Originally published December 23, 2008 at 08:35p.m., updated December 23, 2008 at 11:40p.m.

FINAL: Jordan Hill’s 23 points lead Arizona to 84-67 victory

Arizona guard Nic Wise screams after a bucket during a Wildcat run during the second half Tuesday, Dec. 23, 2008 at the McKale Center in Tucson.

Arizona guard Nic Wise screams after a bucket during a Wildcat run during the second half Tuesday, Dec. 23, 2008 at the McKale Center in Tucson.


Reader poll

Who was KU's first-half MVP against Arizona?

  • Markieff Morris 10% 8 votes
  • Brady Morningstar 68% 55 votes
  • Marcus Morris 6% 5 votes
  • Tyshawn Taylor 11% 9 votes
  • Other 3% 3 votes

80 total votes.

Past Event

KU vs. Arizona

  • Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 9:30 p.m.
  • McKale Center, 1721 E. Enke Dr., Tucson, AZ
  • All ages


Reader poll

If you were Bill Self, who would you have guard Arizona's Chase Budinger?

  • Travis Releford 15% 13 votes
  • Brady Morningstar 40% 33 votes
  • Marcus Morris 10% 9 votes
  • Markieff Morris 3% 3 votes
  • Tyshawn Taylor 20% 17 votes
  • Tyrel Reed 3% 3 votes
  • I'd play a zone 4% 4 votes

82 total votes.

GameDay Cram Session: Arizona online editor Jesse Newell & Journal-World sports editor Tom Keegan take a look at what to expect from the Jayhawk men's basketball team's game against Arizona in Tucson.

Kansas scoring

Collins 16, Marcus Morris 12, Aldrich 10, Taylor 9, Morningstar 8, Markieff Morris 7, Reed 3, Releford 2.

UA 84/KU 67 — FINAL

Two free throws from Aldrich, but KU once again can’t get an defensive rebound. The Wildcats burn a full minute off the clock.

With 1:04 left, Collins goes to the bench, mouthpiece hanging halfway outside his mouth.

Horne gets a slam on a follow with 9.7 seconds left to wrap up Arizona’s dominant second-half performance.

UA 81/KU 64 — 3:15 left in game

Collins penetrates into the lane, then gets a jumper to fall.

KU has no answer for Hill on the other end, though, as he gets another offensive rebound and stickback for two.

Aldrich hits one free throw after getting bumped by Budinger.

Hill gets two more inside over a sleeping Aldrich. Aldrich gets his two back on the other end on a lob from Taylor.

Budinger gets a bailout call on an out-of-control drive, then hits both of his free throws. Marcus Morris follows with a layup, but KU can’t afford to trade baskets.

UA 69/KU 57 — 7:53 left in game

Wise gets Collins in the air and gets the officials to blow the whistle. Wise makes both free throws.

KU earns its two, as Markieff Morris hits a cutting Releford for a finger roll.

Horne gets fouled, and he makes a free throw. KU can’t foul if it wants to get back in this one.

Taylor gets two free throws after getting hacked on his way to the hoop.

Two more free throws for Fogg after an offensive rebound. He makes both.

UA 64/KU 53 — 9:30 left in game

Arizona’s getting all the bounces. After two more free throws (KU has nine fouls to UA’s three as of now), Wise tries a crossover dribble that hits off Collins and comes right back to him. He lays it in for two, and Self calls his final timeout.

Collins swishes a three from the top to stop a KU scoring drought.

UA 59/KU 50 — 11:05 left in game

Following a travel by Collins, Kyle Fogg puts in a two with a foul. He misses the free throw, but Arizona gets the ball out of bounds.

Hill gets away with a charge and puts in a two to put the Wildcats up two. Self is furious, and he finally calls timeout to step on the court and chew one of the officials. He needs to be careful, as he’s walking a thin line once again.

After a KU miss, Markieff Morris gets a phantom call while playing D on Hill. The UA big man hits one of two free throws.

Morningstar misses an easy two after getting an offensive rebound. Later, Collins forces up a three from the corner that misses. KU looks like a team sped up out there.

KU gets beat deep after pressing, and Taylor fouls Wise on the way up for a shot. Wise hits both, and the Wildcats are on a 7-0 run.

Reed throws the ball away, and Fogg gets two and a foul (even though Taylor ran right by him and didn’t even touch him). The Jayhawks and the officials are both getting overwhelmed by the crowd right now. Fogg hits the free throw.

KU gets the ball inside, and Aldrich is fouled by Hill on his way up. Aldrich makes one freebie.

Hill gets two more inside after getting an offensive board.

Collins goes under the basket, but Budinger slams down a one-handed dunk in transition for his first points. Add another questionable foul call, and he’ll be shooting a free throw after the break.

KU 47/UA 45 — 15:23 left in game

Horne gets a tip-in, but Collins quiets the crowd with a three from the wing.

Hill puts in a jumper. He’s 7-for-17 from the floor.

At the media timeout, Markieff walks to the bench grabbing the back of his left leg. Looks like it could be leg cramps.

KU 44/UA 41 — 16:45 left in game

Lob play to start the second half, and Aldrich slams home a low throw from Collins. KU’s probably had as many lobs tonight as it’s had in the other 10 games combined.

Collins gets a three from the wing, then follows a steal. After missing the fast-break layup, Taylor gets fouled on the follow, but only makes one of two free throws. Still, it’s a 6-0 run for the Jayhawks to start the half.

