Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Alabama prep Trevor Lacey to visit

Bill Self has successful in-home recruiting visit


Kansas University basketball coach Bill Self had a successful in-home recruiting visit Monday night with Trevor Lacey, a 6-foot-3, 200-pound senior guard from Butler High in Huntsville, Ala.

Describing the time spent with Self as “awesome,” Lacey’s father, William Pride, told that his son will make an official visit to KU on April 29-30 or the following weekend.

Lacey — he averaged 31.4 points a game last season — has a final list of KU, Alabama, Auburn, UConn and Kentucky.

Until recently, Alabama had been considered the heavy favorite to land the No. 34-rated Lacey, who reportedly is intrigued by the possibility of significant playing time as a freshman at a national power such as KU.

The spring signing period concludes May 18.

Daniels update

DeAndre Daniels, a 6-foot-8, 190-pound senior forward from IMG Academies in Bradenton, Fla., visited Duke last weekend.

“From everything I’ve heard, he had a really good visit,” IMG Academies director of basketball Andy Borman told Monday, as reported on “I know it’s kind of the standard Big Three, which would be Duke, Texas, Kansas,” Borman added of Daniels’ favorites.

The No. 9-rated Daniels has made trips to his three favorites, as well as Kentucky and Oregon.

Coaches from North Carolina State and UCLA are expected to attend one of Daniels’ practices this week, Borman added.

Traylor treks to OSU

Jamari Traylor, a 6-7 senior forward from IMG Academies, visited Oklahoma State last weekend. IMG’s Borman told that Traylor is in the process of setting up a visit to KU. Traylor, who is unranked, also has Indiana, St. John’s, Texas Tech, Memphis and Mississippi State on his list.


ESPN’s Joe Lunardi already has put out a projected bracket for the 2012 NCAA Tournament. He has KU a No. 7 seed in the Midwest Regional, ticketed for a first-round game against No. 10-seed Wichita State. His No. 1 seeds are Kentucky, North Carolina, Texas and Ohio State.


ldjayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

No way KU will be a 7 next year. We might be a bit short in winning the Big 12, but surely can have a 20 plus win season and get to sweet sixteen. And are we officially recurit Taylor?

Ben Simonett 11 years, 5 months ago

do you know what our non conference schedule looks like next year?

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 5 months ago

I would think most KU fans know we will play in the Champions Classic as well as the Maui Invitational. If anything, these games will make us better as well as attracting some of the few remaining big-time recruits. No way will we be worse than a 4 seed.

Eric Dawson 11 years, 5 months ago

Yes, KU is recruiting TRAYlor (not recruiting another Taylor).

Self would like at least another SG and another Big, preferably more, to fill a few more of the 5 scholarships currently available after getting commitments from Naadir Tharpe, Ben McLemore and Braeden Anderson.

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 5 months ago

What we don''t need: Another non-ranked prospect who will tie up a scholarship for four yrs. Let's get Lacy and Daniels and hold onto a few scholarships.

lee3022 11 years, 5 months ago

I am remembering folks here who made that exact complaint when coach Self signed Darnell Jackson. Four years later he was a big piece of our latest national championship. Ratings don't mean much. Often only that a player did not play AAU ball.

jayhawkarmy 11 years, 5 months ago

I love it! The less pressure on this years team, the more we can prove the critics wrong. So don't pick KU too win the big 12 or go far in the tournament, that takes the spotlight off of us.

Helen Gross 11 years, 5 months ago

Every yr we r a high seed and get everyone's best game ever. I like a 7th seed no pressure, sneak right into the finals!

Chris Bruning 11 years, 5 months ago

pick up Lacey and Daniels and we got the big 12 and another deep run into the tourney. Oh and yet another Big 12 COY award to Bill Self.

Jhawker400 11 years, 5 months ago

I think Lacey and Daniels are so important just because of their ability to put points on the board. Its clear we have 5 guys to build off of Withey, Robinson, Releford, EJ, and TT. But when you are searching for your best 8 like to have more than 8 blue-chippers to pick from. I think people will be pleasantly surprised with B-Anderson and Tharpe too. I just doubt we can really compete for the B12 Title without a couple more immediate contributors as far as recruiting goes.

I like the idea of not signing too many more guys only because it appears we have a good shot at like 10-12 guys in the Rivals Top 50. My math has us sitting as such (Little, BMorn, Ty, Twin, Twin, Selby, Royce, and the unused scholie we gave to Connor). So we have 8 to give. Lets say we only sign 5. We have 3 remaining going into next season with Tyshawn and T-Rob (very likely NBA bound). Again with the math, that gives us 5 to recruit with next year. With all those guys listing KU as a serious option, and ZPete already in the fold you want AT LEAST 4 scholarships available. Make the Class of 2012 the dominant force in Big12 play for 4 years!!!!

For both T-Lace and DD it should be clear. You want to play at a big time program, KU has 30 minutes per game for both of you!!!


gratefultyler 11 years, 5 months ago

Cal and Self visit Lacey less than 24 hours apart. Lacey is visiting KU next weekend after the "holiday weekend". Is he visiting UK? Or is Self the recruiting mastermind we all believe? Has his list of finalist been narrowed to Ala or KU?

This article almost makes Daniels seems less certain. Big 3? If he wants playing time at the 3 or 4, Texas is out. We have it available.

Stupid preseason rankings. Never looked at them since they had Missery at #3 that one year. No need to comment on last seasons preseason rankings. But I do agree with the 4 #1 seeds. Seems like a no brainer unless Texas folds down the stretch as usual, Cal finally gets caught cheating at UK, and/or random injury pops up at OSU. All very possible outcomes given the previous decade of experience. (please don't thing I'm wishing for random injury. That's cruel. Certainly hoping or waiting for the other 2 with a smile though, just a matter of when not if IMHO).

I for one am excited to see Self take another group of young men to new heights! RCJH

phi4life940 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm pretty sure Daniels is going to go to Duke. There is an article somewhere, where kyrie irving slips up and says something about Daniels going to Duke next year. Hope it's not true.

Joe Baker 11 years, 5 months ago

If so, then why wait? Commit already. Well as it turns out, Anderson played with Daniels at the Pangos High School games and he tweeted for people "not to be surprised if Daniels goes to KU." He went on to say, "I might know something."

So, it can't be both. I'd say too that with Hamilton staying at ut another year, that pretty much eliminates them. I'd say it's down to KU and dook. Also, with Anderson's comment and Christian Garrett, KU has a solid chance. He is simply being thorough with all his options after his ut decommit. He wants to make the best possible choice. I support him either way. If we can land Daniels and/or Lacey, it's all good.

Eric Dawson 11 years, 5 months ago

The Irving article is more than a week old.

Daniels visited Duke this weekend, and has returned home without committing to them.

Yesterday his coach said it's still the Big 3 -- KU, Texas (where he originally committed to, then withdrew his commitment) and Duke. And coaches from NCSt and UCLA will be watching him play this week.

Sounds like he's really undecided to me.

Jarod DeLozier 11 years, 5 months ago

Daniels will go to Duke. They want him to replace Singler. They came in late on him and got him quick. I've said it before on him but you can book it. He's going to Duke.

Joe Baker 11 years, 5 months ago

I've said it before two posts up. If he's going and wants to go with dook, go. Why wait this long? It appears he's undecided. We've had commits do the same thing, aka- Josiah Turner all but signed and they commit to another program.

