Tuesday, October 17, 2006

Giles removed from team


Reader poll

How will C.J. Giles' suspension affect the 2006-07 Jayhawks?

  • It's a big loss. 24% 50 votes
  • There's plenty of other talent on the team. 70% 143 votes
  • No opinion. 4% 10 votes

203 total votes.

Kansas University reserve junior center C.J. Giles has been removed from the team indefinitely for issues related to but not limited to his academic performance, according to men's basketball coach Bill Self.

"He has some personal issues that must be addressed," Self said Tuesday. "Nobody should read anything more into it than he has personal issues that must be addressed. His status with the team will be addressed if and ever if those personal issues are addressed."

Giles, who did not practice with the team Monday or Tuesday, could not be reached for comment. The voice mailbox on his cellular phone was full.

KU's Bill Self talks about C.J. Giles' 'personal issues'

KU head men's basketball coach Bill Self discusses C.J. Giles' dismissal from and his status with the team.

When asked if Giles was in town, Self said: "I hope so. His issues are concerning school. A lot of his issues are concerning school. I'm not saying those are the only ones, but he's got some major issues concerning school, so hopefully he is addressing those."

Talking after the completion of practice inside Allen Fieldhouse, Self did not sound overly optimistic about Giles' chances of getting his personal business in order any time soon.

"He just has some issues that need to be dealt with," Self said. "He hasn't been very good at dealing with those issues thus far or consistently. Hopefully, he can get everything in order. But I'm not sure it's something you fix overnight either."

Beyond those related to academics, Self did not reveal what other issues Giles needed to get in order before his status on the team could be addressed. Self did indicate that Giles was not in any legal trouble.

Consistency hasn't been Giles' forte on the court, either. A 6-foot-11 native of Seattle, Giles is gifted with exceptional speed, quickness and agility for a player his size, but has been slow in developing offensively. He averaged 6.2 points and 4.8 rebounds per game last season. His best game came against California, when he defended Leon Powe well and posted career highs in minutes (32) and blocked shots (five). He scored a career-high 21 points against Chaminade and contributed 10 points, six rebounds and strong defense in a blowout victory over Kentucky.

"He's got a lot of God-given talent, but we keep talking about a guy with a lot of God-given talent who is playing 16 minutes a game," Self said. "He has potential to be a terrific player. He is a terrific prospect, but there's a lot more that goes into being a terrific player. He knows that. And certainly we as a staff and as a team know that as well."

Even without Giles, Self has numerous options available to fill the 80 minutes per game from the two post positions. In the latter half of last season, Julian Wright joined Sasha Kaun in the starting lineup. Darnell Jackson and Giles backed them up. Freshman Darrell Arthur, a 6-foot-9 native of Dallas, will be a prominent member of the rotation. Wright is expected to play both on the perimeter and inside this season. Matt Kleinmann, a 6-foot-10 sophomore, also lends frontcourt depth if needed.

"It's a blow because we went from being the deepest team around to all the sudden we're not near as deep in practice," Self said. "It would be just like getting somebody nicked up in practice, although this situation is much more serious than that."

By that, Self meant that he could be sure that an injured player would return to the team. In Giles' case, the coach said: "There are no guarantees."

Self said he was unaware of whether Giles was doing anything to keep his body or game in shape.

"He does not need to be doing anything but taking care of his personal business," Self said.

Self, when asked if it should be something Giles will be able to take care of, said, "It hasn't happened yet."

Before last season, Giles made no secret of his desire to play well enough as a sophomore to declare himself eligible for the NBA draft. As is the case with many student-athletes who project themselves as early entries to the NBA, Giles front-loaded his schedule with less challenging classes and has more difficult ones remaining.

Self said he expected to have "close contact" with Giles "the next few days, the next week, but no definite timetable."

Giles originally signed with the University of Miami, was released from that commitment and came to KU, where his father, Chester, played for Ted Owens for two years (1979-80), battled knee injuries, and averaged 3.1 points and 2.8 rebounds per game. Chester moved from Seattle to Lawrence during his son's sophomore season and was a regular at home games last season.