Kyle Fogg gets loose underneath for an easy two on an inbounds play to stop the spurt.

Morningstar misses a three, and Hill throws down a slam in transition. Timeout KU, as UA has put in six straight points.

Kansas scoring

Marcus Morris 10, Morningstar 8, Markieff Morris 7, Taylor 6, Collins 3, Reed 3, Aldrich 1.

KU was 13-for-30 (43 percent), while UA was 14-for-32 (44 percent). KU made 6 of 13 threes (46 percent), while the Wildcats went 2-for-7 (29 percent) from deep.

Arizona’s Chase Budinger was held scoreless in the first half on 0-for-4 shooting.

Some thoughts:

• KU has passed the ball better tonight than it has all year. The Jayhawks have gotten the ball inside at will and gotten some great looks for both the Morrises. Somehow, Aldrich hasn’t been able to benefit from this.

• Speaking of the twins, who put springs in their sneakers tonight? They’ve been talking for a while about getting their legs under them, but they look like different players tonight. They’ve been playing above the rim, trying to dunk anything they can get their hands on. The other benefit is, when they’ve tried to dunk it, they’ve also created a number of foul calls simply by going up strong.

• You’ve got to hand it to Morningstar: this makes two straight games where he has frustrated a future NBA player on defense. Even without Mario Little, KU has found someone that can defend the other team’s small forward, no matter how tall he is.

• Collins has three points, Aldrich has one and Budinger has none. I would guess the first player to get going in the second half will most likely lead his team to a win.

KU 38/UA 35 — Halftime

KU slices the zone once again, and Morningstar hits his second three. He’s leading Budinger in scoring, 8-0, for those of you keeping track at home.

Nic Wise drives all the way to the basket for two, and Self calls timeout. KU has played well but is only up 34-33. Collins has just three points, while Aldrich has none at this point.

Out of the break, KU puts together a pair of crisp passes to get Aldrich a look inside. He gets fouled and makes the second of two free throws.

Collins forces up a long, long three with plenty of time left in the shot clock, and it barely draws iron. Hill gets two in transition to tie it at 35.

KU once again works the ball inside, and Markieff gets fouled as he explodes up for a dunk attempt. He makes one of two free throws.

Following a steal, Marcus Morris tries his own dunk inside, and he’s fouled. He makes both free throws.

Taylor is bumped with just 2.6 seconds left, but he misses the front end of a one-and-one. KU takes a three-point lead into half.

KU 31/UA 28 — 3:49 left in 1st half

Marcus Morris hits a pair of free throws, and after a Hill airball, KU takes over because of a shot-clock violation.

Collins drains a three from the side, holding his follow-through in the air for a few seconds.

KU has had some trouble on the defensive boards early, and Horne gets two more on a stickback.

Marcus continues his best game as a Jayhawk, though, grabbing a Morningstar miss before putting it back in for two. Timeout UA, as KU leads 29-21.

KU has executed well against Arizona’s zone tonight, as Morningstar gets a nice pass and swishes a 10-foot jumper.

KU 22/UA 19 — 7:52 left in 1st half

Taylor gets a steal, and Markieff Morris shoots in a mid-range jumper on the other end.

Brady Morningstar follows with a rhythm three, and KU looks settled down after the timeout.

Alex Jacobsen brings some energy back to the gym, following a missed three with a slam off the rebound.

Aldrich makes a nice pass to the outside to an open Tyrel Reed, who drains the trey from the corner.

The Morris twins have their legs under them today, as Markieff got way up to put home a slam off a lob pass from Collins. Markieff has six points and Marcus has four in the earlygoing.

UA 13/KU 12 — 11:58 left in 1st half

After an offensive rebound, Horne puts in a two for Arizona.

Taylor forces a baseline floater that misses, and the Jayhawks have gone cold since starting 4-for-4.

KU 12/UA 11 — 13:03 left in 1st half

Jordan Hill makes a statement early, giving a pump-fake before putting in a one-handed slam past Cole Aldrich.

Markieff Morris responds immediately, getting his own dunk after getting a lob pass inside.

After an early foul by Cole Aldrich, KU coach Bill Self immediately went to his bench to bring in Marcus Morris for Aldrich.

Following an Arizona jumper, Marcus Morris picked up an easy layup in transition to tie the score.

Tyshawn Taylor hits a three from the side, and Markieff hits Marcus inside for KU’s third easy basket.

Taylor hits a three from the other corner, and KU’s lighting up the nets early.

Jamelle Horne follows with back-to-back jumpers — a two and a three — to put the Wildcats back in it. Hill adds an open jumper, and it’s a 7-0 run for UA.

9:32 p.m.

So the Arizona band read newspapers while KU was being introduced. The only difference was, the band members didn’t shake the papers. They really did stand there and read them.

The lights were all turned out for the introduction video — one that showed highlights of the 1997 national championship game. Might have brought back some sad postseason memories for KU fans.

9:22 p.m.

Some quick notes about Arizona before we get going:

• Arizona is 5-0 when it has fewer turnovers than its opponent. The Wildcats are 2-3 when they have more turnovers.

• Chase Budinger is 19-for-27 (70 percent) from three-point range in his last eight games.

• Arizona is 43-1 all-time in the Fiesta Bowl Classic.

• Arizona has made 50.4 percent of its field goals this year.

