Saturday, October 1, 2011


Coach, team make it tough to ‘believe’

Kansas head coach Turner Gill has words for the officiating crew after a play in which tight end Tim Biere dropped a pass that was recovered for a KU touchdown during the first quarter on Saturday, Oct. 1, 2011 at Kivisto Field.

Kansas head coach Turner Gill has words for the officiating crew after a play in which tight end Tim Biere dropped a pass that was recovered for a KU touchdown during the first quarter on Saturday, Oct. 1, 2011 at Kivisto Field.


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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

KU coach Turner Gill

Kansas coach Turner Gill talks to reporters following his team's 45-34 loss to Texas Tech on Oct. 1, 2011, at Memorial Stadium.

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From the outside, it’s growing more difficult to believe in the one-word motto preferred by Kansas University football coach Turner Gill: Believe.

The numbers on the scoreboard when time expired Saturday afternoon in Memorial Stadium — Texas Tech 45, Kansas 34 — didn’t look so ugly. The problem: No matter what the numbers said at any point, it was difficult to believe Kansas was going to win the football game. If you can’t talk yourself into believing Kansas will win when it leads by three touchdowns (and two extra points) in the first quarter, when can you believe?

A few technological advances from now, when the click of a button enables us to read minds, we’ll easily determine whether a fan base truly believes in its team. Too bad that technology wasn’t there yet because it would have been interesting to read the minds of those wearing blue Saturday when quarterback Jordan Webb and a wide array of talented young running backs gave Kansas a 20-0 lead with 3:39 left in the first quarter.

At that time, if you had to make a straight-up bet as to the game’s winner, which way would you have gone? I tried to talk myself into believing at that moment Kansas would win the game, but I couldn’t. The Red Raiders had too much firepower in the form of quarterback Seth Doege (passed for 336 yards and three touchdowns) and running back Eric Stephens (rushed for 124 yards and two touchdowns), too much strength blocking for them, too much time to believe anything but that they would catch the Jayhawks and pass them.

But did it have to happen so quickly? From the time Kansas took a 20-0 lead to the time it trailed 21-20, just 7:51 of game clock elapsed. The easy answer lies with blaming Webb for throwing a pair of interceptions that led to scores. The easy answer’s not always the fair one. Webb hadn’t thrown a pick all year until throwing three Saturday and one of them hit the hands of Kansas receiver Chris Omigie first.

Truth is the offense, though guilty of fits of sloppiness in this one, is ahead of schedule. The effective running game has enabled offensive coordinator Chuck Long to put Webb into good spots to taste success, drawing the defense up to stop the run and pulling it even closer with play-action fakes.

It’s the defense and less-than-stellar special teams (fumbled fair catch and a blocked extra point) that don’t inspire any confidence this is a football team that can escape the Big 12 cellar. The air in the George Mrkonic Auditorium, site of the post-game interviews, doesn’t hint at more inspirational days ahead, either.

Very often, during post-game media sessions, athletes tend to reveal their coach’s message delivered in the locker room after losses and the way they do it is by stealing his words to explain what happened. Several of the players, when asked about why the team has performed so poorly in its past two third quarters, talked about “poor execution,” Gill’s fall-back quote. It doesn’t really say anything. The only coach ever to use the word execution in a quote in a meaningful way was John McKay in the early days of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. When asked, after a particularly unsightly loss, what he thought of his team’s execution, McKay said, “I think it’s a good idea. I’m all for it.”

Obviously, he didn’t mean it, but he did get his point across. In most walks of life, especially when dealing with youth, nurturing confidence is the best path to creating fertile soil for growth. But football’s not like most things. It’s brutal. It’s war without weapons. Particularly on defense, it’s best played by men dragged out of their comfort zones and into a state of rage, men bent on seeking and destroying. I’d like to believe that’s happening in practice, but it’s difficult not to be a doubting Thomas on that front.

Don’t look at the schedule to cultivate belief. It calls for a Saturday visit to Stillwater to face No. 5 Oklahoma State. The following Saturday it will be interesting to see how much red fills Memorial Stadium when the second-ranked Oklahoma Sooners visit.

For Kansas football, the great thing about the apparent Big 12 stability is that the coaches can continue to sell playing in the Big 12 to recruits. The tough thing for the coaches about staying in the conference is they have to prepare for a Big 12 team every week.


Michael Maris 10 years, 10 months ago

If Turner is fired, it will take more than $2,000,000.00 a season to hire a coach to the caliber that Ahperse, You and I desire.

Otherwise, KU will be hiring more coaches like Terry Allen.

Turner has turned the Offense around (with the assistance of Coach Long) with getting running backs that can run the ball.

But, Vic Shealy and other Defensive coaches are NOT Bill Young'esq coaches.

And Bill is back at his Alma Mater (Oklahoma State).

Ashwin Rao 10 years, 10 months ago

I have seen my comments removed too in the past, for no reason at all... Either there is a defect in this software that kusports is using, or someone just mistakenly hit the "delete" button, or someone likes to do this once in a while for excitement when the football team plays badly...

Michael Maris 10 years, 10 months ago

If Turner is fired, it will take more than $2,000,000.00 a season to hire a coach to the caliber that Ahperse, You and I desire.

Otherwise, KU will be hiring more coaches like Terry Allen.

Turner has turned the Offense around (with the assistance of Coach Long) with getting running backs that can run the ball.

But, Vic Shealy and other Defensive coaches are NOT Bill Young'esq coaches.

And Bill is back at his Alma Mater (Oklahoma State).

Jayhawk1116 10 years, 10 months ago

Even Bill Young (All Knowing God of Defense - sarcasm! - What is OK State known for? It ain't their defense) would struggle with our anemic defensive line.

hawksfan08 10 years, 10 months ago

You give the guy his shot. I didn't support the hire, I don't think he's a good coach but he deserves the shot. He deserves to get a player he recruited playing as a senior. Hopefully I'm proven wrong and he's a great coach. Shealy on the other hand should be fired as soon as possible. He keeps talking about keeping the play calls simple on D and limiting packages because the players are new. Well we saw the result of him using additional packages today. The result was we had a lead going into half time despite losing the turnover battle. But our players lacked conditioning and that showed in the second half. Shealy should be held responsible for that.

hawksfan08 10 years, 10 months ago

College sports is about the only profession. And if you knew anything about college sports you'd know it's common to give a coach 4 to 5 years to get results. Even the great houston nutt coaching in the great sec is in year 4 getting terrible results at ole miss. Know something before posting.

