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KU assistant says Malik Newman ‘a little bit better’ on Monday

Kansas guard Malik Newman (14) leaves the game with a  concussion during the second half, Sunday, Dec. 10, 2017 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Malik Newman (14) leaves the game with a concussion during the second half, Sunday, Dec. 10, 2017 at Allen Fieldhouse. by Nick Krug

Filling in for KU coach Bill Self on Hawk Talk on Monday night, Kansas assistant coach Norm Roberts provided a brief update on the injury status of sophomore guard Malik Newman.

Newman left Sunday's 95-85 loss to Arizona State late in the game after taking a knee to the head and winding up down on the floor for several minutes.

Self said after the loss that he was told Newman had suffered a concussion and Roberts indicated that Newman's condition had improved in the 24 hours since KU's loss.

“He's got a bit of a headache and that stuff,” Roberts said midway through the show. “But he seemed to be doing a little bit better.”

As for whether Newman will be ready in time for Saturday's 7 p.m. game at Nebraska, Roberts said the team was hopeful that Newman would be ready to go for KU's next game.

“Yeah, hopefully he will,” Roberts said. “He's got a few days here. (He'll) just take some time and everything, but I think he took a pretty good shot there when he hit his head on the guy's knee.”

Newman, who is in his first year of eligibility with Kansas after transferring from Mississippi State following his freshman season, has started eight of nine games for the Jayhawks (7-2) and is averaging 11.6 points and 4.4 rebounds in 29.4 minutes per game while shooting .405 from 3-point range.

If Newman is unable to play — or even if he is limited in any capacity — freshman guard Marcus Garrett, who started the one game that Newman did not, likely would receive an increase in his minutes.


Former Jayhawk Carlton Bragg pretty popular on Twitter Sunday

Former KU forward Carlton Bragg's Twitter profile as of Sunday, Dec. 10, 2017.

Former KU forward Carlton Bragg's Twitter profile as of Sunday, Dec. 10, 2017. by Matt Tait

An old Kansas basketball friend jumped into the limelight a little bit via social media on Sunday, as his new team, Arizona State, was in the process of knocking off his old team, KU, at Allen Fieldhouse.

Despite not even being eligible to play this season, and with a personal matter taking him away from the ASU team altogether, Bragg clearly was watching Sunday's showdown between his new team and his old squad.

And he had no problem sharing his allegiances to the Sun Devils, which, as you might expect, riled up more than a few Kansas fans on Twitter.

But to expect him to do anything else would be foolish. Even though things did not end well for him at Kansas, Bragg's departure was not viewed as a devastating blow to the KU program, nor did it come with any kind of public negativity or sour grapes on the part of Bragg or the Kansas basketball program.

So, really, it hardly seems like that big of a deal for a college kid to hop onto Twitter to have some fun at the expense of his old team while his new team was playing well. But, clearly, not every KU fan saw it that way.

The first Bragg Tweet came around halftime, when ASU had trimmed KU's early 13-point lead down to the three.

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That Tweet was met with plenty of jabs from KU fans, most of them calling him out for not playing in Sunday's game or being a disappointment while he was in a KU uniform. And others could not help themselves and pointed to Bragg's off the court issues from a season ago.

Later, after Arizona State had sealed the 95-85 victory, Bragg chimed in again, this time with a simple message in support of his new team accompanied by the emoji of the head with a zipper over its mouth.

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Naturally, the salt in the wound that came after their team's loss to Bragg's new bunch did not sit well with Kansas fans who chose to engage Bragg — @carltonbragg31 — on Twitter on Sunday.

But by far the most curious thing about the whole encounter, which was pointed out plenty of times in the replies to both of Bragg's Tweets, was the fact that the former KU forward from Cleveland still has two pictures of himself in a Kansas uniform as his Twitter picture.

That seems more than a little strange.

Even though Bragg has not yet played a game for the Sun Devils — and it's a legitimate question if he ever will — surely there's a regular Joe picture of him on campus or back home that would be a good replacement for the KU pics.

Hey, to each his own, I guess.

