Charlie Weis' 'pile of crap' comment still the talk of Big 12 media days

KU football coach Charlie Weis at Monday's Big 12 media days in Dallas.

KU football coach Charlie Weis at Monday's Big 12 media days in Dallas. by Matt Tait

Dallas — Charlie Weis stole the show.

That's the prevailing thought from Day 1 of the 2013 Big 12 media days at the Omni Hotel as Day 2 gets going with five new teams stepping to the podium today. And, in a sense, Weis' Monday comments about enticing potential recruits to join the Kansas University project by asking them if they've “seen that pile of crap out there” has become the line to beat at the always interesting couple of days that kickoff each football season.

A quick Google search of the words “Charlie Weis pile of crap” produced more than 100 different links that in some way referenced or reacted to the comments that created a laugh in the Omni Ballroom and sent Twitter into a frenzy.

As has become fairly common, national media members lined up to take their shots at Weis for being his comments.

From Deadspin, which led with a fairly straightforward play-by-play of the popular quote:

“This is Charlie Weis we're talking about. He'll be back to bullying student reporters again before the end of September.”

From The Big Lead, which seemed a little more snarky in its reaction:

"Typical. Not coincidentally, that’s the exact same pitch undoubtedly deployed by coaches recruiting against Charlie Weis. Since, you know, this is college football and the coach is kind of responsible for the output on the field. Kansas State has brought in a lower ranked recruiting class than Kansas four of the past five years. They just won the nation’s second best league, with an even less touted “pile of crap.””

And from Yahoo, which evidently did not ask any of the four KU players in attendance how they felt about Weis' comments:

“What do Weis' current players think of this pitch? I can't imagine they're pleased with it, but I'm sure their coach's response would be "Stop playing like a pile of crap." Of course, the players might suggest the coaching improve a bit as well.”

By night's end Monday, Weis' comments had made their way to several national web sites and Twitter feeds. And that's to say nothing of the usual group of Big 12 scribes who chimed in on the soundbite — 475 media members were credentialed for this thing and dozens more kept an eye on it from a distance — or the fact that Weis' words made it to ESPN's SportsCenter by the end of the day.

Not bad for a Kansas football team that finished 1-11 in 2012 and can't do anything about erasing that for another six weeks.

And therein lies the motive for Weis' words. He was not trashing his team nor being unnecessarily cocky or crude. He was being honest, he was saying something he had told his team and local media members multiple times before Monday and he wasn't going to apologize for either.

"If people just listen to what you're saying, they usually don't misconstrue it,” said Weis, referring to the fact that the comments came after a stretch in which he had just pinpointed some of the good things KU has going for it. “Too many times — and let's not get into the Charlie Weis story, let's talk about Kansas, but let's be clear — too many times people have an impression without ever having met you. Never talk to you once in your life. I used that comment — 'Have you seen this pile of crap?' — and then someone out there has already written that I've given up on my team for this year. They've already put that out there. I mean, were you paying attention to a word I said? Why would you say something like that if you were paying attention at all?"

It's a fair question and one that Weis has gotten used to asking.

The part about this whole thing that people have yet to figure out is that he really doesn't care. Say what you will about Weis or his tactics or his personality or his brutal honesty, but don't mistake any of it for an act. Weis is who he is and, for the most players, his players love it.

That goes for most of his players from the past and that goes for the current KU players, too. None of the four in attendance Monday — Jake Heaps, Ben Heeney, Cassius Sendish, James Sims — had any issue at all about Weis' comments. In fact, each of them even went as far as to say they agreed and understood the point.

If the comments don't bother the players who they're made about, why do they bother everyone else?



Bob Bailey 8 months, 3 weeks ago

ralster Weis is a good coach! But he seems lacking in Defense.

Campo has some reputation. But last year's first four games and this year's spring game seemed to show neither he, nor Bowen, could teach tackling or coverage. We may have to cover that problem with incoming talent. With a long, studious history in sports, the skills are pretty basic -- but they have to be taught. Check out ice hockey for the Belt Buckle Rule.


