Friday, December 23, 2011

Pair of coveted quarterbacks commit to KU

In this Sept. 3, 2011, file photo, Notre Dame quarterback Dayne Crist throws against South Florida in South Bend, Ind.

In this Sept. 3, 2011, file photo, Notre Dame quarterback Dayne Crist throws against South Florida in South Bend, Ind.


Just about everywhere he has coached, Charlie Weis has worked with great quarterbacks.

In New York with Neil O’Donnell and Vinny Testaverde, in New England with Tom Brady and at Notre Dame with Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen, Weis always seems to have had a big, strong, pro-style quarterback under center.

Thanks to a couple of huge commitments, it now appears Weis will have the chance to keep the tradition alive at Kansas University.

Thursday, within a few hours of each other, former Notre Dame quarterback Dayne Crist and BYU transfer Jake Heaps orally committed to Kansas, giving KU two of its most high-profile quarterbacks in school history. Both commitments will become official on signing day in February, but it appears both former five-star prospects are happy with their decisions already.

“I’m 100 percent all in with my decision,” Crist told Thursday night, several hours after initially announcing his decision on Twitter. “I wanted to make sure I had full understanding of the players, the coaches, everything that goes into it. I just felt Kansas was the best fit and embodied the things I was looking for. I’m just thrilled to have this opportunity.”

Heaps, a sophomore who started 15 games during his two seasons at BYU, told Jon Kirby of that he had been in contact with Crist.

“I talked with Dayne, and we are excited to get to Kansas and get the program on track,” Heaps told Kirby.

Kirby, who has followed KU football recruiting for 13 years, said Thursday’s flurry of activity was by far the craziest he had seen during that time.

“I really believe there’s only one person that Kansas could’ve hired that could’ve pulled this off,” Kirby said. “And that person is Charlie Weis.”

Crist, the No. 2-ranked QB in the Class of 2008 who graduated from Notre Dame earlier this month, will arrive at Kansas with one year left to play and will be eligible immediately. Recruited to Notre Dame by Weis in 2008, the 6-foot-4, 235-pound Crist played three seasons and made 10 starts for the Fighting Irish from 2008-11. During his time at Notre Dame, he completed a shade over 58 percent of his passes for 2,327 yards, with 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions, while going 4-6 as a starter.

His best season, both statistically and in terms of impact, came during 2010, when he started nine games and threw for 2,033 yards and 15 TDs.

Heaps, the former No. 1-ranked QB in the Class of 2010 whom Weis also recruited while coaching at Notre Dame, started the final 10 games of his freshman season at BYU (2010) and the first five games in 2011 before being benched. He set freshman school records for yards passing (2,316), attempts (383), completions (219) and touchdown passes (15) during the 2010 season that ended with the 7-6 Cougars beating UTEP in the New Mexico Bowl.

In accordance with NCAA transfer rules, Heaps, 6-1, 200, will sit out the 2012 season and will have two years of eligibility remaining beginning in 2013. He will be allowed to practice throughout 2012. Both players are expected to be on campus for the spring semester and will be eligible to participate in spring practices.

“It’s like the perfect situation,” Kirby said. “It all came together at the right time. I think Dayne Crist had the relationship with Charlie Weis, and they know each other and understand each other, and that’s going to be great for Kansas football. And I think Jake Heaps is somebody that wants to be in the NFL, and he knows that he’s now playing for someone who can help him get there, and he’ll be playing in a pro-style offense.”

Thursday’s excitement surely was the kind of splash KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger envisioned when he hired Weis on Dec. 8. Despite the program coming off a 2-10 season, KU football was scrolling on ESPN’s “bottom line” throughout the day, and ESPN analyst Trevor Matich did an entire segment on Crist’s potential impact at KU on “College Football Live.”

“He brings understanding,” Matich said on the show. “He didn’t get to play much under Charlie Weis, but he was there, in the system. As a pure, drop-back passer, he’s the kind of guy that Weis knows how to coach.”

While KU’s quarterback haul became national news and was a hot topic on message boards everywhere, it also made quite an impression on a few high school seniors who already had committed to KU.

“It definitely gets me excited,” said three-star tight end Jordan Smith of Reicher High in Waco, Texas. “Having a great quarterback, that helps the team tremendously. And having quarterbacks that have already proven themselves in other programs, as not only leaders but also as athletes, is great. Picking up two of them in the same day, that’s crazy. But I think it’s gonna be great for the program.”

