^&er!

MizzouBest 10 years, 5 months ago

Good point, always. Trying a 12 yr old Scotch after the game.......from Isle of Jura. Hopefully in celebration!

Dyrk Dugan 10 years, 5 months ago

i'm so sick of hearing about the officiating. here in the KC area, that's all we're getting. Frank Boal basically said last night, the refs conspired with the leauge office, to start "blowing the whistle" and keep MU from winning the league crown in its last year.

Steven St. John on 810 radio said it was a great play on TRob's block of Pressey....because he knows even if you hog tie him, or put him in a headlock to prevent the basket, no foul will be called.

Hey Moo fans! a big 'ol SUCK on it. All we heard from you after the game in Columbia was how great your comeback was, KU choked it away...and you can't blame the officials. well guess what? right back at ya.

You're up 19, KU gets zero fast break points for the game....and you still can't win? Withey plays 9 minutes is no factor (even though he got one basket) and you still can't win? Our bench plays 70 minutes...our terrible weak bench.....and you still can't win? You only have 10 TOs, have two more baskets, a lot more assists, and you still can't win?

on the fouls...the only true questionable call, is the one on the Tyshawn drive. and that was a reach in. the refs call it all the time. How many reach ins when it meant NOTHING...did Elijah get called for? You reach out...even if it doesn't affect the drive...and you touch the dribble gets called. almost EVERY time...even during the middle part of the game.

The TRob and one? Clear undercut by Dixon. He was late, he put the hip in....a pretty easy call. the out official had the clear angle.

the TRob block? no contact BEFORE the block...he swiped it clean...then the bodies hit. have you ever seen a three pointer blocked clean, and then a foul was called afterwards? i have not...and if i have, it's been a long long time ago. You are NOT going to get that call in that situation ....i don't care where the game is. that was a great play by TRob.

there, i've said my piece. We're in line to clinch outright an eighth straight league title (we already have the share), and there's plenty of season left to do great things.

Bill Self is hands down, coach of the year in the league.....very much up for it nationally as well. we have six schollie kids, that were recruited to play bball for us....that actually play.....six. it's truly an overachievement for what this team is about to do.

Just limit Paige tonight...and hang on the boards. we hopefully will eke it out, so we can have a big party celebration on Saturday. Go Jayhawks!

kennethst 10 years, 5 months ago

I agree. The refs didn't didn't blow a 19 point lead....MU did. And the T-Rob block? He got all ball. He may have hit him after that but who cares....that has nothing to do with the shot. The refs usually dont want to call fouls at that stage of the game anyway unless it is blatant. So good no call on that play. Plus I recall some poor calls against KU as well. In the get some good and bad calls.....they almost always even out.

JayHok 10 years, 5 months ago

He got a floater swatted. The release of his shot came long before the contact. Can't throw a shot 75 feet in the air towards the rim, run around and get somebody to touch you and expect a foul. Total Steve Nash move. The NBA had to make desperation floater fouls an emphasis a few years ago because of this. When was the ball released.

Confusion can be erased by watching the entire play, taking note of the floating shot, when it was released plus the guard continued towards Robinson's vertical space. This was not a normal shot. This is the same B.S. Nash used to pull.

JD Roth 10 years, 5 months ago

Yep Boal and Jack Harry were ridiculous. Boal said KU scoring with the clock stopped by the benefit of refs calling fouls was the ONLY way KU could come back and then he say's it happened. KU cut it to 8 without the benefit of any free throws. Mainly three's and T-Rob inside. KU did make 12 of their last 13 free throws, that is a fact.

Kye Clark 10 years, 5 months ago

Well in all fairness, Misery fans aren't mid-majors but the majority of years they are forced to care about the conference tourney as well. Most years a good run in the conference tourney, if not outright winning it, is the only way they get into the NCAA tournament and not the NIT, CBI, etc. They've been conditioned to accept that, so you can't blame them for caring about it even in a year they don't have to.

Kye Clark 10 years, 5 months ago

At least we were there playing them, while you were playing in some second rate tournament. I'll take 4 mid-major losses and our '08 National Championship - and it feels GREAT!!!!!

Alex Berger 10 years, 5 months ago

Kansas = 8 Conference Championships last 8 years Missouri = 0

Baby steps Mizzou fan, baby steps. Try not losing to K-State twice next time around.

