Saturday, November 3, 2007

Kansas fourth in AP poll


Freshmen debut at Allen Fieldhouse

Thursday marked the debut of three Kansas freshmen at Allen Fieldhouse. The Hawks ripped Pittsburg State 94-59 in their exhibition opener.

The country's coaches and writers are in agreement: North Carolina is the preseason No. 1 team in the country, followed by UCLA, Memphis and Kansas University.

The Associated Press released its rankings a week after the coaches, awarding KU a top-10 ranking for the sixth time in the last seven seasons.

"Preseason polls are nice to be in, but you have to prove it on the court," Kansas head coach Bill Self said Friday. "The voters obviously see that we have a lot of talent with our five seniors and core players back from last season's team, but we have a lot of work to do to live up to that ranking."

KU, which thumped Pittsburg State, 94-59, in its exhibition opener Thursday, returns four of five starters and 13 of 14 letterwinners from last season's 33-5 team which won the Big 12 regular and postseason championships and advanced to the NCAA Tournament Elite Eight.

KU has been ranked in the top 10 of the AP Preseason poll 17 times since the 1985-86 season. KU was unranked in 2005-06 and No. 11 in '99-2000. The Jayhawks were No. 1 in the 2004-05 poll. Last year, Kansas was ranked in the AP Top 10 for 16 weeks and ended the year No. 2, the same spot the Jayhawks opened the season.

North Carolina received 29 first place votes, UCLA 24 and Memphis 18. Joining KU from the Big 12 in the rankings: Texas at No. 15, Texas A&M; at 16 and Kansas State at 25.

The last time Kansas State was ranked was No. 23 for one week in February 1993.

"For a program like us, with incredible tradition and success, being ranked again is always a great thing, and it reflects the hard work of the players and that they are getting noticed by people out there," first-year K-State coach Frank Martin told the AP. "Will it have an influence on how we play or how good we are? Probably not.

"But it is an honor to have a program not ranked for 14 years to all of sudden by there again."

Martin doesn't seemed concerned that the attention will hurt his inexperienced team.

"With technology these days, when you're a good player, you can't hide. There's no such thing as hiding under the radar anymore," he said. "The days of people being unknown goes out the window because of how much attention kids get these days. These kids are exposed to the public early, and they embrace it and don't run away from it."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


okjhok 14 years, 8 months ago

Martin comes out with the first of what I'm sure will be plenty of bonehead comments: "For a program like us, with incredible tradition and success, being ranked again is always a great thing, and it reflects the hard work of the players and that they are getting noticed by people out there."
Ummm, since the 'Cats haven't been ranked for 14 YEARS, what tradition and success are you speaking of? I realize there have been high points along the road, but seriously. What's more, you claim the current ranking is a reflection of the players hard work. Okay, maybe in high school, 'cause Beasley and Walker have yet to play a game together. Look, I realize this is your first year, you coach in Manhattan, and you coached for years under Huggy Bear, so you're prone to say idiot things. But, come on, you just fed a horrible, disgusting lie to the public. Now go back to practice, and get ready for the only game that matters to your program.

milehighhawk 14 years, 8 months ago

the agreed-upon convention in journalism in kansas is to use "kansas university" even though the name is actually "univ of kansas"

I'm not saying it makes sense, but it is technically correct.

jayharchitect 14 years, 8 months ago

A journalism guy explained that too me. Because they send out their stuff in AP, and people are stupid, the average person will read Kansas University and pair it with what we are more known as: KU. It is just to make it easier for people across the country to understand who we are.

speedy 14 years, 8 months ago

KU equals kan. univ. UK equals kentucky.

jaybate 14 years, 8 months ago

If the LJW can accomodate Native Americans by not calling them Indians, which Native Americans reputedly prefer not to be called, and African Americans by not calling them Blacks, which African Americans reputedy prefer not to be called, I don't see why the LJW cannot accomodate the University of Kansas by not calling it Kansas University, which it prefers not to be called.

Doe the LJW insist on Texas University? Or Missouri University? Of course not. This refusal to call something, or someone, by its chosen name usually traces to a put-down of some sort.

I choose not to speculate on what lurks in the hearts of the ownership of the LJW. Who can ever know?

But I would like to focus this issue by looking something that the owners of the LJW have made explicit for us to consider: the name of their paper.

The owners of the LJW apparently have a legacy problem of coherent naming, because the name of the newspaper, itself, is nonsensical. What exactly does the noun-stacking of Journal and World mean? How exactly can the noun "journal" meaningfully World? The world is journal-like? I don't think so. Now, there could be a journal of the world; that would make sense. Lawrence's Journal of the World. I can comprehend that. But what kind of noun-stacked nonsense is Lawrence Journal World? It is like saying Lawrence Street Building, or Lawrence Lawrence Factory Hotel. It is just three nouns stacked together signifying nothing. How about Journal Lawrence World?

Now I don't respond to the incoherent naming of the Lawrence Journal World by stubbornly insisting on calling it the Lawrence Journal of the World. I'm a decent sort. I know the owners of the World Corporation, the parent of the Lawrence Journal World, have spent significant bucks on product branding, so they can make more money peddling newspapers and web site clicks for ad revenues. I don't ridiculously insist on calling the Lawrence Journal World something it doesn't prefer to be called. I'll help it make its money with its preferred, albeit stupid name--The Lawrence Journal World. I can cut the LJW some slack and rationalize that it was once two papers. I can say they did it to communicate that they were a fusion of the two papers, whether or not such is actually the case. Why can't they call my alma mater by its preferred name, too?

tdub 14 years, 8 months ago

Your killin me jaybate! Well said! With regards to head coach designate Frank Martin of the State University of Kansas, this will be the only successful year for that dismal program in the near future. Martin is piggybacking off of Huggy's recruits this season, and is already struggling to gain respectable recruits for 2008. Beasley and most likely Walker will be gone after each carrying their team with 20pts/gm this season, leaving the cupboard bare.

Tuskin 14 years, 8 months ago

As far as I can tell, the only reason to use the term "Kansas University" is that it takes fewer letters, less ink, and less time than being correct.

There's nothing technically correct, marginally correct, or accurate about Kansas University. The name is The University of Kansas, which is abbreviated KU.

An occasional "Kansas University" is fine, but the Jounal World should change its ridiculous policy of trying to impose its preferred name on another entity. It doesn't do this with other universities as noted earlier, and it doesn't do this with individuals (Bush George?) and it doesn't do this with governmental offices.

I've been reading the Journal World's diminuative name for KU for years now, and I've kept quite about it, but it has really gotten old. Journal World editors, please reverse course on this policy, or at least encourage writers to use both monikers.

Chris Weaver 14 years, 8 months ago

along those lines, please refer to Kansas State Universtiy as "Our Little Bitch" - or OLB so as not to offend dogs of the female persuasion.

CasperCorps 14 years, 8 months ago

Champions of the Nationals? or National Champions?.. I like just Champions.. Rockem Hawks........

ralsterKUMed95 14 years, 8 months ago

HAHA! "OLB"! I like it. Will get slapped again (twice) this usual. I have to agree with the strange and indefensible position of LJW of not referring to KU as the Univ. of KS. The best example of their failure is simply look how they refer to the University of Missouri and the University of Texas, but cannot call us by OUR name??? Especially after all the newsworthy stories given to them by KU.... What's up LJW--stuck in a rut you choose to call 'convention'? PLEASE!

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