Thursday, January 21, 2010

Baylor meant no disrespect

The Allen Fieldhouse crowd watches Kansas guard Sherron Collins put up a three-pointer over Baylor forward Quincy Acy with 1:12 left in the game to boost the Jayhawks over the Bears Wednesday, Jan. 20, 2010 at Allen Fieldhouse.

The Allen Fieldhouse crowd watches Kansas guard Sherron Collins put up a three-pointer over Baylor forward Quincy Acy with 1:12 left in the game to boost the Jayhawks over the Bears Wednesday, Jan. 20, 2010 at Allen Fieldhouse.


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KU survives Baylor, 81-75

Baylor gave the Jayhawks a run for their money Wednesday night at Allen Fieldhouse.

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2010 KU-Baylor

It didn’t take long for word to get back to Baylor coach Scott Drew that his decision to lead his team off the court and into a nearby hallway during Kansas University’s pregame introductions Wednesday had rubbed some of the Jayhawks’ coaches and players the wrong way.

“I never dreamed that people might take it as disrespectful,” said Drew, minutes after his team had dropped a narrow 81-75 loss to KU at Allen Fieldhouse. “Obviously, had I known that might be the case, we’d have never done it.

“It was simply because we knew we only had a minute when we got back out,” he added. “We wanted to go over what we wanted to do to start the game, and there’s no rules against it or anything. We just met in the hallway because their intro is pretty good and pretty long. (It was) no sign of disrespect or anything like that.”

Whatever the motivation for the mass exodus, it was hard to argue with the immediate results.

After returning to the court, the No. 25 Bears came out firing — shooting 53-percent from the field in the first half while connecting on five of eight three-point attempts — and didn’t much slow down, providing No. 3 Kansas with one of its staunchest challenges of the young season.

With the exception of turnovers, which along with late-game rebounding struggles proved to be too much to overcome, the Bears dominated the stat sheet.

They outrebounded the Jayhawks (34-29), outshot them from the field (52-percent to 44-percent), outshot them from three-point range (48-percent to 38-percent) and blocked seven shots compared to Kansas’ zero.

In short, they did everything but win the game.

“I think we did a good job of handling the ball and dealing with the crowd,” said LaceDarius Dunn, who carried Baylor with 27 points, nine rebounds and four steals. “Most of all, we slowed it down, because Kansas likes to run. So we tried our best to slow it down every once in a while and run our offense.”

In the final two minutes, however, the Jayhawks corralled five offensive rebounds and outscored the Bears 16-10 to extend their winning streak at Allen Fieldhouse to 53 games — though the ovation Baylor players received from Kansas fans as they exited the court afterward hinted at the impressive nature of the Bears’ performance.

“It wasn’t good enough,” said BU guard Tweety Carter, asked about the team’s effort. “We’re better than that. Take nothing away from Kansas, they’re a great team. They showed it tonight. (But) we’ve got to get better as a team and a unit.”


actorman 12 years, 10 months ago

Very impressive performance by Baylor. I would have cheered them too. And what Scott Drew has done there has to be almost comparable to what Bill Snyder has done for KSU in football. It's amazing how far they've come in such a short time.

I doubt that KU really felt that disrespected. I'll bet it was a case of finding motivation wherever you can get it.

Jack Brooks 12 years, 10 months ago

Here is a take on the character of Scott Drew.

Also, try a google search for Scott Drew negative recruiting. Lots of links. I find his innocent "we meant no disrespect" claim dubious.

phogthedog 12 years, 10 months ago

Does he pull his team into the hallway at other games? It was completely classless. I used to support Baylor, given their remarkable turnaround from their past. Not anymore.

jayhawk15 12 years, 10 months ago

Yeah it was a little disrespectful but you guys are overreacting. Scott Drew is a really good young coach and considering what they were a few years ago and what they are now, it is night and day better. Honestly whatever scott drew did disrespectful or not was effective for his team because they came out playing well. I have been at to many games and seen the other teams players looking at our video intro instead of listening to their coach who was talking to them in a huddle. Scott drew I think tried to take away that distraction like a good coach should, but they didn't go about it the best way.

