Saturday, December 10, 2011

KU coach Bill Self: Kevin Young ‘bailed us out’

Junior scores season-high 14 points against Ohio State

Kansas forward Kevin Young flashes a smile after taking a charge against an Ohio State player during the first half Saturday, Dec. 10, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas forward Kevin Young flashes a smile after taking a charge against an Ohio State player during the first half Saturday, Dec. 10, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse.


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Kansas coach Bill Self talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 78-67 victory over Ohio State on Dec. 10, 2011.

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Kansas defeated Ohio State, 78-67 on Saturday, Dec. 10, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kevin Young’s breakout performance Saturday surprised Kansas University basketball coach Bill Self as much as anyone.

“I haven’t seen that, or if I have seen it, then certainly we’ve made a mistake by not playing him as much,” Self said following KU’s 78-67 victory over Ohio State. “But that was something today like his coming-out game.”

Young, a 6-foot-8, 185-pound junior, finished with a season-high 14 points, making six of eight shots, which included his first six field-goal attempts.

Young also contributed four rebounds and an assist to go with a turnover in his 24 minutes.

“Kevin really bailed us out,” Self said. “I thought he was just terrific. That’s the Kevin Young we thought we recruited. Maybe this will give him the confidence moving forward. We could use another weapon.”

The Perris, Calif., native played 16 minutes in the second half; coming in, the most minutes he’d played in an entire game at KU was 14.

Self admitted that much of the reason for Young’s early playing time was trying to get a quicker defender on Ohio State’s Deshaun Thomas.

Thomas, OSU’s 6-foot-7 forward, scored 15 points in the first half on 5-for-8 shooting, including 3-for-5 three-point shooting.

In the second half, with Young as his primary defender, Thomas had just four points on 2-for-6 shooting.

“Kevin probably had as much to do with us winning the game as anything,” Self said. “He scored points for us, but he did a great job on Thomas the second half. Great job.”

Young also showed an outside shooting touch, going 2-for-3 from three-point range.

“I think it just came together,” Young said. “My shots were falling. I got great open shots thanks to my teammates being able to move the ball and penetrate.”

Asked about his individual effort, Young said he was most proud of his ability to set screens to free up others.

“I think a lot of players really don’t see the screens as a big deal in the game,” Young said, “but not only did it help my teammates get open, it helped me get open as well.”

The bottom line for Self was that KU played better with Young in the game.

“He hasn’t been defending like that. He hasn’t been aggressive like that. He hasn’t been a loose-ball guy like that in practice,” Self said. “But today, he was a combination of everything, so I thought he was terrific.”


ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 12 months ago

If a fight like the uc/Xavier game would of broken out in front of our bench, and I was playing, I would of turned and grabbed charlie's cane and started doing some work!

Kansas1241 10 years, 12 months ago

Charlie is using that cane to beat his football players with when they screw up this season...little different than push-over Turner Gill saying something like "good try keep believing"...glad we finally have a REAL coach.

Steve Gantz 10 years, 12 months ago

No he can't hit them with it, isn't that why we don't have Mangino anymore?!

Martin Shupert 10 years, 12 months ago

Dumb comment. It's an understatement to say fighting like that has no place in college basketball. I hope both teams finish out the year with walk ons.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 12 months ago

Sometimes it does happen...

(Not condoning, please don't jump down my throat. Just sayin'....)

halvhawk 10 years, 12 months ago

it's completely different when it's a fight between good (KU) vs evil (mu)

Eric Williams 10 years, 12 months ago

I'm guessing there might have been some racial tension there...just sayin.

Watch the :24 second mark, a white MU and white KU player fists cocked, back away and go find someone else to fight.

Bellator 10 years, 12 months ago

"They are trying to get the band to play. There's our national anthem"


SaltLakeHawk 10 years, 12 months ago

The post game was almost more ridiculous than the fight itself. I can't believe those pieces of s*** were even allowed to speak. And when they do open their mouths, they talk about being "gangsters" and "where I'm from"? If Xavier has any brains at all, they'll expel those two morons. They just made their school look like a gang-infested ghetto instead an institution of higher learning..

Imagine if a KU player said that to the media!? He'd probably be chased out of Lawrence.

That being said, I was thoroughly entertained by both the fight and the post game. Seriously had me laughing, probably along with the rest of the country. Both schools are the butt of this national joke.