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 5 months ago

Didn't we have Daniels all but wrapped up but couldn't get the paperwork to enroll him for spring semester?

lee3022 11 years, 5 months ago

Some pretty smart people still expect Josh Hamilton and Thompson to enter the draft. Even if they don't Texas has to shuck the gorilla off their backs about fading at season closing. I do not expect Texas to be a #1 seed. Duke is a better bet.

Alohahawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Preseason rankings don't mean jack. A seven seed doesn't worry me at all. In fact it can be construed as a compliment to Coach Self. Ignoring Dukie V's prediction of 5th in the Big 12, and despite losing it's three top starters, KU was ranked in the top 25 to start the 2010 -2011 season, and proceeded to the top four pretty quickly.

However, with most of the scoring leaders gone and big holes to fill, KU will have to find some offense from the newcomers as well as those non-starters from last year.(Robinson, Releford). I'm sure this has been a selling point for Self on the recruiting trail, because scoring is always high on a new recruit's wish list. That, and playing time. Who will the scoring revolve around during the upcoming season?

With Coach Self's abilities to dominate in each conference he's coached, I believe the Jayhawks have the nucleus to start the 2011 - 2012 season in the top 25. It will be interesting to see if Vitale holds to his midseason admission that the Big 12 championship should run through KU. Texas looks solid, but revue what has happened the last two seasons, and at who is still coaching the Longhorns. Take JoCovan Brown out of their mix and they really haven't played up to their capabilities.

If KU gets Daniels, or Lacey, the Jayhawks can definitely compete with Texas for the Big 12. Oklahoma State will be improved. Iowa State is a wild card with their flood of transfers and newcomers. Baylor has some beef coming in, but is questionable. K State, losing Pullen, should drop. Texas A & M has great coaching, and always competes. I think they may be the big surprise next season. Missery, hard to judge, because of the coaching change. Texas Tech and Oklahoma, also with new coaches. will most likely remain as doormats.

So, my preseason Big 12 (10) rankings: 1. KU and Texas tied 3. Texas A&M 4 Oklahoma State 5. Iowa State (could trade with Oklahoma State for 4th) 6. K State 7. Baylor 8. Missery 9. Texas Tech 10. Oklahoma

Ben Simonett 11 years, 5 months ago

how does adding another guard to our already crowded back court going to help us match up with Texas' front line next year?

Jordan Hamilton is and Tristan Thompson can't wait to combine for 45 and 20 against our 1 man deep(trob) front line next year

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

Benny, Love your realism... I'm literally begging for a 6'10-250 player to sing up but i just don't see them calling. Not for this year, So we go small and spread the floor with midrange, and have Taylor break ankles off the dribble.

We have a few options.... Clearly Thomas Robinson is the LOW in the high low.... We just need Justin Wesley,Braedan Anderson, Jeff Withey, or some other recruit to be able to function as the HIGH....

Deandre Daniles or Traylor BOTH fit that HIGH mold... and we are the highest profile school on his list.... If there was no DeAndre Daniels, we would have locked up Traylor's commitment and focused purely on Lacey..... But Deandre is "ranked higher...." with "better tools...."

Sam Constance 11 years, 5 months ago

Well, we might as well not even line up and play the games. We have a thin frontcourt, and teams with a thin frontcourt have NEVER won anything or had a successful season.

Give me a break. We just might have to change our approach to fit our personnel next year.

Not the end of the world.

Alohahawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Yes, Texas will have Thompson and Hamilton back, but I still think it all funnels down to Self being a far better coach then Barnes. Texas always seems to have great players/recruits the caliber of which should have made them a final four team on a consistent basis. Yet, Kansas has held its own (with the exception of the Robinson misfortune this past season) against them and beaten them more times than not, with what I would consider less quality players.

So, yes, I think we have a very good chance of beating Texas and winning the Big 12/10 championship again this coming season. But we'll need some long range consistency. Hence, a good 3 point shooter.

PS. IMHO, I think Hamilton has been more of a deterent to Texas' winning consistently. He's to much of an individual, not team, player. It's JoCovan Brown that I worry about. He always seems to catch fire against KU.

Michael Pannacciulli 11 years, 5 months ago

Keep the recruiting news coming. Outside of Daniels, Traylor, and Lacey who do we have in the cross hairs?

Jonathan Allison 11 years, 5 months ago

Texas is always a #1 seed in the preseason polls. It's funny how that happens...

jayhawkinATL 11 years, 5 months ago

Yep, and then they proceed to wet the bed just before waking up.

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

With all Do respect to Kansas's Coaching Ability.....

They gave DOGUS BALBAY Meaningful minutes.......

Anyone who expects Dogus Balbay to be a significant contributor to a team on both ends is kidding themselves.... I honestly believe they would have been more formidable with Brown Starting at the point, and just took the lumps without him playing a lick of Defense.....

Next year that will not be an issue, and while i haven't looked at their overall team... they appear to be alot more like the Durant year's teams with capable players at every position.... whether they all gel is a question, whether Barnes could coach a successfully middle high school team is a question, depth will be a question, but having actually players appears to be a reality.

SDSurferFan 11 years, 5 months ago

Just filled out my bracket...too early?

UNC...looks like Roy, got his boy to stay one more year. Hard to see how he can't win another! Arg!

jayhawkinATL 11 years, 5 months ago

Yep, five starters back and their top 7 scorers...damn it!!!!!

KU_alum_2001 11 years, 5 months ago

Easy... they pull an "us" like the past two years. We were supposed to win it with our superior talent last year and then... pop!

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 5 months ago

Yeah..I remember UNC was supposed to win it all a couple of seasons ago and... Wait, they did win it all.

zsn 11 years, 5 months ago

Has Roy ever had a one-and-done, either at KU or UNC? In fact, I think he's had very few underclassmen leave - only two that I can think of at KU: Pierce and Gooden, and they both played 3 years. Same story at UNC. Anyone have actual data on this?

pnl14 11 years, 5 months ago

Marvin Harrison...and he didnt even start.

lee3022 11 years, 5 months ago

Marvin Williams from his 1st championship was a freshman and left/ He was 6th man as well. Considering how Marvin has played in the NBA he made a wise choice to grab while he could (2nd pick in the draft).

Martin Rosenblum 11 years, 5 months ago

KU as a 7 seed, per Lunardi, and WSU a 10th seed! It's going to be one of the most "busted" bracketology forecasts in history!

Did Dickie V help him with this predictions?

Justin Lindsley 11 years, 5 months ago

Barnes is going back to UNC. He is better than Selby!! What is Selby thinking? I hope it works out for him!! We barely knew him anyway. I like to watch players develop over time. It was fun to watch the twins come in as freshman and look kind of lost and see what they were able to accomplish. Even Brady and Reed. Watched them for a long time... Hinrich, Collison, LaFrentz, Manning, Pollard, Robertson, Langford, Miles, Simien, A. Jordan, R. Walters, Jaque Vaughn............. the list is endless. Selby won't be remembered much as a Jayhawk, but he is one. Good Luck!!!

Helen Gross 11 years, 5 months ago

Didn't Selby say that he wasn't for sure if he was going to the NBA, but he was not coming back to KU?

Kevin Huffman 11 years, 5 months ago

Taylor/ Tharpe Lacey/ E.Johnson McLemore/ Releford / Teahen Tho.Robinson/ Br. Anderson Withey/ Wesley

Starting to look like that might be teh main bulk of the team right there.

