Kansas State defeats Kansas, 59-21

  • 11 a.m., Oct. 22, 2011
  • David Booth Kansas Memorial Stadium, Lawrence, KS

Saturday, October 22, 2011

Sunflower downer: Two-minute stretch seals KU’s fate in 59-21 loss to Kansas State

Kansas defensive end Keba Agostinho holds his head on the Kansas bench during the fourth quarter against Kansas State on Saturday, Oct. 22, 2011 at Kivisto Field.

Kansas defensive end Keba Agostinho holds his head on the Kansas bench during the fourth quarter against Kansas State on Saturday, Oct. 22, 2011 at Kivisto Field.


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KU coach Turner Gill

Kansas coach Turner Gill talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 59-21 loss to Kansas State on Oct. 22, 2011.

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Want to know just how wide the gap is between the football programs at Kansas University and Kansas State?

Look no further than the two-minute sequence that spanned the end of the first half and the beginning of the second on Saturday at Memorial Stadium.

During that tiny portion of the Wildcats' 59-21 rout of the Jayhawks — the second such beating suffered by KU versus KSU in the Turner Gill era — K-State turned a 28-14 lead into a 45-14 laugher in front of a crowd of 47,157.

During that stretch, KSU picked up a gift field goal, scored a touchdown on a kickoff return and tacked on another TD after KU fumbled on its first play from scrimmage in the third quarter.

"We let the game get away from us at the beginning of the second half," junior linebacker Toben Opurum said. "When a team scores two touchdowns in less than two minutes, it's going to shoot anybody's momentum down. We kind of let that bring us down as an offense and a defense."

It wasn't just the scores that were discouraging, but how they came. The field goal, which was kicked on the final play of the first half, was the result of a blown coverage by KU that allowed freshman wide receiver Tyler Lockett to pick up 48 yards. The kickoff return, a 97-yarder by Lockett, seemed to be the blow that buried the Jayhawks.

That was obvious by what followed. On the ensuing kickoff return, KU (2-5 overall, 0-4 in Big 12 play) committed three different penalties — a hold, an illegal block and a personal foul — then fumbled on the first play from scrimmage. Asked after the game to explain the collapse, Gill was direct.

"It's discipline," he said.

Gill, who has won just one Big 12 game in 12 tries since coming to Kansas, didn't stop there, choosing instead to praise the Wildcats just as he did following recent losses to Georgia Tech (66-24), Texas Tech (45-34), Oklahoma State (70-28) and Oklahoma (47-17).

"You've got to give credit to them," Gill said. "They're a great football team and that's why they're ranked as one of the top teams in the country."

What began with promise — KU actually controlled the field-position battle early and had a first down near midfield with the game tied at zero — ended like so many games before it. The 38-point loss was the ninth of 28 points or more in 19 games under Gill. It marked the sixth loss of 35 or more.

"Things are getting repetitive," junior cornerback Greg Brown said. "You don't like losing. You don't like getting used to losing, which it seems like we're doing as a team."

K-State's 466 yards of offense were a season high but came in far below the numbers KU had given up in recent weeks, as OU and OSU both topped 600 yards. However, it should be pointed out that the Wildcats pretty much shut it down offensively after the scoring flurry in the third quarter. Lockett's touchdown catch with 10:33 to play in the third gave KSU a 52-14 lead. After that, K-State (7-0, 4-0) ran a lot of "Wildcat" plays and simply tried to salt the clock away.

Another week resulted in yet another record for a KU opponent. KSU quarterback Collin Klein's 195 yards passing were a career high. Klein, who added 92 yards and four TDs rushing, topped his previous high of 146 passing yards by throwing for 176 yards in the first half alone. In addition, Lockett's five receptions and 110 receiving yards were both career highs, as were the two sacks by K-State defensive end Meshak Williams.

The 59 points were the most scored by KSU since scoring that amount against KU a season ago. In that one, the Wildcats racked up 470 yards of offense, four more than they tallied Saturday.

Numbers such as those added credibility to the KSU contingent that serenaded exiting KU fans with chants of "Just like last year."

It wasn't just the KSU offense that shined on Saturday. KU's powerful rushing game was limited to just 76 yards on 37 carries, and the Jayhawks lost two fumbles. What's more, the Jayhawks ran nearly half a dozen plays that went for negative yardage.