Steve Gantz 10 years, 12 months ago

As an inner city high school teåcher I'm glad whenever a kid gets a chance to play college ball. What people don't realize is that a lot of these kids, including the kids I teach, fighting is a means of survival. Yes they need to be taught better. Yes they need to understand that America views this behavior and gives them the labels of thug, ghetto, moron, etc. They're the result of a very broken culture and, believe it or not, you'd find a lot of these same kids pleasant to be around.
I guess I'm just trying to say they're not pieces of s***. I don't condone it in any manner what they did, but trying to help people understand a little better who these kids are.

FinalFour1993 10 years, 12 months ago

Thank you wissoxfan83. Let's try to fix the broken culture, our broken culture. Despite being completely sickened by their words and behavior, I cannot blame them for what they've been taught and shown.

SaltLakeHawk 10 years, 12 months ago

FinalFour and wissoxfan, your comments appear to come from a place of empathy, and I commend you for that. But it sounds like you're saying "we should forgive them because of their background." That's kind-hearted, but it's also...

B U L L S * * T.

And counterproductive.

It's a cold-hard world full of consequences. Nature needs to take its course on this. Xavier needs to kick these proud "gangsters" to the curb, just like any corporation would do if they pulled that crap in a professional work environment. Yeah, it's (somewhat) sad for them, but society as a whole is infinitely better served. Around the country, kids in ghettos (who you obviously want to help) will watch and take note, hopefully learning a valuable lesson about acceptable behavior outside of the ghetto. That lesson gets completely lost if these guys get a free-pass due to their upbringing.

This deterministic, "victim of my past" BS is running rampant through this country, and I'm sick of it. It leaves Z E R O room for free-will and therefore, accountability. And a world without accountability... sucks.

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 12 months ago

Agree with wissixfan83. That post game interview never should have taken place and IMO, espn shoiuld never have aired it.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 12 months ago

What was the coach thinking letting his players even attend the press conference? Not a good job of protecting your players coach...

LAJayhawk 10 years, 12 months ago

Young look solid. But this is another example of what I love about Self. Even while he is commending a guy, he's giving him the backhand at the same time...

“He hasn’t been defending like that. He hasn’t been aggressive like that. He hasn’t been a loose-ball guy like that in practice..."

I love Self. Saying, essentially, Kevin, you did well, but this is why I've been up your a## at practice. This is what I know you can do. Do this more.

Always coaching.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 12 months ago

One of the big surprises of the season! In no special order: 1. Kevin Young Needs to improve on defense. 2. Wesley Stop fouling! 3. Withey Go stronger to the hoop but major improvements in every vaspect of his game.

Alohahawk 10 years, 12 months ago

I may be wrong, but didn't Young force two or was it three charging fouls against Ohio State?

Good job, Kevin. Your performance should help the coaching staff rest a bit easier. Continue improving, adding to what you did right today, and KU's bench will look much stronger during future games. Plus, our starters will gain some game time breathers.

BTW, just sent an E:Mail to the North Pole advising Santa to add another name to his "good" list. Rumor is, he checks it twice, so keep being good.

Mel Clare 10 years, 12 months ago

3 of them and a couple were late in the game when it was around a 6 point lead.............he did a great job tonight

Dan Pawlowski 10 years, 12 months ago

Yes and I hope our other guys took notes on how to take a charge.

tical523 10 years, 12 months ago

Kevin Young , gotta love him. I beleive his days as an assistant coach give him great perspective and he is such a team player. I really, really, reallly hope this game springboards his role as a Jayhawk. Keep it up Kevin, I love what you bring to the team.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 12 months ago

Learning from the masters. He's a mature player/coach that's only been under the wing for a few months. His game should explode this year. He should be giving Robinson-esque minutes off the bench by February.

REHawk 10 years, 12 months ago

We have not seen Jesse's +/- on the minutes which Kevin has been in contests, but I have maintained that he always has produced more positive stats per minutes played on the offensive end than anyone other than T-Rob and TT. Now that Bill Self can trust his defense, Kevin should really help this team as we move toward league competition.

