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Coaching Search 2014: Another hypothetical example of the trickle-down effect

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1:44 p.m. update:

There was a Tweet out there — isn't there always? — that said that the KU job had been offered to Ohio State assistant coach Ed Warinner.

I talked to plenty of sources today, both before and after the Tweet, who said no offer has been made and that KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger and the search committee were still in the process of trimming down their list and identifying the finalists.

Warinner may very well be in that group and there have been reports that said he was one of the guys who participated in the phone interview with members of the committee this week, but reports of an offer having been made to anybody are definitely premature.

I've been told from the very beginning that Warinner would likely get a chance to interview. That has not changed and he may well be one of the final few guys who gets a face-to-face interview with Zenger and company next week. Time will tell.

Stay tuned for the latest from the search, which is starting to catch some heat given how quickly Florida and Nebraska filled their openings. None of that should matter to KU, though, other than in the obvious way that the openings at Colorado State and Oregon State could impact what KU's doing.

Original post: 9:30 a.m.

It's a little early for an update but I was able to get on the phones a little quicker today and found out a few interesting tidbits that might impact the KU coaching search.

The first has to do with Texas A&M offensive coordinator Jake Spavital, who, according to a report from the Houston Chronicle recently interviewed for the head coach opening at Tulsa, which is his hometown.

The news of Spavital's interview was first reported by KRIV-TV and confirmed by the Tulsa World.

According to a couple of people I've talked with, it sounds very likely that Spavital will get that Tulsa job, which, obviously, would leave open the OC job at A&M. That's where things get interesting for Kansas and for two very different reasons.

  1. If Spavital leaves, one could make a case for Beaty being the obvious choice to replace him as the Aggies OC and that could come with a significant raise and be enticing enough to make him pull his name from contention for the KU job.

  2. On the opposite end of the spectrum, if Spavital leaves and A&M coach Kevin Sumlin chooses to put someone other than Beaty into the OC job, it would open up some questions as to why Beaty was passed over a second time for that OC job. When talking about Beaty as an option for the KU job, many have said it would be hard enough to envision KU hiring someone who's not even a current coordinator, but wouldn't the hire be even more difficult to sell with a guy who keeps getting passed up?

It's things like this that make the whole timeline of this hire very critical. The more these other moves happen around KU, the more possible it is that they impact the KU job. That's not to say each instance has a direct effect on what KU is actually doing, but, in the coaching world — especially as far as the fans and media are involved — perception is almost as important as reality.

And it's things like this that leave me believing Clint Bowen still has a very good shot of getting this job.

Here's a look:

1. Clint Bowen – 38%
2. David Beaty – 30%
3. Other – 23%
4. Ed Warinner — 5%
5. Tim Beck — 4%

Stay logged on to KUsports.com for more updates throughout the day.

Comments

Matthew Gaylor 7 years ago

Nebraska just hired Mike Riley from Oregon State

kellerman411 7 years ago

This was big. That fills a huge mid west vacancy

Stephen Johnson 7 years ago

Zenger needs to make a decision, NU just hired their HC

Kyle Sybesma 7 years ago

To be competitive in the Big 12 we need an offensive minded coach. That's what we had when we won the Orange Bowl with Mangino and Warinner. Ed's my guy. His resume is great and he's worked under big names like Brian Kelly and Urban Meyer.

Look at Meyer's coaching tree.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2014/10/ohio_state_urban_meyer_coachin.html

Allison Steen 7 years ago

You don't have to be an offensive minded head coach if you have a good offensive coordinator.

Aaron Paisley 7 years ago

Kyle, Bob Stoops and Gary Patterson say you don't need an offensive minded HC to be highly successful in the Big 12.

Calvin Miller 7 years ago

OU's offense has not been good this year with Heupel as OC. Patterson just hired a new OC because his offense was weak.

Kyle Sybesma 7 years ago

Outside of Bowen it appears that offense is the focus of Zenger.

Beaty - WR coach & Recruiting Coordinater

Warinner - Co- OC

Beck - OC

Brandon Mahon 7 years ago

I don't mean any disrespect but there is no way that Warinner should be the OC behind Beck or beck should even be an OC... He was terrible for UNL

Kyle Sybesma 7 years ago

I was listing their current titles not the titles they should have with KU. I was pointing out that Zenger appears to be pursuing an offensive minded coach.

David A. Smith 7 years ago

Disagree. That's a possible bridge burner.

Calvin Miller 7 years ago

Help me understand this---Warinner would take a co-OC position at KU rather than keep his co-OC position at tOSU? Got it.

Kyle Sybesma 7 years ago

No. I'm stating their current positions to point out that Zenger is pursuing an offensive minded coach which may put Bowen at the back of the line.