Jack Wilson 10 years, 5 months ago

Tell me this -- when have you won anything? Tell me.

How does a school go over a century without a final four? Some fluke or accident. Hell, Santa Clara has been to a final four.

I'll tell you how .. when you're average.

MU is average.

This is your greatest season, right? See, we're used to this. We just aren't used to you being good. And yes, you are good. Very good.

This season, you are a match for KU. You have an excellent team. But much like the 100 year floods your wretched state seems to experience every 15-20 years .. this is the exception, not the rule.

And yes .. we have a sense of entitlement. We've earned it. You, on the other hand, have earned nothing.

By the way, we don't hate you. We feel sorry for you. Feel sorry that you were born into such misery.

We are Kansas, my friend. And you are not.

Kye Clark 10 years, 5 months ago

HEM with the BURN! Honestly you have the best anti-misery smack ever! +1!

Kye Clark 10 years, 5 months ago

Hilarious. Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the meth pipe.

If you hate us as you claim, it's mostly likely because you've been our B!*** in basketball since forever. But then, why are you all down on your knees begging us to keep playing you?

If we make it that far? Maybe you've been under a rock (a meth rock?) for the last 100+ years, but we run this conference! We're finishing with the better regular season record...again. We are in the championship game far more times than you even sniff the semifinals. Get a clue douche.

MizzouBest 10 years, 5 months ago

Icthawk actually has a lot of class, you loser. He's also a loyal fan unlike you.

Dyrk Dugan 10 years, 5 months ago

ONE year you have a good team, and that's what you bring? You were 17-0...we were it's 25-4, and 24-5....getting closer.......

Right now, this looks like, and feels like, the '90 team. You know, the team that swept KU, was ranked in the top 5 all year....and then, voila! Huge collaspe down the bombed by Notre Dame, lost its first round Big 8 game to a last place CU team, and then got bounced out of the 1st round by UNI. (Norm's old school to boot).

Funny, how we never hear about that kind of comparison. Much more likely to happen, than say a big tourney run and a FF berth. (which of course, Moo has never done).

You guys can't beat K-State, but you have a better team than KU? i don't see how that flows.

i will have a great day....because we will clinch another outright Big 12 title this week.....we already have a share of our 8th in a row.

When you actually WIN something......reg. league title, league tourney, FF berth...then you can talk about a better team. But not before.

10 years, 5 months ago

How did Jack Harry come up with dbmansfl as a screen name? The db part makes sense, but the rest is a mess.

Anyway, he must still be upset about his 2012 Big 12 Conference prediction of KU finishing the regular season at the #5 spot.

JD Roth 10 years, 5 months ago

"Screw Red and Blue" "We are Mizzou" Yep, your best team in years, if not of all time, couldn't win the 2011-2012 Big XII regular season championship. Take your rap song and reword it and don't look now but you are closer to third place than first place. KU will win it outright, no sharing allowed.

Alohahawk 10 years, 5 months ago

KU still ranked #4, despite beating the #3 team. Duke jumps over the Jayhawks to #3. Could be the difference between a #1 seed and a #2 seed in the Big Dance. Missouri after 2 straight losses, drops to 8th, if I remember correctly. A #1 seed may depend on how Michigan State does in their next few games. KU definitely needs to beat OSU tonight.

<p> has a nice write up that Shabazz's dad was very impressed with the visit he and his son had at KU, and that KU definitely has a chance. His dad seems, at this point to be a KU lean. Although, who wouldn't have felt that way after Saturday's game? Mentioned that he was specifically impressed with the weights program set up by Hudy, and the KU's academics. Looks like it could boil down to what happens when the two attend the Duke - N. Carolina game. Shabazz doesn't plan to announce till April though.

10 years, 5 months ago

Aloha ~ Duke has actually been ranked one spot ahead of us in the Coaches' Poll for the last few weeks. We have been closing the gap on them points-wise though.

Thanks for the Shabazz info!

brooksmd 10 years, 5 months ago

AP still has Duke behind us with us a 3, while USA Today Coaches is just the opposite.

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

A 1, or a 2, no longer matters.

All that matters now is if the team believes what it did against MU was luck or the drive of a great team rising to a great challenge.

If they believe the latter, they will win this tournament regardless of seed.