Williams taps Cyclones

Orlando offensive lineman Duaron Williams, who had listed KU as one of three finalists, orally committed to Iowa State on Thursday night.

Williams, 6-4, 298, projects as an offensive guard in college. He chose the Cyclones over Kansas and Central Florida.

Also Thursday, Largo, Fla., tight end Sean Culkin, who had been considering KU, orally committed to Missouri.


Cmill1221 10 years, 11 months ago

It's nice to have a coach that can actually recruit and not just talk about it. Now D-Line!!

hawk316 10 years, 11 months ago

Cmill1221, you may not have liked Turner Gill as a coach, but the man could recruit, as could his excellent staff. Charley will be the beneficiary of a number of very solid, talented athletes for several years to come, including some outstanding running backs.

Let's give credit where credit is due.

Cmill1221 10 years, 11 months ago

Ummmmmmm QB? And ANYTHING on defence!! In 2 years he signed three 4 star recruits. All running backs!!! And one (BB) barely touched the field. Terry doesn't count b/c he signed in august when mangino was still coaching. So I give him ZERO credit as a "great recruiter". "Were, gonna recruit, recruit, recruit and recruit some more!". I can't believe you bought that BS.

KU_Alumn_2000 10 years, 11 months ago

Hawk316 - Coach Mitchell could recruit running backs and O-linemen. Let's give credit where credit is due.

I know you're a big Gill supporter...and I am too from a personal and integrity standpoint...but he didn't perform as a coach or a recruiter.

BillSelf4Prez 10 years, 11 months ago

I am disappointed about not getting Williams, i really thought we were gonna get him. But i didn't even know about him but we lost him to Misery so that pisses me off. But other than that i am PSYCHED!! TWO 5 STAR RECRUITS!!!!!!!! CAN'T WAIT till Weis has a full staff, more time, and some more wins to convince the recruits!!

Andy Hess 10 years, 11 months ago

We didn't lose Williams to Mizzou. He went to Iowa State. Sean Culkin committed to Mizzou.

Aligned 10 years, 11 months ago

Welcome to KU, guys! I've never been more optimistic about Kansas Football.

Another nail has been driven in the coffin of the slow-to-die Perkins era.

Mike Crosbie 10 years, 11 months ago

Thanks to Charlie I'm FINALLY able to move past losing Mangino !!

petey55 10 years, 11 months ago

"Both commitments will become official on signing day in February, but it appears both former five-star prospects are happy with their decisions already." I believe that statement is inaccurate. Since they are both transferring at semester it would be official once they singed the grant-in-aid paperwork and enrolled for the second semester.

middleoftheroader 10 years, 11 months ago

It would be funny if they had to 'sing' the paperwork.

Matt Tait 10 years, 11 months ago

The financial agreements will come first, but they are not binding the way letters of intent are...

5DecadeHawk 10 years, 11 months ago

They are not allowed to sign Letters of Intent according to NCAA Rules.

A player may only sign a LOI one time. I assume Crist signed an LOI to attend Notre Dame his freshman year, and Heaps signed an LOI to attend BYU his freshman year. Those will be the last LOIs those two players are ever allowed to sign.

The moment when these players will become officially committed to Kansas will be the day they enroll for Spring classes.

Phoggie_Thinking 10 years, 11 months ago

You are correct. The coaches can not comment about them until the grant in aid is completed. (See Brandon Rush or X Henry) Self could not talk about them until this was completed. The funny thing about it was X started talking (or his dad did) about playing overseas after he signed the grant in aid.

Juco's can sign a letter of intent because many of them had not previously. Those who did and then didn't qualify are then put into the grant in aid category.

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 11 months ago

Hope you collected n Boise last night. And now because we are friends, go put your life savings on OSU to win. And watch (smaller play) Oregon over Wisconsin if and only if their OC leaves for Pitt before that game.

JayHok 10 years, 11 months ago

Haha Jayhawker1111! Here's a clip of that ---awful 5 star QB---you're talking about!

Most of us will be watching Snyder in the Cotton Bowl, don't you worry, Jayhawker1111.