Starting to seem more and more and more likely that D.Daniels is going to Duke.

I bet Garrett would the 12th man.

LJ Gee 11 years, 5 months ago

Couple of thoughts. first, I love being underrated and overlooked - I think we play better that way and I think HCBS is at his best in those times. But there is no way we are going to be a 7 seed. I think that is laughable. Second, I have a really good feeling about Trevor Lacey becoming a Jayhawk. A week or so ago everywhere I looked this guy was down to Kentucky and Alabama but as soon as Selby declared for the draft I started seeing reports of him insisting KU was still in play. If Self can feature him in the offense and promise him significant playing time, I think he's ours. Lacey has been on my dream list of spring recruits for a while so Im really excited to see us gaining ground there. Can you imagine if we were able to land Daniels and Lacey? That would be an unreal class - Tharpe, Lacey, BMac, Daniels, and Anderson - to go with TT, EJ, and TRob. Im sorry, but that mix of young talent, experience, and senior leadership to go with championship coaching would make us instant contenders both within our conference and nationally. The future is looking bright. Rock Chalk

Steve Gantz 11 years, 5 months ago

I don't remember being underrated and overlooked during Self's tenure. I know Dicky V picked us 5th last year but that was an anomaly among the preseason picks. Ultimately those who rated us 5-10th in the country (at the beginning of the season) got it just right if you look at making an elite 8 and then losing. I too am excited about Lacey. Anytime you hear of someone averaging 31 a game, plus 5 or 6 boards, that raises your eyebrows in excitement.

LJ Gee 11 years, 5 months ago

I suppose its all relative, but when you look at the national media, they usually have us ranked in or near the top 10 but we always take a back seat to UNC, Duke, Kentucky or whoever else it is that becomes the media darling that year (i.e. Memphis in 2008). In 2008, we were the last 1 seed and going into the Big 12 Championship game, everyone expected UT to win and take that seed. We never got as much credit as Memphis, UNC, and UCLA that year - until we won the ship that is. In 2009 we were expected to be barely relevant during a rebuilding year and we made it to the sweet 16 and won more conference championships. Then this year, granted we were in the top 10 or close to it, we were completely overlooked all season for Ohio State, Duke, UT, or whatever other team looked like a championship team at that time. Compare that to 2010 when we were preseason #1 and I thought, despite having a successful season, we never reached our ceiling. And of course look at HCBS postseason record in games in which we are the heavy favorite. I just think he is at his best when the spotlight is not on us and as a team, we play our best when we feel disrespected. No doubt this is the type of thing that will give them a reason to feel that way...although who knows what the predictions will be once we land Lacey and Daniels.

Steve Gantz 11 years, 5 months ago

It is an interesting theory. This year however being overlooked for Texas-they beat us, Duke-Defending champ and looking like it again til Irving got hurt, and OSU, well they looked very good and I'm still surprised they didn't win it all.

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 5 months ago

Lacey brings immediate impact and is probably going to stay a couple of years. Having Ben and Lacey would be quite a coup. We still need another big.. Would love to get Aaric Murray but wouldn't play till 12-13. Daniels is by far the best forward left but looking less likely. Maybe a JUCO is best..we did good w/Little.

Steve Gantz 11 years, 5 months ago

The seeding committee couldn't even get it right 1 week before the tourney started, how on earth is this doofus picking a tourney for next year? Recruiting isn't even done. If KU achieves all of their remaining goals, they'll probably be better than a 7. However if they don't get any of these guys, then a 7 is very possible, unless the talent we already have works their buns off all summer, and comes with a desire, a drive to finish the task next year.

Jack Wilson 11 years, 5 months ago

Suggesting that we can't be a #7 seed is a bit arrogant, I would say.

If we don't get Daniels or Lacey, this recruiting class is (on paper) a major disappointment. We struck out on nearly everyone major recruit we pursued. We can make excuses that the twins and Selby's potential return effected that, but it is the same problem that Duke, UNC, Kentucky, etc. deal with each season. Look at their classes.

What is painfully obvious, though, is that we are dangerously thin in the post. We have TRob, Withey, an unranked freshman, and a walk-on. Anyone who tries to dress that up is either an eternal optimist, or a complete homer. When I see the Morris twins, TRob, and Withey as our four post players, I'm optimistic. That's realistic. When I see what we have for next season, I'm pessimistic. That's realistic. The results can always be different from the outlook.

Not a grand slam .. perhaps a single, getting thrown out trying to stretch it to a double.

Anybody that thinks it is an impossibility that we are a #7 seed should take a step back and get some perspective here. Remove the crimson and blue colored glasses, perhaps.

  1. Schedule: We get Kentucky and Ohio St. non-con; At Maui with Duke, Georgetown, UCLA, Michigan; 4 wins vs. Nebraska and Colorado are gone. Add south opponents a second time.
  2. Ben McLemore is described by many as raw. Heard a recruiting guy say on the radio that it would not be a surprise that he would struggle as a freshman. Heard others say he will step right in an make an impact. He's our top guy in this class. If we've learned anything, don't buy the hype until it's proven on the court. And I really haven't heard major "hype" anyway. But how many freshman have provided a major impact under Self? It's at least a 50% chance he won't.
  3. Tyshawn Taylor: Although some here follow this guy with blind loyalty, reality says he will play a bit better than he did last season. We can be optimistic. Yes we can. But reality says to be guarded. A bit better than last season won't cut it.
  4. Post: Dangerously thin .. really unbelievable. Imagine TRob in foul trouble. Imagine TRob hurt. Imagine Anderson being less than serviceable. Imagine Withey being Cheno-Withey, or just being the current Withey. There are many more scenarios where this goes bad vs. going good. We will be on pins and needles every game waiting for crappy officials to call crappy touch fouls on TRob. The guy got in foul trouble many times this season just by looking at his opponent. And sure, we have the walk-on Wesley. Some have crowned the guy already as a major player. But seriously, in our projections, can we reasonably see him as major contributor yet?

LJ Gee 11 years, 5 months ago

I dont disagree with anything you said but you seem to be forgetting that we have HCBS. Im no homer, but I put a lot of faith in this guy, especially in situations like these. In fact, this is exactly when Self is at his best. His best coaching jobs have been with teams that have not had elite talent all over the court. Think about 2009 - I know we had Sherron and Cole on that team, but both were stepping into the starting role for the first time and Cole was seeing significant playing time for the first time. While both had high expectations, it was somewhat of a question mark as to how well they would handle those roles. The rest of the team was, at that time, nothing more than potential and look what Self did with that team. I agree with everything youre saying from a talent standpoint, but I really dont see us being a 7 seed (which would basically mean we would finish the season unranked) while we have Coach Self. Maybe that is a bit of homerism on my part, but I think thats reality. Im all for keeping the rose (or crimson) colored glasses off and being realistic in my evaluation of this team, but you simply cannot underestimate the impact CS has on this program

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 5 months ago

I agree if we don't get anyone else but betting on Self to work some magic.. JUCO?? Still, with our guards, we could play small and have a good year. Guess that by the time Champions Classic & Maui Invitational are history we will see where we stand. Good chance we could play Duke twice. The first will be at the Georgia Dome, November 12, 2013 The 2nd will be at the Maui..but not guaranteed (at least I think not) Good post usual.

lee3022 11 years, 5 months ago

Your glass IS half empty. However the half that is full is a good half. I choose to be an optimist and that is mostly based upon watching this coach year after year beat the naysayers. He has the summer to build up bodies. He has the fall to play some very good teams and this is always good for young players to discover they can play with these teams and to learn and grow. About the time the league starts the team will be dangerous. Yes, we do play the teams in the Big XII twice. That means they all have to play in Lawrence. I like those odds. KSU and MU will be worse and Iowa State is still struggling to stay afloat. Ku can finish the league 14-4 and that should win the championship once again.