Michael Stanclift 15 years, 7 months ago

I wonder if he was removed for personal reasons? ;)

tis4tim 15 years, 7 months ago

Also, why would the third choice in the above opinion poll be "no opinion". That is an opinion. Why not make it "I don't care"?

Linda Aikins 15 years, 7 months ago

Hurry back CJ. You will be very glad you focused and finished your athletic and scholastic career. The other nonsense can wait until you graduate.

Take if from an old lady - it will be very worth it.

ModerateOne 15 years, 7 months ago

Coach_Eric sez: "I don't know what it is about these big men KU brings in, but somehow they just don't improve here."

True. Raef LaFrentz, Nick Collison, and Scot Pollard should have just jumped to the NBA out of high school. They didn't improve at all while they were here.

bangaranggerg 15 years, 7 months ago

All of those guys are Williams era big men Mod1. Right now I don't think we have an assistant that specializes in big men, Self is much better at coaching guards. Shoot, he was one at OSU. The only good thing about CJ 's departure that no one mentioned is, loss of scholarship makes recruits think harder about other university's, they think "hey, no spot over there, I better give my second choice the verbal". Now we have a spot open, and we only need to lose one player next year instead of two. So, we'll see who stays and who signs with us. Sorry, CJ your scholarship spot might be more valuable than your bench relief, especially with the teams conditioning.

Eric Neuteboom 15 years, 7 months ago

ModerateOne: Good point. Guess I focused only on the failures. Sad to see wasted talent though.

JayCeph 15 years, 7 months ago

If the problem(s) were just academic, they could publicly state that as a matter of public record. I think there is something much deeper going on here and I'm not entirely convinced it doesn't have something to do with the NCAA-choke-collar that KU has been fitted with this past week.

I am sorry to hear that CJ is having troubles. Beyond what it means for the team and the school, this time that CJ is in school should be a tremendous time for him...

I hope the issues aren't anything other than academic. You can always study harder but you can never walk away from a 'Moon Bar.'

John Brown 15 years, 7 months ago

Well, this would open up a scholarship for next year. Gotta take care of business. Sounds like it is a little more serious than skipping class.

jayloco 15 years, 7 months ago

I wish the best for CJ, but if he is going to be a distraction, it is best for him to go. Not saying he shouldn't finish his education, but the last thing this team needs is distractions. They should be focused on every game and not have to worry about a CJ soap opera. Hope you finish your degree CJ, but if you are going to be a distraction to this team, do what is best for you and the other guys on this squad and don't return.

Eric Neuteboom 15 years, 7 months ago

Doesn't CJ stand for "Chenowith Junior?"

I don't know what it is about these big men KU brings in, but somehow they just don't improve here. I certainly hope CJ is afforded and takes advantage of every opportunity to finish his education (though my inner voice tells me he won't) but I won't miss him on the court. Sad to see a million dollar talent with a ten-cent head.

DocBean 15 years, 7 months ago

"hopefully he can get healthy and get everything in order..."

sounds more like stuff outside of school.

chaggs 15 years, 7 months ago

Beyond our desire to get you back onto the backetball court, the most important thing is that you realize that the most important thing is your education.

Good luck CJ

Katie Van Blaricum 15 years, 7 months ago

Who says you don't need school to get to the NBA now?

byron 15 years, 7 months ago

C J is a good person-lets hope he can turn things around.

CMKUbLu304 15 years, 7 months ago

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MarchSadness 15 years, 7 months ago

get it together man!! KU needs you to block everything in the paint!

FlaHawk 15 years, 7 months ago

What atalent and what a disappoointment. CJ has major issues and better to jettison him now than during the season when he will drag the team down. I hope he gets his act together and returns, but am not holding my breathe.

ameraidi 15 years, 7 months ago

Godammit CJ....what the hell is so hard about English 102 and College Algebra?? Get it together man and work your ass back on the team....because if you don''re gonna miss out on being a national champion with the rest of the hawks come March....

Ken Miller 15 years, 7 months ago

It would be nice to have the "depth" that Giles brings to the front court - but what IS his apparently poor attitude doing to the rest of the team? Bottom line is, KU is still loaded, and might have one fewer distraction this season.

