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Realignment Today: What the Maryland/Rutgers to the Big Ten news means for the Big 12 and the rest of college athletics — if anything

Remember when things happened in college athletics without the rest of the world following them up with panic, hysteria and unnecessary — sometimes even awful — reactions?

OK, me neither, but if you stretch your brain really far, you might be able to remember a time when a school or conference anywhere in the country could make a move of any kind and that would be that.

Unfortunately that’s not the case any longer. As soon as the news broke that Maryland and Rutgers were involved in serious talks with the Big Ten, fans and officials in conferences throughout the country stood up and screamed, “We’re next!”

But, why?

Just because the Terps and Scarlet Knights are willing to leave what could (and perhaps should) be considered dying conferences does not mean that the rest of the country should jump back in and cause a third round of reckless realignment in three years.

It sure sounded to me like all of this mess was behind us when the Big 12 steadfastly proved it was happy at 10 teams — even as others laughed and rolled their eyes insisting that just couldn’t be the case. If that wasn’t enough, it seemed like the nail in the coffin when the ACC bumped its buyout to a whopping $50 million.

Oops. I guess that wasn’t high enough — somehow.

It’s been known for quite some time that Maryland was one of those schools the Big Ten would consider grabbing should it choose to expand. I can remember hearing talk about the Terps to the Ten during the initial round of realignment three summers ago, when Colorado and Nebraska bolted the Big 12. So the move itself, when taken only as a single move in a vacuum immune from the impact of past, present and future moves around it, actually makes some sense.

But it’s a crying shame that officials within the Big Ten and at Maryland chose now as the time to make this move. It does nothing but confirm the hard truth we already know — that money is king in all walks of life, but most certainly in college athletics.

Some reports have indicated that the Big Ten has been dying to reopen its expansion eyes ever since Notre Dame moved its non-football sports to the ACC several months back. Go figure; jealousy and envy played a role here, too.

Can someone, or perhaps some people, please just get it over with and buy out the NCAA and turn it into what it is sadly becoming anyway — a training ground professional sports league driven by dollars?

For goodness sake, it sounds as if Maryland may get out of the $50 million early exit penalty by, first, negotiating it down and, second, having the Big Ten pick up the bulk of the tab. A tip of the cap goes to the Terps for some savvy business moves there, but a slap on the wrist should head the way of the Big Ten, ACC and NCAA for letting that happen if it does, in fact, go down that way.

I know most out there think these moves are the spark that will start another conference realignment wildfire, but I’m not one of them.

For starters, I don’t think this changes anything for the Big 12 Conference. The conference was happy with 10 members before and it will be happy with 10 members after, too.

I know there is some strong interest in adding Florida State if the opportunity presents itself, but, (1) I don’t see the Big 12 footing the bill for the buyout the way the Big Ten may with Maryland, and (2) the league has said all along that any expansion moves would have to be made up of a couple of knock-your-socks-off schools. Florida State certainly is in that category but I don’t think there’s a 12th team out there on that level — not BYU, not Boise State, not Louisville. Who?

The best guess here, particularly because this Maryland/Rutgers thing moved so quickly, is that this will be a big splash for a few days and then the realignment waters will be still again.

The ACC will move on, perhaps by poaching a team like UConn (a willing mover) from the Big East, forcing the Big East to take yet another step toward becoming an all-basketball league, with its football schools playing independent schedules. That’s the only way for that conference to maintain relevance in the changing landscape of college athletics. And who knows if even that will do it?

I’ve already talked to a couple of people about this latest mess and I’ve got a few more calls out there, so if anything interesting or noteworthy pops up regarding the Big 12, you know where to find it.

Until then, we’re back to our old tried and true catch phrase:  Stay tuned...

Here are a few links to peruse for those who might be interested in reading more about what’s going on:

Here are some of the specifics on the Maryland/Rutgers news:
http://espn.go.com/new-york/story/_/id/8651934/maryland-terrapins-accept-invitation-join-big-ten-sources-say

Here’s a blog that includes a take on the Big 12:
http://outkickthecoverage.com/reports-maryland-and-rutgers-to-the-big-ten.php

And here’s a good read about the ramifications and money ruling everything:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2012/11/19/3664686/maryland-rutgers-big-ten-expansion-conference-realignment

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Comments

dwight501 1 year, 4 months ago

til I looked at the draft ov $7328, I accept that my best friend was like they say actualy receiving money part-time on their computer.. there aunts neighbour haz done this for only nineteen months and just repayed the dept on there villa and got a new Volkswagen Golf GTI. go to, cloud68doTom

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Terry N Tom Denner 1 year, 4 months ago

To me a 10 member conference sucks !!! The Big 12 will not get the respect ever at staying no more than 10 teams. AD Mr Dobbs of Texass has the Big 12 Commish lips sowed to his ass already. May as well just call this conference the Big Texas 1 + 9 conference. Jump to the Big Ten KU !!!