Erich Hartmann 7 years ago

I saw Bowen directly say during his final press conference that he learned he CANNOT be HC and DC at the same time. There simply isnt enough time to properly attend to both, he said. I'm sure some of you saw that press conference.

Joe Joseph 7 years ago

This is why firing Weis early in the season was beneficial. At least, it was supposed to be.

The longer it takes Zenger to make a decision, the greater the odds Bowen becomes the next head coach. With the sting of the KSU and OU spankings starting to ease, I'm starting to warm back up to the idea of Bowen being named HC. For no better reason than "why not."

Robert Brock 7 years ago

Here's why not: Bowen has never shown excellence in any of the positions that he has held. If he is the choice, KU will definitely be going to a non-P5 conference when the GOR runs out. Hiring Bowen would be the signal that KU will not be taking FB seriously.

Chris Bailey 7 years ago

To me this is more reason Bowen won't get the job. If he were gonna get the job why wait? Why draw it out? He's obviously not first choice or he'd have the job. Doesn't mean he won't get it but if I were the AD I'd hire him asap and get this thing done. That's why my gut tells me he isn't the guy or aylt least the top choice. I really think they are gonna offer to someone else and we won't know until they make the hire. We can hash on here for the next week and as much as Matt has put into it yes he will know before we do but my guess is even Matt won't know until the coach has been hired. They can't offer and have the job turned down and still have the candidate pool. How many people wanna hear they were choice two or choice five? No disrespect. This is just my gut.

Joe Joseph 7 years ago

I hear what you're saying. I think it's very fair to say that Bowen was/is not Zenger's top choice.

I see the extended search time, however, as Zenger's top choice(s) declining or being reluctant to accept the job. I could be very wrong. But if Zenger has been putting out feelers and contacting people for weeks now, I would have expected a quicker decision. But maybe that's just the domino effect getting to me. I guess it hasn't been that long since the season ended. But when guys like Beaty and Warinner - guys who have never even been full fledged coordinators at the D1 level - are rumored to be lead candidates, and a decision still hasn't been made? That's why I think Zenger is having a tougher time getting this thing locked up, which means his backup plan, Bowen, is looking more likely.

Again, all in my really-not-much-of-a-clue-what-im-talking-about opinion.

Chris Bailey 7 years ago

Haha yeah I'm obviously just throwing my uneducated coaching search guess too. Just my feeling but I,could be,way off base. Sorry I,can't see what I'm typing well my,mom,is,in,ICU,at Hays just hoped on to,take a quick,min away from the stressful situation.,I'm,really not illiterate,, and,understand how to punctuate just hard to see,, But anyway I'm sure we'll know our,new guy soon we may all be wrong. Good stuff well except for the typos sorry. :)

Aaron Paisley 7 years ago

A different way to view the situation if Spavital gets the Tulsa job and Sumlin names someone other than Beaty as OC. I'm sure Sumlin knows that Beaty is considered one of the two favorites for the KU job and the uncertainty of Beaty's future at A&M is likely enough to make Sumlin look elsewhere for a new OC. If I were in Sumlin's shoes, I personally would be hesitant to promote someone who may not be around.

What will likely happen if Spavital gets the Tulsa job before the KU job is filled is that Sumlin will wait to see what happens with the KU job first before naming a new OC.

Allison Steen 7 years ago

If you think you have a good OC already there, you are going to do your best to hire him. If Beaty is overlooked as OC, its because Sumlin doesn't think he's a good fit.

Matt Tait 7 years ago

That's the way I would read it.

Chris Oestreich 7 years ago

Matt, I am curious as to why you only have Warinner at a 5% chance?

Kyle Helmer 7 years ago

Matt, any insight on the kid from UDK reporting that Warriner has been offered the job?

Jonathan Allison 7 years ago

How much does Sumlin value his Recruiting Coordinator? If his RC is just as important as his OC, then he may be willing to promote Beaty in order to keep recruiting in tact.

If he isn't quick to try to keep Beaty, then to me that's a red flag. However, if Sumlin does offer the job to Beaty, then Beaty will almost certainly use it as leverage to get a better deal for Beaty.

If he can leverage a comparable salary to be OC at A&M as to be the HC at KU then he likely stays at A&M, because then he's likely got a better shot to be successful and advance his career quicker.

Calvin Miller 7 years ago

The RC is tyoically the weakest coach on staff. Athletes in Texas beg to play for Sumlin at aTm----recruiting there is essentially choosing among the multiple high level athletes.

Christopher Parry 7 years ago

I worry if we hire Bowen that the results will be the same. Blow out after blow out, one game where they look like they can hang but still lose and then another blow out. I want to believe that Bowen is the guy but I don't really believe it.