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Sun Devils’ celebrations a sign of what it means to beat KU

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When Washington knocked of Kansas at Sprint Center last Wednesday night, the Huskies ripped off a wild celebration in the Sprint Center locker room that left head coach Mike Hopkins soaking wet and smiling.

Sunday, at Allen Fieldhouse, UW's Pac-12 brother, Arizona State, took that celebration one step farther after knocking off the second-ranked Jayhawks on their home floor.

ASU coach Bobby Hurley, like Hopkins, was greeted by a celebratory water bath when he returned to the Sun Devils' locker room, but the fun was far from finished there.

In addition to a wild trip home with lots of smiles, hugs and high fives for everyone, the 9-0 Sun Devils, who are poised for a big jump in the polls, were greeted by a big crowd when they returned to campus in Phoenix on Sunday night.

Fans first began flocking to the ASU basketball facilities a couple of hours after the game went final and they stayed until long after the players had hopped off of the bus.

Granted, it's easier to go stand outside in December in a place like Phoenix, where the weather is good year round, but the fact that they did it, on a Sunday night no less, was a clear sign of what this win meant to that program.

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While those images and the memories of this game might be hard for KU fans to relive, the reason they're interesting is that they show just what it means to beat Kansas.

It's not as if this is some low-major school that has never won much and just pulled off the upset of the century. The ASU program, though down of late, has had big moments in the past, is a Power 5 program, is coached by one of college basketball's all-time greatest players and features an alumni directory with the name James Harden in it.

So, ASU has had its share of basketball moments. But this is by far the biggest moment it has enjoyed in a while and, even though it's still just early December, the Sun Devils' fan base, which showed up in impressive numbers at Allen Fieldhouse, and the team itself took the opportunity to celebrate it to the fullest.

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Doing so proved to be the ultimate tip of the cap to Kansas. After all, after knocking off Xavier by 16 a couple of weeks ago, there was no such celebration. And Xavier is a legitimate Final Four and national title contender this season.

But the Musketeers aren't Kansas.

Our own Bobby Nightengale recently wrote a nice blog about what it feels like to beat Kansas. In it, he talked to a handful of Big 12 players who have experienced the feat.

While each offered their unique insight into something that has been pretty rare during recent years, none of them talked about a celebration quite as charged up as the one the Sun Devils delivered from the moment the final buzzer sounded to the time they turned the lights out on Sunday night.

While the aftermath of their big win might seem like overkill to Kansas fans who don't really celebrate that way until NCAA Tournament time, it's worth noting because it shows not only how ASU is a team on the rise but also how fortunate the KU program has become.

It's been years, decades even, since wins like this would have sent Lawrence into a similar celebration and that speaks to the wild consistency of greatness and incredibly high bar that has been set for the Kansas program.

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Postgame Report Card: Arizona State 95, Kansas 85

Arizona State guard Shannon Evans II (11) puts a three over Kansas guard Lagerald Vick (2) during the second half, Sunday, Dec. 10, 2017 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Arizona State guard Shannon Evans II (11) puts a three over Kansas guard Lagerald Vick (2) during the second half, Sunday, Dec. 10, 2017 at Allen Fieldhouse. by Nick Krug

Quick grades for five aspects of KU’s 95-85 loss to No. 16 Arizona State on Sunday at Allen Fieldhouse.

Offense: B-

The Jayhawks shot 48 percent from the floor and looked much more aggressive attacking the rim and finding their offense. And they were terrific early, particularly Devonte' Graham. The problem was, ASU put so much pressure on Kansas with its offense that the shots the Jayhawks did miss came at crucial times and proved to be massive blows. Turnovers also were a big, big problem.

Defense: D-

Outside of the first few minutes and a couple of desperation possessions late in the second half, the Jayhawks were exposed in just about every way, defensively, in this one. KU's guards could not contain the Arizona State guards on the drive and gave up good looks from 3-point range. And there was next to no inside presence. Both are problems that already have haunted this team and will continue to do so unless the Jayhawks make major improvements quickly.