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THE_REAL_DEAL_WITH_BILL_MCNEIL 1 year, 4 months ago

I don't understand why anybody that calls themselves a true KU fan would want KU in the B1G. It is a DYING conference in a DYING part of the country. It's like you all think it is still 1975 or something.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8654190/on-urban-meyer-ohio-state-wisconsin-big-ten-expanding-include-maryland-rutgers

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JHWKDW 1 year, 4 months ago

I do not see any demise of the ACC at all. Come on,they lost one team who is so-so at FB and has a decent BB program. Big Whoop. They will replace them with a UConn team who is trying to improve their FB program that will take time, and has a successful BB program. Florida State and Clemson are not coming here folks.Would you come here after the big voice of the B12 Texas rudely said not a chance we want you? No one wants to come here and have to deal with the poor business model of unequal partners. The Conference is still run by and controlled by the University of Texas and them alone.. This unequal partnership, along with other issue discussed below, led 4 teams to decide to leave the conference.Hey anyone remember the shenanigans Texas tried to do to Texas Tech before the season started by forcing one of their games on the LHN? Tech told them no, and Tech was about to forfeit the game because LHN tried to force one of their games on LHN and Texas tried to profit off their game!

The Big lEast I think has finally imploded.Thank goodness for that. That conference was overrated, and I remember some of the top KU people talking how cool it would be if we were in that lousy loser conference when there was talk of Big 12 implosion. Goodbye Big lEast.

The Big 10 Id love to join that conference that or the Pac-12 along with K-State.Those 2 conferences are the most stable well the SEC is. You know folks the Big 12 will not expand Texas has said they will not expand. We will not get respect in football with the 4 super conferences coming,ACC,Big 10, Pac-12, SEC Look at K-State they are completely out of title game, I know it was a lousy Baylor team they lost to,, but if that was a ranked team still would not have mattered, because without no conference championship game (Thanks Texas) we will always be a second thought. or have to hope all those teams in the 4 conferences lose a bunch. Do not care what Big 12 team was up there B12 would have been ignored if Ohio State was not on probation.

I think in terms of Louisville, I really see the SEC taking them and maybe even Memphis. You see the SEC is about having alot of winners. Yeah neither are football powerhouses just like our certain former conference team in Black and Gold. But their Basketball programs are good, and that is what the SEC is lacking in their football programs are awesome. I see the SEC also grabbing One of the North Carolina and Virginia teams, but regardless, I still think the ACC will grab 2 other teams after they lose 2 of those teams.

Sorry but Im afraid the Big 12 is not looking good! do not care what that moronic commercial says. That idiotic commercial for the new Big 12 with the mascots is pathetic. You do not do a commercial like that you just go out like the Big 10 and show you are a great conference by grabbing big schools. What a waste of money they should have used that money to go get a good school to come here.

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danmoore 1 year, 4 months ago

From Mark Schlabach

"Might he (Delaney) now decide to expand the Big Ten's footprint even more into the Southeast or farther West? Georgia Tech, Kansas and North Carolina, which are members of the prestigious Association of American Universities, like every Big Ten member except Nebraska, might be the next targets on Delany's radar."

Anyone can speculate. Look at all the different scenarios we saw a few years ago before Nebraska and Colorado left.

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jgkojak 1 year, 4 months ago

Here are the dominoes -

1) Maryland and Rutgers to the B10

2) FSU and Clemson to the B12

3) NC State and Va Tech to the SEC (making the SEC 16)

4) UNC and Va to the B10

All of this happens in time for the B10 to negotiate their 2015 deal

5) B12 can stay at 12, or accept Ga Tech and Louisville to go to 14

In this scenario-

B12 EAST WVU, Louisville, Ga Tech, FSU, Clemson, TCU, Baylor

B12WEST ISU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, Texas, TTU

That wouldn't be bad.

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Robert Brown 1 year, 4 months ago

Before realignment hit, the Pac 10 and Big 12 were discussion an 'alliance' agreement where the alliance essentially owned everything west of the Mississippi. I could see something like that evolving. I think West Virginia is out of place in this scenario and I have never been a fan of Baylor and TCU even being in the conference. An alliance could be a way to generate more money without having schools switch conferences.