Doug Cramer 7 years ago

You're perception of Bowen is highly justified....based off his past performances.

Glen Miller 7 years ago

I'm kind of sick of you bashing on this guy every chance you get. WE ALL GET IT.... you don't want him as coach. It's growing very tiresome to read your tired lines over and over again stating the same thing.

Dale Rogers 7 years ago

I think before we can justify thoughts like that we have to see how Bowen can recruit and how he can develop talent. Once he has a chance to develop his players and begins to get his recruits in place, then we can judge his performance based on wins and losses. Any attempt to make that judgment at this point is pure speculation based on very little fact.

David A. Smith 7 years ago

That just makes no sense to me. He was given no chance to fire anyone, no chance to have a recruiting class of his own, no full season, and...he had to rebuild the morale of a team, instill disciplined play, revamp an ailing offense, make people believe, and...win...all with what was dealt. With all of this considered, he did beat ISU and nearly beat TCU and OSU. What he accomplished in a short stretch with no addtional resources at all was remarkable.

Cody Riedy 7 years ago

Positions now open at Oregon St and Colorado State - those opening probably shouldn't effect KU's search much, though I suppose one could make the case for taking the Oregon State job over KU.

Chris Oestreich 7 years ago

Cody, I am concerned it is just the opposite. One could make a case that the program at CSU is established and you just have to go in and add your touches. As for OSU, I think they are looking at the same type of guy as KU but probably from a different pool. CSU might give us a run if we were looking at the same candidate.

Cody Riedy 7 years ago

I think your right about the KU/OrSt comparison. With CSU though, I'm not sure why you'd coach in the mountain west or whatever there in now when you could coach in the B12, unless you see both programs as stepping stones to something bigger and think CSU is a surer and easier step.

Chris Oestreich 7 years ago

It is a stepping stone for a big time OC that is getting impatient. Ego drives us coaches to want to move quick when our opportunity doesnt come quickly. CSU has a history of success, can compete in its conference and unless they are losing the core of their players it would be attractive for a guy like Beatty

John Fitzgerald 7 years ago

Here's my percentage wheel: Bowen 59%, Other: 41%

When I say Other I mean someone other than a name currently mentioned in Taits wheel. I think it's Bowens job to lose. They're waiting because they want to see what other names pop up or if a big name will show interest. Otherwise they'd offer Beaty or Bowen right now. They've had plenty of time to mull this over so the waiting game is just to see if they can do better. Again, it'll either be Bowen or a big name that miraculously pops up on the list late in the search.

Jonathan Allison 7 years ago

so you're giving Beaty, Warinner, and Beck a 0% chance?

John Fitzgerald 7 years ago

Just a guess my friend .. not even an educated one. So basically I'm probably wrong Lol

Aaron Paisley 7 years ago

The biggest factor in Bowen's candidacy will be who on staff he would retain and who does he have in mind to fill out the rest of the staff. To me, there are 3 coaches on staff worth retaining if Bowen gets the job.

Eric Kiesau is a very good OC and WR's coach. The improvement in the WR's this year was incredible and defenses actually had to defend KU's receivers this year.

Reggie Mitchell, the man is an elite recruiter and top level RB's coach. I was impressed with how quickly Corey Avery developed as a RB and I think he will be a great playmaker with a better OLine in front of him.

Lastly Dave Campo, his name gets some time with just about any recruit in the DFW area and he's gotten KU some talent out of DFW that KU wouldn't have gotten without the former Dallas Cowboys HC leading the charge. I don't know what his interest level in continuing to coach at KU is going beyond even if Bowen gets the job, but he is a ridiculously valuable asset to KU football.

Cody Riedy 7 years ago

I agree with you on all these points; perhaps the biggest coaching question should be who is the new DC if Bowen is hired.

Cody Riedy 7 years ago

Ah yes, the QB coach - i think that is one spot where everyone agrees change is due. I also wonder if Reagan would stay on as an OL coach. He like Kiseau may get burned here by having joined the sinking ship of Weis this season, such is the fate of assistant coaches though.

Jay Hawkinson 7 years ago

I think it's also safe to say that Matsakis isn't the answer on special teams. I've also been underwhelmed with the safeties, it seems like we have talent there, but they always look lost. Campo should be able coach the whole secondary, and we need to get rid of a position coach to make room for the head coach if it isn't Bowen, or a defensive coordinator if Bowen gets the head job.

I think Holsopple is a question mark. We have struggled at the line of scrimmage, and you have to think that he deserves some blame.

Ray Winger 7 years ago

Many of the DB's are very complementary regarding the Coaching of Campo. Blasco Recruiting. Don't Discount Reagan...he hasn't had much to work with.