JayHok 10 years, 11 months ago

Sorry ahpersecoachingexperience, this response to Jayhawker111 went in the wrong place. Appears you have your Christmas gifts paid for through 2015!


ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 11 months ago

(sigh) It's ok. Now that I agree with everyone and everyone agrees with me nobody replies to my post. It's nice to have a response...even if it was ment for others :(

Jayhawker111 10 years, 11 months ago

Somebody put a 5 star label on these two guys while they were in high school...

Reality is that both of these players were beat out by other quarterbacks in college.

Both could not get it done and were riding the bench.

Nobody should expect that either one of these guys are good enough to make KU a winner.

In order to win you need linemen. If linemen win the trenches and then you win the game.

No quarterback or running back can win a game ---it takes linemen to win.

In conclusion, do not get too excited over a couple of second string quarterbacks.

Aligned 10 years, 11 months ago

The biggest day for Kansas football in recent memory, and you’re unhappy about it?

rockemchalkemrobots 10 years, 11 months ago

Ryan Mallet, Joe Flacco, Troy Aikman, Cam Newton, and JP Losman immediately come to mind as examples of very good college quarterbacks who were "riding the bench" and opted to move to another school in order to maximize their opportunities. If anyone can max out the ability of these two QB's, it is the guy who turned Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen into high NFL draft picks. I will get as excited as I deem appropriate.

I agree that the offensive line is important, though. Too bad we didn't get Williams.

David A. Smith 10 years, 11 months ago

I choose to be slightly innappropriate about my excitement! Lol. So.....WOOOOO-HOOOO!

vd 10 years, 11 months ago

Add Kerry Meier and Kale Pick to this list.

rockemchalkemrobots 10 years, 11 months ago

The article about Jordan Webb changing positions hasn't been written yet.

Joe Joseph 10 years, 11 months ago

Matt Cassel was a 2nd stringer as well.

(Not the best example?)

truefan 10 years, 11 months ago

No, I think that is a great example. With Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel is a pro-bowl QB, without Charlie Weis, Matt Cassel is terrible.

Jim Stauffer 10 years, 11 months ago

Reality is they are both pro-style QB's who had coaches put them in another box, different offense and then bench them in favor of guys who can run that offense.

This is what made them available to KU. If Kelley was running a pro-style offense at ND, Crist would have been his QB. Same at BYU.

vd 10 years, 11 months ago

Stop throwing reality at us. We know that many times last year our QB threw perfect passes that were dropped. With these two new QBs though, our receivers will not drop passes. We also know the lineman will never give up sacks, and these guys will never be injured.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 11 months ago

Youre right, but CW has been around for less than a month... even if we signed two four star QBs, everyone would be excited.

JayHok 10 years, 11 months ago

Crist, 5 star. Heaps, 5 Star. Berglund, 4 Star. Cummings, Webb, Pick, Zanklowski.

Even on the UT boards, the Horn posters have admitted defeat on this position to Weis. It might also be noted for anyone running a pro style offense, this is obviously a key position!

Tutoring for a year is also important. Crist had two years under Clausen and Weis. Heaps will get one year under Crist and Weis.


optimist 10 years, 11 months ago

Tell that to the Indianapolis Colts. Clearly in their case the Quarterback makes all of the difference. While your point makes sense on the surface you fail to recognize that in Crist's case injuries followed by a coaching change with a coach brining in a new system and his guy led to his demotion. Weis will use him in a system that fits his talent. That all being said, I agree that to really make this offense potent, especially with all of the running talent that we already have is to have a solid offensive line with depth. That can make up for shortcomings in other areas.

stravinsky 10 years, 11 months ago

"Weis will use him in a system that fits his talent."

He will also bubble-wrap Crist's knees.

actorman 10 years, 11 months ago

"injuries followed by a coaching change with a coach brining in a new system ..."

Sounds kind of painful for the poor coach ...

David Robinett 10 years, 11 months ago

One word: Grunhard.

Just like CW can prepare QBs for the NFL, Grunny can do that for Olinemen.

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 11 months ago

Although you are correct that the Offensive line can help a QB tremendously, don't forget that the QB can also help an OL a lot more.