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jhawkrulz 1 year, 4 months ago

I still think this is the unintended result of legislation. Title IX was passed and items were put in place to enforce it. This basically forced all universities to comply. As noted above many of the schools have had to shut down programs to basically comply (even Maryland cited 9 programs that would be reinstated because of this move). I would argue that KU is an Addidas school because of Title IX. I would also mention that many of the sports have been cut at KU as well.

Football has to drive the talk, but it is also a compliance with the law that caused much of this. Ironically, the very law that was to create equality is in the long run reducing the ability for all to receive scholarships to universities.

I'm not saying whether Title IX was good or not. I'm not even saying whether universities shouldn't have been forced into things like this. What I am saying is when governments legislate certain events, unintended consequences occur and many times they ripple on for years.

I've always been curious how the four superconferences would be shaped. The PAC 12 is running out of real estate to get to 16. The ACC has been banking on its basketball schools too much. The Big Ten and the SEC are poised to handle any instability. I would love to see the ACC fall apart and those teams spread throughout; however, I could see Iowa State, Baylor, Okie State, K-State all sweating a little as this gets heated up again.

I still think if the conferences go to 64, KU is sitting pretty good. If they stop at 14 (56 total), I get nervous.

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James Kirk 1 year, 4 months ago

Let's say Kansas wants in the B1G. Who has the money to buy back the Tier 1/2 media rights?

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midwest_muser 1 year, 4 months ago

Kansas will be part if the B1G before Tyler Self graduates.

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BPSkelly 1 year, 4 months ago

I dont think we should assume FSU would come to the Big 12. But I dont think we should rule it out. My guess is they wouldnt come alone either. And quite frankly, id almost let them pick the partner school.

All that said, I DONT think the Big 12 would go to 12. My guess is 14 or 16.

Reality is the floodgates were NOT open yesterday with Maryland and Rutgers. If FSU walks though, suddenly the 'football first' ACC schools are on high alert. Hard to not see serious movement at that point.

Otherwise, I dont see us expanding. Even though id still think we should.

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Krohnutz 1 year, 4 months ago

I seem to recall questioning the legitimacy of stated $50 million buyout the first time Florida State flirted with us. I would imagine it will be massively less for Maryland based on the vote essentially holding them hostage at the time of the vote. Maryland did what they could, they voted "no" but they were already scheduled to participate for the next season. Picture it like this:

You are a member of a local bingo club composed of people that drive to different houses every week. The only problem is, it seems like certain people always are the hosts, and only those people seem to have any say in where games are played. Furthermore, you are not 100% sure, but you feel like they sure do get the right letters more often.

So you start checking out other bingo clubs, and naturally, some catch your eye. But the small town rumor mill starts circulating, mainly because you are not alone in your dissatisfaction and it comes to light that at least one other member has checked into other clubs.

So to dissuade anybody from looking, your club parlor has a meeting to "fix" the issues. But instead of really fixing much, they instead vote that anybody leaving their bingo club is forced to pay them $100 to leave. You and that other guy vote "no" but, as expected, the other scumbags vote "yes."

So who here feels like they would owe anybody that $100?

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JayDocMD 1 year, 4 months ago

THE_REAL_DEAL_WITH_BILL_MCNEIL = Manginorhoolz

Tulane rhoolz, right "Bill?"

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Jeff Kilgore 1 year, 4 months ago

I'm not the first to think this, but . . . does it make more sense to stay in a "poached" conference or to move to a "poacher" conference?

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texashawk10 1 year, 4 months ago

Hey Matt, what impact does the news that Boise, SDSU want to stay in the MWC and BYU wanting to rejoin the MWC have on the Big East as a football conference and if those three end up back in the MWC, will Houston, SMU, UCF, and Navy still want to join the Big East now that they'll have the same access to an "Access Bowl" as the Big East or will the stay in CUSA/Independant?

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INTERNETTOUGHGUY 1 year, 4 months ago

KANSAS NEEDS TO CALL UP JIM DELANY AND BEG HIM TO TAKE THEM TOO

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Pitthawk34 1 year, 4 months ago

Lets just ge to 4-18 conferences and put a fork in it. We are at a point where all of these conferences need to get together and have a draft. Hell, have it in New York with ESPN coverage. Lets just get it done and over so we can enjoy our sports without worry or panic.

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Justin Lindsley 1 year, 4 months ago

Football is the leader in all of this. Some on here are saying that the ACC or the Big 12 are going to die. Why on earth would Texas leave th big 12 for the ACC. The ACC sucks at football as a whole. The big 12 needs to get FSU and maybe Louisville. One last shot at ND too. Then buckle down and go with it. We would have the central time zone locked and we would be pushing the eastern time zone with WVU,FSU (hopefully) and ND(longshot). The Big 12 would have every bit as good of a football conference as the sec,big 10 and the PAC.