KWufan 10 years, 10 months ago

Manginorh00lz, what the heck did the great Mark Mangino do in his first 2 yrs coaching the Terry Allen squad he inherited before getting his own players in there as seniors? UMM, he lost, just as bad as TG is now. Chill out, learn some patience.

Stephen Johnson 10 years, 10 months ago

I don't know if he deserves 5 years, but we should begin to see progress. If the defense doesn't improve next year, Gill needs to be evaluated. He will need to fire Vic S., if things don't improve next year.

johnnyhrdwd 10 years, 10 months ago

How many times in the last 100 years has anybody believed in KU football? This writer makes it sound like KU is a perennial powerhouse in college football and Gill ruined it. We will thank Gill one day for taking the job. I know, we probably could have hired Urban Meyer or Nick Saban with our football pedigree.

Dan Pawlowski 10 years, 10 months ago

Every time there is a new coach its a new beginning and a time to start believing again. If you don't feel that way than how you can you root for anything in your life.

Layne Pierce 10 years, 10 months ago

What I see in the midst of puke is that our offense is really beginning to jell, both in talent and performance. Our defense is actually better than last year, but without real defensive linemen and 5 or 6 of them, this team will not get it done. We would be well off to recruit nothing but defensive tackles until we find 3 or 4 who can play at this level. If we do, the rest of the defense might really surprise you.

hawk316 10 years, 10 months ago

In the middle of all the negativity (surprise, surprise), nebhawk77 provides some good analysis (thank you!). With a very difficult schedule and a very young team, we all knew going into the season that the losses were going to pile up. In spite of an obvious upgrade in talent, there still are areas of weakness. However, like last year, I expect that we will show steady improvement through the course of the season. This coaching staff, which has already shown the ability to recruit talented kids, will continue to do so, and KU football will continue to get better.

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 10 months ago

I believe HCTG is not the answer.

5-11 as the Head Coach at KU. 1-9 against the Big XII...1-1 against FBS II schools. 4-3 non-conference.

Not good numbers at all...I hate to think that we will be 1-17 against the Big XII by the end of the season.

To think we could have had TT as a least we could look at Jim Tressel this time around.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

Tommy gets the fourth best team in the conf, gill gets the last ranked. We lose by 11, tommy team is undisciplined and almost gave away the game. If tommy was our coach, last year we would have been 3-9 and 2-2 at this point.

squawkhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

For $2 million bucks a year we could have had just about any other top coach in the country but settled for an unproven DII coach. And we wonder why this team is losing?

Jayhawk1116 10 years, 10 months ago

Pay heed to these words: "Work in Progress". Instant gratification is a harsh and elusive mistress. Want instant gratification? Buy the Shake Weight...

Jayhawk1116 10 years, 10 months ago

Gill's pimpin' sunglasses do have to go, though.

Jayhawk1116 10 years, 10 months ago

Totally agree! I need to know who I'm yelling at!

George Bures 10 years, 10 months ago

Wouldn't a TRUE Jayhawk fan say I need to know who I'm CHEERING for??

Susan Mangan 10 years, 10 months ago

Only if they're delusional right now. Being a "true" fan doesn't mean that you have to blindly and unquestioningly follow the leader to the grave. A true fan knows when to cheer, when to yell, when to question, and when to throw their hands up in frustration...all while still hoping for the best, but preparing for reality. Being a realist doesn't make you less of a fan. It just makes you look a little less insane. JMHO.

johnnyhrdwd 10 years, 10 months ago

Would like to see the names, makes players directly accountable.

JayhawkPiller82 10 years, 10 months ago

If the Athletic Department knew how many sarcastic phone calls, email, texts, & tweets Alumni received about those horrible uniforms they would think twice about such a wordrobe malfunciton again!!!! I'm tired of being asked who MY team is trying to impersonate..... Put back the crimson stripe on the Blue helmets, use the crimson (red if your colorblind) jerseys more than once a year, and never ever wear white helmets again. I'm still horrified of the helmets worn last year at Arrowhead stadium vs Mizzery. Damn, this is KANSAS. Crimson and the Blue. Forget WHITE anything forever, again forever...!!! Rock Chalk, And I'll even throw in an Amen, because that notion doesn't have a prayer!!

Don Everett 10 years, 10 months ago

Of course you think it is because you're an idiot.

KU_Alumn_2000 10 years, 10 months ago

Without getting some D-linemen in here quickly...this program goes no where.

Why in the heck are we not recruiting D-linemen like crazy...both last year and this recruiting season !!!

Get some big nasties in here that can pressure an offense....and this program takes off. If Coach Gill doesn't do this....he's gonna find himself in the hot seat in the near future.

Looking for a defensive coordinator may be a good idea as well.

Don't get me wrong...I'm rooting for Coach Gill....but he needs to place some urgency on getting the D-linemen in here that this program needs !

johnnyhrdwd 10 years, 10 months ago

There's a nation wide shortage of D lineman, he needs to hit the juco's for Dline. What was Mangino's record his first 4 years? Cause he lost 7 straight on his way out. Kstate fans wanted to fire their D coordinator last year, how do they feel about him this year?

lama 10 years, 10 months ago

Best post I've read. Everyone is frustrated, but firing a coach in year 2 is probably not the answer (the defensive staff is another issue entirely). He has to get some talent up front on defense. If he does, this team could compete next year.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 10 months ago

They'll compete next year because (3) freshmen DT's are producing right away? Most 3 DT's are taking a redshirt, and still not producing as RSF. Eve 4* DT's will be lucky to produce as true F.

Yes, we need DT's, but it will take another couple years for it to make a difference.

texashawk10 10 years, 10 months ago

Why does the logic you use to defend Gill not apply to the defensive coaching staff? The first building blocks in building a program is to have some consistency in the coaching staff. KU has had 4 DC's in the last 5 years and changed their base defense each of the last 4 years. Consistency with the defensive coaching staff and schemes will go a long ways to making the defense respectable.

randydaytona 10 years, 10 months ago

I agree names on jerseys and the correct colors would be the minimum!

Jayhawk1116 10 years, 10 months ago

Whatever happened to the Red jerseys? I loved those! I'll take those over baby blue any day!

Robert Brock 10 years, 10 months ago

KU wore the red jerseys when Texas Tech last played in Lawrence. The Red Raiders scored on seven straight possessions to prevail with ease.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 10 years, 10 months ago

Oklahoma wears red jerseys, actually, their official colors are crimson and cream. But then, they have a successful program and wear their names on their jerseys. I knew when this coach pulled this "no name" stunt, that he was bankrupt with ideas of what to do with the Kansas football program.