• The Wildcats, as a team, are making 46 percent of their three-point tries.

9:08 p.m.

The Jayhawks just came out in their blue warm-ups, and a pretty good cheer followed. Looks like KU fans have traveled well to this one.

Also of note, Arizona has a ball boy with Sherron Collins' old haircut. Not only does the boy have a mohawk, he also has some shape shaved in the left side of his head, though I can't decipher what it is. Looks to me like a cross between a tic-tac-toe board and a Christmas stocking.

9 p.m.

I guess I expected something particular from Tucson, Ariz.

If you go to Colorado, you expect mountains. If you go to Florida, you expect beaches.

I came to Tucson, and I expected, well, a desert.

Sure enough, it rained all day today. And pretty hard, too.

And that’s my first impression of Arizona. That, and it being warm — I’ve worn short sleeves the last two days as the temperature has hovered in the 50s and 60s. That’s good news for all those Jayhawk fans coming down to Arizona for the Insight Bowl in a week.

The people in Tucson just don’t know how good they have it. We saw a couple of people huddled up, shivering outside the Waffle House this morning.

We just laughed. It didn’t seem cold to us at all.

As far as the McKale Center goes, it has some touches that make it feel like Allen Fieldhouse. It has an older feel to it, and the tunnel surrounding the gym — with old-style white pipes hanging from the ceiling — gives it a retro feel. The individual seats here, though, make me appreciate the Fieldhouse’s bench seating.

8:33 p.m.

Welcome back to The Newell Post Live, coming to you live from the McKale Center in Tucson, Ariz., where the Kansas Jayhawks are getting set to take on the Arizona Wildcats.

This is a tough game to predict. The young Jayhawks haven’t played on the road yet, so it’s difficult to know how they’ll handle it. Also, the Wildcats have been inconsistent, with the last two games serving as perfect examples. On Dec. 14, they beat No. 4 Gonzaga, 69-64. Six days later, they lost to unranked UNLV by 15. Which team will show up tonight?

KU also doesn’t have a perfect fit defensively to match up with 6-foot-7 Chase Budinger, so can Brady Morningstar do the job after limiting Temple’s Dionte Christmas? How about Travis Releford? How about putting one of the Morris twins on him?

On offense, KU looks to have the advantage on the perimeter. Can Tyshawn Taylor and Sherron Collins take advantage? How will Cole Aldrich match up with 6-10 Jordan Hill (18.5 points per game, 11.9 rebounds per game) inside?

Should be a fun game to watch, as we'll learn quite a bit about both teams tonight.


Brian Powell 13 years, 11 months ago

Any place to watch the game online? Don't see it on espn360.. or

kmarti49 13 years, 11 months ago

bp..u got fox sports net? they are carrying the national broadcast

ARohrsAHawk 13 years, 11 months ago

It will be on justintv after the Gophers game,

Brian Powell 13 years, 11 months ago

kmarti - thanks for the response; just moved a month ago, only have 2 local channels :( No online options?

Brian Powell 13 years, 11 months ago

ARohrs, thanks - where's the Gopher's game? (which channel?) All I see are NBA games on

Brian Powell 13 years, 11 months ago

Thanks a ton AHawk :) enjoy the game, Beak'em Hawks!

rockchalkin54 13 years, 11 months ago

As much as I love hearing "defending national champions," the announcers use it WAY too much. They try to make way too big a deal about it especially since it's basically a new KU team.

Ben Kane 13 years, 11 months ago

some ugly shots in there but some great looks...

Ben Kane 13 years, 11 months ago

wish cole hadn't picked up a tacky...we need him in there!

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

I have no problem with calling us defending Nat'l Champions. That is exactly what we are and it goes for any sport. Not many back-to-back titles in any sport but let's milk the thing as long as we can!!

Eric Hammond 13 years, 11 months ago

The twins can't shoot the ball at all! As a big man, you need to hit those open 3-5 footers.

Ben Kane 13 years, 11 months ago

these announcers stink but we are defending National Champs! end of story.

Eric Hammond 13 years, 11 months ago

Atleast we know the twins can dunk! How about some more.

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

I think we see flashes of why Self recruited the twins. The bunnies have been a problem all year and those normally start to fall as the season progresses. I'm liking the start to this game since it's our first road test. Let's go Hawks!I can't wait to get to Tempe. It's gonna be warmer than here in Wichita.

Ben Kane 13 years, 11 months ago

i think brady's legs aren't all there right now, wonder if he's a bit winded.

RedRed 13 years, 11 months ago

The "twins" came to play ... awesome !

Eric Hammond 13 years, 11 months ago

The twins are very active today, I would like to see a little more blocking out though. We are giving up way to many offensive rebounds.

Ben Kane 13 years, 11 months ago

getting tired of the sherron floater from 10 ft

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

Can't believe I'm saying this but MORNINGSTAR is starting to impress me.

RedRed 13 years, 11 months ago

Morningstar is playing good 'D' on the Bud man.

Eric Hammond 13 years, 11 months ago

I would have to agree with you, Brady is really impressive so far tonight. He looks as though he took this challenge to heart, and has so far contained Chase. Very nic!

NH_JHawk 13 years, 11 months ago

was thinking the same thing pekka2sasha. Brady is becoming a baller!

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

I would love to see Bud and 'star in a 1-on-1 volleyball match. Morningstar looks like the kid from Nat'l Lampoon's Vacation. Classic.