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blindrabbit 1 year, 4 months ago

McNeil: Must have a strong ego or a false sense of self importance with your ramblings and use of attention getting blog capitalization. Tune it down!

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Rick Arnoldy 1 year, 4 months ago

Talk on 700WLW in Cincinnati is that Louisville has been trying to position itself for a B12 spot for several years.

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jaybate 1 year, 4 months ago

Who can ever be certain about such things, but it probably means the Obama won the election. :-)

New Jersey and Maryland went Obama blue.

So: Rutgers, which is essentially the University of New Jersey, and the University of Maryland and their states are joining the coalition of northern states coinciding with The Big Ten Conference member schools and states and political economies, and they are probably putting a fire wall across the proposed Northeast extention of the Super Corridor promoted by Team Super Corridor.

It probably means Virginia, which circumscribes West Virginia's southern and southeaster boundaries, went Obama Blue and so Virginia's politics are probably sufficiently divided that Virginia isn't jumping to the Big Ten, but it is also now at least until the 2016 election a political no-man's land that the Northeast Super Corridor extension cannot cross to reach the Atlantic.

It probably means that the northeast extension of the Super Corridor is dead in its tracks at least until the next presidential election and that major driving force behind expanding the Big 12 into a two division conference with broadcast footprints in the eastern and midwestern time zones is also dead in its tracks.

It makes imminently good strategic sense for the Big 12 to expand to the eastern time zone. The Big Ten has done it. And the SEC has done it. Of course, the Big 12 should do it. But the Real Politik and the Real Economik of the forces struggling for control of the North American distribution infrastructure mean the Big 12 is stalemated until 2016. There may be some flanking additions to the Big 12 the next four years in preparation for yet another push to the Atlantic, but the creation of an honest to goodness eastern time zone division of teams in the Big 12 can't happen till Team Super Corridor finds a way to pry another path open to the Atlantic. And it may never succeed now.

It probably means a lot more than all of this, judging from the electoral map's lay out of blue and red states, but this is probably enough for now.

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Jeff Kilgore 1 year, 4 months ago

Who is sure that B12 is safe long term? If Texas can find a greener pasture for Bevo, it will. The best way to get secure is to get bigger, seriously bigger. Any AU school that's available should be added ASAP. FSU looks good to me. Louisville as well. I'm not sure why we haven't gone courting BYU heavily. Help me out here. This is not the time for smugness.

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danmoore 1 year, 4 months ago

Delaney is one greedy mother f###ing bastard. I hope he has a heart attack and dies (not really, but I do dislike him a lot). Tradition and history mean nothing today. Universities are behaving like wall street corporations. Might as well get rid of the student-athletes and start hiring them out of college with pay and no academic standards so we can eliminate all the hypocrisy in college sports.

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poet008 1 year, 4 months ago

If any Louisville fans come across this board in their thirst for any tidbit regarding realignment, here is my suggestion:

Contact your administration and ask them to offer to pay Florida State's $50 million exit fee provided you, Louisville, are the 12th team added to the Big XII.

It may take 5 years or so, but eventually you would get that money back just from the higher revenue in the Big XII.

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Dale Stringer 1 year, 4 months ago

If I got to pick, then I would push for Louisville and Notre Dame. ND would get to keep it's 3rd tier rights in the Big 12 so why not offer to them. Louisville makes better since geographically than FSU, especially with WVU and hopefully ND.

And if we ever do get back to 12 (and no more), I don't want to see static divisions. I think that every 4 years, the two schools with the least total wins in football, MBB and WBB get to pick their 5 division mates for the next for years. Sell the view right to the select day to ESPM/CBS/Fox.

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Tony Bandle 1 year, 4 months ago

I find it somewhat amusing that any of you posters actually think Kansas is a truly player in all of this.

The two most important items that drive these realignments are a football program with a prestigious cache and a widespread TV viewing marketshare, both of which Kansas is sorely lacking.

Our best strategy is simple...do whatever it takes to partner up, keep the Big 12 viable and grow the league into one of the inevitable superconferences. We have geographic and time zone broadcast advantages that TV cannot ignore.

To think that we belong anywhere else or that anywhere else would actually want us is pure folly. It hurts me to say that..I wish we were a national foortball power..but we're not or likely to be one in the near future...if at all.

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pepper_bar 1 year, 4 months ago

Florida State's fan base will howl in protest if it can't tailgate at conference games anymore. And their fans won't be excited about autumn drives to Lubbock, Lawrence, and Ames.

FSU has zero chance of moving to the Big 12, folks.

