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Originally published June 19, 2007 at 10:10p.m., updated June 20, 2007 at 12:33a.m.

Prep Releford picks Jayhawks

Roeland Park Miege guard chooses Kansas over several Big 12 rivals

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Travis Releford couldn't reach Kansas University basketball coach Bill Self by cell phone on Tuesday night.

Self was busy working at his basketball camp; Releford practicing with his Kansas City Pump N Run AAU team.

So Releford did the next best thing.

He left a voice message for Self informing KU's coach he'd decided to become a Jayhawk.

"I said, 'I'm coming to KU,'"Â Releford said Tuesday night.

Releford, a 6-foot-4 blue chip senior-to-be from Roeland Park Miege, on Tuesday orally committed to KU and became the first member of what will be a large Jayhawk recruiting class of 2008.

"It's where I need to be,"Â Releford said of KU, a school that won the recruiting battle over Missouri, Kansas State, Texas, Oklahoma and North Carolina. "They've always been there in the back of my mind. They were at my first practice my freshman year. It's been like that every year. They've always shown the most interest in me."

Releford - who averaged 19.6 points, 6.7 rebounds, 3.0 assists and 3.0 steals a game his junior season - made the decision to end a long recruiting process over the weekend while practicing with the Adidas Nations team in Portland, Ore.

At the camp, he spent some time with power forward Luke Babbitt, who on June 11 committed to Nevada. Hearing the relief in Babbit's voice got Releford to thinking how nice it'd be to end the recruiting ordeal.

"I think the process was wearing on him a bit. In Portland he had a chance to talk to some other players who had committed and decided that he wanted to end

his recruitment as well," said L.J. Goolsby, Releford's coach with Kansas City Pump N Run.

"I (always) thought KU had a good chance, (but) he also had a good relationship with the coaches from other schools. I think it's definitely a good start to the recruiting class.

"I know he was out there with DeAndre Liggins (6-5 guard Chicago's Washington High who is considering KU, Illinois, Kentucky and others), and I'm sure they talked a little bit about possibly playing together."

Releford realizes KU will need to replace five seniors as well as any players who decide to turn pro.

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Travis Releford, playing for Kansas City Pump N Run, drives to the basket during an AAU tournament last year in Shawnee. Releford, who will be a senior at Roeland Park Miege this fall, committed to Kansas University on Tuesday.

He wasn't thinking about his early commitment kick-starting recruiting Tuesday, however.

"It's true, but I'm not looking at it like that," Releford said. "I just wanted to commit for myself. I'm sure we'll get other good players as well.

"Right now it feels good. I don't have to worry about talking to a lot of coaches, getting texts from other coaches. I'm excited about going to KU."

In Releford, KU gets a scorer known for his ability to drive as well as hit the open jumper. He's regarded as a good passer and somebody who, because of his

ability to slide his feet, is a strong defender as well.

"I will try to do it all," Releford said. "Defend, score, rebound."

Goolsby believes that will happen.

"They (Jayhawks) are getting a winner,"Â Goolsby said. "He's a kid who loves to win. He plays hard. He's an all-around player, defensive, offensive. He's a good fit for KU."

ÂHis decision will please his mom, Venita, who has told recruiting writers that KU is where she'd like her son to go.

"She's happy about it. She'll be able to come to all the games,"Â said Releford. "I have a good relationship with the coaches, and she does as well. That's important to both of us."

Another set of individuals will be happy. That's KU's fans, always ready for good news in recruiting, especially when the roster needs major re-stocking.

"It'll be really exciting. Probably a whole lot of KU fans will come to our games next season," Releford said.

Notes: Releford averaged a tournament-high 22.3 points in last spring's Class 5A state tournament in which Miege placed third. ... Releford, who started his high school career at KC Central, had 27 points off 12-of-15 shooting in the third place game, a 78-53 win over Wichita Kapaun ... Releford is No. 66 rated player nationally by Rivals.com. He is No. 25 rated player by Scout.com.

Comments

Chris McIlvain 15 years, 1 month ago

Unlike Roy who took years off but has a National Championship on his 3rd trip to the Championship Game? How many top 10 recruiting classes has Kansas had since we won it all in 1988 with Larry Brown and a 6th seeded team with only one true NBA player? And how many of those materialized into a National Championship? ZERO!!! Don't you people get tired of bestowing the virtues of a team that never lives up to it's potential when it counts? And for all of you who say Kansas does well in the regular season and post season conference tournaments...big deal. Teams like Kansas, 3rd winningest program in history, play a great regular season and conference post season for ONE REASON...to get to the Big Dance. Quit singing the praises of mediocrity

kcmostwanted 15 years, 1 month ago

APDJayhawk.. um how many times are you going to post that same message?? Okay i'm proud that you finally looked up some KU basketball history but a NC will eventually come.. You talk as if we don't care about a Nat. Championship but you must be living in Tiger land because everyone wants one...Lets face reality!! It's easier said than done.. Why don't you put on pair of Jordans (or Adidas) and take Brandon Rush's spot or put on a suit and coach for Self if you're so smart...We're all frustrated at the Jayhawks but keep the bit*hin to yourself..

