Originally published April 14, 2011 at 03:05p.m., updated April 15, 2011 at 12:31a.m.

Josh Selby bids KU adieu

Josh Selby looks to the crowd after a KU score during the first half of the Jayhawks' game against the Kansas State Wildcats, Saturday, Jan. 29, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse. KU defeated KSU 90-66.

Josh Selby looks to the crowd after a KU score during the first half of the Jayhawks' game against the Kansas State Wildcats, Saturday, Jan. 29, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse. KU defeated KSU 90-66.


Reader poll

Which former KU player will have the best NBA career?

  • Markieff Morris 29% 453 votes
  • Josh Selby 7% 121 votes
  • Marcus Morris 63% 983 votes

1557 total votes.

Kansas University freshman Josh Selby, who had been training at Impact Basketball in Las Vegas a week-and-a-half while assessing his NBA options, decided after a particularly productive practice Wednesday that he’d be playing for pay next season.

“After working out, I told my mom, ‘I’m ready for the NBA.’ She said, ‘All right,’’’ the 6-foot-2 Baltimore native said Thursday, a few hours after posting on Twitter that he’d decided to enter the 2011 NBA Draft.

“It was kind of a 50-50 deal,” added Selby, who said his mom, Maeshon, called KU coach Bill Self on Thursday morning to inform him of the decision. “I wanted to leave, but I also wanted to make sure it was the right decision. I came out here and produced. I was getting back to my old self, looking good. I decided it was the right time to go to the NBA.”

Wearing a blue and black pair of KU adidas shorts and a white shirt, Selby spoke Thursday in a one-on-one interview with a Vegas Seven magazine reporter, who was asked to track down Selby for the Journal-World.

“I don’t know. It really doesn’t matter where you start, it just matters where you finish,” Selby said, asked where he thinks he’ll be selected in the June draft. “If it’s first round, second round, I’m going to try my best to do what it takes to be an all-star.”

Selby said he had no timetable to hire an agent, but already was looking at one possible representative.

Of his year at KU, during which he averaged 7.9 points (off 37.3 percent shooting) and 2.2 assists in 26 games, Selby said: “It matured me. I saw so many things. I went through so many things. I grew up a lot as a person, and it made me more humble, yet hungry. That’s why I’m out here working,” added Selby, who was slowed the second half of the season by a foot injury.

He’s 100 percent now, evidenced by his finishing two vicious dunks in the second of two-a-day drills Thursday. Selby, whose first basket at KU resulted in a made three against USC, also hit several threes, his last shot in the Thursday afternoon workout a trey.

“I think I’ve improved on everything. My speed. My bounce is back, my shot is looking good. My handles are good,” said Selby, quick to identify the one highlight of his KU career.

“Playing in that first game, that was my best experience,” Selby said of a 21-point outing against USC in Allen Fieldhouse. “I thought the rest of the season would (be as productive), but things don’t always work out that way. Maybe that injury and everything (nine-game NCAA suspension) needed to happen to humble me a bit, to make me more mature. Now I’m on to a new chapter.”

Selby said in recent days he’d noticed negative comments from some KU fans on Internet message boards regarding his decision to work out in Vegas and consider turning pro after a so-so freshman season.

“There’s a lot of fans that have said some negative things. I didn’t know that many KU fans would say that,” Selby said. “I don’t know what it is, but all it is doing is creating a monster. It’s going to make me work even harder. That’s what I like to do is prove people wrong.”

Earlier on Twitter, he said he wanted “to thank all the KU fans who supported me through everything and all the fans who (are) doubting me. I will miss the fieldhouse.”

KU coach Bill Self said he approved of the decision and wished Selby the best.

“Of course it would be nice to have a player as talented as Josh back,” Self told the Journal-World. “On the flip side, it gives somebody else the opportunity to substitute his minutes and perform at a high level.

“I think he can go first round. I think he has first-round talent. It depends how he does in the individual workouts (with teams).

He continued: “I don’t think this decision Josh made should surprise anybody. We thought it would be the result all along when he went to work out in Las Vegas. I think Josh thought it would be the result, and his family thought it would be the result, but it would not be right to make that final until he got some feedback (in Vegas). We, as a staff, totally support Josh’s decision, and we also hope our fans support it as well.”

Self said Selby battled adversity at KU.

“I never coached a kid that went through as much stuff his freshman year as Josh has — everything from a broken hand to a nine-game suspension to missing 20 practices and a stress reaction in his foot that limited his movement for the remainder of the season,” Self said. “He fought through it and certainly played through injury and did everything within his power to give our team the best chance to succeed.

“Right now, from reports we are getting, Josh is playing at a very high level. I wish Josh would not have had to deal with all those things, like most players don’t have to deal with them, but I do think through this he’s become better prepared for real life. Up until his foot injury, Josh was a guy who averaged 12 points a game and was just getting very comfortable for us. For him to deal with the injury was tough on him, but he feels good now and should be 100 percent and back to the explosive guy that he is as he works out for NBA teams.”

Selby said he would not be returning to Lawrence the remainder of the semester.

Self said KU would not lose any points in conjunction with the NCAA’s academic progress report.

“Josh made above a 3.0 (GPA) first semester and worked with his professors to complete his work second semester,” Self said. “I feel good about Josh leaving knowing he took care of his business the way that he should have taken care of it.

“Kids do leave before the year is out. If it happens, there have to be arrangements to finish coursework or do accelerated work.”

No change in policy

Self, who has had Selby and Xavier Henry leave KU after just one season, will be willing to continue to sign possible “one-and-done” players.

“The thing is, you don’t ever know,” Self said. “We have had one-and-done guys stay three years. We’ve had four-year guys leave after two. I think rules will change regarding that as well (players being forced to stay two years in next NBA bargaining agreement). The bottom line is, you never know.”

Future without Selby

KU has perimeter players returning in Tyshawn Taylor, Elijah Johnson, Royce Woolridge, Travis Releford and Conner Teahan, to go with newcomers Ben McLemore and Naadir Tharpe. “We hope to still sign at least another guy in the backcourt and one in the frontcourt. There are no negatives to this,” Self said.

Peer impressed

Ohio State guard Jon Diebler, who is working out at Impact Athletics, on Selby: “Everyone knew he was that talented, so there was always that possibility. He’s a great player, especially coming out of high school. He’s very vocal. He pushes guys. He’s a great guy, a cool guy.”

Joe Abunassar, owner and lead trainer at Impact Basketball on Selby:

“I see an extremely talented player, very, very good player. This is my 15th year of doing this stuff, and I’ve seen very few guards with the qualities that Josh has. I didn’t follow him all year, but I think missing all those practices took him out of rhythm. Let’s face it, Kansas had an outstanding team that was playing some really good basketball. Coach (Self) went with his rotations, and that’s the way it worked out. Kansas had a ton of talent and got into a rhythm while he was out.”

Vegas Seven magazine reporter Andy Samuelson contributed to this report.


hawksquawk 11 years, 5 months ago

After reading the comments below, I am embarassed to be a KU Alumnus. We expect a 19 year old freshman from Baltimore to have the same understanding and appreciation for our University as a lifelong fan? He was OAD before he signed, and we all knew that. It sickens me that grown men, who probably never came close to achieving their dreams in life, would attack a kid who is close to achieving his lifelong dream. Josh, I hope you use this negativity as motivation and make these know-it-alls look foolish. And when you succeed, remember that the majority of the Jayhawk Nation was cheering for you all along, unlike the internet blowhards on this board.

And you guys know that players, recruits, parents, coaches, etc. look at this website since it is an established media outlet right? Have a little perspective, and if you want to trash a kid for making his own life decisions, do so in private, or at least in a forum that won't make our fanbase look like a bunch of whining, snivelling, fickle, privileged snobs.

akl6593 11 years, 5 months ago

Thanks for speaking up...I feel bad for him that so many people feel they can attack is shameful.

Josh, Good luck to you and your family and I hope you have a great NBA career! Don't judge all KU fans by the ill mannered ones who are crawling out from under their rocks to say hateful things.

phi4life940 11 years, 5 months ago

Just noting...I'm 22. Not everyone on here is a "grown man who has never come close to realizing his dream."

Public forum = venue to post public views and opinions.

The fact that someone has a different view than you doesn't mean it's wrong. You're advocating that Selby should be able to make his own choice yet you are chastising people for doing that very same thing.

And regardless of what people would like to think, KU, just like every other University, is comprised of all kinds of different people. Not this big, happy, mirage of a fan base that is unlike any other by being all flowers and happy thoughts. If you have a problem with peoples speech, take it up with the First Amendment.

Kendall Simmons 11 years, 5 months ago

Thank you for an intelligent, mature response.

akl6593 11 years, 5 months ago

There is intelligent debate and there are just plain old bad manners...if you don't know the difference that is is part of what is wrong with our society these days IMHO.

You can say what you want and I can call you out for being an ass about it...First Amendment right?

Beate Williams 11 years, 5 months ago

+1 Obviously a great many people were not taught manners when they were young and that is exactly why they feel empowered to criticize in a very negative fashion because they have "first amendment" right to do so...give me a break, use a little common sense. And if you do not feel you are a grown man at 22 you have proven my point.

shinguard 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh, Please tell me you did not have your mother break the news to your coach for you...

ahpersecoachingexperience 11 years, 5 months ago

josh, we are not "hating" it's that the average jayhawk fan has seen numerous professionals come through larryville and compared to them, you are not even close. so while most of these comments may seen like we are "hating" we actually know what we are talking about.

pssst, it's not to late to use the "my twitter was hacked" excuse!

Beate Williams 11 years, 5 months ago

"We actually know what we are talking about." Because you are a fan of basketball and watch it, you are a better judge of talent than the "professionals" who are paid good money to evaluate talent. The people who have told him he is ready, know talent; I also believe coach Self knows talent and obviously he believes he is ready or he would not have said so in the article above.

ahpersecoachingexperience 11 years, 5 months ago

ok, i guess the obvious question is why did he not get any playing time this year? I haven't look at any draft projections, are brady and tyrell slotted ahead of josh there too?

Cmill1221 11 years, 5 months ago

Whatever. He Never took the ball strong to the hole, he always did some stupid mid air ball fake. Would have been nice to have him but we sure don't NEED him.

ahpersecoachingexperience 11 years, 5 months ago

just to show you where you stand, charlette blubaugh is a headline on espn right now and your story is burried in the ncaa bb link

Benjamin Piehler 11 years, 5 months ago

no kidding... even the KU ticket scandal is on the front page

Michael Pannacciulli 11 years, 5 months ago

he'll make money playing this game either here or abroad, no doubt. best of luck. he's a tough as nails kid, mentally and emotionally - and he'll need that for the nba...sorry your time here wasn't more productive and as a fan I wish i got to see more. go make your money young man. ignore these selfish fools who think they can tell you what is best for you. they just wish they saw more, and wish they could be living the dream like you are right now.

ahpersecoachingexperience 11 years, 5 months ago

no one is saying he won't make money. we are saying he would of made more if he stayed and developed. would of loved for him to stay and be a lottery pick in the following years. instead he is going to go in the second round, fight to make a team, be lucky if he does, and if he doesn't he will end up playing in some cigarette smoke filled gym in istandbul

Dan Pawlowski 11 years, 5 months ago

He didn't play enough of Self style basketball to have an effect on him. Wasting away at KU? Care to explain how he would be wasting away at KU competing with future NBA players? Get off this board you UK troll.

John Randall 11 years, 5 months ago

"" ... cigarette smoke filled gym in istandbul""

That last word threw me for second. Then I realized it must be Twitterspeak: I stand 4 bull.

If you can't handle the SHIFT key, try the other one. Its just a courteousy to those who don't (yet) just scroll on past.

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 5 months ago

For whatever reason, Self and Selby never were on the same page..Another year would have benefited neither. Thanks for coming Josh.. Good luck in the NBA.

Dan Pawlowski 11 years, 5 months ago

Oh well, he well make money. That seems to make everything ok. The thing is he will probably lose money also. Then what? I guess he can have his memories to look back on.

Dan Pawlowski 11 years, 5 months ago

Oh well, he well make money. That seems to make everything ok. The thing is he will probably lose money also. Then what? I guess he can have his memories to look back on.

Hank Cross 11 years, 5 months ago

I can't understand all of these comments that Selby was 'never really a Jayhawk'. Based on what? Where is the evidence that he gave up trying? It was posted that his injury was actually a stress fracture by a different name and that usual recovery was about 6 weeks - Selby missed 3 games. How is that dogging it?

Even more ridiculous are those who are saying that he wasn't good enough to start behind those 'true Jayhawks' Tyrel and Brady. The reason Selby didn't start ahead of those two was that Self clung to his two security blankets. Probably 99.9% of the college coaches would've started Selby ahead of either of those two and let him adjust to the college game by letting him play through those mistakes. And if anyone thinks that Self was Smart to do so, please direct your attention to the new FF banner hanging in VCU's gym.

Dirk Medema 11 years, 5 months ago

Once Josh got adhusted to the team, and while he was healthy, he did start ahead of Brady.

It stinks that he got hurt, and that many fans can't see past their nose or remember more than selectively, but when Josh was healthy he was tearing it up. He was leading the team from 3, and learning to play D. He definitely didn't know all there is to know, but he was giving great effort, and putting the ball in the hole.

Now that he is healthy, I expect him to tear it up again, for fans to go back to remembering only the injured half of his year, and pass blame on the coaches, players, and Josh. Sadly.

When does football start?

100? What's your latest prediction?

bbhawk234 11 years, 5 months ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

Matt Bowers 11 years, 5 months ago

Thanks Josh. All the best in the NBA, I hope you tear it up in the league. I personally believe that you are better than most people understand and I look forward to seeing you develop that talent. Come back to KU and have a may not understand now, but you just lived the best year of your life. All the best.

Rock Chalk

Eric TheCapn 11 years, 5 months ago

he lived about half of a year at KU and he won't be remembered. I see him coming back about as often as David Padgett.

hayjawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Thanks! I have no doubt that you will have a great NBA career!

James Hagedorn 11 years, 5 months ago

What I don't understand if he is as good as advertised he would come back next year be a badass and improve his draft stock from late early 1st round, to a top 5 or 10 pick... Selby would be looking at hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars difference in his guaranteed salary... It just doesn't make sense, it makes ya feel like he's escapin while there is still hundreds of excuses on why he did so poor this year and didn't wanna take the chance of comin back next year and doin just as bad... just my opinion and doesn't make much sense...

mojayhawk24 11 years, 5 months ago

I agree. His priority was never the team though.... all about himself. I'd rather the school recruit good players and make them great by their jr. or sr. year instead of recruit one year wonders. I guess that is wishful thinking though.

jhox 11 years, 5 months ago

I just can't understand how any KU fan could root against a kid who thought enough of KU to play there in the first place I hope he has a great NBA career. Sure, I would have loved to have him back, because I think when healthy, he could have a monster season. That aside, how can we sit here and be critical of a kid who in all likelihood will be a first round draft choice, for going for the money? He grew up poor, and he's not helping his Mom pay the bills by going to school. It is hard for those of us who have nice homes and good jobs to be unbiased, but we need to put ourselves in the kid's shoes to try to understand these decisions.

mojayhawk24 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm not being that critical of him, he said himself he was going to be here one year when he signed. I'd just rather see 3 or 4 year players on the team. Plus, he's not nearly as good as he thinks he is, and he's not a team player... so yeah, he'll fit in great in the nba, real basketball stops after the ncaa.

tlwatson 11 years, 5 months ago

Well Josh to you and the other guys who are going to the NBA there is way better than a 50/50 chance you wont get paid or play at all. Its called lock out.

kevinatc 11 years, 5 months ago

He just made the biggest mistake of his life.

100 11 years, 5 months ago

Wow the trolls are all over this one. Look at all of these posts with "Hawk" in their name who have never posted before.

Hmmm.... Makes me wonder if students in Missoura got the day off.

Josh Selby, most of Jayhawk nation supports you. Thanks for joining our group, wish it could've been longer.

Enjoy the pros & come back & see the rules...

Rock Chalk Josh

knottshawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Read the posts a bit more closely... like ahpersecoachingexperience said, most are not hating on him. Instead, they recognize that this is likely a mistake. I don't think most fans are bitter over his disappointing season. Most fans recognize there were difficult circumstances for him to overcome. But, I think most of us can agree, he's not ready for this next step. He may prosper in the NBA, but it will take a long time IF he's given the chance.

My guess is that he'll end up playing overseas or in the D-league (which was recently called off for this year iirc)

John Randall 11 years, 5 months ago

Don't think any of us is prescient enough to say " ... he's not ready ... "

OTOH, most of us are perceptive enough to say " ... he would have been better prepared ... " had he been able to stay for a year with no injury or suspension to interfere. The one year was a chance to grow, just not exactly in the way we hoped.

For an 18-19 yr old with a background in or near poverty, the chance to earn a pro salary (be it 5, 6, or 7 figures) must look HUGE, and a year seem like forever to wait.

Josh – best wishes all the way. I'm disappointed for myself, seeing you go so soon. I really hope you aren't disappointed for yourself in the result.

loyal2thaphog 11 years, 5 months ago

I just don't understand how someone can say that he made the biggest mistake of his life...

A) This is a weak draft class, whereas next years draft class figures to be loaded. If he's a first round pick, he's guaranteed $$$. B) He can now focus on basketball 100% of the time, he doesn't have to worry about class/school/hw. C) worst case scenerio he is drafted and plays in the NBA D league or Europe. Either way, he is getting paid to play. You can't fault an athlete who was no more than, what, 6-7 months ago suspended by the NCAA rules committee b/c he received impermissible benefits... Why do you think he received the money in the first place?

In all likelihood, his biggest mistake was choosing KU. He should have chosen a school that played in a decent-to-good conference where he could light-it-up and be the man. Everyone knew he came in here to be a one and done. He wasn't sticking around to develop or polish his skills. He was here b/c the NBA has a rule that doesn't allow HS seniors to enter the draft. Whatever... I wish him well. I hope he has a great career and gets off to a fast start, although I am not going to be surprised if we don't here much from him in the next couple of years. So be it, he'll be getting paid to develop his skills, not putting money in someone else s pockets with nothing/little to show for it.