Frontcourt: C-

Udoka Azubuike struggled most of the day. Even though he made six of his seven shot attempts, Kansas almost never was able to throw the ball to him inside and the 7-footer struggled on the glass and to be any kind of defensive presence. Mitch Lightfoot did what he could to be a factor and had a couple of good moments, but he does not bring enough to the table yet to overcome an off day from Azubuike.

Backcourt: C+

Considering half of this grade is for offense and the other half is for defense, the Jayhawks had very little chance for a high grade no matter how good their offense was. And it, too, was not great. Graham did what he could to be much better than he was against Washington, which helped, but none of the KU guards did much in the second half and none of them had any kind of consistency.

Bench: D

Lightfoot grabbed five rebounds and blocked a couple of shots in 18 minutes. And Marcus Garrett, whose early-season confidence has disappeared of late, did next to nothing in his 15 minutes. KU definitely is missing a spark off of the bench of any kind and not only needs these two to elevate their play but also to get a notable contribution from soon-to-be-eligible guard Sam Cunliffe.

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By the Numbers: Arizona State 95, Kansas 85.

By the Numbers: Arizona State 95, Kansas 85.

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National reaction to KU’s loss to Washington somewhat mixed

Kansas head coach Bill Self reacts after the Jayhawks were called for a foul during the second half, Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2017 at Sprint Center.

Kansas head coach Bill Self reacts after the Jayhawks were called for a foul during the second half, Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2017 at Sprint Center. by Nick Krug

Losses tend to expose all kinds of weaknesses and quickly send the focus of both the team and the fan base to what is not going right as opposed to what is.

“We're not a good execution team,” KU coach Bill Self said after the loss. “When we're playing well, we're a good playing team, but we haven't scored all year on plays. We had some plays that we tried to do, but our execution's so bad. We got the ball where it needed to go, for the most part. I just thought our defense was horrendous and our hustle plays weren't very good either.”

While those reality-check moments can often be a good thing in the eyes of the coaching staff, one national college basketball writer believes that Wednesday's loss to Washington was anything but good for Kansas.

Gary Parrish, of CBS Sports, on Friday released the latest version of his Top 25 (and one) rankings which he tracks throughout the season. And KU's newest spot was more than a little shocking.

After entering Wednesday as a 22-point favorite and ending the day on the wrong end of a nine-point loss to unranked and unheralded Washington, Parrish dropped the Jayhawks from No. 2 in his rankings all the way down to No. 24.

While that free fall is eye-opening enough, here's the best part: Five Big 12 teams — count 'em FIVE — are ranked ahead of KU, according to Parrish, with West Virginia (9), TCU (13), Baylor (17), Texas (19) and Texas Tech (21) all surfacing before the picture of the Jayhawk.

Here's what Parrish had to say in the rankings about dropping the Jayhawks 22 spots.

“The Jayhawks were 21.5-point favorites when they lost to Washington late Wednesday. Devonte' Graham missed seven of the eight shots he took.”

There's not a lot there that explains the massive drop, but it's clear that Parrish is punishing Kansas for laying an egg and may believe the Jayhawks are only as good as Graham.

Somewhat expectedly, Parrish fielded more than a few questions in the comment section and on Twitter about his treatment of the Jayhawks.

Only then did we gain a little more insight into why he dropped Bill Self's squad 22 spots.

“Lots of questions about Kansas at No. 24,” Parrish Tweeted. “Here’s the simple answer: No team I have ranked ahead of KU has a loss anywhere close to as bad as KU’s loss to Washington. And if I’m going punish other teams for crazy-bad losses, I felt like I had to do the same to the Jayhawks.”

Fair enough. And, really, none of it matters much now.

What will be interesting to see is what happens to Kansas in Parrish's poll if the Jayhawks respond to the bad loss with a good win over No. 16 Arizona State (No. 12, according to Parrish) on Sunday. Or, on the other side of the coin, if he drops Kansas out of the Top 25 (and one) altogether if the Jayhawks lose to the Sun Devils.

Interesting stuff to kick around. But, again, Parrish's point of view does not mean much for the Jayhawks in terms of the big picture of their quest to win a 14th straight Big 12 title and snag a high seed in this year's NCAA Tournament three months from now.