Mike Kendall 12 years, 10 months ago

"I never dreamed that people might take it as disrespectful. Obviously, had I known that might be the case, we'd have never done it."

The response I have in regard to this is from Adam Sandler's movie, "Mr. Deeds," late in the movie, when the girlfriend chases Deeds and then falls into the ice pond, "Bulls****!" Don't insult my basketball intelligence!

Sadiesmom 12 years, 10 months ago

What does Drew do before the game, isn't the team suppose to have a game plan before they leave the locker room. Baylor was extremely disrespectful

minnhawk84 12 years, 10 months ago

I dunno, Baylor was the better team last night in nearly every aspect except the final score. Incredible shooting -- where was KU's defense? We won one we probably shouldn't have -- time to get our act together.

Timmay97 12 years, 10 months ago

Dunn was pulling shots out of his butt. I've never seen someone take such bad perimeter shots and most go in. There is no way he can keep that pace up. I thought Morningstar did a tremendous job staying in Dunn's face.

Kudo's to Coach Self for starting Morningstar. Now I think the team has the right 5 guys on the floor to start the game.

You might say that KU's defense needs to improve (and it does), but I take this as a great sign that when a team can shoot like Baylor did, beat us on the boards, blocks, FG%, etc.....and we still win.......we find ways.

I'm pretty sure this is the first game Cole didn't have a block. His head was not in this game. I really do feel for the guy.

Martin Rosenblum 12 years, 10 months ago

This is a pretty telling, read-between-the- lines statement from Coach Drew:

"..there’s no rules against it or anything. We just met in the hallway because their intro is pretty good and pretty long. (It was) no sign of disrespect or anything like that.”

"..pretty good and pretty long.."! Maybe next game, we can let the opposing team preview our pre-game presentation in order to decide whether they think they can stand to be at/on/near their bench while it's being done. Nobody says they have to be focused on our presentation. There are "... no rules against it or anything." like Drew said. But, how immature and petty to make a point of being absent ffrom the floor by choice like that! That statement sounds pre-planned, as if you have given thought to whether your breaking rules or not, a little guilt there IMHO.

Matt Bowers 12 years, 10 months ago

The Pope's not Catholic.

Drew has turned the program around, but how is he going to conduct it? He is still expected to set the example. It probably isn't that big of a deal, but it did get HCBS attention and he usually doesn't make personal comments about others that aren't associated with the team. Good win.

Rock Chalk

Dyrk Dugan 12 years, 10 months ago

i mean, as the coach at Baylor Scott Drew has done a remarkable job....but leaving the floor after your team is introduced, and blowing off our team introductions is completely disrespectful, stupid and nonsensical!

it makes no sense. this b.s. about "we only had a minute" is preposterous. they have the whole pre game for cyring out loud.

of course, in the grand scheme of things it means nothing...but that is part of the point. if it means nothing, then why not stay on the court?

it's just like all the finger pointers at John Calipari at the end of the NCAA finals two years ago. the ESPN guys at the end of the game said he should have taken a timeout after the free throw......he had just taken a timeout BEFORE the free throws! what did he say to his team then about fouling or non fouling!

let's call it what it was: it was a disrespectful move....done to motivate his own team to get ready to play. he told his team, "we're not going to stand here, and watch this holier than thou, we're the kings of college bball video. we're a Big 12 team, the Baylor Bears, and we're going to end their streak tonight." Period.

Brett Forreal 12 years, 10 months ago

To still win and lose in pretty much every stat category is mind blowing. I think it shows that we have so much talent, but are not showing all of it for some reason. It is kinda like a half effort win, but at least it was a win. This won't work later in the KSU, at Texas and in March. I see X coming back for sure and maybe Cole if he can't turn it around quick. But I guess more weird things have happened. If X leaves he'll be another J. Wright in the NBA probably. Where has X gone?

Fruity22 12 years, 10 months ago

Who cares how the opposing team handles the pregame video/introductions. Some teams watch it, others immediately get into a tight huddle after their starters are introduced and ignore it. Is that disrespectful too? If KU used it as motivation then good for them but the players need to care more about kicking behind on the court and less about how the opposing team reacts to their video. And the rich folks sitting opposite the players need to get off their backsides and attempt to get loud. I don't think they stood up until the last minute of the game.