If they believe the former, a 1 seed will not save them.

kennethst 10 years, 5 months ago

Poor dbman.......Jealousy is rough, isn't it? KU has been,is,and always will be superior to MU in every way. Deal with it. And while you're dealing with......Sit and Spin, loser......Sit and Spin.

MizzouBest 10 years, 5 months ago

I,too, am an MU fan. But I find you, sir, to be a moron. There is no place for your hate on this board. I came on here a few weeks ago to be smarty pants and a bit obnoxious.....but you have taken it to an unacceptable level.

Morons like you give a bad name to good MU fans. Most have class, unlike you.

Furthermore.....stop making excuses for us losing. The refs had nothing to do with it. We lost. Period. Get over it. I can tell you that after KU lost a few weeks ago.....people on this board did not make excuses.

You're pathetic and sad.

10 years, 5 months ago

MizzouBest ~ I apologize for any past mean-spirited things directed your way by me or any other KU fan on here. It takes a lot of intestinal fortitude for you to be able to come back here so soon after a tough loss to us. I have met a few classy MU fans in my lifetime, and can now count you as one of them. Well done, Mizzou’s Best.

kufankam 10 years, 5 months ago

i will agree with you about Dixon "heaving"... everytime he shot it, i thought "no way"... but the sucker kept making em. i hesitate to even call it a shot. he has that hitch in there much like Charles Barkley's golf swing. UGLY (but, if it goes in - it goes in).

i will grant you that the refs were questionable late in the game at our place (as they were in columbia as well). however, if you go back and watch trob's first foul you will see that he did not touch ANYONE. it was a total phantom call... calls are a part of the game - good and bad. bottom line is, you don't win 8 in a row because the refs miss calls. you have to be better than bad calls. KU has to take care of business tonight and Saturday. then, we can relish yet another great Big12 'ship!! MU is off to the sec empty handed and can always look back at how great they "thought" they were, shoulda been, coulda been, etc. only problem, you don't hang banners for coulda, shoulda, woulda...

Brian Skelly 10 years, 5 months ago

We all talk about the big "trap" game. Has there ever been one more set up than this one? Going into a place we recently havent played well, on Sr. night to boot.

My guess is we'll win, but I wouldnt be shocked if we need to beat UT on Saturday to clinch the conference.

OSU not having Nash is big, considering after witnessing the previous time we played them that Nash and Paige are about all they have on offense.

I wouldnt worry to much about Mizzery fans. They'll go back in to hiding here in a few weeks.

I'll miss the games with them, but I certainly wont miss their fans.

Alohahawk 10 years, 5 months ago

MU fans have always been insecure. Now, they've added it to their conference affiliation: In'SEC'urity.

Of course they tried (and failed as they do at most things) to 'SEC'ede from the nation.

And they'll always play 'SEC'ond fiddle to KU.

They won't get to "SEC"ond base in the SEC, because they're 'SEC'ond class at everything (except maybe when it comes to meth production).

Wander if they buy everything 'SEC'ondhand?

Maybe they'll hide in 'SEC'lusion when they end up 'SEC'ond from the bottom in conference standings every year.

Maybe they wouldn't end up so confused if their new conference initials were 'SUCKS', instead of SEC.

niemoth 10 years, 5 months ago

anyone else wonder what happened with just over 8 minutes left and Releford gets fouled. Ref clearly held hand up in air when blew whistle and waited to see if shot went in. Did not wave hands when shot went up in air and point to the floor to signal on the floor foul, but was 7th team foul, and Releford only gets a 1 and 1 instead of 2 shots and misses front end. I rewinded it twice to look and watch ref. Also, when watching the Kentucky game earlier in day, they reversed a charge call to a block after looking at tape and seeing foot in circle. Could Self have asked refs to look at tape on T-Rob's charge in 1st half, to see Mizzou player had heel in circle?

10 years, 5 months ago

MizzouBest ~ I was able to read your post before they deleted dbmansfl and all attached responses. I apologize for any past mean-spirited things directed your way by me or anyone else on here. It takes a lot of intestinal fortitude for you to be able to come back here so soon after a tough loss to us. I have met a few classy MU fans in my lifetime, and can now count you as one of them. Well done, Mizzou’s Best.