AJ Cleland 7 years ago

Nebraska hires an HC in a week! Zenger goes through analysis paralysis for over 2 months, when the right guy is already at KU. HIRE BOWEN!!

W Keith Swinehart II 7 years ago

I'm sure Nebraska had prepared long before letting Pelini go.

Ron Prichard 7 years ago

No! A hundred times no! Take your time and get it right! If Bowen is your guy, he's not going anywhere. So make sure it is the right choice and that there aren't any other candidates out there that are better. Just because you and I get impatient isn't any reason for Zenger to rush this decision. He may not get another chance if he gets this one wrong.

Waylon Cook 7 years ago

Mike Riley long made fun of for bone headed mistakes coaching, now being built up by the media on ESPN within minutes as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I saw where Bohl was "too old" for a big time job at 56 but Riley goes to NU at 61?

Screw it Zenger just call Pelini. We still won't have the oddest head coach hire if we did that.

Gavin Fritton 7 years ago

Matt,

I appreciate that the OC job at a big football school like A&M is a great gig. Obviously, they'd pay well and the job has tons of upside. But is there really a way that an OC gig, even at a football school in a well-populated, football-crazy state is better than being head coach at a school in a power 5 conference? I realize there are downsides to being at KU (not a "football school," not a great natural recruiting state, being captive to K-State's dreams of torturing us year in and year out, etc.), but how often, really, is he realistically going to get the chance to coach a power five school in a head coaching capacity? And would A&M really be able to pay their OC more than KU could pay their head coach? (And, yes, I understand KU has been burned, badly, by overpaying for football coaches so we might try to go a little cheap, but if money is the deciding factor, is he really the right guy for this job in the first place?)

Fred Davis 7 years ago

Everybody clamoring for David Beaty as if he's going to be such a better fit than Clint Bowen or that he's that much more accomplished is delirious....

Sure, Beaty has recruited well at TAM, but that school is on fire right now and I'm not as sold on his recruiting exploits as everyone else.. Not to mention, it's not as though he brought in any All-Americans while at KU.. And the fact that he has been passed over for an OC job yet for some reason he's ready to be a head coach is beyond concerning to me.... He's no more qualified to be the head coach of Kansas than Bowen, and in reality, he's less qualified in my eyes.... Bowen is far better equipped philisophically to take over at Kansas and he demonstrated within a HALF that the KU offense was in dire need of a change, and he made it. Bowen isn't stupid, sure he may be a defensive guy, but he realizes the importance of a great offense that who knows, in addition to actually putting points on the board, might give his defense a break and keep them off the field for a change...

I threw this out earlier in the week with a hint of jest, and it's a pipe dream, but I'd be all over a Jim Tressel type with Bowen as the coach in waiting... either way, I wouldn't rule out an established coach taking the reins with Bowen waiting in the wings....

Dale Rogers 7 years ago

I believe it's more accurate to describe Bowen as a "football guy" rather than a "defensive guy." His recent experience is on the defensive side but you can bet he's well versed in what it takes to succeed on the offensive side. After all, those guys on the O side are the ones his defensive guys are going against. Surely he studies those offenses looking for holes, etc.

Robert Brown 7 years ago

The NU hiring is very curious to me. Riley couldn't have been the first choice. I have to assume others tuned down NU. The Oregon State job is easier than KU but still hard, probably the second most difficult job in the conference. It is hard to imagine that KU will compete with OSU for a head coach.

Of the guys on the wheel, I would stick with hiring Bowen for a lot less than a more established coach and use the additional funds to assemble a top notch staff.

Gavin Fritton 7 years ago

Rumor on Twitter is that Nebraska offered it to Bielema and he took a pass, this Riley.

Al Martin 7 years ago

I understand that it's just a rumor, but it makes some sense. I couldn't see why Bielema would come back to Nebraska when he had just left another very good, winning Big Ten position at Wisconsin.

Doug Cramer 7 years ago

Hey Matt - Have you heard what Reagan is doing ? I wonder if Reagan is going after any of these offensive coordinator positions.

That guy was just thrown to the wolves by Zenger and Bowen.

Lance Cheney 7 years ago

Thrown to the wolves because he produced nothing as OC.

Jonathan Allison 7 years ago

He was thrown to the wolves by Charlie Weis.

"I've screwed this offense up about as bad as possible, and run off all of the most promising future talent... what sucker can I find that will take over this mess for me?"

Glen Miller 7 years ago

You want to bash all over Bowen, but say that Raegan was thrown to the wolves?? His offense didn't do squat, zip, zero, nada...... that's why he lost the OC position. The funny thing is, the guy you think doesn't deserve a shot is the one who made the switch and guess what.... our offense was vastly improved. Now I really can't take your insight seriously.