Don't get me wrong, I was sooo stoked about Selby the minute I heard he signed with KU (and really following the UNI game when I learned we were recruiting/in the running for him.). But, I am by no means upset over this. Personally, I'd prefer KU to recruit guys that are going to stay here for more than 1-2 years and want to be here. There's nothing wrong with taking on a project. I'd prefer a guy that has paid some dues, developed his skills, knows the X&O's of Coach's Self's system, and by the time he is playing major minutes, will be a vocal leader on the team b/c he feels a sense of ownership to said team.

Not only do I not understand why anyone would call this the biggest mistake of his life, but why do some many people feel the need to be vocal about it?

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

You got this pretty right on.

By no means do I think he's ready, but What do I know? Your Dead on Correct about his biggest mistake was Choosing Kansas. Had he gone someplace like Maryland, he could have scored 30 a night,and shown the World What Exactly his talent level was..... Instead of being forced to play defense and play through upper classmen. Sure, he learned a great deal about loss and the importance of brotherhood in team. but, Realistically josh Never quite fit our mold

Now is the time for the draft, but Honestly.... He's not a point guard yet. Look at Johnny Flynn, for christ sakes. He WAS ready and isn't playing like he's capable.

His Chances are now depending and who drafts him, put him in a situation where he can overcome his major flaws ( Like Say Ty Lawson was ) and he can balloon from a talent perspective, but put him in ap lace where he will be expected to step up immediately ( Like Say Utah ) and he's in a whole heap of trouble.

Ed Brown 11 years, 5 months ago

I agree. He really was playing fair for a December frosh which is where he was in his game after the suspension. I wasn't aware he was injured and playing through it. That explains a lot of his tourney woes. I have to wish him the best because Jayhawks are the best. I would have liked to see him and TRob passing and running and jamming next year but TRob will do it with or without Selby.

Eric TheCapn 11 years, 5 months ago

Eek, "He really was playing fair for a December frosh," huh? I've never heard such a ringing endorsement! Lol. Good luck in the Not-really Basketball Association.

dylans 11 years, 5 months ago

Worst case scenario he doesn't get drafted and has to fall back on his education to make a living.

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 5 months ago

He's at least as ready as Kyrie Irving who played in only 11 games at Duke.

Dan Pawlowski 11 years, 5 months ago

Yea, but did you see those 11 games? He is nowhere near as ready as Irving.

Kendall Simmons 11 years, 5 months ago

But don't you understand that, if there's an NBA lockout...which seems more and more likely every day...your "worst case scenario" really is NOT the worst case scenario?


1) He will not get a paycheck, 2) he will not get to play in the D-League because that's part of the lockout, and 3) there will be a TON of competition for the extremely limited number of jobs open for American players in Europe.

Speaking of the last, I hope people do realize that there are team caps in some countries, while the other countries simply prefer native players. Why? Because their audiences are not Americans. In fact, Americans currently account for less than 3 players per team in Europe, which won't change because of an NBA lockout.

This reality does NOT automatically provide Josh with that much of an opportunity to play in Europe if there's a lockout because he didn't have the opportunity to prove how good he is while at KU.

I sincerely wish Josh well. I hope things work out for him. But I'm not gonna get mad at people who think it might not at this time, because they're not being bad people. They're simply being skeptical about his decision at this time under existing circumstances.

loyal2thaphog 11 years, 5 months ago

I don't think you understand the full scope or ramifications of the term "lockout" when applied to the NBA.... one look no farther back than the 1998-1999...In case you forgot, Paul Pierce declared for that draft... as a junior.

master16 11 years, 5 months ago

i wish him all the luck.. he's still a jayhawk. however, if he ends up having a very mediocre NBA career, when he had the potential to have a great career, i'm not gonna feel bad for him.

JRandall 11 years, 5 months ago

+1 but he was really never a Jayhawk. He was one of the few privilged to wear the Jersey, but he never acted like a vested Kansas player. It was all about him from day 1. His team & universtiy were not high on his priority list.

Janet Olin 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm really sorry Josh suffered suspensions/injury; I cheered for him and hoped to see him play healthy and become a productive team member. Apparently (sadly), Team was never on his mind. (The Morris brothers paid 2 x airfare from LA to attend the banquet, because KU means something to them. Josh can't come from Vegas? Speaks volumes.) I wish him well, but I think he's a legend in his own immature mind and will be disappointed in his fanfare/welcome to the League (if he makes it)

Ryan Wilson 11 years, 5 months ago

Completely agree. I remember back when Kirk Hinrich and Nick Collison went pro the year following the loss to Syracuse in the championship. I loved those guys so much I went and bought that years NBA video game just so I could play with their teams... Unlike the heralded heroes of past years, I won't ever think about Josh Selby again, must less miss him... I still go back and watch videos of Kirk play, that man loved KU...

FSUJHAWK 11 years, 5 months ago

Good luck J! Thanks for the memories.


Maty_Skins 11 years, 5 months ago

What memories would you be refering to exactly? His one good game he had, or his suspension?

Thomas Matlock 11 years, 5 months ago

The memory of him leaving to open up a scholarship for someone who might actually be at KU to contribute and be part of the team.

Brian Skelly 11 years, 5 months ago

Im indifferent to this. He wasnt nearly as good as advertised, but part of that was lack of development time with the "off the court" issues and injury.

He showed flashes here and there, but certainly nothing to write home about.

Good luck to him. He's going to need it more than KU will.

redlegger 11 years, 5 months ago

Good Luck Josh! All the best to you and your Family!

John White 11 years, 5 months ago

It's a shame he made up his mind about being one and done long before he even got to KU. He couldn't even see the court at Kansas, how does he think he will do so much better in the NBA?

selfishhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Agreed. I don't think Self should recruit players who he knows will declare after one year regardless of circumstances, simply because Self seems to need more time with players to develop them.

My biggest concern after reading this article - which everyone is ignoring - is that maybe Selby does get drafted pretty high. If he does, it probably makes Self look like a fool to future recruits. Maybe that is okay in that we won't get these OAD headaches in the future. But it also good be further proof that Self's offensive brand of basketball hides athleticism and talent. Maybe not.

stevej 11 years, 5 months ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

JayhawksKU 11 years, 5 months ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

Doug LeMoine 11 years, 5 months ago

It's spelled "classless," and what's actually classless is your last sentence. Grow up.

Spencer Goff 11 years, 5 months ago

The first comment and response were both deleted for user violations.

My guess is they were showing too much Alba ass and blew up the computers.

I wish I could see these posts before they get deleted, I like excitment.

rcaltrider 11 years, 5 months ago

Thanks for the memory!

Twitter is definitely the classy way to announce...enjoy the D-League!

Thomas Matlock 11 years, 5 months ago

He was using the only form of communication he is comfortable with.

Thomas Matlock 11 years, 5 months ago

And, he had his mama call the coach. How manly is that?

Benjamin Piehler 11 years, 5 months ago

best of luck, but I wont be following him much after he's gone. He had enough problems playing against college kids....

Shane Garrett 11 years, 5 months ago

Question. Should Bill Self be recruiting a one and done freshman? Why waste the time and effort? The champs and the teams that won most of the NCAA games all stayed together and became a real team.

addlime 11 years, 5 months ago

I think you need to recruit the best talent. Brandon Rush was a supposed one and done, and also committed late like Selby. Just a little twist of fate kept him here for a third year and helped deliver a championship. Selby just had too much baggage (improper benefits) and a poorly timed injury (midseason). Don't let one bad experience taint your view. Self is a good coach, and Selby had minimal playing time in the tourney as he should have. The best team on the court didn't include him, and his playing time reflected that.
That being said, I hope for his sake he proves us wrong, but I don't see how he could be successful any time soon. He is gonna have to work his butt off to get anywhere. Good news is he'll have some money in his pocket while doing it.

Tim Orel 11 years, 5 months ago

Two bad experiences - Xavier as well. I doubt you've forgotten the circus with Carl Henry and CJ on top of Xavier.

I agree - recruit the best, but I'm never going to be disappointed if we have players staying all four years. We get to know them - they get to know us, and the family is stronger because of it.

Hank Cross 11 years, 5 months ago

Yes- the best team was on the court during the tourney. Tyrel and Brady were so awesomely awesome they lead us to the NC.

dylans 11 years, 5 months ago

How about an NCAA best 35 wins. Damn man, quit acting like a spoiled loser. You have posted this berating remark before.

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 5 months ago

Well at least to a not so elite 8 and another loss to a mid-major.

bamahawk1 11 years, 5 months ago

it was evident that he was NEVER happy at KU. He did not agree with the coaches about anything. He's a selfish idiot. Let him go to where selfishness is appreciated...NBA.

Most overrated recruit ever.

benphi69 11 years, 5 months ago

even if (when) the NBA is a failure, he can make some serious bank over in Europe....

stevej 11 years, 5 months ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

Doug LeMoine 11 years, 5 months ago

Wasn't funny the first time. Isn't funny now. Take your classless crap elsewhere.

jayhawkarmy 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm shocked but again i'm not this kid is not ready for the NBA what upsets me is that we had to wait and wait on him to play all the trouble we had to get him and then for one game he shows greatness then FLOP he needs more work than just las vegas camp i guess in a good way it opens up room for someone who want to be a champion

jayhawkarmy 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm shocked but again i'm not this kid is not ready for the NBA what upsets me is that we had to wait and wait on him to play all the trouble we had to get him and then for one game he shows greatness then FLOP he needs more work than just las vegas camp i guess in a good way it opens up room for someone who want to be a champion

jayhawkarmy 11 years, 5 months ago

I didn't know this was English class.........SORRY! I JUST WANTED TO GET A POINT ACROSS REAL FAST PROFESSOR...................................................................................................................................................................................... Is that ok?

Ian Brown 11 years, 5 months ago

Seriously, man... I hate to be the person to criticize someones spelling, grammar or punctuation (or lack thereof), but this is simply nauseating. What's worse is that you had to post it three times. I'm quite certain I have vertigo as a result of attempting to read this post. Thank you.

Jayhawks1985 11 years, 5 months ago

My gosh I'd hate to have been in high school with you guys. I bet you had no mercy on pimple faces or fat kids.

John Randall 11 years, 5 months ago

Then again, the most merciful of us still recognize the lack of common courtesy in posting gibberish just because we're in a hurry to "get my 1.5 cents out there".

Being overweight or complexion-challenged is seldom by choice. Inconsiderate behavior is.

John Randall 11 years, 5 months ago

Then again, the most merciful of us still recognize the lack of common courtesy in posting gibberish just because we're in a hurry to "get my 1.5 cents out there".

Being overweight or complexion-challenged is seldom by choice. Inconsiderate behavior is.

Jayhawks1985 11 years, 5 months ago

Last comment on this person. Sorry I don't agree. It appears to me this person has dyslexia and you have no idea how horrible it is to have this disorder.
I could figure out what he said. Leave them alone. They have every right to comment like everyone else.

bad_dog 11 years, 5 months ago

I know several people with dyslexia and their writing doesn't look anything like the post above. No misspelled words for example. It's just devoid of punctuation, capitalization, etc. More of a "stream of consciousness" post than anything else-at least to me.

Some people just don't care about the rules of grammar, differentiating between personal possesives and contractions, spelling, etc. Other people still consider the written word important & thus, emphasize it and resent those who apparently trivialize it. Also, posting from a cell can be a real pain in the rear and can contribute to these issues.

Jayhawks1985 11 years, 5 months ago

Well, I feel like I have to stand up for this person. It's actually a learning disorder, in their minds they cannot process where the punctuation belongs and to them the sentence looks normal. Problem is people are judged by how they communicate. So for some people life is a real struggle. They never get very far because others think they are lazy when they actually have a serious disorder.

HawkTronic 11 years, 5 months ago

Be sure to use the mathmatical cube symbol "3" at the end.

jayhawkarmy 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm shocked but again i'm not this kid is not ready for the NBA what upsets me is that we had to wait and wait on him to play all the trouble we had to get him and then for one game he shows greatness then FLOP he needs more work than just las vegas camp i guess in a good way it opens up room for someone who want to be a champion

truefan 11 years, 5 months ago

What happened to once a Jayhawk, always a Jayhawk? I don't agree with his decision either, but I'm not going to hate on the kid for following his dream. His dream wasn't to play at KU, but to get to the NBA. Whether he gets there first round, second round, or NBADL doesn't matter to him and it doesn't matter to me either.

I hope he has a great career in the NBA and represents well for the KU in the league. The more success he has there the better it is for us. I think most of his issues were due to missing the first 9 games and then getting injured. If he had those games back I'd be willing to bet we would have seen more 20+ point games from him. The kid is good, and he'll shine in the NBA someday, maybe not next season, but someday.

Ron Prichard 11 years, 5 months ago

Agreed. In my opinion, a poor decision, but it's his decision to make, not mine. I wish he would have developed more another year at KU, as I do think he has a tremendous up-side.

JRandall 11 years, 5 months ago

Please he was never a Jayhawk. He didn't have any interest in KU or his team. It was a free yr of rent and hand holding for him and a great job of him using one of the premiere CBB programs to gain exposure.

KU has now wasted 2 scholarships on 1 and done players. Those 2 slots could now instead be a developed player ready for his Junior Yr and leadership role, aka Kemba Walker type.

phi4life940 11 years, 5 months ago

Exactly my thoughts.

As a fan, I feel used and betrayed. This sucks.

JayDocMD 11 years, 5 months ago

Sounds bitter. Quite a leap to presume to know him and his interests. During the season, he never did or said anything against the team concept. He just didn't perform. People would be posting differently if we had won it all or if Josh would have had the year everyone wanted him to have (including Josh himself.)

In the end, I don't like the way he hung out in Vegas, skipped the team banquet, and left everyone hanging. And I personally don't think he is ready to go pro. But this isn't my future - these aren't my dreams. I'm just a fan wanting my alma mater to be victorious on the hardwood.

My biggest problem is with you saying Josh isn't a Jayhawk. Yes he is. You sound like a jilted lover. Do you say that because he didn't perform? Because he is leaving before he fulfilled our expectations? And if its not about performance, do you think Syracuse fans talk this way about Carmelo, or Kentucky fans John Wall? Regardless - you are wrong. He wore the Crimson and Blue and competed for us. We all should hope for the best for Josh and his NBA aspirations. And for those of you who don't - I would question whether you were ever a "true Jayhawk."

JRandall 11 years, 5 months ago

@JayDocMD Sounds naive with your head buried. Did he ever say or do anything for his team?

JayDocMD 11 years, 5 months ago

The main points: (for those a bit slow on the uptake and/or not 12 years old) 1. his season was disappointing 2. his exit was disappointing 3. your Jayhawk love should not be performance-based.

dylans 11 years, 5 months ago

He never backed the team. Josh's smile was never for another teammate, but only for his own made shots. Watch any game he played in.

JayDocMD 11 years, 5 months ago

Behold, someone with such insight into other's innermost thoughts and motives. You are, forevermore, the Selby-whisperer.

Ron Prichard 11 years, 5 months ago

If KU had won the NC this year and Selby contributed consistent with his averages in the last few games and then decided to go pro, your tune would be completely different. It would have been, "just the right mix." Same for X.

JRandall 11 years, 5 months ago

Good luck Josh, now take your DRAMA & YO MAMMA to the NBA!

GLAD you figured out that you were not KU material, just pissed that KU did not figure out that you were not JAYHAWK material & wasted a scholarship on u.

No hard feelings, but NO love lost either.

Dan Matthews 11 years, 5 months ago


jayhawkarmy 11 years, 5 months ago

Sorry people about commenting so many times my computer was being dumb!

Shelly Harshaw 11 years, 5 months ago

Your computer was only trying to find the period ;-)

Noel Graham 11 years, 5 months ago

Probably a smart move on his part in that he can blame his performance this year on the initial suspension and the foot injury. If he were to come back and have a poor showing next year, he may never get drafted. All you need is to have one GM fall in love with you. I hope he goes high and has a great NBA career, I just don't think that will happen.

ahpersecoachingexperience 11 years, 5 months ago

"showtime selby". . .how about "would of been nice for you to contribute something to the team this year selby"

JRandall 11 years, 5 months ago

"SELLOUT SELBY" formerly knows as the wanna be artist "showtime selby"

KMCcrusader 11 years, 5 months ago

this kid has no respect for kansas. he brought all his off-the-court issues here, and now he announces hes leaving on twitter. i remember when brandon, mario, and shady left, they held a press conference for jayhawk nation. nice knowing ya, but even nicer to see you go!!

Robert Brock 11 years, 5 months ago

I don't think that Josh liked Lawrence or KU. Meh. Sometimes things just don't work out. Good luck, Kid.

dynamitehawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Good luck, Josh. Thanks for coming to KU. I hope your stock raises, b/c your injuries really held you back this year. I can't blame you for chasing your dream. Get your degree, and earn some cash in the league. Don't forget KU, and help us reload!

stevej 11 years, 5 months ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

kevinw2434 11 years, 5 months ago

I would expect this kind of crap from a Mizzou fan but not from a KU fan. Show some class.

Kevin Studer 11 years, 5 months ago

How many times are you going to post your "see you on Cops" thing? It isn't getting any more clever, I promise.

RockinChalkin1984 11 years, 5 months ago

Good luck to you and your family! Everyone saw this coming..... No surprise here!

kevinw2434 11 years, 5 months ago

All you people who are beating down selby should be ashamed. Hes a kid pursuing his dream. He only came to KU because the NBA requires him to go to school for 1 year. He said when he committed that he would only be here one year.

Show some class KU fans and show the kid some support! He might not have been here long and might not have lived up to all the expectations but he is still a Jayhawk and we should support him. We dont want future recruits seeing how quickly we can turn on our players if we don’t like the way they perform.