Our backcourt will be fine. Our wings will be inexperienced except for Releford but with talent. Our bigs start out with potentially the best big in the league. The rest become role players. Remember the year we held the #1 ranking with a walk-on playing a starting big? We still have not seen Justin Wesley play but growing up with Keith Langley cannot be all bad. Also a year of practicing with the team should have toughened him for post duty. I do expect Daniels to commit. He can get better PT here and have as good a showcase. Perhaps it depends on how eager coach K is in acquiring him. I don't think he is going to Texas. He was prepared to sign here in January but we did not then have a scholarship.

I don't care what BSPN thinks. The selection committee will love the schedule we play this year and will reward it as they have in the past for teams playing tough schedules.

Jack Wilson 11 years, 5 months ago

(cont) 5. Releford: Perhaps the guy I'm most optimistic about. But many on this message board aren't. In assessing next season, I'd put the chances at 30% that he flops. 6. EJ: I am a fan, yes. But I was a bit underwhelmed by the lack of aggressiveness on the offensive end. Perhaps that was a Self-imposed (or self-imposed) straightjacket -- read that either way. But in any case, no real evidence of "studness" yet. 7. Tharpe: Again, a freshman .. playing behind Taylor. Could make us better by being a true point guard. But does anyone think Self will play Tharpe over Taylor .. Self loves Taylor, which is one fact we do know. And Tharpe may not be ready. Don't know. 8. 3 point shooting: A scary proposition here. No twins to supplement the attack. No guys you can say with certainty that are 40% .. a good case that the best we have is a 35% guy .. maybe. We can't be sure anyone will step up. Teahan will not get big minutes, unless we have some horrific Brady-remake. In 2009-10, his shooting was poor. Hope that's not the basket where our eggs are placed. At best, this is big time Q.

Ok, so you think we can't be a #7 seed? Guys, we could be a #10 .. or a #11. Things turn poor, we're on the bubble.

On the other hand, we have a terrific regular season coach. And that's all we're talking about now. But you have to have the weapons. Nothing is a sure thing next season.

Andy Tweedy 11 years, 5 months ago

I have stated on here before that I, too, am mortified by our lack of 3-point shooting going into next year. Hopefully, someone will rise up, but at this point I don't know who it would be. Everyone has talked about the lack of front court depth, but good 3-point shooting is a major concern to me. I think it's rebuilding time, but rebuilding at KU doesn't mean 15-15, it means a lower seed in the tourney. We are so spoiled!!!

selfishhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

We've been spoiled. I don't think 15-15 is out of the question if Self doesn't get Daniels or another big guy stud. We have plenty of guards - Lacey would be a bonus, but we dont need him next year.

AverageCitizen 11 years, 5 months ago

selfish- Are you nuts? When was the last time KU lost 15 games? Do you even know about basketball? There have been only three times since 1898 that KU has lost 15 games. Ted Owens did it twice (1982-83 and 71-72) and Phog Allen did it once (1947). That's 112 years!

Bill Self at KU averages just 6 losses per year for 8 years and has FOUR 30 wins seasons. Is this the coach you think will lose 15 games? UNREAL!

Oh, and when you say Lacey is a bonus? What 'load of guards' are you referring to? Lacey is ranked #34 and can shoot lights out. We always can use shooters. We've have 7 scholarships to give and only have 3 signed so far. Daniels is #9 ranked.

If you believe we will lose 15 games, surely you can't be saying we should pass on signing #9 and #34 to our team.

Hank Cross 11 years, 5 months ago

I continue to be optimistic about Releford and EJ. I think both of them need to play extended minutes without the fear of the hook to see what they really have. If they can't produce next year, it's their own fault and I won't complain if they have to ride the bench as seniors. The perimeter 5 of TT, EJ, Travis, Ben, and Tharpe is quite serviceable and I don't see the need for Lacey.

The froncourt is the problem. Definitely need to add some muscle and size there or a 7 or lower seed is a real possibility.

Joe Baker 11 years, 5 months ago

oxcal- It's called depth. The kid has a consistent shot. We've lacked a consistent shooter that can hit at will. He must have defensive skills too or Self would not be hot on his trail. He could get 20-25 mins per game too.

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

Blind Loyalty..... Have you ever won a High school ring ? Have you ever won an u-19 Gold Medal ? You shouldn't question Tyshawn.... Tyshawn should question you about Basketball. While I agree we are unproven at three point shooting, and we are thin on the post.... one thing that just kicks into memory....

Are we any less thin on the post than Duke was last year? or Uconn was this year ? I mean really, neither team had a Thomas Robinson... They had two PLumlees and an Oriakhi..... The days of Aircraft carriers seem to be gone. Once the dinosuars got old and slow, they just died out.... It's happening in the pro game, and it seems to be happening in college.... Size no longer seems to matter....

What DOES matter, Guard play... Shelvin Mack, Joey Rodriguez, Brandon Knight, and Kemba Walker..... All four final four teams were lead by dynamic Guards.... Sure Kentucky had Jones also, but he really tapered off against better competition.... otherwise KY Cats 1 would have been posting a blog everyday glorifying Calipari's mighty crown.....

While you amend your standing on Tyshawn Taylor, to be guardedly optimistic from last year when he was not fit to carry the Morri's athletic equipment.... or flat out just not worthy of our Jersey... We have a rookie who has been said to be pro level proficient in running the pick and roll..... we have a rookie coming in who bnefore he commited to Kansas, was not questioned on his shot, and we might be stilladding more gunslingers to boot.

One little trick to analysing our potential team is to wait until we have that team Full Roster to analyse..... Just a trick to future analysis of talent we might or might not have, HEM.

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

Mike, If you went all in with a 92 off suit and upended my Pocket aces I want my ring back based on Principle. :)

Jack Wilson 11 years, 5 months ago

Blind loyalty .. or ignorance .. saying Tyshawn Taylor in the same breath with Mack, Knight, Walker. Perhaps a blend of both. You have thus supported my suggestion that a #7 seed is a realistic possibility. I doubt anyone else on the is message board would go that far in the TT-love. Taylor would need to make a percentage improvement well beyond any yet demostrated. Love can be blind.

Look at TT's body of work. Objectively, if you can. But you can't. Or you won't.

TT's high school ring means nothing; nor does his U19 gold medal. Other than to you.

But you are correct, the analysis is as of April 19, 2011. TRob tear an ACL, and McLemore suddenly not qualify academically, and there is yet another conversation. Or we could get a top 20 big man who by a lightning strike is released from his letter of intent. Not sure you made any point there as the events of the next day can always change the roster.

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

Ignorance says the one predicting us to fall off the proverbial Map. I trust my eyes a lot better than yours.... Grant you... Any major Injury could make your prediction happen. Specifically to Robinson, but I still trust in Self enough to deliver at least 25 wins in regular season.... That should enough to avoid your prediction of 7-11 seed.

Even without Daniels or Lacey.