And TRavis.. Welcome aboard!!! You made the right decision...

kujaydoc 15 years, 1 month ago

Sweet! Nice that we are continuing to keep the best Kansas talent.

DSommersby 15 years, 1 month ago

Great news! Welcome aboard Travis! Wishing you the best for your senior year at Miege and then on to a wonderful career as a Jayhawk!

Larry Smith 15 years, 1 month ago

Another great pickup by coach Self and the Kansas program. Personally, I don't really understand the nervousness from fans about the upcoming recruiting classes. Is there any doubt at all that this guy can recruit? Unlike Roy, he is not gonna take years off.

Don Everett 15 years, 1 month ago

Sorry, but this last comment should be towards APD, not ADP.

Don Everett 15 years, 1 month ago

ADP

Roy didn't win the NC at UNC with HIS players. He won with Dougherty's.

Also, when, as you you say, we won it all in 1988, how were you involved on the TEAM?

It takes a lot of talent and luck to win a NC. Get off everyone's back and be glad KU isn't at the level of a ksu or mu or if there is a thing.......worse!!!

Good luck Travis!!!!

Chris McIlvain 15 years, 1 month ago

Great retorts! "Why don't you lace up a pair and play?" "Why don't you coach the team?" Brilliant responses you two oxygen thieves. It's not my job, it's the guy making over $1,000,000 a year. It's his job to take a top 10 recruiting class and make them compete for the title year in and year out. Self's been here 4 years and we got knocked out in the first round 2 of the 4? Roy never got that NC at Kansas either. It's the curse of being a Jayhawk fan. Now, if you can't come up with anything better than, "why don't you try it", how about arguing some facts and make this a cerebral debate.

KEITHMILES05 15 years, 1 month ago

Listen people...........this story is about Travis Releford.

It is embarassing to see a bitching and moaning contest going on.

Give the kid his props. He deserves our support.

To reduce his committment to the program to a pissing match is disgusting and sad.

mojayhawk 15 years, 1 month ago

Welcome Travis! We can't wait to see you with what will be an outstanding class. Congratulations on having the maturity to nail down your commitment. Now you can enjoy your season and sit back and watch the new class fill up with other great players like yourself! It's GOOD to be a Jayhawk!

Chris McIlvain 15 years, 1 month ago

Yet another "fan" who can't see the big picture. It doesn't matter who or what the article is about. It all comes down to ONE THING...Kansas winning a National Championship. That's why there is an article being written about Releford...get it yet? They write, and guess and debate and forecast for the sole purpose of trying to figure out who will win it all this year.

TrueBlue92 15 years, 1 month ago

APD,

Enjoy your time as the spokesperson for the vocal minority of KU Basketball Fans. Your song is starting to fade out.

  • Roy left Coach Self with no senior class this past year
  • Roy tampered with Coach Self's players for at least one year after he left (check the tournament for how those years went).
  • Only four teams make the final four each year, so 16 slots since coach Self arrived. His first true class are now Juniors and one just left for the NBA. I think you will find each year recently that we were beaten by teams with experienced, talented seniors. Coach is almost there.
  • Where would we be if Julian had stayed? He didn't and we still have enough talent to compete. When did Roy lose a talented Senior class and follow it up with a great year?
  • Last year, this year, and from now on I believe we are title contenders again. Before last year was cleanup. And I don't miss the "Is your coach leaving for Carolina this year or next?" baloney/circus one tiny bit. Roy is where he belongs and so is Coach Self.
  • Roy would have lost Hinrich and Collison to Tim Floyd if he hadn't left Iowa State -- where would those teams have been without those two?
  • Roy lost recruit after recruit to Dook because of his inability to shake the Carolina alums. Coach Self picks who fits. It's a big difference. Huge. And important. And just happened again (see the article you didn't post about above).

Travis Releford lives, breathes, and thinks basketball 24/7 and he picked KU. That gives me great pride in what Coach Self has going on Mt. Oread.

As far as you and other like you, which is the vocal minority who think KU should win every game every year (and, therefore, national championship every year) otherwise fire the coach, I'm frankly tired of your creative attempts to paint the basketball program as anything else but successful. If you think it's so bad, I encourage you to become a fan of whoever won the national championship the previous year. Then go and gripe on their boards for the year. Maybe they will pay attention. You've lost mine.

TrueBlue92 15 years, 1 month ago

Now my real post:

Mr. Releford, welcome to KU.

By choosing you to wear the Crimson & Blue, Coach Self has noted that you have the skills to be an NBA player. The opportunity and confidence that Coach has in you is shared by the entire KU community. We all hope you take full advantage of the opportunities KU basketball will provide you.

