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Wild world of recruiting strikes again as KU commitment Josh Moore backs out

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Late Tuesday night, Kansas University football commitment Josh Moore took to Twitter to announce that he no longer was headed to KU.

Moore, a 6-foot-5, 250-pound tight end who many believed could easily develop into a defensive end or offensive tackle, played for new KU on-campus recruiting coordinator Gene Wier at Olathe North and committed to the Jayhawks in late October.

The three-star prospect who had offers from a bunch of impressive schools, including Auburn, Florida State, Missouri, Nebraska, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and TCU, among others, picked Kansas largely because of his fondness for then-interim head coach Clint Bowen.

Even though Bowen remained on staff when KU hired David Beaty, something inspired a change of heart for Moore, who initially was committed to Ohio State before picking Kansas. It's possible that the change in leadership was enough to change his mind, but, according to a few people I've talked to about his recruitment, it's more likely that Moore may not wind up qualifying academically and may have to go the junior-college route.

It's still too early to know exactly what happened or even what will happen, but we'll definitely know a lot more next Wednesday, when the members of KU's Class of 2015 sign their national letters of intent. At this point, it looks unlikely that Moore will be one of them.

If Moore winds up elsewhere, he will have been the third significant prospect to fall off of KU's recruiting list in the past few days, as three-star wide receiver Kevin Thomas de-committed from KU and chose SMU and three-star Dallas athlete Arico Evans backed out of his pledge to Kansas to commit to TCU.

Regardless of what happened here, you can bet the KU coaches are working around the clock and will continue to do so up until signing day. And it's likely they already had a couple back-up plans in place to help offset these losses.

Here's a quick look at the Twitter messages Moore fired off on Tuesday night. The strong words against Wier should be taken with a grain of salt given that we don't yet know exactly what's going on with Moore or where he will wind up. I should also point out that I've heard nothing but good things about Wier's hiring and the job he's done since joining the KU football program.

A lot of people don't get it, and it's not always fun, but this kind of thing is not all that uncommon in the recruiting world. And the whole thing only seems to be getting crazier and crazier by the class.

Comments

Doug Cramer 2 years, 6 months ago

Gil and Weis have left this program about as low as it could go. I mean this is worse than what Terry Allen left it.

I encourage KU fan to keep expectations in check these next couple or three seasons. It's going to take some time to get talent at a Big 12 level. Right now we're no where close to our fellow Big 12 programs.

Dale Rogers 2 years, 6 months ago

I agree that Mangino's ship was sinking. A simple look at the last half of his final season makes that rather clear.

Bryan Mohr 2 years, 6 months ago

Mangino's ship was sinking because the administration above him was leading a mutiny and Reesing was playing banged-up. Mangino was 5-7 in 2009, and only lost by 7 to KSU, 2 to MU, 14 to NU, and 4 to CU. Guess what? Good coaches do have down years. Bill Snyder 2004: 4-7, 2005: 5-6. KSU replaced Snyder after '05, but later corrected their mistake. Not saying Mangino is a Snyder, but far better than anything since he left. So, my version is "firing Mangino a colossal mistake, hiring Gill a colossal mistake, hiring Weis a colossal mistake". If Beaty can coach like Mangino then he will do just fine despite losing a couple good recruits.

Brad Farha 2 years, 6 months ago

Agreed. Reesing got his injury (groin I think) in the 5th game of 2009, and it was never the same after that.

Micky Baker 2 years, 6 months ago

I don't buy that Weir tried to force him to go to Kansas. He decommitted from Ohio State, which isn't Weir's favorite school. Sorry, but the kid seems like a basket case to me. We need kids with more character and commitment than this.

David A. Smith 2 years, 6 months ago

He is a kid trying to make a very big decision. He didn't say anything too inflamatory. Best of luck to the kid.

Kevin Fest 2 years, 6 months ago

Ok now this class is officially a disaster. Moore leaves possibly for academic reasons (go to class kids) Thomas switches to SMU of all places but I hear his high school coach was recently put on staff there and Evans switches to TCU now who wouldn't want to play for a top 5 program and a program definitely on the rise. But either KU football has the stink of death or something else is going on. I don't want to hear the KU staff is working around the clock we know this but recruits are decomitting already I thought Beaty was a great recruiter, our best recruits are leaving already. He gets them to come but can't get them to stay. I'm not to impressed with the kids that are comitted I was definitely encouraged and anticipated the upcoming season now not so much this is going to be a long process.

David A. Smith 2 years, 6 months ago

What happens on paper should stay on paper. We have a lot of former high impact players (like Talib) that were 2 stars guys out of high school. We can't judge our class on stars, although it is tempting. Many four and five stars have already peaked and fizzle out in college. Many 2 and 3 stars have a high ceiling, and are only in need of development. This class, and our coaches deserve a shot to prove themselves.