PapaB 15 years, 7 months ago

Looks like Self took care of his new scholarship shortage very quickly. Who's going to back up Kahn? Even Self can see that Arthur and Kleinmann aren't ready yet. Wright is already out of place at the 4, and does it well, but he's a little too short and too thin to really bang down low. It'll be interesting to see how things develop...

keagan 15 years, 7 months ago

Bangaranggerg says that we don't have a coach that specializes in big men. "Technically" we do with Danny Manning, one of the greatest big men to have ever played for KU. So he's not an assistant, but he definitely works with the big men to make sure they can bang with the best of them.

Good luck CJ in getting your issues sorted out and making your way back on the team. I hope you can do it!! As for the rest of the Jayhawk nation, let's keep the faith! We've got a great basketball season ahead of us and we're going to be awesome!

mom_of_three 15 years, 7 months ago

Both of his parents played basketball at KU, so there is a history. It would look pretty bad if KU turned their back on him. A good education is important.
Hopefully, he can get everything settled, and then concentrate on improving his game, as well as school and all that is important in his life.

Bone777 15 years, 7 months ago

New Mexico would be more than happy to have another one of our problem children.

kshomebrew 15 years, 7 months ago

Gotta show a little responsibility and effort in life. What if you don't get drafted into the NBA? What are you gonna do then? What about after NBA, that money don't last forever.

tdub 15 years, 7 months ago

I know for a fact this has little to do with grades. CJ was great at pulling crap that works at schools with no sanctions, but he just found out what probation means to KU.

Michael Foulston 15 years, 7 months ago

From the video (fantastic camera work, by the way; life would be less fulfilling if I didn't know exactly what every pore beneath coach Self's sideburns looks like,): "Hopefully he can get healthy and get everything in order." So between that and the academic issues, I'd say he's probably needing to get mental/emotional counseling in addition to getting his academics squared away. Or maybe he just needs his pops to get down here and give him a swift kick in the's hoping for the best for CJ.

Michael Class of '93

justdoit23 15 years, 7 months ago

We need CJ! period! This guy can have 4 blocks per game!

Michael Foulston 15 years, 7 months ago

Well, from one of those that probably knows more facts than anyone on a KU message's a blog entry from Andy Katz (who just wrote a glowing piece on Brandon Rush, and another on WSU and Mark Turgeon!)

Link if you are an ESPN insider:

KU's Giles may be done posted: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 | Feedback | Print Entry

C.J. Giles' career at Kansas is perilously close to being over after numerous academic and behavoral issues got him suspended from the team Tuesday, according to a source close to the situation. The source said that Kansas coach Bill Self said it's going to be tough for Giles to recover from this and make it back on the team, but the window isn't completely closed.

When was at Kansas Saturday afternoon, Self hinted that Giles was having trouble with school. And Self said the Jayhawks anticipated that this would be Giles' last season in Lawrence if "he did what he was supposed to do." That meant playing at a high level, since the 6-foot-11 center is considered a first-round NBA prospect. The Jayhawks were recruiting with the intent that Giles would be gone, since they weren't certain he could be eligible for his senior season.

Giles averaged 6.2 points and 4.8 rebounds last season. He is considered the Jayhawks' top low-post scorer, but clearly not its only one. Self can lay a heavy hand on Giles since he has plenty of options inside.

The Jayhawks are deep with returnees Darnell Jackson and Sasha Kaun, and newcomers Darrell Arthur, who Self termed the most talented player on the team, and Julian Wright. Self wanted to use Wright on the perimeter but the absence of Giles could mean more post minutes for Wright. Arthur said over the weekend that he's not ready to be a force inside since he gets pushed around, but he may need to log more minutes in the post with Giles gone.

Brandon Rush is set on the wing and so, too, are the guards, with Mario Chalmers, Russell Robinson and Sherron Collins sharing time handling the ball. That gives the Jayhawks a strong eight-man nucleus.

"Chemistry won't be an issue," Self said Wednesday morning. "We've got a core eight."

Giles' length and activity will be missed, but Self isn't going to disrupt this team's Final Four chances with one player who won't adhere to the rules.