We look forward to sitting down with our families and watching you play. Best of Luck and Rock Chalk, Rookiehawk!

ohjayhawk 15 years, 1 month ago

Very well said TrueBlue in your 6:53 post!

argentinehawk 15 years, 1 month ago

Welcome Mr. Releford!! And I do believe that Coach Self isn't done recruiting, by any means. With some many spots that we're going to have open in 08, I do believe that Self will stack the line up again. GO KU!!

Joshua Hann 15 years, 1 month ago

Great to see. He's an exciting player. And APD, if this team is so dissapointing to you, go cheer for some other team or out yourself. There are plenty of us who love them and will continue to cheer. Rock Chalk baby.

quigley 15 years, 1 month ago

APD-

I think everyone gets your point, and we are all uspset about our lack of a recent national championship. I think people would just like to enjoy one good article without you standing on your soapbox at the end. Thats all.

John Stowell 15 years, 1 month ago

This is great news. APD can be down all he wants, but I would rather have a team that is constantly in the running for the NC than a team that wins one and drops off the radar (does anyone fear Florida or Ohio State right now?). That requires Self to constantly bring in new talent every year, which he has done, and expose his players to tournament pressure, which he was able to do last year. This will be a team that will know what it takes to make a final four appearance, and will go as far as their talent takes them. This is the level of coaching we expected when we hire Self, and it will pay off.

jayloco 15 years, 1 month ago

APDJayhawk-jeez dude, you are a drag. The story is about a local KC kid committing to KU and the excitement that brings to many of the local KU fans. I for one, will definitely check him out at a Miege high school game this coming fall.

I think you are reading far too much into this article about Relaford man. The article is what it is, stating that Relaford has committed to the Hawks. I think you are digging a little deep if you think this article was written to justify or calculate KU's possibilities at winning an NC.

I only have ONE fact for you. I love Roy as much as the next supporter, but FACT, ROY did NOT win an NC with players he recruited! He should kiss Matt D.'s pinky ring for leaving him such great talent. Roy can't help but be a better recruiter now that he is at NC, but the facts are there to show that Roy took year's off when it came to recruiting at KU. Please get off Roy's nuts and off of the KU bandwagon if you are just going to cry and complain because we haven't won an NC since 88' man.

jayloco 15 years, 1 month ago

AN AMEN TO QUIGLEY AND TRUEBLUE 92. Hit the nail right on the head...

dbegert 15 years, 1 month ago

How many Pump-n-Runners do we have now? 4? I forget if Brady played with Conner, Tyler, and Travis. That's built-in chemistry though! Welcome Travis, and go KU!

APD, quick question: if KU wins it all this year, will you celebrate? You seem like the kind of person that would follow the National Championship article with a post about how we were losing all our players to the NBA and wouldn't be competitive next year. Chillax, man!

KU 15 years, 1 month ago

ADP--Never mind.......everything I was going to say has been posted already.

Joe Ross 15 years, 1 month ago

dbegert...

RE:

"APD, quick question: if KU wins it all this year, will you celebrate?"

GREAT QUESTION!!!!

Seth Peattie 15 years, 1 month ago

APDJayhawk. Please take your negative energy elsewhere. Thanks.

Clown.

PS: SUCK IT!

1865Hawk 15 years, 1 month ago

Thanks to APD I expect another column/blog suggesting that the majority of KU fans are spoiled and are freaking out about signing top 30 players.

Seth Peattie 15 years, 1 month ago

Raise your hand if you think APD is a clown!!!!

JayCeph 15 years, 1 month ago

I knew Releford would pick KU. It just didn't seem to fit any other way...

justanotherfan 15 years, 1 month ago

The nice thing about the Releford signing is that we have a wing guy now, something we will need since we are losing a lot of perimeter guys after this season (RussRob, Rod Stewart, Case, Rush most likely, maybe Sherron or Mario). It's especially good if Releford can guard small forwards and big guards... that is to be determined.

For now though, this is a good piece to the 08 class, along with Rotnei Clarke. Now we need some size.

cklarock 15 years, 1 month ago

A great signing by a class coach. It's good to be a Jayhawk!

Personally, my family, friends and I are going to have a great time watching Travis and the rest of the 'Hawks play, whether we win the NC or not.

It's not "all about the NC" -- that's an idiot's argument. It's about competing with class, and recruiting quality human beings to represent Kansas University.

digitalkookie 15 years, 1 month ago

lajayhawk...i am with you all the way!! apd is an absolute a$$ clown. to him, in your honor, i would like to offer up a big fat suck it!!!

that being said, welcome aboard mr releford...looking forward to seeing you in the crimson and blue!!! best of luck next year.

Jarrod Flaming 15 years, 1 month ago

Nice choice, Travis! I for one am looking forward to enjoying another year watching the Jayhawks win some great games of b-ball!! We'll be looking forward to the day you don a 'hawk jersey!

People - for once, can we just leave Roy out of the conversation?! Get over it already!! Sheesh! I for one am tired of the whiners hanging on to that already. How old news is it anyway!

Rock Chalk all the way, baby!!

actorman 15 years, 1 month ago

A few points about APD's comments:

  1. Believe me, I share your frustration. I don't know if there's a team in sports that has suffered as many heartbreaking defeats as KU. It is, unfortunately, the curse of being a Jayhawk fan.