Since we are using a Pro-Style Offense, I am going to use the indianopolis Colts to highlight my example. Last year under the same line, Peyton Manning ran the offense, with very few sacks and one of the most prolific offenses. 6 months later the offensive line looks horrible and the QB gets sacked, hurried, or hit about every other play. Why? Because of the QB under center. QBs make reads and also have quick releases. Peyton is known for both. All three of the other QBs under center for the Colts this year do not and hence why a QB can really make a difference on the OL.

Now look at KU, all plays under TG started at 4-5 yards behind the center. TG never moved the pocket so the point of attack always started in the same place. There were at least 8 in the box to rush that point, since most of the time we ran the ball. The QB (Webb) didn't really have time to make more than one read, not because the OL was bad, but more because it took him 3-4 sec to make his first read. At that point in time if the read wasn't there he had to move and lost any ability to make a second read. Now switching back to what we will see with HCCW's offense. He will always have the RB as a safety net. He will also have two quick reads, he'll also teach the QB to attack the blitz (meaning to hit the receiver with the associated blitzer). You are going to see a lot of bubble screens because of the strength of the arm from Crist, but this will serve two purposes 1) Force them to keep a safety back 2) slow down the pressure on the line.

I think it'll be amazing the schemes themselves will make the OL better, but the QB will have a lot to do with it. Plus, BYU isn't the offensive jugernaut that it was when Lavell Edwards and Norm Chow were coaching there.

GridironHawk 10 years, 11 months ago

I tend to remember a guy named Todd something (I think Reesing) that did okay with an average at best line...

Martin Shupert 10 years, 11 months ago

I saw Weis in action. He can't develop players at all, with one exception. He definitely can develop the drop back passing QB. The fact that Dayne was a second and third string QB at ND is true, but it was very controversial and still is. The big concern is, at ND, he seemed to be made out of porcelin. Look for him to go down early and often. To say he is injury prone is the same as saying the sun is kind of hot.

Kyle Berthusen 10 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, lets not take two 5 star QBs that have a chip on their shoulder and a coach that has the ability to turn that chip into a blue chip. I've seen some dumb comments, but this is up there in idiocy.

Steve Corder 10 years, 11 months ago

Well, perhaps you're correct. However, you leave out one extremely important factor in a player's development...coaching. If a player "fails" is it the coaching or poor assessment of the player?

And it's not wise to say that a QB does not win a game; how many examples would you need to change your mind? It is a team sport and not 1 on 11, but you understate the QB importance.

Allow yourself to escape a pessimistic KU football attitude (which can be well understood with our history) and get excited. Talent attracts talent and the perception moving forward is that this is a different program (A.D & Head Coach) which will prove itself out for the better.

Hang in there!

Funhawk 10 years, 11 months ago

I know where Jayhawker111 is coming from. When an employee is fired, other potential employers often balk. Many employers are also relunctant to offer a ultra high paying, top management job to someone who has bounced around so quickly with various employers. The person wanting someone to hire him is considered a higher risk than the other candidates with a better record. To put it another way, it's "What did you do lately for your your last school?" All three have been terminated by their employer or head coach. I'm trying to get excited, really am, because I have been a die hard Jayhawk football fan for many years, no matter how uncompetitive the team is.

Still, when you love KU football, you start dreaming after the end of another rotten season.... and watch the following year when fellow jayhawkers are calling for the coach's head. It never fails. Thank goodness for Jayhawk basketball.

Seth Nesmith 10 years, 11 months ago

i agree. weis and grunhart will have our line competing at a much much higher level than gill.

NebraskaJayhawk 10 years, 11 months ago

I will agree with that statement about Grunhard. I look forward to seeing what he can develop on the OL. He was a great center for the Chiefs for a long time. Most coaches & analysts raved about him during his professional career.

NebraskaJayhawk 10 years, 11 months ago

Eh...not really. We lost Hatch & Spikes so there is a hole to fill. Zlatnik, Marongelli, & Hawkinson should be decent, but I would say Zlatnik is the only standout in the bunch. We were far from dominate on the line this year. There were times it looked like we could be, but they never did put it together. Maybe you watched a different team all season than I did. If they were a strength this season, we would have plowed over teams as much as we ran the football. That wasn't the case. However, I will say that we picked up some quality OL last year. That was Turner's main recruiting goal and he did a pretty good job of it. I think we recruited like 5-6 OL last season. And hopefully Phil freaking Ford will be eligible to join the hawks this year.

number1jayhawker 10 years, 11 months ago

Phil Ford will not be able to transfer to a DI school until he gets his AA degree. That probably won't be until 2013.