OceanStateJayhawk 8 months, 4 weeks ago

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Ralster Jayhawk 8 months, 4 weeks ago

Lets make this even more elemental regarding Weis' philosophy: Why the pro-style offense vs. the common spread-offense? Because the pro-style offense is more powerful. Having a balanced running attack + a well-rehearsed passing attack allows the play-calling O-coordinator to keep a defense OFF balance. Its a chessmatch about not letting defensive personnel get comfortable staying in a dime or nickel pkg vs. having to keep more LBs and DLinemen to counter the run possibility. AND its about recruiting: Come play KU's pro-offense on Saturdays, and be showcased and ready to play in the vast majority of Sunday offenses. The defense needs to be competent and versatile, and better than Weis had when he was at NDame, thus he brings in a real pro (Campo), a 20+year NFL defensive coach, known also as a teacher of fundamentals, to come focus on the KU defense. The groundwork is laid. This may all come as a shock to the spread-happy BigXII and college ft ball scene. I cant wait...


Ralster Jayhawk 8 months, 4 weeks ago

Ya. All those so-called fans who said Bill Self can't/couldnt recruit have taken their stinky tails and are hiding in some deep dark hole right about now... Well, they had better dig the hole bigger, so that those who are saying Weis "cant coach" can join them shortly when Weis starts to show his true ability once the roster's talent reaches even mid-range BigXII standards...


Ralster Jayhawk 8 months, 4 weeks ago

The Yahoo comment is even worse, laughable actually as it sounds exactly like that uninformed, not-football-savvy casual KU fan that would look at "1-11" and simply blame the coach. "Better coaching?" Really? Gonna seriously ask that right after 2-years-of-Turner-Gill-noncoaching? Too easy to debunk. Weis did about as crafty of a job with only a run-offense as I have seen--and he is a pass-offense, stretch-the-field kind of guy. I thought his adaptation to his very limited inherited talent team was highly commendable. He found a way to keep the team close in the majority of the games. The D-positioning was a ton better than the previous year, although talent gap caused 10yd cushion and easy short completions. So Matt Tait wants to show us comments NO better than uninformed KU fan comments we see right here locally already. Of course the final judge on Charlie Weis is truly all the KU fans and alums, but soooo many comments quickly reveal the segments that understand football and specifically KU's rebuilding challenge from those segments of the fanbase that simply wait impatiently for W's without understanding what being capable of wins in the BigXII conference actually means and requires. I'm getting a little tired of the grade-school level of understanding, coupled with the child-like impatience. But I should be used to that, as its many of the same spoiled brats that root for KU basketball. They'll quickly throw a Bill Self recruit under the bus, too. (proving all around stupidity, of course). Lol.


Ralster Jayhawk 8 months, 4 weeks ago

BigLead website's comments: Simply not applicable to Weis, when they start talking about KState's recruiting classes the last 4 out of 5 years, yet are choosing Weis as the target to lay the fail on---and Weis has only been here a year.. Nope. Why did Weis arrive and find 14+ of those same "better recruit" KU players were actually academically ineligible? Gill is why. And the off-field issues that got a few dismissed also, and then the few who really wanted the girlie/kumbaya/ur-great-I'm-great-eventhough-we-just-got-steamrolled Gill approach who decided to leave. So in the end, Weis turns over 40% of the entire roster, then adds a few 5th yr seniors to try to find a spark...any spark, yet common sense tells us that is a tall order because of a big concept called chemistry...SO, down on talent, little chemistry, add in starting WR's out due to injury, and poor Crist is out there trying to execute a pro offense with the wonderful Jayhawk 2nd string WRs...(aint happenin'). Simply applaud Weis for his effort (he had no choice), but eagerly await Yr.2 (more talent, more chemistry, especially in the QB-to-WR/RB/TE categories, and finally after 4yrs, a 2nd year of defensive continuity of SYSTEM and D-Coord). That is huuuuge... Hey, my hat's off to Charlie Weis for even agreeing to come to KU to try to fix Lew+Gill's mess. You cannot fault him for shying away from a challenge or for tackling a hard-work type of job that a ground-up/total rebuild is.


jimjones 8 months, 4 weeks ago

I'm sure Charlie has looked in the mirror enough times to know what a pile of crap looks like.