  2. On the other hand, it is possible, as Roy said, to "enjoy the journey." Last year will go down as one of my all-time favorite KU teams, even though the 'Hawks didn't make the Final Four. It was an exhilarating experience going through the season with that team. I was at the UCLA game, and even though it was an extremely tough way to end the season, I stood and applauded the team as they left the floor, because of the season they had. Would you have done the same, or would you have booed them for "choking" against UCLA in what was almost a home game for the Bruins?

  3. Like it or not, there is a TREMENDOUS amount of luck involved in winning a title. The whole "survive and advance" thing comes down often to whether another team with upset on their minds makes a big shot or not. Fortunately for KU, Murray State couldn't make the big shot in '88, or it would have been just another second-round loss. There are a million examples of that kind of luck, such as Jimmy Valvano's "miracle" N.C. St. team barely escaping a game against Fullerton State in the first round, when the Titans had a six point lead with a minute to go in OT. Then of course there is the matter of the refs, who can have a huge effect on the game, such as the brutal "no call" in the Battle of New Orleans when Darnell Valentine was fouled with two seconds left against Wichita State and nothing was called. And of course the biggest luck factor of all is injuries. Who knows if KU could have beaten UCLA last year if Sherron had been 100%? And I am absolutely CONVINCED that KU would have beaten Arizona in '97 if Haas had been healthy. KU seems to always be beaten down by a big injury at the wrong time.

  4. Finally, as aggravating an experience as it has often been to watch KU in the postseason, that has NOTHING to do with what will happen in the future. So what good does it do to bitch and moan about KU having underachieved? All true KU fans have shared the pain over the years, but all true KU fans also have hope each season that it could be the year the 'Hawks finally break through. So yes, it's true, KU has won only two NCAA titles, and has lost five other championship games, three of them in devastating fashion. And it's true that KU has been in contention many other years, only to suffer a devastating defeat. What's the point of beating those facts into the ground. Let's just look at how tremendous last year was, how close they came, and how great an opportunity there is this year.

I'm thrilled that Self is continuing his recruiting brilliance, and I can't wait to see another great season of Jayhawk basketball.

Chris McIlvain 15 years, 1 month ago

Jayhawk86: your post PROVES my point. Florida, a school with limited success over the past 20 years has been to the N.C. game 3 times since Donovan took over and are REPEAT NATIONAL CHAMPIONS! It's not an either/or situation. No, I don't want a National Championship at Kansas if it means going to the NIT for consecutive years. What I want is for Kansas to capitalize on the talent they recruit.

Robot: did you really write that being a sportsfan is LARGELY about having your team lose? Are you sure you aren't LAJayhawk5 or Notabandwagon fan? I can imagine how much fun it must be to watch a game with you while you are cheering for KU to lose since that is LARGELY what being a sportsfan is all about.

Actorman: I completely agree with you on the point about enjoying the journey. The journey that KU takes it's fans on year after year is nothing short of exciting. But isn't that journey a little bittersweet when, say, they lose in the 1st round of the Big Dance two years in a row?
I also agree that there is a whole lot of luck that goes into winning the N.C. but when a team is as well coached as Kansas with the kind of talent Kansas recruits year after year, teams like that make their own luck. With such steep tradition, great talent and good coaching, it comes down to more than just luck. And I will concede that the past disappointments in the Big Dance has made for more than a little pessimism about the future. Thank you for an intelligent post rather than resorting to unsportsman-like conduct simply because a fan posts an unpopular opinion.

15 years, 1 month ago

It's great to have Mr. Releford choose us, and to see it unite posters "jross1972" and "KU" in a common belief.

An excellent start to our 2008 recruiting class!!

frompekka2sasha 15 years, 1 month ago

ADP- Please take the Jayhawk off your name because you're not a true fan of this program. You must be a troll from K-State or Missouri.

Sincerely,

More wasted oxygen

Jeremy Bolinger 15 years, 1 month ago

apd truely realizes how big of a peice of $hit he really is.........with that said, this continues to show why Kansas was, is, and ALWAYS will be the basketball power in the midwest, let alone the country. We all know of Self's monster ability to recruit, so apparently he wouldn't waste his time with players who weren't either nba caliber, or great, great role players. I tend to believe that T.R. is nba caliber and should help this team in many ways. This is exactly why Kansas Basketball is the next best thing besides getting laid!!!!!!!

JoJhwk 15 years, 1 month ago

Releford is a great athletic talent, but I hope Self can fix his attitude. Watching him play for Miege, he has a Mizzou attitude - beyond cocky and confident, more arrogant and selfish. Good luck to Releford and KU!

Jaminrawk 15 years, 1 month ago

Welcome to KU Travis. Hopefully this signing will open the flood gates a little. How sweet would it be to get Monroe, Liggins, Warren, Whitley and maybe even Rashanti Harris? It's a stretch but with all of the openings after next year, it's not impossible.