Eric Williams 10 years, 11 months ago

Ford will probably be here in 2013. He loves KU and his former HS coach is now the O-Line coach, so I'd say we'll probably get him.

Matt Kenton 10 years, 11 months ago


We have 11 on the roster that are soph or freshmen, many of them big boys, and Tim Grunhard to coach them!

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 11 months ago

...and a new strength and conditioning program, which I actually think is more important that Grunhard.

John Mueller 10 years, 11 months ago


You truly take the concept of "glass is half empty" to a new level.

You need to dispense with your Eeyore syndrome immediately.

If you won the lottery, would you immediately worry about the tax consequences?

Cmon man!

This is great, great news for the University of Kansas!!

There is no doubt that the big uglies are critical to the success of any football team. The line of scrimmage is where the game is won or lost, i agree.

But, good gosh man! Let's celebrate the good news today!!

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!!!

Greg Ledom 10 years, 11 months ago

Jayhawker111, maybe you should change your name to buzzkill111.

Steve Yeakel 10 years, 11 months ago

Welcome Dayne and Jake, we are blessed to have you. Way to go Charlie and Shane, the best dat ever in Jayhawk recruiting!

Gary Wirsig 10 years, 11 months ago

My thought as well. He's been posting lately as hihawk, but perhaps hihawk has lost posting privileges?

bigtex 10 years, 11 months ago

It is about the QB fitting the coaches system and being the coaches recruit especially at the Qb position.Crist and Heap will fit Charlie's system. Neither QB could fit the systems at their previous schools and coaching changes at their previous schools didn't help either. I see QBs in college get passed around all the time or get dumped by certain coaches and picked up by others.(Flacco,Aikmen). Good luck to KU's new Qbs

Jim Jackson 10 years, 11 months ago

Still can't believe we got both QBs, this is unreal. Hope Weis is here for the next 10 years!

Think Darrian Miller will stick around now??!

Go Jayhawkers!!

Chris Bailey 10 years, 11 months ago

I'd really hate to see Miller go! He's a great back! I think he would do well in the new offense. It would take pressure off of him and give him better YPA. That said I think that getting these two is huge! They, meaning these two signing, will no doubt bring other big recruits to KU! I said it right after we hired Weis we will have a top 25 recruiting class in 2013! Watch him make football relevant in Kansas and at KU! This is gonna be sweet! Rock Chalk!

Randy Bombardier 10 years, 11 months ago

Changing the subject, and since things are starting to look up, I think we should keep the Border War. I believe it could be parlayed into a big pay day for us.

Travis Clementsmith 10 years, 11 months ago

I think Mizzou can still go take a flying leap. My feelings about not playing them are not connected to the competitveness of our football team.

actorman 10 years, 11 months ago

To paraphrase from The Simpsons, it'll be a cold day in hell before I'll recognize the need to ever play the tigger traitors again ...

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 11 months ago

I hope it remains, too, but I think it would be good to take a couple years off and get it going again after all the hard feelings have chilled! I am really going to miss playing those guys. I hate them, and I've just never felt the same way about KSU...

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 11 months ago

I think it's funny yesterdays headline was about landing the offensive lineman and we get these two qb's. Clearly Tait has caught Keeganitis!

baldwinjhawk 10 years, 11 months ago

Now call pittsburg state linebacker NATE DREILING and talk him into playing the next 2 years in Lawrence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Randy Bombardier 10 years, 11 months ago

So, this means Jacorey Shepherd is staying? Sure hope so. Really looking forward to what Pierson, Shepherd, Bourban, Miller can do in an ascending program. By the time these guys are Seniors they will be a force. But, with the change in offense I would be surprised if we keep all of these backs. I actually see Bourban as the one we will see the most of because of his size and potential for backfield blocking.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 11 months ago

Everyone seems to think off the field stuff will remove Miller from the program. Hope not. Either way, I find it funny that everyone, not just you, seem to forget about Sims, who is a pretty good back. I don't see any of these backs (save Miller maybe) leaving, because Pierson is such a different type of back, and Bourbon and Sims can certainly co-exist. I'm with you on Shepherd, hope he stays.