W Keith Swinehart II 7 years ago

And Reagan hasn't been thrown to the wolves either.

Andy Tweedy 7 years ago

I "think" what I read in one of the threads replying to Matt's article (started by Aaron) was basically "keep everyone except Powlus." REALLY? Maybe Bowen is a good fit, but I think it was essentially suggested that we keep the staff in tact after going 3-9. In that thread, we kept Bowen, Kiesau, Reagan, Blasco, Mitchell and Campo. I guess Powlus and our special teams guy were the problem? And maybe Powlus wasn't so bad, I mean we now know that Cummings really did improve under his tutelage. I say keep them all!!! {I can't find the sarcasm font}

Cody Riedy 7 years ago

Mitchell - I thought it was common consensus that he has been a successful and our key recruiter. The RB position has been our best and most consistent position throughout the past several years, so why get rid of him?

Blasko - TE/Coach, Jimmay Mundine had a breakout season that has got him national attention and turned him into a possible NFL prospect. Also, I believe Blasko was listed as a the key recruiter on some of our better signings recently. Why get rid of him?

Campo - DB/Coach, a recruiting commodity for Texas, and though we gave up big plays, our pass defense isn't the first place I'd look for assigning blame for our losses this season. We may have more NFL prospects in our Defensive backfield than anywhere else on the field. They guys in semi-retirement and a kind of figurehead for the program.

Kiseau - WR Coach/ OC. After producing nothing for four years straight, we suddenly had not only competent, but impressive WR performance. He took over mid season and suddenly for the first time in years we had at least in streaks, a real functioning college offense.

Jay Hawkinson 7 years ago

I'm not saying most of the staff should be kept, just that there are only 2-3 guys (Powlus, Matsakis, Vestal) who obviously deserve to lose their jobs. Everyone else has something going for them - recruiting, success at previous stops, etc. But at the same time, I would say Mitchell and Campo are the only ones who undeniably deserve to kept.

I like Kiseau, but he may not be a great fit given his west coast roots and given that if Beaty and/or Beck end up on the next staff in some capacity, they might handle the WRs. I agree with Cody that Mundine's performance suggests Blasko knows what he's doing, but he came with Weis and has recruited mostly JUCOs so far, so he might not fit either.

Reagan and Wyatt are the toughest calls. Neither has had good units here, but they also coach the positions where KU is arguably at its biggest talent disadvantage relative to the other teams in the conference. It seems like Reagan is back to his old ways of patching together a solid line with walk-ons, 2-star recruits and converted tight ends, and Wyatt can recruit Texas. So I wouldn't be upset if they were back next year, but they should be on short leashes.

Andy Tweedy 7 years ago

This is kind of a reply to both you and Cody. Don't get me wrong, I can see the validity in the arguments you make and it could be 100% true that their problems were really trickle down problems from the top. But you have to admit, if you look at the full body of the thread and think about the fact that it is essentially keeping the majority of the staff that clearly didn't get results, it's kind of hard for me to wrap my arms around that!

Jay Hawkinson 7 years ago

I actually agree. Many individual members of this staff look good in isolation, but for whatever reason the whole was less than the sum of the parts. I'm just pointing out that there aren't many obvious scapegoats beyond Weis. A shakeup is needed. I just don't want to see a repeat of what happened when Gill was hired and he replaced literally the entire staff.

My hope is that either Warinner or Beaty gets the job and brings several assistants from their current school, while keeping a few people like Reggie Mitchell.

Cody Riedy 7 years ago

I understand your point; I just don't think that constant and total turnover is necessarily necessary or helpful. I also tend to think that at a certain point the gap between a lot of the coaches and others is probably not that much. As with many things the differences between success/failure are sometimes pretty clear cut but are just as often complex, interrelated, and ambiguous.

Aaron Paisley 7 years ago

Not at all what I said. I said only Kiesau, Mitchell, and Campo are truly worth keeping off this current staff if Bowen gets the job.

Erich Hartmann 7 years ago

Man, you guys dont miss the point: any coordinator can look great when he has better talent to execute his ideas with. Hey, best example is Charlie Weis's 1 season with the Chiefs, where he had NFL talent, while at KU he had dismal talent, and pisspoor O-line...didnt matter what 5star QB you put back there, and then the WRs couldnt catch x 2yrs, until frankly, we wholesale imported new guys (Harwell, King).

We simply need better talent, at every position. HARD to judge a position coach when they only have a pile-o-(marginal talent) to work with. Bowen's big problem on D wasnt the secondary, but the poor D-line...no QB pressure unless we blitz, thus opening up the short routes on the hot reads...