And of course Tyshawn''s past experience means something.... On every level he has played at thus far he has won a championship.... they call that Pedigree in some circles.... He was one of Hurley's Point guards... Certainly that would ALSO say something of Pedigree, but I suppose you cannot see the forest for the trees. You jumped all over his shot all year long as his fingers were taped..... You said Selby, is the Answer ! Start Selby ! Selby should be our Point guard as he threw it away on a higher ratio than Tyshawn. Even as he slowly started turning it around, you said that Tyshawn shouldn't be green lighted to soot those layups because it takes us out of our offense.... Knowing it's exactly what Bill was telling him to do. Keep going, faster, harder, More. ELijah covered Ty for a couple of Games and did pretty well, but you said even though he was protecting the ball he wasn't doing enough when Self said Elijah managed games well....

Face it Elitist, You know about as much about Point guard play as John McCain does. You can talk it all right but you don't feel and you certainly wouldn't see one in the forest if it peed on your leg or kicked you in chest.

Stick to what your good at. Predicting doom, and self congradulation.

Ignorance you say.

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

By the way.... who's the guy right under Tyshawn's name on the roster...... You know the one who DIDN'T carry the lionshare of the handles down the stretch when baskets Mattered......

I'll give a hint, Elitist. I just got called ignorant for comparing the two of them.

Jack Wilson 11 years, 5 months ago

You are some weirdo freak that puts value on some U19 thing .. NCAA tourney is where it counts.

Go look at your Tyshawn centerfold, while your half-assin' it at your union job.

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

I was hoping you would have something better than that. I do so love a cerebral Spar, too bad your not game for it.

Consider yourself Owned.

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

the problem with comparing their NCAA stats is they are vastly different teams. Talent level, point of focus, hell even compeitition were completely different. Shelvin was expected to be a major focal part of their offense and Tyshawn.... Not expected to do more than Pass and Play defense.....

HOWEVER, when you look at them on the same team it is fair to access them comparably... And when Dixon was playing Tyshawn and sitting Shelvin that certainly says they are at least comparable :)

lee3022 11 years, 5 months ago

This year Taylor and Releford were 38% and Johnson 40%. Of course 38% 3FG = 57% 2FG. There are always guys who improve over the summer. Yes, I would like to see Lacey come. He has a unique opportunity here.

drwho127 11 years, 5 months ago

I saw some highlights on Lacey and he can shoot the ball just like McLemore. If we can get him, Daniels, and Jamari Traylor, that would be a grand slam. If we land 2 of the 3, that would be a home run. The fact that Daniels or traylor did not commit after their visits this past weekend gives us a good shot at them. When traylor comes to visit, he will see that Lawrence is uncomparable to Stillwater. Haha. Maybe we can set up trailers visit with laceys on the same weekend? Or should we host them on separate weekends? Other than these 3, I don't know who we would go after. Maybe offer the La Salle center who may have some disciplinary issues and has to sit out for a yr. Maybe some jucco players or late decommits.

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

I doubt we would get all three..... realistically.... Tharpe's going to be Tyshawn's full time replacement and he will carry that mantle brilliantly in 2012. Anderson should become a 3-4 year guy who develops into a solid to great 4. Ben McLemore has a chance to be a great scoring wing provided he puts in the work to refine his gifts...

Adding Lacey would be a bases loaded triple, and here's why....

Tyshawn, Elijah, Ben, Travis, and Naadir. Chances are someone will not be happy with their minutes.

Adding Daniels would be a Grand Slam. He would make up for one of the morri's impact ( not both.... I could only wish he was that good ) and should blend to be a decent scoring trash man behind Thomas.

If we don't get Daniels, we SHOULD get Traylor. Though I have seen it go the other way, the guy who held out for us ( It appears traylor wants to come to Kansas ) goes somewhere else because Kansas was waiting for the "better" player

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 5 months ago

Do we really need two unranked players in the front court? Pass on Traylor and save the scholarship. Get Mr Perry Ellis to assist Zach Peters next year. Concentrate on Daniels. Anderson and Traylor are both projects who might contribute in a couple of years. I haven't seen them play but maybe Self sees something that other coaches passed on. ESPN had some good comments on Traylor: 'tough and strong power forward that is athletic' But is unranked by Rivals and Scout.

drwho127 11 years, 5 months ago

I would rather have players we can develop like the morris twins than one and dones who do not help us at all. I think Traylor's upside will be tremendous especially if Manning works with him. Check out his highlights on youtube. We will have scholarships open for Ellis and Peters.

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

Rankings are what they are.

Human interpretations of data.

Tough and Strong power forward is somethign we need this year, we need someone to body up Thomas and make him better, and odds are a bouncers will not get the job done ;) ( no malice intended. )

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 5 months ago

Remember though, both Morris twins were high 4 stars.

lee3022 11 years, 5 months ago

They were 70s players before Self signed them (referring to Rivals).

drwho127 11 years, 5 months ago

Tyshawn and EJ would be our primary 1 and 2 spots. Ben and Travis can play 3 spot as well as the 2 spot. Naadir can back up Tyshawn at the 1. Daniels can play the 4 spot as well as the 3 spot. It all depends on the style of play Self executes out on the floor..if we have TRob playing the 5, then we will only have one person playng with their backs to the basket as everyone else plays out on the wing. Daniels could develop an inside game..who knows. This is where the development of justin wesley, anderson, and withey comes in. The fact is Self is trying to fill our roster and not "save" scholarships. There is a reason why he is recruiting Traylor, Daniels and Lacey. He's thinking about the upcoming season and not 2 years from now. Traylor and Daniels could very well end up at KU together because they are at IMG academy together and are close friends with Christian Garrett (our walk-on this year). I agree that landing just Daniels is huge, but I can see Self getting Lacey or Traylor for sure. Playing time is huge and the fact that we lost Selby and the Morris Twins will open up playing time.

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

Trob at the 5 is the only questionable part of this.... I don't see Robinson playing the 5. he's a 4. If he were a five we could afford to play him there and have undersized 4's but he's a 4. which means we have to think we need a 5.

Which means we need Withey at least as a whiff of a starter's game.

bradynsdad 11 years, 5 months ago

Basically the article says we won't know anything for a while. If Daniels wants to play why duke? They have a far deeper roster than we do. I think self has done too much work to not get this kid. We have pretty much given a scholarship to everyone he has ever known just short of his parents. I miss basketball. The NBA playoffs suck. I used to love the bulls until they picked up rose and Noah, two players I can't stand.

manunitedjayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

How can you like basketball and not stand Derrick Rose? The guys is the new type of point guard, a kind the NBA has not seen. Did you see how the Pacers' coach described him? Quickness like Iverson, shooting like Chauncey Billups, passing like Jason Kidd, and the athleticism of Michael Jordan. How can you not like watching this kid play?

bradynsdad 11 years, 5 months ago

Easy. He cheated his way in to college under the dirtiest coach in the country. He was the main reason Memphis forfeited their title banners. Don't get me wrong I know some of our hawks are no saints but I wish rose would have admitted he cheated. Plus their playing the pacers who have rush and I like to support former hawks.

theend 11 years, 5 months ago

Yes, know the exact circumstances of the entire situation which qualifies you to're so brilliant and above all of us. You are all-knowing and have inside infomation on every single act and word spoken by Rose.....You saw it all and heard it know more than even Rose does. You are judge and jury.