"They play hard," said junior receiver Kale Pick. "They are a really disciplined team. They hustle hard to the ball and try to strip you every chance they get. They are coached well and they stay to their assignments and techniques and don't make any mistakes."

Added sophomore running back James Sims: "They just outplayed us. They came out ready to play, and we didn't."

This summer, many believed KU's season would produce three or four wins at most. Gill remained more optimistic. So much so that at a pep rally in Prairie Village in August, he responded to a question from a fan about the chances of beating K-State this season, with the following: "This year, we're gonna get the last laugh. That's hearing it from me and my football players."

Oops. With 27 minutes to play on Saturday, the number of purple shirts in the KU student section outnumbered the number of blue shirts. The only thing that topped the purple? Silver. As in the color of the Memorial Stadium bleachers.

"When the score's like that, and it just starts rolling for them, it's gotten to the point where you expect it," said sophomore cornerback Tyler Patmon, asked about seeing mostly purple in the KU student section in the third quarter. "Yeah, you want our fans to stay, but when we put on a performance like that, you can't be wrong by leaving. That's understandable."


ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 10 months ago

Las Vegas Hilton will no longer accept bets over $1000 from me.


TwistedFish31 10 years, 10 months ago

Why did you change your name back to apherahole from K-State_Wilcats, loser?

HawkNVegas 10 years, 10 months ago

Man, betting on the 2nd half even if they lose is always a good way to $-bank-$ as well. Palms lets You bet during the game, and they've been getting Hit Up. $1,000 on the 2nd half of the games where the team will either A) take out there starters and lose the half or B) keep smashing teams like KU so bad even with back-ups and people who don't play unless they're Div 2 like KU Football is my fave way to come up Big on a weekend.

Make $ on KU guys 'n gals = Thee only way to use the Hawks Mangino-itis for benefit of Pocketbook and Rock Chalk Jayhawk love

manginodrh00lz 10 years, 10 months ago

You already posted this bozo. You have failed yourself.

HawkNVegas 10 years, 10 months ago

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741hawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Care to predict the spread on the Texas game?

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 10 months ago

It's going to be high. Maybe 30t. But watch out for a cover by the hawks. UT isnt near as talented as the recent teams we have played and there is no possible way they can get excited to play us Those kids have already put the game in the win column and will play not to get hurt.

gardenjay 10 years, 10 months ago

With fans that leave football games and boo their team at halftime, whoever thought that would help a program. The KU fans are partly, no, more like substantially a fixture of the problem with KU football.

Mangino_Maniac 10 years, 10 months ago

Yup, the fans are the ones to blame.... rolling my eyes

gardenjay 10 years, 10 months ago

No I'm not. Look at the score, and tell me the fans had nothing to do with it. How often is it posted here how fans should not have to stick around and watch this train wreck - but that is exactly my point: the fans do not see themselves as part of the game.

True fans in the rust-belt Mangino sense are not people who sit around and want to be entertained. They work to be a true fan - it's emotional work, and includes horrible losing streaks. Fans help, and fans know you don't win football games by having passive un-involved fans. The players know they have loyalty, and work for the fans.

Why do you think B-ball recruits are invited to 'Late Night'? Because a good screaming supportive fan base is good for recruiting. KU has an involved B-ball fan base. F-ball players are the same way, they want to play games with an involved fan base.

Why should you stay and watch a football train wreck? Because, it is our team. It builds loyalty. It's family. It's sad to see people give up on each other. I am sure Gill feels the fan base wrath, and any hypothetical new coach will be constantly looking over their shoulder at US.

Sam Constance 10 years, 10 months ago

The fans had nothing to do with it.

The fans were in it and standing strong by the Jayhawks after they let KSU jump out to a 21-0 lead.

That's dedication.

But when you claw back to a 28-14 lead, then let it turn into 45-14 before some fans had even gotten back from the line in the bathroom, what can you possibly expect.

Fans are people just like the players. If players are affected by fans leaving, then fans are affected by embarrassing football. It's a two-way street.

Personally, I left at 52-14.

Kenny Terry 10 years, 10 months ago

Why would anyone want to stay and watch this train wreck? If we were competive fans might stick around but week in and week out its the same result

voiceofreason2 10 years, 10 months ago

I didn't see any mass exodus like these in the Mangino era....