Steve Yeakel 10 years, 12 months ago

Way to go Kevin, great job, so glad to see you play so well.

ku_foaf 10 years, 12 months ago

Young was great. Withey was great. Way to go TyShawn, more than makes up for the Hawaii fluke. There is balance in the universe.

kerbyd 10 years, 12 months ago

Looks like TT will be out for 3 weeks... needing surgery.

TexasHawk44 10 years, 12 months ago

If Young plays with that energy and intelligence going forward we may have a chance to be a lot better than many analysts gave us credit for. Whitney played fantastic against LBS (who gave North Carolina a hell of a game too) and now Young in this one. It was good to see some pieces pulling together in the past two games. Great to see EJ have a terrific game as well. All a sign of great coaching by Coach Self and his staff. As much as Tyshawn has driven me insane with his complete disregard for caring for the ball and not having any sense of the moment of the game, we will miss him. Hopefully he is back soon. There is a reason Tharpe has not seen the floor lately. Something has been Self's craw with him and I am sure for good reason. Still the kid has shown talent, hopefully he will play well and grow as some PT opens up during Tyshawn's absence. Great win for KU! Rock Chalk!

ParisHawk 10 years, 12 months ago

The last time was probably Christian Moody. True glue.

ParisHawk 10 years, 12 months ago

The "last time" question was specifically about taking charges in crunch time.

02/24/05 vs. #4 Oklahoma State. We won 81-79. Moody took a charge with very little time left on the clock. How easy do you think it is to get that call near the end of the game?

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

Memo to KY:

  1. Read what Self said: “He hasn’t been defending like that. He hasn’t been aggressive like that. He hasn’t been a loose-ball guy like that in practice,” Self said. “But today, he was a combination of everything, so I thought he was terrific.”

  2. Watch the tape of the game.

  3. Visualize doing it in practice.

  4. Do it in practice.

If you do this, you will be a 20-30 minute man in games for the rest of the season by combining time at the 3 and 4.

I think Self may have run into a guy as positive as he is.

KY never got down even a little.

He just kept smiling and believing till this December day.

How very Selfian.

And KY is every bit as defiantly positive as Self.

Self sounded like a wife who's husband finally did what she wanted him to do in a way she didn't expect him to be able to do it, and so is torn between liking it and doubting it can happen again because she doesn't understand why he could do it this time, but not last.

KY refused to say he played better defense or hustled for loose balls or defended more aggressively, even though he did.

He stubbornly insisted the most important part of his game was his screening!

I love it!

How much like Bill Self!!

I'm not giving you what you want until you give me what I want!

I won't say I'm doing the things you say I'm doing.

I'll pick out something you didn't say, something I know you love, and say I'm doing that better!!!

Irresistable force meet immovable object.

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

No wonder Self and KY have been slow developing and Self has been flummoxed.

They are both so busy being stubbornly, defiantly optimistic that neither of them can quite get on the same page.

But once they do....look out!!!!!!

Kevin is definitely a coach waiting to happen.

He has that kind of will Self and LB have.

He seems to have that kind of will Danny Manning has.

In fact, Danny's probably been sitting at home at night laughing his head off at this war of wills between Self and KY.

Danny knows exactly what's going on here.

Danny went through this with Larry Brown.

That senior season of Danny's, people forget how much Brown and Manning butted heads.

This is the old bull and the young bull in the pasture with no cows.

This is head butting between two bulls with nothing to gain, just because they can.

Its just because they are bulls and don't know what else to do but butt heads!

Shoot, Self might as well make him a player coach next season.

Danny and Joe and Kurtis have to laughing themselves silly at this situation.

Seeing Self, Mr. Master Button Pusher, running into a kid who's as bull headed as Self is about being optimistic!!

I'm tearing up from laughter as I'm typing this.

Man, are there going to be some control issues between these two guys, but you can be darned sure that Self recognizes the will to be positive no matter what and that he is just trying to find the right buttons to push to get KY to give him what the team needs.

And KY, being a future coach, knows what the team needs, but is determined to give it to Self in the way he thinks would help the team most.

Two guy separate by common goal! :-)

Hey, Coach Self, if you want to figure out how to coach Kevin Young, just call Paul Hansen, or your dad! :-)

Eddie? Eddie Sutton? Get out of the damn War Eagle down on Grand Lake of the Cherokees and come help Bill with Kevin. Give him a call instead of filling your live box with another ten fish you'll have to give to friends. Bill doesn't need help very often, but this is a tough one, because its in his blind spot!