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

Re: Morningstar. He is still pretty slow on D but he's a smart player. Basketball IQ can make up for some athleticism.

NH_JHawk 13 years, 11 months ago

pekka,man do I wish. After a severe ice storm and a massive power outage around here last week and then 2 back to back snow storms (20" in my yard) I'm wishing I was heading to Tempe. NH winters can be rough! You heading out?

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

Yep. I was planning on going so called a buddy of mine who lives in Phoenix. He called me back a day later with free VIP seats for the game and pre/post festivities from a friend that works at Insight. I wasn't counting on free ducats so that was a real plus. Have to drive because airfare is ridiculously high right now. Hope it warms up in your area. Ice storms are a nightmare.

RedRed 13 years, 11 months ago

Overall ... a pretty decent first half for K.U. !! Sherron hasn't hurt us ... not yet anyway !!K.U. 38 AZ 35

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

I agree cb32. I was worried about the baby Jayhawks but they have played pretty well and don't seem to be "rattled" by the less than spectacular crowd.

Jack Wilson 13 years, 11 months ago

Nice work Brady. Would like to see Aldrich assert himself. Like seeing the lobs.

NH_JHawk 13 years, 11 months ago

Have fun pekka. That's awesome that your buddy is hooking you up. I'm jealous. That drive is pretty awful though pretty much from the SG/KM county line all the way west to somewhere in New Mexico. Agree chuckberry32. Good half overall (esp. Brady and TT) and Cole was on the bench! If we keep up this intensity and get Cole involved then goodnight UA.

RedRed 13 years, 11 months ago

Texas 66 Wisconsin 64 with 3:40 left !!

Dale Kroening 13 years, 11 months ago

Not a bad half.Nice job on D Brady.Im starting to believe,but it needs to continue in the 2nd half.Looks like the twins are tired of people saying they cant or wont dunk.Hill has made Cole look bad,so hopefully he comes back with a chip on his shoulder in the second half,as we will need him.Lets go Jayhawks and finish em off!!!!!!!!!!!!!

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

Yeah. I've driven it before and it sure ain't exciting. A long distance drive should be a good remedy for relieving some of the stress over the last year. Flying never seems to do the job. Been a great year. I was in the SI shot on Chalmers' 3-pointer so it's sure easy to be a Jayhawk fan these days. Sure wish I could have made the Orange Bowl, though :-(

CaramelMacchMan 13 years, 11 months ago

Playing like a second round NCAA team right now.... two more road games like this and we are sweet sixteen big 12 and we are Elite Eight team... win big 12 and big 12 tourney we are Final four team. hahaha

Chris Shaw 13 years, 11 months ago

KU playing well! We've had some mental lapses! Cole needs to get in the game mentally.

Dale Kroening 13 years, 11 months ago

Forgot to say we need to BOX OUT! Too many easy offensive rebounds for Zona with our guys just standing around.Pick it up fellas!

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

kushaw- Cole is not doing much but I see that as a plus since other guys are doing fine. We need more guys involved so that Cole and Sherron can have an off night on occassion. Taylor still looks like he could score anytime he decides to do so but Self has scared him into being more of an assists guy!

Chris Shaw 13 years, 11 months ago

Good Texas/Wisconsin game. Texas frustrates the ever living crap out of me. They have so much talent! SOOOOO MUCH TALENT! They always have mental lapses and always play to the level of their opponent.

Chris Shaw 13 years, 11 months ago

Morningstar is playing Great. As much as he's running around on "D" chasing Buddinger, I'm surprised a little he's "Stroking" as well as he is. Great job so far. Keep it up!

NH_JHawk 13 years, 11 months ago

Pekka, "I was in the SI shot on Chalmers' 3-pointer"That's my desktop background. What a thrill for the little kid in the #15 KU jersey sitting on the right side of the basket just above some dude in a bright yellow shirt. Don't tell me that's you in the yellow shirt bro? Or are you the guy with your hands over your head? lol...

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

Nope. I was 11 rows up and would have to point out the picture since it's less pixilated than I would have liked. SI wants $285 for an 11" x 14" color photo that is clearer but that's not in my budget.I'm the caveman-dude!! Just kidding.

Chris Shaw 13 years, 11 months ago

Looks like Texas is going to win! have to hit a free throw though

Chris Shaw 13 years, 11 months ago

I hope Kansas can pull off this win so the Big 12 can wrap the Challenge between the Pac 10

RedRed 13 years, 11 months ago

Texas 74 Wisconsin 69 Final !! Played in Wisconsin ! Dickie V announcing. Go Big 12 !!

NH_JHawk 13 years, 11 months ago

never noticed the captain caveman till you just pointed that out. LMAO! classic...

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

Cole is sleepwalking on D. Nice win for the B12 by Texas. I think the B10 is overrated in pretty much everything.

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

Jordan Hill is sick. Cole needs to step it up on him.

RedRed 13 years, 11 months ago

Settle down Team and attack their defense.

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

One more thing re: the SI shot. Check out the Memphis guy in the bandana. He was talking smack to a well dressed KU fan (dockers and a button-up Polo) and the guy kept asking him to shut his mouth. He continued to talk smack and the KU guy finally punched him right in the face! Afterwards the Memphis guy apologized to him!!

KGphoto 13 years, 11 months ago

I post not.this post is absolutely pathetic.As I said before. Contain Hill. The rest will take care of itself.Out.

