Tuesday, February 1, 2011

Not lucky in Lubbock: Kansas basketball 0-3 at Texas Tech under coach Bill Self

The Kansas bench looks on as the final seconds tick away in KU's loss to Texas Tech on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 at United Spirit Arena in Lubbock, Texas.

The Kansas bench looks on as the final seconds tick away in KU's loss to Texas Tech on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 at United Spirit Arena in Lubbock, Texas.



Texas Tech coach Pat Knight receives a handshake at the end of the Red Raiders’ victory over Kansas on March 4, 2009, in Lubbock, Texas.

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— Kansas University’s basketball team has compiled an amazing 43-16 record in Big 12 Conference road games under eighth-year coach Bill Self.

The six-time defending league champs, however, are 0-3 in 15,020-seat United Spirit Arena (in the Self era) entering Tuesday's 8 p.m. contest between No. 2-ranked KU (20-1, 5-1) and unrated Texas Tech (11-11, 3-4).

“Oh, man, I’ve been thinking about that a lot. I lost there my freshman year, and I don’t want to lose there again,” KU junior Tyshawn Taylor. He was referring to an 84-65 setback on March 4, 2009 — which tied for the fourth-worst loss in the Self era.

“We are definitely going to work hard and get ready for Texas Tech because we know that could be a game that could easily slip away from us,” Taylor added.

KU is 19-4 all-time against Tech, but just 6-4 in United Spirit Arena.

“I don’t know, but Texas Tech is not a bad team,” Taylor said, asked for reasons for KU’s troubles vs. Tech. “They’ve got good players that can make plays (like seniors Mike Singletary, John Roberson and Brad Reese, who average 14.3, 12.9 and 12.4 ppg respectively).

“When we go to Lubbock, it’s not always the most exciting place to play because the fans aren’t always as juiced. Like coach Self says, you create your energy a little bit. Sometimes it’s tough to do that, you know?” Taylor added.

Marcus Morris, who like Taylor is 0-1 in Lubbock, also can’t explain KU’s three-game skid here.

“It’s very surprising,” Morris said. “Every year, we have a good team and have been consistent. Since coach Self has been here, we’ve been winning the Big 12. But we haven’t won there.

“My first year, we didn’t win there, but we won the Big 12, so maybe it’s just a jinx or something.”

KU’s past experiences tell Self to be wary of tonight’s foe.

“Since I’ve been here, we haven’t won. We’re 0-3,” Self stated. “A couple of them came down to the last shot (KU lost 69-64 in 2007 and 80-79 in double overtime in 2005). Our guys talked about that yesterday. We’ll be excited going down there trying to do better.”

Coach Pat Knight’s Red Raiders have beaten Oklahoma State, Nebraska and Iowa State after opening with losses to Oklahoma, Kansas State, Texas and Baylor. It’s Tech’s longest winning streak in conference play since Knight took over as head coach from his dad, Bob, late in the 2007-08 season.

“There was a time Oklahoma (3-3) and Tech (3-4) were not playing well at all, and now they’ve won three league games. We’ve got to go down there and play better,” Self said.

Knight cited one reason for Tech’s luck versus KU.

“If you look back, you’d see we were abnormally hot. We hit a lot of shots against them in all three games. That always helps, especially when going against a better team than yourself,” Knight said. “We were on fire against them in every game, hitting threes. You do that, it opens up the drive and everything.

“We’ve got to be able to score against them. We’ll try everything we can from a defensive standpoint. They are so good offensively, if the defense is not working, we have to hit shots.”

Knight said he respects KU’s program.

“They reload every year,” he said. “I really like the Morris twins. They’ve got a great outside threat in a kid like (Tyrel) Reed and a kid like (Brady) Morningstar. If we get too enamored with their inside game, those two can get 20 any night. They’re very dangerous.”


DevilHawk 11 years, 4 months ago

08-09 season: Poor shooting night by KU; hot shooting night by Tech. In particular, Sherron was 1-10 from beyond the arc; Brady was 1-7 from beyond the arc; and Tech's Voskuil was 9-14 from beyond the arc. Also, we had just come off a revenge victory against Mizzou.