But the special teams are a disaster for sure, especially when I see a lot of our starters playing on that unit...just a horrible misadventure everytime KU spec. teams took the field. Lost OkieSt and TCU games because of it.

kellerman411 7 years ago

"I really wanted to hire a coach with coordinator experience," Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer said. "That was very important to me. Ed has that experience. His offenses at Kansas were not only impressive, but they were some of the top offenses in the country."

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/warinner_ed00.html

Aaron Paisley 7 years ago

Yes, and I don't think he was actually that bad of a coach at West Texas A&M when he was there. This is not a endorsement of him as a coach at KU in any capacity, just that I remember him actually being a good coach there.

Michael Maris 7 years ago

Here's the issue. Back in 1898, someone within the University of Kasnas administration decided to take the bull by the horn (who had true insight on being a Leader instead of a follower) and convinced and paid a gentleman who was a leader in his own right to move to Lawrence, Kansas to start up an basketball program. That employed individual was Dr. James Naismith.

How come, the University of Kansas administration has completely sat on their rear ends (all of these years) and watched the football program struggle the majority of it's lifetime?

Where is today's leader (with insight) to fix this problem? Otherwise, they should've just kept ole Lew Perkins to finish killing off the football program as he did back in his tenure at Wichita State.

Someone STEP up to the Plate and FIX this issue.

Glen Miller 7 years ago

What I'd like to know is why we still haven't hired a coach when we've had WEEKS on these other programs that have already brought in their coaches. I get doing our due diligence and getting the right guy...... but we should have already had a game plan in place and our top 3 narrowed down. We've hem hawed around and guys are disappearing off the board. Maybe Zenger wants to wait so that when he hires Bowen and catches any grief, he can say that there just weren't any other candidates?? I know we are not a power house like Florida or Nebraska, but we've had ample time to game plan and I feel like Zenger is going to jack this all up again. I'm OK with Warriner, Beaty, Bowen or whoever they get... but lets get somebody so that our recruits can do what they need to do and the ones waiting can make a decision. We have a weak class already and the longer we wait, the worse it will be.

Ron Prichard 7 years ago

Don't you think at least one of the candidates may be coaching a team that is still playing? Warriner? Do you think if he is the guy he is going to do or say anything before the OSU game Saturday?

Ken Schmidt 7 years ago

Matt,

What ever happened with Matt Wells at Utah State. There have been a good number of prominent alumni talking over the last 1/4 of the season about him being a very good candidate. You mentioned him once about a month ago and not since. Have you found something out which I missed. Talk about building a program up, young, talented. I think he really fits the bill as a good candidate to consider here at Kansas. Any news?

Ps., oh, and a Gary Anderson (Wisconsin) protégé. Nice!

Thanks!

Aaron Paisley 7 years ago

Matt Wells didn't build the USU program. Current Wisconsin coach Gary Anderson is the one who built that program. Matt Wells resume to this point doesn't scream that he'd be a success at an P5 school.

David Unekis 7 years ago

Matt, was curious if Jim Leavitt's name ever came up. With his ties to Zenger, his success starting from (literally) zero at USF, the uncertainty surrounding Harbaugh at SF, and the fact that his "scandal" was resolved in his favor (he won a very favorable legal judgement from the school in the aftermath of his firing), it would seem he should at least be considered.

Aaron Paisley 7 years ago

Jim Leavitt wouldn't be available to start any HC duties at KU until sometime in January. That's why he's not a fit right now, the timing just isn't there..

Jay Hawkinson 7 years ago

A couple thoughts on why this is taking so long:

  1. If Bowen had beaten OU or K-State they would've had a hard time giving the job to anyone else, so they didn't want to get to the point of interviewing people until the season was over.

  2. Leaking out information that you're taking things slowly and pursuing former Mangino assistants would be a clever way to provide cover for your pursuit of other candidates. A day or two ago Matt said they had reached out to many sitting head coaches. Maybe one of those conversations has drawn some interest, and they're still pursuing Jerry Kill or somebody like that. This way, if they are rejected they can make it look like hiring Beaty or Bowen was the plan all along. It just seems suspicious that all of the beat writers seem to have detailed information about the process, after things were so quiet last time.

Kristen Downing 7 years ago

I think it is taking so long because some of the more popular coaching candidates are using,"I've been contacted by KU" as leverage. We will get the best of what is left or Clint Bowen.

Erich Hartmann 7 years ago

At least lets hope we dont have a collective "outcry" from the fanbase, depending on who's hired. Obviously the KU fanbase is split already into yayBowen or nayBowen camps, so this should be interesting no matter what...