BABBOY 8 months, 4 weeks ago

Stupid story. Of course, there is not much else to yammer about when it comes to football at KU. I mean Matt Tait seems actually excited that the comment supposedly got national attention.

Heck, if Mangino had said such a thing you clowns would have fired him for being mean to the players, ohhh wait, you fools already did that........


Thomas Sr. 9 months ago

Seriously.... this pile of crepe? Who gives a shift? Line em up, knock em down put some W's in the ledger and move along. Nothing to see here.


asilva94 9 months ago

Charlie Weis is a good guy. There's no way around it. He's honest and sincerely wants the team to do well. But the most important thing about Charlie is what he does for KU off the field. He holds his team accountable academically. He's not afraid to cut important players who do not conduct themselves well. He generally cares about the student body. (Remember when he bought tickets for the students to a game last year?) He goes to other sporting events. Hell, he even visited the Marching Jayhawks last season, TWICE.

He's a classy guy. And on top of that, with an admitted "pile of crap" we took several road games to overtime last year and managed to hang in almost every game. Very few true blowouts. Losing by 7 only seems like a blowout when there are no wins in the mix.


Kevin Kelly 9 months ago

That comment was spot on. The truly mean comment was the one he made when explaining what he says to a recruit who asks him 'coach what's your depth chart like?' He said, 'I tell them...don't ever say that...what you are saying is you can't compete.'

Does HCCW do any preperation for gameday? If he watches film on the opposing team is he saying he dosn't believe in his coaching ability?

What this says is, "Don't ask me questions, kid. It makes you look weak. Now listen to me talk." I'm just not sure how much HCCW realized how much of a jerk he sounded like right there.

"What's your depth chart" and he turns it into a teaching lesson. Life's a shell game kid. Don't let them know how little you know and how little ability you have.


BPSkelly 9 months ago

Look... I think we all agree that CW's ability to work a room and deal with the media is phenomenal. It really is. I cant recall a KU football coach who comes close.

That said, I think its fair to wonder about his actual ability to be a head coach. He was given the keys to a Ferrari (Notre Dame) and really only won with the previous guys players. That didnt work -- except for him, several gigs later he's still getting paid -- but he's still clearly a smart football mind who attracted attention both in the NFL ranks (Chiefs) and College (Florida).

And I love hearing him talk about KU and the program he wants to become. I watched, read, posted, and thought more about KU football last year than I can recall in recent memory. Im all in emotionally. But it's hard to argue he's a good head coach when he's really never shown that.

The attention for KU he brings is great, even if the "crap" line probably was more than a little overboard. The fact that people actually talk about KU football beyond the borders of Kansas is an accomplishment. It's fair to question his ability to be the HC though however until he proves otherwise. I think we all think and hope he can be. Im just not wholly convinced of it.


Bob Bailey 9 months ago

Weis can recruit, and coach Offense.

He. and most other coaches, doesn't recognize "well coached Defense".


ArgyleJayhawks 9 months ago

You really expect the players to say they were offended by the comments? How would that go over with Weis and the fan base? Of course they said they were cool with it.


Brett McCabe 9 months ago

Weis has a record of pulling in good recruits - no one can dispute that. His personality absolutely gets the interest of players and their families. And he doesn't waste time on guys who "can't handle the truth".

The question is: can he coach them to success?

Having watched every game last year, I am convinced: yes. I felt like he out-coached most of the teams we played but he simply did not have the horses to compete. This year, the returners will be better, the incoming talent will be better and the team will be better.

Failure can be a liberating experience. I think that we are about to watch Weis build Kansas into a top-notch football program.


David A. Smith 9 months ago

Good points, and great stuff as usual, Matt. I completely agree. What he said, he said in respect to 1) the product, and 2) the past that we are looking to break free from. There were no shots taken at individuals or the expectations at the upcoming season. But, the responses reflect, as coach pointed out, preconceived notions and hostile ears. What he said and meant was clear: the product was lousy, and the fact that it was should give recruits cause to believe that their chances to play immediately are good. Honesty-good. Poliltically correct coach speak- bad.


klineisanazi 9 months ago

Time to win some games . Rest doesn't matter. Period.


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