Good luck Josh. Go make KU proud!!!!!!!!!

murph 11 years, 5 months ago

Uh, no. We don't need to be ashamed - HE needs to be ashamed. He's been all about himself the whole time. This experience makes the idea of a "one and done" extremely distasteful. At least Xavier had enough class to have a press conference to say good-bye, and appeared to have enjoyed his time here. This one has been nothing but a sideshow all year.

If he does get to the Big Time (which I don't think is a given), I'll probably watch him a little - the bigger they are, the harder they fall...and the better the show. I can't wait to see it.

Jace FitzGibbon 11 years, 5 months ago

xavier did enjoy his time here. ive seen him at around lawrence a lot before the nba season. doubt we'll ever see josh in lawrence again....

Michael Bratisax 11 years, 5 months ago

If he read all this crap, who would blame him for not coming back to hang out in Lawrence.

CO_JHawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Good luck Josh. You will always be a Jayhawk. I think most, if not all, REAL Kansas fans hope to see you roaming NBA courts next year. But a lot of us, my self included, fear that it might not happen as soon as you want. You have the talent, work hard and you will be fine. Hope all goes well for you. Most of us will still be rooting for your success.

agraves 11 years, 5 months ago

I have been following KU basketball for years and can say that this year has been fun but it sure is ending bad. Not only the loss but the way the Morris twins announced their departure from KU and now to hear via twitter that Selby is leaving. I think these guys should have the ability to leave college when they want to pursue their career choice because any and every other college student can do the same thing but the way the Morris' and Selby went about making their intentions known is shallow to me. I was never a huge fan of Henry but atleast he left the right way! I wonder if Self found out through twitter as well since he found out through a news report that the Morris' were in LA being wined and dined by agents! There is a right way and a wrong way to go about things and it my take that this years early entrant class from KU did it the wrong way!

Marcia Parsons 11 years, 5 months ago

According to the article above, Self was notified and after that Selby announced on twitter so everyone would stop asking about it. As for the Morris twins, their agent put out the press release before they had a chance to do anything, so what was the use of them having a press conference after it had already been released. I agree it wasn't as nice as when the others players were still in town and made their announcements, but the circumstances were a bit different here.

GabrielMichael 11 years, 5 months ago

Sincere thanks Josh! We would like to have been able to watch you for one more year but I for one wish you success in the future!

Mike Joseph 11 years, 5 months ago

Twitter rhymes with Quitter. Thanks for doing almost nothing the right way since you've been at KU, Josh.

Baulla_aka_Duece 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm glad he is leaving for the NBA cough cough, frees up some bench space and now we don't have to dred the 3 minutes of turnovers and crap threes he shot every time he shot the ball.

Mike Joseph 11 years, 5 months ago

Twitter rhymes with Quitter. Thanks for doing almost nothing the right way since you've been at KU, Josh.

KMCcrusader 11 years, 5 months ago

hahaha i love how this story is on the side panel and mike rivera teaching kid how to crochet is the top story. were showing the same amount of respect for Selby that he showed for us!!!

Baulla_aka_Duece 11 years, 5 months ago

lol even after reading this, if he makes the NBA, I think I'll go and try out for it as well, I mean if this dude makes it, I have a chance.

Spencer Goff 11 years, 5 months ago

I started jogging again recently, gonna drop me about twenty pounds, get a high protein diet, and start working out with some Get Hooooooooody-Weight training (she and I have a licensing agreement on the name). There is a court by my house if you want to start working out together. I figure we can double our odds of hitting the lottery.

If all else fails, I know that our video can be on Tosh.O, maybe we can get invited to the show, and the protein shakes will make me fart so nasty I'll be able to chase my wife around the house. We can go down in history like Denny Blaze.

Either way, this is win-win....

Andy Tweedy 11 years, 5 months ago

Not sure why some of you think this is such a great thing! He may or may not do well in the NBA, but we aren't exactly overflowing with perimeter players who can hit the trey. We have TT and EJ, who are both solid points but not great outside shooters and Releford, who isn't exactly known for his shot either. Woolridge? So some of you would rather kick this kid to the curb and hope that McLemore is the answer from the perimeter, while in the same post saying you're sick of one and done players? Who's to say Ben isn't a one and done? I, for one, would have loved to see him come back and contribute, but we are now in need of both front court AND back court depth. No wonder coach said he needed to hit a homerun on the recruiting front. We need it...

Mike Odishoo 11 years, 5 months ago

I actually thought TT's outside shooting was and will be good. He had to adjust his whole shot because of the finger injury and if I'm not mistaken, he even said he passed on three's because of it. So, with that fixed hopefully, he'll be a perimeter threat?

BCRavenJHawkfan 11 years, 5 months ago

From what I watched TT et al had better percentages than Selby.

murph 11 years, 5 months ago

Totally classless way to leave, but good riddance. He was nothing but a distraction - the team is better without him. Now he won't be in Tyshawn's head, and Elijah can develop his talents better next year. We're lucky he didn't cause more trouble than he did. Very lucky.

Andrew Bary 11 years, 5 months ago

Hey guys, that's one more available scholarship!!!

PhogAdvisory 11 years, 5 months ago

Haha, loving the optimism. To quote another poster: "The glass isn't half-empty, it's 84% full."

C'mon, WillBill! Time to lock 'n' reload again!

GabrielMichael 11 years, 5 months ago

It's kind of a shame he has to mention the fans who are doubting him. The negative comments reflect poorly on all KU fans.

RockChalk26 11 years, 5 months ago

Did you read these comments? There are a lot of doubters here. I don't blame him.

HawkKlaw 11 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. KU nation should support the guy no matter what he chooses to do. There's no reason to get all pissy about it. Anybody that didn't see this coming is a fool. He hasn't been in Lawrence for two weeks! Plus KU is going to be just fine regardless. I wish him the best of luck (despite the fact that I think he, like Xavier and many others, needs at least one to two more years in the NCAA to develop).

Dyrk Dugan 11 years, 5 months ago

once he didn't come back over the weekend....and at the least knew he was gone. he couldn't possibly make up the time missed...and it really would have been questioned.

he shouldn't go, he is not ready, and he will NOT be a first round pick...i will predict that right his decision is the wrong one. but, it's his life and his family's life...and so we wish him well.

he will always be welcome back to AFH.

Kevin Studer 11 years, 5 months ago

This is one guy who will never come back to AFH.

Mike Joseph 11 years, 5 months ago

This just in... KU's 3 point percentage and assist to turnover rate just increased exponentially. In a related story... Josh Selby tweeted that he will not return to KU next season.

murph 11 years, 5 months ago

Nice! I don't get the people whining about us needing 3-point shooters and acting as if he's a loss. He wasn't anything but a space filler on the bench!

Nick Cole 11 years, 5 months ago

Do you think those two stories are related? Or is it just a coincidence?

jaychalk 11 years, 5 months ago

Coward. Couldn't face his coach and teammates to make the announcement. Disrespect after all the work KU went through to make sure he was eligible.

GabrielMichael 11 years, 5 months ago

If I was a top recruit I would think twice about coming to KU... their fans on this board sound like they belong on 'The View'.

Ty Mar 11 years, 5 months ago

I would think twice if i was a recruit too! he pursues his dream and everyone wants to crucify him. He said he was only playing here for one year..but nope-not good enough for the fickled crowd.

Jace FitzGibbon 11 years, 5 months ago

no ones dogging him for pursuing his dream. it just doesnt make sense. he didnt do anything this year to help his stock, he depleted it. now if this past season he avg 20+ ppg and way lower turnovers and finished in the top 3 or won freshman of the year, i think we'd all say good luck we were lucky to have you.

but a kid who rode the bench the whole year and was disappointing leaving early saying hes too good to play for ku and does it through twitter? pass

i wish the morris twins would have done a press conference like cole, xavier, mario shady and brandon all did. it shows they actually care. everyone of them cried when they spoke about it. true jayhawks...josh not so much

Kevin Studer 11 years, 5 months ago

There isn't a fan base in the country (at least, not a knowledgeable one), that wouldn't think he was an idiot. Everyone knows he underperformed, he isn't even a lock for the first round (thus a guaranteed contract) and will spend at least his first year on the bench or in the D-League. He needed at least another year of college to develop. He was outplayed by guys like Morningstar and Reed all year, neither of whom are NBA prospects. He simply is not ready. Clearly. This may derail his career. And announcing via Twitter in another state is a cowardly move. Good luck to him, but he is a fool. Enjoy disappearing into anonymity.

SaltLakeHawk 11 years, 5 months ago

"He simply is not ready. Clearly."

You obviously attended the workouts in Las Vegas.

Otherwise it would be foolish to reach such a definitive conclusion. And you're no fool. Clearly.

Kevin Studer 11 years, 5 months ago

Oh no, you're right. He magically went from liability on the college court to ready for the NBA court. Give me a break.

KUsmoothies 11 years, 5 months ago

I wish him the best of luck, but I don't think his reputation of being a "great" player will keep him in the NBA long, if it gets him there at all. Honestly I think this is great news. Never liked his attitude or the way he carried himself. The fact that he skipped the banquet then announced over twitter also says something about the kid. I would have hated to watch him and his attitude next season taking minutes from guys like Elijah, Tharp or any of our other talented guards.

I would also like to comment on "What about once a Jayhawk, always a Jayhawk?". In my opinion Selby was never a Jayhawk. He wore a KU uniform, but wearing the jersey doesn't automatically make you a Jayhawk. As far as I'm concerned he never earned that right.

Wish him the best, and hope he pulls off a miracle and becomes a successful NBA player, but he was no Jayhawk, only a kid that played for KU for half a season.

KUsmoothies 11 years, 5 months ago

I wish him the best of luck, but I don't think his reputation of being a "great" player will keep him in the NBA long, if it gets him there at all. Honestly I think this is great news. Never liked his attitude or the way he carried himself. The fact that he skipped the banquet then announced over twitter also says something about the kid. I would have hated to watch him and his attitude next season taking minutes from guys like Elijah, Tharp or any of our other talented guards.

I would also like to comment on "What about once a Jayhawk, always a Jayhawk?". In my opinion Selby was never a Jayhawk. He wore a KU uniform, but wearing the jersey doesn't automatically make you a Jayhawk. As far as I'm concerned he never earned that right.

Wish him the best, and hope he pulls off a miracle and becomes a successful NBA player, but he was no Jayhawk, only a kid that played for KU for half a season.

KUsmoothies 11 years, 5 months ago

I wish him the best of luck, but I don't think his reputation of being a "great" player will keep him in the NBA long, if it gets him there at all. Honestly I think this is great news. Never liked his attitude or the way he carried himself. The fact that he skipped the banquet then announced over twitter also says something about the kid. I would have hated to watch him and his attitude next season taking minutes from guys like Elijah, Tharp or any of our other talented guards.

I would also like to comment on "What about once a Jayhawk, always a Jayhawk?". In my opinion Selby was never a Jayhawk. He wore a KU uniform, but wearing the jersey doesn't automatically make you a Jayhawk. As far as I'm concerned he never earned that right.

Wish him the best, and hope he pulls off a miracle and becomes a successful NBA player, but he was no Jayhawk, only a kid that played for KU for half a season.

par521 11 years, 5 months ago

Good news. He was never vested in this team and was anything, but a real contributor to the team. I think he held us back all year. First, we waited for his appearance and then we waited for Bill to take him out.

Ted Adams 11 years, 5 months ago

Good luck in the Spainish/French/Russian/Greecian basketball league next season. I hope the KU vs. USC video impresses them.

Justin Daniel 11 years, 5 months ago

This is probably best for both parties involved. Coach Self's best teams at Tulsa, Illinois and Kansas have been with guys who were in the program for 3-4 years. Selby will make a good living either in the NBA or Europe. Best of luck Josh, Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

IgnorantYokel 11 years, 5 months ago

Ignore the haters.

Best of luck, Josh!

Thanks for choosing the Jayhawks.

focojayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

I am glad this josh selby saga is FINALLY over. This has been going on since he talked about coming to Kansas. He would have been awesome with another season as a Jayhawk, but good riddens. Glad he is gone. Someone who actually has to decide whether he needs to come back or not when he is clearly not ready is better off not bringing the drama back for another season. Can't wait til next season!! As always.......Go Hawks!

jayhawkbymarriage 11 years, 5 months ago

I never really had strong feelings about Josh during the season but he's a kid and I wish him well. I hope he achieves his dream.

I can understand the anger on the board. The whole year I felt mostly frustrated that first he was not playing and then was not producing in games the way I thought he would be. I am not sure how much of this was about the injury.

This being said. It seems that Marcus, Markief, and Thomas really liked this kid. His team seemes to enjoy him. I am sure he contributed behind the scenes even if we were not able to see that much in games. He was part of this team, their chemistry, and their success. I enjoyed watching the team all season and I respect the twins and T-Rob. So I say there is probably just a lot we, as fans, do not know. If his team can wish him well, so can I.

Good luck Josh. I would have liked to see you become a better player at KU. I hope that you are able to have a lasting career.

Rock Chalk!

justinryman 11 years, 5 months ago

WOW when Josh signed with KU last summer everybody was proud to have him, and now all the hate. I don't get it, I get his decision, money talks, I know I wouldn't turn it down at 18 or 19. Just the chance would be worth it.

He beat USC for KU and now all those people who thanked him are now turning their backs on a Jayhawk. Once a Jayhawk always a Jayhawk. Heck if JR Giddons gets listed as an ex-Jayhawk.

I for one am glad he came and gave it the ole college try, wish he could have stayed healthy and kept his game up mentally, but it didn't work out so great, but he was still out there trying.

Thanks Josh for being at KU. Good luck and God speed


lawyermog 11 years, 5 months ago

I don't understand the venom toward Selby. No question his stock probably rises if he comes back...but maybe it doesn't. Maybe HCBS was wrong when he said Josh was the best player he had ever recruited, maybe he gets exposed more next year than he did this year. He came to Kansas, put on the jersey, took Naismith Court in Allen Fieldhouse and we all cheered him...He is a Jayhawk! Selfishly I don't like the decision, but I'm not going to rip the kid because he has a chance to make an extreme amount of money next year.

Best Wishes and Good Luck to the Twins and Selby

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

Ty Mar 11 years, 5 months ago

Good lucky Selby! Sorry for all the trolls on this board! You did said you would be here for only one year so not sure why everyone is raging.....

Kevin Studer 11 years, 5 months ago

People aren't raging. They are just pointing out that, given his subpar performance, this is a dumb decision. Every analyst in America has been saying the same thing: he isn't ready.

Kye Clark 11 years, 5 months ago

"People aren't raging. They are just pointing out that, given his subpar performance, this is a dumb decision."

Here are some of the posts from above:

"What a loser"


"He wasn't anything but a space filler on the bench! "

"I'm glad he is leaving for the NBA cough cough, frees up some bench space and now we don't have to dred the 3 minutes of turnovers and crap threes he shot every time he shot the ball."

"Twitter rhymes with Quitter. Thanks for doing almost nothing the right way since you've been at KU, Josh."

"Totally classless way to leave, but good riddance. He was nothing but a distraction - the team is better without him."

" 'sellout selby' formerly knows as the wanna be artist "showtime selby' "

" 'showtime selby'. . .how about "would of been nice for you to contribute something to the team this year selby' "

"he was never a Jayhawk. He didn't have any interest in KU or his team. It was a free yr of rent and hand holding for him and a great job of him using one of the premiere CBB programs to gain exposure."

"This is one "phenom" I won't miss. One of the worst uses of a scholarship I've ever seen."

"He's a selfish idiot. Let him go to where selfishness is appreciated...NBA.

Most overrated recruit ever."

Care to re-think the statement that people aren't raging? Every comment I cited had almost nothing to do with people thinking it is a mistake or "dumb decision", but rather just venom directed at the kid.

I've seen some of the most fickle, snobbish, low'class fans on here the past week. From the Twins leaving, to Otto Porter going to Georgetown, to Selby's embarrassing. A vast majority have not had one basketball related opinion the whole year and then when bad news hits they can't wait to tear down a 18 year old kid on a message board. Congrats...I'm sure you're all very proud of yourselfs.

I don't think it was the best decision, but I was glad he came here and would tell him to wear his Jayhawk gear proudly. I'm disappointed that he had so much work against him during his short time here and we never really saw him realize his potential. But he had a good attitude, seemed to have genuine camaraderie with his teammates, and cared was never disinterested/detached during the season. I wish him nothing but the best.

JHAWK34TRUTH 11 years, 5 months ago

Why are the doubters so hard on the kid. Let him do his thang and if it all work out, at least we can say we can still put these blue chip kids in the nba to be a OAD. Josh, good luck and rep Kansas to the fullest when you get to the next level and stage in your life. Once a jhawk always a jhawk. Sky's the limit. Wish you luck.

kusportsfan 11 years, 5 months ago

im gonna laugh when all these haters on here change their mind if he ends up being decent in the nba..good luck josh and hope you kill it at the next level

ObiWan 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh never wanted anything to do with college, and he shouldn't have had to go. He wanted to play pro ball all along, but was forced to attend college because of a terrible rule. He will be an impact player someday, but for now he can at least draw a paycheck while he develops. Can't blame him for choosing that path.

FlyingPliers 11 years, 5 months ago

Why do the small minority of a*hole fans have to speak the loudest at times like these? Most of you are giving University of Kansas fans a bad name.

Good luck to you, Josh. I wish you could have had a full, injury free season here. The vast majority of fans join me in wishing you the very best.

Rock Chalk!

100 11 years, 5 months ago

Most of them aren't KU fans.

Look at their profiles.

An unfortunate part of the Internet generation is it gives homo sapiens in Missoura a voice.

Dan Pawlowski 11 years, 5 months ago

Yea your right. Calling people a*holes shows your not one of them.

RockChalk26 11 years, 5 months ago

And you wonder why Kansas misses out on top recruits each year? We should take a look in the mirror. The lack of support some of you are showing Josh is beyond me. If I were the top recruit in the 2012 class and I stubbled across these comments, there is no way I would come play for KU.