06-07 season: Only 4 FTAs against Tech's 20. Rush shot only 4-14. We lost by 5. Also, came off a close, 3-pt. win against Mizzou. 1st conference loss.

04-05 season: #15 KU @ #16 Tech. We lost in double OT. 18 FTAs against Tech's 26 FTAs, and 61.1% FT% against Tech's 73.1%. Giddens hit only 3-13. 1st conference loss.

Dean Huggins 11 years, 4 months ago

Despite looking like he starred in Saved By the Bell the middle school years, Voskuil couldn't miss that [K]night two seasons ago. About this time of year Self's teams shift it into another gear. The momentum we build in February will push us through March and into April. RCJH!

tis4tim 11 years, 4 months ago

Man, I recall that Voskuil kid. Seems like he was so ridiculously on fire he drilled a three from just over the half court line on one possession.

Having said that, I'm always amazed how, in sports, certain teams just "own" other teams. It doesn't seem to matter the year, the personnel, the records, the circumstances or anything of the sort. I'll cite the Colts dominance over the Chiefs in football, KU over KSU in basketball, or Hammy Cramps vs. Slam Punks in my fantasy league as examples. :)

This little streak ends tonight and Self and the boys get the "W".

Chris Shaw 11 years, 4 months ago

To add to Devilhawk's great post:

04-05: What's amazing about that game is that KU held a 45-25 rebounding edge and had 18 offensive rebounds vs 5 for Tech. That Zeno kid went off for 24 points and what's even more amazing is that he played all 50 minutes. Ross and Jackson played all but 1 minute. Pretty Amazing! The thing I remember most about that Tech loss is the downward spiral KU had the rest of the season and it all started with Tech and a 3 game losing streak.

07: Yeah, I rember the FT disparity pretty vividly from that game. I remember the Dora kid who only averaged 5 points a game go off for a career high and 19 points. You know, I really forgot how rarely Knight use to sub for certain guys. 3 guys ended up playing the entire 40 minutes.

09: I agree with Devilhawk! I just remember Voskuil draining 3's from all over the court. Singletary also played really well that game as well for Tech.

I sure hope KU doesn't look past Tech!

waywardJay 11 years, 4 months ago

Dora's career sub 20% three point shooting that just happened to hit a miracle three ? From about 27 feet....

It has somethign to do with the fact there is nothing in Lubbock, it's a boring ride and we are greated by less than ehtusiastic fans...... Kinda like getting sucked into a badly written, badly acted, screen play about Quilting.

Key thing for kansas to do. Make this Movie Gladiator. Turn it into a street fight ( avoid techinicals while doing so ). GO into their turf like people try to come into ours. DIctate the pace of the game. Force a great coach to adapt his game to fit ours. Singletary is a poor man's paul Pierce, when he's on, he's an NBA player, when he's off .... You can find him in your local under +30 league, just like everyone on this texas tech team. Pat's a good coach, he's not a great recruiter but he can game plan as well as his father.... Expect him to try and get Morri into foul trouble, expect him to push them into technicals if he can. Expect them to try and do everything in their power to slow this game down.

We shouldn't see a zone unless we get them in foul trouble so, we should feasibly be able to dump and kick out... COuld be a good game for Reed to break out a little bit..... Also expect a monster game from Marcus as he should be able to shoot over Reese, or post him down low. If they use lewnadoski, He should be able drive past and dunk efficently.

Unlike previous games in this series, our ability to play outside with our bigs should open up cutting lanes more efficently..... If we play with passion this is a 100+ point performance.

96-61 Kansas.

JayhawkRock 11 years, 4 months ago

This has been a trap game for us because Lubbock is such a boring place but I dont see us losing this game...KU seems really focused and we are playing good basketball...I like the way we are starting to come around as a team.

I got KU winning 84-67

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 4 months ago

Agree...We have no margin for losing if we want a share of the Conference Title. We will be ready tonight.

ahpersecoachingexperience 11 years, 4 months ago

"entering Monday’s 8 p.m. contest" ?????????????????????????????????