But in a larger sense, there is something sriously systematically wrong with the yearly losing KU football program. I b elieve that it runs deeper than any coach or player. Obviously this coach cannot or will not do the things necessary to win. No names on the jerseys, when most all other teams do this? That is simply a red herring from a clueless coaching staff. Penn State also does this, but it has been that way from the start, Penn State has always presented a "vanilla" approach to football appearances, plain jerseys, no logo on their helments, no hint of any sort of identity with who they actually are. But Penn State has a successful program and has had it for years. KU has had a yearly losing program and I firmly think that this is embedded in the psyche of the athletic program that favors and flaunts the basketball team.

JayhawkPiller82 10 years, 10 months ago

Uniform corrections: Put back the crimson stripe on the Blue helmets, use the crimson (red if your colorblind) jerseys more than once a year, and never ever wear white helmets again. I'm still horrified of the helmets worn last year at Arrowhead stadium vs Mizzery. Damn, this is kansas. Crimson and the Blue. Forget WHITE anything forever, again forever...!!!

I know we were paying tribute to the '61 team, but Please stay with what Alumni & Jayhawks fans know.... Crimson and Blue (JAYHAWK- KANSAS BLUE not Carolina blue EVER.)....Rock Chalk.

kuilander 10 years, 10 months ago

do you think they AREN'T trying to recruit d-tackles?? that position might be the toughest spot to recruit kids out of high school.. there are so few, that the highly coveted d-lineman coming out of high school simply do not go to schools like kansas.

KU_Alumn_2000 10 years, 10 months ago

Really ??? Because Missouri's d-line is stacked !

You're telling me that we can have all that success in recruiting boat loads of O-linemen last recruiting class...but not a dang thing coming in on the defensive side of the ball.

You might be correct...but I find it hard to believe.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 10 months ago

We got several DE's this year and last. We just missed on DT's - a lot like the end of the last regime.

You might also have noticed there hasn't been a lot of coaching change in the zoo, and how many of their stacked DL are DT's (vs. DE's) or freshmen (true of RS)?

Bville Hawk 10 years, 10 months ago

It's hard to beat a good team when you are -3 in turnovers. TT didn't beat us as much as we beat ourselves by letting them get back in the game with turnovers on 3 straight 1st half possessions. I felt the defense made some strides as well. By my recollection TT punted 4 times and we held them to a FG after DJ fumbled the punt on our 30 yd line. I think if turnovers are even in this game that we win.

KU_Alumn_2000 10 years, 10 months ago

bvill_hawk - every single QB we play...they get 6, 7, 8, and sometimes 9 seconds to find a receiver on every dang play.

We could have a pro set of corners and safetys and still suck because receivers eventually get open with that much time.

OKHawkFan 10 years, 10 months ago

Fairest comment I've read. Turnovers beat us today plain and simple! Still doesn't feel any better though :-( Gill needs 4 years IMHO. If his teams are playing like this in year 4 then we need to cut him loose. We are KU people not the elite programs it will take time to build. Gills contract might be a little too generous but it sounds to me that some fans here want a contract to say win by year 2 or your fired. I understand the frustration and expectations of all fans here but come on this team is better this year unfortunately it appears that so is the rest of the big XII. We probably won't win another one this year. Our biggest problem is defensive line we just can't pressure the QB.

dylanj66 10 years, 10 months ago

Ya the names on the back of the uniforms is gonna make us a winning team. I have always been told its more about the Jimmy's and Joe's than x's and o's. Coach Gill has not even been here two years and some of you are ready to let him go. Why don't some of you get out of your recliners and head to the practice field Monday and help coach out. Mangino had a couple of winning season and all the sudden we are Notre Dame.

dylanj66 10 years, 10 months ago

Ya I bet that's exactly why he did it. Worry about what really matters. If you have a complaint about the teams play fine, but something as simple as the name on the back of the jersey is a joke!!!

lv_jhwk 10 years, 10 months ago

Gill simply chose the wrong word. "Believe" is defined as "to accept something as true, genuine, or real." Well, if we're expected to do just that given what we see on the field, or at least do so in a positive manner, I will admit to giving him too much credit.

"Faith", on the other hand, is defined as "the ability to trust without proof". (My religious-minded friends would be howling with laughter if they knew I was writing that.) This idea probably better applies to what we see on the field, as long as you are able and willing to look less at outcomes and more at comparisons. After all, what I see is a team that is just what so many of us predicted...a team that will likely have the same record as a year ago yet be a better team. Given similar improvements over the next year or two, although on a different side of the ball, then a successful, winning program is possible and somewhat probable.

So, all that said: how many of you naysayers would have called for your own Jesus Christ to be replaced? After all, it supposedly took nearly thirty years for him to start performing miracles!

Or good god, what about Moses? It took him forty years to lead his people out of a desert that is only a few hundred miles across!

jayhawk2062 10 years, 10 months ago

MIKE LEACH at Kansas!!!! Let's all pitch in $25 each, get a petition together and help pay the buyout! If fans can come up with half of the buyout ($3 million) I'm sur e the department or some big time donors could come up with the rest.

If each fan gave on average of $25 it would take roughly 120,000 fans to get to the $3 million.

Then give leach the $2.5 million he deserves and didn't get at Tech and let the high powered offense and bowl games start coming. Seems pretty clear to me.

Dennis Mahorney 10 years, 10 months ago

Just removing the closets and having to tighten the lightbulbs makes him cost prohibitive.

Jayhawk1116 10 years, 10 months ago

It would take him 3-4 years to get his players to run his offense. Are you willing to wait that long? You can't even wait 2 seasons!

texashawk10 10 years, 10 months ago

How'd Tech's defenses look under Leach? Oh that's right, he believes in the same defensive philosophy that KU already practices.

Funhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

This is Kansas football. I don't like these numbers, but I still love KU football and get into every game. Here are the season's won-loss records of the first two years of each recent KU coach pre-Turner. Unfortunately, I do not recall the LJW and so many fans wanting to lynch the KU coach this soon. I like Turner and I believe he will turn it around when he gets more of his players.

Conference records of KU coaches his first two years:

Mark Mangino. 2002 – 0-8. 2003 – 3-5. Terry Allen. 1997 – 3-5. 1998 – 1-7. Glen Mason. 1988 – 1-6. 1989 – 2-5. Bob Valesente. 1984 – 0-7. 1985 – 0-7. Mike Gottfried. 1983 – 2-5. 1984 – 4-3. Don Fambrough.1979 – 2-5. 1980 – 3-3-1. Bud Moore. 1975- 4-3. 1976 – 2-5.

gorilla10 10 years, 10 months ago

Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about...