bradynsdad 11 years, 5 months ago

There it is I have been waiting for that. You are a Kentucky fan, or whatever school cal coaches at. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you the one on here everyday bashing the coaching staff and then responding that you don't know how to fix it. Interesting that I can't comment on a situation that I know nothing about but you can comment on situations you know nothing about. You might possibly be the most hippocritical person I have ever come across. I appreciate the compliments about me as well, I mean I dont think I am that brilliant but I have my moments.

theend 11 years, 5 months ago

You rogue!! You scoundrel!! I ain't no Kentuck fan....I'm just sayin you wasn't there!! Kansas is my team!!

lee3022 11 years, 5 months ago

Could be that the NCAA judgment was correct? They seemed to have the inside information.

clm2122 11 years, 5 months ago

Does anyone have any intel on Joseph Uchebo? He has been released from his commitment to NC State and is listed as #12 center on Rivals. 6'9, 240;_ylt=AgnPthOtEwAt0SD54IO24CzVO5B4

lee3022 11 years, 5 months ago

That is a good find. He sounds like a raw offensive player and a good rebounder with good hands. He would seem to be a possible recruit unless coach feels he does not fit for some reason.

theend 11 years, 5 months ago

It's so hilarious......when I am critical of KU's performances in March......some of you start foaming at the mouth in anger and start throwing out all these stats and all these wins....

Uh.......funny.....but the one thing you can't mention are all the national titles KU has won. You seem to care more about all these "wins"......and "rah-rah KU!!!!!".

Well.....KU has won 2 titles in 60 years....Not good enough. All of you want to pretend that kU is such a national powerhouse??? KU has not won enough national titles......and national titles are all that matters. WAKE UP!!!!!!

kennethst 11 years, 5 months ago

You again? Interesting....your caustic,negative and bitterness continue. Although I'm no seem to display classic "displacement"'re still so frustrated by KU's loss to VCU that you are "displacing" your anger from yourself to this board by taking shots at KU and its fans....just my opinion. I doubt you will win many friends on here. I agree with you in some ways.....but can't you be a bit more polite?....or mature?

AverageCitizen 11 years, 5 months ago

theend- Well, you can bitch and moan about what you don't have and that will do what exactly? Unending criticism contributes to our team's success and fandom how?

Most people in life appreciate what they HAVE, which in our case is a hell of a basketball program, second in all time wins. Most agree that if the team you root for is having a bad season, you still root for them because the team has your heart and unending loyalty.

Because you don't do this, we know you really don't belong in KU land with us. Most probably it's because you want to cause us grief because your team is someone else. If you are a fan, we don't want or need your judgement. If you are a troll just leave. Either way, we don't want you.

theend 11 years, 5 months ago

And yet here I am.......and here I remain.......and I will keep being critical until KU can compete on a national level!!!!

DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

there are really far more beneficial machines to rage against....

Reality check, march relevance or not... Bills consistant 25+ wins per season will never get him fired at Kansas, and even if he averages a championship every 8 years he will likely still have more championships than any Coach not named Phog Allen at 2.

Point of Fact, VCU IS a colonial team so they are by that nature a Mid-major school but certainly I have never seen a 4-0 tourney tested Mid-Major team be treated as lightly as I have seen Virginia Commonwealth. Most years 4 wins in a tourney gives you a final four birth, and they took their 5th to get them there. through 5 power conference opponents..... This hardly compares to Northern Iowa/Bradley/Bucknell experiences. Our other losses were Georgia Tech, and Michigan St... things they had in common with VCU

Elite Eight round or Sweet Sixteen round, Tough and team oriented mindset, underrated at their spot in those years ..... I would classify VCU with Michigan State and Georgia tech considering the purest basketball eye test.

100 11 years, 5 months ago

Three titles in 60 years....

5 titles the last 90 years....

Perfectly spread out, dating back to the inventor who brought the game & Phog who perfected it & brought us Wilt & everything else that followed.

For your information there's only one school who can boast anywhere near more than five. Kentucky has 7 but that's only a couple more than us. UCLA has 10 or 11. Something to brag about, but keep in mind they still play in a half empty arena and trail us & UK by about 300 or more games on the all-time win list.

They had ten years of incredible dominance. Thanks to one man named John Wooden.

Who wanted to be a Jayhawk, but his dad was sick back in Indiana, but came through Lawrence to first meet the inventor & Phog before pouring the concrete for the football stadium we still play in.

And don't forget the building of that UCLA Wooden dynasty really was accomplished in the beginning by a Kansas 6'5" recruit named Freddy Slaughter.

Probably one of our biggest recruiting misses ever. He was leaning towards Kansas thanks to Harp's assistant at the time, Ted Owens. But in the end Wooden convinced him he could be warm 365 days a year and help establish a new power program.

Well he did. Thanks to Slaughter, UCLA's tallest & best player, Wooden won his first championship.

And from there Wooden would win 9 more in 10 years.

Then he quit.

And the result is the UCLA program we have watched flounder with limited fan support for the most part the last 35 years.

We have five. And the second most wins ever.

These aren't the most important things by far in our tradition, but if you're dying to rank things, there you go.

Let's put it this way, if the NCAA would have ruled then like they rule now, UK would have had their entire seasons from '48, '49 & '51 vacated leaving them with three less titles & 70 less wins.

We would be only 2nd to UCLA in total titles & first in all time wins.

Instead UK got the "death penalty"....

It lasted about 4 months....

theend 11 years, 5 months ago

Helms titles don't count(1921,1922) that was almost 100 years ago. Kansas has 3 total NCAA national titles.......but your post is good and informative.

jaybate 11 years, 5 months ago

Helms titles count.

UK point shaving and death penalties count.

UK's failure to win a ring this century counts.

UK folding big each year counts.

UK playing AAU ball counts.

UK playing illiterates counts.

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 5 months ago

Although I appreciate the Helms Titles..they were handed out in the '30s, more then a decade after the fact.

People still argue over 'mythical' titles in D1 football the same year. And as in football, they don't count as NCAA titles.

Kensucky also has a Helms title..they just don't count it.

3 NCAA titles is still something to brag about though Calhoun has won 3 in under 15 yrs.

theend 11 years, 5 months ago

UNC is returning all players......UNC will likely win the national title in 2012......UNC know what it takes to compete in March.......UNC is a national powerhouse.

Kansas? Well.....Kansas is really hoping to pound North By Northwest Arkansas State Teachers College in non-conference.......and Kansas is really hoping like heck to beat Iowa State and Texas Tech!!!!! Isn't that exciting?????? RAH-RAH KU!!!!!!!

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

In all those years at Kansas did Roy's Approach not teach you anything ?

Sure he won with a senior heavy team in 2008-2009, and he was gifted Dougherty's first title team...a team that Beat Illinois because Illinois got the 8-5 treatment from the refs. Sean May literally jumped through Illinois players several times during that game. I know Sean May was errrr, ummm a gifted athlete? ( Competitive eating champ ? ) But To extol the virtues of Roy Williams' coaching in March would be like asking Kobe Bryant for Marital Advice.

Joe Baker 11 years, 5 months ago

I like Roy and he's a great guy. Why the hell did he fail at KU with all the talent he had for those years to win a NC? If you want to be angry, why not direct your anger toward Roy for not winning a NC at KU with as much talent?

Roy was a good coach but he failed at KU to win the NC with the NBA talent he recruited.