It is hard to blame Self for a poor recruiting classes, especially when we don't respect the players he brings in. If you want the top recruits in the nation, then show them some respect. I know they read these message boards and I'm sure it plays a role in their decisions.

We all new he was a OAD, so let it be.

Good luck next Josh! I wish you the best in the NBA.

Steve Gantz 11 years, 5 months ago

I don't think KU misses out on all the top recruits every year.

I don't think recruits read our message boards and decide not to come to KU. Every school's got spaces like this and I'm sure we're no better or no worse.

Generally this space is a classy group of fans who don't tolerate the idiots who must enjoy getting ripped by others.

That being said KU fans are still smarting from an NCAA loss that was very disappointing. Selby is taking the brunt of some of that.

I've been tough on Selby too in recent weeks, although I try to do it in a way that doesn't resort to calling him names/slurs/etc.

Chicago_JHawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Best of luck to him! Not the best way to go about announcing his intentions (I prefer the press releases through the university), but from all I saw, he was always cheering on the sideline and never seemed frustrated. Never seemed to be in poor spirits even with a lack of PT.

Seth Peattie 11 years, 5 months ago

GabrielMichael - you're not a top recruit so shut it. Keep it shut, too.

LJ Gee 11 years, 5 months ago

So to all the fans who berated myself and others on here for saying that this kid was not committed and really didnt care about team and was selfish, I wonder if his 'announcing' this via twitter changes your opinion. he is who i thought he was and thats why Im glad he chose to head to the NBA. The NBA is full of guys just like him. Unfortunately, this is probably the last we will ever here of Josh. Have fun in Europe homie

GoNkrzy 11 years, 5 months ago

I realize that I don't usually comment on this board, however, I feel I must on this particular subject. I think we should all keep in mind just how thrilled we were for Josh to come to KU. Remember the NCAA took forever to decide that Josh was to be allowed to play after his penance was served, (which I feel really hurt Josh..and prevented him from really becoming a strong part of the team). Once he was allowed to practice and finally play, we all saw flashes of what he might become. Sadly, the injury totally screwed that up and by the time Josh finally got back on the floor, he seemed to be always rushing to make himself one of the main focal points of the team. Rushed shots, ill timed drives to the basket, losing the handle on the ball are all things that wear on a player. I'm sure Josh started to doubt himself, making him press harder and harder.

That being said, do I think he's ready for the NBA....nope..!!! Was the time invested in him justified....? Don't know??? He did help us win the USC game. I just hate to see the people on this board start hating on Josh for leaving. He came to KU as a supposed one and done, well he's made that come true. But, with what Josh contributed on the floor this year, he'll barely be missed. I just hate for us to trash him for doing what he was projected to do and that is to leave. I too think he's totally unprepared for the NBA, but he's following his dream. So be it. Good luck Josh, I just really think you made the wrong decision.

tah 11 years, 5 months ago

Good Luck to the young man! Would like to have seen him another year, which I believe he definitely needs. It would allow him to play more of a leader role which he WILL definitely need in the NBA. I'm curious if he even will be drafted? Factor in a possible NBA lock out. That definitely hurts his chances even more. Best of Luck to Mr. Selby!

LJ Gee 11 years, 5 months ago

Trevor Lacey, did you see this? There's a perfect spot for you on the roster now buddy

mae 11 years, 5 months ago

He never failed a drug test, got a DUI, got in a knife fight.... I think the kid is alright. Sure he isn't ready and won't be a starter next season in the NBA, but he has talent and if he has a work ethic he will be a star. I say if, because nobody's seen.

Not playing next year, he'll probably be able to take steroids without worrying about losing playing time and get huge quick.

tis4tim 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm not sure I understand where all the anger toward Josh is coming from. It would seem that if some of you despise this kid so much, you would be thrilled that he has made the decision to move on to the next phase of his life. That way, you wouldn't have to invest anymore time in someone who wields the power to destroy your life like Josh apparently does simply by making a decision on his own future. Furthermore, you could then focus more of your energy on the excitement that surrounds which player Coach Self will get to fill that open scholarship.

This was Josh's decision to make and his alone. Good or bad, he will have to live with that decision. I would have liked to see him play another year of college ball at KU, but whether he plays 4 days or 4 years at Kansas, he'll always be a Jayhawk. I, for one, hope he realizes his dream of playing professionally in the NBA.

Good luck, Josh.

BewareOfThePhogOnTheWater 11 years, 5 months ago

You can put a ball in a kid's hands and teach him how to play. You can give a kid a scholarship to play ball in college. You can make the kid take classes and go to class (or to a tutor), but you can't make him learn. And, most of all, you can't teach a kid class. The real sad thing about this situation is that these kids, who don't have any class and don't value the education they are given the opportunity to get, are most likely to be those who end up making a boat load of money but end up bankrupt in a few years because they didn't know how to handle it -- just like the "poor" NFL players who are having a hard time making ends meet right now. Most of us cannot relate to the way of life these kids had prior to coming to KU. They are lucky to have survived must less be decent, honest, classy human beings. We need to remember that when we place the burden of our expectations on them. Yes, it wasn't a very classy way to make the announcement, but how would he know that. It is obvious that he hasn't had a very positive influence in his life or one of decency, honesty and class. He is following his dream, and that dream will hopefully provide an avenue for him to better his life and that of his family. I don't have high expectations for that, but will be pleasantly surprised if it does happen. He is a Jayhawk regardless, so show some decency and class in how you, as a fellow Jayhawk, conduct yourself. Besides, we are all family and Jayhawks for life.

Alohahawk 11 years, 5 months ago


One shouldn't forget that it wasn't Josh who rated himself on the recruiting boards, it was the "experts". But, if you watch the high school videos of Josh, he did seem impressive against his high school peers.

And, of course, all the coaches were impressed as well.

So, who can blame Josh for getting it in his head, before he played a minute of college ball, that he was NBA ready. Fill a person's head with those kinds of dreams and it's difficult to relinquish them.

While disappointed in how he announced his "retirement" as a Jayhawk, I wish him the best.

On another note: I hope Josh fulfilled his obligations as to paying off the money which the NCAA sanctioned against him. If not, that could prove detrimental to KU's program.

TX 11 years, 5 months ago

"I want to thank the State of Lawrence for allowing my boy to make his dream come true" - momma Selby

Scott Smetana 11 years, 5 months ago

He'll be lucky to ride the pine in the NBA. Collins couldn't even make the team.

It's not Selby's fault. It's the Pimp Daddy NBA with their big checks.

manunitedjayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Let the kid pursue his dream. These decisions are based more on just what KU "fans" want the kid to do. At a prestigious basketball school like KU things like this will happen. As season ticker holders we pride ourselves on wins and championships, but we also pride ourselves on helping our guys get to the next level and use basketball to better their lives. He would not have even came to school if it was not for the ridiculous NBA age rule. This opens up doors for a lot of other things, like getting Deandre Daniels and the advanced improvement hopefully of EJ and Nadir Tharpe. Selby is a good kid, I like his enthusiasm for the game and his smile. He did not have the year most of us expected but if we would have won the national championship some of these ignorant comments on here would not have be made. As Jayhawks supporters we should support this kid and root for him in the NBA. Remember he is just a kid. None of us have ever been in his position so none of us can judge the kid or his family. We will be stacked again next year and be a top 10 team as always.

Kevin Studer 11 years, 5 months ago

"I was pretty bad in college. I couldn't beat out guys like Brady Morningstar for playing time. I am a turnover machine who couldn't score. I will probably have better luck in the NBA, I'm sure it is easier than college ball." -Josh Selby, Rhodes scholarship non-recipient.

Thomas Matlock 11 years, 5 months ago

p.s. Do you have to make the team to still get paid? Wow! Did I just complete a full sentence?

dynamitehawk 11 years, 5 months ago

So... Is it possible that we had the least winning player and most winning player in history on the same team?!??

Jonathan Allison 11 years, 5 months ago

I think Micah Downs won less games as a Jayhawk.

Jason Kerschner 11 years, 5 months ago

This is a huge mistake for Selby. Even if he gets drafted, he will get eaten alive in the NBA. Good luck guarding D Wade or Melo.

ccarp 11 years, 5 months ago

Free's up a schoolie for someone who wants to be here and can play. The USC game was fun, but this was probably best for both sides.

Jonathan Allison 11 years, 5 months ago

He worked hard. He tried hard. Hopefully he leaves in good academic standing. I wish he'd have chosen to return. I wish him the best in the NBA. He will get drafted, and probably in the first round, but, honestly, the team would have been better this year had he never been granted his eligibility.

stevej 11 years, 5 months ago

The biggest issue is the coaches built him up to a level that he could not achieve. You would have thought he was the next Lebron. Well he wasnt and wont be. See you on Dancing With The Stars!

Jeff Soisson 11 years, 5 months ago

I have to say that Selby never seemed to fit at KU and I don't recall any recruit delivering so little in the last twenty years. So as a Jayhawk I will him well, but I can't help but thinking 'way overrated'. I feel like Bill and him just did not get along. Or maybe it was the twins and him not getting along, after all, it was their team. If he starts in the NBA, then a lot of us will be proven wrong. I'm not seeing it.

shinguard 11 years, 5 months ago

From the article

"..a coach who has won seven straight Big 12 titles and a national championship -- i.e., a Hall of Fame coach -- got a close look at the combo guard from Baltimore and decided he couldn't really help the Jayhawks all that much. So consider yourself warned, NBA general managers."

"This is what happens to coddled talents who are coddled too long."

" must be easy to start to think you've already made it even if your coach doesn't feel you're good enough to play in front of Tyrel Reed, Brady Morningstar or Tyshawn Taylor. And you know what? Maybe Selby will be right. Perhaps there's a general manager who will watch him dribble right and dunk in a workout, and that's all it'll take to fall in love. "

could not have put it much better myself

midhawktx 11 years, 5 months ago

The sad part of this article is that it is so true. I think the amazing part is that Selby is compared to Willie Warren. Warren at least started his first two seasons and Selby didn't see much time after his injury.

Hate it for the kid...I think he has too many people telling him the wrong things.

Robert Buckles 11 years, 5 months ago

This kid has been a distraction from day one in my mind this is not a loss fo KU it is a gain one more spot for someone how want to be here I would like to say I'm mad but I'm glad.This kid just made the worst choice of his life. I wish you luck Josh but you will sit at the end of the bench till your sent to the d league. He couldn't even out play Brady for his starting spot who ever told him this is the right thing to do just put the screws to him

Trey Hohman 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh Selby will land somewhere between Scott Padgett and Lester Earl in terms of Jayhawk lore.

Doug LeMoine 11 years, 5 months ago

I think you mean David Padgett, but it would be even funnier if you did mean Scott Padgett.

JRandall 11 years, 5 months ago

Scott Padgett played for UK - Kentucky!

Kristen Downing 11 years, 5 months ago

I never cheered when we got Selby. I am cheering now!

champs528808 11 years, 5 months ago

We need to understand one thing - the kid wouldn't have gone to college if not for the STUPID NBA rule. But now to his future in the NBA - he was the EIGHTH best player in the rotation this year and he truly believes he'll be a first round draft pick!?!? If that's the case, Tyrel and Brady should be lottery picks! Let's be serious here for a minute - the kid couldn't play the point in college, so I'm sure he'll be able to in the NBA. His jump shot went MIA for most of the season, so I'm sure he'll get it back when he's in an NBA arena. Come on, Josh! Now that the NBA summer league has been postponed, it looks like step one in the lockout process. So Josh - good luck in the NBA. I'm convinced you need another year of preparation - but then again, when you're listening to people who are telling you what you want to hear instead of what you need to hear - this is the expected outcome. By the way, announcing your intentions is BUSH LEAGUE!!!!

Trey Hohman 11 years, 5 months ago

somewhere Luke Axtell and Omar Wilkes are rolling over in their cubicles.

Rick Kalebaugh 11 years, 5 months ago

Selby will be one of KU's biggest failures. He's going too soon, too cocky, too foolish. He's no Paul Pierce!!!

stevej 11 years, 5 months ago

in summary, there are still a bunch of us that are not over the VCU loss. We invested huge amounts of time and for some of us money into the season. We all felt cheated, afterall we lost to a team none of us have heard of (2 years in a row) This is not Selby hatred as we all wish the kid well, this is Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda, Didnt! He was suppose to take us to the championship but did not deliver for a number of reasons. Having said that, he is not a true Jhawk and does not deserve to be put in that catagory. He did however play for KU and wear a uniform

midhawktx 11 years, 5 months ago

Most of us have aspirations and dreams. A very select few ever achieve those dreams while the majority of us realize that we will never be able to achieve those dreams. We unfortuante many, must settle for smaller wins in life while realizing that we never stacked up to our hopes and dreams. But the few who made it had help along the way, and cashed in at the right time.

Josh had a chance to fulfill his dreams. He has so much talent, but that talent needs more work in the NBA. I wish him luck, but think he may be 19 when he finds out his dream is over.

siukufan1 11 years, 5 months ago

I do wish the kid luck in the NBA, but as a die hard KU fan I'm glad to see him go. He was an extremely selfish player and at times lost us momentum in games. His twitter actions deliberately show us that he has no respect for KU or those who have gone before him.

This is a good thing because now Trevor Lacey is going to take a serious look at KU and he can shoot from all over the floor. So let me be the first to welcome you Mr. Lacey!

cobweb 11 years, 5 months ago

First comment from Josh and Mama coming in, "My top priority is to get my degree." Forget the OADs and any others pretending to be students by sitting in class listening to their ipods. Give scholarships to kids you can help. Butler shows success can be achieved the right way. Does anyone get any satisfaction winning like Calipari does?

Jory Collins 11 years, 5 months ago

You haters are an awful representation of our fan base. You act like this kid owes you something as a fan.

I hope Josh does great and wish him the best of luck. NO player is going to be able to play to their potential after missing practice, the first nine games, and more games late with injuries. He never had a chance to get in rythm.

The NBA guys saw enough of him in AAU and all-star games to know he is going have a NBA future. I root for every Jayhawk who chooses to suit up for us and represents us in a positive manner. Josh has done that. Just because he didn't get 20 a night is no reason to hate on the kid.

Troy Brodhagen 11 years, 5 months ago

Not a hater, just think it was a huge mistake for him personally. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I have a bet with another Hawk fan that he will never make a NBA roster or at least be on one for any period of time. This is not to say he doesn't have the potential, but until his skills are better developed, he is an undersized guard who hasn't shown handles even close to good enough to run the point. With all that said, if he wasn't going to stay at least 2 more years, this is probably the best decision for him in regards to the draft. If he only came back for next year, I'm afraid he wouldn't show enough improvement over this year and the scouts would be even more down on him.

I'm just excited for Tyshawn and Elijah to get the majority of the minutes at 1 and 2.

FreddyinLA 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh needs reps at the point. The job has been given to TT without a fair competition. Seems to me to be an easy decision. He can get paid in the D-League or Europe for a few years and hopefully get a job in the Association.

I have to give Josh credit for diving on the floor for loose balls and going to the rim hard in our final game. Something you would never see in other OADs who were just trying to get through the season without getting hurt.

arcticjhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm choked that he made this decision as I don't personally think he's ready. The good thing is I never had a chance to become a big fan of his because he never really showed his true skill. Oh well. One more scholarship available to hopefully land a long-term Jayhawk!

kubball99 11 years, 5 months ago

Sorry to see Josh go, but it's his decision and I wish him the best. No reason to disrespect anyone who put on a KU uniform, even if he was only here for a year. While I think his decision to go to the NBA isn't wise, you can't blame the kid for wanting to live out his dream. I think another year at KU would be good for him and his development, but I don't think Selby ever ruled out the possibilty of being a one and done. Josh - wish you the best in the NBA and thank you for your time at KU.

Certainly makes you appreciate T-Rob's commitment to KU. Especially given the recent events in his life and the money calling from the NBA.

IrishHawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Guess this means Withey's declaring next?

Scott Smetana 11 years, 5 months ago

I don't see hardly any haters or trolls on this page... what are you all talking about??!

I also think the majority of you are missing the huge, glaring problem here.... The stupid NBA is robbing these kids with 'potential' of a chance to grow as players and people in college. The money will there if they wait... and more of it. We all know Selby will sit the bench next year in the NBA... if he's lucky. Tell me that's better than training under Bill Self. What a crock!!! The NBA is messing with these kids long term futures as well as killing NCAA basketball.

The only good from this is that I think this might be the best example of what's wrong with the current system. I hope this is plastered all over ESPN and Dickie V and the rest go nuts. Don't be mad at Selby, be hateful for the stupid NBA!!

HAWKTOPIA 11 years, 5 months ago




Craig Colgin 11 years, 5 months ago

A Toast!!

Everybody raise a glass!!!

To you Josh Selby, Good Luck!!

We barely knew ya.

Scott Smetana 11 years, 5 months ago

I just got into Harvard Law School. However, I'm quitting to start a new work from home project that promises nothing but riches. The agents all tell me I'm the man even though I really don't know anything right now about anything. My mom is looking forward to the bling. I'm looking forward to buying a Bentley and the private jets.

-One and Done baby, I'm set for life.


irvan moore 11 years, 5 months ago

it was a good decision, if he came back his stock would have probably gone down.

KU_cynic 11 years, 5 months ago

No Morris twins, no Selby.

Graduation stats for the basketball program not looking too hot these days.

Cameron Schienebeck 11 years, 5 months ago

Glad he finally announced so we know we have an extra scholarship.

Ethan Berger 11 years, 5 months ago

The Good for josh He will have more money then he has ever seen.

The Bad.

Will probaly be a bench player the first few years maybe even forever. Should have stayed and refined his skills. He has the talent, just couldn't hang unto the ball. Shooting was off. Even his layups wouldn't fall. I loved how he always was diving for the ball, seemed to me he always gave a 100 percent. But some scout told him he could be top 10 and now he might not get selected until the second round.

