Kansas defeats Kansas State, 81-79

  • 6 p.m., Jan. 30, 2010
  • Bramlage Coliseum, Manhattan, KS

Sunday, January 31, 2010

Collins wills Kansas past Wildcats in OT

Kansas guard Sherron Collins gets a bucket over Kansas State forward Wally Judge after being fouled with seconds remaining in overtime Saturday, Jan. 30, 2010 at Bramlage Coliseum.

Kansas guard Sherron Collins gets a bucket over Kansas State forward Wally Judge after being fouled with seconds remaining in overtime Saturday, Jan. 30, 2010 at Bramlage Coliseum.


Collins propels Kansas past K-State

Kansas basketball used a balanced offensive attack and some late game heroics from guard Sherron Collins to defeat Kansas State and pull to 20-1.

Reader poll

Which Jayhawk was most vital in the overtime period of KU's 81-79 victory over Kansas State?

  • Sherron Collins 63% 2098 votes
  • Cole Aldrich 21% 721 votes
  • Tyshawn Taylor 11% 369 votes
  • Other 2% 95 votes

3283 total votes.

Audio clips

KU-Kansas State basketball

— ESPN Game Day announcer Digger Phelps intercepted Sherron Collins as Kansas University’s sweat-soaked senior guard made his way to the locker room after the Jayhawks’ 81-79 overtime victory over Kansas State on Saturday night in Bramlage Coliseum.

“He said I was on a mission. He said he could see in my eyes that I’m on a mission to win it all,” Collins said after shaking off a sprained ankle and crippling case of the cramps to hit perhaps the biggest basket in the game, a driving one-hander off the glass that stretched a one-point lead to 79-76 with 9.2 seconds left.

“He said I am one of the toughest players he’s ever seen,” Collins added, a proud smile creasing his face.

Collins, who was hacked on the play by Wally Judge, missed the free throw try, but Cole Aldrich tapped the rebound out to Brady Morningstar, who was fouled and drained two free throws at 4.3 seconds to ice a victory that gave KU a two-game lead in the Big 12 race.

Was it the biggest of Collins’ career?

“It had to be,” Collins said of the shot he described as “a push, a floater.”

“Except for Memphis,” he added of a huge three he hit in KU’s late comeback in the 2008 national title game versus the Tigers.

It’s a minor miracle Collins even was on the court to make the pivotal overtime shot against KSU.

Collins was hit hard by cramps on KU’s final possession of regulation, during which he fell and had the ball stripped by Dominique Sutton with three seconds left. Fortunately for KU, with the score tied at 69, Tyrel Reed saved the day by poking the ball from Sutton as he raced in for a game-winning layup.

“I didn’t get a shot up. I tried to make a move. It’s when cramps hit me. I just went down,” Collins saaid.

“Even with the cramps, you’ve got to get a shot in that situation,” he quickly added. “Coach was pretty mad. I was mad, (but) I caught the cramps.”

He started the overtime, but cramped up and left the court with 2:44 left, KU up, 75-74. Collins, who stretched on the sidelines and guzzled Gatorade, returned with a minute to play, KU up 77-76 thanks to a Cole Aldrich hook in the lane at 1:53 that erased a one-point deficit.

Collins hit his shot for the ages in the first KU-KSU overtime game since 1989, thinking about his cramps as he went up.

“I was going to shoot it,” Collins said of making up his mind to score on a key possession that started with :41 left, with KSU coach Frank Martin electing not to foul down by one.

“I was just hoping I didn’t cramp up when I went in. I wanted to get as high as I could when I jumped. I got up and drew contact. Really, I was just going to try to draw contact. I saw I could get in the lane, saw an opening. I actually thought he (Judge) would foul me harder than he fouled me. When I saw I had a chance to get the shot up, my eyes were wide-open.”

KU coach Bill Self rejoiced when the shot banked in.

“It was a heck of a shot, off balance, off one leg, high off the glass. It was a big-time play,” Self said.

In a big-time game.

The Jayhawks, who had five double-digit scorers (Aldrich 18, Collins 16, Morningstar 14, Marcus Morris 13, Tyshawn Taylor 12), overcame a 14-2 KSU run that turned a 43-35 lead into a 49-45 deficit with 9:23 left.

“It’s one of the all-time great road wins we’ve had,” Self said proudly after his No. 2-ranked team improved to 20-1 overall and saw No. 11 KSU fall to 17-4, 4-3.

“Overtime, against a very good team, a Top 10 team, on (ESPN) Game Day. It’s maybe as good a road win as we’ve had since we’ve been at Kansas.”

There were many heroes — Aldrich picked up his fourth foul with 7:28 left in regulation, and Morris fouled out with 4:11 left in regulation — but none bigger than Collins.

“It was big, real big,” Collins said of the victory. “It’s the toughest atmosphere I ever played in, the loudest in my four years.”

Collins again led the way in the intangible department. Heck, he thinks the reason he got the cramps in the first place is his demeanor before the game.

“I wasted too much energy just waiting for the game,” he said. “Coach Self had to tell me in pregame to calm down cause I was so amped for the game, walking around, smiling.”

Self didn’t get a chance to congratulate his team leader until after media interviews long were over, but not because of Digger Phelps.

“He was too busy talking to Erin Andrews,” Self said with a smile, referring to his guard’s postgame interview with ESPN’s popular sideline reporter.


Kent Wells 12 years, 3 months ago

Whatta game! Congrats Hawks on being No. 1. I cant wait to watch them play firsthand at Colorado!

Rock Chalk.

Milhawkee 12 years, 3 months ago

This line doesn't make sense:

"There were many heroes — Aldrich picked up his fourth foul with 7:28 left in regulation, and Morris fouled out with 4:11 left in regulation — but none bigger than Collins."

100 12 years, 3 months ago

Decent game at the Hawktagon of Gloom....

Nice job guys, way to finish.

For those keeping track of "the Octagon of Doom" (which by the way is a square absolutely ugly building), we have won 20 of the last 21 at Allen Fieldhouse West & overall 26 of our last 27 in the small Apple...

What's crazy is, if Mario & the Miracles wouldn't have blown it against Potman Beasley in 2008, it would be 27 in a row at the Hawktagon/Ahearn Fieldhouse...

To put that in context Darnell Valentine was only a couple years into his pro career & Carl Henry was playing for the Jayhawks when this streak got going...

To put that in better perspective, that is nearly 30% of KSU's basketball existence...

It's almost comical that ESPN was suckered by KSU's AD to take away the name "Bramlage" considering they've beat us a total of three times there since Richard Nixon was President!!!!!!!

VegasJhawk09 12 years, 3 months ago

Yah I wondered if it was even really an octagon. LoL @ the silly KState people.

Nutflush21 12 years, 3 months ago

Collins is getting all the press and rightfully so, but lets not forget the game Brady Morningstar put together. He was absolutely terrific in all facets of the game today.

jaybate 12 years, 3 months ago

It was one of the strangest games ever...

Regarding KU, I've never seen KU's bigs miss so many bunnies. I've never seen KU shoot so poorly in a first half and come back and finish 50 percent in FGs and threes both. I've never seen a guy play as unevenly as Tyshawn most of the game, who then plays wonderfully down the stretch and in OT, his drives to the glass literally turning the tide, who also botched a pass big time at a key moment. I've never seen an impact player look as completely in over his head, as Xavier did, who still made some impact plays. I've never seen so many guys on one team make so many bone headed plays down the stretch of a big game, who also made great plays down the same stretch. I've never seen KU blow so many chances to win and still win. I've never seen such an ugly win that felt this good.

Regarding KSU, I've never seen so many guys who can't shoot a lick make big baskets, as KSU's guys did. I've never seen a coach get more out of less material than Frank Martin. I've never seen such a strange offense work as well as KSU's does. If Frank Martin gets hired at a blue blood program, look out. This guy can coach. It is scary to think what he could do with Kentucky's material. I've never seen a guy with as hot of a temper as Martin, stay so calm and cool in such an intense game. He may have finally turned the corner.

Finally, I've never seen so many grey-haired women at a basketball game wearing so many fake chin curtain beards.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

General: I have to really give K-State, Frank Martin, the players and their fans a lot of props. K-State and Little Manhattan put on a terrific gameday for ESPN in front of a national audience all day today. As for the game, Wow! I can't believe this game lasted 2 hours and 45 minutes even with the OT? I don't know, but this was one of the most frustrating basketball games to watch in a long time for me. There was no flow what so ever and I seriously thought I was watching a free throw clinic for 3 hours. I know K-State leads the country in fouls per game, but come on? I thought the officiating was absolutely horrendus for both teams tonight. Nonetheless, the game was pretty even IMO despite the poor officiating. This game comes down to three very big components for me.

1) I thought KU's free throw shooting tonight was horrible and when you face a team that leads the nation in fouls per game, YOU HAVE KNOCK DOWN THE CHARITIES.

2) #1 and #2 tie into one another, but I thought KU's "Poise" at the end of the game was a little unsettling. You have a 3 point lead with the ball and all you have to do is take care of the ball? Unfortuantely KU mis-handle's the ball at half-court and gives up a 3 point play to tie the game. I actually thought it was a charge against Brady, but you're not going to get that call on the road.

Tyshawn Taylor, who I thought played pretty well tonight, had two of the most boneheaded plays in two of the most curcial spots in the game. The end of the game execution was a total lack of "Poise". Besides Collins, who could not get the ball, the KU guards looked afraid to handle to the ball the last 1:30 of the game. This game will definitely improve the late game situation aspects of our offense (Self will address the tape), but it was a very poor display of execution, a lack of poise and worst of all a lack of confidence to handle the rock at the end of regulation.

I also think that the last play of regulation was poorly drawn up. I hope Self has something else in his bag of tricks to run besides a Collins 1 on 1 isolation at the end of the game. I know Collins wants the ball in late game situations, but I hope Tyshawn Taylor gains the confidence for future games that he showed when making that driving basket during the middle of OT.

Somebody else needs to step up at the end of games and not defer quite so much to Collins and Collins needs to allow that maturation process to happen. I don't mind the kids deferring to Collins, but don't be timid or afraid while doing it. Protect the ball, be aggressive, and if the opportunity presents itself for somebody other than Collins to take it, by all means than take what the defense gives you. The problem is everybody on KU not named Collins just "Shut-Down" the last 1:30 and dropped all focus in order to get Collins the ball.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

Everybody in America last night knew where KU wanted to get the ball. As poorly as the last play of regulation ended I think it's only fair that KU give plan B, plan C, and plan D (If there are any such plays in the playbook?) an opportunity and increase the confidence of TT (He did display that in OT) and the rest of the KU guards for late game situations.

3)I am still trying to figure it out, but X only got 16 minutes and was pretty ineffective in this game even though he did hit a couple big shots (The bank shot off the glass was more lucky than good). I am not sure what it means when the guy you bring in at the beginning of the season to help you as the missing ingredient to get to that 2010 championship level is actually still a year away from helping your 2011 rebuilding team get to the next level of success?

I think X only getting 16 minutes in this type of game is very telling and Self is losing a little confidence in crucial game minutes for X. I don't necessarily think that it's too much of a negative as it is more of a freshman just going through first season struggles. We will see, but I am curious to see how all of this will unfold in this season long drama we call "Disecting X's Game".

Offense: I thought KU's offense was run very well for a large part of the game. KU had that dry spell in the second half where K-State went on 14-2 run, but I did think KU executed quite well for a majority of the game. The only part I wish KU would have done better was finishing around the rim. Marcus and Aldrich missed a ton of bunnies, but I think that can get corrected.

Not executing well would be more of a major concern, but I think KU played very soundly in this game offensive wise thoughout most of the game so I am not worried about execution. However, that dry spell in the second half and the last 1:30 of regulation I would like to forget, but that is something Self can show in game film to teach the importance of those situations. I did love when Erin Andrews was reporting on the sideline and commented on how Bill Self was joking around with the guys during the timeout about having fun and enjoying playing in this type of game.

