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Realignment Today: Is Florida State still in play for potential Big 12 expansion?

I’m still working on that granting of rights story to help bring a little clarity to the issue of why KU and the rest of the Big 12 schools can’t or, more likely, won’t leave for another conference any time soon.

I’ll make sure you all see that when it’s finished.

For now, though, let’s shift gears back to the concept of the Big 12 adding schools as opposed to any of the current members leaving.

If we’ve learned nothing else through this whole realignment mess it’s that things change quickly and sometimes turn 180 degrees on the same day.

That seems to be the case currently, as the hottest rumors regarding the Big 12 today center on the possible addition of Florida State and perhaps even one or more other ACC schools.

Miami, Virginia Tech, Clemson and, possibly even Georgia Tech could be included if something were to take place. But right now the whole thing seems to be stuck in a holding pattern featuring heads on swivels.

Curt Popejoy of RantSports.com released a recap late Tuesday night that said Tampa radio stations have been reporting that FSU has accepted an invitation to the Big 12 and that an announcement could come as soon as next week.

I don’t think we’re there yet. There are too many elements of this thing still up in the air, whether that’s the result of the ACC’s lawsuit against Maryland to enforce full payment of the $50 million exit fee or the fact that the Big Ten may still be looking to expand its membership, which, if it did, would have a major impact on the rest of the realignment rodeo.

Multiple sources have told me recently that very few people/schools involved in this mess actually enjoy the idea of realignment but are forced to act or at least prepare to act out of a sense of self preservation.

It’s my belief that the Big Ten, SEC, ACC and Big 12 all have been working hard behind the scenes on ways to not only strengthen their conference through proactive movement, but also to ensure that their current lineups will not be harmed by movement elsewhere.

It’s a sticky situation and could spin out of control just as quickly as it could once again calm down.

If there’s one final thing I’ll emphasize (again) it’s that the Big 12 is happy at 10 teams but is not choosing not to be foolish this time around and won’t simply sit around and wait for the rest of the world to act. That does not mean the league will add BYU or Cincinnati just to expand, but it does mean it could give a serious look at some serious candidates, with Florida State being the top priority among them all.

Here are a few links for you to look over while I wait to hear back from some more folks. I’ll try to update this later today and throughout the week.

Here’s the latest from realignment guru Chip Brown at Orangebloods.com, who offers some great insight from the Texas point of view: http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1445262

The Pac-12 continues to stand by the claim that realignment is not on the horizon, but that’s largely because the league does not have as many attractive options as the others should it choose to expand. Here’s the latest from Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott, who recently said San Diego State and Boise State would be on the league’s list of candidates if it were to expand: http://www.pacifictakes.com/2012/12/4/3721260/conference-realignment-pac-12-boise-state-san-diego-bsu-sdsu

Most of this is common knowledge, but it’s laid out very nicely here: http://www.bloguin.com/crystalballrun/2012-articles/november/the-big-picture-of-conference-realignment.html

Finally, this is a couple of weeks old now (and, in realignment that’s ancient) but here’s what a member of Florida State’s board of trustees had to say recently regarding FSU’s plans: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/19/maryland-florida-state-fsu-trustee-andy-haggard-college-conference-expansion-realignment/1715537/

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Terry N Tom Denner 1 year, 4 months ago

Matt Tait, why don't you along with what the Big12 Commish has done and sow your lips to the Texas AD Dobbs foreskin. The 3 of you Stooges will ruin the Big 12 if the Conference stays a 10 teams. There will be NO SEC games played nor will the Big 12 get any respect from the BCS goonies to make it to any BCS bowls even if one should go undefeated. The Big 12 will be the Bosie State kid on the block that no one wants to have in their circle!!

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Michael Luby 1 year, 4 months ago

This is Waaaay off topic but everytime I see Georgia Tech's name, I think about that sick @$$ put back dunk that Mario Chalmers had against them. That was the 07-08 season, Dec 18th.

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JHWKDW 1 year, 4 months ago

I think Bowlsby may be working for the Pac-12 in a kind of secret way. Remember he worked for Stanford before coming to this drama.

I think they are having him look at the teams in the Big 12, and who looks good if the big 12 collapses, who is the best teams fit to come to the Pac-12.Or maybe if he is not doing that if the Big 12 implodes, he can give info to them about teams in the Big 12, and who cuts it, and who does not. I will tell you this, I think Texas has to look pretty bad in his book, I bet he is documenting all this stuff Texas has done, and how they are acting.