Ben Kane 13 years, 11 months ago

What is up with Cole? He looks pathetic out there. I say sit him for awhile and roll with the twins.

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

Wow. What a disastrous couple of minutes. Let's get going Hawks!

NH_JHawk 13 years, 11 months ago

we gotta settle down. sloppy play right now and still missing the bunnies.Self was irate that the refs didn't call a foul when Mk Morris hit the deck.

Theutus 13 years, 11 months ago

damn we played pretty decent in the first half, what the hell is wrong with us in the second.... It's like we don't even know the meaning of an "entry pass".

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

Zona was over the back a couple of different times with no call.

RedRed 13 years, 11 months ago

There is that Sherro floater again !!

Ben Kane 13 years, 11 months ago

sherron more harm or good? you decide...

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

Sherron is the most important piece to this team. He just needs to let the game come to him and stop trying to do it by himself. He'll get it figured out and this team has a limited celing until he does.

NH_JHawk 13 years, 11 months ago

sherron had TT wide open on that drive. more harm than good on that play cb32. but overall we need sherron b/c we're not the same team w/o him.yup. hill over the back (again).

Theutus 13 years, 11 months ago

I'm sorry Chuck, but i'm a lot more comfortable with Sherron on the bench. He's a turnover machine. For every flashy play he makes work, he's got 3 or 4 terrible shots or turnovers.On that note, why does it look like we're just confused on offense? We look like a highschool basketball team, just kicking the ball around and looking at each other waiting until someone tries to go 1 on 1 with someone. It's pathetic.

Ben Kane 13 years, 11 months ago

he's always forced things. last year it was a refreshing breadth for a spell because no one else could get to lane like him. now, it's just too much.

Ben Kane 13 years, 11 months ago

time to bench sherron...make a statement!!! hopefully we can use this game as a wake-up call

RedRed 13 years, 11 months ago

The Morris twins should realize by now that they are NOT playing a high-school team.

jayloco 13 years, 11 months ago

I think you all are being a little tough on Collins. Without him, what do we have? Here we go, they are falling apart. Had to say I thought this might happen on their first road trip. I just think without Collins, they aren't much of a team. I agree that I think he will settle down once he gains more trust in the freshman. I'd like to see them fight back as UA has done all night, win or lose

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

Our D is not playing well so we have no easy transition baskets.

Theutus 13 years, 11 months ago

This is going to be one hell of a long and aggravating season. I've yet to see us play like we even belong in the top half of the Big 12.

jayloco 13 years, 11 months ago

Yep, Aldrich needs to start stepping up too. 20-3 run? wow...

Ben Kane 13 years, 11 months ago

i'm not saying the roof is falling at all. I just see sheron forcing everything right now and cole playing like a monkey. we seem to be trying to get it all back in one shot. Long term i'm not worried at all. we will get better and better as the season goes on and if you look at my posts earlier in the year i predicted we would lose 5 noncon games but still vie for the big 12 champs.

RedRed 13 years, 11 months ago

I don't disagree ... Sherron is needed but he should play his own game and let it come to him. When he starts forcing things is when he is not at his best.

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

jayloco- If people are jumping ship on this team because of their first road game then they need their head(s) examined. This is a rebuilding process and it doesn't happen overnite. Taylor needs to be more of a scorer until our inside game gets going.

jayloco 13 years, 11 months ago

Aldirch needs to throw that stuff. Don't allow yourself to get dunked on like that Cole! That Hill guy for UA is getting away with murder. I see what you are saying Pekka..

Theutus 13 years, 11 months ago

I don't think we're being tough on Collins at all... He's the senior man on the court, he should know better than to play like he's in someones backyard court throwing up garbage. He's got plenty of experience to where he has no excuse, and "not trusting the freshman" is a terrible excuse at that. Our freshman PG's are playing better ball than him.... He can be a team cheerleader from the bench until he gets his head straight.

Ben Kane 13 years, 11 months ago

love to see us make a run at this, win or lose it will be a big help in the long run. TT, twins, i'm counting on you!

jayloco 13 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, people have to be realistic. Everyone belly-ached with Chalmers, Wright, Rush, etc. in their first year as well. There is a big learning curve and I have to believe in Coach Self that he will have our boys ready come conference time. I would just like to see us claw our way back and not let this this get ugly.

NH_JHawk 13 years, 11 months ago

somebody PLEASE block someone out and get a freakin rebound. another 2 shot foul and they're hot from the line.

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

Ah. The days of Jeff Hawkins playing guard on a regular basis. Sweet memories because they eventually led to an NCAA Championship.

Theutus 13 years, 11 months ago

I would like to see Self tell Releford to take over on offense and get stuff done. He looks hesitant because of his limited playing time, almost like he doesn't want to risk screwing something up.... Right now nobody else is producing, I'd like to see him unleash and go for broke.

jayloco 13 years, 11 months ago

Theutus- I respectfully disagree. I see a guy that doesn't really see another sure scoring option at this point of the season and he is trying to make things happen. You see the glass half empty, I see it as half full. Collins is not playing well, but to say we need to send a "statement" and have him be a cheerleader is not going to work in my opinion

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

I don't see Releford as a key cog on this team. I hope you are right, Theutus.