David A. Smith 2 years, 6 months ago

Oh, believe me Brett...I couldn't agree more. But, the fact does remain that many of our guys on the Orange Bowl team were not highly sought. A recent example is Ben Heeney, who was only offered by KU and Colorado State.

I did not intend to say that we should shoot for 2 and 3 star guys and coach them up every year, especially given that Beaty's stated emphasis (and known strength) is recruiting.

But, this is his first class and getting the 4 star guys will take time. In the mean time, lets see how this class can be developed. Development will be key, and I'm not sold on Snyder being the only guy that can do this in the Big 12.

Frankly, that needs to be true in our case- because we will need success on the field to consistently land highly sought players. And that will have to happen with the personnel we have.

Aaron Paisley 2 years, 6 months ago

Two of the recruits (Moore and Thomas) committed before the coaching change and the other (Evans) got a better offer. Nothing out of the ordinary for the situation os happening right now.

Mark Lindrud 2 years, 6 months ago

I would not say this class is a disaster because a few recruits switched. It seems like a solid class, and we still have 3 spots to fill. We do not know what kind of kids we have until at least their sophomore years anyway.

Michael Maris 2 years, 6 months ago

Well, according to JayhawkSlant, the Jayhawks walk-on program is really shaping up. I'm not all that excited about a ton of walk-on's. But, that was one of the focus points for Coach Beaty in his introductory press conference. So, we'll see how many of these walk-on's can earn themselves scholarships in the coming seasons.

I'm agreement with Brett McCabe on Josh Moore's lashing out against Coach Wier. Perhaps J. Moore will mature enough to realize you don't burn your bridges.

Jim Stauffer 2 years, 6 months ago

First of all, many have known of his academic failures for some time. The kid is bitter and immature which may be natural outgrowths of his predicament, but he brought it on himself by not getting the grades.

You have to ask yourself if he, like many, felt college ball was owed him. No, kid, you have to grow up. A kid this immature was not going to do well against guys who are becoming men out there.

From a talent standpoint it is a big loss, but this staff will continue on. First they will coach up the players currently on the roster and they will gradually upgrade the roster. That is not going to be noticeable until the wins start to come.

Layne Pierce 2 years, 6 months ago

Hey Let's get real people. Did we really think that Coach Beatty was just going to come in here and start recruiting all three stars and four stars. He has begun the process, and he is doing it rigiht, not brininging in a bunch of junior college players, or senior transfers.

Let's give the staff a chance to show what they can do over time, and more importantly what they do with developing the players who do come to KU.

Moore is one player. As a matter of fact there is not even a guarantee that he could have beaten Ben Johnson out for a starting position anyway.

One year bandwagon fans, heads up, we need to circle the wagons. We are looking for day to day, positive progress, systematic progress, bigger than a singler recruit or recruits.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk KU

Michael Lorraine 2 years, 6 months ago

Much of our failure on the field can be attributed to the lack of talent but more of it can be attributed to coaching. Take what you have and make the best of it. We’re not the only program with recruiting issues.

Jake Moore 2 years, 6 months ago

To call a recruiting class a disaster before they've set foot on a football field is a little ridiculous. If you only look at stars to determine football ability you should probably stop caring about Kansas football. One thing we won't beat out top schools for 4/5* recruits very often if ever, and college is all about being able to develop players. Yes, it would be nice to get the more highly touted players, but recruiting is a crap shoot. Give the kids time to develop before you right them off because stars are given out with several different circumstances involved.

Jeff Dean 2 years, 6 months ago

Football verbal "commitments" are a joke. Nothing matters until they sign. This does not seem to happen in basketball, or am a I a spoiled KUBB fan?

Ryan Woods 2 years, 6 months ago

While I'm sure not everyone agrees, we need jerseys that today's athletes really want to play in. It's not something that is overly important, but it is something that could tip the scales in our favor. At this point, every little advantage KU could have is needed. It may not have mattered 15 years ago, but it's important to the kids today.

There was a study recently done that overwhelmingly showed Nike was the favorite apparel brand for football athletes to wear. Only 7% of athletes said Adidas was their favorite, which was less than half of those who said Under Armour! Here's the link to that information: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kai-sato/new-data-reveals-nikes-do_b_6551198.html

Here's another link to a discussion about apparel and recruiting: http://www.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/maryland-terrapins-oregon-ducks-can-apparel-deals-sway-college-football-recruits-092111?GT1=39002

Aaron Paisley 2 years, 6 months ago

If the logo on the uniform (Nike, Adidas, Under Armour) plays a major role in a kid's decision, that's not a kid worth recruiting because his priorities are more about how he looks than how a coaching staff can develop him to make him the best player possible and that's not a kid worth recruiting.

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