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BCRavenJHawkfan 1 year, 4 months ago

Story on 60 Minutes last night sketches out the general picture to all these conference rumblings. FOOTBALL controls the dollars for nearly every Division I school. I know that's no surprise to most.

But what was a surprise to me was, out of an I can't remember number of Division I schools only 12 (I think that's the stated number) have athletic departments that are running in the black. All others are in THE RED. (The story focused on Michigan & Alabama and yes they are in the black).

Think about that a moment. With more Div I schools athletic dept. in the red than in the black how do you change the balance sheet? As was pointed out in the story, schools not in BCS conferences now look to schedule with teams in BCS conferences just to get the dollars. The example of Towson University going to LSU was one example and the Towson athletic director admitted as much, saying they have no problem going on the road to get pummeled, they want, correction, they need the money.

The other problem in all this is all the other sports that are a drain on athletic department budgets. The AD of Michigan even indicated they have to have a money rich football enterprise to sustain some of the other sports.

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BPSkelly 1 year, 4 months ago

Quite frankly, for the academics and dollars there is no conference that compares to the Big 10. For the athletics and dollars none likely compares to the SEC. The ACC has the academics down, the athletics, but not the dollars. The Big 12 has the dollars, the athletics, but not the academics. The Pac 12 has "lite" all of those. As much as I'd love to go to the Big 10 -- sorry, I dont trust UT, and to some extent OU -- its just not happening. If it was we'd be on the first train to the Big 10 'west' with Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota.

The Big 12's (OU and UT especially) reluctance with the football championship game shows who's really calling the shots still. Officially, maybe less so than before -- with the Granting of Rights for T1/T2 media stuff -- but its still obvious the Big 12 wont do anything unless UT agrees to it.

We'd better hope that the ACC "football first" schools are amenable to moving (or not getting picked up by the SEC) and open to joining the Big 12. Otherwise, its going to continue to be a bumpy ride.

Just the reality of the situation. I dont think the Big 12 has any leverage at all. Unless UT decides it does.

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WindmillGIANT 1 year, 4 months ago

I don't really have anything insightful to say, but will say it anyways. Realignment is stupid. I don't care about the money - it really doesn't make that big of a difference for anybody outside of the athletic department. If it does make that big of a difference, then these decisions, at least for public universities, should not be made by athletic directors. This is symptomatic of American obsessions with being the biggest and the best and the richest. It's stupid. Like the real-world, the vast majority of programs are never going to be powerhouse programs and are never going to win national titles. Conference titles and rivalries should be the centerpiece of athletics. Every aspect of our lives is ran on the logic of capitalism and is turning everything into bland homogeneous corporate mass productions - history and tradition and regional culture are all being swallowed into the corporate athletics model. The super conference model is like wal-mart, instead of thousands of small, distinct business ran by small-business owners specializing in all manner of services and goods, we have a giant box that replaces everything and is replicated in every location in the entire country.

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blindrabbit 1 year, 4 months ago

KU, swallow your pride and in-state bias about K-State. Both schools should pitch for a 2-school addition to the PAC12. Population shift is to the left coast. Academics might be a problem, I don't known how we stack up against Utah, Colorado, Oregon State, Washington State, Arizona and Arizona State and USC. Pretty sure we would be on a second tier behind Stanford, California, UCLA, Oregon and Washington. In my opinion, recruiting would be helped, KU should be able to out-compete most of these schools for West Coast basketball prospects, K-State would love the shot at all of the JuCo football prospects. Being a Westerner myself, I admit I'm biased.

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clevelandjayhawker 1 year, 4 months ago

THE_REAL_DEAL_WITH_BILL_MCNEIL = Jaybate

Just my opinion

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THE_REAL_DEAL_WITH_BILL_MCNEIL 1 year, 4 months ago

The destiny of the Big 12 teams are as follows, in order (USNews style):

"Top" Tier:

1) Texas - anywhere it wants

2) Oklahoma - almost anywhere it wants (not AAU, so no RBT)

---page break---

3) KU - some options, decent academics, big basketball brand, Charlie Weis

Third Tier:

4) WVU - limited options, mediocre academics, athletic brand/dc market, SEC probably best hope

5) ISU - limited options, good academics, limited fan base (competes with larger, more well known in-state school)

6) Ok State - limited options, poor academics and limited fan base (competes with larger, more well known in-state school)

7) Baylor - limited options, decent academics and very limited fan base, but see Heisman/Women's B/Scott Drew (recent success could have established greater brand recognition)

Fourth Tier:

8) K-State - very limited, mediocre academics and very limited fan base (competes with larger, more well known in-state school), but see recent football success

9) TCU - very limited, decent academics and very limited fan base

10) TTech - very limited, bottom-dwelling academics and very limited fan base

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THE_REAL_DEAL_WITH_BILL_MCNEIL 1 year, 4 months ago

If anyone thinks that Larry Scott is going to sit idly by while the Rust Belt Ten, the ACC, and the SEC all get to 14 schools, they're dreaming.