Mike Skiles 11 years, 4 months ago

Hey LJW, do a better job with your editing, especially for a lead article.

From the story (quote): 'The six-time defending league champs, however, are 0-3 in 15,020-seat United Spirit Arena (in the Self era) entering Monday’s 8 p.m. contest between No. 2-ranked KU (20-1, 5-1) and unrated Texas Tech (11-11, 3-4).'

Monday? Duh, my calendar says today is Tuesday.


FairgroveJayhawk 11 years, 4 months ago

The twins look weak in that picture, comparatively speaking. Pretty impressive what Hudy has done the past two years.

clevelandjayhawker 11 years, 4 months ago

+1 her and Danny have done a great job with all the bigs (other than far)

Blake Post 11 years, 4 months ago

"entering Monday’s 8 p.m. contest between No. 2-ranked KU (20-1, 5-1) and unrated Texas Tech (11-11, 3-4)". Scared me for a minute...thought I missed the game.

REHawk 11 years, 4 months ago

Pat Knight appears to be one of the good guys, and is fighting for his coaching life in Lubbock. Singletary has really come on as of late. Balanced production from Tech's top 3 scorers. Plenty of reason, historically, to take this game very seriously. Good to know that it really is a Tuesday contest, as scheduled, and that all of us didn't miss it last night....

jaybate 11 years, 4 months ago

“They reload every year,” he said. “I really like the Morris twins. They’ve got a great outside threat in a kid like (Tyrel) Reed and a kid like (Brady) Morningstar. If we get too enamored with their inside game, those two can get 20 any night. They’re very dangerous.” --TTech's Pat Knight

Pat, meet Josh Selby.

My game day hunch is: Selby goes Egypt on them. Lubbock melt down. Total revolution in their face. Onomotopoeia, I don't wanna see ya, I just wanna dunk tonight.

Adam Collins 11 years, 4 months ago

Is Taylor TRYING to fire up every team we place by dropping bulletin board gems to the media?

brooksmd 11 years, 4 months ago

Was thinking the exact same thing when I read his comments. He needs to be more careful choosing his words against opposing teams. Prior to the NFL playoffs, New Orleans Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma said he didn't think a team with the record the Saints had should have to travel to play a mediocre team like the Seattle Seahawks. You can bet that made the locker room bulletin board in Seattle. And the Saints got their butts kicked. If you're going to do it, don't talk down to your opponent until AFTER you beat them.

waywardJay 11 years, 4 months ago

Any Athlete who needs to hear talk from their opponent to motivate them should have a losing record anyway....

BUlletin Board material sure, but really... Isn't playing # 2 or #3 in national enough motivation ?

Marcia Parsons 11 years, 4 months ago

I didn't think it was too bad. He said nice things about the team and players. The only people who might be offended are their fans, and if so, maybe they will all show up and bring some energy to the building. According to Taylor, that would be a good thing. At least he didn't come up with a Jacque Vaughn "It's only Baylor" quote.

Robert Brock 11 years, 4 months ago

The game will hinge on Taylor and carelessness with the ball.

Chris Shaw 11 years, 4 months ago

Ah Yes! The famous travel call. I was so angry after that play.

zsn 11 years, 4 months ago

That has to be among the top-5 worst calls against the 'Hawks....for some reason, many of those happen at Mizery - anyone remember the phantom non-call when Jacque Vaughn was tried to shoot the game winner in 1997 (only regular season loss that year, as I recall) and it was a very similar play to Aaron's "traveling".....and who can forget Greg Gurley called for a foul for getting his face in the way of some douchebag's elbow (1998 or 99?), and then having to leave the game with a bloody lip? Kudos to Greg for showing the restraint by not kicking the guy in the groin......what's the worst that could happen....get ejected?? For all practical purposes he was out of that game, anyway......

KUAlum88 11 years, 4 months ago

And two years ago when the ref backed into Marcus at the end of the first half, then T-ed Marcus up for it.