Good luck Josh.

KGphoto 11 years, 5 months ago

Wow. I'm stunned and a little embarrassed by the general reaction.

People calling him cocky, calling him a quitter, a wannabe. That's ridiculous. The kid tried hard, showed serious potential and couldn't catch a break. Now he has a chance make more money than he's ever seen, and he's being ridiculed.

Josh, the "fans" that are bagging you, are having trouble coming to terms with losing you. They know you were the highest rated recruit they've ever seen come to KU, and they feel cheated they never got to see your talent shine more than a few times. But they are selfish and foolish, and you did the right thing. And you will always be a Jayhawk, because you respected the school while you were here, (You picked KU afterall. Over Kensucky and so many others) and you did your best to make us proud. Come back and visit anytime. Good Luck. Rock Chalk.

gchawk 11 years, 5 months ago

At least you won't be starting next season sitting on the bench because of a violation, there are no violations in the NBA. Good luck, hope it works out for ya.

haydenhawkco 11 years, 5 months ago

Every man has the right to pursue happiness.

OJH 11 years, 5 months ago

Good luck Josh, there will always be negative posters, either trolls or fans that are acting like 16 year girls that just got dumped (apologies to 16 year old girls). I would have really liked to see you come back next year and watch you play to your full potential for the whole year, but you have to make the decision that you feel is best, even if some disagree. Most of us would like to see you succeed. Good luck and Go KU!

haydenhawkco 11 years, 5 months ago

Every man has the right to pursue happiness.

Benjamin Piehler 11 years, 5 months ago

didn't anyone ever teach this guy to never break up with your girlfriend via text message? NBA or not, at least have some spine about it.

Viggo3003 11 years, 5 months ago

You know my main issue with Josh is not him leaving it's the same issue I had last year with Sherron.

You should not disrespect your coaches and teammates by not attending the season ending banquet. He could have handled the fact he didn't want to answer questions about his status by asking Self to politely address the crowd to please not focus on Josh or any Jayhawk's future tonight as we're here to celebrate our season. The Morris twins were there and they had not decided yet.

I think it is a slap in the face to your teammates and Coach Self.

Other than that if he can go first round who can blame him.

mispay4ku 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm still smiling about TRob and Taylor staying, new recruits Ben and Braeden joining the Jayhawks, and the twins leaving at a good time for them. I wish Selby would have put in another year but if his heart isn't in's best he goes. Good luck, Josh.

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

What a Bizzarro World......

I just saw a rash of " I think Ahperse is right on posts...."

Either Turner Gill Broke down on the Sidelinesbecause he cannot take the pressure, or It's gotta be something insane.... Like Marvin Williams going Pro early.

The timing is right for him, I guess. As I said earlier, It's right from a monetary perspective, but by no means is he a finished Project. Those who say he's destined for the D-league are probably right. I wouldn't buy a house just yet, JOsh. Who knows where you will be playing next year..... Could be Rochester, could be Philly Could Be Constantinople. None of this is said as a knock, I know what he's capable of he's wicked talented, but.....

It took Paul Pierce three years, though a lot of people argued he could have gone sooner.

Sherron and Cole didn't make it after 4 and 3.

Billy Thomas, Aaron Miles, Keith Langford, Russell Robinson, Sasha Kaun and Darnell didn't make it.

Darrell Arthur, Drew Gooden, and Wayne SImien made the cut but have all had issues staying there.

Kansas has right now 4 guys who look to be long term answers in the NBA with two slwoly winding their careers down ( Paul ( hall of famer but on his way out ), Rush, Mario and Xavier..... And Nick and Kirk are 5 more years tops. )

It's a tough gamble, but I respect you for the Push. Your Smile was infectious, and your willingness to play and learn was never questioned. Good Luck Kid.

David Hewitt 11 years, 5 months ago

Not sure why you're slamming KU's representation in the NBA.

Drew Gooden is an NBA starter who last year signed a 5-year, $30 million deal.

Billy Thomas, Cole Aldrich and Darnell Jackson all played in the NBA - Thomas played in 3 different years, Jackson played LAST NIGHT, and Cole is on the OKC roster and played some games this year. Sasha could be in the NBA but is making more money in Europe than even the NBA plays, and there's no saying he won't be in the NBA eventually. Not sure how these guys "didn't make it".

And of course you're not mentioning the Morris twins, who seem highly likely to get good contracts.

There are very few true superstars in the NBA. Paul Pierce was one for a time, if he isn't still. Some of them, like Kobe and LeBron, never went to any school.

You could probably build a competitive NBA team purely out of KU alums. And if you take KU alums through history and in their primes, you'd get a truly scary team.

I don't think the school has anything to be ashamed of NBA-wise.

rwhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

As a fan, I think it stinks that we got the #1 rated recruit in the country and ended up with a broken hand, 9 game suspension, and an injury that really took away the last 1/3 of the season...especially when I think of other highly rated Cal recruits in recent years...Rose, Wall, Knight...and what they were able to do in their one year. Oh, what could have been?!

hawkfanobserver 11 years, 5 months ago

Too bad!!!! Kid has a lot of talent, we just didn't get to see it all. I thought that the 'Hawks played their best ball when Selby was not in the rotation, maybe he was just trying too hard to prove to everyone just how good he is.

One and dones do not win NCAA championships, do they???

Steve Gantz 11 years, 5 months ago

The only one I can think of in recent memory, and believe me, I, like all of us has tried to forget, was in 2003, Carmelo. Remember him?

Woody Cragg 11 years, 5 months ago

While some of his decisions obviously are those of a youngster, he's got game & if he can make the $$$ at the next level, making a decent living is what you have to do in this life. No spilled milk here Josh, good luck & best wishes always. Wish we could have enjoyed more of your greatness in a Jayhawk uniform. But now you have to be professional in most everything you do, so your decisions must be well advised. No more playing for fun, just a living. I hope it's as good for you that way also. God's speed.

PhogAdvisory 11 years, 5 months ago

I was both less surprised and more upset to hear that the Morii were leaving. They were certainly skilled enough to make it in the big leagues, but dang... I really liked those twins.

In contrast, my initial reaction to Josh's announcement was a resounding: "Meh."

I make it a point not to get attached to freshmen. In the age of OADs, there's just no reason to invest myself in first-years. Which is a shame, because I really wanted to like Josh. I think he played hard when he was in but had an unlucky season. He had a ton of potential that I would've enjoyed seeing develop on Naismith Court, but looks like I won't get that chance. Really have a hard time picturing him doing well in the NBA, but I get why he declared. Like someone else said, it's the system that's broken, not the kids.

I wish him luck and would welcome him back to AFH any time he wanted to visit, but not with any particular gusto. Like most of the posters, I'm not angry. I'm just mildly surprised and exceptionally apathetic.

Michael Auchard 11 years, 5 months ago

Hope he doesn't come to regret this. I'd like nothing more than for him to have a successful career in the League. I don't really see it happening, though.

greenworld 11 years, 5 months ago

He doesnt owe Ku anything. What's one more year of him being here if he were to leave next yr. Another spot taken that somebody else that wants to be here and get a degree could have. I vaguely remember a kid named Deshawn Stephenson that verbally committed to Ku and never even stepped out on the court as a Jayhawk and went straight high school to NBA and ended up sucking if I remember right. Selby has probly been told that he is a top 10-20 first round pick. What do you expect him to do say no and get into a much tougher recruiting NBA class next yr to contend with. ALL you have to do is pull of any NBA draft sheet and his name will be on every single one of them. So I think it does make sense. If somebody is telling you . that u are first round material and could make millions, you expect them to decline and say sorry I have to go back to school next yr and get my degree. NOT!!! There is no such thing as loyalty anymore. Every kids dream is to play in the NBA and there is no right or wrong time to do it. Dont hate the chosen ones just hate the game. There's not enough money that could keep me at Ku if somebody offered me a contract to play in the league. If all you haters are Ku fans, you need to go root for somebody else cuz Selby really way as good as advertised and everybody knows it. Everybody wants him to get better, why so he can play another yr and then leave. Plus if somebody is already good why do they need to get better. I say let him go, there's 20 more waiting in his shadow.

63Jayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Deshawn Stephenson is now playing for the Dallas Mavericks. He's started 54 of 72 games for the Mavericks. He has now had a ten year NBA career. Wonder what his total salary for those ten years has been?

Alohahawk 11 years, 5 months ago

+1 I remember the hype around D. Stephenson and thought it was great that he chose KU as a #1 recruit. Then he jumped to the NBA right out of high school. I don't think he ever started and don't know how long he played in the league. Didn't produce, that's for sure.

63Jayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Alohahawk, See my post above yours. Deshawn is STILL playing and has been a starter much of the past year!

Alohahawk 11 years, 5 months ago

I stand corrected. Shows how much attention I pay to the NBA. I looked for his name a number of times after he went to Utah Jazz (?), and his stats weren't very impressive. Then I lost track of his whereabouts. Thanks for the correction and information.

ahpersecoachingexperience 11 years, 5 months ago

least favorite jayhawk ever!

ok, that crossed the "hater" line.

KUbsee69 11 years, 5 months ago

No, that honor belongs to Micah Downs.

Joe Joseph 11 years, 5 months ago

I'll say it again:

What a waste of a scholarship.

bbhawk234 11 years, 5 months ago

You are a waste of a poster on this site.

Kye Clark 11 years, 5 months ago

I don't think this was the best decision for him, but let's be honest people...most of the negativity isn't based on you thinking he made a huge mistake. It's because selfishly we all hoped he'd come back and realize his potential while at KU.

While I don't agree with his decision, I can see the logic in him turning pro now. By leaving now, he is being drafted on his potential. Had he stayed and had another injury-plagued year, or had a sub-par performance sophomore season, his stock drops even further. And he is a point guard. That is the position he has played his whole life and will play in the NBA. Was he going to play the point next year for KU? Probably not. As someone else pointed out, Self handed that job to Tyshawn, and Josh was the square peg trying to fit into the round hole of Self's "combo guard" position. He did what Brady and Tyrel (and Xavier the year before) did in this role - stood behind the 3-point line and shot threes. Mario Chalmers stayed here for 3 years, had some great defensive skills and was a reliable outside shooter coming off of "the shot" and helped lead the team to an NCAA championship...he was a second round pick. Why? Because he was going to be an NBA point guard based on his height and didn't develop PG skills in college. Josh was likely looking at a similar fate, destined to always be Bill Self's "combo guard" playing off the ball.

Now while I don't necessarily think he could have improved his draft stock by staying a year or more, I think what he could have improved was his NBA longevity. And that is why I think it would have been in his best interest to stay. However, he likely would have needed to stay for 2 more years to develop other skills (defense, jump shot...again similar to Chalmers) to make it onto an NBA roster. And who knows, he might have thought about that, but experiencing two injuries this past year might have scared him enough to think that he needs to get while the gettin's good - get drafted on potential and hope that he can figure the rest out as he goes. Regardless, while I would have enjoyed watching him play in the Crimson & Blue for another year or two, I wish him the best of luck.

Steve Gantz 11 years, 5 months ago

The truth of the matter is we don't know what he's capable of because we didn't get to see him play a full injury free/suspension free season.

Any time I hear a story of a kid who had it tough growing up, and he apparently has, getting a chance to improve not only his, but his families' future, it makes me thankful for whatever it was that gives him a chance.

For future KU recruiting, Coach Self (as if he reads this), 2 years in a row of recruiting OAD's has produced little for KU. I think we all would agree the Roy method of getting kids who stick around for 3 or 4 years (I believe only Pierce and Gooden left early in his tenure) is best in the long run.

HawkKlaw 11 years, 5 months ago

I agree that Roy's method is great, but Self's method won a National Championship at KU. Just sayin'.

63Jayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

I believe you are correct about Gooden and Pierce being the only "Roy" players who left early. HOWEVER, that was then and this is now. The NBA rules have changed and OAD's are more common than during Roy's era. How's ol' Roy doing now with players leaving early?

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

I firmly disagree, The Roy Method never netted us a championship, and Brandon Rush was supposed to be our first one and done... and then things got complicated......

We had a pretty snake bit season, but I'm not sure we aren't better off because of it.

Had Josh succeeded we would not have developed Elijah as the Backup Point guard, and honestly behind Ty, Josh and Elijah there wouldn't have been alot of minutes for Royce or Naadir.... Because of Withey's weight issues ( it's interesting for a while we had a 6 footer who couldn't keep the weight off, and now we can't get a7 footer to keep the weight on ), we couldn't go 4 deep in the Bench, BUT because of that developed Travis Releford as a forward capable of playing either forward position on the post effetively for next year..... Without Selby, We have a legitmate shot at Landing a third scoring option like DeAndre Daniels, who fits a glaring hole this team has currently ( wing Perimeter shooter from the 3-4 ) that would have likely not commited because He would have been likely a bench player and potentially not a scoring threat.... now there is a legitmate chance he's our 6th player in and 15-18 point scorer......

Again, who knows how this will all play out, but I prefer this sort of talent level considerably better than what Roy amassed every two years.

Steve Gantz 11 years, 5 months ago

Thanks for disagreeing without telling me to shut the f up like someone did yesterday!

Roy didn't have the reloading part down like Self does. However, Roy's 97 and 03 teams had more talent (if you look at NBA results) than than Self's 08 team.

xfitter 11 years, 5 months ago

Strongly disagree with that statement, no defense was played from either of those teams of Roys you mentioned. The '08 team is the best team KU has fielded, more wins than any other team in the long history of KU basketball. That team was a defensive machine that would have dismantled both of those teams. You're talking about a team in '03 that has Collison down low with MIKE LEE! The '97 team, I'm not gonna lie that team and the '08 team would have been a match like the Memphis game unfortunately the '97 teams fate ended much like the '11 teams did. Short of the goal but had one hell of a season!

Steve Gantz 11 years, 5 months ago

But when you add the what have they done in the NBA criteria, Roys boys generally did well. Pierce, Lafrentz Vaughn, and the goofy guy (sorry, forgot his name) all had longish NBA careers. The 03 team had Collison, and Hinrich both still playing a lot. (Gooden's still playing too, but he wasn't from the 03 team) From the 08 team, Chalmers and Artthur play regularly, Rush seems to have diminished (I haven't checked, not sure why) and Jackson is making a living playing 5-10 minutes a game. Collins is probably done and Cole ???? As for the defense, well, Roy obviously emphasizes it less than Self, but teaches a stronger offensive game. Obviously it's hard to argue with championships and Self delivered Roy, sadly didn't. (you ever gonna agree with me? :)

Kye Clark 11 years, 5 months ago

Well that was Roy's method when he was here. He's had several kids leave early since being at UNC, which is where he has won championships. that really a better method?

Steve Gantz 11 years, 5 months ago

I should have clarified. Roy seemed to recruit players who with the two exceptions mentioned, stayed all four years. I don't know if it was a method per se, but it's what happened.

Was it better? Who knows! He was agonizingly close in 03, (imagine if Gooden had stayed, that would have been one of the great teams in NCAA history!) and in 97.

Kristen Downing 11 years, 5 months ago

There is a rumor out of the athletic dept. that Self wanted him gone and encouraged him mightily in that direction. I sure hope this is one rumor that is true, as it helps me gain some respect back for Self in the Selby fiasco.

Thomas Matlock 11 years, 5 months ago

Well......he was a waste of a scholarship. I wonder how much money- recruiting, lawyers, medical, etc.- was used on him. Not a good ROI

63Jayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh, I hope you are selected early in the first round. Thank you for choosing to be a Jayhawk. I'm really glad you were here. You made the right choice to come to KU. The circumstances that caused your one year here to be less than both you and the fans would have preferred were beyond your control. I can't say whether you are making the right choice in entering the NBA draft at this time, but I, for one, believe that you will have a very successful career. You will always be a member of the Jayhawk nation. Don't ever forget that. Good luck in the draft!

fansincewilt 11 years, 5 months ago

Good luck to Selby. With Selby in mind, I am wondering if we would do better recruiting players that are going to stay around three or four years unless one and dones is what your team is made of like Kentucky. I don't know. I must admit I am sure not impressed with this year from Selby. I much preferred to see the ball in Taylor's or Johnson's hand. Also, is there any way to win without a lot of dependence on 3 pointers? I think I will have nightmares for some time to come thinking of all those balls banging off of iron at critical times in the VCU game. I think Taylor will average around fourteen a game next year - maybe the same for Robinson. We are going to need more scoring than that. Withey, Johnson and Releford will probably average around six or eight but we are going to need someone to come in with around 18 to make our team complete. I wonder if we are going to have that person. I really don't think that person would have been Selby anyway. I think it may come down to this McLemore and can he score right out of the chute. I don't know. Self''s greatest challenge in his career may be this next year.

HawkKlaw 11 years, 5 months ago

Selby definitely needed a couple more years at KU, but then again, so did people like Xavier Henry and Julian Wright. I think Selby would've helped KU a lot next year, but oh well. KU is still loaded at the guard position and that gives Bill Self one more scholarship to work with. I have a feeling he's going to get a couple more good recruits this offseason and then go after some monsters in next year's recruiting class.

Dan Harris 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh will get plenty of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ but even more splinters in his ass and not from diving for loose balls! Oh well, good luck anyway Josh.

Dan Harris 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh will get plenty of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ but even more splinters in his ass and not from diving for loose balls! Oh well, good luck anyway Josh.

Andrew Dunlap 11 years, 5 months ago

The program is better off without Sekby coming back. He would be a distraction and would also not be focused. I don't blame the kid. He comes from a tough environment in Baltimore. He probably won't go high but he will make at least 400k as a 2nd rounder. More than I made last year. As far as being considered a Jayhawk-let's see if he gives back if he gets a big contract

ahpersecoachingexperience 11 years, 5 months ago

2 good things. 1 josh will be able to play close to home. 2 the generals will gain some much needed athleticism.

Trey Hohman 11 years, 5 months ago

.......and will be joining the LA Clippers with their 5th overall pick in rd.1.