Speaking of the NCAA Tournament,'s Joe Lundardi, Mr. Bracketology himself, penned a quick piece on Thursday called, “Behind the Bracket: Why Kansas is still a No. 1 seed.”

While calling KU's loss to Washington “surprising” and saying that it maybe should have knocked the Jayhawks down to a No. 2 seed, Lunardi explained his reason for keeping them as a No. 1 seed by saying simply, “all (the loss to UW) did was drop the Jayhawks from No. 2 overall to No. 4. The reason is that a bevy of teams sitting just behind KU also went down, some in equally ignominious fashion.”

Lunardi continued:

“Notre Dame? No thanks, lost at home to Ball State in a game the Irish were given a 93 percent chance to win. Florida? Double disaster, lost a pair at home to Florida State (semi-understandable) and Loyola Chicago, averaging 62.5 points in the process. Texas A&M, Virginia and Cincinnati were among other highly ranked unbeatens to suffer their first defeats. So Kansas lives to see another day on the top line. This is significant in large part because the Jayhawks have pretty much made it their permanent home for a staggering seven of the past 11 years. What happens next? Kansas will likely be favored in all but one of its remaining regular-season games (Jan. 15, at West Virginia). Even with Wednesday's loss, the Jayhawks retain No. 1 seed odds of nearly 80 percent.

What happens next for Kansas in the more immediate future is an even tougher test at 1 p.m. Sunday against a red hot and unbeaten Arizona State team that has proven to be an offensive juggernaut so far.

That will put a lot of pressure on the KU defense to play better than it did on Wednesday night. But the Jayhawks, this time out, will have the advantage of playing at Allen Fieldhouse, where the home team often gets the help of a sixth defender that is 16,300 fans strong.

Fan support or not, Self is looking for his team to find another gear to help overcome some of its obvious flaws that may be fixed in time or may linger throughout the rest of the season.

“We're not extremely quick and we're not very big,” he began. “Those are facts. That was evident (Wednesday night). So if you don't play with that chip on your shoulder and play scrappier than your opponent, we're going to have more nights like (Wednesday).”

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Lagerald Vick the lone current Jayhawk to set career-high point total in losing effort

Kansas guard Lagerald Vick (2) comes down off the rim after a dunk during the second half, Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2017 at Sprint Center.

Kansas guard Lagerald Vick (2) comes down off the rim after a dunk during the second half, Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2017 at Sprint Center. by Nick Krug

Thanks to Wednesday night's 74-65 loss to Washington at Sprint Center in Kansas City, Mo., Lagerald Vick now owns the distinction of being the only player on the 2017-18 KU basketball roster to set his career high in a losing effort.

It's a bit of a rare thing for a player at Kansas to post a career-high in a losing effort. But it has happened.

In fact, Frank Mason's 30-point game in a loss to Indiana in last year's season opener was a career-high at the time and Mason's final collegiate career high of 32 points came in a losing effort against Iowa State later in the season.

Andrew Wiggins, the future No. 1 overall pick in the NBA Draft, also set his Kansas career high of 41 points in a losing effort at West Virginia during his lone season at KU.

So it's not as if Vick is in poor company here. But, generally speaking, the biggest games from KU's best players are delivered in victories.

Just take a look at the rest of the roster.

Nine of the 11 other Jayhawks on the 2017-18 roster — freshman Billy Preston and newcomer James Sosinski have yet to score a point in their KU basketball careers — set their career highs in wins. And all but two of those have come this season.

The two that didn't?

Malik Newman's career best of 25 points came in January of 2016, when Newman helped Mississippi State knock off arch rival Ole Miss. And Sam Cunliffe's career high of 23 points came in an Arizona State victory over The Citadel early last season before Cunliffe transferred to Kansas.

While this certainly does not mean anything, good or bad, for Vick or the team the rest of the way, it is at the least mildly interesting. What's more, it seems like a safe bet that if Vick goes on to top the 28-point total he posted on Wednesday night, it likely will come in a Kansas victory.

After all, the reason Vick got loose for his 28 points on Wednesday — a total that easily could have been more if a couple of close-range misses had fallen through — was because the Huskies made it there game plan to let him go and try to beat Kansas elsewhere.