KU_FanSince75 11 years, 4 months ago

If this results in a loss, which I believe it will not happen, this would be considered a bad loss on KU's resume. There are some arena where teams struggle----let me introduce you to "United Spirit Arena." Totally opposite of the "Octagon of Doom." Good luck tonight, Jayhawks! Reckless abandon and total domination tonight!

jaybate 11 years, 4 months ago

"The Above Top Secret Story of Jake Voskuil's Remarkable Performance Against KU in 2008"

I lot of people outside Texas don't know this but Voskuil is Luiksov spelled backwards. Luiksov is the name of a Russian scientist who perfected mind control technology used on the USSR basketball team that beat Iba and Jo Jo the first time USA did not win the gold. Luiksov defected to the US after the '68 Olympics and was set up as a professor at Texas Tech with the cover name of Voskuil. Voskuil/Luiksov had a child named Jake. Jake was raised what is now known in intelligence circles as a Luiksov mind control box. Voskuil/Luiksov had studied the history of basketball thoroughly before applying the Luiksov mind control technology to the USSR basketball team in '68. Voskuil/Luiksov became obsessed with James Naismith and the University of Kansas. In particular, Voskuil/Luiksov believed there was a superluminal quantum entanglement extant among James Naismith and all KU basketball players. It was through a fiendish exploitation of quantum entanglement that Voskuil/Luiksov was able to use Jo Jo White's mind to connect back to James Naismith and thence forward to the minds of the referees of the 1968 Olympic basketball game that lives in American infamy. It was actually Voskuil/Luiksov, working out of an unmarked panel van several miles from Olympic arena that determined the outcome of the game lost by the USA Olympic Basketball team to the USSR in 1968. After USSR defeated USA, Voskuil/Luiksov's stock was very high with the leadership of the USSR and especially within the KGB, the Soviet intelligence organization. Voskuil/Luiksov, who was, according to most sources that knew him at the time, overcome with an obsession to defeat the University of Kansas repeatedly in basketball, as a subversive means of beginning the long term destabilization and overthrow of the USA.

brooksmd 11 years, 4 months ago

"superluminal quantum entanglement extant".....jaybate I'm really interested in this theory. Could you please provide a more in-depth analysis to those of us who are not nearly as educated?

tis4tim 11 years, 4 months ago

I think Voskuil's first name was Alan. Jake Voskuhl (note the different spelling) was a player for UConn.

jaybate 11 years, 4 months ago

I think you are right. I think their first names became caught up in a quantum entanglement, or maybe I just screwed up! :-)

jaybate 11 years, 4 months ago

Voskuil/Luiksov convinced Soviet and KGB leaders of the time basketball, not baseball, was the thread that held America together and that the way to fray and then sever that thread was by defeating the University of Kansas, located in the American Heartland, repeatedly. Voskuil/Luiksov volunteered to feign a defection to the USA, on the condition that the CIA set him up in a university with a basketball program that played KU regularly. Soviet and KGB leaders agreed and the ruse was on. AS part of the cover story, Voskuil/Luiksov was thrown into a Soviet psychiatric hospital for political prisoners a Siberia, where he was allowed to work in secret on the Luiksov mind control box. After two years, Soviet agents in the US, British, and Israeli governments were able to persuade the agents in these governments to work out a prisoner swap for Voskuil/Luiksov if he were willing to defect and work on mind control technology for the West. Future President George Bush the Elder unwittingly became the go between on this espionage ruse of the USSR and KGB. Bush went out on the tarmac in Helsinki, Finland and conducted the secret prisoner exchange and brought Voskuil/Luiksov to Washington, D.C., where he and Voskuil/Luiksov were debriefed. Bush was then assigned by President Nixon, who still greatly resented Dwight Eisenhower for not fully backing Nixon in the 1960 Presidential election vs. JFK, to set up Voskuil/Luiksov in a lesser Texas university that could one day be moved into a conference alignment with the University of Kansas. Bush placed Voskuil/Luiksov at Texas Tech and waited a decent interval before masterminding the expansion of the Big 8 to include several Texas universities including Texas Tech, where Voskuil/Luiksov was by then perfecting the Luiksov mind control box. Bush later arranged the adoption by Voskuil/Luiksov of an infant child from a Dallas orphanage. The child was named Jake Voskuil and raised by Voskuil/Luiksov in a Luiksov mind control box, as already noted previously. Jake Voskuil was, in effect, a Manchurian Basketball Player, raised by Voskuil/Luiksov from infancy to go off in a Texas Tech game against KU. And that's the rest of the story.