Finally, I do have to give KU's offense some props because playing K-State is no easy task. Normal things just don't happen in a K-State game. They play with such intensity and aggessiveness that they do some mindboggling things on defense that cause you to get off your game, which KSU did against KU. KU has struggled with that 1-3-1 or half court pressure so I do think KU needs to work on those half-court sets when facing a 1-3-1 or half court trap style defense. Considering the hostile environment, the amount of free throws for this game and the overall style KSU plays, I thought all in all KU played pretty well tonight.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

Defense: I think the most mindboggling thing about this game was that at a very big part of the game in the second half that KU had committed 5 more team fouls overall against a team that leads the country in fouls? That seemed very odd to me. I don't know, but I didn't think KU's team defense was that bad for the game. They ran a triangle and two which I thought was very effective against Pullen and Clemente. It shut Clemente down and it "Slowed" Pullen down for a little while at least. I do have to credit Samuels and Kelly because they hit 4 or 5 shots between the two of them from about 12 feet as the shot clock got under 8 seconds.

What I found interesting is that Dickie V and the other guy (His name is slipping my mind at the moment) talked about how K-State practiced yesterday against the triangle and 2 defense. Huh? How would have Frank Martin known to have been able to practice that defense or at the very least prepare for it? I know Self pulls it out every once in a blue moon, but really? KUDOS to Frank Martin if that really is the case, but I thought that was a pretty interesting game note. Did anybody else catch that?
Cole Aldrich: I thought Cole Played really well tonight. I only have a few suggestions for him, but we will start with the posititves. Man, this kid changes the paint area against the opposition. I mean, Cole had 3 more blocks tonight, but I think what impressed me the most about Aldrich tonight was his ability to play with 4 fouls the final 5:12 of regulaton and the entire OT. I mean, you know how hard it is to play 10:12 with 4 fouls? Unbelievable Cole Aldrich! That takes a lot of poise and smarts to play that way and I give you mega props. All in all, great game for Aldrich and now I will talk about some of the bad spots and there are only a few.

As for the negatives, Cole missed a couple of bunnies, but I do like his aggressiveness towards the rim a lot better over the last 4 games. It's starting to "Click" for Aldrich. The one thing that is driving me nuts is the fact that he goes away from the basket when he is right under the rim. It's completely weird because he will be facing the goal on the left block and spin all the around over his left shoulder for a 3 foot soft baby hook with his right hand when he was already 2 feet from the basket? It seems like an awful lot of turning and "Gathering" when he was within a foot to begin with. He did that 3 times tonight and it's a frustrating post move that he does because it allows him to give up his ground to the defense. Finally, I thought Aldrich used really poor judgement with a stupid reach in foul to pick up his 4th foul. He'll get called for that everytime on the road. However, his excellent play over 10 minutes while having 4 fouls pretty much trumps that so I will give Aldrich a "Great Game" pat on the back.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

Oh, did anybody see the sign of Aldrich and his one tooth and the monster from The Goonies that said "Resemblance"? That was classic and it made me laugh.

Here are the two picks the fan used:

Sherron Collins: Besides the huge bucket in OT I thought Collins had a pretty quiet night. I know that sounds weird for a guy who shot 7-14 from the field to score 16 points, but it just seemed as though Collins was deferring a lot to his teammates until the very end of regulation and OT. I think K-State did a great job of shadowing Collins the entire game, but even when we as viewers think Collins had an "Off Night" he still pulls down 16 points and gets the wonderful opportunity to have a post-game interview with Erin Andrews.

Another solid effort from Collins and my only negative was that pull up 3 in transition after he made a 3, Pullen made a 3, and then he came down in transition to "Prove a Point" and missed badly. Take that shot away and I don't have any problems with Collins. I think Self needed to draw something else up at the end of regulation, but that's IMHO. The last minute of regulation is something Self, Collins, and Tyshawn Taylor would all like to forget.

Tyshawn Taylor: Before you rush to judgement here make sure you read this whole paragraph first. I think if you take away the final 1:30 of regulation, Tyshawn Taylor played an outstanding game. Those two turnovers in the final 36 seconds were absolutely horrendus. There is no denying that and there is no other word to describe Taylor's decision making at the end of regulation. I don't know what he was thinking, but this is where I think all the guards besides Collins need to change their mindset and quit deferring to him (Collins) so much.

Taylor just needs to be aggressive and if he's got the ball in his hands at the end of the game then he needs to act like he belongs and take over the game even though Collins may not like it. He did have that mindset in OT with that drive, but I want TT to take it to anther level and get that "Swagger" as if he's going to win the ball game. I kind of wish he would just shrug Collins off and just say, "I got your back Sherron and I am going to create or do whatever I need to win this ball game." Great game Taylor, but I would change your mindset at the end of regulation and attack like you did in OT. Also, I thought that was a bogus charge called on him late in the game. There is no way that defender could have come from being beat to getting set for that charge in a span of 5 feet.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

Marcus Morris: MISSED BUNNIES! Damn Marcus? You had a fantastic game yet you missed 3 bunnies. Those "Bunnies" turned out to be quite crucial in the overall ending of this game. This is going to sound a little funny, but I am more confident with Marcus shooting at about 8 feet from his half-post spot than I am with his 2 foot bunnies. I can't fault a double-double guy too much, but he cost himself a 20-10 night and all he has to do is look at himself in the mirror for that. That is correctable! He's done that a few times this year, but he still got his 11 FG attempts which is still a rememdy for success for KU even when you do foul out with over 4 minutes to go. Just make your lay-ups and I'll be 110 percent happy rather than just my 100 percent happy at the moment. Couple of "Phantom Calls" really cost Marcus tonight.

Kieff: This is the first time in a long time I actually had to separate "The Twins" apart from another when discussing them. Not a very good night for ole' Kieff. He did grab some big rebounds for KU tonight, but his Free Throw shooting could have cost KU late in the game (0-4). Got to hit those Kieff! I am not quite sure how he gets completely pummeled in the middle of the paint by a driving guard and not one thing was called. I mean, Kieff should have been awarded the charge, but the whistle wasn't blown after 3 players ended up on the floor? That was pretty much a sign on how the rest of the game was going to go for both teams.

X: 16 minutes is not good for the success of KU in the future for the rest of this 2010 season or is it? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! I don't know what to think at the moment as I stated above. To me, it seems as Self has lost a little confidence in X. I don't think it's just a bad game as it is Self trusting X tonight. X spends to much time trying to go "East/West" rather than heading "North/South" and attacking the rim. Too much East/West dribble movement even when he's trying to create. My opinion is just go around the guy and quit trying to cross-over your man 35 feet from the basket.

Pretty impressive X didn't shoot one 3 tonight, but that also shows why X received only 16 minutes. KU has a 6'6 NBA Body Brady Morningstar on our team at the moment and KU don't need two Brady Morningstar's on this team. The 6'3", 190 lb Brady Morningstar is the one I like and I don't need a bigger, stronger version of him hanging around the perimeter. It's getting crunch time with X ladies and gents? We'll see where this goes, but I think we are at a very interesting spot in the season at the moment with X? We'll see what Self ends up doing and I'm very intrigued to see how this process unfolds over the next 3 or 4 games.

iahawkfan 12 years, 3 months ago

LOL jaybate @ they grey haired bearded ladies. They kept showing them all the damn time. I am sure I have less years to live now because of this game. Nervewracking, but an exciting one the good guys pulled out.

Rock Chalk!!!

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

Brady Morninstar: What else can you say about Brady Morningstar? I got nothing except he just keeps getting better, better, better and more impressive with each game. His confidence is rising and rising with every game he starts. You would have thought X would be there at the moment at this juncture of the season, but it's Morningstar after just 10 games. I thought he did a good job on Pullen, but Pullen did hit some tough shots with a hand in his face. By the way, Morningstar hit some big 3's tonight to propel KU back in the lead on two different ocassions. Most take Morningstar for granted and it's time to start valuing the assets that this kid brings to the table.

Reed: Reed played his role tonight which is fine with me. K-State didn't allow him any looks from 3 so props to K-State for not allowing Reed or X (Zero Attempts) to have any attempts from downtown. I don't even remember Reed's bucket so that pretty much sums up my memory of Reed's play tonight. There is nothing wrong with that by the way. KSU's guards were playing extra hard on Reed tonight so props to Reed.

Withey: I thought Self's usage of putting Withey in when he did was very poor timing and not a place in the game to be inserting Withey with just under 10 minutes to play in the game coming out of a timeout. Give Robinson the oppotunity in that spot or go small with your guard lineup which Self was forced to go to late in the game. I think Self setup Withey for failure in that particular situation of the game.

Conclusion: K-State plays a style that makes you play ugly, but for the most part I thought KU played pretty well tonight. Credit KSU for playing a great game. I would change a few aspects of the game, but I mentioned all that above. Did anybody else catch Dickie V talking about Calipari and how X and the Twins were committed to Memphis? That irritated me quite a bit when Dickie (ACC) V was trying to throw that little tidbit in there. Props to Collins for taking the game over in OT and Props to Aldrich for playing so many minutes with 4 fouls. That's what "True All-Americans" do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IBRONNIEB 12 years, 3 months ago

Reed made the biggest unnoticed play of the game by stripping the ball from the State player who was going in for a game winning basket! Without that play, we lose. As far as losing their poise at the end of the game, the KU players keeping their poise, in a very tough environment is what finally won this game. That and getting the ball to your go to guy, at the end. Dickie V (while I find it hard to listen to him) was right about only a few players are just winners! Collins is who I want with the ball when its time for THE shot. No need to say anything other than we just won on the road, against a top 10 (in my mind) team, who happens to be one of our biggest rivals, with one of our best players on the bench, and our leader banged up, thats what Champions do!!!!!

mojayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago

Whew, kushaw. I had trouble getting to sleep after that one too.

Yes, Dickie V's comment about Calipari was irritating to me too. For some reason, Calipari seems to be popular with the media guys. I, for one, don't trust Cal's connections with the likes of Worldwide Wes (google this guy) and his slick recruiting tactics. We have not had Dickie V's favor since his pal Roy left for the 'Heels. At one time, I thought he loved Kansas, but I think he loved Roy more. Dickie has lost a little of his luster for the Hawks, but is still colorful.

All said, What a game! Lots of toughness on both sides of the court.

Also, props to both teams for great sportsmanship in a tense environment.

Marcia Parsons 12 years, 3 months ago

I don't even remember Reed's bucket so that pretty much sums up my memory of Reed's play tonight.

This was the only part of your thorough review that surprised me. Weren't you watching when Reed saved the game at the end of overtime? He poked away a sure lay-up by (Sutton maybe?) that would have won the game for KSU in regullation.

hawker1234 12 years, 3 months ago

i've never.......seen a comment with a recurring theme. sounds like somebody spent the saturday night with "the girls" playing "i've never".

so cute

i've never.........

Marcia Parsons 12 years, 3 months ago

Sorry about that. I meant Reed saved the game at the end of regulation and put it into overtime. Too early!

NebraskaJayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago

I thought you were right on with just about everything you commented on kushaw. Though I do think the most important statement for Bill Self to understand and get through to his players is this one.

"Somebody else needs to step up at the end of games and not defer quite so much to Collins and Collins needs to allow that maturation process to happen. I don't mind the kids deferring to Collins, but don't be timid or afraid while doing it. Protect the ball, be aggressive, and if the opportunity presents itself for somebody other than Collins to take it, by all means than take what the defense gives you."

Sooooooo important to understand. You do need "go-to" guys in doubt about it. But if you look at our championship team in 2008, we had 5 of them on the court at the end of that championship game. We need to develop these younger guys into these type of players. Players who want to drive the dagger in late in a ballgame and twist it in hard. Collins is this type of player. He always has been. His desire to win and be "the guy" is unmatched on this particular team. What a pleasure it is to have him on this team during his senior season.

Brady Morningstar...outstanding game.....a g a i n. Keep it up, man. In my opinion, this guy is turning into a Russell Robinson that can shoot. He is turning into the "glue-man" for this KU squad.

Great game 'hawks!

gardenjay 12 years, 3 months ago

I've never ... seen so many fans posting in the middle of the night, including myself. Coffee, anyone?

Ed Fox 12 years, 3 months ago

Yes, the national title team had 5 great players, but when they needed a bucket it was always Mario who got the call. Remember USC and Texas? I think we're blowing this out of proportion. We need players to make plays all the time, but Sherron, like Mario, is going to be the guy with the ball when the game is on the line. Given how many times he's shown what he can do, I think it's time everyone accepts that fact and quit yapping about somehow forcing other guys to be THE guy. About 250 teams would kill to have a guy half as clutch as Sherron Collins.