Texas is in play again. To the ACC? To the RBT? Or to the PAC?

If Notre Dame fully joins the ACC, all of a sudden the Big 12 is the weakest link again. Don't think that the never-played "Champions Bowl" means anything either. ND to the ACC makes it pretty attractive to Texas. They would also get to keep their failing LHN, if they even want it anymore.

Those of you that are under the delusion that conference realignment has ceased haven't been paying attention. Sure, it hasn't all happened at once like everyone was predicting when Colorado and Nebraska left, but is has been moving that way regardless. The Big East is all but dead. It is completely irrelevant. The ACC has expanded and got the big prize in Notre Dame. The B1G is now at 14. The SEC is at 14. The PAC is at 12. The Big 12 is at 10, and 2 of those are left overs from the Big East. Every conference is waiting for another to get to 16. So, instead of just getting there all at once, they are slowly adding and creeping to the same destination. The Big East is pretty much done. UConn, Louisville, and Cincinnati are the only schools of any value left, and they don't bring much. UConn might go to the ACC. Might. Losing a school like Maryland is a big hit though. Their overtures to Texas might become irresistable.

Bottom Line: the Big East is dead. We all knew that. Now it comes down to the ACC vs the Big 12. Spoiler alert: the ACC will win. KU needs to get into the PAC, where there is stability and room for growth. The PAC will need 4 more schools and KU is within a reasonable geographical footprint, if that matters. Adding Louisville or, god forbid, Cincinnati doesn't make the Big 12 any more attractive. TCU and WVU were bad additions too, although Louisville would have been better than either of them.

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mahkmood 1 year, 4 months ago

I agree, when the B12 talks about not expanding because there aren't any "available" teams, it means the B12 is #5 behind B1G/SEC/P10/ACC. I think everyone knows what is happening, and the B12 better make a move now, or consider itself vulture food. If KU could jump to the PAC-12 that seems to be our best option, but I don't see much reason for the PAC-12 caring about KU because our football program is awful (thanks again Lew Perkins!). If KU doesn't find another home soon I'm thinking that we're going to get shafted by UT and OU who WILL eventually jump ship when they've eaten up the profits and see that the B12 ship is no longer good enough food for them. I can see OU going to the SEC, and UT to the B1G, or both to the ACC, or some combination thereof. People can pretend that this thing isn't real, but it is... either the ACC or the B12 is going down because they are the ones being poached. The B12 must expand now, or it will die a slow death. The ACC knows the same thing. The ACC is going to poach B12 teams, or die in their "academic superiority", and I don't care what people say about the fees, rights, etc. That isn't stopping Maryland, and it won't stop T Boone, or others. "Competitive market forces" (greed) is driving this thing, not tradition, not logic, not concern for schools. Eat or be eaten B12! KU, Zenger, do everything possible to get into the PAC-12 or ACC ASAP if the B12 doesn't start poaching the ACC, because OU and UT are in no hurry because they can move pretty easily at 5 minutes to midnight, and KU cannot. The Big East is virtually dead. Next will be the B12 or ACC. Who will it be? I think the B12 should go all out and seek to destroy the ACC by going after a package deal of 6 teams from this list: FSU, GT, Miami, Clemson, UNC, NCST, UVA, and VT. This will prompt the SEC to grab its top choices from the ACC. The remaining ACC will become a basketball conference similar to the old Big East. If the B12 wants to be good ole boys and feel bad about busting the ACC apart, then OU and UT will eventually be absorbed by P12, SEC, B1G, and ACC. I'd love to see KU announce its departure for the P-12, and let the ACC and B12 sort out their own problems. Too bad the P-12 doesn't want KU, nor do any other of the Super-conferences. I still see the B12 imploding if they don't destroy the ACC, and believe it will begin with OU departing for the SEC. UT may go to the B1G, ACC, or P12. It's a matter of time, so why not get this over with. Please.

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Chris Shaw 1 year, 4 months ago

Matt, love the updates, but when Florida State is right there wanting to leave, you have to jump on that opportunity. You are right, Florida State is a grand slam if you get them to come to the Big 12. Outside of Notre Dame, Florida State is the only school that increases and makes money for the conference in the long-run and also expands the Big 12 footprint.

Come on Big 12! Don't sit on your hands! Go get Florida State!!!!!!! You know what, where is David Booth? Let's get him on a private jet, do a documentary, and show the world how he saved the Big 12 conference and the University of Conference! LOL! Go get Florida State!