The plan worked. This time. But it's awfully uncommon for a KU opponent to purposely try to allow one guy to score all of the points while still keeping their sights on winning the game.

Here's a quick look at the current career highs of every eligible player on the 2017-18 KU roster:

KU player Career High Opponent Season Result
Devonte' Graham 35 vs. Toledo
vs. Syracuse
2017-18 96-58 KU win
76-60 KU win
Lagerald Vick 28 vs. Washington 2017-18 74-65 KU loss
Svi Mykhailiuk 27 vs. South Dakota State 2017-18 98-64 KU win
Malik Newman 25 vs. Ole Miss (at MSU) 2015-16 83-77 MSU win
Sam Cunliffe 23 vs. The Citadel (at ASU) 2016-17 127-110 ASU win
Udoka Azubuike 21 vs. Oakland 2017-18 102-59 KU win
Marcus Garrett 13 vs. Texas Southern 2017-18 114-71 KU win
Mitch Lightfoot 11 vs. Oakland 2017-18 102-59 KU win
Chris Teahan 4 vs. Toledo 2017-18 96-58 KU win
Clay Young 3 vs. Tennessee State 2017-18 92-56 KU win
Billy Preston &
James Sosinski
N/A Neither player has scored
a point for KU yet

Postgame Report Card: Washington 74, Kansas 65

Washington guard Matisse Thybulle (4) grabs a rebound over Kansas guard Clay Young (21) and Kansas guard Marcus Garrett (0) during the first half, Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2017 at Sprint Center.

Washington guard Matisse Thybulle (4) grabs a rebound over Kansas guard Clay Young (21) and Kansas guard Marcus Garrett (0) during the first half, Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2017 at Sprint Center. by Nick Krug

Quick grades for five aspects of KU’s 74-65 loss to Washington on Tuesday night at Sprint Center in Kansas City, Mo.

Offense: C-

Outside of Lagerald Vick, who, himself, had a few ups and downs but also delivered a career-high 28 points, the KU offense struggled to deliver good possessions and had a tough time getting leading scorer Devonte' Graham good looks. The offense was bad for most of the night, but Vick's effort pulled it into the C range.

Defense: D

There were times when the KU defense looked good. But those were few and far between and scarce in the second half. Washington opened the second half by doing and getting whatever it wanted on the offensive end to build a sizable lead and the Huskies' second-chance points proved to be a big part of this one.

Frontcourt: D+

The zone again proved to bother Azubuike, but the big fella enjoyed moments of being the kind of factor he needs to be for this team. First-half foul trouble for both him and Mitch Lightfoot again hamstrung KU coach Bill Self.

Backcourt: C-

Good thing for Lagerald Vick. Otherwise, this one could have really been ugly. Devonte' Graham had an off night shooting the ball but did not really do much to pull himself out of it. Malik Newman was non-existent again and Svi Mykhailiuk missed six of his eight 3-point attempts and made more than a couple careless passes.

Bench: D

On a night when KU coach Bill Self needed a spark from someone off the bench, he got next to nothing from Marcus Garrett and Mitch Lightfoot and once again was forced to use walk-on Clay Young in the first half.

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Graham’s monster games the first of their kind at KU since 1970

Kansas guard Devonte' Graham (4) puts up a three over Syracuse guard Frank Howard (23) during the second half, Saturday, Dec. 2, 2017 at American Airlines Arena in Miami.

Kansas guard Devonte' Graham (4) puts up a three over Syracuse guard Frank Howard (23) during the second half, Saturday, Dec. 2, 2017 at American Airlines Arena in Miami. by Nick Krug

Andrew Wiggins (41), Elijah Johnson (39) and Ben McLemore (36) all scored more points in a single game during their time as Jayhawks than current KU senior Devonte' Graham scored last week.

But, unlike Graham, who tallied a career-high 35 points in back to back wins over Toledo and Syracuse last week, none of them were able to follow up their outbursts with quite the same kind of performance the next game out.