Robert Lofthouse 12 years, 3 months ago

UGLY win... for all the entertaining analysis posted on this story, KU won with grit and determination all around, the best players banged up and off the floor at crucial moments.. Collins Raiders: king Cole, mercury Morris, Ty-Reed, star Brady, and TT all doing their part to lock this one in with a balanced scoring attack and key defensive stops.

If X hits his average, we would have had six scoring in double figures with two double doubles.

As we say in the Marines, adapt, improvise and overcome - when the playbook isn't working for ya, the Jayhawks found a way to win .. and that's what winners do! That's why they're so much fun to watch!

Quoted from Pat Forde on ESPN:

"You're going to get done playing basketball, and you're going to look back and say, 'I loved playing that game,'" Aldrich said.

And he loved having Sherron Collins and his onions alongside at winning time.

Rock Chalk.

dynamitehawk 12 years, 3 months ago

Who Dat? Dat is Sherron Collins, probably eating a bowl of granite chunks and washing them down with a steaming cup of Mt Vesuvius' molten lava right now. I want a Sherron bobble-head for my desk at work, but a bobble-head would not do him justice. The only thing that could do him justice would be a five pound rolling bobble-head, that could knock my computer monitor over if I don't guard it right.

Clarence Haynes 12 years, 3 months ago

NebraskaJayhawk...We need to just continue to win regardless of the score or how effective one player or the other was! So what if everything did not go as scripted last night. The "Hawks still prevailed against a tough team and in front of a tough crowd. Judging from some of the stuff that I've read here, it sound as if we're 1-20 as opposed to 20-1 and top ranked! Keep bustin' em "Hawks!

NH_JHawk 12 years, 3 months ago

As each game passes by, the importance of Brady's role on this team just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger. X is a superior athlete, but Morningstar has a superior basketball IQ. For most of the game, KSU was overplaying on D. Brady recognized it late in the game and made that back door cut for an easy layup. Just one of many critical plays he's made this year. He was also highly effective on his defensive assignment, virtually shutting down their guard play. Neither Clemente or Pullen had the night they needed to have to propel KSU to a win. Kid is a stud!

PAHAWK1 12 years, 3 months ago

Kushaw, I will not make too much out of X's 16 minutes of playing time. Self played X for 29 minutes on Monday at home. I thought that Self protected his rookies from the hostile crowd on the road. Robinson did not play either. KU will not be facing that kind of a crowd during the NCAA tournament or for that matter in league games (except at Texas and Missouri). X is an important player for KU's success.

Glen Darge 12 years, 3 months ago

All I got to say is that I am proud to be associated with the KU B-Ball team. They play with a professional attitude, they don't let things bother them and they realize no one team member should get all the glory. They all deserve that! I cannot say enough good for Coach Self. This man is good for Kansas and the College and the team. He is highly professional in every way. It's some of the disscourteous fans that upset me and the way they act over a game. They don't need to get nasty and constantly remind any one on an opossing team that they missed the basket and goal by hollering "air ball" that really sounds stupid. Those young people play this game for several reasons and one of them is entertainment for us viewers. So show some respect for them too.

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

Post-game musings:

  • Sherron stepped up and was the man at the end of OT. I know it's sacriledge to criticize the guy, but the play he made towards the end of regulation, falling down then throwing it right at a K-State player almost cost us the game. Think about if that would have been TT, or X. Cramps or not, they'd be getting murdered on the message boards. I have nothing but love and respect for the guy, but even superstars make bad decisions, and if not for Reed poking that ball away at the end Sherron would have been the goat. I understand the guy is our leader, a fierce competitor, and the guy you wanting with the ball in his hands at the end. However, if he knows he's not right physically he should be more open to deferring to some of his teammates. At the end he had ice water in his veins, took it to the hoop and sealed the deal, all while dealing with various physical ailments.

Another player that is almost untouchable on these message boards is Brady, but he had some serious mental lapses. Dribbling too much at the end of the 1st half and letting the shot clock expire, not having a mental clock in his head and getting a five second in-bounds call instead of at the least calling a time-out, and then towards the end pulling up short as TT was passing him the ball. That will go as a TO for Tyshawn, but it was clearly on Brady. I'll ask again, what if that was X, or if the situations were reversed and it was TT not coming to the ball? They'd be crucified. That being said, he hit a couple of big shots, fed the post beautifully, and played stellar defense.

If there was any doubt before, Cole is back. He had a huge game against a physical front line, and played great with 4 fouls and without his partner in crime Marcus Morris there with him down the stretch. His authoritative block down the stretch sent a message that even with 4 fouls you shouldn't test the middle against this guy. I know Brady is often termed the team's lock-down defender, but the one man zone Cole plays in the middle makes him our defensive MVP on the season.

It was great to see Tyshawn contributing so much after being in the doghouse for quite a while, and for underperforming much of the season. I thought it was funny that the ESPN guys kept saying how important he is to our team this season considering so many KU fans have kind of had a dismissive attitude regarding him even being on the team this year (many posters all to eager for him to transfer after his alleged facebook comments). If the guy only had some semblence of an outside shot he would be indispensable, but he doesn't even have it in his arsenal. I like that he is agressive driving the ball.

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

I don't know if he was timid or just had trouble finding his shot, but Markieff should get more than one shot attempt in 21 minutes. I think maybe foul trouble took him out of rhythm moreso than Cole and Marcus, but he was agressive on the glass. His assist to Brady late in the game, with Sherron sidelined due to injuries, KSU trapping and the shot clock winding down, showed great poise. It was huge.

I don't think I've seen a team this year guard the perimeter as well as K-State did tonight. On the season we're averaging about 19 3PA/game, but in an overtime game to only take 10 seems pretty remarkable. I also thought for the most part we didn't do a very good job of driving the basketball. However, we did a great job feeding the post, with the exception of a couple passes that led the bigs too far and ended up out of bounds.

Regarding our perimeter game, I think given how we had very few open looks from outside Coach Self determined it was not a contest that suited X's game very much. He looked OK trying to drive the ball a few times, but it's too much of a liability to have him out there if he can't stretch the defense with his shooting. I do find it interesting that with Marcus fouled out and Kieff & Cole having 4 fouls each that Self went smaller and used X as basically his 4th big, bypassing Withey and TRob. Those guys are simply not ready for primetime, but X could not have been at all in the flow of the game given his scarce minutes to that point. Kinda like being thrown to the wolves, asking a smaller freshman to slide down to the 4 against the one of the more physical frontlines we're likely to face this year.

Given the fact that Marcus fouled out and that Cole & Keiff were also playing with foul trouble, to only get out-rebounded by 3 against a very physical and good rebounding team meant that we did a decent job on the glass. A few too many offensive boards given up, but the bigs fought hard. I don't think the team left any room for Coach to call them soft after this game.

After another loss by Texas yesterday, we've all but got the regular season title sown up. Time for Coach to fine tune this team for a Championship run.

docileboy 12 years, 3 months ago

The cream always rises to the top, even in the octogon of goons.

kellyrojo78 12 years, 3 months ago

The yin and yang of TT....He makes a great steal and then throws the ball away 10 seconds later. I was surprised to see him getting the minutes at th end of the game but X wasn't doing anything. All I can say is that despite the great plays he made, TT is still a liability with the ball in crunch---this is something that will need to be ironed out before MARCH.

X is soooooooooo similar to B. Rush. Everyone thought Rush was a sure 1 and done and then he stuck around letting his game mature and went to the NBA and actually gets some minutes. X should see his example. He is nowhere near ready for the next level and should get some more experience under Self.....If he goes to the NBA now he will be like other KU players that never see the court (see D. Authur, J Wright) after leaving too early.

Jeter, Manning, Tebow........Collins? Slow down there Dickie

minnhawk84 12 years, 3 months ago

Yes, X may be an important player for KU's success, but he has not stepped up to the rail and become that over-hyped "impact" "one-and-done" super hero he was made out to be. Unless he dominates the remainder of the season and then goes through the tourney carrying KU to a national championship, I can't see him having much value in the NBA draft. See ya next year X, and keep working on your mental game -- it has to be improved.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

Pahhawk: I agree with you and I am probably reading too much into to it, but when it comes to X I don't hold anything back. I am pretty hard on X at the moment because like some other posters stated, I am not completely pleased with the overall maturation of X's game thus far 21 games into the season. I guess the expectations were so high with this kid coming out of high school that I've somewhat been let down by all the "Hype".

I personally think that is part my doing because of my expectation, but I also think that is part Carl Henry's doing as he actively promoted X as legit OAD player. Let it be noted that I am completely without a doubt impressed with the overall demeanor and choices X has made throughout his entire duration as Jayhawk so far in terms of quotes for the media and articles written about him. I think he has taken the high road on pretty much everything since he has gotten to KU.

I think most of X's image being portrayed coming out of High School was about 80 percent Carl Henry and 20 percent X. Whether it's fair or not or it was Carl or X bringing the OAD talk to the table, it was emphatically mentioned anytime that X was involved in the recruiting process that he was without a doubt a OAD player. When you bring that much attention to yourself whether if it was X or his father, you better be ready to back it up and face the criticism when the time presents itself.

Currently, we as fans are at the point and duration of the season where it's time to "Step Up" and show why you were one of the most coveted recruits in the history of the KU program. I could see where Self would protect EJ or TR in a hostile environment, but it's hard for me to completely buy into Self protecting X considering everything that has gone on with X from Day 1. You are right, Self needs to protect X to some extent, but it's on X at the moment to find "That Fire" within and prove to himself and his teammates that nobody should be having doubts about him at the moment. Unfortuantely, some doubts have creeped into the back of my mind during certain situations. Justified or unjustified that's the way it is at the moment.

okjhok 12 years, 3 months ago

Damn, you guys write too much. What a great win. This was a galvanizing win. These guys will not see an atmosphere that even approaches what they saw last night for the rest of the year. Missouri can't recreate that and UT certainly can't recreate that atmosphere. It's the inferiority complex that drives KSU fans to their temporary insanity. They would rather see KU fail than KSU succeed...I'm not joking. I know there are a few other places around the country like that, but I think KSU fans just might be at the top in that regard. Does anyone else notice that?

minnhawk84 12 years, 3 months ago

Despite all of the ag jokes we throw at KSU, I really like 'em. It has always made living in Kansas fun......for a little history, KSU wasn't much of a university prior to the anti-war protests and burning of the student union on Mount Oread. That was my senior year in high school, and suddenly parents in Johnson County and Wichita decided that perhaps little Betty and little Johnny would be "safer" at KSU. I couldn't believe the number of my classmates who were suddenly Wildcats. That and Lynn Dickey carrying KSU football on his shoulder pads about the same time made KSU an alternative for Kansans. Enrollment swelled and with it, and along came money from the State Legislature. And I was really amazed and happy that KSU became a football school and has done pretty well -- I NEVER dreamed KState would ever be anything but terrible in football. It is a good school with a student body "who are us" -- fellow Kansans. And yes, I remember purple dye in the fountain and dead chickens on the basketball court -- it has made for a lotta fun, great cooler smack talk, and a pretty good in-state rivalry over the last 40+ years. Even though I stupidly attended Mizzou off and on for 3 years, searching for a journalism degree before earning two degrees at KU, I can never heap the hate and derision on KSU the way I do with Missouri. Hey, some of my best friends went out to Manhattan, and I bet many of the loyal Jayhawk Nation can say the same.

HawkInAL 12 years, 3 months ago

5 guys in double figures. TT didn't look horrible. Marcus was solid. Brady hit big threes. Cole is back. Sherron is clutch. Shaping up to be an epic year. 20-1 is the same start as two years ago. Same balance. Is this team better? Does it matter? They're hitting their stride at the right time and getting progressively better.

NebraskaJayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago

Look...I think Collins is a great player. One of the best to ever wear the crimson and blue. But the fact of the matter remains that if you have more than one guy that can do something special at the end of a game, it only makes it more difficult for the opposing team to guard your best player..that being Sherron Collins. I'm sorry, but Mario Chalmers did not make every big shot for KU during that great season in '08. In fact, Collins was often "the guy" during that well as Rush. Yes, Chalmers hit "the shot", but Collins hit another big one to force that game into OT. You gotta have more than just one guy. Marcus Morris is a guy right now that can be that second "go-to" guy. Xavier needs to develop into that third option.

NebraskaJayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago

And by the way, cshjhawk.....if you re-read my first post, I wasn't being critical. Just stating facts. It was, in fact, a great win for the program in a very hostile environment.