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rrwisecup 1 year, 4 months ago

I always thought we would go to twelve teams anyway , heck were the big twelve not ten, I thought Louisville would be good and may be Cincy, but what if we could steal Arkansas? Louisville and Arkansas to the big twelve would be perfect, then we could be the Big Twelve again

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Robert Brown 1 year, 4 months ago

I am not sure why many think the loss of Maryland will lead to the break up of the ACC. The loss of Maryland is akin the Big 12 losing Missouri. Maryland has a stronger basketball tradition, but has largely been irrelevent for ten years. With Syracuse and Pitt joining next year, the Maryland is at best a mid-pack ACC basketball school. In football, when has Maryland ever been relevent? It is a blow, but the departure of Maryland will not cause irrepairable damage. If the SEC decides to poach a North Carolina and Virginia school, the league will still have 11 members (easily moved to 12 by adding UConn) plus the arrangement with Notre Dame. The conference may be a bit weaker, but really not critical.

This is not about improving performance on the field. This is about expanding the Big 10 network and both Rutgers and Maryland and located in large populations centers not served by the Big 10.

It is hard to see where any of this affects the Big 12. No need to grab Louisville, but if FSU is back in play along with Ga Tech or Clemson, then expansion can be justified.

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Ethan Berger 1 year, 4 months ago

I like the 10 team conference. We play everyone, so you know it's what conferences were intended to be.

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clevelandjayhawker 1 year, 4 months ago

I kinda hope in ten years there are 4 super conferences and that the conferences are broken up and teams are placed by geographic location/rivals. Would be great to bring back the old border war rivalry

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Travis Clementsmith 1 year, 4 months ago

Matt, just from what I have read:

The B1G isn't footing the possible penalty bill, Rumor is that the president of Under Armor, a Maryland grad, has put an account into escrow to help with the legal fees. Its worth it to him to market his brand in the B1G.

The timing, I believe, is to strengthen its legal challenge. The ACC changed its exit fee within a negotiated school year, which usually, entities are not allowed to, and since Maryland was one of the two universities that voted against this change (with FSU), announcing their intentions within that same academic year strengthen their argument to have the exit penalty reduced, probably the 20 million figure originally agreed on.

FSU is a one loss team whose strength of conference has dragged it down to #10 in the BCS. They cannot be happy about this, and so they are probably watching the Maryland challenge to the 50 million exit fee. Legally, an exit fee cannot be punitive, it can only be mitigative, and the ACC is going to have a difficult time proving it isn't a punitive measure. That is what is sparking the FSU interest.

Finally, the SEC wants their own network, and they want to get into the VA-NC markets. Any time someone leaves, it creates unrest and uncertainty, and I wouldn't be surprised, at least unofficially, to see the SEC try to prod some fruit from the ACC tree.

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wildjayhawk 1 year, 4 months ago

Ku will stay when they are, they don't want any part of the big 10.

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Ron Prichard 1 year, 4 months ago

In response to ozhawk above, the ACC doesn't make enough financially to make that attractive to the Big XII, so I don't see that happening. More than likely, if the SEC goes to 16, the Big XII goes after FSU and Clemson to get back to 12. I also don't see the Big XII having any interest in Louisville as they had their opportunity but already passed them over.

This brings me to another thought...If the SEC takes two more ACC teams and the Big XII takes FSU and Clemson, the remaining schools will scramble to join a major conference. UNC could head to the Big 10 with Virginia. With the ACC out of the picture and the Big Least becoming more and more irrelevant, there would only be four major conferences. The Big XII could comfortably sit at 12 teams and keep a larger share of their respective TV revenues than the schools in the SEC and any other 16 school mega-conference. With UT, OU, WVU, OSU, FSU, TCU, and Clemson as major football powers, the Big XII would still command major TV dollars, likely on par with any other conference. Plus, with only four major conferences remaining, there wouldn't be the possibility of schools being picked off or having any league instability. The Big XII may just come through this entire thing looking like the smartest kid on the block: Mega-money and less teams to share it with and less teams to compete against to get to the NC game.

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jgkojak 1 year, 4 months ago

Problem with Louisville is academics-

I am guessing once MD gets out of its $50 million payment, FSU and Clemson will take that opportunity-- I'd also go after Ga Tech (Atlanta). That way you could go after Louisville.

I could see an East/new B12 members division: FSU, GT, Clem, WVU, Louisville, TCU, Baylor

ISU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, Texas, TTU

That's about even as far as football and basketball.

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JhawkalumJB 1 year, 4 months ago

Thanks for the update Tait.