MizzouBest 10 years, 5 months ago are gentleman of the first order. Any of your mean-spirited comments directed at me were more than derserved. This loser "dbman" is just that.....a loser. His comments were hateful. I would never be hateful. Obnoxious? Sure. But there is no place for that BS.

It certainly was a tough loss.....especially being ahead 19 points. But what is there to do? Blame the refs? Never. Refs dont decide the outcome of games.

I hope we can play once each year. It will not be the same but it will be close. Look at Louisville and KY....they play once and seem to manage to have a heated rivalry.

okiedave 10 years, 5 months ago

I must have missed "Bbman". What was the gist of his post?

MizzouBest 10 years, 5 months ago

He was deleted......hateful comments.....over the line.

MizzouBest 10 years, 5 months ago

KU Fans......You know I'm an MU fan and can be a bit obnoxious and smart-$%^ sometimes. But let me apologize for "dbman".....apparently another MU fan.

But his posts went too far and were full of hate.......He is pathetic and sad....and has no class.

It looks like he was deleted.....I hope so. But my apologioes for his BS.

Phoghorn 10 years, 5 months ago

Agreed. I wish that the KU-MU rivalry would include more fans like him. This has been a great rivalry, but sometimes the nastiness on both sides got out of hand.

I hope someday KU and MU can play again without the shenanigans and vitriol that have marred the rivalry.

Phoghorn 10 years, 5 months ago

Thanks MizzouBest. I must apologize to you sir concerning our discussion of Longtimehawk on an earlier thread. I was of the opinion that he was a Tiger Fan, but during the game he outed himself as a KSU guy. Please accept my apologies for attributing him to your institution.

JJHAWK 10 years, 5 months ago

Could the most intense rivalry in the nation had ended any other way - both teams played their hearts out..

The bottom line for me on the game - Denman shot in the game winner (only it was 1 second too late. That is how close and hotley contested the game was.)

WOW and super WOW.

MizzouBest 10 years, 5 months ago

KU Fans.....may I suggest.....after seeing Saturday's game......that we .....uh......

CONTINUE TO PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 5 months ago

a rematch in the Big XII or NCAA Tourny would be epic

10 years, 5 months ago

The ESPN College Gameday crew said at the start of their 7pm show Saturday that they wish KU and MU played every weekend :^) Seriously, I wouldn’t mind doing what you guys do with Illinois in St. Louis, where we would play each other once a year at the Sprint Center in KC. I should be careful what I ask for though, since it seems that unless KU is involved in post-season games at that venue, we haven’t fared too well!

Tony Bandle 10 years, 5 months ago

To match a class poster with class, any team that comes into Allen and takes the Jayhawks to a one point, overtime win is a great team, in my book.

I think Kansas should be #3, Missouri #4 and both teams get a #1 won't happen, of course, but that game was sure fun!!!!!

danmoore 10 years, 5 months ago

Have no hard feelings towards MU but don't think the rivalry will have the same intensity once we are in two different conferences. Since we cannot play each other in football next year due to contract obligations by both schools the football side will have to come to an end. The basketball half could continue but I think it is unlikely.

If the rivalry is to continue I think it will be for financial reasons and not for the sake of fans. Universities are behaving like corporations today so the bottom line will be based on money.

From my perspective I think a couple of years off would not be a bad thing then both schools can reevaluate and see if they want to continue. Personally, I’m looking forward to turning up the heat on the K-State rivalry. No reason why we can’t mutually despise one another the way KU and MU have for the last 120 years.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 5 months ago

Anyone else as emotionally spent for the game tonight as I am?

okiedave 10 years, 5 months ago

Nash will likely be playing tonight. KU recruited Nash and Nash is not going to miss this game.

Dale Sprague 10 years, 5 months ago

MizzouBest .... I couldn't agree more. Continue the series. It's the only one I know of rooted in Civil War Conflict. This rivalry is for more than just $$ or pride. It's a part of life!! RCJH