PAhawkfan15 13 years, 11 months ago

fouls are killing us, cole needs to step it up too he's better than that. its gonna be a long season fellas

jayloco 13 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, I like Relaford because he is from the KC area, but I see him more as a role player than a key player on this team.

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

It will be long season for those with warped expectations. It will be a fun season for those that are willing to go through some ups and downs in order to be good at the end.

jayloco 13 years, 11 months ago

Don't worry folks. First big road trip and even though U of A isn't what they have been, they are solid at home. I am more disappointed in the fact that we have been outscored by 23 since being up 9 early. They can't miss and everything is going their way. Lick your wounds and head back to Lawrence fellas.

jayloco 13 years, 11 months ago

I agree Pekka, people need to remember what the championship team was in year 1 of their progress. I remember losing some early games to Arkansas and someone else that bugged the heck out of me. What are realistic expectations? Am I being overly optimistic for a top 3 Big XII finish and at least 1 win in the NCAA tourney?

NH_JHawk 13 years, 11 months ago

Welcome, freshman, to college basketball on the road vs. quality opponent. The whole B12 schedule will be competitive like this (although I question Nebraska and ISU after both lost terrible games tonight) I guess a good beatdown was bound to happen sooner or later. It's never fun but it's part of the process.

Theutus 13 years, 11 months ago

I understand there are going to be some bumps along this road, but I honestly see no positives coming from this game. We just sucked tonight.

frompekka2sasha 13 years, 11 months ago

Not at all. A top 3 finish is what I believe will happen only because we are in the North.

thesquad 13 years, 11 months ago

unbelievable.aldrich has done nothing plus they are calling a foul on us every possession and AZ is making everything they shoot-- free throws, big guys shooting threes. and getting all the bounces it seems like

jayloco 13 years, 11 months ago

I don't jayhawkinati, I think there is a little bitterness in that statement. Tough night. Seems like U of A got to a point in the game where the MO just went way in their favor and they never looked back.

PAhawkfan15 13 years, 11 months ago

trust me im not giving up hope i didnt mean it like that. im not expecting another championship, but id like to see more effort. 29-6 runs are unacceptable in my book.

emein5 13 years, 11 months ago

take out Sherron. He needs to accept that he's a point guard, so he needs to run the offense and lead the team, not throw the ball away and continue to make stupid plays.

NH_JHawk 13 years, 11 months ago

Merry Christmas everyone! Looking forward to the rebound game vs. Albany on the 30th.

Theutus 13 years, 11 months ago

Collins with another terrible shot.... Why is he even shooting? He's not a high % shooter. His job should be to pass the damn ball.PAhawk i'm with you. Getting beat is one thing, but this is embarrassing. All the pacifists will make excuses "first road trip", "young team" etc. But this was just downright lazy ass playing, and sloppy basketball.I say next game Collins doesn't start. I do take back what I said earlier about no positives coming from this game... Morningstar really impressed me with his defense and effort. That kid should definitely be starting.

RedRed 13 years, 11 months ago

It is going to be a long ... long season !!! Merry Crhristmas ALL and to all a Good Night! I'll drink to that !!

fansincewilt 13 years, 11 months ago

Not a very good effort from the Hawks tonight. They are getting beat down the court, failing to block out, making very sloppy passes, not getting to the ball, and on and on. They are going to see a lot of zone until they figure out a way to break one. You can't expect calls on the other team's court. I can't remember a game when they got beat down the court so many times. Aldrich is playing his worse game this season. I guess you can't expect the freshmen to show up if the upperclassmen fail to. We have a long way to go. I think they have the talent but they are going to have to find some heart somewhere. Is Collins going to lead this team or do we need another? What's the deal with the AZ coach leaving his starters in until the buzzer?

HaiL2ThAjHaWkX 13 years, 11 months ago

that was painful to watch even if it was expected.

Brian Powell 13 years, 11 months ago

Lots of positives in first half.. and first few plays of 2nd half.. but what happened? Looked like we just lost the fire. I like how we came out and played with a little heart tonight, but it all fell apart real quick. Biggest part was not staying aggressive on O. I think we started settling for jumpers (miss, and we weren't rebounding) instead of using a little dribble penetration (finish at the basket, kick out, or draw foul).Did anyone else see at least 2 or 3 blatant over-the-backs that were not called against Hill at critical possessions :( all in 2nd half? Am I crazy for wishing Sherron was the 2-guard and someone like Reed was point?? I love Collins, but I think he's a scorer first (that's why I like him). You can still be a team leader from the 2-spot, just your role in the offense is different. I think it would suit him better.

Ed Fox 13 years, 11 months ago

Sherron is playing the 2 most of the game. Tyshawn has played more '1' during the season than just about anyone else. I think you're getting what you want.Tonight was obviously ugly. Hopefully Coach Self will have some insight that will help us understand the total collapse tonight. I think the effort was there, but something was missing in their focus, particularly Cole. I have to guess that Cole was still sick or still suffering from some effects of being sick last week. That or he's just not quite as far along as those first few games made us think and that got exposed tonight. Who knows.Either way, I think I'll avoid reading these posts more tonight - I can only imagine some of the asinine things that will be said here. Like the team, I'm going to take a Christmas break from this season and hope that the guys get their batteries recharged. Maybe this kind of loss, followed by a few days of reflection without practice or games, will get their heads straight, get them ready to practice the way Coach wants them to, and will prove to be a turning point towards consistent improvement from here on forward. We'll see. But, I'm still going to try to enjoy this season either way. KU still has the banner and the rings and a rough season this year wouldn't be surprising (ask Florida). Given the recruits coming in, the obvious talent the young guys have this year, and the potential recruits past next year, I think that we'll be just fine heading into the future. One bad season doesn't really say anything about the long-term viability of the program.