OCJHAWK 10 years, 10 months ago

So we should all just shut up and wnd wait for BB season?

Wrong, all we have to do is look to the Purple and see what a real coach can do for a program, and it's no fluke as we have seen it happen twice. They do not have close to KU's facilities money, and talent, so do not bring that into the conversation.

KU fans can believe in the fast recruits we are bringing in , and I really think we have upgraded our offense to a serviceable or even quality level unit. But is the overall game calling and responses from TG really what breeds respect and optimisim? No, after getting our rears handed to us by GT he went back to talking about what a wonderfull coaching staff he has just like last year.

To say we do not have a tradition is a cop out if we truly believe this then why pay 2 big for a coach? I am watching a Wisconsin team with less of a tradition than KU put the wood to the Corn. It can be done at KU and with the resources put into the program should be expected instead of just thinking how we can eventually be average.

Jayhawk1116 10 years, 10 months ago

Gill has improved the offense this season, agreed? Don't you think he has his mind on recruiting bada$$es for defense for next season? These guys do have brains, and know their jobs better than we do. It's a Process!!!!!!!!!

OCJHAWK 10 years, 10 months ago

Of the 11 or so scolorships KU has to give out this year we have 7 offense commits and ONE defense commit. He is a DE from DC that I give a 50/50 chance of coming if he is the real deal and VT makes a run at him. Even if we expand our pool at this time there are late bloomers/roster fillers left except the very highly recruited players who typically look only to traditional powers. Again I root hard for KU always but hope is not a plan and I see nothing of a plan or a solid organization with the current staff.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 10 months ago

Hawk90 - It's 4 - 4 if Keaton is the DB he is listed as elsewhere instead of as the RB Rivals lists him.

OCJ - There are still several quality DT's on the board being recruited, so the game definitely is no over yet.

minnhawk84 10 years, 10 months ago

Wisconsin has less tradition than KU? In football? You must have been pretty drunk at 10:02 last night. Camp Randall is so full of fan support and tradition, it is hard to imagine another fan base that gets so into backing their team. Long-term.

BTW, "On Wisconsin" is the most-used college fight song in high schools across the nation.

Welcome to the BG1, Huskers. Too bad Ohio State is struggling, or you would go 0-2 in your first two games next weekend.

Funhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Bill Snyder's won-loss conference record his first two years at K-State:

1989 - 0-7. 1990 - 2-5.

Gary Pinkel's won-loss conference record his first two years at Mizzou:

2001 - 3-5. 2002 - 2-6.

Obviously, K-State and Missouri stuck with their two losing coaches, having patience, and they turned around their programs given the time to do a better job recruiting than their predecessors.

OCJHAWK 10 years, 10 months ago

Being an eye test person, fun what type of scores were put up against those caches in their first two years stat man?

Funhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

I will tell you this, the old Big 8 was easier to compete in for football than the current Big XII. Adding the Texas schools into our conference made our lives even harder. Baylor used to be the doormat, but the Big XII is brutal. I miss the old Big 8 because it was easier to "compete" in for football, yet look at the records. Even KU's Big 8 records were sad. And, believe me, I recall many many football games going way back in which we have been blown out. I still love my Hawks and I believe in Turner. Getting rid of a coach in just two years is suicide for a football program. We would never recover for being that impatient. The better recruits would not come here. They want coaching stability, like what K-State and MU had with Snyder and Pinkel.

OCJHAWK 10 years, 10 months ago

Being an eye test person, fun what type of scores were put up against those coaches in their first two years, stat man?

Dirk Medema 10 years, 10 months ago

What sort of straits is a 7 game lossing streak coupled with player and support staff mutiny? And no, I'm not just talking about the last month or 2. Check out the number that left without making it 4 or 5 years (players & coaches).

squawkhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

KSU was pond scum when Snyder took over. Worst team in D1 football No comparison to KU's situation today. No excuse for TG.

oldvet 10 years, 10 months ago

Take a look at the schedule remaining, looking at who we play in Lawrence and who we play on the road, and tell me how many conference wins we will have at the end... I don't see any that are sure things, only two in my wildest dreams.

Gill's best shot is to hope the Big-12 doesn't add another team for 2012 and then, with only 8 conference games, he might be able to schedule 4 chump teams to come into Lawrence and take a loss. That will double his win count over 2011.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 10 years, 10 months ago

These numbers validate my theory that there is something very, very wrong with the mentality and psyche of football at KU. Mark Mangino, for instance was highly successful at OU, he was offensive coach the year they won the national champlionship (2000). He comes to KU and the same old worn and ragged performance ensues. I do not think it is the coach. I do not think that the basic mentality at KU is into football. Past teams have shown occasional sparks of life, like the year Bud Moore went to Norman, beat OU, the only loss the Sooners had that year they were national champions. But these are few and far between. But this newspaper regularly demonstrates the devotion to the basketball team, every time some hot high school basketball star breaths "KU" they run front page articles about the university's new recruit for the NBA coming to KU to play a few years and then move on.

It is not hard to figure out. If you want a good football probram, it is time for the entire athletic department to get into creating an atmosphere of winning, and since this new AD has arrived, I have not seen any of this.

billboy89 10 years, 10 months ago

This is not a valid comparison, and anyone that has followed KU over the years knows why. Each of those previous coaches took over teams with 0 talent. You can't say there was no talent on the roster when coach Gill took over. His team last year should have been better than it was.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 10 months ago

Your inherited talent comment is probably based on recruiting rankings without noticing all the defections. There is a good reason why 65 players are freshmen or sophomores, or something ridiculously close to that. It is a very young team, which means that Gill barely inherited bodies much less recruits, and last year the team was racked by injury on top of it.

Stephen Johnson 10 years, 10 months ago

They lost 7 in a row prior to Gill coming in!!! Do you think that was a fluke? We were on a down hill slide in the program and were losing 3 great linebackers. Anyone who thinks the defense was going to be good was fooling themselves.

flyingfinn 10 years, 10 months ago

EXACTLY and does any one think that Gill will have 3 conference wins this year and does any one believe we will be going to the Orange bowl with this coach and does any one really believe a team that is giving up an average of over 40 points on defense is really improving. Gill is the worst thing that this program has ever endured.

Andrew Washington 10 years, 10 months ago

I agree, we should try our best to get mike leach, but do you think he would accept?