Turner Gill has not only gone from mediocrity to a joke to a loser...he's is just plain embarrassing us. Why should any fan stick around in the stands to see us get destroyed on our home turf week after week?

nuleafjhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

voiceofreason2 - I'm not being argumentative, but I attended many games during the Mangino era where the fans left en masse at halftime - while we were AHEAD.

ibleedku 10 years, 10 months ago

Fans leave Allen Fieldhouse the same way.

4everblue 10 years, 10 months ago

I have to agree with you gardenjay that the fans are partly to blame for the mediocrity of the KU program the last 35 years. KU fans are ignorant when it comes to football. They sit on their hands when the visiting team is on offense and they start screaming when KU is trying to make a first down on 3rd and 4th down. They have no concept of what noise does to an 11 man squad trying to start a play from a static position. They bring their basketball "lets get loud when we need a score" to the football game. Even the cheerleaders are yelling when KU is 3rd and whatever. I call it football ignorance. On the contrary, KSU fans know when to get loud. I wasn't at the game today but listened on the radio. Even in the first half, the crowd was much louder when KU had the ball than when KSU had the ball.

And enough of the Mangino dung, he had one good year that skewed his record. He played patsies in the non-conference schedule (how many BCS schools did he play?). Otherwise he was just like everyone else that has coached here.

Jayhawk1116 10 years, 10 months ago

K-State fans were louder because have a more successful football program and they were freakin' 6-0. Fans are more excited and interactive when they have a winning product on the field. That's just how it is.

Bee Bee 10 years, 10 months ago

I think it s the product on the field/coaching.

squawkhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Fans leaving the game is a symptom of a bigger problem and sometimes this simple action speaks louder than any words. Maybe the administration will finally take notice and do the right thing.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 10 months ago

Other than a free ride..or lifetime loyalty..why would any player choose to play football at KU. Why would any coach take over this program other than initial experience or as a stepping stone. When **it hits the fan..don't look for the athletic dep't to have your back.

babyjay1 10 years, 10 months ago

I would also say "the fans are also to blame"... However, when we aren't even close to being competitive, what do you expect? I want a message sent to our AD and I DID send an email that unless a coaching change is made, my family will not buy season tip next year. It's not much of a threat, but it's my way of making a statement. How will other fans make their wishes known? I want a fun, competitive football team in Lawrence ... Just like we get in bball every year!

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 10 months ago

We lead the nation in number of appearances by opposing team's second string quarterback.

Lance Hobson 10 years, 10 months ago

Is it true that an announcer called our defense "conceientious objectors?" This defense is so embarrassing. Can we move to 1AA in football only? That would make sense for a team that is last in the nation.

Micky Baker 10 years, 10 months ago

This wasn't a two minute stretch. This was just flat out not being prepared, not being focused, no discipline and it reflects on the coaching staff.

After Kansas State's first possession when they went three and out, what did they do? They made an adjustment? What did Kansas do? The same thing they've been doing for the past 19 games. No adjustments. Have the coaches even released the entire playbook yet? Have they released the entire defense play book? I doesn't appear so. These kids aren't just learning how to play and Gill and staff are treating them like they're 6 years old and just learning how to play football. The players aren't responding to Gill, but he has no fire on the side line. He has no emotion. He has no passion.

He has no coaching ability that is worthy of getting a job at this level. I'm disappointed there isn't an ultimatum, win against Texas, then he gets another week. Play a competitive game, lose by less than two tds to Baylor, and he gets another week. Beat Iowa State, and he gets another week. Beat Missouri, and he gets another week. Keep it competitive against A&M, and he gets another week. No win next week, no job Gill. That is what I would tell him.

Kansas cannot afford to allow this to persist the rest of this season.

squawkhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Agree! As much as Gill espouses about coaching these kids up it seems that the direct opposite is happening. Gill is all show and no go. In contrast, I see a lot of articles about Snyder's approach to coaching and how he instills a winning attitude in his program and how his players have bought into it. He gets the best out of marginal kids by coaching them up to their potential and then he gets them to play as a unified team. KSU has no business being 7 - 0 but they are and it is attributed to coaching. Snyder knows what his players can do and he schemes around that and gives them the best chance for success. We can only hope that one day KU gets a coach like a Bill Snyder. Heaven knows Turner Gill is not the answer. But he is a nice guy!

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

Mangino's last year we finish last with the likes of Stuckey, Sharp, Meier, Briscoe and Reesing. So lets stop acting like we were a winning program when Gill took over. 2nd, its time for Gill to go bye bye.

LSU deff cord Bama Deff cord Oregon Off cord OU deff cord Bill Young Sumlin Chris Peterson.