Kornphlake 15 years, 7 months ago

Maybe now he will have time to take care of some of his kids.

apeoples410 15 years, 7 months ago

The timing of this seems a little suspect with the recent loss of a scholarship. It has to be more than just clearing room for Kyle Singler or another recruit, though. Otherwise, I would expect something like this to happen to a scholarship player not expected to be in the top 9 rotation like Jeremy Case or Roderick Stewart.

We could use CJ this year with his long arms and ability to move, especially if he's bulked up over the summer.

Good luck dealing with your issues, CJ.

DocBean 15 years, 7 months ago

I have a hard time believing that D. Arthur will get pushed around anymore than CJ did. Darnell Jackson will take CJs place, and he's the type of player we need in there off the bench anyway - he does the dirty work, won't need to be a scorer, and hits his free throws consitantly. Kahn and Jackson are our bangers, and Arthur and Wright will create a lot of matchup problems. Not as deep, sure, but no one else is either. We'll be fine.

eddiesuttonschoolofdriving 15 years, 7 months ago

"monkey ass arms"? No need to pull that card.

CJ got routinely shoved around by smaller guys, doesn't know what to do with the ball in his hands, and sure doesn't move his feet to get into defensive position very well considering how quick he seems - way too many stupid fouls. Darrell Arthur will bring lots more skill to that position. What the hell is up w/ Seattle recruits? Giles and Downs were head cases and Stewart hasn't earned his way into minutes despite being freakishly athletic.

kujeeper 15 years, 7 months ago

Maybe he shouldn't have spent all summer drinking at smoking dope at Johnny's Tavern with his thug friends. Thugs+Drugs+Probation=Goodbye!

JayCeph 15 years, 7 months ago

Did this just become a Miz-zero message board? Drugs, drinking and thugs are about 3.5 hours east of Lawrence...

hawkfan4life 15 years, 7 months ago

Okay, I must have missed something because I didn't know that Giles was being projected as a potential first round pick. I have only seen CJ have maybe five good games max, and that sure doesn't qualify him for the NBA. It doesn't matter that he is 6'll or not because when you factor in his attitude problems that definitely excludes him. I mean you have guys like A. Miles who come to Kansas and WORK hard for 4 years, eximplify all that it means to be a Jayhawk and still don't get their shot. I know that is not a fair comparison because it is a big man compared to a guard but come on. Darrell, the spot is yours for the taking, you will get banged around at first but it will make your game stronger! Hit the weights and the books, be the big man that we need.

amyleigh1221 15 years, 7 months ago

I hope CJ is able to come back sometime soon. he's a good guy and just needs to straighten things out.

PS: it's not fair for the article to say "departures during bills era". JR was not very intelligent and didn't like the fact that bill got on his ass b/c he turned the ball over 7 times a game. Micah was just wierd...I'm glad he left Padgett wanted to be with Roy so he tried to get into UNC and they didnt want him so he ended up at Louisville Galindo, Bahe and Wilkes all just wanted more playing time.

Galindo, Bahe, Wilkes, Padgett and JR were all recruited by Roy...more like "departures from the Roy era while Self is here"

mumpy1 15 years, 7 months ago

What a waste of good talent! Giles - use your beanie and not your weanie!!!!

Kornphlake 15 years, 7 months ago

Told ya, look back and see. Gotta feed them babies.

OmahaKUAlum 15 years, 7 months ago

Where does Andy Katz get his information? Since when is Giles considered a 1st round prospect? I didn't know that being the 7th leading scorer on your team made you a first round NBA prospect. And I'm pretty sure he is not/was not "considered the Jayhawks' top low-post scorer" when 3 other post players (Kaun, Wright, and Jackson) averaged more points than him.

I hope CJ is able to work out whatever problems he has and finish school, if nothing else. But I agree with several people that he may be a distraction that this team does not need during a Final Four run. Good luck CJ!

nikesasquatch 15 years, 7 months ago

KU does not need Giles and KU is better off distancing itself from Giles. KU doesn't need to be the Miami Hurricanes of college basketball.

David Robinett 15 years, 7 months ago

Maybe room for CJ at New Mexico?

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