David Atchley 7 years ago

Here's a name for you....with deep State of Kansas ties....born and raised in Girard Kansas, his wife Kim is also a Kansas native...both graduated from Pittsburg State, began his head coaching career at Pittsburg State...has been the HC at Alabama, HC at Texas A&M, and has lead the Texas State Bobcats to the WAC Conference where he posted a 7-5 record this year. He has been recruiting for years in Texas and has relationships running deep and wide.... He has a HC overall record of 210-126..... his son "Brad" was the HC at Blinn Junior College in Brenham TX. where you'll recall "Cam Newton" played and was the juco player of the year...he joined his dad last year on the coaching staff at Texas State.....none other than......Dennis Franchione

Waylon Cook 7 years ago

the A and M fiasco didn't help him.....but there is no doubt he WANTED the KU gig FOREVER. But KU was busy making some dynamite hires as we all know!

David Atchley 7 years ago

Agreed on the TAMU situation....it seems minor it today's atmosphere compared to the fiasco at Florida State, UAB, USC, etc... and he certainly has paid his penance at Texas State.. he is paid well within the "football budget" at Kansas, he is a program builder everywhere he's been, Texas State has been bowl eligible the past two years they have been in the WAC, and his son Brad would give Kansas a perpetuation of headcoach...Brad won the National Juco Championship in 2006, and with Cam Newton in 2009, and gives Kansas a huge pipeline nationally into the juco ranks. I respect the passion displayed for the interim coach...but the dynamite hires as you have alluded to has the program too far behind to think a 5 year plan is still applicable. They need an established program builder because by today's standards, you get 3 years to turn a program around.

Al Martin 7 years ago

That's a darn fine point. Franchione can coach. He didn't fit the A&M mold, but he's solid.

Cody Riedy 7 years ago

First, he's a bit on the old side for undertaking a major rebuild, but more importantly, the guy has made a career of ugly departures and made highly questionable ethical choices. Considering all the negativity around the program since Mangino's firing, why would KU ever consider hiring an older coach, who has had some, but not really that much success, most of which occurred over a decade ago, and who brings a lot of baggage with him?

David Atchley 7 years ago

Bill Snyder thinks thinks Dennis Franchione is a youngster....Snyder was 72 when he returned to K State 3 years ago...Franchione is the exact same age as Nick Saban...63. Franchione has been a turnaround specialist at TCU...at Alabama...and has shepherded the Texas State Bobcats into the WAC Conference, got a new stadium built, and with his son...Kansas could enjoy a smooth transition for once, whenever he decided to step down. Whatever baggage perceived is no longer the case.

Ethan Berger 7 years ago

He simply did not do well at A&M beside one area. He is a great recruiter. I want to criticize your choice but I can't. He did have some good success at other schools. I never thought about his name being in the ring. Guess I should consider it more. He would bring in talent and that's a huge step in rebuilding.

Aaron Paisley 7 years ago

Has Fran ever left a job without sanctions being placed on the school? He's got way too much baggage to ever go back to a P5 job.

David Atchley 7 years ago

No sanctions placed at TCU or A&M by NCAA...the sanctions at Alabama Franchione inherited from the previous coach. He and former Kansas City Star columnist "Mike McKenzie' had a newsletter that boosters were paying to receive which gave insights not available to the press. It was a violation of NCAA rules at the time...and apparently a more egregious act than cars and houses at USC, and sexual assault charges at Florida State.

Kristen Downing 7 years ago

Columbia Dispatch reporting that Ed Warinner has not been interviewed "at" Kansas. They said further, that if he does take the job nothing would happen until after the Big 10 championship game. Who knows...

Waylon Cook 7 years ago

there is a dark horse out there but please don't let be as dark as Charlie!

W Keith Swinehart II 7 years ago

I count at least ten guys posting above who might make good coaches.

Andy Hess 7 years ago

A flightplan listed on FlightAware left KC at 4:10pm headed for Columbus OH.

Take that for what it's worth.

Michael Maris 7 years ago

http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2014/12/04/warinner-kansas.html

That story is from the Columbus, Ohio Newspaper. So, we will see.

Warriner would sure fix the OL problems at KU. But, who will be the OC then? Will Kiesau stay? Things will get interesting for sure. And, I have to think that Reggie Mitchell would stay on with Warriner being the HC (as they've worked together at U. of Illinois). Stay Tuned.

Erich Hartmann 7 years ago

Maybe thats Kiesau flying out to interview for TheOSU OC position? (lol)

Michael Maris 7 years ago

Andy, you might want to get the actual tail number for the private jet that Dr. Zenger would be using to go get ''His Man'' instead of tracking a commercial flight out of KC to Columbus, Ohio.

My Ohio State source says that OSU's already writing up a new contract to keep Warriner in Columbus, Ohio. So, we'll see. Not that Warriner won't take a head coaching job. But, Ohio State Insiders and Fan Base do NOT want to lose Warriner.