John Strayer 12 years, 10 months ago

What instructions were given in that last couple of minutes before tip, that could be deliver back in the locker room before introductions? Also, isn't there a minute or two after introductions where the teams huddle just prior to tip?

Chris Shaw 12 years, 10 months ago

If I was a coach playing against the Jayhawks and I pulled a Scott Drew this how I would react. Bill Self and the Jayhawks aren't paying for my salary and his opinions don't dictate my W/L record, which ultimately I am judged. My job is to win basketball games and I am going to to do whatever I can to win especially on the road in a hostile environment. I meant no disrespect to the Jayhawks, players, or coaches, but my job is to have our team ready to play at tip. We didn't travel all the way from Waco, Texas to watch a video of the Jayhawks during pre-game. We came to win a basketball game against the Kansas Jayhawks and I was prepared to have my team as focused as possible even if it meant getting them away from some noise so I could talk to my team.

That's pretty much how I would have handled the situation.

ChicagoJHawk 12 years, 10 months ago

I don't buy that for a second. They announced all his players' names and they were out in the hallway while this was going on. How could Drew not know it was disrespectful??

And to all you people freaking out...remember Baylor is a top 25 team (AP Poll), so as one would expect, the game will be close. I'm glad we were able to come through with the W. I agree, there are things we need to improve on still, but we have time so lets not freak out too much just yet!

Fruity22 12 years, 10 months ago

Jason King has a good article about the whole pregame snub. He is firmly on the side of Scott Drew on this one being a Baylor grad. He said other teams will start doing it and if that happens I guess I'd have to give props to the audio visual people at KU that put it all together. They would have created a video that is so intimidating to opposing teams that it causes widespread panic across the Big 12. Can't you just see the teams running off when the video starts. Hands over their ears, tears in their eyes, looking down at the ground with their coaches running out by their side shielding them from the terror that is KU tradition. Oh the humanity!

We aren't really clapping for opposing team's effort now are we like Nebraska's football fans do or at least use to. If you are one of the ones cheering on a team's effort in a loss then you better be doing it when somebody comes in and wins too. If Missouri comes in and wins next Monday does anybody want to cheer for their effort? I wouldn't think so. Let's save all the cheering for our own team.

planohwk 12 years, 10 months ago

A coach's job is get his team ready to play before each game. I would say Coach Drew did a great job of preparing his team to play. I thought that was the best played game the Hawks have had in conference. It just goes to show you that other teams in the Big 12 are getting better. I think there are four or five teams that could make it past the first weekend of the dance. Also, my last post expressed my concern with the Morris boys and Taylor. Marcus has really been the difference in the games against Nebraska and last night. I thought Taylor did a pretty good job of playing Dunn. Watching Collins mature from his first year to now has been a treat. I can't think of anyone playing right now that I would rather have running this team.

mdfraz 12 years, 10 months ago

Timmay, out of curiosity, have you watched LaceDarius Dunn play KU the past few years? Here's his stats:

2010 reg. season: 8-14 overall shooting, 5-8 three pointers, 27 points 2009 tourney: 9-16 overall, 6-11 three pointers, 24 points 2009 reg. season: 2-6 overall, 2-4 three pointers, 13 points 2008 reg. season: 7-14 overall, 5-10 three pointers, 23 points

Even the one "bad" shooting game he had, he scored 13 points against us. He's averaging 52% from the field overall, and 55% from three. Pretty silly to say he takes bad shots and he can't keep that up. I think you will find he's a very good shooter overall.

Baylor going into the tunnel.......why is that disrespectful? They didn't want to watch the video, and they shouldn't have to. They probably couldn't hear themselves think, let alone talk, so step away from it. Why do you think we show that video right before tipoff, and why do they jack the volume up? It's to pump up our guys and the crowd, and to try to provide a little intimidation to the opponent. Is Baylor supposed to just sit there and take it? Whining about a coach making a smart move right before tipoff is stupid.

doctorWho 12 years, 10 months ago

I suspect Drew pulled his team so they would not get intimidated. Makes good sense to me. KU was right to get motivated by it though.