Some times those most like us are hardest for us to understand!

Rock Chalk!

Debbie Mangen 10 years, 12 months ago

This may have been covered before, but I haven't seen anything about the missing tooth from Justin Wesley's mouth. Has anyone said when and how it happened?

Robert Murphy 10 years, 12 months ago

I think bill self knocked it out in practice because he was mad at Kevin Young. What do you think Jaybate?

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago


I think it is a clever media strategy aimed at distracting KU fans from the Charlie Weis hiring. I also suspect Mossad involvement. And there is a slim chance that the Center for the Use of Sports Disinformation to Accelerate Regime Change in Pakistan in the Run Up to Invading Iran has a role

One thing we know for sure: MU is involved. :-)

Ben Simonett 10 years, 12 months ago

Everybody take a breath,

now think back to the Tharpe hype after the two exhibition games.

I'm not saying Young can't become the guy we saw on Saturday, but lets not get overly excited by one game.

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 12 months ago

One can't conclude after 2 or 3 games the level of play of these kids. Tharpe, Young, and others need more playjng time over the season and then we judge.

Robert Murphy 10 years, 12 months ago

Kevin Young is a junior and this is his third year of D1 ball with a year off between two and three to think about it. He proved to all last night why Bill Self wanted him.

rockchalkchalkin23 10 years, 12 months ago

Check his stats against Wesley's. He has had contributions in the little time he has had every game. Not just this one.

Robert Murphy 10 years, 12 months ago

With that smile Kevin Young can play on my team anytime.

hawksince51 10 years, 12 months ago

Young gave us the first significant contribution from the bench this season. I feel a little better about our depth now. With TT out for a few weeks we will learn more about Nadir and hopefully he will develop and add bench strength so that TT does not have to play 35+ minutes at the Point when he returns.

Robert Murphy 10 years, 12 months ago

Lebowski you are a true gentleman and a scholar. Your post contributed a lot to the dialogue and I can't wait for the next one. I think it is unconscionable that your posts are being removed. what is the world coming too?

Rodney Stice 10 years, 12 months ago

Lebowski, I am ashamed that you breathe the same air as the rest of humanity. Your profane and vile rant on a public website is nothing less then subhuman. I hope that you are not like this in person. I'll pray for you.

jaybate 10 years, 12 months ago

Finally took the blue pill and watched the u2b feeds of Xavier and Natti.

It just looked like any old playground fight to me. They should all be suspended from play for the rest of the semester, but beyond that was about it.

Before I comment further, I am old.

I quit going to play on the big city playgrounds in the early 1980s.

With that said, this fight just seemed like the ones I used to see, and occasionally get involved in.

The rule used to be the African Americans would yell and push and slap punch each other, which is more ritual than real punching, and only throw hay makers at the Euro-Americans. Everyone used to understand and abide by this. Euro-Americans with brains never waded into fights. Euro-Americans back peddled with fists cocked and ready and let the African Americans do their ritualized pushing, yelling and slap punching among themselves. The rule was they taunted you, but never pursued and never threw haymakers except if you where stupid enough to wade in and then they only pu nched hard once they had good blind side shots you wouldn't recover from.

I never got hit once, because I got coached not to wade in. If you don't get surrounded you don't get a haymaker, just an occasional slap punch. Retreating in playground fighting is not shameful. Cowardly fighting is all playground fighting is.

The only dolt that got hurt appeared to be a Euro-American who forgot and waded in. Predictably, two guys occupied him, while another guy came in blind side and unloaded a haymaker probably not about the game, but about racial payback.

The reverse happens in racist Euro-American neighborhood. Whatever the fight is about, the haymaker gets delivered to the African American from the blind side, when caught in greater numbers, then the kick them while they are down begins.

This sort of fighting should not be condoned.

But punishing the players is not enough.

The coaching staff needs to fofeit games and the school needs to be forced to give its money back. There would never be another fight at a college game if the schools had to forfeit games and give up money.

But no one really wants to stop this, or the refs would not be allowed to call the games as they do, and the schools would already be required to give up their gates.

Jackalope7 10 years, 12 months ago

Been waiting for Young to have a breakout game. Always thought he was better then most people believed. Keep it rolling my man.

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