(Note: All fiction. No malice.)

jaybate 11 years, 4 months ago

Well, at least only my post sucks. You, on the other hand suck yourself!!!

Yeeeee Hawwwwww! I love punking chumps!

KU_FanSince75 11 years, 4 months ago

Jaybate---chill out dude----I love your posts. I was addressing jsatt3. LOL.

jaybate 11 years, 4 months ago

I am going for an ice pack. Thanks for bringing me back to reality.

Benjamin Piehler 11 years, 4 months ago

i believe he took the time to register and make an account to attempt to insult a group of people under the anonymousness of the internet. which is, if you think about it; alot more pathetic than anything that goes on at this site.

jaybate 11 years, 4 months ago

With hawkinator, it is not a matter of belief. It is an empirically verified fact with 95% confidence that he herniates himself lifting even articles a, an and the in the logonasium.

Buck up, hawkinator, your verbal penis will grow with experience.

Size matters.

Keep lifting.

Yeeeee hawwwwww! Its game day. I can feel the juices flowing!!!!

KU_FanSince75 11 years, 4 months ago

Gawd, we don't need any visuals, jaybate!

jaybate 11 years, 4 months ago

0 lives is concept on the Kelvin scale. At absolute zero Kelvin, there are zero lives, zero degrees of freedom, zero molecular motion, and large snow storms.

C'mon, jsatt3...

"Boy, ya gotta carry that weight Carry that weight a-long time"

Your verbal penis can grow big too, if you will just start lifting.

You can do it.

Nothing is written that your verbal penis has to stay shrivelled and unmanly.

Lift jsatt3, lift now, lift hard, lift big!

Move beyond "sucks."

You can do it.

"I know you can make it I know you can make it If you try Yes you can-can."

What is it with all these small verbal penises out today? This is game day. Where are all the well-hung, awesomely endowed word smiths today?

If I have to be insulted, at least it be by some one with a verbal crank longer than a micron!

C'mon jsatt3, man-up here.

The Jayhawks are playing tonight.

Cut the panty waist "zero lives" stuff and get down in the muck and at least try to grind it out!

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 4 months ago

But took the time to point it out. Oxymoronic...

MGJayhawk 11 years, 4 months ago

I have no clue what Jaybate is talking about but that is pretty creative.

This is another test to see how we step up against a team that doesn't match up to us. Every year the students show up and go nuts. We should be focused. We are playing "team ball" better than anyone in the country right now. The key is Morningstar, Little and TRob. If they can provide at least 15pts, 10 rebs, and a make their guys foul a few times, it will be a blowout. Selby needs to keep attacking.

KU_FanSince75 11 years, 4 months ago

+1--- In regard to the key. "Selby needs to keep attacking." Totally right and totally agree.

Tony Bandle 11 years, 4 months ago

Not that it's not without fondness, Jaybate, but sometimes I wonder about you! :)

jaybate 11 years, 4 months ago

Antoni Gaudi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We all must step outside the envelope from time to time. :-)

Doing the unnecessary is necessary.


Benjamin Piehler 11 years, 4 months ago

i had night class, i was going to miss the game.... and then the powers that be gave us a snow day... huzzah!

jaybate 11 years, 4 months ago


hawkinator having a break out post! :-)

Tony Bandle 11 years, 4 months ago

Simple solution to tonight's game...pretend the Coach is Bobby Knight....not his son. BK did terrible against Kansas.

riffel 11 years, 4 months ago

I am new on here, but I was wondering if anybody else has the same concerns I do for next year. We could lose the twins,Selby,Robinson along with Reed, Morningstar, and Little. We only have one recruit coming in so far. We will have a small lineup along with a thin bench.

Chris Shaw 11 years, 4 months ago

I wouldn't worry too much! These things have a way of working themselves out. The Draft, The NBA Collective bargaining agreement, The Twins Mindset, The scouts "Love or Non Love Affair with Selby, recruits decommitting, and etc etc.