WilburNether 12 years, 3 months ago

What is interesting to me is that our alleged one-and-doner is not even mentioned in this story -- and justifiably so, as he was not much of a factor. One would think that a player of truly one-and-doner quality would be a key factor -- and play more than 16 of 45 minutes -- in the biggest road game of the year.

Are the Henrys the most overhyped players in the history of Kansas basketball?

milwaukeeJAYHAWK 12 years, 3 months ago

kushaw--- your posts are like books. decent analysis, but my god you are really into this! lol

all i've got to say is.....HAWKTAGON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ben Kane 12 years, 3 months ago

minnhawk, I think you put they very well. I have no issues enjoying them having a good season as long as we beat them :) last night was great for us and great for the big 12. Mizery can go winless as far as i'm concerned and i'd take just as much pleasure beating them as I would if they somehow stumbled on being relevant.

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

One of the most impressive plays last night I thought was Tyshawn rushing up to foul someone as one of the Morris Twins was down on the other end. Very heads up play in my opinion.

SDSurferFan 12 years, 3 months ago

First time this year I felt like I was watching the number one team in the country. The great thing about Self is that he is never satisfied and is extremely critical of his team. I think it makes his well-informed fan base the same way. However, last night was the first time I am starting to believe that this is a legit national title contender.

Issues as stated: TT and X. (I think it was also the first time I yelled at the screen in years, "Self, get the ball out of TT hands." Especially after the horrible passes at the end of OT.

Stoked to see: Cole looks so great the last few games. The only thing that is a bummer is that I thought he may stay his senior year because of his earlier play this year. He is now moving himself up the draft with his play. Twins. They are playing like men. Nasty guys from Philly are fighting for every rebound. Love their play.

Also stoked to be headed to Lawrence from San Diego on Thursday to see the boys at AFH on Saturday.

1 team in the country and rightfully so.

kcgridiron 12 years, 3 months ago

Although TT gives us a great performance with 12 points and some good defense, in my eyes he continues to turn the ball over in key moments in games...I thought if the Hawks could push the lead to double digits in the first half that the cats would self destruct in panic...I felt we had a shot in the first half to do that and push the lead to ten and put this game away early but TT turns the ball over, the cats make a run and get right back in the game before half...the two turnovers late in the game by TT are unacceptable... I'll be the first to admit here that I didn't like are chances when this game went to overtime, your on the road and you have to be able to finish a team when you have the advantage at the end of the game, if you don't most of the time it comes back to bite you, especially when your leading rebounder has to play another 5 minutes with 4 fouls...lazy bounce passes and bad passing angles are fundamentals...that said, we did a wonderful job switching and fighting through screens last night on the perimiter, the best we have done all year...great job guys!!...

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

kcgridiron - as I have previously argued, that turnover towards the end of regulation was clearly on Brady. It was obviously credited to TT because he was the last one to touch it, but Brady stopping short and not excuting running the weave up top was what caused that turnover. It seems as if most fans watch Brady's game through rose-colored glasses. He never makes any mistakes in their eyes. I'm not taking anything away from the great game he played, but it's funny no one talks about him dribbling out the shot clock at the end of the first half, nor failing to get the ball in or even call a time-out resulting in a 5 second call. While not recorded as official TOs credited to him, that brings his total to 4.

Robert Brock 12 years, 3 months ago

I thought that X handled himself well. That wasn't a game for freshmen.

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

drgnslayr - see above post directed at kcgridiron regarding one of TT's turnovers and Brady's play in general. Also, if you're going to bag on Sherron for "almost handed a sure victory over to the kitties", you have to mention Sherron's play at the end of regulation. Tyrel saved Sherron from being the goat. Even if you fail to buy that one of those turnovers was on Brady and instead blame TT, those didn't hand them a victory, they merely cost us the lead. It was Sherron's blunder that was potentially disastrous

Steve Gantz 12 years, 3 months ago

Couldn't watch the game, had to go to some concert (Chris Botti, fantastic!), got home and read the message boards here on the Newell Post. To read through those, you would have thought the Jayhawks were losing by 20 throughout!
Secondly, everyone who posted about the way Frank Martin looks, please post your picture here so we can return the favor. Finally, We've got a special season going, all year we've been the #1 team, even after the TU loss, we knew. Sit back, relax, enjoy.
And another finally, got to attend the Bulls at Hornets Friday, and wore my KU shirt proudly as Kirk played a solid game and Julian helped lead a big comeback for the Hornets.

Michael Pannacciulli 12 years, 3 months ago

Ok, great game. Infact the last two games have me beleiving a bit more again. But we need to use that bench more no? Yikes. i worry about a big like Cole going down in a game, and one of the Morris twins fouling out and then what? And why was X on the bench most of the night? Ty was playing well. I hope he doesn't transfer.

I also kept thinking about next year, and how it seems KSTATE is building a better future than we are. Am i nuts? I like the meld of players they are getting. What is going on with our recruits? It's been eeerily quite!

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

Brock - Wally Judge is a freshman...seemed like he played a great game last night. I too thought X played ok, but the "freshman" arguement doesn't really hold up.

slowplay 12 years, 3 months ago

A lot of interesting viewpoints this morning. I agree that: 1. Henry is not playing to potential. What happened since Big 12 play started? I think not only is he gun shy (doubting his ability) other teams are realizing he can't go to the right side. 2. Aldrich is playing like an all-american. 3. Collins IS Mr. Clutch. 4. KU can play better. There was no doubt KU was the better team, but there is a lot of room for improvement. The game should not have been that close. Come March, they should roll to the Final Four. 5. Taylor may replace Henry in the starting rotation before the season is over. 6. Morningstar is the glue that keeps this team together. 7. Marcus Morris is becoming a beast.

utahjayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago

Props to all ya alls for all the Final Four-level comments and analysis, especially shaw and pahawk1. As should be, WE'VE got the best fan-base nationwide. Anybody catch Dickie V's bromance comments on KY selling-out Game Day? Of course, our venues are different sizes but I think KY's support for hoops has been pretty poor until this year.

I didn't think I'd be saying this but 'Ron is solidifying his place as one of the top guards to ever don the Crimson and Blue. Onions indeed! And you gotsta give Brady his due -- boy knows the game and plays within himself. X has got to show some more fire. Good that he was driving last night though and not shooting the 3.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

icthawkfan: I don't know why I always want to type "Itch" when typing your name. I agree with you that the "Freshman" argument doesn't really hold up. All the talk in preseason was about being OAD and playing in the NBA because college wasn't for him. Looks like college is a little tougher than Carl Henry imagined for his son.

David Leathers 12 years, 3 months ago

Was Bill self implying that Sherron has some sort of crush on ESPN's Erin Andrews?

Clarence Haynes 12 years, 3 months ago

I think that X might have hit a wall that freshman all too often do at this point in the season. Even during that scoring slump he has shown some other positives including the steals made on defense. In the second half against KSU, he did hit a couple of shots and i've got a feeling that we'll see X get into a better groove over the next 2 or 3 games. Also, I would like to see him work on going to the hoop more because that would open up his perimeter game and enhance our scoring options.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

On a college basketball note, did anybody see the thrashing that Cornell put on Harvard last night? Final score was 86-50. For those that don't know Harvard was suppose to contend for the Ivy league title against Cornell. The Ivy league does not have a post season conference tourney so whomever wins the conference during the regular season gets the automatic bid to the Big Dance.

Some were saying, and I agree with that assessment, that the Ivy League was a two bid conference had Harvard won last night. Well, Cornell pretty much put that talk to rest and is in the drivers seat to win the IVY, receive the automatic bid, and cause all sorts of fits for two, three, or possibly four teams in the Big Dance. The Big Red are legit, but most already knew that before KU played them, right? LOL!

SDSurferFan 12 years, 3 months ago

drgnslayer- Self has absolutely no tolerance for poor decisions and play and that is why I thought he would have not had TT in the game. See Whitney, who I think was in the game for maybe :30 seconds after a bad pass and being out of position.

I am a huge KU fan by way of family ties into Lawrence, but went to San Diego State. Since I have seen pretty much every game Self has coached I marvel at the difference between Steve Fisher and Self. I am reluctant to criticize Fisher, he has completely built the program from nothing, but when a player makes a mistake a coach may yell or 'coach,' but there is little consequence. Same thing happens at KU and the player gets pulled and screamed (coached) at, hopefully learning his lesson. I enjoy rewinding a play after Self lights a player up to figure out what the player did. In most cases, I have no idea what he is yelling at.

Clarence Haynes 12 years, 3 months ago

Sorry NebraskaJayhawk....Missed that earlier comment. Our heart is in the same place...WIN!

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

drgnslayr - I mistyped. That meant to read "if you're going to bag on Tyshawn for "almost handed a sure victory over to the kitties", you have to mention Sherron's play at the end of regulation." Like I was saying, even if you credit that turnover to TT (which weave or not, Morningstar was coming to the ball, Tyshawn went to pass it to him, and Brady just stopped) it wasn't his plays that almost lost it. Those plays may have lost the lead, but Sherron's play at the end almost resulted in leaving Manhattan with a loss.

cchawk 12 years, 3 months ago

I'd like to commend Collins for his sportsmanship. Towards the end of regulation, when a KSU player got poked accidentally in the eye and not sure which side was the cause, Collins was keeping the peace. At that point it could have gotten very heated in such a tense rivalry game. The handshakes and hugs at the end sure was the cherry on the top....and yes, I am a girl!

kcgridiron 12 years, 3 months ago

icthawkfan316...everyone sees things from different prospectives...My opinion is no different from's only my opinion and personal analysis, no matter what colored glasses I'm wearing, which happen to be crimson and blue-colored glasses, as I am sure they are the same color as yours... brother.

tical523 12 years, 3 months ago

Time to get on that NBA mindset, rest Sherron!! I hope he stays off his feet in practice and just gets treatment the whole time, then play him limited minutes as necessary for the next couple of games. He has earned the Brett Favre treatment on this team, he knows everything and needs to rest more than practice. "We're talkin bout practice, not a game, practice, talkin bout practice" LOL Even during the fist half my friends and I noticed he was moving a little slow and just looked worn down or something. Great win, Sherron literally has the heart of a champion and I love it. Rock Chalk

utahjayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago

cc, you're right on the money. I believe it was Pullen and it was from one of his own teammates. All n all, there was sportsmanship shown on both sides. A tribue to both clubs in such a physical game.

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

drgnslayr - regarding whether many are taking my point of view, someone on the comments for the keegan ratings brought it up as well, and bhann didn't speak directly to that play but seemed as if he agreed. Regardless, I'm sure you're right, but as I've posted before everyone sees the game differently. Right now, Tyshawn is still in everyone's doghouse, so he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. Brady on the other hand seems to do no wrong in everyone's eyes (again, haven't seen any posts other than my own and responses to them criticizing his dribbling out the shot clock at the end of the 1st half or his failure to get the ball inbounds or call a time out). I try and look at the game as objectively as possible, which is why it's not difficult to notice the gaffs by Brady and Sherron, while also acknowledging that they had great games. It's also why I'm not blaming TT for a mistake that I feel he should share very little responsibility for.

Joe Baker 12 years, 3 months ago

kushaw- I disagree with most of your points:

Very poor display of execution? I thought they executed fairly well. It could always be better but when you're on the road, some execution is better than no execution.

A lack of poise? I totally disagree with your "poise" comment. TT on the line was pure poise. Cole's inside shots were poised. The hussle play was poised. I saw our guys all over the floor. The twins were called for just breathing on the kitty bigs.

Collins is a leader. He has learned exactly when and how to step up when necessary rather than forcing his stuff. X and TT are maturing. These two are learning more each game. I do agree: KU missed some easy shots and FTs could have been better for some. The game should've been won by at least 12pts. Yet even after your overall critique, they win...on the road, in hostile, obnoxious and the most stupid environment in b-ball.

Uhjh said it best: Uhjh (anonymous) says... A W is a W no matter how ugly.

Rock Chalk Beat CU!

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

cc - excellent point regarding Sherron's sportsmanship.

areyouserious 12 years, 3 months ago

Great showcase to display the state of Kansas to the rest of the country. Very well represented by both teams and a very entertaining game. I was getting text messages from people in other states that dont even watch basketball.

That atmosphere made KU better. Thank you cat students for creating an atmosphere that put us to the toughest test of the year!