DSommersby 15 years, 1 month ago

Welcome aboard Travis! Have fun and good luck for a super senior season at Bishop Miege and then looking forward to seeing you tear things up as a Jayhawk!

JayhawkPhil 15 years, 1 month ago

I was thrilled to read in this morning's paper that Releford committed. For those of you worried about KU not signing anyone else yet, be patient. More and more kids are taking longer and longer to make up their minds. That kid from Mississippi wasn't even one of our first choices anyway. I predict we will have a couple more big commitments this fall and at least one in the spring. We need to sign 5 good players and I think we will. Great to get a local player.

tis4tim 15 years, 1 month ago

LAJayhawk-

You've gone to the Suck It! well twice this offseason now. Save some for the season :)

I realize how hard it was to pass on this one though.

Larry Smith 15 years, 1 month ago

APD, You do realize that since the last time Kansas has won it all, Florida has had at least 8 seasons of less than 20 wins. Not even getting to a ncaa tourney. Is that what you wish for KU? Fleeting success just so you can say at least we've won 1. I'll take the long term consistency and wait for the championship.

didjabuti 15 years, 1 month ago

Just a question I always think about when hearing about KU choking....am I the only one who clearly saw Carmelo Anthony travel in the final seconds of that game?

Joshua Hann 15 years, 1 month ago

notabandwagonfan, I'm so with you. What I really enjoy is getting laid while watching the game. There is nothing better! Rock Chalk Baby!

Don Johnson 15 years, 1 month ago

Welcome Travis! Not only will you bring your own special talents and gifts to KU, but there is also the potential for you to bring others with you, like your friend Liggins. Once that class begins to shape up with top players, other top players may be attracted to a KU fab five type class. You could be in for some real fun. I know the KU fans will be.

As to APD, I am a psychologist. The NC or nothing attitude you express in a pernicious cognitive distortion called "dichotomous thinking" or "either/or thinking" It is strongly associated with depression and other mood disorders. Learn to deal with it or you may wind up being a very unhappy fellow for the rest of your life. I treat people everyday for their depression, which is associated with just such patterns of thought. How you think determines how you feel. Work on it my man. Your mental health is more important than basketball (Oh my God, that sounds like blasphemy).

seattlehawk_78 15 years, 1 month ago

If it helps APD, I find it less painful if I approach each season with the expectation of not winning a title because that is a more realistic approach. I don't think my disappointment can quite measure up to yours but it bothers me that programs like Florida, who 19 years ago was not even on the basketball map now have as many national titles as KU. I don't know what we did to piss off the basketball gods but we have become the Atlanta Braves of college basketball. If it's any consolation, take solace in the fact that every year we have a legitimate chance to win it all, something most schools can't say.

Chris McIlvain 15 years, 1 month ago

With the exception of TrueBlue92 and KU_Kiwi, I can only hope the other posters on here are only KU fans and not alumni, otherwise, it doesn't say much for the quality of education. And to those of you who keep bringing Roy into the equation...I do not hold Roy in any higer regard than Self. I do, however, expect the 3rd winningest program in history to have more than 2 N.C. in the past 68 years, the latest being almost 20 years ago. Not high expectations when KU is consistently recruiting top talent and competing (and winning) conference championships and post-season conference tournaments. Come on people...with all the great regular season and post season conference success, explain why Kansas CONTINUES to choke when it counts THE MOST?? Pouting, name-calling and incorrect assumptions that a real fan can't also be a realist who expects more then he's getting is ignorant, but I don't expect much more from the marjority of oxygen thieves who post here.

Chris McIlvain 15 years, 1 month ago

And kudos to Seattlehawk_78...he actually gets it.

Chris McIlvain 15 years, 1 month ago

Oh I forgot...this message board only allows positive posts...sunshine and flowers...all is well...we will win it this year....go Hawks...GOD forbid anyone post anything mentioning KU's underachievement year in and year out...let's not do that. When an Athletic Director fires a coach for under-performing, is it a foregone conclusion he is not a fan of his own program? Or should he just keep hanging on and talking about what could be next year?

Chris McIlvain 15 years, 1 month ago

Bandwagon and LaJayhawk, Are you posting from your mama's basement or is internet access a new employee benefit at 7-11?

Jacobpaul81 15 years, 1 month ago

APD, Im not a fan of you, or your negativity. That being said, sometimes you do make good points. However, the comment about only having 2 National Championships bugs me. First off, the totalling of wins is not for 68 years. It's the entirity of a schools history. That being said, Kansas officially has 4 national championships.

Secondly, If you look at final 4 apperances, what conference has the most apperances in history? I'll give you a hint... it aint the Big 12, ACC or Pac10. What does that mean about the tournament?

Thirdly, Kansas, sadly, is famous for losing at the last second. Three of the smallest margins of defeat have been suffered by Kansas (by 1 in 1953 and 1957; by 3 in 2003). Of course, the tragic semifinal loss in 1986 to duke by 4, really was the killer.