I see and understand the appeal of Florida State, but I don't see the lack of appeal for Louisville... As stated in earlier comments they are a well known player in b-ball and consistently compete in football (yea I know in the Big Least, but still).. Are they terrible in academics? What's not to like about Louisville? Small TV market? What is it? Honestly, I thought they made more geographic sense than West Virginia did.. help me out here..

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ozhawk4 1 year, 4 months ago

Alright, so here's my question. If the SEC finally goes after Virginia tech and NC State to get to 16 forcing the Big Ten to grab two more, what are the possibilities of an ACC/Big XII Merger where the two divisions are ACC Division and Big XII division of some sorts. It could be interesting, but I'm not sure if that would work or not. I'm just curious to hear your opinions.

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Kevin Huffman 1 year, 4 months ago

I'm fine w/ Louisville & Florida State....I think they used to be in the same Conference (the Metro?) before Louisville was in varying other conferences & before FSU was added to the ACC. I think VCU used to be in that conference. Both schools are good in more than football, but both ARE, in fact, good in football as well as cotinue the eastward expansion already begun with WVU. Brings a nat'l rival back for WVU and there's some OU connections in FSU I believe - or at least there was.

Would seem to lend itself back to North & South again (North = Iowa State, WVU, KU, K-State, Louisville & I bet they would send TCU northward over TTech or OSU) & (South = OU, OSU, TTech, UT, Baylor & FSU)

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jhox 1 year, 4 months ago

I just heard from a friend who has a pretty reliable Big 10 source that Texas has contacted the Big 10 with an interest. I don't know how they can get out of the contract they signed with the Big 12 recently, which seems to be incredibly punitive toward any school that wants to leave, but given that it is Texas, I shouldn't be surprised to find out they're trying.

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wtfusa 1 year, 4 months ago

Any word on whether KU will still be playing Rutgers in non-conference football?

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ljmhawk 1 year, 4 months ago

i'm all in for louisville and florida state, both are good in basketball and football. plus adding fsu is a good tv market. i could easily see louisville being our rival in basketball

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Vernon Riggs 1 year, 4 months ago

Why stop at 12? If the ACC implodes where does FSU AND Clemson AND GA Tec, Pitt, VA Tech, NC State go? The ACC will never win another NCAA football championship. FSU, an one-loss team is behind all of the one-loss SEC teams and even one two-loss SEC team. If the ACC reaches out to UConn to replace Maryland, it will be a clear statement that Football is second to Basketball in the ACC.

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Kyle Sybesma 1 year, 4 months ago

I agree with Matt that the waters will settle but eventually the end result of all this realignment is to create four 16-team power conferences. We already have a 4 team playoff set for 2014 and an 8 team playoff could easily be expanded by having four conference championship games.

The ACC, Big 10, SEC and PAC 12 have solidified their confereces better than the Big 12. The Texas Longhorn Network will be the downfall of the Big 12. I have to believe that Zenger, the quite business guy he is, has been on the phone solidifying KU's spot somwhere WHEN the Big 12 falls apart.

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Tony Bushard 1 year, 4 months ago

The Big 12 may be happy with ten teams, but I can't imagine they'll sit around much longer without a marquee conference championship football game. Thanks for the reporting Matt.

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LVCHawk 1 year, 4 months ago

I think that now that a charter member has left the ACC, that the league will begin to implode. What that means to the Big 12, I dont know, but it has to move this time.

"Florida State certainly is in that category but I don’t think there’s a 12th team out there on that level — not BYU, not Boise State, not Louisville. Who?"

I know this isn't about basketball, but Louisville is good in football, while being very good at basketball. Overall they strengthen the conference in both sports.

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Stephan123 1 year, 4 months ago

Florida State must be reviewing their options in light of the ACC's declining football prospects/status.

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Robert Brown 1 year, 4 months ago

This has to be a move to bring in more revenue to the Big 10 network. I know a lot of KU people has had a long term dream of KU ending up eventually in the Big 10, this would effective shut the door on this ever happening. I think the new Big 12 contract pretty much made this an unrealistic possibility.

It seems like a 14 team league results in scheduling problems. For example, in the SEC, Missouri will only get to host teams in their opposite division (besides permanent rival), once every 12 years.

I don't think this will break up the ACC unless the SEC decides to make a move. So far, the demise of conferences has been predicted and it hasn't happened, unless you are talking about the WAC. The Big East looks the most vulnerable especially if UConn leaves.

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Ben Kane 1 year, 4 months ago

Matt,

thanks for your ongoing coverage of this!

do you see any action being taken by the likes of virgnia tech and miami in addition to possibly fsu?

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