Andy Hess 7 years ago

It's not a commercial flight, because it wasn't leaving from MCI, it was leaving from the downtown airport.

Ethan Berger 7 years ago

Off Topic news, how is Kyron Watson doing? He is the big player I don't want to see transfer. He didn't get to play a lot this year and I hope it doesn't discourage him. Another reason is he has a couple of highly ranked buddies graduating next year. Hopefully he can convince to form up an awesome defense (not likely, but I can dream). I guess I'm a little stunned that I haven't heard much about Doc Holliday. He has an heck of a resume. Let's get a guy who can coach and recruit. It sounds simple, but we seem to miss out.

Kyle Sybesma 7 years ago

Check out the posts by OSU fans on the rumor that Warinner is going to KU. Sounds like they feel he's a big part of their success.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2014/12/45468/ed-warinner-offered-kansas-job

Erich Hartmann 7 years ago

Well, if someone mentioned Dennis Franchione, age 63, then how about Glen Mason himself, also age 63? Surely someone talked to him? He turned it around at KU before.

David Atchley 7 years ago

Mack Brown 63, Nick Saban 63 Steve Spurrier 69, Bill Snyder 72... and Franchione is still a very active and winning coach. You check all the boxes with Franchione, native of Kansas, turnaround specialist, program builder,head coaching experience, deep Texas recruiting pipeline, well within the Kansas football budget. At his age, you don't have to worry about the Kansas job being a "stepping stone" and in 5-7 years, when he wants to step down, his son Brad can make for a seamless transition into the HC spot. BTW...his son is no slouch as a coach and has two National Juco Titles under his belt, so you get an added value of juco recruiting with his pipeline.

Brandon Mahon 7 years ago

I do not understand how KU has not interviewed Warinner, unless OSU asked them to hold off until the game Friday. I think he is our man and SZ better not screw this up. Give them man what he wants and announce his hiring early next week and let him get his staff together so we can start recruiting. ED WARINNER IS OUR MAN!!!! We gotta get him.

John Fitzgerald 7 years ago

Ed Warriner HC

David Beaty OC/Recruiting Coordinator

Eric Keisau Assistant OC/WR Coach

Clint Bowen CB Coach/Assistant Recruiting Coordinator

Kerry Coombs Defensive Coordinator/Special Teams (Warriner will bring him from OSU)

Reggie Mitchell RB Coach

John Fitzgerald 7 years ago

I obviously can't spell Warinner's name correctly ... smh

Logan Johnson 7 years ago

ED WARINNER IS OUR GUY!! LOCK HIM UP SZ

John Fitzgerald 7 years ago

Tait! I need an update! I feel like these updates are like cocaine. Need my fix for the next few hours.

Michael Lorraine 7 years ago

For what it’s worth. According to Al Bohl, the common traits of the coaches he has hired was that each was extremely well organized and they each knew one side of the ball at an extremely high level.

Kristen Downing 7 years ago

Wow, after reading those OSU fans comments.....is the state of Ohio really that much better than Kansas? Never been there.

Micky Baker 7 years ago

Zenger better move fast. McElwain has been hired by Florida which now means Colorado State has an opening. There is also a rumor going around that Kansas has offered the job to someone, though rivals.com said that sources confirmed that to be untrue.

Here's my prediction. Our new head coach is going to be Beatty. If we don't offer or hire one of these guys by tomorrow or over the weekend, we're not going to get any of thy guys that would be a good fit. ZENGER! GET WITH IT!

If it is not Beatty, it's going to be Warriner. If not Warriner,then Bowen.

Michael Lorraine 7 years ago

Warriner would not be my choice but if leaving osu hurts the buckeyes and/or big 10 in any way shape or form, it would make for a nice consolation prize.

Titus Canby 7 years ago

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Kansas native, KU All-American, pro-bowl NFL player, and special teams coach for a Super Bowl winning team - Nolan Cromwell.

Michael Lorraine 7 years ago

I get the impression the Ransom Rambler does not have head coaching ambitions. Most of his coaching career has been spent as a position coach although I believe he was the OC a few years back for A&M.

Ted Toulouse 7 years ago

I heard last week that KU wanted to announce the new coach at the Florida game. Sounds like Warriner might be our guy if a plane is going to get him. He's been my first choice the whole time

Michael Lorraine 7 years ago

If that's true and it's not Bowen it might not be a good idea to announce it at AFH. Could be a bit awkward if he receives less than a stellar response.

Jack Joiner 7 years ago

Just read everyone's opinion and it flat made my head swim. By time it quit spinning, it landed on Bowen. let's get him hired and get to recruiting.

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