I think we got to get out of this lousy conference, but play a delicate kind of line. Somehow if we can get Kansas, K-State, the Oklahoma Schools, and Texas Tech together to join the Pac-12 wed be in hog heaven. Hey Kirk Bohls, the UT reporter, once angrily tweeted how when UT got shot down that the Pac-12 liked the Oklahoma Schools, Kansas schools, and Texas Tech, but wanted no part of UT. Bohls was insulted that they wanted no part of UT. Really Bohls you wonder why?

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blindrabbit 1 year, 4 months ago

Final result will be 4 major conferences of 16 teams each. Three of the four conferences are already determined: the PAC-12 (or whatever), the B1G and the SEC. PAC-12 needs to add 4 teams to reach 16, B1G needs 2 additional, and SEC also needs 2. The fourth major conference will be made- up of a conglomeration of what remains of the other majors, a combination of Big-12, ACC, BigEast and a few other major programs scattered aroung the country. Can speculate all day long as to the additions to the PAC, B1G and SEC and what will make up the fourth and what it will it be named.

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mariosmiracle 1 year, 4 months ago

I love all your info, but your just another user on the website. Where did this sense of entitlement come from? You act like you have all the answers, but the only people who can hear you are boardrats. Let people share their opinions, because they are just as useful as yours.

P.s. We all know you are manginorh00lz, you can stop pretending now.

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BPSkelly 1 year, 4 months ago

I dont buy the "Texas would never want FSU encroaching on their turf" argument. Sorry, I dont. At least not to the level that some want to make it sound. Id say that idea is the exact reason FSU wouldnt want to join if that were the case.

FSU wouldnt be a total counterweight to UT either. To some degree sure. In the sense that 'some degree' at one point was Nebraska too.

The reality is, if we dont expand 'well' -- with strong football programs / footprint expansion -- it wouldnt be shocking if we were the conference that starts to get picked at. The ACCs problem quite simply is its dollars are lower than the conferences that would be doing the picking... Big 10, SEC, Big 12. Geographically it realistically has to 'defend' on more fronts as well. Part of that is also the fact that the ACC has more attractive options than the Big 12 does at this point as well.

Seriously... beyond UT and OU who's really 'attractive' to other conferences? We're likely next in line there, but to what level does that mean? UT has the $$$ that if they wanted to go independent they could. Im comfortable thats not what they want though. They want exactly what they have... being the lone alpha-male in the room with a group of schools that has little or no choice -- at least currently.

As ive said before, if I felt I could trust UT, I'd be totally fine with the situation we're in. Problem is, what have they done to make us trust them?

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lv_jhwk 1 year, 4 months ago

When will people understand that realignment is ALL ABOUT GEOPGRAPHY. It has very little to do with the reputation of a school. Sure, Rutgers and Maryland likely wouldn't have been accepted into the B1G if they weren't AAU members, but the major reason was where they were located and the number of tv sets they could add.

Take Louisville for instance: strong basketball program (not that it matters), decent football, middling academics. Despite what JHWKDW says, the Cards did not turn down the Big 12, they were never invited. Studies from outside analysts showed that the inclusion of Louisville, Cincinnatti, and other similar schools would be a net loss for the conference institutions. Why? Because any possible increase in overall revenue would not come close to covering the decreased payout each member would receive due to the extra mouth to feed.

Hence, FSU. The Seminoles have the state of Florida as their ticket in, since that would significantly increase the tv market for the conference. Now the networks that have ties to the Big 12 have incentive to pay out a bit more, thus maintaining if not increasing the current income stream.

See, this game really isn't hard to understand.

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blindrabbit 1 year, 4 months ago

Oklahoma Jayhawk: I'd give up on Kansas in the SEC, one Yankee School in with 14 Olde Dixie's; away games would not be pretty! Home games, would be inviting a bunch of Southern's back for the next trashing of Lawrence. The SEC had a hard time taking even Border State Missouri; the SEC does not want us and I suggest, we don't want them. The B1G or PAC-12 would be much better options for KU, be they based on histories, academics or cultures. We ought to jump to either one if offered; would be better than staying in the Texas dominated Big-12.

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THE_REAL_DEAL_WITH_BILL_MCNEIL 1 year, 4 months ago

Newsflash for all of you that still don't get it: Notre Dame is never joining the B1G. N-E-V-E-R

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jhawkrulz 1 year, 4 months ago

I'm torn...I love the Big XII rivalries, but they have fallen down the wayside.

What makes the Big XII weak, is some of the small schools: TCU and Baylor being the top of that list. KSU, TTU, ISU, and OSU also leave a lot to be desired (some in academics).