There are too many "Unknowns" to really think about it at this point. I mean, if KU is successful and gets to a Final and wins a championship then everybody's stock on the tream increases. If they have a flameout or a very poor performance in the Big Dance than most likely a majority of the team comes back.

I'm actually very shocked at all the recruits who verballed or committed early to colleges. IMO there are too many unknowns with guys leaving or coming back that if I was a recruit I would leave all my options open until the spring signing period. I think KU is a good situation because if players do decommitt and KU also has some guys leave than KU is in a pretty good situation. If everybody comes back than KU is definitely sitting pretty with their roster for another season.

In the end riffel, I wouldn't worry too much. Rosters, recruits, and NBA draft stuff really don't start coming to together until April or May anyway.

riffel 11 years, 4 months ago

Thanks kushaw You answered my question.

riffel 11 years, 4 months ago

Thanks kushaw You answered my question.

Tony Bandle 11 years, 4 months ago

Hey riffel...welcome to the site. One question...your not living in Nebraska at this moment, are you?

Some tips for newcomers:

1] Be sure you're in a comfortable chair if you start to read a Jaybate post. 2] Encourage Ralster not to change his avatar. 3] If you feel like raising a little hell, ask kushaw about anthonyzal 4] Best post of the month wins a date with Soobawls. 5] 100 and HighEliteMajor seem to know what they are talking about. 6] Double check your post for speleing..see what I mean? 7] Freedom of speech is the number one rule here, however it doesn't exempt you from debate, ridicule and defending your position. 8] Continued, irrational criticism of the Hawks will get you banned. That's why I asked if you lived in just happened recently. 9] Poking fun at the LJW staff is certainly encouraged [and mostly warranted] 10] If you see an OakvilleJHawk list coming up, scroll by it as quick as you can!!!

Chris Shaw 11 years, 4 months ago

Oakville, how could you? You forgot #11! The all important #11!

11) What side of the fence do you lean on? Are you part of the "Brady Brigade" or the "Brady Detesters"? It's one or the other. :)

Chris Shaw 11 years, 4 months ago

Oakville: Jayhawkinnebraska got banned? Wow!

DevilHawk 11 years, 4 months ago

It seems Oakville forgot:

12] Read the football articles on the site, because Matt Tait is quite possibly the best writer for the site.

JayhawkBigXII 11 years, 4 months ago

Knight says “We were on fire against them in every game, hitting threes." This pretty much sums up their game plan for tonight. Look for elbows on Marcus to draw him out. And perhaps... KU should think about guarding the three a wee bit tighter this time?

HawkBBall 11 years, 4 months ago

Tyshawn and Josh: Remember the game in Boulder? Play like you did against the Kittens and you will be victorious! Good solid defense will release your offense.

HawkBBall 11 years, 4 months ago

Button up the paint and stop the penetration.

madamhawk 11 years, 4 months ago

Jaybate-I really didn't understand your post today but you had me at "well-hung"!

jaybate 11 years, 4 months ago


I am at your service always.

texashawk10 11 years, 4 months ago

I noticed an error in the facts with KU's record in Lubbock. They are 6-4 all-time in Lubbock, but they are only 2-3 at United Spirit Arena. At least that's what KU's athletic page says.

jayhawksbiggestfan 11 years, 4 months ago

Luck is over rated. Let us use our skills. RCJH

riffel 11 years, 4 months ago

definitely not a husker! Born and raised a jayhawk even though I lived near Manhattan. Had many a discussion with my friends that were pussycats about the negatives of cat basketball vs. the positives of hawk ball. I haven't been much of a Brady fan this year although he has shone some improvement recently.

IrishHawk 11 years, 4 months ago ESPNU at my place in Atlanta...and not on ESPN3 tonight....any ideas where I can watch tonight online? Thanks!

IrishHawk 11 years, 4 months ago now pops up in upcoming on ESPN 3...wasn't there for some reason earlier. Rock Chalk!

sudspert 11 years, 4 months ago

Anyone have an online link to the game for us poor people who don't have ESPNU or ESPN3?

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