Here's the thing. I mean, you can complain all you want, but it's not like we're missouri. We haven't been to the tournament 21 times, and not made a single final four. We've been in 12, won 2 and nearly won 3 more.

UNC only has 4 (and half of them came from beating us). Likewise, Indiana has 5 (2 of which came from beating Kansas..their other wins are over basketball schools to). UCLA has 11, but hell, they ain't won in 12 years, and prior to that, it'd been a 20 year drought. Same goes for Kentucky's 7. It's not like they've won in 10 years. Michigan State, Florida, Louisville and Conneticut all have 2, all but one of which came in the post- Manning period.

The truth of the matter is, things ain't as dire as you make them out to be. Sure we ain't won a national championship since 1988, but no ones won more than 1-2 in that period, except the dukies... who don't look to win another anytime soon.

Robin Smith 15 years, 1 month ago

APD - "oxygen thieves" qualifies as name-calling, you repugnant curmudgeon. A "realist", as you claim to be, would be aware of the fact that success is not measured in championships (except in the minds of simpletons).

If championships are all you care about then you're going to have a hard life as a sports fan. Only one team can win (except in college football) so get used to it.

I enjoy watching basketball as novel as it sounds. So I don't mind if they don't win it all because I enjoy the season regardless. Sure a championship would be nice, but it is not the only thing that matters.

So c'mon, you're being a belligerent jerk and you're preaching to the choir.

Robin Smith 15 years, 1 month ago

APD - you just like the sound of yourself typing.

We don't need to hear this from you because, obviously, we all want KU to have success, and we all want them to win a championship.

So what is your point APD?

Your rants have nothing to do with this article and you seem to just want everybody to agree with you that it is outrageous for a team to have the audacity to succeed most of the time but not win the championship.

You truly are a rebel without a cause, in addition to being a "belligerent jerk", a "human pig", a "repugnant curmudgeon", a "moron", a "simpleton", etc.

When you are this unpopular on a message board it is a pitiful and pitiable thing. I mean, you're not even a KSU or Mizzou fan and one person suggested you off yourself.

So take a chill pill, and learn to deal with reality. Being a sports fan is largely about having your team lose. We are all lucky enough to have a team that wins more often then they lose which means we are in the fortunate minority of sporting fans.

It would be truly ironic if Releford ends up being part of a national champion Jayhawk team. Perhaps the irony would physically smack you on my behalf.

KURUSH1530 15 years, 1 month ago

So what exactly is your solution APD? Fire the head coach and athletic director? I mean who exactly are you upset at for not winning a national championship in the last 20 years?

kutravis 15 years, 1 month ago

APDJayhawk

-youre a moron.

in know way, shape or form has KU underachieved simply by not winning a national championship in the last 20 years.

God forbid we consistently have 20 win seasons. I for one would much rather have a national championship and then fall off the face of the earth as a basketball program.

speaking of falling off the earth, ever hear of a little school named maryland? If i recall correctly, they won a national championship and ever since then they have struggled to get into the NIT, let alone the big dance. Man, if only KU could follow that example.

the fact of the matter is, KU consistently competes for and wins conference championships, consistently makes the ncaa tournament, and is consistenly one of the top teams in the country.

KU's day WILL come. maybe it will be this year, hopefully so, but it not, I will continue to cheer for the greatest school in the country.

In the meantime, perhaps you should try being a maryland fan. i think their style of basketball would suit you better.

Larry Smith 15 years, 1 month ago

ADP, Can you tell me how many teams have appeared in EVERY ncaa tourney since the last time KU missed because of probation? I would love a championship as much as the next guy. But, I really do enjoy Kansas basketball being one of the top teams EVERY year. Cosistency year in and year out gets me excited. I don't really know if I would take 1 championship only to be mediocre for several years to follow. Can't you just enjoy Kansas basketball? If you have unreasonable expectations year in and year out, I guess thats an issue you have to deal with on your own. The one thing that gets me is, I don't think I have ever seen you state that you actually enjoy watching Kansas basketball. Do you? are you actually a fan? I hope that in time you will learn to love the PROGRAM for the great tradition, the great players and the great fans that come along with it.

Larry Smith 15 years, 1 month ago

BTW only one other team has made the tournament every year.

Arizona

Lute Olson has been there 24 years I believe and has 1 NC.

Kirk 15 years, 1 month ago

I agree w/ JP81.

And I'll add: How many other schools had 2 (count 'em) world class head coaches depart (at the peak of their abilities!) for greener pastures in the last 20 years?

That's right: Arizona. Lute Olsen ditched them in...no, wait.

Um....

Purposive 15 years, 1 month ago

I always knew Releford would commit. Like I said in the other article, I saw him at 75% of the home games last year. You can't spend that much time in The Phog and not be a part of KU.

Plus, he just has a KU name, doesn't he.