He goes to unc and wins two NC in 2-3 yrs. He may win another according to your assessement. He should have at least two NCs at KU or at least one if you want to be really extremely understanding.

Hank Cross 11 years, 5 months ago

Lunardi is a genius b/c he gets paid for predicting an event which would occur without his input. Not only that, but his "bracketology" doesn't influence the process or the teams. If in Feb. Joe says KU is projected to be the 4th No.1 seed out of the West, what is anyone supposed to do with that information? KU isn't going to play any different and the fans aren't going to be making any travel plans until the bracket is annouced.

theend 11 years, 5 months ago

This is about the time that Kansas Thought Police Officer 'Bradynsdad' tells me I just want attention.

No......Officer Bradynsdad.......what I want is for Kansas to have the capability of competing for national titles. That's what I want.

Ludwig Supraphonic 11 years, 5 months ago

I get to enjoy KU BB. Perhaps you just enjoy the attention.

bradynsdad 11 years, 5 months ago

Well said hornhawk. I am not a police officer although I have several brothers who are and it sounds like a good job. If you would just admit you hate ku I would at least be ok with that. Pick a side. Actually I think I will take the high road and discontinue our conversations. Tried to talk reasonably with you but you clearly hate ku, the coaches, players and it's fans. I hope you do come around to be a little optimistic one day but I doubt it. Take care.

theend 11 years, 5 months ago

Oh!!!! Boo-Hoo!!!!! Don't leave Bradynsdad!!!! Not when we are just starting to have fun!! I am a KU fan!! Lets be reasonable!!

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 5 months ago

And we didn't have the capability this season and maybe the last? $hit happens.

Marcia Parsons 11 years, 5 months ago

He was more off with his final bracket this past March than I've ever seen him. He's usually in the 90%+ range. Got to give him credit, though. He's taken a one-season gimick and turned it into a year-round job.

HawkKlaw 11 years, 5 months ago

Lol...KU a 7 seed? Not sure how he came to that conclusion. It really doesn't matter at all (probably the most useless prediction in the history of predictions), but I see KU finishing a lot higher than that. As usual, we're losing a couple players and now the national media wants to write off KU. Granted, we're losing the best players on the team, but it is nothing compared to what Self did back in 2008-09. You think they'd learn after 7 straight years of winning the Big 12 regular season championship. The only people that will be surprised by KU yet again being a 1 or 2 seed will be people like Joey whatever.

In other news...come to KU Lacey! You'll get a ton of minutes and a chance to win a national championship! And it doesn't get better than being able to play home games at a place like Allen Fieldhouse!

Jack Wilson 11 years, 5 months ago

I would be interested in why you or anyone else would think that KU will be better than a 7 seed next tournament. I get the coach Self part, which is a valid piece of the puzzle, but what other reasons do you have?

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

Proven Point Guard who will contribute 10 and 5 every night. Up and Coming athletic wing who showed touch when he shot the ball as well as athletic explosiveness who could add 10-5-5 type numbers. A genuine Monster of a power Forward.

We had than and went for 31 wins in 2009.

HawkKlaw 11 years, 5 months ago

Are you serious? For starters, KU has never been lower than a 4 seed with Bill Self at the helm (you'd have to go back to the year 2000 when we were an 8 seed). Second, I haven't looked at how other teams are shaping up for next season, but I would doubt that losing the Morrii will cause KU to drop from being a 1 seed caliber team to a 7 seed caliber team. That's ridiculous! So, to answer your question, it has to do with Bill Self not allowing his teams to under-perform to that magnitude combined with the fact that KU has some of the best talent in the nation on its roster. Predicting KU to be a 7 seed shows just how lacking Joey Joe Joe is in the "expert" department.

Ty Mar 11 years, 5 months ago

Based off HCBS playing style-if T Rob gets in foul trouble it's basically shoot lights out at the three or good game. I'm having a hard time seeing the wings do anything but shoot open three's with the way our offense is set up. I don't get why we don't attack the basket more like Butler (who has basically the same offense w far less talent) Hopefully HCBS will do what he has to-to make sure we have the most efficient offense (using our talent) possible..sighs.

HawkKlaw 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm not so sure about that. With Tyshawn, Elijah and Releford at the wing spots, I think KU will have guards that drive and dish, as opposed to spotting up on the three point line. I can't really comment on what BMac will do, but from his high school highlights he appears to be able to both spot up/shoot and drive the lane. I think Bill Self adjusts his game plan to the strengths of the guys on his roster. Last year we had the Morrii, so our offense went through the post a lot. Next year we will still have a great post presence with TRob, but I believe our guards will play a bigger role in the offense.

kennethst 11 years, 5 months ago

OK....I have been observing "Theend's" comments for the last 2 days......I now think he quite possibly may be insane. There are moments of clarity......but all in all he's quite mad. Entertaining.....but in desperate need of mental help.

theend 11 years, 5 months ago

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm a raving lunatic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAD MAD MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KUsmoothies 11 years, 5 months ago

Ignore him, maybe he'll eventually go away. It's a little pathetic, there is a different comment from him every thirty min. He must literally have no life.

theend 11 years, 5 months ago

7 seed????? For KU next year?????? No way......they will be a #1 again....and then lose in the 2nd round. Unless they figure out that preparing for March is just a wee bit different than preparing for Iowa State.

Until then.....get used to disappointment.......we have a one-way ticket there with no stops!!!

theend 11 years, 5 months ago

So what??? Who cares?? Do you really think KU fans care about that after losing to VCU??? That's not even a hollow's absolutely meaningless. Anybaody going to look back in 20 years and say "wow that Kansas!! Ranked #1 by the governing body in 2011.....blah blah blah".

See....this is the type of attitude that annoys me. Pulling at straws after another choke in March.

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

I think it's an honor, nonetheless.... No one had more wins than us... Sure we lost to VCU, but i think it shows that the NCAA thought we were the best at the end of the season... We all know the best team doesn't often win the title. It's a rare when it works out that way, but I think the "post-season rankings" certainly show that our overall all body of work... Ya know... the other 34 games we played..... Certainly showed we were a very capable team.

RockChalk26 11 years, 5 months ago

Dude, we get. They choke in March. Is it really necessary to reiterate that point after every new comment made on this website?

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

You repeat something often enough people start to believe it even if the facts don't concur.....

See Iraq War information Pre-2005.

Ty Mar 11 years, 5 months ago

Dude-Instead of saying the same generic points over and over-comment on things that our team could improve on at least! Most people are tired of the rants because we already heard all of them. I'm more interested in what areas we need to focus on next year to make sure VCU doesn't happen again.

Troll_or_AntiTroll 11 years, 5 months ago

This so-called ranking is was not intended to "honor" KU, but to take a jab at KU and our beloved coach. The "governing body" essentially said that KU underachieved the most at the tourney.

00000 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm no Tyshawn Taylor fan—last season he temporarily took J.R. Giddens' spot as "Least Favorite Jayhawk—but what few people knew, until last Monday's banquet, was Taylor's shooting hand had been injured all season, his fingers dislocating almost daily. Now, I'm no Taylor apologist, either, but retrospectively, knowing his hand has been treated, and will undoubtedly be better by next season, his shot should be consistent. If you watch his floaters—you know, the ones that never went in . . .—he was releasing them off of his palm as opposed to his fingertips, and probably 90% of the time they'd land on the back of the rim.