I can't wait to re-create that atmosphere when the Cats come to the PHOG!

I truly hope neither KU or Kstate loses between now and then. It will set up an even bigger matchup that will go a long way for both teams in the dance.


slowplay 12 years, 3 months ago

Not to get off topic, but it's gotten to the point that I can't listen to Dicky V. anymore. I had to turn on the radio, (even with the 3 second delay) it was better than listening to his raspy voice and inane comments. He does know the game but he would be better as a pre-game or half time commentator.

blowhard 12 years, 3 months ago

Good team win in a hostile place. That's as mouthy a road game as any. We' re good and we're getting better. See 'ya at Allen Field House West, Boulder, CO on Wednesday night!!!


NH_JHawk 12 years, 3 months ago

icthawkfan316 said:

"It seems as if most fans watch Brady's game through rose-colored glasses. He never makes any mistakes in their eyes. I'm not taking anything away from the great game he played, but it's funny no one talks about him dribbling out the shot clock at the end of the first half, nor failing to get the ball in or even call a time-out resulting in a 5 second call. While not recorded as official TOs credited to him, that brings his total to 4."

I'd say for the majority of Brady's career at KU, maybe half of our fans watch through rose-colored glasses. So for you to say "most" fans do is not entirely accurate, imho. Go back though the posts this season (and last year too) and you'll see there have been plenty of people who have yet to truly appreciate what BM brings to the table.

Does he make mistakes, even at critical moments sometimes? Of course he does, but one thing you cannot deny is the fact that this kid has impacted so many games in a positive way, that he helps tip games in our favor. Mizzou and KSU are both prime examples of this. For a kid who racked up major minutes last year and missed the 1st half of this year, his game has improved tremendously. I dont think anyone can say otherwise. Frankly, I still dont see enough of our fans giving Brady enough credit.

Just my $0.02.

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

drgnslayr - I totally agree, Sherron has earned the right to make mistakes without criticism. He's the man, no doubt about it, and I want the ball in his hands at the end of games. Just kinda felt like you were placing more of the blame on TT than he probably deserved.

Dan Harris 12 years, 3 months ago

Sooballs for once I actually agree with one of your posts. Funny avatar

KGphoto 12 years, 3 months ago

Okay, it's over.

Let's hope Self has them focusing on CU right now. CU is better than usual, and have even beaten Baylor this year. Don't let their record fool you. Higgins is a tremendous player and they have more depth than they've had in years.

I'll be around back to get Sherron's autograph after the game. It's the only one I'll have ever requested. And I'm retiring the hat at the end of the season.

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

NH _JHawk - I can't speak too much to the majority of his career, just this season. I will whole-heartedly agree that he's a very good player, that we're a better team with him on it, that he has showed tremendous improvement, and that he might not get as much credit as he deserves. I'm not anti-Brady by any means. I will also say that last year I was critical of him, or at least his role. The team was in desperate need of a third scorer last year and with Tyshawn and whichever of the Morris Twins starting as freshman, I felt that we needed a scorer more at his position, not a glue guy. This year, with Marcus becoming a beast and despite his recent struggles X being a scoring threat, playing his more natural position of the 2 guard he fits perfectly as a glue guy and has even showed more scoring prowess.

Now, if you're granting me "maybe half of our fans watch through rose-colored glasses" regarding Brady, and I'd argue that it's a little over half, then we're really just talking about semantics regarding my statement (over half qualifies as most, so we differ on how an ever so slight amount of fans see the game). Does he have detractors? Sure. I've pointed this out on a couple of occasions, but there are definitely different factions of KU fans: Brady haters, X haters, TT haters, the Brady supporters (whom I refer to as the Brady Brigade), the ones clamoring for Withey to get tons of minutes as they believe he is the next big thing, the same thing could be said for EJ, etc. Just trying to offer some perspective, particularly to those who, after what I thought was a solid game overall by TT, have nothing good to say about him and had we lost would just as soon left the kid in Manhattan. Which I don't know how it is that I came to be the defender of Tyshawn's game. It's not like I'm upset that Brady has ripped some of his minutes or that I think Tyshawn should be more in the spotlight. Just attempting to be objective and that's the way the posts have played out.

Joe Baker 12 years, 3 months ago

areyouserious (anonymous) says... I can't wait to re-create that atmosphere when the kitty kats come to the PHOG!

We'll create an atmosphere without all the crazy over the top antics: no beards Col Sanders Doom octa...(insert your choice of words)

Let's just create a solid, classy and competitive environment of b-ball, KU style!

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

drgnslayr - First of all, it's "he". Secondly, I don't know exactly when the inbounds play with Brady happened, but going through the ESPN360 replay we had multiple timeouts at the end of the first half and didnt use our last one in the second half until there was 21 seconds left, so we had timeouts. So while yes it was definitely better for him to turn possession over to K-State on a 5 second call then to just haphazardly throw it under the hoop somewhere, he still cost us a change of possession right there. If memory serves they scored anyway. Again, he played a great game, but ignoring and subsequently rationalizing his mistakes irks me somewhat (and watching that TT-Brady play at the top again and again no one will ever convince me that Brady wasn't supposed to continue coming to the ball). I'd argue that despite what the stat sheet says he actually had 4 TOs.

Tim Orel 12 years, 3 months ago

CC (and the rest) - even in OT Sherron was there making sure that the peace was kept between players. I saw a couple of times where bodies were unpiling after a play and Sherron was right there walking around the players from both sides, keeping things calm. Great help in a really tense environment.

Mike Kendall 12 years, 3 months ago

I thought the Jayhawks had tremendous poise down the stretch--gave it to Sherron when the game was on the line--Cole played better, especially on defense, with four fouls--Brady gave another solid performance and I do not take him for granted--Tyrel had that all important stop in regulation--great road win, wasn't pretty, but like someone said, a win is a win, and with Texas losing, the Jayhawks are definitely in the "driver's seat" for another Title! They can't get complacent, and, HCBS will not let that happen. The Wildcats could run the table until they show up at AFH. If that happens, that would be sweet. Keep in mind, that is Senior Night, and the Jayhawks have never lost on Senior Night (Day) in years. I can even remember the last time we lost on Senior Night (maybe during the Larry Brown years). The team is peaking at the right time but there is still a month and a few weeks of the regular season left--lots of BB left. It does make me hopeful for the big prize in Indy! I will say this: Last night, during the game, it was fun blogging--everyone for the most part, had very intelligent, witty, funny and informative things to say. It was fun for me and hopefully, BS and the boys had fun in the Hawkagon!! Good luck at Colorado! That would be AFH Way West!

NH_JHawk 12 years, 3 months ago

drgnslayr -

I share your view as to why I'm part of the "Brady Brigade" name certainly suits the Brady faction, icthawkfan316. I like it!

icthawkfan316 -

I think people judge Brady based on how he looks instead of how he actually plays. Brady is "just" a local kid, who does not have a prototype 3 guard body, lacks a quick 1st step for penetrating the lane to create, and is not even close to being as athletic as X, McM, or any other KU wing players in recent memory. Because of this he's roundly criticized by those who place more importance on what you'd typically expect a wing player to look like. Keep in mind that in 08 our wing was B. Rush so of course Brady is going to be a step down from him. I think that's important perspective to have. Probably a big reason people didn't see the value in Brady's game...because they are comparing him to what he replaced.

I guess I'm also part of the "Brady Brigade" for the same reason you stated above. I try to look at this objectively. You say that 4 TOs that belong to Brady (I agree to an extent) will never show up on the stat sheet. On the other hand, the opposite can be said about his lock down D on the perimeter. How many games has Brady been assigned to guarding the opponent's best scorer, only to lock him down for a marginal performance? Think of last night. As I stated above, both Clemente and Pullen didn't have the game they needed to have in order for KSU to win. A BIG part of that is Brady's D and that wont show up on the stat sheet either. This is true in game after game after game.

I agree that there are many factions of Jayhawk fans, but that is what makes this site so addictive. I appreciate your point of view and it helps me see things in a different perspective...which makes me a better educated fan. Keep on posting your opinions because I enjoy reading them.

Rock Chalk!

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

NH_JHawk - I agree that Brady is an outstanding defender and that is overlooked. Even with me pointing out some of his mistakes if someone were to come in here and tell me he didn't play a great game I'd take exception to that. I also agree that some people sell him short for the reasons you stated. I was making the point on a thread the other day regarding next year's potential line-ups that even the coaching staff probably didn't expect this much from him (or Tyrel). The discussion was that even with Sherron leaving, and maybe X (although he is clearly not at that level yet) that we are overloaded at the guard position and that can partially be attributed to Brady & Tyrel. They were a couple of in-state 3 star recruits (at best), probably just brought in to round out the respective recruiting classes and provide hussle on the scout team, but never expected to contribute significant minutes. At any rate, we're a better team with him in the game. Period.

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

drgnslayr - if you find that statue see if they have more than one! He's the best point guard I've ever seen on any Jayhawk team, and maybe even one of the top 5 players I've seen regardless of position

NH_JHawk 12 years, 3 months ago

icthawkfan316 -

I agree 100% with your post.

And, I'm with you re: Sherron. I say hang the kid's jersey now. He's the best point guard in Kansas history and that's a huge huge huge statement to make. We're witnessing history in the making.

NebraskaJayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago

What about the Brady Bunch? Brady Brigade sounds a lot less gay than the Brady Bunch. Consider me part of the Brady Brigade as well. I am really impressed with his play this season compared to last. To be honest, last year I wasn't quite sure why he saw so some much PT. This year I am beginning to see why Coach Self has so much confidence in the glueman. There was talk before the season began about how much work Morningstar and Reed had put into their game in the offseason. Well, it wasn't just talk. These guys deserve to be on the court without a doubt.

Dan Pawlowski 12 years, 3 months ago

"Brady Brigade sounds a lot less gay..." Homophobe at the most, outdated at least.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

truehawk: I think you misread my post or misunderstood it. Let me repeat that I had no problem with KU's execution for a majority of the game or KU's "Poise".

I did, however, have a big problem with KU's execution and lack of poise the last 1:30 of regulation. I thought the end of regulation was poorly executed and lacked a confidence that good teams need to go far in the dance.

Overall, you take away the last 1:30 of regulation not OT , the missed bunnies and the 14-2 run by KSU in the middle of the second half and you have a pretty darn good game out of the Jayhawks.

I just needed to clarify that I separated out two very big components of the game when I was talking about "Execution" and "Poise" in terms of Tyshawn Taylor and KU's end of the game offensive sets.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

Is it me or does anybody else see a big difference in what Collins did at the end of regulation vs what he did in OT? Am I missing something?

I think being down 1 or even tied and trying to hit a game winning shot at the end of regulation is completely different than being up 1 in OT and hitting a "Big Shot" to give your team a little breathing room.

IMHO, the end of regulation with the 1 on 1 isolation for Sherron is something I would like to forget and prefer not to see again. It has been noted that KSU made a mistake by not fouling earlier with 40 seconds left and somehow decided to wait until 16 seconds left when Collins hit his shot. KSU mistakenly had a communication breakdown as they didn't want to foul Collins, but they should have fouled Collins with 40 seconds left to extend the game because there was only 5 seconds difference in the shot clock.

No doubt Collins hit a "Big Shot", but I would prefer some end of the game sets that got others involved. Collins deserves to have the ball there is no question, but it always doesn't work out that way and the rest of the guys have to be prepared for those scenarios when they do happen just like the end of regulation.

NebraskaJayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago


lol Homophobe? Yep. Outdated? No. I'm pretty sure most of the population (and especially the midwest) are normal people that do not condone homosexuality.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago


You comments about Brady Morningstar and the Brady Brigade were spot on. You said it perfectly in your description of Brady. Perception is a wonderful thing, isn't it?

Dan Pawlowski 12 years, 3 months ago

Now you get to the heart of your problem. I think thou dost protest too much. There seems to be some self loathing there. Care to come out yourself.

dynamitehawk 12 years, 3 months ago

Now, I'm not one to make such decisions and have had my share of comments axed by the LJW, but at least one above will probably be removed in 3,2,1...

NebraskaJayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago

You're the one defending the gays, not me Boulder. Maybe you've done some things you regret while on your rocky mountain high?

sdku 12 years, 3 months ago

EVERYONE needs to calm down on TT, yes he made some turnovers but we should all know he is a Sophmore. Cole, Sherron, Morningstar, Reed are all juniors and above.