ROCKINnCHALKIN 13 years, 11 months ago

i honestly dont think that our offensive plans have been workin at all this season we need to coupe with what we got.....big body twins that are athletic and can knock down the trey....a star guard that likes to do it all, another freshman guard that is very similar and monster center that really shouldnt be shooting too far away from the basket....i aint no coach but seriously self you gotta realize that your lineup hasnt been workin out too well....yea tyrell and brady can hit the three but neither show hustle on either end of the court like releford does, play him ALOT more and limit the other 2, throw marcus at the 3 in place of brady and roll with that....whats the worst that could happen? self needs to whip out some new plays cuz it seems to me all we're doin is throwin the ball around the arc with not much organization going on....GET IT TOGETHER

kusayzone 13 years, 11 months ago

It is just a loss. Lose by one or a dozen. What we saw was the future, so when this team learns how to play a fully focused game, then expectations can be higher. Its early in the season. I predict Ty Taylor will be the point guard by the time the B12 season starts. KU played better without him. Sherron can play the 2 guard. Taking the ball to the basket when going 2 on 1 should win him a free ticket to bench time! Or the dribble down the court and NBA 3 pointer....I cant hardy watch his selfish play!I also noticed that Arizona kept the starters in until the very end. Apparently they have watched the National Championship game and how quickly the score can turn. It is both a sign of respect for KU and a sign of their own weakness to trust their ability to close out a game. We will get them next time.....

fansincewilt 13 years, 11 months ago

I think Self will get this team turned around in time for the league season. Fortunately, we are in the north this year. Maybe we will get an upset win over Texas at home. That might put us in the tourney.

railer1122 13 years, 11 months ago

I doubt there will be a next time. I heard us and Texas will switch opponents. Meaning we play UCLA and they play Arizona for 2 years. Payback against UCLA will hopefully be coming soon. Tough loss, but first true road game for 4 freshmen that played plenty of minutes.Cole was outplayed tonight.Twins showed up in the first half, lost their swagger in the second.Their pressure slowed us down, first half we were able to run but in the second half they set up their press to slow us down quite a bit.Sherron is doing fine, Self said he needs to shoot 18-20 times a game.Who at the beginning of the year thought Brady Morningstar would be our lockdown defender???? And be honest.And look on the bright side, Mizzou's run in the top 25 is long gone. HA

truejayhawker 13 years, 11 months ago

Cole was too slow for that game. He needs to learn how to not swat and he also needs some better post moves. Boxing out would be nice too

rockchalkjayhawk4ku11 13 years, 11 months ago

I agree railer1122I didn't see Brady coming this far defensively. I would really like to see Sherron play under control once we start getting down. I don't even want to talk about Cole this game, let's just hope he plays better on the 30th. Congrats to Brady for sticking with Budinger, I was so impressed with his defense. Have the refs ever heard of an over the back call??????

rockchalkin54 13 years, 11 months ago

Don't give up on this season yet! There's still a lot of ball to be played. Who knows what will happen the rest of the season?

Kevin Pavey 13 years, 11 months ago

Disappointing. This was a winnable game. This is a very average UofA team (their win over an overranked Gonzaga team notwithstanding). Yes, Hill and Chase will get paid next year but UofA didn't get 3 other highly ranked recruits who initially committed (Jennings, Whitey, and I forget the other who transferred after Lute retired).We shredded Syracuse's zone but not tonite against UofA's zone.The twins need to bring it every nite. I guess I'm suffering from the expectation gap - I expected so much more from them offensively. 7 and 12 pts aren't bad for freshmen but on a nite when Aldrich is mailing it in we need more from them in pts and in positioning for rebounding.And Cole? 10/4 isn't going to cut it. Jordan Hill will be a highly paid NBA player in not too long but many have said the same about Aldrich. He was the biggest disappointment tonite. I hope there's an he's sick or something. If this is a show of what's to come, Blake Griffin and Damion James will own him come conference play.UofA's Horne averages 7 pts/game and tonite he had 19. We need a guy like that to step up when it matters and give us some unexpected pts/boards.Our biggest struggles tonite:1. rebounding (-11)2. stupid turnovers3. poor shot selection and FG% (~40%)I've never said a zebra cost us a game (except the 2xOT loss at Mizzou in '97) and tonite they didn't cost us the game - although they let Hill have his way w/ the over-the-back and no-call charging fouls.I'm not jumping off the ledge yet (I said this after Syracuse and Umass) and I have faith in Coach Self to address these issues but this loss, after such a competitive first half, is really disappointing.

rockchalkjayhawk4ku11 13 years, 11 months ago

frompekka2sasha- I liked reading your Royce Woolridge comment.

Bob Audley 13 years, 11 months ago

This is a good bunch of kids. They ran rings around U of A in the first half.They looked like a well oiled machine. They'll improve. Same thing againstSyracuze(sp).