Chris McIlvain 15 years, 1 month ago

So now you people are saying in order to win a championship, i.e. Maryland, the team will be struggling for years to follow? Like Florida did last year...no wait, they repeated. That's right 2 in a row at a FOOTBALL school! Kansas recruits top talent, year in and year out... Kansas is the 3rd winningest program in history... Kansas is consistently in the Top 25 and usually in the Top 10... Kansas consistently has 20 win seasons and great success in post-season tournaments... Kansas cannot find a way to turn that success into a National Championship! Is it fun to watch them win during the regular season? Hell yes. And to what end does every team strive during the regular season? To get to the Big Dance. And for what? To win the National Championship. We are not VCU who celebrates making it to the dance. We are always talented and therefore should be there. But we should also win it when we have the above factors year in and year out.

frompekka2sasha 15 years, 1 month ago

didjabuti- I wish my seats would have been better but I'll never re-watch that game again. Was Michael Lee's shot going down? I still wonder to this day.

seattlehawk_78 15 years, 1 month ago

We lost that game at the freethrow line. It's pointless to speculate on any other aspect of the game.

ADP, I agree with your points and share in your frustration but it's like someone said earlier, who are you going to get mad at? I don't know what else this program can do besides continue signing top recruits, win conference championships, earn top rankings, play in the tournament, and send players to the NBA. We have the history, tradition, the best venue, and the prestige, all we need is the hardware to back it up. Sooner or later or luck has got to change.

Jeremy Bolinger 15 years, 1 month ago

Apd, you keep saying the same things.........i think you just love hearing yourself talk. Yea man, 7-11 just got a whole bunch of new computers with something faster than dial-up internet.........isnt that just great!!!!!!! Anyways dude, you should just seriously stop and think before you post, especially when you keep repeating yourself..........3rd winningist program.....blah blah blah........most talent.....blah blah blah........just shut up! You've said it, most people agree......but STOP SAYING IT! Everyone on here agrees with your point in one way or another, and we've got it the last 15 times you've said it. I mean jeez man, pick something else to talk about.

As for JayhawkPhil, Romero Osby was one of the kids we were really after. Nobody spent more time recruiting this kid than we did. With that said, its kind of suprising seeing that kid go to Mississippi St. Good luck to him, apparently he doesnt want to compete for conference titles and National titles. Now i must go and get out of my mothers basement.

justanotherfan 15 years, 1 month ago

By the way, apparently Releford was an absolute scoring monster when he was at Central High School in Kansas City, Mo. (he transferred to Miege after his soph year). He put up 43 in a game at Central, but everyone that has played with him says that he is a willing passer and is not a ball hog. That sounds like best of both worlds - someone that can fill it up as necessary, but is willing to give it up to help the team.

I think Osby's decision had more to do with staying close to home than anything else. Oddly, that was a decisive factor in the Releford recruitment as well.

BuckTurgidson 15 years, 1 month ago

Does anyone else remember how some jacka$$ MU fan got on here some time back, and, while adopting the user name of 'phog' (I think it was) hijacked a number of threads with constant references to KU basketball teams 'choking' EVERY YEAR in the NCAA Tournament, or loses to Bucknell and Bradley EVERY YEAR, and how KU winning Big 12 titles don't mean anything, and how KU fans should be sick of underachieving EVERY YEAR, etc.?

Okay, look at the ridiculous sh*t 'ADPJayhawk' has posted on this thread. Now ask yourself - do you believe in (internet) reincarnation? Do we have a match?

Come on people - don't waste anymore time arguing with that pathetic lowlife. Don't debase KU's program by saying you agree with anything that pathetic lowlife says. Wise up! The KU basketbal program doesn't need defending. If we ever (heaven forbid!) have a program where we have a stranglehold on sixth place in the Big 12 and can't even rate an invite to the freakin' NIT (much less the NCAA Tournament) then we would deserve to hang our heads in utter shame.

Again - WISE UP!

seattlehawk_78 15 years, 1 month ago

I don't think so Buck. Phog was clearly anti-KU and was never masquerading as a KU fan. I think he was too embarrassed or ashamed to admit what school he was a fan of. APD is just expressing his frustration over the lack of the ultimate prize. I think when you are as good as KU, it's only natural to want that title even more, and not winning it makes it all the more painful. Take a look at the threads after every game we lost last season and you'll see plenty of negative posts trashing players and coaches in the process.

Being a critic of your own team doesn't mean you're not a loyal fan any more than criticizing your government means you are not patriotic. Disagree if you must but I don't think his loyalty as a fan should be questioned.

Chris McIlvain 15 years, 1 month ago

Thanks seattlehawk...you understand where I'm coming from. I am a die-hard KU fan! I have NEVER trashed a player or a coach in any of my posts. The closest my displeasure has come to "bashing" anyone is to only point out that Self is the man making the big $$$ and if anyone had to be held accountable, I guess it would be him. Or whoever was holding the reins at that time.
Buck... Trying to compare the "pain" KU fans feel not winning it all with that of K-State or Missouri fans isn't even arguable. You are comparing apples and oranges by trying to put those programs on the same level as KU... you can't do it. If a K-State or a Missouri makes it to the Sweet 16, man that's a big deal. A Final Four? Amazing. And as much as you complain that I repeat myself...my posts come down to the simple points that such a TRULY GREAT program like Kansas can't get it done in the Big Dance. And just like everyone else, I will be anticipating the start of this season and hoping that at the end, you all can tell me you told me so.