If you look at the ACC, they don't have as much of an issue with that. It seems like all the ACC schools are desirable.

I see two scenarios, the ACC dissolves or the Big XII dissolves. If the Big XII dissolves it gives a lot more availability to the PAC 12 for expansion. If the ACC dissolves, the Ten, XII, and SEC will just pick and choose to get to 16. I would say that the Ten gets first pick and SEC gets second. The Big XII gets the leftovers with options for Cincy, BYU.

If the ACC dissolves, I still would say that KU might be option to go to the TEN and the Big XII gets a team from the ACC to replace, this let's KU out of the GOR, plus if that is what it takes to get the ACC to dissolve the XII and TEN would be estastic to get rid of all of those $50mm exit fee lawsuits.

With the ACC just signing that deal that was very favorable to Basketball it really gets people talking, but don't lose sight of the power of academics.

When you really look at the teams that have moved in the major conferences, it has been education and tv markets that have made the decision. This is why KSU, ISU, BU, TCU should be scared.

I guess in a nutshell, if the Big XII expands they have a lot of the undesired teams already on their books. If they dissolve and join other conferences, those undesired teams are in trouble.

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Kevin Randell 1 year, 4 months ago

I just see it going several ways:

All in all, ND is the prize for any conference. Especially now since they are in the National Championship. I see this whole thing going to a four 16 team mega conference. At that point you will see the commissioners basically throwing in some clause that you have to be a conference champion in order to play for the National Championship....and forcing ND to pick a conference.

KU to the B1G? Ya, my ear perk up at the sound of a conference wanting us and taking us away from this drama, but I just can't help to think. If the B1G really wanted us why didn't they go after us this time? I just would like some solid proof that we were on their radar.

Big XII needs to either do one of three things. 1. Get on the ball and at least get back to 12 or go to 14 team or we are going to end up left picking the band kids to play dodge ball. 2. Allow the other mega building conference purge us and the scraps head to the Big East...just kidding!...lol. CUSA and MAC seem to be the right fit for the lower tiered teams. OR 3. Change our dang name if we are going to stay at 10!

As for the SEC, I will not lie, I would love to get into this conference. Partly because they are still pretty much regional. I think our Basketball card would give us some credit plus we would have better recruiting opportunities in Florida. Also, on the outside chance I think the conference would like the Boarder War (yes I said war because I am not PC) back with us and Mizzou. But most likely I see them going after OU and OSU/Texas if that happens.

All in all....I just hope this finally comes to an end.

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mahkmood 1 year, 4 months ago

The B1G has never accepted a school from a confederate state. I believe this is one of the reasons why MU was never asked to join, and went to the SEC. Maybe there is nothing to this "Confederate vs. Union" idea, but it is clear that the B1G has 0 schools from confederate states, and the SEC has 0 schools from union states.

My opinion is that most of the powers-that-be in the B1G want to add ND and KU - not UVA, UNC, GT, or UT. However, money from TV sets may drive the B1G to finally add schools from "Southern" states?

The Border War has always been a point of pride that Kansas didn't let the Confederate influence from Missouri overtake it. KU's history and aau status makes the B1G - not the B12 - its proper home.

The remaining "North" aau schools (less the Ivy League) are: KU, Pitt, and ISU. Pitt and ISU would be same-state competition and tv market overlap for Penn State and Iowa respectively. ND would be taken as exception to aau and same-state market concerns. I really think the B1G #15 and #16 will be two of KU, ND, and Pitt because of this somewhat odd, long-standing, unwritten B1G policy "No Confederate State Universities Welcome".

Matt, what's your opinion on this "B1G = Union vs. SEC = Confederate" theory? Coincidence or Unwritten Policy? Does the big TV money finally end this "pattern"?

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JHWKDW 1 year, 4 months ago

First off the conference that must DIE in order to bring balance to the force is the Big East! That turd in the punchbowl conference must be put out of its misery already.

Sorry got to say this but, FSU to the B12 PIPE DREAM PIPE DREAM! Maybe instead of wasting money on that stupid commercial with the mascots, saying there is a new Big 12 conference maybe spending money on something I dunno worthwhile. Well If you cannot get Louisville Rutgers or anyone else worth a lick to come here you think these guys will come here? And being elite Really? Yeah you lose 4 good schools like we did we are not elite Bowlsby.

When it comes down to the bottom line, Texas will shoot FSU down, just like they did before earlier this year. I do not care what money you throw at them, it still comes down to respect, something Texas does not give, and trust me they do not want someone like FSU threatening their supremacy.