Buck08 13 years, 11 months ago

Wow I know its too early to give up on this Kansas Basketball Team but WOW that was an ugly second half of basketball. This team is so inconsistent it is amazing! By far the hardest Kansas squad I have ever had to watch! Arizona is not a very good basketball team and Nic Wise is a frikn joke of a point guard and we still got man handled by twenty points. I can't remember the last time a Kansas Basketball Team got outscored by an opponent by twenty in one half ... EMBARRASSING! This team is not worth watching right now its only gonna stress me out more and that is the last thing I need.

100 13 years, 11 months ago

Obviously too bad we fell apart, but we're starting to see what Self expects of this group. When we play well, we keep our body language the same business like, hustle demeanor. When we lose our composure, even slightly, we tend to make mistakes. We just have to remain confident out there on the court, whether shots are made or not -- its just freshmen stuff that other programs take 4 years to fix. Self will have these guys shaped up quickly. And as we know from last years team -- it all comes down to sticky D, minimal sloppy turnovers and rebounding. Everything revolves around those 3 things. If you have these 3 things, you have swagger for 40 minutes. Our guys don't quite get that -- they get it for 29 minutes, just not all 40... yet.Once they get those simple facts drilled into their heads, they won't lose a game like this to an inferior opponent. Defense + Rebounding + Ball control = Championship(s)We had some really good stretches in this game. This was a game, if a couple things go differently after we got the 9 point lead to start the 2nd half, we would have stretched this lead to a 25 point victory. It's all about staying true to simple principles and being in shape.A really big thing is that we don't all have our collegiate track legs yet. We still look like we're in high school wrestling shape (not the heavy weight classes either). That won't last long thankfully. And though it doesn't seem like it after losing in such an embarassing way, we are starting to understand key possessions, even if slowly -- the most simple of these is not throwing sloppy (soft) passes. This problem will be fixed shortly. That drives Self crazy. Roy, on the other hand, just let that happen on occasion and we lost a couple important games because he didn't stress that enough in practice. Self will drill this point home. Sloppy ball handling is just like giving the other team free points and essentially gives the other team a victory. 4 sloppy passes turned this game on a dime.The legs will take a few more weeks. The bigs will only get better -- some of their stuff in the first half was great. We're going to compete all year, and get better by the day, we've just need to learn from this one. "A true man might wake up tired, but he looks forward to practice and gets better and makes his team great." Luckily those are the kind of guys Self recruits. Rock Chalk

FlaHawk 13 years, 11 months ago

You could of expect the frosh to fold like a cheap deck of cars, but I was more worried about Cole and Sherron. They were never in the game. Good job on Buddinger our the rout would have started in firdt half rather than with 15 minutes left in second half. Terrible last 15 minutes.;.

ecoastbias 13 years, 11 months ago

Just dropping in after watching that UA/KU game. Pretty amusing how KU fans make themselves feel better by calling out AZ as "average" and "not very good". Where does that leave KU after this pounding? Don't tear yourselves down!One good, close half does not a win make.Being up by 3 at the half does not constitute "running circles" around your opponent. AZ played KU close in the 1st and ran away with it in the second. KU will have ups and downs this year but will be a contender next year.

Tony Bandle 13 years, 11 months ago

Everybody....get used to it. This is going to occur over and over again thruout the year. Not on a consistent basis but there will be nights when the youth will be served and our lunch will be served back to us. This trend will be part of the maturation process and, quite frankly, if Little does redshirt, it will be even more pronounced. I am confident, unfortunately, that this team will end up with double digit losses and struggle to make the NCAA. Look at Memphis..they loss less than we did and they are hurting as well.Also, remember, we have the NCAA Champ target on our back and our opponents could care less we are a different team. Everyone wants to beat us. Just understand what this year is going to be, keep the faith a watch out for next year....revenge will be sweet.

Kman_blue 13 years, 11 months ago

I more or less agree, this team is young and it shows. But what kind of gets to me, is I don't see any heart out there. I don't see any clear leaders. The team seems lost and just wondering around many times. Quite frankly I don't see a lot of talent out on the court on a consistent basis either, with the exception of Taylor. Cole looked sick out there tonight. I'm not sure if anything is really wrong or not, or he was just having an off night like the rest of the team or not. Smaller guys were pushing him around and jumping over him all night long. He's still young too, and it's possible this was just an off night part of his maturation too. Reed and Morningstar are good with the outside shots, but they are a non-existent threat to drive the lane. Whenever they do, they're always looking to pass, even when the defense gives them a clear path all the way to the goal. That makes them a bit too one dimensional. Then again they're both young too and I'm sure they'll continue to learn and improve. It's still very early in the season, but this team just looks bad to me right now. I know I'm being a bit harsh, because I'm a Jayhawk fan and we expect great things out of our teams, no matter how young and inexperienced they are. But I still think this team needs to find some heart and fire and leadership. Maybe when they become more comfortable with the offense and defenses coach Self has them running it'll allow them to become much more aggressive. Perhaps that will also allow some of them to flash more of their potential talent than what we've seen so far. It's going to be a long season and hopefully the team grows and improves dramatically, especially when we're in the middle of the conference season. That seems to be when a lot of freshman start to come into their own and I hope that happens for us too. I also agree that we will have double digit losses this year and struggle to get into the NCAA tournament, unless this team starts to put things together at some time. It's disappointing and very frustrating to watch, but I'm still hopeful we'll mature into the kind of team we all hope for.Rock Chalk Jayhawk

Lin Rahardja 13 years, 11 months ago

They grabbed more rebounds. What happened to Cole, he looked sluggish out there.

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