niemoth 10 years, 5 months ago

It will be awhile before KU and MU play a regular season game again. It will never mean as much when it is non-conference. Mizzou made the decision that it was better for them to leave the Big 12 and hence leave the rivalry. Kansas would be getting pressure from the other big 12 schools not to play as well. Because of Kansas' tradition, they don't need Missouri nearly as much as Missouri needs Kansas. While, I agree, as most fans do as well, that it would still be fun to play each year, even in football, it is now a politics and spite thing that will not get done. It is KU's way of getting back at Mizzou for leaving and causing more instability in the conference by not giving them a game that they need more than Kansas does. Dana O'neill wrote a good article on about how Kansas can get back at Mizzou by playing the game and showing that they are the "bigger university." But highly doubt it happens. I know Mizzou fans try to say they left because of the instability, but it was Missouri that created some of that instability to begin with because they were hoping to be the next big 10 team before Nebraska when everyone speculated that Big 10 network wanted the St. Louis and KC markets. In my opinion Mizzou left for 3 reasons: more money (which read somewhere will end up not being more money when they have to spend more to keep up with the SEC football schools who spend lots more than they do), because of how much power Texas has over the big 12, and because of their lack of respect ie. when KU got the Orange Bowl over them (which was just because Lew Perkins was a better AD than Alden. Lew got us that Orange Bowl)

DenverJHawkMK 10 years, 5 months ago

Straight off the espn college basketball presses:

Paraphrasing here:

At various times in Kansas's run, the Big 12 has been the best or second-best conference in the country. (Per Ken Pomeroy, that's the case again this year; the Big 12 ranks behind only the Big 10 in overall strength.) At various times in Self's tenure, his competition has recruited and rostered the likes of Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley, Blake Griffin, LaMarcus Aldridge, Acie Law, Tristan Thompson, James Anderson, Tony Allen, and D.J Augustin -- and that's literally just the NBA guys that first came to mind. I'm sure there are countless more worthy of inclusion, including lottery picks like Perry Jones III, or stars like Jacob Pullen, or Missouri's unique lightning-in-a-bottle squad this season.

There may have been some NCAA tournament upsets along the way, and some have been more dramatic than others, but in the biggest sample sizes, against some of the best college hoops talent of the past decade, Self's Kansas program has prevailed. It's a ridiculous, mind-blowing run of success, and we don't talk about it enough.

By Eamonn Brennan

Kye Clark 10 years, 5 months ago

I had seen the article, and I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I don't think you understand what "paraphrasing" is. What you posted are word-for-word excerpts from Eamonn Brennan's blog. That's not paraphrasing. Paraphrasing is using your own words, or at least someone different from the original author/speaker that your are referencing. Just because you didn't copy & paste the whole thing in here it still doesn't qualify as paraphrasing. Better to have said "here's a few quotes that I found particularly relevant/meaningful/on the mark/etc", and then put what you copied and pasted in quotation marks.

Sorry if that comes off as mean-spirited, just a journalistic pet peeve of mine.

MizzouBest 10 years, 5 months ago

Icthawkl-nice to see you again and I sadly must say congratulations for Saturday.

rockchalkjayhawk4ku11 10 years, 5 months ago

Anyone know were to find the whole game online?

Mike Kendall 10 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, I wouldn't mind buying a copy of a DVD of this epic game.

okiedave 10 years, 5 months ago

In my humble opinion, it is heated rivalry that adds zest to any basketball schedule or games. Would I prefer to see a KU vs. TT or T&M game or a KU vs. MU or KSU game. No question, the rivalry needs to continue.

Steve Brown 10 years, 5 months ago

Parker, Sampson, Shabizzzz get any two out of three, fine by me if OAD SBizz goes to Caliprobationari.

MU played great, as we did in Columbia, the final is just the way the ball bounces....Glad MU put together the best team in a decade. After two games, seems we are about equal.

Hope you do well in both tourneys, as long as no final fours..tradition continues.

mikehawk 10 years, 5 months ago

Am I the only one out there who hopes for a #2 seed? I think the pressure seems to get to us when we get the top seed. The Fan(atic) expectation in the KU Nation is enormous. A Number Two lightens our load. Out of sight, out of mind. The less respect we get going into the tournament helps this team. Adversity, disrespect, no talent, no names, no chance...bring it on. The top tier teams have more talent on paper than we do, anyway. It's the little guys with the big three point shooters who are loosy goosy with nothing to lose that kill us. This team's best friend is a chip on the shoulder and a bad attitude from some "expert" Eastern media source that disses them. When we are relaxed AND focused (we have trouble doing both at the same time), you better bring it because these guys come to play with the best coach in America sitting on the bench.

theend 10 years, 5 months ago

Feel the same.....I would be happier with a #2

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