BabyJay2009 10 years, 11 months ago

Matt -

Will there be any articles on status of possible Juco transfers, recruits, who's lefts/who's gone, who is the real target, any target that HCCW and Team are going for here? I'm esp. curious about PSU's Nate Dreiling and who's the Lee's Summit stud linebacker??? Do we have any chances for these 2 at all?

rawkhawk6 10 years, 11 months ago

I went to BYU....grew up a huge KS and ND fan. So I watch all three of them every week. There are alot of doubters for some reason. These are 2 very good QB's. Dane didn't play at ND this year because Kelly made it very clear he wanted his own players. He didn't wan't to play Charlies recruits. If you watched ND football then you know Dane was the best QB on the team. If you watch BYU football then you know Heaps was the best QB on that team. He was benched because they went to a run oriented offense and a run minded QB in Nelson. BYU has a history of very good QB's. If you throw an interception there everyone wants you on the bench. We are not getting anyones leftovers. We are getting 2 great QB's that will fit perfectly into Charlie's offense. And even if they don't live up to #1 in the class 2010 and #2 in the class 2008 they are still miles above what KU had on Wednesday.

middleoftheroader 10 years, 11 months ago

Our decided schematic advantage just got tactically better.

JayHok 10 years, 11 months ago

Read this on link.

"It’s not every day that two former five-star quarterback prospects decide to attend KU — in fact, Kansas had never had a five-star recruit at any position until Thursday. But then again, this is not a normal situation."

Amazing what Weis pulled off yesterday.

RCJ Zenger!

David Robinett 10 years, 11 months ago

Apparently, ND does not offer grad degree in Basket Weaving.

"Crist has one year of eligibility left. Because he has completed his undergraduate work, the NCAA will allow him to play his final season at another school that offers a graduate program that Notre Dame doesn’t offer."

actorman 10 years, 11 months ago

It's pretty funny that you have Self as your avatar and make such a ridiculous statement about KU basketball. It's true that this year will probably be a down year, but I'd hardly call that the same thing as a "down swing" (could you perhaps mean a "downward swing?"). Considering the tremendous recruits coming in next year--including the two that are ineligible this year, I'd say the program is in fine shape. And having one of the best coaches in the country never hurts.

jgrobb 10 years, 11 months ago

actor - zip it. that BEAT-DOWN in last year's tourney will not soon be forgotten..................

actorman 10 years, 11 months ago

And oh, BTW, would you consider last year's 35-3 record to be part of the "down swing?" Or are you just talking about their 8-3 record so far in this one partial season? That would be more like a hammock than a swing.

wildjayhawk 10 years, 11 months ago

Missouri sure looked good last night against Illinois. Both teams looked as they both will be in the NCAA tournament and could do well.

Steve Brown 10 years, 11 months ago

when I plant lettuce in my garden and it does not grow I don't blame the lettuce, rather the soil, light, water, weeding and care.

boys, gardeners, lettuce and coaches; it's going to be a bountiful harvest next fall.

JayHok 10 years, 11 months ago

Well the mystery of the Topeka Capital journal has been solved. They finally reported on it. What's interesting is the 45 comments under it. Instead of State fans saying wow or good luck, there's a bunch of posers saying Weis is defensive coach Crist is a 3 star, Heaps is 3 star, Grunhard plays charades, etc. The posers can't even say congratulations.

Admittedly getting ready for the Cotton Bowl the hype in Kansas is on Weis and Pitt State Gorillas. I'm sure that doesn't feel great that their season is being overlooked for a couple days by the media.

Personally I think Snyder is great and have a great deal of respect for what he does. I'm rooting for the Cats in the Cotton Bowl. Too bad a couple---or 40---- bad apples spoil the psychology of their 10-2 season by becoming obsessed with a team they've soundly beaten the last two seasons. Focus on Arkansas, KSU fans, not Weis!

RCJ Zenger!

Bville Hawk 10 years, 11 months ago

"psychology of their 10-2 season by becoming obsessed with a team they've soundly beaten the last two seasons"

See: collective inferiority complex

jgrobb 10 years, 11 months ago

not really bee-ville. As I sated earlier, you're one of the dumbest posters I've seen on here in a long time.. K-State rocks in football and we suck (currently).. those is the facts................

Bville Hawk 10 years, 11 months ago

"and we suck (currently).. "

Can't argue with you there.

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