If we can somehow get out of Gills contract, we need to make a hard chase at these guys.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

You completely missed the point. Can you say that we were a winning team on 09? Where did we finish? I'm not defending this team, which is why im on the fire gill wagon. When you take over a program it is not about what you did two years before, its about the year before. We were losing all of our stars, im greatful for the Big Man, but we did finish last. And that is a fact.

Lance Hobson 10 years, 10 months ago

Actually we were a win away from bowl eligibilty and would have been there if it weren't for heartbreaking losses to CU and Missouri. Maybe if Perkins didn't distract the team with all of that drama in the middle the outcome would have been different.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

does it matter if they were heartbreaking or not? Players came out and said what Mangino would say and stuff. It wasn't perkins fighting a one man battle. And we lost to CU, come on.

KSseahawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Appreciate the research, but the sad reality is that anyone would be better at this point. Anyone motivated to keep his job, at least. Give him two more losses and he's done.

Why not? Light a fire...the players are asking for it and frankly, TGill hasn't done anything. But, do we have the cash? Are we still paying Lew and Mangino?

LSHawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Gill MUST go no doubt about it. KU MUST quit thinking we are a BB school only, didnt anyone learn anything from the last year in the Big 12? Football is driving the bus and unless we upgrade our program we will lose HCBS and be playing in the MWC!!!

Jeff Hargate 10 years, 10 months ago

Talk about winning the lottery!! $2,000,000/year to suck this bad? How many other professions would allow you to keep your job after this 1.5 year train wreck? If everyone would donate thier Baylor ticket value to the Gill buyout we will be 1/2 way there (assuming 50,000 tickets).

Bee Bee 10 years, 10 months ago

I would ve been fired from my job last year if I performed like the KU, "COACHES." They are stealing cash!!!! Bring in some Drill Instructors from The Marine Corps Recruit Depot, San Diego to coach the team. DISCIPLINE would be a good place to start. And the fear of GOD instilled into these players would'nt hurt either! Bill Snyder doesnt have Alabama, OU, or USC talent. He seems to be doing pretty well.

Mike Kendall 10 years, 10 months ago

Well, I have been faithful through and through, but this loss really hurts. I just don't see Gill being the head coach next year, especially, if we lose big to Missery. A big upset this year at Arrowhead might save his job, but I just don't see it happening. As I am watching the Texas Tech/OU game, I see Mike Stoops on the sidelines. Good grief, he's available. So is Mike Leach. Something has to change. Either we start competing or let's get a new change of direction. Really---it's pretty dang frustrating.

Jackalope7 10 years, 10 months ago

I believe in giving a new coach three years to see how he improves the program...Turner may be the exception. Sick and tired of being blown out of the water every Saturday. You can blame the players all you want. But most of the time they were out of position and the play calling was pretty bad too...and that's on the coaching staff.

Dennis Mahorney 10 years, 10 months ago

You have pretty much summed up everything....Even Gill's GREAT RECRUITER tag will take a huge hit after two years of wasting at least average Big Twelve talent. Instead of his "believe" banner flying high, it should read "My teams lose alot, and how!"

tical523 10 years, 10 months ago

Nobody is mad or asking for Gill to be fired because he we are losing, it is how we are losing and the fact that our team looks like they can not even compete. But even with this said I believe we owe another year because of the contract ( dollar bills in this economy) and just to give a little more time, but if we see the same results mid season next year he should be gone. This game is so tough as I am part of a "house divided" and we were so bad my "wildcat" family did not even have to say anything. . . . pathetic. . . . tough to take.

sparty627 10 years, 10 months ago

Sure the fans left early. The rest of us in the B12 have had a name for it for years: The Jayhawk Walk.

Nothing new here.

Bee Bee 10 years, 10 months ago

I never leave early. I just refuse to go to games. I m not throwing away DIVISION 1 money on a junior college team!
I m not spending another dime until this disaster is cleaned up! PERIOD!

John Mueller 10 years, 10 months ago

hmmmm, where to begin?

Is there a single idiot out there that will continue to beg for Gill to get more time?

if there is, you are a loser and a hater of the University of Kansas.

This football team is the biggest stench in the history of a lot of stench.

Kevin Sumlin, the Stoops brother at FSU, Jim Leavitt, maybe the O-Coordinator at Texas (former O-Coordinator at Boise.