JayhawkMafiaFamily 11 years, 5 months ago

I sure hope HCBS has learned his lesson when it comes to these "OAD's". Both Henry's parents went to KU and we still had to chase him; then we go through all the trouble of getting Selby cleared just to see him leave after one year. Neither lived up to expectations and used KU as a stepping stone for their NBA dream. The mandatory year of college year is obviously BS but I hope in the future we put more effort in recruiting team players that will be as committed to KU as we are to them. Hopefully losing Selby and the Twins will also mean the end of an era of weak team chemistry and losing to mid majors in the NCAA tournament. Here's to the future of KU basketball.

yvonnewarren 11 years, 5 months ago

Good Luck Josh and to your MOM! It may have been short here at KU but Im very glad you chose us to be your family. I believe that once you are a JAYHAWK you will always be a JAYHAWK.Work hard and make us proud as you play in the NBA!!

kutodd 11 years, 5 months ago

I wish luck to Josh and his family. We know how much KU meant to him from his comments and his reason for coming to Lawrence, KS. I hope that he uses the negative comments as a chip on his shoulder..

Tony Bandle 11 years, 5 months ago

1] His decision..not ours. Whether you like it or hate it, you all need to respect it. I totally think it is wrong but it's his life, his dream and his chance. 2] Consider it an addition by subtraction for the the team. Someone who doesn't want to be here can move on and that, not only opens up a scholarship but opens up an opportunity for someone to become a scorer. 3] I think there is a reason Daniels is holding out and even with his trip to Duke next week he now knows the Morrii and Selby are gone. 4] Next year will, at the very least, be really interesting when you lose 6 guys out of your 9 man rotation. Outside of TRob and Tyshawn, that's a hell of a lot of PT opening up on an elite program. 5] I think we're going to lose a lot more games during the regular 2011-2012 season, but we'll be more prepared for the playoffs. 6] One nice thing is looking at the number of posts, the passion for our Jayhawks is still running at the stratospheric level...and kushaw and Jaybate haven't even kicked in yet!!!!!

RockChalk26 11 years, 5 months ago

Good post. I needed a little optimism after reading some of these posts.

I can only imagine what Jaybate and kushaw are preparing for us :)

RockChalk26 11 years, 5 months ago

And there it is. I just had to scroll down a little further

Kent Kossoy 11 years, 5 months ago

Don't let the door hit your a$$ on the way out. Your contribution was minimal. So your loss will also be minimal. I for one don't care to recruit one and dones. Let them go on to the NBA. Give this money to well deserving scholars who drive Datsuns and Toyotas.

jaybate 11 years, 5 months ago

Wish he would have stayed to give us a three impact player team, but it's a smart move by Josh. Josh is a pg, and he was never going to play pg this season with TT solid this season and EJ and Nadiir ready for next year and the following. Self was going to play him out of position at the 3 again for the good of the team. Josh stands to make big money. Insiders know all about him, because of Carmelo's biz manager. Once he proved he was recovered from the stress reaction, he was gold in the NBA.

I cannot believe anyone doubts Josh is a great player, who will do well in the L. Self said he needs reps. But Josh needs reps at the pg, not the 3. Better he gets them now in the L, or the D league, rather than playing 3 another season. Playing 3 was the right thing for the team, but not for Josh. He digit once and once was enough.

A lot of persons are overlooking Josh's relationship with Carmelo's biz manager. Carmelo is now the franchise in NY. The Knicks are rebuilding. Josh is a steal and a fit for them. They may even be able to pick him up in the second round. NY has smart management now. They will get a first rounder in the first rounder and a first rounder in Josh the second round. Carmelo and his biz manager and Knicks management can make this happen.

And Josh can make some money and not risk another injury really wrecking his chances.

There is no strong correlation between "D1 development time" and NBA success. The keys are physical attributes for position (Josh has them), ball skills (check), and physical/emotional maturity (check/check). So: it was time to go, since he was not going to be given the pg at KU for one season.

tvnolan 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh: While I wish you well and can't blame you for chasing the dollars, I haven't seen anything that tells me you are ready. You played behind Brady and Tyrel. I didn't see nearly the same level of skill of Xavier Henry and he is one step from riding the bench for the Grizzlies--averaging about 4 pts a game, and your game is nowhere near where his was. Get some free education while you can and have a chance to live your draft prospects out of the second round.

Marc Frey 11 years, 5 months ago

When I saw the headline, I was thinking "As a season ticket holder"? I do not think he is ready. He better make the first round.

Jayhawk1116 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh who? Did he play this year? He did? Oh ...huh.

Jayhawk1116 11 years, 5 months ago

Maybe he'll join Xavier Henry in the NBA and they can share stories of how overrated and under-productive they both were at KU while they're sitting on the bench.

Joe Baker 11 years, 5 months ago

While they laugh all the way to the bank.

Jayhawk1116 11 years, 5 months ago

So, so tired of one-and-dones. I'll take all the raw 3 stars with upsides I can get.

pinecreek 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh, you let the money guys get into your head. Listen to those that watch the college and the pro game, they all say that you're not ready. Based on your on-court performance, the evidence for a team to draft you is pretty weak.

Anyway, best of luck. You're a borderline 1st rounder in a year when there will be a lockout. Hope that your agent has put the money in the bank for you, it won't come from anywhere else until at least January 2012.

KEITHMILES05 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm not going to read all the comments as there are way too many.

Why didn't Josh himself call Self instead of his mother? I find that shocking and disappointing as it tells me he isn't man enough to make the tough phone call. I know, maybe it's a small thing but it's an indicator of the "me" mentality and not facing life head on.

At the end of the day Self is fine with it so I am also. I am very disappointed we won't be able to see the Josh Selby he COULD be and for Josh it sounds he is disappointed that he couldn't produce like he knows he can. That is life and so be it.

Ted Adams 11 years, 5 months ago

He's been a ME over TEAM player since day one. As far as him not making the call himself to Coach Self, that's absolute cowardess. He was not a good fit at KU, and it's better that he's gone.

kureader 11 years, 5 months ago

Agreed. Time will tell. NBA scouts obviously know more than we do about Josh's basketball potential. I thought I'd be more upset about his departure. For some reason, it doesn't make much difference to me.

Disappointing though. He thinks he's old enough for the NBA, but still needs Mommy to call the Coach. Not a classy way to handle this ... by Josh or his Mom.

Dan Pawlowski 11 years, 5 months ago

On NBA Scouts being knowing more than we do . One name , Darko Millicic. Ok thats an obvious one. Here some more. Jonathan Bender, Marcus Fizer, Rafael Araujo,Aleksandar Radojevic, Ed O'Bannon and Nikoloz Tskitishvili to name a few. All lottery picks who did not even come close to the potential seen in them by the scouts.

RockChalk26 11 years, 5 months ago

And don't forget the biggest bust of all, Sebastian Telfair.

Phogz 11 years, 5 months ago

Sounds like Selby stayed in Vegas until someone finally told him what he wanted to hear.

douglas6280 11 years, 5 months ago

It will be hard to replace a guard who turns the ball over, is an inconsistant shooter, and plays below average defense.

Eric Schneider 11 years, 5 months ago

Ok people, I realize it's been more than 25 years since KC had an NBA team. But are you guys really that clueless about how the draft works. College production doesn't mean much. It's all about upside. Josh has it. A few years ago Marvin Williams was the second overall pick. He never started a game in his only season at Chapel Hill. Aaron Miles and Sherron Collins are two of the most productive point guards in NCAA history. Miles never saw an NBA court, and I'll be shocked if Sherron ever averages double figures. In minutes.

Josh has an NBA body. He has an NBA skill set. He was just snake bit this year. I've never seen a kid have so many different kinds of bad luck. Yes TRob had it much worse. But it didn't keep him off the court. Good luck Josh. He'll be mid to late first round. And there will be a season. It might be a couple of weeks shorter. But they'll get eventually get a deal done.

63Jayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

I generally agree with your comments. However, Aaron Miles DID see an NBA court. As I recall, he was with Golden State until it was time to guarantee his contract. Then he was released. I know, I know, it is a minor point.

BCRavenJHawkfan 11 years, 5 months ago

Well I'll be, after about 10 to 14 days in Vegas Selby finally hit ONE from NBA 3 point range. Uh, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

Hank Cross 11 years, 5 months ago

See FreddyinLA, ict, and Jaybate above for excellent points about why Selby's decision made sense from the perspective that he wasn't going to get reps at his natural PG position next year.

jaybate 11 years, 5 months ago

--Josh jumping is great news in some ways. Trevor Lacey ought to be ours now. Lacey seems like exactly what we need to replace Josh's "go" on offense. And he will be around 2-4 years.

--Is next season Self's year to win a ring with a small team, as Wooden did and as Self got to the elite 8 with @ Tulsa?

--Next year's play throughs: TT, Travis, TRob, (add Daniels if he comes and splits time with Travis).

--Next year's glue: EJ, Withey, Anderson/Justin, Conner, and Jordan.

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

Not sure I see Lacey Fitting.... Unless Self gets completely away from the igh low and starts running and up tempo press style similar to Anderson's, which would be the ultimate Irony.... beating Mizzou with their former coach's Offense that they hated run against them........

Honestly the Player in play here is Daniels........

we got the guards....

Ty, Elijah, Royce, and Naadir

we got the forwards

Ben, Travis ( choose which order ) and possibly Connor

We are missing a big

Thomas, Jeff, Braedan and.....

For sh*ts and giggles we should consider Keith Lumpkin out of Jersey.... for sheer Izzo-determination.

waywardJay 11 years, 5 months ago

THough according to Yahoo he's signed to Rutgers to Play football.

BCRavenJHawkfan 11 years, 5 months ago

I feel kind of sorry for the next guy that has #32 in a Kansas basketball uniform.

Martin Rosenblum 11 years, 5 months ago

Mirages do happen in the desert!

Some people imagine they see water.

Some people think they see NBA careers.

KBPJayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago


Patrickulating 11 years, 5 months ago

Thanks for a great year, Josh. Best of luck in the NBA.

jddehoff 11 years, 5 months ago

Good luck Josh , I hope you get drafted high and you are able to make a bunch of cash !!!

Kevin John 11 years, 5 months ago

Better work extra hard in the NBADL Josh, looking forward to watching you play in the League; after a couple more years of development. Just don't see you being able to stop Rondo, Deron Williams, Monta Ellis, Derrick Rose, and Chris Paul. Just to name a few, you were fooled by NBA represenatives. Good Luck!

Paula Kissinger 11 years, 5 months ago

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Sorry, but I did not see the hype ever fulfilled.

shinguard 11 years, 5 months ago

Really? You had you mother call your coach for you?

Jhawk59 11 years, 5 months ago


***deep breath***


David Howell 11 years, 5 months ago

NBADL is a correct assumption !

Too bad he never really provided us a freshman year worthy of someone ranked so high coming out of high school. Of course poor judgement and AAU basketball handouts screwed him more then he will know. It's hard not to go to the NBA when those around you are telling you how great you are and the fact that the NBA awaits you. Of course it doesn't mean they are right ??

Sad fact is his game never seemed to mesh with that of his teammates. He had his moments, but his weak shooting accuracy and ball handling are going to stick with him for several years. Thus the NBADL for Josh is a given .............

prusso25 11 years, 5 months ago

Just makes me like Trob more.

I know he isn't Blake Griffin, but look at what another year of college did for him. He went from late-mid first rounder to a number one pick. I feel like Selby could only increase his stock with another year of self.

I actually think this might work out from a team perspective. We saw all season Taylor and Selby absolutely can't be on the court at the same time, and I would way rather have Taylor.

Can't wait for next season!

FLJHK 11 years, 5 months ago

Not happy. Not sad. Certainly not angry. It just didn't work out for either side. Time to move along.

I think the decision is in Josh's best interests, and it is not counterproductive to KU's. We've got our PG for next season and likely for future seasons; Josh wasn't going to get much time there next year and I sure don't think he would stick around for a third year.

Josh, for many reasons mostly beyond his control, contributed little this season. But I do respect the attitude he displayed and the effort he gave. He seemed to me a good team guy, despite all the disappointment he endured.

I wish Josh only the best in the league.

PS: the OAD works to the detriment of both the NCAA and the NBA. It needs fixing.

jaybate 11 years, 5 months ago

Daniels is an MUA 3gasm and could play the 4 down the stretch of each half to make FTs.

But what we really need is a 6'8" 235-245 lb banger ready to play 15-20 quality minutes, assuming Withey is ready to rumble; that is, we need what TRob gave us this season. Oh, and since TRob and Withey only FT at 50%, he also needs to be ready to play the last 5 minutes of each half, and FT at 70%.

The possible candidates so far are: Justin Wesly, Braedon Anderson, Jamari Traylor, and ?

This banger seems the real rabbit Self has to extract from a hat.

Do all these guys like protein shakes and weights? They better.

Spencer Goff 11 years, 5 months ago

Solid post.

I'd love to see Daniels in a KU uniform next year. We'll see how it all shakes out.

johninkc1 11 years, 5 months ago

This is my first post. Long time KU fan. Went to the '93 Final Four & '08 Final Four and saw Mario hit the shot that will forever be the yardstick by which seasons and comebacks are measured. I also was in Miami for the Orange Bowl win in '08. Having said that, I am truly troubled, saddened and outraged by a selffish young man who thinks that he is ready for the NBA. He wasn't even ready to start on our '10-'11 team. Selby should have come back to learn from Self and the KU team. His lack of respect for his teammates by missing the banquet and telling the fans via Twitter tell me all I need to know- he is a young man who has been mislead by money and Vegas fools that didn't watch the games this year. Being a Jayhawk means playing for KU over money. I suggest Bill recruit no more one and dones- X and Selby should have both stayed longer. HOW SAD it will be to see Josh sit on the D league bench rather than perhaps on a National Championship team. Good luck, Josh! You will need it.

JayDocMD 11 years, 5 months ago

A lot of posts on here and not sure if this point has been made, but we should address the fact that while announcing plans to pursue his lifelong dream, he actually took the time to mention KU fans doubting him.

Too many yahoos on here are typing things that they would never have the nuts to say to the young man in person. Everyone needs to realize these cyberwords have consequences - and they can hurt our program. In this day and age, you better believe current players and prospective recruits are online reading this garbage. You think that puts our program in a good light? To me - the worst part of this whole debacle is the potential to lose future high-caliber players.

Dan Pawlowski 11 years, 5 months ago

I think the words on this board are nowhere near what he or any NBA rookie hear said to there faces when they get out in the real world. Its time for him to put on his big boy pants.

JayDocMD 11 years, 5 months ago

  1. Not sure how your point responds to my comment. Clearly my point wasn't just about Selby - think bigger picture. future recruits.

  2. To respond to your comment... the negative words on this board didn't start today or even this past week. They've been posted throughout the year before he ever decided to leave. Who knows, possibly even a factor in his decision to leave. We were supposed to be his fanbase - he was part of the Jayhawk family.

JayDocMD 11 years, 5 months ago

whaa? them? I was was responding to your post (singular.) I thought Boulder meant CO but I see now it references the density between your ears. Best of luck with the rest of your sarcastic, nonsensical comments. I'm out -its like arguing with a, well, rock.

Dan Pawlowski 11 years, 5 months ago

Yes, attack the grammar of my remark. I am sure that all of your posts have contained excellent grammar and you have spent the time to proofread all of them. I am sure you when all is said in this world you will get an award for the use of correct grammar in the critical world of online comments. Attacking ones grammar is the sure sign of having nothing else to say. I did not feel the need to explain how my remark addressed your comment because I can tell that would be a waste of my time. You can amuse yourself with your perceived witty repartee. I am sure you sat down and rehearsed that for quite some time. I am sure you can find fault with my choice of wording in this reply. I am just happy I can fill your life with something important to do.

Dan Pawlowski 11 years, 5 months ago

..."I am sure you when"... did you find it yet...? Congratulations another grammar correction badge for you.

Shardwurm 11 years, 5 months ago

He would have made more as a player at KU than he will in the NBA. Dumb.

Todd Simpson 11 years, 5 months ago

I am actually quite glad he went the the NBA....Kansas is dramatically loaded @ the guard position however extremely thin at the 3, 4, and 5 position. I don't expect anything from the front court next season our guards will be carrying us next year

Tyson Ailshie 11 years, 5 months ago

No sleep lost here. On the brighter side, maybe we can cash in on Trevor Lacey, now that he knows that he could potentially earn a starting position. What does that make? Four scholarships to give away? I'm looking forward to this next week to see who we sign!

Dan Pawlowski 11 years, 5 months ago

Please Coach no more "one and dones". They have not done anything for us. This sentiment may be too mean for some of the posters on here worried about chasing away recruits. Sorry if your sad about it but you know what makes me sad. You Do. Maybe we should chug on over to mamby pamby land. Want a tissue?

jaybate 11 years, 5 months ago

Can EJ be the next RR/Brady/ Tyrel glue guy?

Self loved EJ as an MUA 1gasm.

But with Nadiir coming in to backup the 1, self is free to move EJ to the 2 or 3.

EJ has all the tools to be a great glue man. And in the Memphis game last season he filled admirably for slumping Brady. And by the end of last season he seemed finally to learn to play within himself with few errors, good choices, and 40% triceratop. He guards well, too. and shoots FTs decently.

But can EJ give up the impact drug? Can he play all the help defense and do all the stripping Self demands of glue men? Can he take all the thankless criticism that Self's glue men take? Can he take people saying his minutes should be going to young playuhs with more ceiling? Self glue men must have thick skins. They must be happy playing big minutes and being told they are not productive enough. And they must be willing to put up with Self trying out rookie 5stars and OADs ahead of them. Is EJ ready for this?

TT struggled mightily with the role two seasons ago before being moved to pg this past season.

RR had to be willing to let Sherron play for him significant amount of the time.

The role turns high school scoring machines like RR, Brady, and Tyrel into players fans say are just role players, just play because Self owes their dads something, or favors their kind of lesser talent, etc.