Jayhawk1116 10 years, 10 months ago

Do you think he turned Texas Tech around in one or two years??????? C'mon guys!!!

jhawkjunkie 10 years, 10 months ago

Last year the excuse was 'New coach, new system, need time to adjust." This year the excuse is, all be it a legitimate one, "New D-cordinator, new system, no depth, need one more year to adjust. I think HCTG's job after the next year will depend on 4 games:the games against K-State and Missouri the next 2 years. If HCTG goes 0-fer against those 2 teams and the team is still struggling, I think KU will decide it's much easier to swallow the remaining 2 years of the contract and part ways. If somehow he is 2-1 or at least 1-2 against our rivals, he will see his fourth year. Terry Allen was HORRIBLE, but at least he was 3-2 against Missouri.

BarkingHawk 10 years, 10 months ago

The Problem:

With a superlative set of running backs, a credible run-blocking offensive line and a 20 point lead in the first quarter, what does a coaching staff do to maximize their opportunity to have their team in a game in the 4th quarter against a more talented opponent?

That's all we ask with a new regime at this point. Instead, today, we put the game in the hands of a still inexperienced QB and barely capable WRs. It's called game management and we simply forfeited any chance at winning today because of the failure to simply go to our one demonstrable strength time and again, run the clock, run the clock, run the clock, avoid turnovers, avoid giving short fields, protect our defense, punt them deep, etc., etc., etc.

This is the most gifted set of running backs I have ever seen at KU in over 50 years of watching this program and the failure to force Tech to have to spend the day trying to tackle them was as blatant a case of coaching malpractice as I have seen in that time. It was and will continue to be our best chance to stay in games, much less win any of them, and we simply got away from it when there was absolutely no reason to do so.

In taking the approach we did, we exposed our weakness - generously, a terrible defense - to more plays, more minutes and more scoring opportunities than was ever necessary. And my group was saying and predicting this when we had the lead, not just after we blew it.

I have no faith in this staff's ability to adjust to the game they are in and, until this program and this AD decides to recognize what is happening here, they will not get the benefit of another dollar from this longtime season ticket holder. That's four tickets, Sheahon.

To make things worse yet, after watching this, I had to go home and watch The Master, once again, give his team the best chance that he, as a coach, could possibly give them in order to beat a more talented, more athletic opponent. For the second straight week. KSU 36, Baylor 35.

It's only Gill Year II, and I believe in letting a program build, but Jayhawks, Sheahon, had enough? I guarantee you, I have.

FreddyinLA 10 years, 10 months ago

I nominate BarkingHawk for head coach.

Someone send Gill the tapes of Parcells winning a super bowl with the G-men having nothing more than a attitude of toughness, a plan for making games as short as possible by running the ball, and understanding the power of field position.

I too have given this institution of high learning a big no confidence vote with the only tool I possess, $$$.

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 10 months ago

I will continue to BELIEVE in Coach Gill. I BELIEVE in the Offense. However, I don't BELIEVE in the Defense right now. Two DC's and two 'systems' in two years doesn't help. We know the problem; Coach Gill please solve it!

FlintHawk 10 years, 10 months ago

"ahpersecoachingexperience (anonymous) says… best article I have seen on this site...ever!"

+1,000,000. TG is probably a good man, with strong ethical values, etc etc etc But he is not the football coach KU needs. Kumbaya isn't compatible with the sport. In football, nice guys DO finish last. Many of the "improvements" have been superficial and meaningless (names on unies); some have been superficial and damaging (Twitter).

I wish he weren't our coach. But he is. And I agree that the cost of a contract buyout seems beyond us now. On the other hand, TG isn't going to change. If ever there was a greater need for us to demonstrate excellence in football, it's now; realignment is not going away.

It's a conundrum, and I wish I knew someone who has a solution. Two more years for TG isn't a solution. Contract buyout seems impossible. And, finally, would any coach worth his stones consider KU now? Bleak.House.

Jayhawk1116 10 years, 10 months ago

Solution: Time! I know it's old-fashioned, but realistic. In a couple of years you'll be praising Gill. We'll have to wait and see.

Paul Rupp 10 years, 10 months ago

Funhawk wins this string.

Nice job on the history/stats.

OCJHAWK 10 years, 10 months ago

Another "fan" that doesn't believe KU can be a Football winner. Even after the pending threat of realignment that anyone with realistic vision can see can destroy even our BB program says happy happy Joy Joy.

Just believe and hope in the new guy that has proven nothing but how to spin being a loser.

hammerhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

I say fire the coach NOW. Do it, please, before the Jayhawks get killed by the two teams that we all hate. Remember, this coach was brought in by the crook AD that we had. He was desperate at the time. We got a loser with gill and his no-name jerseys. Get rid of him NOW!!

Jayhawk1116 10 years, 10 months ago

That "crook AD" gave us a National Championship in basketball and an Orange Bowl victory. That's not good enough? Patience, man, patience.

Larry 10 years, 10 months ago

I believe Bohl hired a pretty good track coach as well.

kanshawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Last year was a rebuilding year even if Mangino stayed. Look at our roster and how young the team is. it's unfair to expect this team to be competitive in the conference, especially now that we play all of the big 12 south, don't have CU, ISU and Baylor are looking better than in the past. Next year and even more so the following year will be the years that will show the kind of success the program can have under Gill. Think about it, the team wont even consist of all players Gill recruited until his 4th season.

BarkingHawk 10 years, 10 months ago

lonestar_jayhawk -

I'm glad you believe in the Offense. I only wish our coaching staff did. We could have won with it today, but decided to get away from the best thing it does and which, again, protects our weakness from being as exposed as it was - and has been all season.

This is Football 101 and it doesn't take a genius to see it. Alas, we don't have any of those either. On the other hand, if you want to see one, look west about 75 miles. There's an old man sitting in his office right now who is already breaking down his next opponent in a way this entire staff can't even imagine.

SCJayhawker 10 years, 10 months ago

I believe. I believe we will not win another game if our current D-Coord. is allowed to remain on the job. He does not have the skills required to run a D-1 defensive unit. While our O is scoring points and making strides over last years unit, our D continues to fail. I believe we are doomed. When does basketball season start?

buckleyhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Funhawk would win, except he is statistically backing up TG's two bad years with other KU coaches with two bad years. I mean, Terry Allen. Really? Does anyone on this board remember Terry...Allen???

danmoore 10 years, 10 months ago

Give Gill a chance to see what he can do with his own players. Firing him now, or after only two seasons would set this program back so far no coach will be able to resurrect it.

Omari Miller 10 years, 10 months ago

So, I don't get it? Why is this news? Look at the first two season of every coach at KU (including its most successful in modern years), and you'll see futility... especially in conference play. Why is everyone so shocked and outraged? Truth is, we have some young studs in the offensive backfield. Need to put a defense together that can slow high octane offenses down, at least... and we're contenders.