TT will be crucial when it comes down the stretch. His speed/athleticism/defense is starting to become unmatched. He is going to be crucial come March when we play teams and he is getting better and more aggressive.

Oh, and whoever is hating on Sherron as being our go to guy at the end, just stop it now. You can't teach that to any player in the remainder of the season. What everyone is not thinking about is when he drives the lane and if he get's double teamed he'll just pass it to one of the bigs or a open 3 point shooter and we have a easy bucket. Trust me, we want the ball in Sherron's hands!

Dan Pawlowski 12 years, 3 months ago

NebraskaJayhawk, I am not going to bite on your baiting. I refuse to get into a one sided battle of wits when it is clear I would get bored quickly. I can only listen to same tired dogmatic responses so much. This site is about sports , lets get back to it.

NebraskaJayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago

My comment was about sports and you introduced it to a different topic. The fact that you consider yourself more intelligent than myself only attributes to your egotism. Well done.

HvacHawk 12 years, 3 months ago

Great game last night guys. Wasn't pretty, wasn't very well executed, but this is exactly the type of game we need to fuse us into a serious contender for March. Hard fought ugly wins in hostile environments are truly priceless in hammering us into a team that fights and finds a way to win. I wish certain readers would give X a break. Yes, he has been off and inconsistent the last few games, but he IS a Freshman. Let the kid develop. If I remember right, Collins wasn't near the man he is in his Freshman year. These things take time. This was just an uncharacteristically off night for our shooting. The sky isn't falling. Rock Chalk!

NebraskaJayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago

I will, however, apologize to the rest of those involved in this thread. Back to the subject at my esteemed friend suggested.

ParisHawk 12 years, 3 months ago

It appears that KU is now number 1 in RPI, at least according to

Thanks, KSU, for having a very good RPI and excellent strength of schedule.

We are also number one at, with an estimated 22.62% chance of going undefeated in conference play.

These are just numbers, but they influence media and NCAA Committee opinions so it's nice to have them on our side.

okiedave 12 years, 3 months ago

Maybe Collins has won Diggar over as a K.U. fan.

Dan Pawlowski 12 years, 3 months ago

ParisHawk, Thanks for the link. K-State is #8. Good for the State of College Basketball.

NebraskaJayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago

lol drgnslayr

I want to comment so badly on that last comment, but I will refrain to sustain peace and tranquility among the ranks.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

HVAChawk: "These things take time. This was just an uncharacteristically off night for our shooting. The sky isn't falling. Rock Chalk!"

Did you watch a different game than me? KU shot 50 percent for the game (27-54) and 50 percent from 3 point range (5-10). Is that really an off night? I was just curious because I think it's a pretty good darn night of shooting.

SDKU: "Oh, and whoever is hating on Sherron as being our go to guy at the end, just stop it now. You can't teach that to any player in the remainder of the season. What everyone is not thinking about is when he drives the lane and if he get's double teamed he'll just pass it to one of the bigs or a open 3 point shooter and we have a easy bucket. Trust me, we want the ball in Sherron's hands!"

I agree KU wants the ball in Sherron hands at the end of the game and I want the ball in Sherron's hands if it makes sense and the defense allows it. Your example above is the exact scenario that Collins displayed at the end of regulation when Collins tried to pass out of a double team off a pick and roll and KSU got a turnover and almost won the game. Trust me, I want the ball in Sherron's hands as well, but only when it makes sense.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

Parishawk: Good link with the RPI! 8 Big 12 teams in the RPI Top 40.

Larry Smith 12 years, 3 months ago

I will leave the analysis and coaching to Coach Self.

I can't understand why it is so hard for some people to enjoy the game and enjoy the result. Why is it that you have to critisize every negative play? Do things always go perfectly during the course of a game? No. Do you think that if you do not point out every single mistake, that you are viewing through rose colored glasses? How about the overall performance?

Did brady make some mistakes? Yes. Did he play a great overall game? Yes. Did Sherron make some mistakes? Yes Did he come through in the clutch again? Yes Did Cole miss some easy shots? Yes. Did he play hard, smart, productive ball(even with 4 fouls).Yes Did Tyshawn have some head scratching turnovers? Yes. Did he save our bacon with his FT shooting and otherwise good overall play? Yes.

As I said before, during the course of a game everything is not going to go perfectly. And I just don't understand why people cannot celebrate the good, without having to nitpick and try to tear down the players by pointing out every single mistake.

I choose to enjoy and celebrate. I must be looking through the rose colored glasses.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

jayhawk86: So instead, you decide to redirect what you perceive as negativity and nitpicking toward others, right? Is that how that works? Now that is comical. It really is okay to talk about the game of basketball. Basketball at every level including the Olympics except the NBA is a wonderful game and IMO the greatest game on earth. It literally is a moving game of chess that has so many wonderful components. If you think understanding the components of the game is viewed as "Negative" and "Nitpicking" than I guess you'll just see the game from a different scope as others view it.

Chris Bruning 12 years, 3 months ago

Nutflush21 (anonymous) says... Collins is getting all the press and rightfully so, but lets not forget the game Brady Morningstar put together. He was absolutely terrific in all facets of the game today.

this is the best post i've seen on this subject...i don't think brady morningstar knows what rattled or nervous even is....clutch playing time for brady....steals, threes, passes, free throw swishes....awesome game

NebraskaJayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago


Although I'm a Raider hater now, I gotta admit that when I was younger I was a Raiders fan as well. I didn't become a Chiefs fan until Marcus Allen came over from the DarkSide of the force. I was a big Allen fan when I was younger. I can you go from being a Raiders fan to a Chiefs fan??? I guess my roots dug in when I got a little older though..

My snide comment wasn't going to be directed toward you, but it had to do with your "panty raiders" remark. I just thought that since this is such a "politically correct" site, that perhaps not all would enjoy the title Brady Raiders as it infers panty raids. Maybe we better stick with the Brady Brigade.

NebraskaJayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago

lol Why do some people take offense to posters on this site critiquing a game or the team as if it's a complaint? Obviously everyone is satisfied that we are 20-1 and winning big games like this. It is the goal, however, to finish the season numero uno at the end of the season which does involve winning the championship. Everyone wants to see the team continue to improve, thus the critiques. Would you rather just see everyone post.....good game..or gg..or wtg ...rcjh..beak'em hawks....

I'm right with you, drgnslyr / kushaw.

dynamitehawk 12 years, 3 months ago

My issue is not that I see the world through rose-colored glasses. My issue is that I see the world through rose-colored glassy eyes. However, I can say that I have thoroughly enjoyed this season. I really believe that this group will come together and win big this year. I think that we do have too many talented kids focused on playing time, and as Bill Self constructs new rosters he will keep this in mind. Speaking of talent, I wonder if Harrison Barnes was watching last night? I wonder if he will watch UNC play Virginia tonight in a 'rivalry' game and wonder if he made the right choice?

Mike Kendall 12 years, 3 months ago

Ok, Jayhawk Nation, give your opinion, whoever wants to chime in--- On a scale from one to ten, ten being almost perfect, how would you rate the Hawks performance against the Wildcats?

I'll start first---I would give the Jayhawks an 8. It would be higher, but we missed so many gimmies, and free throws--and then, the last 1:30 of regulation, probably why it wouldn't be a 9 or a 10.

Let me know what you think!!!!!

Kent Wells 12 years, 3 months ago

I'm bored from a KSUck thrashing. Top 10 "I've never..." list:

  1. busy with a farm animal. Animal husbandry. Seriously, WTF?

  2. ...found a gray hair wearing a fake beard to be even semi luke warm.

  3. ...had a gay moment until last night. Sherron is a stud. I still think I will propose to him in Boulder Wednesday evening.

  4. ...cheered or otherwise applauded an MU player.

  5. ...robbed a bank. But I might to secure final 4 tickets.

  6. ...liked Dickie V. as an announcer. East coast this, and Coach K that, and blah freaking blah. Shut up already.

  7. ...seen the Erin Andrews "keyhole" video. But I would like to make my own. Naughty kuwells.

  8. ...Twittered or Tweeted, or whatever you call it. That sounds dirty.

  9. busy in an elevator. But I would like to with Erin Andrews. Sorry, Sherron. I think I've changed my mind. And, no, there is no connection.

And, the No. 1 thing that "I've never..."

  1. my lifetime considered KSU to be a rival. Last night, I just saw the best team KSU has fielded since the passing of the last ice age. Yup, they are still our beeyatch. Rock Chalk, Jayhawk in the Hawktagon of Domination!

100 12 years, 3 months ago


everything you said is completely correct.

KSU is another state school we can all be proud of that had a spike in enrollment after the war, primarily because of what happened on KU's campus with the protests.

Keep in mind, no disrespect intended, but even with their name change, they're really Kansas A & M. I'm glad we have them as a state school.

But it's never really been a rivalry, although you gotta love 'em for trying to get one going with us over the last century, especially during the late '70's & mid 80's....

And let's face it, thanks to Bill Synder, for a full decade they owned us in football. So for 10% of their football's history they were really good. Literally for the other 90% they had the worst record in the NCAA. That's not stretching the truth. That is the facts & in fact SI did an article about this just before Bill Synder came to Manhattan.

So again, no disrespect intended, but KSU has really for most of the years been another game -- there hasn't been reason for hate. More than anything it's just been pride I suppose that there are so many state schools in Kansas.

We have played against them for more than a century, but let's be real, in both football & basketball, for 90 years of it, it has felt more like we're playing our purple in state school who gets excited to play us. Similar to playing Washburn or Emporia State in many ways.

This is no disrespect to them, there have been some great heated contests like the one last night, but really we've had about as many of those (7) over the last century as we've had with Nebraska.

It's just not logical or even truthful to really hate them. They are our friends & it feels more like a little brother, or like Iowa State perhaps.

Again, big respect to KSU's gameplan last night. Frank Martin, for the moment, has a good team. Just like Iowa State did a decade ago. Just like Nebraska did 12 years ago. And their fans have come out of hiding. I would say by the way, since their building is a rectangle, it might be time to change it's knickname???

The Rectangle of Disaster? The Rectangle of Cats? The rectangle of Litter?

At any rate, back to the point at hand: hate & rivalry, which it seems KSU's fans seem to want, just isn't historically plausible with us & it's tough to bite on excitement about chickens or yelling... There is only one team that even fits this mold for KU...


NebraskaJayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago


K-State was the 13th ranked team in the nation and Bramlage was every bit as wild as old Ahearn used to be. Great win.

Larry Smith 12 years, 3 months ago

kushaw, I guess you missed my point entirely. I am all for analyzation, critisism or whatever else you may want to call it. My issue is with those few who can ONLY see the negative, point out ONLY the flaws, but can never seem to see the good, or celebrate the great things, or enjoy all there is about this great game. I chose to enjoy the overall game, and not just focus soley on the mistakes or bad play. I see the mistakes and put them into context. I see the room for improvement, I see the issues. I just choose not to direct my ENTIRE focus on the bad. Reading some of these comments sometimes, you would think the team is 1-20, not 20-1.

I think Drgnslayer understands what I am trying to say. Some people should just learn to throw in an occasional compliment along the way.

Living your life only seeing the negative, and never enjoying the good positive things in life is no way to go.

Thats all i'm saying.

Kent Wells 12 years, 3 months ago


I was drunk about halfway through the first half, but I'd give it a 8.5 or 9 just from the adversity, coming together through some serious adversity (foul trouble, free throw shooting, out rebounded, etc...) and still winning the game.

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

I give the Jayhawk performance an overall 8.52 performance. For those that like poistive reinforcement and the "Way to Go" raw raw chant, I gave the 8.52 so whomever would like to round up to 9 would have the opportunity to do so in order to make themselves feel better.

For those that enjoy the components and the more detailed approach to the moving pieces of a basketball game you will understand that the 14-2 run in the second half, the missed bunnies and the end of regulation execution was almost a full point worth of "Improvement" that can be addressed for future games.

dynamitehawk 12 years, 3 months ago

I am really still trying to figure out where Sherron Collins came from. What is his genetic makeup? Is he formed from the very rock that General Custer took his last stand? Drenched with the blood from hundreds of the most courageous men ever? Did he come from the comet that Bruce Willis blew up in "Armageddon"?