The role does not lead to all-conference honors.

And if you cannot trifectate, you almost disappear into the flow, like RR often did.

And when you do make plays, fans say, yeah, but he could not do it all the time...he's just a role player.

Is EJ ready?

It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it in Okie Ball, if the team is going to win 26 to 35 games with 2-3 impact guys.

No one could be a better glue guy than EJ this season.

Ben Mac? Too inexperienced. Travis? Doesn't seem steady enough. Daniels? Fuggeddaboutit. Lacey? Not! Nadiir? Needed at pg backup.

Royce? A definite maybe.

Conner and Jordan? Only if EJ and Royce cannot shoot 40% from trey and cannot play nearly mistake free in a thankless role.

EJ, we know you have impact huevos, but with TT and TRob and Travis, we have impact covered. And if we land Daniels, or Lacey, we've got a third option depth.

What we need is a great glue man.

Are you ready?

Can EJ take it.

RockChalk26 11 years, 5 months ago

He has all the tools to produce at a high level next season. I just hope he is ready to step up. There is no one rooting for him to succeed more then me.

Martin Rosenblum 11 years, 5 months ago

Sasha will make more in the NBA than Selby.

KULA 11 years, 5 months ago

Hope he doesn't get drafted by the team that drafts Brady or Tyrel or he'll never get off the bench.

djhawk75 11 years, 5 months ago

I sure hope that this decision does not backfire on Selby, because if it does he's going to become the poster child for all the folks who decry the "one-and-done" rule. That would be just more bad publicity for KU--the last thing we need.

If Selby had decided to stay at KU and lead us on a deep tournament run his draft stock would be scores better that it is now, and he would be a national figure and a beloved KU player to boot. But it appears to me that the kid has decided to pass up the first class seat to ride coach into the NBA. Hope he doesn't get left behind.

Anyway, KU Basketball is not missing much from his departure because he never gave much to start. I know that is not all his fault, but that's just the way it is.

So goodbye Selby, hello McLemore.

kansas88 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh we hardly knew ye. I will always wish any player who has worn a Kansas uniform good luck. So good luck to you Josh. I have the feeling that we may have a bit of addition by subtraction. We don't really know if Josh would have ever fit into the Combo guard system that seems to work well here. If Selby was the type of guard who needed the ball in his hands to look sucessful then he was at the wrong place. He showed ability to shoot from long range, but never seemed to be the creator I heard he would be. I know he was hurt for much of the year, but it wasn't his lack of explosiveness off the dribble that bothered me. It was his lack of awareness that left me wanting to see more of Elijah on the court. Now, Elijah has his shortcomings, but he knew where and when to move the ball. Our offense seemed to click when he was on the floor. He didn't have to have the ball in his hands constantly for KU to be successful. He made the extra pass and he played D as if it was an insult to be scored on. Another thing I never felt from Selby or for that matter the Twins. Three keys to the 'Hawks success next year. 1)Will Withey DESIRE to hustle, bang and make himself available when Robinson faces the inevitable double team? Will he be the defensive presence that we will sorely need If not, then we may see more Travis Releford inside. Sounds crazy, except Coach Self said that Travis was HIS BEST post defender. 2) Is B-Mac going to be the everything wing player his HS coach claims he is. Can he be the lock down defender and also score enough to stay in the lineup. We need 25-30 minutes from both Withey and McLemore to be a sweet sixteen team. Lastly, Tyshawn and Elijiah need to come up big on both ends of the floor. They are the rangy combo guard types Self loves and they will both set up our defense which was at times painfully lacking. Every year of Jayhawk basketball is a joy for me. Next year will be no different. Could be worse. We could be Kentucky fans where winning at any cost is there sole reason for happiness. I've always like the fact that we are a well grounded group of fans who support their team in good years and bad.

John Sheehan 11 years, 5 months ago

While I think Josh is making a mistake, it's his choice. Oh well - we move on ... we're Kansas.

He committed to KU and gave us a year (albeit not a full year)...and for that he is and will always be a Jayhawk.

Best of luck to you in the league Josh - I hope you do realize not only your dream but also your potential.

arizonahawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Perhaps many of you are looking at this without the grand plan in mind. Josh Selby was one of the highest rated recruits KU has had. Success attracts success. Do I personally believe that Josh's NBA prospects would improve by another year in college, yes. But admittedly, I'm in telecom, not basketball.

Let's give Bill Self some credit here. I'm sure BS knew Selby could be a one and done. Knowing that, he was probably hoping he could catch lightning in a bottle like Syracuse did with Carmelo Anthony. So we didn't cut down the nets after the final game, we still had a year most programs would be quite envious of.

And, let's look at how BS is reloading the roster. I'd like to think that the coaching staff will develop Royce Woolridge into a premier PG. In high school, he proved he had that ability. So long as we keep Danny Manning coaching our bigs, I gotta think that our players can develop as much or more than any other program.

Like it or not, in the Bill Self era, we're signing higher level recruits than during the RW era. With those recruits comes the ability to do incredible things in one season. Conversely, these blue chips are likely gonna chase the money of the NBA and be 2 year players.

Sorry, but I can't think that KU is worse off for having Josh Selby play only one year with us. We will not win the conf. every year. We will not make the Final Four every year BUT we will be in fight Every Year and we have Bill Self and his staff to thank for that.

Dan Pawlowski 11 years, 5 months ago

This is the second time I read this post from you and I am still waiting for you to tell me how Self blew it on Selby. Selby was suspended and then started to get some minutes once the suspension was up. Then he got injured and never seem to get back in a groove. So that was all Selfs fault? Sorry but you blew it on this post and repeating it does not change that.

Joe Baker 11 years, 5 months ago

Boulder- These people know nothing about coaching nor do they know much about recruiting. They'll never admit it but 99% of them would've recruited Selby in a heartbeat under the same circumstances.

ajhk 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh kept his composure while he was here and that must have been tough to do for a young guy dealing with so much and never being able to find rhythm.

Josh, please don't let the negative board rats speak for KU. Most of us KU fans appreciate that you came here and tried your best. All of us, you included Josh, feel frustrated that we never got to see that extraordinary play that you are capable of. Most of us are aware it is not your fault. If you could have done better with the time you had, you would have. Your competitiveness is one of your strengths. Unfortunately, many posters here vent their frustration in a very negative manner without giving much thought to the situation. Why should they though when it is easy to be anonymous. 99% of these people could not and would not say these nasty things to your face given the chance. Hell, there are still people on here trashing Sherron Collins after he gave us everything he could, including all of his eligibility. Let that be a clue- the nasty selfish fans will curse you for leaving early, but if you stay and give everything you have, they'll curse you for not winning a championship.

Because you didn't perform on cue, you're a jerk. If you would have led us to a Championship, you'd be an outstanding young man, and yet still the same person. Josh, can't you see these posts are illogical, emotional tantrums that stem from the chasm created between their expectations of you and what you were able to give under the circumstance?.

It hurts to see you go before reaching your potential in a KU ini, but it is what it is. Good luck Josh, I hope you can still feel like a part of Jayhawk Nation.

lawrence_is_my_middle_name 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh Selby is ready to ride pine. He'll most likely be drafted and make money, but on "potential" alone. I hope he understands that, and if he does, then well that's his decision.

But looking at it realistically, most NBA players would eat him alive when he's playing D, and it didn't seem to me that he could score unless he was taking an open three. I personally think he's making a big mistake because his game is not ready whatsoever. But if some dumb team wants to draft him so he may or may not pan out in three or so seasons, by all means...

And this sounds like sour grapes, but I think the team chemistry will work better without Selby. He was kind of a ball hog. Good luck though, one more Jayhawk in the league isn't a bad thing.

OJH 11 years, 5 months ago

You're right, sounds like sour grapes

Sam Constance 11 years, 5 months ago

Good lord. The jaded attitudes and myopic views of some Jayhawk fans is embarassing to me.

How anyone can say he wasn't a team player is just baffling. He was a prospect that came in with the highest of pedigree (#1 recruit in Rivals' 2010 class) and ended up having a season marred with the frustrations of suspensions, injury, fickle fans and a general check to his ego. And through all that, did we see Josh display insubordination or attitude in games? Did we read stories about his displeasure with his role on the team? Did we hear quotes about his lack of playing time and bench role? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

He said all the right things, and did an amazing job of playing the part of loyal, dedicated role-player on a team where he was clearly one of the top 2-3 in terms of raw athletic ability. Did all of you forget those flashes of brilliance he showed for small stretches of games?

Given a full, regular season with a complete slate of training camp and practice, and not having to play through a difficult injury for the final dozen games of the season, you have to assume those flashes would have become more consistent.

The way some of these comments read, you would think that Selby was a team cancer who played terribly, when an objective view of facts says otherwise.

Am I disappointed he left? Of course. Personally, I think he is closer to "USC Selby", with 21 points and a game winning shot in his college debut against an NCAA tournament team. And I wanted to see him go crazy next year, when the roster changes would have led to a team he was more suited to lead. This year's team was the Morris Twins' and there was no doubt about that. And like a respectful underclassmen, Selby fell in line and deferred to their leadership.

It just makes me so mad to read ingrateful, insensitive, spoiled comments like many of these. He came here to help our basketball program, and instead of welcoming him in, like the Jayhawk family we are all so proud of, we place this conditional status on him: "well, he was OAD and he never really got it going, so he's not really part of the family"

I worry that Selby made a mistake, mainly because it sounds like he was evaluating his NBA Draft readiness based on his own feelings, rather than any pre-scouting done by Self and his staff. Given the right opportunity and time to develop, Selby certainly has chops to be a solid NBA player, no matter how much some soured KU fans believe that any player who can't start at Kansas can't play in the NBA. I wish him all the best, and I will always view his season at Kansas as one of unfortunate circumstance and bad luck, rather than one of failure or misplaced expectations.

Poor showing KU faithful. Poor showing indeed.

Michael Auchard 11 years, 5 months ago

I agree.

The hate has been too great. Selby had a broken hand, and nearly a broken foot, not to mention a nine-game suspension, during his brief tenure at KU. For most players, this would be enough to excuse sub-par play.

I think a lot of the hate here is from results-driven fans who don't really understand what it's like to work an unpaid/professional basketball job and go to class full time.

Not that I do, either. I try to have empathy, however.

As far as Josh going to the League a year too early: I just think there are too many factors for us to understand. I get the feeling, from interviews, that he's from a terrible neighborhood; watching re-runs of The Wire doesn't soften my views on Baltimore.

I don't hold judgment on someone from that kind of situation. I wish him luck and a better scoring average in the NBA than at KU.

Buena Suerte, senior Selby.

jayhawktalk 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh worked hard on D, from what I saw. Got a lot of hands on passes. Guy has a fantastic smile. Seemed, at least to me, that he had a pretty good attitude, despite all the troubles. He seemed like someone that would be a lot of fun to hang out with. He turned the ball over a lot, and his dribbling was suspect. He struggled to adjust to the speed and size of college ball - lots of deflected pass attempts, and struggles to get to the rim, which was likely very easy for him in high school. He loved to shoot, but never proved while at KU that he should be shooting. He never got the reps necessary to comfortably make the adjustment to the college game, but that was no one's fault. His play was not at a level to justify more time... Those are my impressions of Josh, good and bad.

Moving on, it is surprising to me that people feel betrayed. There seems to be a lot of bitter people that are "happy" he is leaving. I honestly believe that there is at least one person that is truly relieved to get this news, and likely played a part in the decision, Coach Self. If Josh had come back next year, it likely would have been a disaster. He likely would have scored a ton of points on 35% shooting. I envision very little offensive flow and poor team chemistry while he was in games, and despite any and all flaws, Self would have been forced to play him because he would not want give future highly ranked recruits the impression (or opposing coaches, also recruiting these players, support for the argument) that they will not have a fighting chance to get significant minutes at KU. Josh entering a weak draft this year is probably the best decision for Josh, and I wish him all the success in the world as he moves on. I personally hope he is an all star by his second or third year in the NBA. While this is probably the best decision for Josh, I am almost certain his decision to leave is what is best for KU basketball for years to come. Self dodged a bullet, and what I think would have been a huge problem. Seemingly a lot of people wish Josh had decided to stay, and I guess the only thing I will say to that is, "be careful what you wish for".

Best of luck, Josh. Thank you for the effort and all the smiles, and I wish you much success in the NBA. ...One word of advice, next time you are faced with a similar decision... Go to the banquet!!! :-)

NationHawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh was born to be in the NBA. I am happy for you brotha. Go prove everyone wrong. It was an absolute honor for KU that you chose to be a Jayhawk... Every reasonable person knows you would have been a much bigger part of the team without the suspension and injury. Not to knock Self or EJ, but i would have started you against Baylor and never would have looked back. You are not a shooting gaurd.... You needed to play point gaurd all along, and I think we maybe would have won a championship if you could have filled that role in due time. Tyshawn played welll for 4 games, but you were born to lead this team and you would have if you would have gotten your swagg right like it sounds like you did in Vegas, Big Up to you, You could have been the general of a team like Kemba at the point and I think Self will lose sleep thinking about what I just posted. But what is done is done. Its all water under the bridge now. Go make a NAME fo' ya self, and forget about all these nay-saying haters. they are in denial. Truth is, you would have balled it up at KU next year, but if you feel you are ready, then light that fuse man. Deep down, we are all thrilled you are a Jayhawk, and you will forever be one. Now, Go get some Dog. All's forgiven and these fools will realize that at some point or another that every man has to be his own man, you are doing that, now shine like you're supposed to. .....

kranny 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh would've gone NBA if not for the moronic one year rule by the NBA. At KU he was an unfortunate victim of circumstance and injury and timing. Anybody who watches bball could see his talent and potential and knows he would've been phenomenal. This is the changing landscape of college ball. There is a reason that the VCUs, the Butlers, and other Mid Majors are performing well in the tourney, it helps when you have players stick around for 3-4 years especially talented guards. The key is to get good athletic guards who will stick around to be able to handle the rigors of the tourney. Seeing a player like Kemba Walker stay all 4 years will be a rarity. Good luck Josh. Hope it works out for you.

Steve Yeakel 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh - we KU fans wish you the very, very best, you are a great guy and a great player, and you will always be a treasured Jayhawk for us. I apologize for any actual KU fans that criticized you, that is flat out wrong and I hope they pick another team. My thought is that at least some of them were other teams' fans posing as ours, trying to accomplish this very thing of trying to influence as great of a player as you to leave us. Go rule the NBA, and come back and visit us.

REHawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh, I will remember you as one of the most exciting recruits ever to migrate to Lawrence. Is sad that you arrived with physical and legal baggage, items out of Bill Self's control. However, once on track, your Jayhawk experience started with a bang, offering boundless pleasure to the Jayhawk Nation. I prefer to remember that USC win as the production of the real Josh Selby.
Thanks for your time in Lawrence, good luck with professional pursuits, and please see it in your heart to return someday when the negativists will have swallowed their bile. I hope to see your production as an exciting point guard in the big league. You will always be a Jayhawk.

Stephen Johnson 11 years, 5 months ago

Good Luck Josh. Wishing you the best. Do your Jayhawk family proud in the pros.

Andy Tweedy 11 years, 5 months ago

Good luck, Josh, but quit having your mom make the hard phone calls!

Martin Rosenblum 11 years, 5 months ago

If he were to go in the first round, it would be to a team that has been given a fairly low number pick. This means that the team would already have seasoned veterans and possibly some younger players who are still in development. The probability of contributing within two to three years more than 5 minutes per game on average is a longshot.

Is the NBA just a resource for these kids from rough neighborhoods who can play some college ball to hire agents to convince team owners to pay their clients more than the minimum salary for rookie players? Maybe Carmelo's guy is a miracle worker who can spin Selby as an unfortunate victim of injuries, etc. while at KU who is really this budding prospect that no team would be smart to pass on. I hope he doesn't use the new photo at the top of this article as a presentation piece. The facial expression speaks volumes relative to attitude and humility.

Ten day contracts rarely ever catapult a marginal player into the average range of income in the NBA. They serve to allow a team to evaluate a player for a short period and to have an easy way to "plug and play" in exhibition and other pre-season activities including summer leagues, etc. He can spend more time in Vegas, however. And he'll end up with a nice collection of jerseys.

KUbsee69 11 years, 5 months ago

"Carmelo's guy" is a business manager, not his sports agent.

Kyle Rohde 11 years, 5 months ago

Having his mother call Coach Self tells me all I need to know about the maturity level of Josh Selby. Wonder if she'll call him in sick to D-League practice too?

John Brown 11 years, 5 months ago

Good luck Josh! I will watch and cheer for you at the NBA level especially if you get drafted by Atlanta but I don't think they have a pick this year.

burnedout 11 years, 5 months ago

JOSH SELBY. JOSH SELBY. JOSH SELBY. JOSH SELBY. JOSH SELBY. I'm just trying to get that name cemented into my memory because once he gets on an NBA roster, no one will ever hear from him again. Too bad he didn't stay and get a degree - he will need it.

cklarock 11 years, 5 months ago

Congratulations Josh and good luck.

You were clear from the beginning that you only planned to play a year in college, and we understood that.

Just remember that most fans are simply disappointed that we lost to VCU and are taking that out on you right now. I'm sorry they are acting like that, but c'est la fandom. Had we won it all this year, you'd hear a very different chorus. In short, man, don't take it personal.

I hope you do well with your professional basketball career, and set yourself up well for life after sports.