Dillon Davis 10 years, 10 months ago

I agree, that's why next year needs to be Gill's last chance. At the point he will have his players in the system, his schemes, expectations, etc. If we get a good enough team on the field then all that's left is the coaching. If he can't start making in-game adjustments and half-time adjustments then he needs to go. The fact that he isn't doing that now is alarming though. I just think 3 years is enough for us to see improvement.

midhawktx 10 years, 10 months ago

Don't give me this BS that every first 2 years is this stat. Feel the game; this team is not even close to being as disciplined or in shape as other Big 12 teams. It is a flat joke that after halftime, our defense was winded. It was a flat joke to be up 20 and lose to a bad TTU team.

I was sceptical of Gill in the beginning and his teams have not improved. This is a four quarter game and all games are won in the 4th quarter. We can't even play 2 quarters. It is a joke; and with all the money we have spent on the facilities, we should have a better team. Mangino set us up for the furture, the boosters did the rest.

If any homer idiot fan thinks Gill is a good coach, I would ask you to watch the guy 90 miles West of Lawrence today. A much better coached team, in a worse location and uglier campus with worse utilities than KU. That team (I don't care if they won or lost) was much better "coached than ours today. Keegan has it right. I do not believe in this team. I will cringe and watch this team for the rest of the year and hope for a way out.

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 10 months ago

My favorite quote last week was when TG said he didn't know if the players were going to watch TT play and mentioned they could do whatever they wanted because it was their bye week. maybe getting the team together to watch TT play could of helped. Maybe an assistant coach going on a 3 day vacation to attend the prestigious Henderson college hall of fame ceremony instead of putting in extra time in the office sent the wrong message and could of helped. Maybe practicing more than 3 days during the week after gt puts up numerous team and NCAA records on you could of helped. Maybe I'll go to church and pray turner gets fired, couldn't hurt!

zturner29 10 years, 10 months ago

Recruit some defense talent Gill, we got some sorry players out there on the d-line

Funhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

What little you and I know about football coaches' personalities is from brief interviews and their weekly TV shows, for example. If anything is revealing to us, it is in the coach's words and facial expressions as the cameras are rolling in the post-game locker room. Perhaps other long time Jayhawk football fans remember these post game, locker room interviews, too.

Terry Allen, beginning his second year, was looking and sounding more sad and depressed as the season wore on. I was worried he was going to commit suicide before he was released.
Cagey Glen Mason also wore his emotions on his sleeve. Unlike Terry Allen though, Mason looked and sounded mad at the world his first years here. His first KU teams were awful. Bob Valesente was fired after two years. "Valesente told reporters, 'I don't believe two years is enough to build a program. I just don't feel we've been given enough time.' " I recall everyone excited when Mike Gottfried was hired. Gottfried stayed for only three years. I recall him prancing the sidelines like a caged animal, always wearing a mean look and, like Mason his first two years, a mad-at-the-world attitude for being our coach. I recall boosters remarking that Gottfried was not happy coaching here at all, so he moved into broadcasting and subsequently was smiling again. As each season wore on, and the job wore on them, you could really see these coaches' demeanors go downhill in their interviews and their TV shows. Several of these coaches in their weekly TV shows started looking and sounding like they hated their job here.

The reason I bring up these personalities, I prefer Turner Gill's. And, I just now realized coaching carousels send a football program into the grave. Did unbelief ever resurrect something dead?

OKHawkFan 10 years, 10 months ago

Amen Amen Amen!! 100% with what you say!! I've been preaching the exact for a while. We roll the dice with somebody who is willing to build a dynasty and stay at KU or bring somebody else in who is successful and then leaves for a bigger football program. How can we expect to sway the top recruits whenever our fanbase is what it is in football. IMO what's worse than a KU fan who is a hater is one who is a lukewarm fan. You can't have it both ways people!!!

danmoore 10 years, 10 months ago


50k stadium and we can't even fill it. Sad!

westlaw 10 years, 10 months ago

No excuses njjayhawk! Bill Snyder had to deal with Ron Princes leftovers and guess what he is winning. In his 2nd season KSU went Pinstripe bowl and look at this season. With this whole alignment mess about football, we need to start putting a product on the field that will produce now. I do agree with KU fans being fair weather, it is embarassing looking at empty seats before and after halftime. Majority of college stadiums (Big 10 and ND) I have been to does not allow re-entry. And then we wonder why we get left out of the alignment picture.

danmoore 10 years, 10 months ago

If this was basketball we could expect a new coach to produce in his 2nd season but it's not. It's not realistic to expect the same in football.

eastcoasthawk 10 years, 10 months ago

I have to call out Keegan on one statement in this article. The easy answer as to why we lost is the right one. Our defense is our defense. It is not very good. Known fact. Our offense is ahead of the curve and can keep us in ball games. However, it was our offense that completely let us down and let TTU back in this game with a 20 point lead. Webb was over his head in releasing many passes where his receivers were covered. What did we lose by? How many points did the TO's cost us? Bingo.

I think BarkingHawk called out the offensive play calling the best.

Annette Lee 10 years, 10 months ago

I think The defense was improved. Guys were flying to the ball more than past games. The quarterback is a pleasant surprise. Omigie needs to catch the ball and Sims needs to trust his blocker at least on that 4th down play at the end.

Bville Hawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Programs that 'turn around' do so by staying with a new coach rather than continually firing and hiring. Besides the examples above (Pinkel, Snyder) look at Bill McCartney at Colorado who won a national championship there. All the things we were all bitching about last year are resolved: clock management, conditioning, etc. We do lack a couple studs on defense, those guys are hard to come by but I think Gill has shown himself to be a good recruiter and I think the defense will receive more recruiting emphasis in the future. We are very young, QB soph, running backs 1 soph and the rest freshman. We were competitive yesterday. You could make the case that had the interception in the 2nd on the pass that was a little high but still catchable been caught instead of tipped that we maintain our score separation with them and go on and win the game.
Even so we are still right there. Missed FG: 3pts. James Simms slipping on 4th down at the 2 yard line as he cut with 1 man to beat so score: 7pts.

Steve Reigle 10 years, 10 months ago

Gee, it's only his second year. If you look, you see there is improvement. It takes time. Let's give him time. Nobody but nobody can come in and make this a truly competitive team in just over one season.

AzNHawk 10 years, 10 months ago

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AzNHawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Hey, your entitled to your own opinion. This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Voice your opinion. Let it out, but if your one of those who cry "Fire the coach", "Fire the defensive coach" etc etc then do what it takes to get the job done.