Jeremy Bolinger 15 years, 1 month ago

agreed seattlehawk..........but if you are going to bitch about something, make it a legit argument and not something that is just said time and time again. I'm sick of people who get on here and say the same old same old every time they post. I get frusterated too. However, I don't sit and cast blame on everyone. Ultimately, it comes down to the players every single season. We are the University of Kansas. We have more talent than just about everyone. Players win games, players lose games. Bill Self puts Kansas Basketball in GREAT position to win games with the top talent he brings in year after year. These players need to step up and stop making excuses every single time they lose. And god forbid we still have to deal with this crap next season. I hope these seniors can lead us to the final 4, and hopefully a national championship.

BuckTurgidson 15 years, 1 month ago

"Isn't the journey bittersweet when we lose in the first round of the Big Dance two years in a row."

Yeah - that sums up the entire history of KU basketball, doesn't it? The same revisionist history dogsh*t you always have to scoop up from the sidewalk in front of GoPowercat or the Tigerboard. Has KU ever had a 'journey' that didn't end up with our losing 'in the first round of the dance'. Seems to me we have, unless someone wants to correct me otherwise. THAT's the kind of crap we shouldn't have to deal with, nota.

You talk about how 'painful' it is to not 'win it all', seattle. Try living the life of a Kansas State, Missouri basketball fan. Then, I would submit, you would truly experience 'painful'. Then compare that to 'not winning it all'. And the fact that we have fans trashing our coaches and players 'after every game we lost' this season (ALL FIVE OF THEM!!!) is just another example of this absurdity.

Again, nota, you say 'god forbid we still have to deal with this crap next season'. Huh? Heaven forbid we would have to 'deal' with YET ANOTHER 33-5 season? Right. I could think of no more shameful a stain on the heritage of KU basketball. Absolutely!

I'm sorry. Maybe I'm just out of it. Maybe I just don't get it. But sometimes I really wonder.

Jeremy Bolinger 15 years, 1 month ago

Listen here BuckTurgidson, Im the most die hard Kansas basketball fan you will EVER fuking meet! My comments were in regards to apd saying the same old $hit every single time. You must be a newbie on here, because anyone who has read my posts realizes how much of a Bill Self supporter I truely am. Probably the biggest one he has. And yes, god forbid we have to deal with another season that should have ended in us winning the national championship. We have too much talent not to. We have to always stay hungry and not be satisfied with a 33-5 season that ends with a loss in the elite 8. Although apd is a complete moron, he has a legitimate point which he seems to express over and over again..........we need to win a title! I love Kansas, I love Bill Self, I love the expectations, but I hate when idiots like yourself get on here and are satisfied with sub-par performances. Get to know something about me before you bash me B!TCH!

Jeremy Bolinger 15 years, 1 month ago

And furthermore, Im very content and proud of a 33-5 win season. And yes, you cannot win every single year. But I want a title so damn bad, as im sure everyone else, including you, wants one. But as long as the players are satisfied without winning titles, thats all we will never win. It takes so much luck, skill, and more luck to win. We've had some unbeatable teams that haven't done crap.......then we had the 88 team that did. God forbid we have to sit through another offseason next year and have these conversations like we are having now, when we should be still celebrating our 5th national championship. 1922 and 1923 still count in my mind, and screw what anyone else thinks!

BuckTurgidson 15 years, 1 month ago

'I'm still sticking by my original thesis regarding ADP's previous identity. Waaaaaaay to much Tigerboard logic in there not to be.

'B!TCH!'? Whoa!

Hmmm. No one was questioing YOUR loyalty to the program or your support of HCBS, nota. But -

you say you're "very content and proud of a 33-5 win season." Yet you say in the previous post that you hate it when idiots like me get on here and are satisfied with "sub-par performances." My whole point is that (curse me if you will) I, too was very proud of our 33-5 season last year, but can't, for the life of me, consider it 'sub-par'.

You suggest the players are 'satisfied' without 'winning titles'. Where did you hear that?

You say you "want a title so damn bad." Hey, so do I, bro. Then you state APD/'phog' has a 'legitimate point' and say "We need to win a title!" Okay, then I'll ask 'or what?' What will happen if we don't? Other than hearing the same old 'KU chokes every year' mantra from our friends in black and gold and in purple (while they sit at home unable to watch THEIR teams even be invited to the NIT.) I can only hope you don't put any credence in any of that crap. I've got news for ya, nota- NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, those guys are NEVER going to say anything else.

I guess my major point of departure with your POV, nota, is that you seem to be acting like sitting through this off-season in the aftermath of "a 33-5 season that ends with a loss in the elite eight" is subjecting you to an endless nightmare of suffering- where I was rather enjoying the off-season because of it.

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