Rock Chalk, it's always a good day to be a Jayhawk.

burnedout 11 years, 5 months ago

cklarock - well, you're right that most ( and hopefully ALL ) fans are disappointed that we lost to VCU. ??????? Where did that come from? However, had we won, it wouldn't have had anything to do with Josh Selby, since he made virtually no contribution during the tournament. Or the season. Yeah, yeah, I know he made the game winning shot against USC. Big fat hairy deal. The game wouldn't have been that close if he had not been in it. If memory serves, the whole damn team stood around to watch the Savior of KU basketball and none of them actually played like they had prior to Selby gracing the floor with his presence.

burnedout 11 years, 5 months ago

cklarock - well, you're right that most ( and hopefully ALL ) fans are disappointed that we lost to VCU. ??????? Where did that come from? However, had we won, it wouldn't have had anything to do with Josh Selby, since he made virtually no contribution during the tournament. Or the season. Yeah, yeah, I know he made the game winning shot against USC. Big fat hairy deal. The game wouldn't have been that close if he had not been in it. If memory serves, the whole damn team stood around to watch the Savior of KU basketball and none of them actually played like they had prior to Selby gracing the floor with his presence.

Justin Lindsley 11 years, 5 months ago

The "good" money is reserved for the top 10. Selby is not top 10. He will make some good green for a couple years. He has to prove that he belongs during those first couple years. Of course that is if he is even drafted in the 1st round to get the garunteed contract. A couple million dollars is sweet, but at 19 yrs. old. That probably won't last long. How many broke bankrupt former pro's are there out there? He could always go overseas and make great money. And hey he gets to play basketball and get paid for it. I would trade places with him. Another year with Self and playing against good competition would have helped him. I hope he is ready. You know they say the NBA is a man's league. I hope he grows up quick. Good luck

Janet Olin 11 years, 5 months ago

Chase your dream. Hope it works out, but you probably could've done yourself a favor by playing healthy a year and showing people your real skill set. That said, you announce via Twitter that you're leaving and let mama call Coach?? That's so junior high, just like blowing off the banquet. Says you have no respect for team or teammates. Grow up.

Benjamin Piehler 11 years, 5 months ago

agreed. Its not that hes gone, because we barely felt his presence at all last year. its how he went about it.

if he felt what he was doing was honorable, I daresay he would have made the announcements himself like everyone else. He couldn't even tell coach himself, a guy who stood up for josh at every turn.

A real man wouldn't hide pursuing his dreams, and IF he would have said "this is my dream, I gotta chase it" live at a press conference, maybe even just a phone call to HCBS.... I wouldn't be typing anything here but "good luck".

Patrick Bryant 11 years, 5 months ago

Good luck. Work hard. I truly hope your not part of the next round of 30 for 30 films on ESPN like Marcus Dupree.

Layne Pierce 11 years, 5 months ago

It's a marriage of two good people that fell apart That's the story. Fact is Josh wanted to only be here one year, and so the real question was what kind of a year would that be. Fact is it was miserable, for him and for us. He spent a year trying to get it going, on a team that already had it going. Still we all knew that to win it all, he would have to fit in and take it to another level. You all may recall Hubert Davis, saying that KU without Josh Selby on his game could not win the national championship. For example three or four three point shots made by Selby against VCU, and get the picture. It was going to be a wild weekend, a one time fling with the girl or guy of your dreams, she trips going through the bedroom door, and hurts her leg, then she gets food poisoning...well, you get the picture.

The one thing to remember about KU basketball, is that it is bigger than a player, or even a coach. Rock chalk, jayhawk, KU.

jayhawk725 11 years, 5 months ago

I've got two words for everyone: JaRon Rush. Good luck Josh! Rock Chalk Forever.

Ron Prichard 11 years, 5 months ago

I begged for perspective on here for the last two days. Sadly, it seems we still don't have it. Let's really think for a minute why many on here are upset at Selby. Despite what anyone says, it's because they wanted him to come back. Why? Because they believe that next year he would have been vastly improved, possibly to the point of leading the team in minutes and points. They wanted him back because they believe that with him we have a better chance at being a better team. I totally agree with them and that sentiment.

But, because Selby has chosen to leave and pursue his dream (that is the key here--his dream) and not to fulfill our dreams as KU fans, we bash him, we bash Self, and some have even bashed his mom.

How many of us make a million dollars a year? How many of us would drop everything in a second to make a million dollars a year? Especially if we're going to make doing the job that we have been dreaming of since we were in grade school.

You don't have to be a Selby supporter or even like the kid. But seriously, folks, thank him for his time at KU, respect his decision, and wish him well.

sleep1iopen 11 years, 5 months ago

It's pretty simple - Selby's playing style didn't fit in with Self's system. I hope this doesn't hurt future recruiting.

Go get paid Josh! He'll be a Knick with his buddy Melo.

Chris Bruning 11 years, 5 months ago

i hope you find your game, make millions, and become an all-star. Unfortunately it might not be a good sign that lots of KU fans are saying some negative things. We are the smartest b-ball fans in the world and if we say you aren't very good, i'd put my money on your not very good! good luck! rock chalk jayhawk!!

Ron Prichard 11 years, 5 months ago

You could be the smartest person on this message board, but this is the dumbest comment I think I've read yet. This is your argument? Unbelievable.

Hail_To_Thee 11 years, 5 months ago

Funny how he doesn't play well even late in the season but not even 3 weeks after seasons end and hes feeling back to his old self.

I call BS.

He didn't like it here at Lawrence. Thats obvious by him saying he would not return to Lawrence the rest of the semester.

I don't mind him leaving, just don't BS us like we're ignorant. Tell the truth and be proud of your decision. Thats what kinda pisses me off about some players leaving early these days. Everything always has to be politically correct. Self and staff saying they approve of this.... Really Coach? Please tell us what he contributed to your team this year that makes you feel he is more ready then say, Taylor, EJ, even Reed.....

I don't want the sugar on top. Just tell us all that you didn't enjoy your time and KU and you would rather sit the bench in the league than return to Lawrence. Thats easier to swallow then some pile of BS thats getting stuffed down our throats.

Again, ultimately this is the result of the 1&D rule from the league. Kids have to suffer through a year of college instead of going to the draft directly out of HS like they want to. Selby didnt want to go to college but had no choice. Now that he has his one year required to enter the draft, there's no reason to stay any longer.

I hope self learns to steer clear of young-ins like these. I want kids who come here because they get to wear KANSAS across their chest. Ones that bleed crimson and blue like the rest of us. Not just cause they figure, "If I gotta go to college for one year, might as well choose a team that gets national exposure."

Rule ought to be, go directly to the draft or stay min three years in school.

aviebs51 11 years, 5 months ago

I have to say that I find it absolutely disgusting that so many KU fans are bashing Josh for doing what he wants to do. The whole 'he was never a jayhawk' idea is disgusting at best. He worked harder for that basketball program than any of us on here. Some people just don't worship the opportunity to play for KU like us fans do. KU is an elite program and so you get the best talent. Regardless if people have wanted to be Jayhawks their entire life. Point is this...the kid wants to follow a dream. Regardless if we think it's the right decision for him or not, we should support him in his dreams. This isn't as much of a reflection on Josh as it is the whole "system".

This requirement of 1 year in college is a waste. All it does is bring a name-brand to the NBA. Most people don't follow recruiting websites as close as us KU fans do. So they don't know who these kids are coming out of high school. Now once they go to college for a year and they are showcased during the NCAA tourney people know who they are. It gives NBA GM's a year of scouting against top talent. I personally feel they should change it similar to NCAA football. Make them stay 3 years. I'm fine with letting them go out of high school if they want. If they go to college the must stay for 3 years....

Josh, if you read these boards.....I wish you the best luck. Things may not have worked out as well as both parties hoped for here at KU. None the less you are a Jayhawk and will always be. Please feel free to come back to games and pass on your experience to future recruits. Let them know what it's like playing in the fieldhouse. I wish you the best and please don't let the people "bashing" you get to you. They are just frustrated that you aren't coming back, as we all are.

To the KU fans, grow up. Get off this 19 year olds case about making his decision. If one of us had the opportunity to become a multi-millionaire at that age all of us would have made that decision. Support the kid, he is still a kid. We are all frustrated he's leaving, we are frustrated things didn't turn out the way we hoped. Stuff happens. These comments are things I'd expect to see 2 hours east of Lawrence and an hour west. But not here. Rock Chalk!

theend 11 years, 5 months ago

422 comments and counting!!! What a joke! Don't you people have lives??? Don't you have something better to do???

So he's leaving.....who cares? He was a decent player. Only problem is that he didn't live up to YOUR EXPECTATIONS. That's not his fault.....IT'S YOURS!!!

Get off his back.......and get a life!!!

Doug Aitken 11 years, 5 months ago

If I hear one more of these players say "it's time to go to the next level" or "I'm just chasing my dream", I'm going to puke. If Sherron Collins can't find a roster spot and Mario Chalmers is on the bench, this guy certainly won't fare any better. Josh needs to start learning Spanish, French or Italian, 'cause that's where he'll be playing, not in the NBA.

Brady Swenson 11 years, 5 months ago

Rock Chalk Josh... best of luck in the NBA!

jrbill67 11 years, 5 months ago

Another example as to why the "one and done" is a dumb rule. Let these kids go right to the NBA from high school. They don't need nor do they want school or an education. They need money. If you graduate from high school or hit the age of 18, you can go in the Army, you can get a job, but you can't play in the NBA. Why? Just think, Calipari would lose every game if he had to recruit 4 year guys.........

Jabez Harlan 11 years, 5 months ago

"That’s what I like to do is prove people wrong."

Yeah, Josh did a lot of that all season long. Talent scouts across the country were proved wrong by his lousy performance in a KU uniform.

Good riddance!!!

Jabez Harlan 11 years, 5 months ago

An elite high school recruit who would base his college decision on message board comments must be serious head case!

Kind of like you IrishDaddy! Except for the word elite!

hailtoku 11 years, 5 months ago

As long as he doesn't play Texas-Arlington, Richmond, VCU, Boston U, Nebraska, Colorado etc.. he should be fine.

In his defense, I heard a lot of guys average 7 points in their freshman year of college and then go on to dominate the NBA. I personally think he would drop 35 points against the lakers.

gcjhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh, As a Jayhawk fan I was hoping you would return so I could see you play healthy and at the top of your game. Good Luck in the NBA and once a Jayhawk always a Jayhawk.

fljayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Good luck in Europe Josh. Start brushing up on your Spanish, Italian, French, Turkish, Greek or Hebrew

justinryman 11 years, 5 months ago

Yeah cause Keith Langford didn't have a very good career over there at all did he? And he could make that mid-range jumper while in college, some even said him staying all 4 years hurt his chances in the pro's.

There is no formula on what works and doesn't work for each individual player year in and year out, or what each NBA team's needs are each draft.

JRandall 11 years, 5 months ago

Langford is making 7 figures overseas! It might not have been his NBA dream, but he is financially very successful.

Ethan Berger 11 years, 5 months ago

Can anyone think of a guy who didn't evern average 10 points in college,and was a NBA star? I know in football, its possible. I think selby made a huge mistake. Look at the two Okalahoma guys that left after 1 year last year. Some scout probaly said they were lottery and then they went undrafted. You gotta produce. Doesnt matter what coach system you have. You cant miss open mid range shots and you cant turnover the ball.

Good luck Josh. Glad you got to achieve your dream.

David Howell 11 years, 5 months ago

If this VEGAS camp improved Selby SOOOOOO much, why didn't we all chip in for Withey to go along for the looksie ?

NCAA rules aside, it wouldn't have been such a bad thing for Withey to ride off into the sunset of the NBA !

Oh, some of you are saying you don't think Withey is worthy of a 1st round pick ........ Hummmmmmmm, there you go Withey, accept the challenge. Put on 30 lbs. and become the beast we need down low .............

Ty Mar 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm calling it. Josh will prove all the trolls and spiteful commenter's wrong in the NBA!

beerhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Josh, I know that you wont read this, even if you do read the message boards, the chance of you seeing this post is slim to none. Even still, I would just like to say, that some times it doesnt work out, its a shame that your time here at KU didnt go like we all hoped it would. But that doesnt mean that we (Jayhawk nation) wont root for you in the future.

I for one hope you have a stellar NBA career, I think you have the skills to play, you just couldnt get it going here at KU. Best of luck to you in your endeavors, have a great career, make some serious cash, and maybe win a title some day.

Remember, once a Jayhawk, always a Jayhawk. Anyone who says otherwise isnt a real fan.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Go KU!

90sHawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Fact is, Josh had more to lose by coming back then going to the NBA now. If he came back and went through injuries all over again that limited his growth in year 2, well combine that with what just happened his freshman year and he's likely not drafted at all. By leaving now he can still take advantage of all the potential the pros see in him without his disappointing freshman year (suspension, injury, etc) being held against him all that much. As far as these "KU fans" hating on him and crucifying him for trying to realize his dream, you are an absolute embarassment to all of KU.

Janet Olin 11 years, 5 months ago

Which experts supplied you with these 'facts', please? Every ESPN analyst I heard/read said Josh should come back to school. What are you reading???

90sHawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, come back to school ASSUMING he doesn't go through the injuries he did his freshman year, etc. Of course he needs to develop more, but the 'experts' are basing their opinion on his development injury free. Tell me genius, where would Selby be draft wise if he came back his sophmore year only to battle the same issues?! That's my point.

JRandall 11 years, 5 months ago

Most of the angry and snarky remarks posted are not over the fact that Josh is leaving KU. It's how he chose to leave that seems to be the real issue. I'm just glad the decision is finally over and KU can now get back to looking for recruits that are interested in having a great college career at a top collegiate program.

My irritation and disappointment stems from how he chose to leave and inform KU, his teammates, HCBS, the coaching staff, trainers, fans, etc...

I understand that he is a young kid from Baltimore but common sense, heart and sense of gratitude should have played a role in his ability to define what is a positive way to leave a place that had an impact on him fullfilling his dream.

For all the people on here saying that he was a great teammate and will always be a jayhawk, fine. I respectfully disagree. I think his departure showed his true colors, lack of maturity and self serving attitude.

Wouldn't a good teammate and person truly interested in his teammates who supported him through injury, legal problems, adjusting to campus life, etc... have made the trip back to KU for the Team Banquet? If nothing more than to say "Thank You and Good Bye"

Having your mother call coach Self is truly the actions and decision of a very immature cowardly young man. After investing all that time and energy making sure Josh was cleared to play one year in college, a necessary step in achieving his dream of making it to the NBA.... coach Self deserved a call directly from Josh informing him of his decision.

Announcing his decision to leave KU via Twitter basically showed that he did not think his teammates, coaches, student fans, trainers, local media were worthy of anything more than a few keystrokes.

If this is an example of his decisioin making abilities then I am glad that he never assumed a leadership role on the KU team. I'd rather have a slightly less talented player that is completely interested in his team winning and succeeding. Josh is in for a long road with making good financial decision with all the sharks in the waters concerning contracts and the NBA. I hope he surrounds himself with people that give him better advice than those that advised him on his departure from KU.

OceanStateJayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

I would like to thank all of the angry messengers on here today for making this the most fun day my co-workers have had at work in a long time. Tonight, I am going to start my movie script titled The Fan 2: Lawrence... Hopefully I can get Robert DeNiro to star in the elading role... KU nerds...

90sHawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Let me know when it hits the box office. Sure to be a good one! lol

Hank Cross 11 years, 5 months ago

I agree with the idea of moving away from the OADs and developing a core of players that are just below the OAD level. It disrupts chemistry and creates unreasonable expectations. OTOH I could see a situation in '12 where EJ/Travis/Ben/etc. formed a good basis next year, but need a special player to take it to the next level.

aviebs51 11 years, 5 months ago

You still have to recruit top tier talent. Mario (12), Arthur (16), Rush (13), Julian (8), Sasha (34), Russ Rob (27), Sherron (21), and Cole (30) were all top tier talent. You have to take a chance and get the best players. It doesn't hurt to have some luck but if you remember Rush wanted to come out right after High School. Than tried coming out after his sophmore year....You have to recruit the best players...Everybody said Darnell was a glue guy....well he was a top 60 recruit. Same was said about Russ Rob.

rock_chalk1990 11 years, 5 months ago

I don't know who's a bigger disappointment, Selby or Henry. Hopefully this will work out well for him and that he's not in the D league after a few years.

justinryman 11 years, 5 months ago

And another scholarship opens up as Royce departs from KU.

Ashtin Meerpohl 11 years, 5 months ago

I hate to see ya leave. Really was looking forward to seeing you play for KU after a full offseason and full season. Good luck in the future and I cant wait to play with you on NBA 2K11 next year!

lee3022 11 years, 5 months ago

Thanks, Josh, for the year and the extreme effort you put into that year. Of course we all wish it were a more productive year, but there is no doubt in my mind that you will succeed in the NBA. Actually I hope Portland drafts you as your skills would blend well there.

I also hope you can filter out any negative comments posted anywhere. Throughout your basketball career there will be the naysayers. They don't matter at all if you focus on the positive and lets these others roll right around you.

Alan Braun 11 years, 5 months ago

I wish him well but I suspect he will be spending more time in the D-league or living someplace like Lithuania than he will in the NBA, at least for awhile.

JHWK 11 years, 5 months ago

Best of luck, Josh!

You have a lot better things to do than read comments here by a bunch of speculators, so I hope you don't. We all knew you were going to be here one year, then go to the NBA. How quickly all of that is forgotten by many. We call those people fair-weather fans, but you're used to that by now. Get used to them, because the NBA is not nearly as nice as the rude, classless fans here.

As for you, I hope you appreciate the time, patience and effort the KU coaches put into you. It is the nature of their job, but we do hope you showed them more consideration than these short news articles can articulate.

I certainly hope the people who are giving you advice are worthy, as we have seen many talented young men take the same leap with very poor results.

Best of luck, and as always, Rock Chalk!

Jacobpaul81 11 years, 5 months ago

He ain't ready. All you have to do is watch his court time and realize he doesn't have the head to match his talent set.

jayhawKUr 11 years, 5 months ago

Good luck Josh, I hope your decision was the right one for you and your family. Thank you for your time as a Hawk.

HawkBBall 11 years, 5 months ago

Where we put our emphasis on the college experience, It's all about money with Josh. Good luck to you. Learn the language while you play in Europe.

Commenting has been disabled for this item.