Aldrich needs to step up. The late Baylor surge happened about the time he came back into the game. He looked lost on defense. Baylor smartly sucked him out on to the perimeter on defense where he was ineffective and got in the way of his teammates. Questionable coaching leaving him in the rest of the way, but then I can understand they hope he can fight through the funk he is in.

bradynsdad 12 years, 10 months ago

look at the three point shooting stats of all teams that have played ku back to cornell. their combined first half shooting percentage is around 39%. against ku inthe first half their averaging 59%. twenty percent more. teams always play better when their facing the best competition. even a 5 ft. 100 lb. guard can bring the game of lebron james when they play ku.

mdfraz 12 years, 10 months ago

I have to say, doctor, that questioning Self for leaving an all-American candidate in at the end of a close game seems a bit strange. Cole hasn't looked great a lot of the time this season, but he still has the talent and experience to be a game changer at any point. I'm hoping that now their family isn't in limbo with his grandmother's situation. I don't know if that was his problem, but it surely couldn't have helped. I'm not trying to sound cold about that either; just saying that maybe it will be easier for him and them to move forward and not dwell on her illness.

Marcia Parsons 12 years, 10 months ago

I liked it that Cole moved out and started shooting from about 12' when he got sick of being held and battered under the basket. It seemed like every time he tried to go for a rebound someone was holding onto his shorts.

Kye Clark 12 years, 10 months ago

I'm with those who say, "so what?". Are opposing teams supposed to come in and bow to our banners, kiss our championship rings, stand in awe of our video and introductions? Get real people. I'm sure it was just a way for our team to fire themselves up a little more.

bradynsdad 12 years, 10 months ago

does anyone see maybe were playing just to defend where as the teams we play are playing to attack? i feel like its that old saying that were not playing to win were just playing not to lose. any thoughts?

Damian Glaze 12 years, 10 months ago

Drew did a great job of controlling our crowd. Every time we went on a little run and the crowd started getting into the game, he called a timeout. After the timeout, the noise level was way down and they came out and scored. The best use of timeouts I have ever seen a coach do while at Allen Field House. He tamed our crowd to prevent his team from getting anxious. Opening intro be damned, Drew is proving to be a very dangerous coach in this league. Why can't someone from the SEC or PAC-10 come steal him away. Hopefully, our fans can recognized these tactics better next time and really keep the noise coming out of the time out.

nwjhawk 12 years, 10 months ago

Who cares if they went out into the hallway during our team intros. Is it disrespectful that our fans boo or hold up newspapers when when the opposing team is being introduced? Some you need to get over yourselves and your double standards.

Hawk1969 12 years, 10 months ago

This is more the media making an issue of the "walkout" than KU or Jayhawk fans. As a basketball fan, I was far more impressed with Baylor's effort than I was offended by Drew taking the Bears to the hallway to prepare fro the start of the game.

Ryan Leary 12 years, 10 months ago

i actually think it was a great idea to take them into a side hallway. the two games i have been too this year i always looked down at the opposing team and their players are looking up at the video bored with their mouths wide open. if you want to keep your team focused and not get intimidated in AFH taking them in a side hallway during the opening video is genius!!!

bradynsdad 12 years, 10 months ago

so if nobody cares if they go into the hallway then why even introduce them? why not keep them in their lockeroom til the game starts? we dont even have to put their name on the scoreboard, lets make it like high school and just put up visitor.

actorman 12 years, 10 months ago

"We aren't really clapping for opposing team's effort now are we like Nebraska's football fans do or at least use to. If you are one of the ones cheering on a team's effort in a loss then you better be doing it when somebody comes in and wins too. If Missouri comes in and wins next Monday does anybody want to cheer for their effort? I wouldn't think so. Let's save all the cheering for our own team."

Fruity, I don't think you have the right handle; it should be Fruitcake. Heaven forbid the KU fans show a little class and appreciation for an impressive accomplishment by the other team. And just because the fans cheer for a Baylor team that has come a remarkably long way in a very short time doesn't mean that we would ever cheer for Misuse, for crying out loud. I guess the term "sportsmanship" is lost on you.

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