The kid's incredibly athletic and can get to the rim, he just couldn't finish. Now, though—I suspect his shooting will improve immensely; he'll be able to put up 12 points per game with 5+ assists—he's always been unselfish, Aaron Miles-esque, on the point—similar to how he played at the end of the season, when he had his best games of his career.

Note. J.R. Giddens is still my least favorite Jayhawk.

Paul Brozik 11 years, 5 months ago

Alex Murphy enrolling a year early at duke. If Daniels is looking for playing time this is good news for ku.

RockChalk26 11 years, 5 months ago

Same with Lamb going back to Kentucky. Lacey might be more likely to choose KU.

UKfan2011 11 years, 5 months ago

Everyone knew Lamb was coming back as he stated it right after the NCAA Liggins, Jones, and Knight are going to announce their intentions tomorrow and that will have a big effect on Lacey's future school.

drwho127 11 years, 5 months ago

Yeah..Duke is getting two SFs. Murphy and Michael Gbjinije. I agree that Daniels has to look at the playing time. Also, with Lacey, we will have a better idea after his visit to KU. Same with Traylor.

jaybate 11 years, 5 months ago

"If-uh Ya Follow-uh Thuh Logic, She's-uh so Simple!"

Dick-uh Vitali picked uh thuh Jayhawks to finish, eeehhhh, 5th in the Big-uh 12 before last season, when-uh KU had just lost-uh 3 starters, two of which, eeehhh, were NBA first round picks. But-uh like-uh the night she follows-uh thuh day, K-uh U-uh, she wins-uh 35 games, yet another consec-uh-utive conference-uh title, and-uh makes it-uh to thuh Elite Eight-uh. Capice?

So-uh, then this-uh a year, Joey Pasta, you know-uh, another-uh wise guy in the La Cosa Broadcasters-eeeeehhhh, well, uh, he-uh pick-uh the Jayhawks to finish, eeeeehhhhh, as a seven-uh seed in-uh Midwest regional, capice?

So-uh, if-uh ya follow the logic, eeeeehhhhh, well, this-uh mean-uh da Jayhawks-uh, they'-uh gonna win-uh the big-uh brass-uh ring-uh this year and-uh maybe-uh go un-uh-defeated, capice?

(Note 1: All the above is fiction and satire without malice.)

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

Should we do some investigative Journalism to see how a sub .500 College basketball coach became the go-to Cheerleader of College Basketball and how a guy who literally was NOTHING in the Sports world became Joey Brackets by predicting a few NCAA tournaments here and there ?

Or would we likely end up wearing cement shoes for such blasphemy as saying they know about as much as a Pit Bull about Basketball.

jaybate 11 years, 5 months ago

The sports broadcasting-gaming industrial complex does appear a conflict of interest at the nexus of broadcasting hype and spread setting. Capice?

Hail_To_Thee 11 years, 5 months ago

Who gives a rats a$$ about someones prediction of next years NCAA tournament when its another 330 days away....

Thats just plain F'N stupid.

Dennis Mahorney 11 years, 5 months ago

Maybe Ostertag has 7ft son or two on the way we can go after.....

John Sheehan 11 years, 5 months ago

A little news that could greatly affect DeAndre Daniels decision - 2012 Duke commit moves up to 2011 class...plays same position as Daniels...

Kye Clark 11 years, 5 months ago

Good find. Maybe that poster who said "book it" about Daniels going to Duke will have to issue a retraction (although he'll probably just go away for awhile and hope everyone forgets).

LaJHawk666 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm new to obsessively following KU recruiting, but is it normal to have 4 open scholarships in April?

I'm excited for next year cuz I'm a Jayhawk, but I'm also crapping my pants! We lose 6 of our 8 best players (inc. 4 starters) and have just 3 commits (plus a walk-on and a transfer). It seems like Duke, Kensucky and NC are gonna eat our lunch.

In HCBS I trust, but shouldn't our boosters be out bribing some recruits? isn't that how it works? I just learned that on Real Sports With Bryant Gumble.

Kye Clark 11 years, 5 months ago

Four schollies may be a little much, but it is becoming increasingly difficult to fill all open scholarships with quality players until late in the season due to early entries in the draft. After the '08 season we had quite a few scholarships open, and had the Morris Twins and Tyshawn fall into our laps due to coaching changes at their previous commits. So I guess the best answer to give you's likely to be cyclical, where it's like this one out of every 3 or 4 years.

KU may finally be experiencing something that every other elite program has faced in recent years - rebuilding. And actually to look at it, KU is in a better position than other schools have been. While I don't put much stock in the pre-season predictions of anybody at ESPN, even if they're right and we are a 7 seed in the NCAA tournament that's less rebuilding than other schools have faced, having to spend a year or more slumming in the NIT before returning to prominence. A good comparison is again to look at the first year post-championship in '08-'09. The previous year we lost all 5 starters and Sasha Kaun off the bench. We returned only Collins who had seen significant minutes, and Cole who was expected to be a force but was still only a sophomore coming off very limited minutes as a freshman. So at least from an experience standpoint we are in a better position. Tyshawn is not the player Sherron was, but he will be a senior point guard and hopefully can build on his solid late season performance. TRob comes in much more seasoned than Cole. They're different types of players so it's not an apples to apples comparison, TRob doesn't provide the defense that Cole did which was such a weapon to have for a young and developing team, but he is a better rebounder and scorer. We have 3 guys in Withey, Releford, & EJ who will all be entering their 3rd year in the program, so they should be in a position to positively contribute. The rest is a crap shoot with what we get from the freshman, but if we can get Anderson to be a servicable big and McLemore can provide scoring punch...we really shouldn't be in "crapping our pants" mode. We'll likely lose some games to some of the upper-echelon teams, but come tournament time we're likely looking at a sweet 16 team, which any school would kill to have in their rebuilding years. Anyway, that's how I see it playing out.

LaJHawk666 11 years, 5 months ago

Thanks for the comment, 316. I feel better.

The main thing for me is making the Tournament. I know all the #1 historical records just like everyone else here, and KU is toward the top on most of them, but not #1 in very many. I know we won't be able to catch up to some of them in my lifetime, but I really want the Longest Consecutive Tournament Appearance Record. I think we have 7 or so more before we overtake North Carolina. (Yes, they did it back when fewer teams got in, but I don't care.)

I'm sure most people here don't even consider the chance of not making the Tourney next year (or any year), but neither did the NC fans last year. I'm sure we'll get in, but I'd like to get Daniels and/or Lacey and another Big just in case. (And let's never commit/get caught committing any recruiting violations that gets us banned from post season play.)

I'd really like to win the Big 12/10, too, but....hope for the best and be happy that, no matter what, I'm a Jayhawk, and KU is the best!

Off topic... Does anyone have any idea what the conference is gonna be called next year?


LaJHawk666 11 years, 5 months ago

Update: We have 22 consecutive appearances ('90-'11), AZ has 25 and NC has 27, so we have 6 more years to go for the record!

In '09-'10 I was paying attention to KU's winning and AZ's losing. I was so glad/relieved when they didn't make it in the Tourney! It was good it happened then cuz AZ seems to be back and probably won't be relegated to the NIT for a while.

Let's also win some more NCs while we're at it.

HawkKlaw 11 years, 5 months ago


Many seem worried about the talent KU will have on next year's squad. Why worry so much when we have Tyshawn, Elijah, TRob and Releford? That's a damn good nucleus if you ask me! KU will be as competitive as ever next season, no doubt in my mind.

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