Criteria: 1. Exceptional discipline, background of winning, wreaks success 2. Able to put a staff together that can recruit Texas, Florida, California and win the 4-10 kids in Kansas and Missouri every year.

PS I would fire Gill immediately to make it clear that we made a mistake. Name Long the interim head coach for the remainder of the season. Start interviewing right now.

Have somebody in place before Christmas. KU football needs a Christmas present.

Wonder if a any candidates at Wisconsin?

Sure glad we wouldn't even interview Tommy Tuberville. That was a brilliant decision.

Can we fire BGL as well? What a joke.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

What scares me about Sumlin is without Keenum, they were a 5-7 team. Stoops at FSU, has he had a head gig yet? Ill look it up. Jim Leavitt, is that USF guy, if so NO.

chipmunk1956 10 years, 10 months ago

The longer $weet Lou is gone, the more painfully obvious it is how much he screwed us. Everything from the inflated contracts (see Gill & Hendrickson) to the hires (see Gill & Hendrickson) to the "could have been" hires (see Tuberville) to "Ticket Gate"... Yeah, he happened to ride the coat tails of a championship BB season, but he had absolutley nothing to do with that. His resume is full of boogers. What's ironic is, he now heads a hiring consulting business WFT?!?! How a guy with a resume like his can get any business is beyond me!

chipmunk1956 10 years, 10 months ago

Pardon me... should be WTF!?!?.... Just too emotionally drained this morning after yesterday's "Train Wreck." Actcually, WFT & WTF are both apropos in this instance!

Bville Hawk 10 years, 10 months ago

You're right, Chipmunk. WFT is appropriate in these circumstances...

Kyle Sybesma 10 years, 10 months ago

I'm having a hard time finding a place to start.

First of all KU football is not a destination job. I think we can all admit that. We're not going to attract Urban Meyer or Jim Tressel. We don't have the facilities. Memorial Stadium is out dated and we can't compare it to AFH. It holds no history. It seats 50K and has a track around the field. If Wichita State decided to reinstate football, Cesna stadium would not be too far behind Memorial Stadium. We should look at Minnesota's new stadium.

With that being said, what we saw yesterday shouldn't be accepted by any KU fan. That was embarrasing and gives us no faith in Gill for the future. Sure Zenger will probably give him another year with some staff changes but the pressure is on.

In my opinion the Big 12 will still get eaten up by the other conferences in about 5 or 6 years when the new contract is up. Four 16 team power conferences is the future. Everyone from BGL to Zenger to the alumni need to put the football program front and center. This needs to be a program that is appealing to other conferences otherwise mid majors joining the current conferences will leap over KU. Teams like TCU or BYU. If not for that reason let's just have a program that doesn't embarrass us.

LakeShawnee 10 years, 10 months ago

I couldn't agree with you more on Memorial Stadium. It has to go. Extremely outdated and absolutely not a hostile atmosphere whatsoever. Even in the event our fans wanted to make noise, it wouldn't matter as we're a half mile away from the field and the angle of the bleachers are so obtuse that the place refuses to hold sound. We need a new stadium, and quick.

troutsee 10 years, 10 months ago

Turner Gill is a nice man but he has failed as a head coach for KU. It is not the number of losses but the way in which we have lost games. The play of the team shows that it is ill prepared in all phases of the game. Blow out losses occur every now and then to every team but since Gill has arrived they have become common place. Three and outs are a rarity under Gill. The assumption is that when the other team gets the ball, it will score, no matter where it gets the ball. How hopeless is that? Gill is losing the fans with alarming speed. Soon he will lose the team, if he already hasn't. Clealy, he is the problem and he must go, the sooner the better.

squawkhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

What happened to the improvement that Gill keeps talking about every week? I just don't see it. At this rate of improvement we'll be in another ice age before KU wins 5 football games again.

Nancy Borst 10 years, 10 months ago

I have had to watch the Hawks on TV. That coverage includes zoom-ins to Gill on the sideline. Gill NEVER talks into his headset during games - ever. Is it because (1) he doesn't know how the technology works, or 2) he has nothing to say, or 3) he is so lost as to what's going on that he just listents to everybody else?

The only decisions I've seen him actively involved in during games is calling timeouts.

On the flip, I've also watched most of K-State's games. Snyder is constantly talking into his headset to his other coaches while still controlling all decisions. It doesn't even look as if Gill is conscious have the time, much less calling any shots on the sidelines.