Wiggins came the closest, scoring 30 points in an overtime win over Oklahoma State in the 2014 Big 12 tournament, five days after scoring 41 in a loss at West Virginia.

But Johnson followed up his big game with a much more modest 12-point night in a win over West Virginia. Johnson did add 10 assists and five rebounds to his line. And what's funny about Johnson's follow-up game was that it was the night that McLemore scored his 36.

McLemore then followed that up with a 13-point effort on Senior Night in 2013.

According to KU's media relations staff, Graham's back-to-back games of 35 points last week marked the first time since the 1969-70 season that a Jayhawk had scored 35 or more in back to back games.

That player was former KU center and 14-year NBA veteran Dave Robisch, who tallied 39 points against Iowa State and 38 against Colorado the next time out during a pair of conference games back in 1970.

Graham's two 35-point outings set a new career high for the senior from Raleigh, N.C., — eclipsing the old mark of 27 — and all seemed to come within the flow of KU's offense, without the point guard forcing the action or seeking his own shot to the detriment of the team.

“I've always coached 'em down to the point where we haven't had very many (players put up huge point totals),” Self said this week, when asked about Graham's big nights. “Wiggs got 41 at West Virginia because we were behind and a lot of them were catch-up points. But we haven't had very many of them get that number. ...Wilt (Chamberlain) probably did it a couple times.”

Self continued: “Elijah got like 39 or something against Iowa State, but that was an overtime game. So, as far as in the teeth of a game, Devonte' had 35 with eight minutes left against Toledo and he had 35 with about five minutes left against Syracuse. So, yeah, I don't know if we've had anybody ever score the ball that well when the game was still in balance, so to speak. Because a lot of times guys get points by being ahead late and they (shoot free throws) or being behind and then you have real short possessions. This was not a case of either one of those.”


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KU football player James Sosinski expected to be in uniform with KU basketball on Wednesday night

James Sosinski's KU football head shot.

James Sosinski's KU football head shot. by Matt Tait

Before Monday's practice, Kansas basketball coach Bill Self said he wanted a couple more days to evaluate KU football tight end and potential KU basketball walk-on James Sosinski before giving him an outright spot on the team.

Evidently, Self saw enough on Monday to alter the timeline.

Monday night, on his weekly Hawk Talk radio show, Self revealed that Sosinski, the 6-foot-7, 260-pound tight end with a junior college basketball background, had impressed enough to earn a uniform and a spot on the bench.

“We’ve decided that he’s going to suit up for us. So he’ll travel with us,” Self said on Monday night. “That doesn’t mean you should expect him to get in the game, stuff like that. Because he wouldn’t play ahead of other guys yet.”

Self said Monday that the former South Mountain Community College standout, who received Division I hoops offers after just averaging 19 points and 12 rebounds in just one semester with South Mountain, had impressed him thus far through his basketball IQ and physical strength.

Although he figures to remain a deep insurance policy and primarily is expected to help the Jayhawks in practice by providing a physical presence for 7-foot center Udoka Azubuike to battle with, Self was not ruling out a potentially bigger role.

“Who knows, if a month from now we’re playing somebody and they are hurting us and we need to steal a couple of minutes because they’ve got a big guy that's laying on us, maybe he can go out and neutralize that,” Self said of Sosinski. “Or maybe he can go out and foul the heck out of somebody really hard. I think he can be an asset.”

Beyond that, Self said Sosinski also would benefit the the Jayhawks just by traveling with the team.

“When we go to places and shoot on the day of the game, in order to get our seven guys who are playing the majority of the minutes out there, they're going to be guarded by (walk-ons) Clay (Young), (Chris) Teahan and three managers. ...Getting a big guy out there that can at least lay on 'Dok will be an asset for us.”

In many ways, Sosinski already is.

“I noticed (during Monday's practice), when he would screen somebody it was different than when some other guys screen you. He’ll hit you. He really has done pretty well.”

Although Sosinski had not yet been added to KU's official roster as of Tuesday morning, a basketball official said KU's newest big man would wear No. 55 for the Jayhawks.

“He is a good player,” Self said. “He’s a nice young man. I think he’ll be good for us.”

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