Mike Kendall 12 years, 3 months ago

kuwells-- Your "Top 10 I Never Do" list is funny stuff. Pretty creative. I would like to go to a Jayhawk game with you sometime because I think it would be a fun experience! Keep up the Top 10 lists--I like reading them!

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

Jayhawk86: No, I pretty much got your point, but your rant towards other posters is very general and it appears that you are calling out the entire community that participates on this thread or board. If there is something you don't like or agree with, than address it with that individual instead of making generalizations towards posters who are indeed being negative or nitpicking. If your issue is only with those "Few" than just ignore them. Instead, you spent an entire conversation talking about a few negative posters when you could have been talking about the great game of basketball and how Sherron Collins came up big at the end of OT.

Chris Bruning 12 years, 3 months ago

team 8 brady 10 i can't help but laugh at witheys 1 possession play...oh s*** hot potato. i think somebody was NNNERRRVVVOOOUUUSSS. haha, he'll come along with danny manning and self though.

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

kuwells - love the top 10 list. agreed on erin andrews, east coast bias, the lame beards, and k-state not being a rival. As much as you may hate dickie V, he did make a good point. For something to be considered a rivalry the other team needs to win once in awhile. When he was defending his opinions against critics that cry out east coast bias (he used examples of uconn beating texas - legit, and georgetown beating duke - not legit. how is that an arguement? duke is on the east coast too) I would love to hear his defense of North Carolina remaining in the top 25 for so long. East coast bias and the espn love affair with roy williams is the only thing that explains that.

Kent Wells 12 years, 3 months ago

Mikendal: Thank you and get your ass to Austin for Big Monday! I'll be there. Or does the "dal" part not mean Dallas??? As far as the game, I ususally get Hightower for a ref and just scream at him the whole game. It might be embarassing.

kushaw: Don't be so damned sensitive. And if you feel you must, screw with them. Give their performance an 8.50000000009 and then listen to the argument how that rounds to a 9.

I might be able to do a Top 10 "Where is Sherron from???" list to help dynamite. You seem troubled deeply my internet/KU fan brother!

Kent Wells 12 years, 3 months ago

Thank you also NebraskaJayhawk and icthawkfan316. I had some free time on an airplane this morning...

Jonathan Briles 12 years, 3 months ago

I know that this is a basketball article and I don't like to do this, but I have great football news. Four star RB Brandon Bourbon out of Missouri just committed to KU this morning. Some people probably already know of this but for those who don't... get excited!

Kent Wells 12 years, 3 months ago

That is great news. Its a shame a kid named Bourbon couldn't go drinking with Reesing on Friday nights before a big game.

OK, I found that an extremely smart A'd funny comment...

NebraskaJayhawk 12 years, 3 months ago

That is awesome news. I suspect we're going to see more of Gill's recruiting come into play before Wednesday's deadline. We're going to need more of these comitts. Missouri and Nebraska both have really nice classes coming into next season.

Larry Smith 12 years, 3 months ago

Kushaw, I don't know that you would classify my post as a rant, but..OK.

I kept it general and beause it is that, a very general and broad comment. Depending on the game and depending on the day, this applies to many different people. I would think that the only people that would take offense to it, are the people it addresses. Those who chose to ONLY comment negatively. I have no issue with those who analyze or those who critique and offer suggestions. That is part of what makes reading and posting comments so enjoyable. I just say that some people should learn to see the positive side of things as well.

My initial post was in no way directed at you, as I have always found your posts thorough and insightful. You seem to enjoy the game and enjoy watching the team. I am unsure why you would think I am attacking you or more broadly The "entire community that participates on this thread or board" because my comments don't apply to you or the entire community. I am just saying that those who chose to only point out the bad and cannot seem to see the good are missing a pretty good game sometimes. It's like the old saying, "You can't see the forrest because of all the trees"

Do you remember the old commercial on the radio where this guy tells his brother-in-law that they just won the lottery. And the brother-in-laws response was..."Ha you only won the 12 million dollar lottery? Well, we only play it when it gets to be at least 40 million. Thats where the real money is."

Some people cannot seem to enjoy the good, they always seem to only point out the bad.

That's all I'm saying

Chris Shaw 12 years, 3 months ago

jayhawk86: "Do you remember the old commercial on the radio where this guy tells his brother-in-law that they just won the lottery. And the brother-in-laws response was..."Ha you only won the 12 million dollar lottery? Well, we only play it when it gets to be at least 40 million. Thats where the real money is."

That is a funny statement and I intitially didn't think you were talking to me, but thought I would chime in to the generalization being mentioned about "Negative Comments". Maybe I don't see it as much or I may just look past the negative posts and just ignore them all together.

It's all good, Jayhawk86, I was just offering a way to combat all the "Negativity" that you seem to be seeing.

kuflick 12 years, 3 months ago

I will have to say I haven't been that nervous at the end of regulation since the championship game. Collins all year has been the guy to give it to at the end but I think he is getting a little cocky for lack of a better word. Waiting until 6 seconds left to start your drive is not very smart in my opinion. It takes at least 5 to 6 seconds to get a contested drive to the basket from half court. What if there is a defender waiting for your turn around or the defender guarding you doesn't let you by. You need to start with about 8 or 9 seconds that way if you have to make a pass or if you do make it to the basket give the bigs a chance to rebound. I will still want the ball in Collins' hands at the end of all close games, but I think he needs to get a realization that he might need some help sometime, and maybe this was it.

Jim Pendleton 12 years, 3 months ago

Hawktagon !! LOL !! As I said yesterday, it is hard to imagine any place being a something of doom, when you currently have a two game streak there - losing streak that is! The only other doom is on the home team when you are 1-21 in your own building against your rival.

Yes, there were lots of things across the board last night that Coach Self will use as attention getters for future weeks ahead. However, we cannot fault anyone for continuing to battle and get the job done when things looked tough on many occasions. We got the job done, most important.

Something I would really like to see before we get to postseason - someone else to step up at the end of a game to make the winning play. Nothing against Sherron, he does a great job, but if we can get others to step up as well, it will leave some doubt in an opponent's mind as to who else the play might go to. You have to figure in the postseason that a team would try to keep Sherron from making the play. We definitely need more end of game options.

While I like our position with a two game lead right now, there are many obstacles in our path ahead. While the game at Boulder should be a win, they are a much better team this year, so we must come ready to play (AFH West Crowd needs to bring it as well Wed night). We still have other road games at UT, A&M, OSU, and MU. All of these will be tough places to play, but our boys will be up for the challenge.

Let's do it - Rock Chalk !!

David Leathers 12 years, 3 months ago

Hey, check this out! Way off subject, and aside from yesterday, a totally different sport.

Turner Gill just signed another four star RB from Missouri. The kid was actually headed for Stanford and backed out of his commitment after he visited the KU campus. His name is Brandon Bourbon. Listed at 6'2" 205, he has legit size coming from HS and amazing speed, running a 4.4 sec. 40m.

He may compete for PT and possibly share the load with Toben. It's nice to have that size/speed combo. But, unlike Jake Sharp, Bourbon has some size. And a nice name.

Tony Bandle 12 years, 3 months ago


Now all we need is another running back named Waters :}

My fearless prediction for tomorrow...Kentucky will still get some #1 votes and don't be shocked if they stay on top...only sayin' .........don't think logic plays any part with the rankings voters!!!!

Dale Koch 12 years, 3 months ago

I don't know if anyone else said this and I doubt anyone will read this, but I don't get all the hype about Collins' last shot. Why was it necessary to shoot it at all? We had the lead with 11 seconds to go so why not hold the ball and let them foul? Sure, it went in and now he looks like a hero, but if he misses they have the ball with plenty of time to score and win. I just don't get it. Seems as if it were a Collins idea alone and truly not a wise one at that.

Go Hawks! A win, but doesn't really feel like one.

KULA 12 years, 3 months ago

kushaw, you're absolutely right about the last play, except that it wasn't "drawn up." I've never seen Self draw up a play. I don't think he knows how to. His offense sucks.

And Self better start thinking seriously about getting Sherron some rest during the game. That's why he's cramping up and we're not gonna be able to afford that come tournament time. He should be playing EJ(next year's point guard, right?) at point 4 min/half to get Sherron some rest. Is Self really that scared that the bottom's gonna fall out if Sherron comes out for a few minutes? Way to show confidence in your players, Coach! That'll really help build THEIR confidence!

redlegger 12 years, 3 months ago

Just saw this quote from Pat Forde's article "Collins comes through for KU late" - the last line in this quote says it all - enjoy...

"Sherron can play poorly, can play great," said Self, "but regardless of the situation he can usually make a positive play when it matters most."

Collins did it when it mattered earlier in the second half as well.

The Wildcats had gone on a 15-3 run to take a 49-45 lead that would be their largest of the game. The Octagon of Doom -- which had gotten more hype recently than Octomom -- was deafening. That's when Collins swished a deep 3. On KU's next possession he drove for a layup that returned the lead to the Jayhawks and returned the K-State fans to their seats.

Just like that, the Octagon was no more annoying than a stop sign.

AsadZ 12 years, 3 months ago

I have now watched the game again and I must say that despite having couple of turnovers Taylor had a great game. He used his athletic ability to drive to the basket and got extremely valuable free throws especially in OT when Collins was out. Besides Collins Taylor is one player who is able to do it. X has the ability but he seems to be out of control when driving to the basket. Hopefully Taylor can build on this game and get his confidence back down the stretch. Also, I counted a total of 11 missed bunnies, 8 in first half and three in the second. Regardless, it was a great win.

kvskubball 12 years, 3 months ago


If I remember correctly, there would still have been 5 seconds left after our shot clock expired, so no KSU didn't have to foul us, and they would have gotten the ball back down 1 with 5.2 seconds left....I checked the video, and the above is correct...

jaybate 12 years, 3 months ago


I put the microsope on Tyshawn last night, as promised. I waited till now to post about it, because Tyshawn's performance, just as Tyshawn himself, apparently, is rather complicated. Some time to reflect leads me to the following.

I saw Quantum T differently than you, and most others, did.

I saw a uneven performance for most of the game, followed by a stretch run and an OT, where we couldn't possibly have won without what QT gave us.

I think you and some other astute observers have fallen victim to what the jaybate basketball dictionary calls "Bone-Headed Play at Clutch Time without Immediately Compensating Play Evaluation Bias Syndrome." :-)

This syndrome occurs when a player makes a really bad play and then does not immediately after make a really brilliant and decisive compensating play. The bone headed play thus becomes frozen and magnified in a viewer's memory and overshadows the remaining positive contributions the player makes the rest of the stretch run. :-)

This syndrome can be made vastly more acute, if the bone headed play is followed by the bone-headed play of a team mate, in this case Brady M, who compounds error by fouling on a lay up to create a three-point play. The viewer tends to link the two bone-headed plays and assign causality to the first one, rather than evenly distributing blame to both players. :-)


Really, though, I am only half joking. This phenomenon is real and it is why coaches sometimes amend their post game assessments, once they have objectively studied game video. Self said in post game interviews last night that Tyshawn was a major contributor; that matches with his in-game decisions to play Tyshawn a Brady-like 30 minutes. It will be interesting to see if Self changes his public thinking after watching video. Probably not, because coaches don't like to announce changes toward the negative. They only like to go more positive. But I digress.

The point is: some big plays in games can distort our evaluation of things to the positive, or to the negative.

jaybate 12 years, 3 months ago

In the Hollywood movie game, there is a rule of thumb among some that a film needs 5 or 6 memorable moments to be successful. More is too many for an audience to recall. Less is not enough for them to recall and feel fulfilled by a movie. This is Hollywood shorthand meaning the rest of the story has to be solid (i.e., three acts, 100-110 minutes, meet the villain first, the hero second, a precipitating action event within 3 minutes setting the stage for the hero to commence solving his problem, a plot point after 25 minutes that reveals he is trying to solve a much bigger, or different, problem than he thought, introduction of a love interest around 30 minutes in, a mid point at 50 minutes that signals a turning point toward a foreseeable, inevitable confrontation of some kind, a third act demarcating plot point at 75 minutes in redirecting the action toward the arena the climax will occur within, a climactic fight between hero and villain with about 5 minutes to go, a denouement with 2 minutes to go, and roll credits at 100 minutes), but the rest of the movie is essentially the glue that delivers viewers from one memorable moment to the next. And it is the memorable moments that drive the word of mouth that gives a film legs at the box office, according to this take on movies.