He's in over his head. He's a nice guy but he just doesn't know what's going on.

babyjay1 10 years, 10 months ago

I've been at the games with a pretty good view of the sidelines and that has been my biggest frustration over time. I NEVER see Gill change expressions or even look like he's coaching. He mostly looks bored... Really?? I cannot stand watching his lack of emotion and apparent inability to coach his players during the game... Ugghhh....

txjhawk77 10 years, 10 months ago

No inspiration by the coach translates to uninspired play by the team. Any truth to the rumor that gill is secretly getting advice from keegan?

squawkhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

OK, so what I want to know is this:

What happened to our high potent offense on Saturday? What happened to all of the speed that Gill keeps talking about? What happened to the physical advantage people said we had over KSU? What happened to our strong running game that was going to blow KSU away? What happened to KU "taking care of business"as Gill once quoted about beating KSU?

About the only thing that was obvious was that our defense showed up "as usual" and our fans left after half time.

So, what happened?

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 9 months ago

KSU fan or a condom? Pretty even as long as the condom is still in the wrapper. But, squawk asks questions that need to be answered.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 10 months ago

I'm throwing this out there for discussion..I believe KU currently has the worst overall athletic dep't in the Big Whatever. Maybe Iowa State..but w/their wrestling program, I give them a slight edge.

wildcatfanindallas 10 years, 10 months ago

It wasn't those two minutes. Your fate was sealed when Snyder came back to K-State. Even if K-State is the worst team in the nation, he will make sure we pluck your tail feathers when we play KU.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 9 months ago

Snyder deserves all the credit he else can you turn a program around in a single year?

Layne Pierce 10 years, 10 months ago


I believe Turner could succeed, but I am beginning to believe that he has lost the team. There is a sense of slow improvement, but that is not what we are seeing. We are seeing mistakes made repeatedly, that either should be cleaned up, or other players given a chance. Outside of the offensive line and the running backs, nobody is performing adequatey, not great, just adequately. Bill Snyder demonstrates, that if you play the game fundamentally to win, you will win. Forget the formations, and scoring a hundred points, all the facets of the game have to be predicated on doing the right things at the right time. That little spurt where we went from just getting clobbered to getting slaughtered does not say good things about the character of this team, and character comes from the coaches. If we were winless now, but truly competitive, everyone would be saying, what a job there doing, the fact is we are not a division 1 football team. We have some offensive talent, but we are not using that talent to win. We need to fight for every minute of possession. That is what the coaches and the offense need to do for the defense. And the defense needs to get in position and give it up. If somebody makes a great play and goes 90 yards, ok, but not this run around and miss tackle crap. Defensive tackles, get low, and at least neutralize somebody.

Firing Turner Gill may be necessary, but if you think we will get a big name coach, forget it. On paper it will look like two years and a fired coach, no real committment.

We will be able to get a great offensive/defensive coordinator, and we better pick the right one, or get ready for 20 years of mediocrity.

kranny 10 years, 10 months ago

Hard to know what to think. Would another coach be able to take the current players and do any better? What can be learned from Snyder? He had the same amount of talent as KU when he returned, got to a bowl game second year back, and now sitting at 7-0 this year-in 3 short years. You can't tell me he started off 3 years ago with any better talent. He lost only Josh Freeman, inherited the same players that couldn't win under Prince and now they're winning. Apples and Oranges, maybe, but can't deny the success. I was willing to give Gill credit enough to give him 3 years but I don't see much improvement next year with the same staff. At the very least, we need a D coordinator, some bada$$ d linemen, and 3 very good and fast linebackers. Our offense would probably be a lot better if they didn't have to play catch up. One thing that bothers me about Gill is that whenever you see a sideline shot of him he is never talking to players, he never seems fired up, he never chews a$$, he looks like Callahan when he was at Nebraska. I'm not saying you have to be a Bobby Knight but show some emotion, get in your players' face and get them fired up, for crying out loud. Freakin' do something.

Dan Harris 10 years, 10 months ago

Fire Gill-Hire Leach Fire Gill-Hire Leach Fire Gill-Hire Leach Fire Gill Hire Leach Fire Gill-Hire Leach Oh by the way I think we should fire Gill and hire Leach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

squawkhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Hire Leach? Are you kidding. Leach wouldn't even consider coming to KU. Why would he? He'll have a lot of better options to go to schools that actually care about and support football. He'll end up at a bigger name school with a real chance to "win championships".

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