If your opinion is that the coach is no good, he wont get this program in the right direction and he deserves to be fired then find a way to fire him.

Call Sheahon Zenger, Call Bernadette Little Gray, and express your opinion and just let them LISTEN (KEYWORD: LISTEN) to your opinion, but if you REALLY REALLY want Gill gone someone will have to front the 8 mil for the remainder of his contract.

I hear it all the time: FIRE GILL FIRE GILL, blah blah blah. You want him fired? FIND A WAY TO FIRE HIM. Bring Zenger and Little Gray 8 million dollars and that's it. Gill is gone. How do you go about getting 8 million? I listed a few ways in my previous post.

Other ways would be to take your chances at the lottery and hope you win then split 8 mil with KU and have Gill gone. The one I really think you should go with is to get on your knees and give fellatio to a bunch of wealthy KU boosters and raise money that way.

Or you can continue to voice your opinion and bitch bitch bitch, turn off the TV and never come onto this site or watch another KU game or start supporting the KU football team NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS - THICK, THIN, UP, DOWN, GOOD, & BAD.

yovoy 10 years, 10 months ago

In lots of other conferences 34 points will win a football game. In our league, it probably won't. Take away 2 turnovers, and/or have a defense that can make 3 or 4 stops when it needs to, and this team wins yesterday - it would've been close, but it would be by more than 1 score.

Our offense is pretty decent, even against some decent defenses. Our defense is not decent. If the D was just decent, and our offense played the way they have this year, I think we'd all feel a bit better about the rest of the season.

Miles Nease 10 years, 10 months ago

A program that is heading in the right direction would have won the game yesterday. It is obvious that we are not that program under Gill. Mangino throttled a ranked MU team and took us to a bowl game in his second year. Gill won't accomplish either of those things during his entire tenure.

kugrad93 10 years, 10 months ago

How many times did Mangino beat Texas Tech?

LaJHawk666 10 years, 10 months ago

Coach Mangino vs Big 12:

  Team                            W     L    Win Pct.

Baylor Bears 2 2 .500 Colorado Buffaloes 3 5 .375 Iowa State Cyclones 6 2 .750 Kansas State Wildcats 4 4 .500 Missouri Tigers 4 4 .500 Nebraska Cornhuskers 2 6 .250 Oklahoma Sooners 0 4 .000 Oklahoma State Cowboys 1 3 .250 Texas Longhorns 0 4 .000 Texas A&M Aggies 1 3 .250 Texas Tech Red Raiders 0 4 .000 Total 23 41 .359 vs. North 19 21 .475 vs. South 4 20 .167

roosey 10 years, 10 months ago

Oh geez the sky is falling! Maybe I'm an optimist but I really think the fact we almost beat Texas Tech is a miracle. You're looking at the toughest Big 12 schedule KU has ever faced, not to mention a tough non-conference schedule, and KU is still at .500. We're playing without our star wide receiver, we have all sorts of issues on our defensive line, yet we were ahead 20-0 at one point on an offense as good as TTU. If it weren't for Webb throwing two interceptions, something he hasn't done ALL YEAR, we might have won this game. We have a terrific running attack, which is much more than we can say for the past couple of years, and plenty of potential for the next few years. The defense will continue to develop, it's still an incredibly young unit that has plenty of time to muscle up in the offseason and gain some speed. We still have a chance to beat a few Big 12 teams this season and have a considerably decent year. I'd imagine we will beat ISU and perhaps we can pull a Colorado on Texas A&M. And I don't care what they are rated or who they beat, there is always a chance we will beat Mizzou or K-State. Mizzou really hasn't been that impressive thusfar and K-State's going to eventually quit making comebacks. Believe it or not, that's 6 wins right there. If you want a good example of what this team is, look at the Buffalo Bills last year. A lot of firepower, a lot of close games, not a lot of wins. It took them a year to get it all together and if we start off the year next year the way they have, I think we can do some damage in the new Big 12.

kureader 10 years, 10 months ago

That was a very good post.

The Big 12 (9) is better top to bottom than any BCS conference. So far this season, the SEC is #2, Pac 12 #3, and Big 10 #4 (with only 2 ranked teams).

Offensively, we're much improved at the skill positions on offense. Our offensive line looks better as well. I'm satified with that much improvement in just one year. Some of the mistakes we made saturday (throwing into coverage & dropping punts), can be resolved.

As you suggested, the defense is hard to figure out. Our defenders are frequently not even close enough to the ball to make a bad play. I hate to criticize our defensive coaching staff so early in the season, but I don't have much faith in them. Each game, the opposing offense figures us out at half time and then kicks our butt in the second half ... we don't adjust to stop them. We'll never wins games giving up 40+ points every week.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 10 months ago

This game was a lot like another game against TT a few years ago. We were up something like 35-3 at halftime, and then Turner's boys fell off the ledge. Wait...what? Mark Mangino was the coach of that team? No way...some things really do never change!!!

It's pretty obvious HCTG is going to get another season, so I just hope and pray he can get this defense figured out. More players, better players, better coaching, all those things seem necessary to me. But I am quite sure this team is better than last year's team. That team couldn't stop anybody AND couldn't score.

Funhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Was it this Texas Tech game? Run and Done - KU blows 25-point lead, Capped by Long Touchdown Scamper Kansas City Star, - Sunday, September 26, 2004. Author: Jason King What started out as an entertaining game ended up as a complete embarrassment for Kansas. The Jayhawks jumped out to a 30-5 second-quarter lead - but then went stagnant in a final half that saw the Red Raiders rally for a 1-point victory. Texas Tech's victory in the Big 12 opener for both teams marked the largest comeback ever by a KU opponent. Even more sickening for the Jayhawks was that it significantly decreased what, for a time, appeared to be realistic bowl chances. Kansas - which lost 20-17 to Northwestern last week - has now lost consecutive heartbreakers against beatable opponents. Thus, rather than 4-0 or 3-1, the Jayhawks are 2-2 heading into their toughest stretch the season. Kansas plays at Nebraska next week before returning to Lawrence for an Oct. 9 showdown against Kansas State. Then KU plays at No. 2 Oklahoma. In his news conference after Saturday's loss, coach Mark Mangino appeared more peeved than at any time during his KU career.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 10 months ago

They could have almost reprinted the article and just changed the dates!

Funhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Mangino Needs to Trust Ground Game Kansas City Star - Sunday, September 26, 2004. Author: Jason Whitlock Lawrence - Kansas football coach Mark Mangino isn't committed to his running game. He had no right to throw his offensive linemen under a bus following Kansas' embarrassing, come-from-ahead 31-30 loss to the Texas Tech Red Raiders on Saturday. Playing with the lead for most of the afternoon - including a 30-5 advantage with 48 seconds remaining in the first half - Mangino called for quarterback Adam Barmann to throw the ball 46 times. Barmann's three-interception second half and Mangino's refusal to establish his running game opened the door for Texas Tech's comeback. Following the game, Mangino blamed his offensive linemen. "I'm not pleased at all with the play of our offensive line," said Mangino, who indicated a lineman or two would be benched. "Our offensive line doesn't reflect my temperament, I can tell you that. ...” But take a look at this: In a game that Kansas led by as many as 25 points, the Jayhawks running backs got their numbers called just 27 times. They gained 92 yards, which isn't all that bad given the number of attempts. Meanwhile, Barmann completed just 22 of 46 passes for 224 yards. The Jayhawks, now 2-2, should have been running the ball, protecting their inaccurate quarterback and comfortable lead. By throwing it all over the field, Mangino exposed his valiant defense to Tech's explosive offense, and sure enough coach Mike Leach's offense popped and blew up KU's once-promising season. Mangino, a former line coach, wants to blame his offensive line. What's he going to do, run off another offensive-line coach?

roosey 10 years, 10 months ago

Does anybody remember how big a difference one player made to our early Mark Mangino teams? Charles Gordon. When he played offense, we had an awesome offense. When he played defense, we had an awesome defense. It wasn't until 2008 that we had both on the field at the same time. It's a building process.

DalTXJayhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

What is worse about what is happening to the west is the game day environment they have created. Great tailgates, full stadium (even after halftime), rowdy crowd... I know we have to win to get that, but they have not only put a better product on the field, but are beating the crap out of us from a fan perspective. As it has been said, we have more to offer, with the exception of a recent history of winning, we need to start getting some of the studs we are losing out on. Probably hard to recruit when they see they will be playing in front of 7k fans for the second half. Athletic dept needs to find a way to challenge the students into staying the second half.

Steve Brown 10 years, 10 months ago

halftime open the gates to students without a ticket and offer beer and pizza for a dollar eacvh and less if you show a tix stub. It has been a few decades since I was in school but 25 cent pitchers nd 10 cent draws at the wheel and then $2.00 schooners at Louisia's got us anywhere... don't mind the spelling, it is the vuhm vat waz in da glahss that makes the keyboard a bit dissy.

gorilla10 10 years, 10 months ago

KU students are WEAK!!! They show no support in anything KU unless it comes to basketball.....I can't stand students complaining about KU football when they don't even show up and support the team. Most I know party outside the stadium during games and could give a sh*t whats going on inside memorial. Better support and less complaining is what Kansas University needs in every sport!!! WAKE UP LAWRENCE AND QUIT BEING BELOW AVERAGE FANS!!!!!! YOU KU students show very little class............

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 10 months ago

You got that right! And I am a KU grad. Now, I was one of the few who attended every game and stayed until the end every week. I blame my loyalty on growing up in Nebraska where football rules and I just couldn't get enough of it. But you're right...there are more posters on this website some Saturdays than students in the stands after halftime!

Dyrk Dugan 10 years, 10 months ago

Turner Gill is our coach...and will be for the forseeable future. Believe does mean something.....but we have to believe in our coach too...and allow him to get his players in.

again, the raw numbers: we had two LBs that played last year...and were both seniors...that were recruited to play LB at Kansas. two. Jeremiah Edwards...heart condition, can't play. No Jamal Greene (armed robbery) Darius Parish....(left the program). There was no infrastructure in the d lines and

Let the man build the program his way....also, 4th d-coordinator in five years. no continuity on D....let it occur, before you throw the head man out.

SCJayhawker 10 years, 10 months ago

Ive got to say I'm frustraited, disappointed and saddened. In other words, kinda like most of us KU Football Fan are all the time. Am I right? With that said I still do believe. I think we need to give Coach Gill at least one more year. Its very hard to build a program. We have to give the man some time. I know everyone wants to see immediate wins but that normally does not take place when taking over the reins of a football program. Its going to take a little time to get where we want to be. One step that must take place is to revamp the entire D side of the ball. Shealy must go. We have to get a D-Cord. in place who is some guy out of the mold of a Bo Pelini. A defensive guy with a defensive mind. Coach Gill has the Offensive mind and our O is looking pretty good. We just need to put a huge focus on D and maybe we will eventually get there.

John Percival 10 years, 10 months ago

Thank you so much, Tom. Before HCTG got here I've complained to friends for years about the "E word." I'm sick of him saying it. To me, it means if me and 10 of my fat, old buddies go out and do exactly what he says, we can beat Oklahoma. It's the worst form of coach-speak. The problem is, I don't think it he's saying it to cover-up our lack of talent, but that he actually believes it. Think he needs more time, but the post-game interview needs serious work.

jgkojak 10 years, 10 months ago

Our Offense is actually working. If we can make a few adjustments on D - we'll sneak up and win a couple more this year - we won't get to 6 wins - but we'll improve.

Jack McEnaney 10 years, 10 months ago

I have thought since I moved here to go to school that the fandom in this town was weak. Back in 2007 everyone in Kansas was the biggest football fan, wow look at our team but no I cant name a single player not named reesing on this team. If KU fans would put half the energy into football that they do in basketball, they would compete for the Big IX title. That being said Gil is doing a pretty good job. As people in this town seem to love saying, "Look what he inherited from the previous administration!" The managing of the clock by the offense to end the first half was very good. The time out by Gil right before the field goal attempt by Tx Tech at the end of the half was very good. KU has a football team that has scored at least 24 points in every game this season. The reason they have lost is because of turnovers and non existant tackling. They need more mental toughness and discipline. Defensive tackles can not be jumping offsides. Watch the brown thing right in front of you, until it moves, you dont. Watch the waist of the man with the ball. He cant go anywhere without his waist. Dont try and tackle him by his shoestring, just run right through his waist. The difference between last year and this year is plain to see. The running backs look great. Just tackle on defense and this team will succeed.

Phoggin_Loud 10 years, 10 months ago

Oklahoma State (4-0) opened as a 29-point favorite against the Jayhawks when Sunday’s point spreads were released. By Sunday night, the line had moved to as high as OSU minus 33 points in some spots.

Mike Nicco 10 years, 10 months ago

In light of what the offense is showing this year, would Coach Gill get more leeway if we knew he was recruiting defensive players as well as he recruited offense last year?

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