Time and again, research shows persons only remember a tiny bit of any dramatic narrative content and these moments tend to be the peak moments--both peak good ones and peak bad ones. The rest we can barely recall, or recall with a bias created by the memorable moments.

A basketball game and a movie have some similarities of dramatic structure and we experience and remember them similarly in some ways.

So: back to QT.

He's in a game, a big game, an action thriller, a stunner. He's basically a glue player, like Brady, this season. So: much of what he does good and bad goes unnoticed.

jaybate 12 years, 3 months ago

We are in fact prone to recall his gaffs more than his great plays, because Self is not really asking him to make many great plays. Same with Brady. QT is judged mostly by his mistakes, because he mostly is not asked by Self to make off-setting, memorable "go get a basket" plays.

But we have the legacy and cognitive baggage of him being a nascent impact/go-to guy in last season's scheme. So we have a lot of structural dissonance in viewing Tyshawn. We know he's just supposed to be glue this year, but we can't shake our expectations of him being more last year.

So: before we even begin to analyse what Quantum T is actually doing (right and wrong), we have to make allowances for bias in legacy expectations and biases of "Bone-Headed Play at Clutch Time without Immediately Compensating Play Evaluation Bias Syndrome." We have do this the same way the Jet Propulsion Laboratory has to make allowances for the distorting flaws in the Hubble Deep Space Telescope's mirror. Consider my raising these points, as my effort to get you and others to implement some psychic algorithms to adjust your mental lenses before I proceed. I found I needed to make the changes, so my best guess is that others perhaps may need to also.

Now to the analysis and its not very profound, because it does not need to be, once one has looked through the adjusted lenses.

Tyshawn stands up and watches too much, or too little. :-)

Tyshawn is part of the video game and Facebook generation. To watch is to be truly alive in this generation. To live is actually a kind of nuisance this generation puts up with between watching. :-)

It is rather like my generation in which we lived for the music, and thought work and living were thing you did between songs and parties. :-)

This standing and watching takes him out of his anticipation mode. It takes him out of his butt down and bent knee position on defense too much. It makes him not look consistently for and feel constantly what is happening while he is on offense. He is not a bad kid. He is not a show boat. He just has celebrate mode and blank mode and nothing in between. But Self and time are slowly bringing more shades and degrees of emotion on his psychic scale.

In short, Tyshawn has a concentration problem. It interrupts his bursts of talent on defense and on offense. It makes him Basketball Player Interrupted. He does not iterate in incremental gradations smoothly between broad and narrow focus either. He iterates in rather large, discrete blocks.

He is cat like, not only in his speed and quickness, but in his perception and quickness of mental processing. He is on. He is off. He is not in between.

He accelerates at light speed and decelerates at about the same speed.

Watch him.

jaybate 12 years, 3 months ago

On ball, especially if the defender is a viable threat as a scorer, he is probably an even better defender than Brady. He is utterly engaged. His defensive posture is what it ought to be. And though his positioning vis a vis the offender is not consistently as optimized as Brady's is, Quantum T's near superluminal quickness and speed helps him recover twice as fast as Brady. This is what Self loves about QT's defense.

Off ball defense is where "stand and watch, or sometimes not even watch" takes over. Like a cat, QT has trouble holding focus once the level of stimulation lessens precipitously. Off ball defense is a real chore for QT, even though he can do it effortlessly well for brief periods. His concentration wanes and he stands and he watches, but if you look closely, he is not in a state of relentless vigilance of lesser developers like Sherron, or Tyrel Reed, or better defenders like Brady. Sherron and Tyrel have no choice but to stay vigilant, because they lack the defensive speed and quick recovery time of QT. Brady has to because, he lacks the recovery time.

Tyshawn has a life time of experience and conditioning built in to him that makes him think and act as he does and it is an interwoven tapestry of watching, short attention span, and of superluminal speed and quickness.

Asking Tyshawn to be a glue player puts an enormous demand on him. Glue players have to be consistently vigilant on offense and defense, because they are trying to monitor how to enable everyone else all the time; that's a lot of thinking both when stimulus levels are high and when there are lulls in the game. Sherron, Brady and Tyrel are able to do this at will. This is why Sherron can move in and out of glue and impact rolls (PG and 2 man), so well, and Tyshawn struggles so fitfully with the task.

We see the reverse problem with Brady sometimes. He is nearly a savant as a glue man. But when Self gives Brady the ball and says be a PG (as he has been doing lately for brief trials), go get me a basket, he kind of seizes up mentally while switching into impact mode, even though he clearly has the physical skills necessary to be a point guard. He has trained his mind to be glue, not impact. It will take a while to retrain.

But in Tyshawn's case, he has always been a second, or third, option impact player, because of his near superluminal speed. Never a glue guy. So its not just retraining he requires to become a glue guy. He has to learn to be glue for the first time. The first time is always the hardest and most awkward.

To sum things up here, Tyshawn is going through a first time transition to glue this season. Russell Robinson had some serious ups and downs making the transition from impact player to glue. He wound up on the bench for his entire freshman season, because of the difficulties of changing from what he had always been--a PG impact player in high school--to a college glue man at the 2.

jaybate 12 years, 3 months ago

But Self knows how great Tyshawn could, and likely will be, for this team, when/if Ty can master glue and still retain the near super luminal recovery speed on defense and the equally stunning speed on wing drives to the glass.

Self betrayed vs. K-State where Tyshawn truly stands in Self's esteem. Self gave Tyshawn his ultimate compliment. He let him be a 30 minute man on the floor at crunch time. What we've been witnessing before this was the systematic toughening of Tyshawn, the transformation of a boy into a man, the forcing of a player to overcome the profoundest kind of doubt a coach can create in a player to toughen him--the doubt that he can even play any more at all.

And once again, Tyshawn, despite a long stretch of uneven play, and a major bone head play down the stretch, once again, Tyshawn proved that the old coach can count on him to do way more good than harm, that when the chips are down, when everyone else on the court is hamstrung by fatigue and the inability to recognize defenses, when the other defense is overplaying to stop Sherron and Cole, that the old Quantum T can still transform a game by a wing drive and a lay up like no one else on the team.

Tyshawn has greatness in him. It will be one of Self's greatest coaching jobs if he can draw it out without breaking the still fragile vessel of Tyshawn's complex ego.

I believe Self can, because I believe Tyshawn had the right stuff to start with. He wanted to play for Tom Crean, who was a good man. He rightly switched from Crean to Self, another good man, when Crean tried to do what was best for his career. Tyshawn knew the journey he had to make. He couldn't know how difficult it would be, but then none of us ever knows that.

Either late this year, or next season, Tyshawn is going to become a much more consistent performer. The want-to is there. The coaching is there. And if he ever develops a 40% trey shot, and adds 15 pounds, he will be another one of Self's great guards.

Theutus 12 years, 3 months ago

Jaybate, i honestly only read the first paragraph in that mess... But i'll say this: Taylor is the absolute last guy I want with the ball in a clutch situation.

In his entire time at KU, i have yet to see his "basketball smarts" improve. His defense? Yes. His ability to think whatsoever in a tight situation? Not a chance in hell.

I hope you are right, and he develops into a great.... But right now he's the absolute last person i want with the ball (or even in the game) in a clutch situation.

Kye Clark 12 years, 3 months ago

To my fellow Jayhawk bretheren out there who were in on this discussion earlier - having just watched the Bill Self show, the play at the half court line at the end of regulation where Tyshawn was credited with a turnover, from the mouth of Coach Self that turnover was Brady's fault. Said he was supposed to keep coming to the ball. Anyway, glad I wasn't hallucinating that play.

KULA 12 years, 3 months ago

I agree ict... Tyshawn gets too much grief. That turnover was as much Brady's fault as Tyshawn's. And then Brady fouls while allowing a made shot (if you're gonna foul, don't let'em make the shot). I'm a big fan of TT--he brings a lot to this team. (I'll take his play over X's)

JHWK 12 years, 3 months ago

This board is getting funnier by the Win!

Wouldn't it be great if this whole group were at Free State one night, where we could just gather 'round the grey-beards while they spewed forth their 'knowledge' of ole KU!

Some great stuff in here since the big win against a great KSU squad. The game in AFH will be unlike any rematch we've had. Like the TX squad with Durant, those two games that year were legendary. The 2nd w/KSU will be similar.

I love how HCBS gives props to TT and Brady being the keys to the win. Obviously, Cole and Sherron are the keys to the team, but without these contributors, there is no team. It is unbelievable to see X fade as he has with the stiffness of competition. He has only performed well when games are well in hand, lately. Many of you have proposed you see TT starting ahead of X, and I believe that to be true, shortly. That makes for an odd line-up, but if MarcM keeps it up, will be no problem.

What would have happened if TRob and EJ had also red-shirted? I continually feel bad for their PT. Someone talk some sense into me....but I feel like we are deep enough without them. Granted, one can never prepare for injuries, but we could have 'unshirted' them if the worst happened.....

Enought of me, and let me end agreeing with many of you: CU and NU are trap games, unless we get that killer mindset. As HCBS has said, we need that piece of our psychy. Could have stepped on KSU's throat at start of 2nd half, with a few bunnies made and some D stops, but did not. Same with mizzery. Let's get that on Wed and perfect it on Sat!!

Rock Chalk!!!

jaybate 12 years, 3 months ago


You mean well, my friend, but you are suffering some vision problems about Tyshawn that recall your insistence last season that Sherron was the root of all evil in KU basketball. :-)

You will come around on Tyshawn, also.

And I say this only partly agreeing with Bill Self's comment that Brady's failing to keep coming to Tyshawn's pass was the real mistake.

Responsibility for passing always and ultimately resides with the passer.

A passer has to know his teammate well enough to know what he is going to do in situations like that.

Still, mistakes happen at crunch time, just as they do any other time, and that is the core of what I have been saying about Tyshawn and about the entire KU team in that stretch run. Each player that played in the stretch made stunning mistakes--too many usually to win. But they did win and that is the sign of both a good team, and, less fortunately, the sign of some allocation of luck burned up that might have been nicer to have in the tournament.

Regardless, Theutus, I am confident that by next season, assuming Tyshawn is back, you will be developing the same kind of amnesia about Tyshawn's unreliability at crunch time, as you have developed about Sherron's being a hopelessly flawed point guard.

And, of course, you will be making another myopic observation about yet another remarkable player that I will then have to correct you on. The only difference will be that I will have to mention both Sherron and Tyshawn next season. :-)

Rock chalk!

jaybate 12 years, 3 months ago

Phelps is a traitor!--drgnslayr

I believe the most accurate word is panderer.

Richard "Digger" Phelps sucks up to who ever he is with.

Or in today's context of broadcasting, he over-reports anyone he thinks will up his ratings, and under-reports anyone he thinks cannot help his ratings.

He appears never to stop playing all sides.

It is amusing to watch Vitale and Bilas watch Phelps comment.

Vitale is incredulous that someone can pander more than he does.

Bilas is incredulous that somone can be utterly without shame in pandering.

Ultimately, Vitale will always tell the truth...after he has ground the axe of his agenda long enough.

Bilas is like the very proper kid in class who struggles mightily to say things exactly the right way in hopes of getting the highest grade.

Phelps just shamelessly panders, or so it appears.

It also appears remotely possible that Richard "Digger" Phelps crossed over some psychic threshold and left behind the entirety of his pride, dignity and sense of self worth to keep putting food on the table.

I used to think he was very aware of his pandering and that he thought himself very clever in the way he pandered in broadcasting.

But there is an old adage: be careful what you do, because you eventually become what you do.

Digger seems to have become the panderer he once only skillfully pretended to be.

Or maybe only he still knows the difference.

waywardJay 12 years, 3 months ago


SO are you suggesting .....

Syracuse v. Uconn March 12th 2009 was the Seven Samarui of College basketball ???

Johnnie Flynn as Shimada ? Paul Harris as Kikuchiro ? Eric Devendorf as Kyuzo ? Andy Rautins as Shino ?

Tyshawn Taylor... then by proxy.... is Leonard Shelby. Brutally efficient, and lost without his tattoos, notes, or his camera.

Tyshawn's astute ability to forget could be useful if he develops that deep threat, or if he remembers to use it. However, until then we are unfortunately at the whim of his rememberences, until his short term comes back into focus.

Let's hope Colorado, Nebraska or Texas provide a "Teddy Gammell" moment.....

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