Anyway, come on people why the heck do you want all these misfit ACC Teams? Really.? Hey Florida State is not some innocent little angel that was done wrong by the ACC. Everyone in that conference has a bit to blame for their decline.IMHO there are as many overinflated egos in that conference, including Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech or Miami are no sweethearts to deal with. Georgia Tech, Miami, for example have jumped ship from other conferences at least twice. You trust them to stay here? There is so much backstabbing, and fighting amongst them and all their egos, I want NO PART OF IT HERE! Trust me all 9 of us have Texas ego fatigue, well correction 9 current, and 4 said they had enough and said they are out of this drama.

If anything like I said the ACC could grab Texas and WV if anything. With the LHN losing money like it is, do not ever count out ESPN saying enough, and the ACC getting the LHN and making it the ACC/Longhorn network. UT already said no to a B12 Network so count that as happening next. Trust me there are alot of major players that will not let the ACC die.

Our best bet is the Big 10, Id still like the Pac-12 so much, heck even a remote chance as it is the SEC. Those 3 conferences act like adults, and have respect for each other and do not do the petty, childish, backstabbing, and work together unlike the Big 12 and ACC. Those ACC teams even if they were admitted here, would act the same as they did in the ACC trust me.

Hate to say it but Colorado, Texas A&M, Nebraska, and Missouri we smart to leave this drama in their rear view mirror. They all are happy in stable conferences, where they all have a equal voice, and equal revenue sharing.

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wtfusa 1 year, 4 months ago

Gotta say Matt you seem to be really invested on this Grant of Rights circlejerk going on. I for one do not believe that it will stand up better than any other conference exit penalty in the courts. I think the major shot across the bow happened when the B1G took Maryland even with the ironclad $50m exit fee. It really showed that if one of the major conferences wants a school, there is nothing stopping them.

The Big Ten is just a flat out better conference overall, and Grey-Little has to be out of her mind not to want to be in on the CIC. Unlike Nebraska I do not see us losing the AAU status, and the B1G really covets that distinction. We share a better geography and culture with the B1G than we do with Big Texas.

Matt, do you want us to be in a conference with the likes of Waco, Lubbock, and Ames; or Indianapolis, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis, and now DC and NYC.

also, if I'm the mayor of KCMO and KCK I would be calling and pleading with the Big Ten front offices. This is something that can really help the KC image. KC needs to attach itself to the same success that Indianapolis has done.

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amatxjayhawk 1 year, 4 months ago

Wake me when it's over and I'll decide if I'm ever going to give a big damn about what used to be college sports. The fun is really going the way of professional sports, ruined by big bucks and bigger egos. The old college try and win one for the alma mater are gone and my interest is going, going, almost gone.

Now if there are enough others like me (probably not, but I can hope) maybe the big business that is college sports today goes away and sports return to actually being extracurricular activities of the schools. I hope so. Since the bridges are all burned between KU and most of our geographic rivals maybe we could just join the Ivy League and be done with all of this.

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cragarhawk 1 year, 4 months ago

When I really stop and think about this whole realignment mess, the entire thing has that BASEKETBALL feel to it. Is the whole thing the beginning of something terrible for college athletics?? All on account of the dollars....

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oldalum 1 year, 4 months ago

Agreed, although I don't know why that surprises you. They always have and always will think they are the only school that matters.

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MoralVictory 1 year, 4 months ago

Interesting to read the Longhorns link...basically explains that Texas still thinks that they run the league and, apparently, still do.

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Eric TheCapn 1 year, 4 months ago

I hope they aren't. I don't want to make our student-athletes travel so far more that they already have to. Education!

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THE_REAL_DEAL_WITH_BILL_MCNEIL 1 year, 4 months ago

You guys are going to love the new, totally unfounded and baseless rumor: Texas and FSU to the B1G. The B1G relaxes its stance on AAU status to get the huge Florida market and the B1G will have by far the largest TV footprint of any conference, and it won't even be close.

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milehighhawk 1 year, 4 months ago

Rutgers is now suing the Big East over exit fees.

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BPSkelly 1 year, 4 months ago

The reality is, of the "Big 4" conferences the Big 12 is 4th. The ACC in theory has more prestige as 5 (and TV sets by the way). So predicting doom for the ACC is a little silly. At this point with all thats going on it IS the most likely to get picked at though. Geography and TV sets. And more than that, interested parties.

There are dozens of not unrealistic scenarios of multiple ACC teams going multiple places. I dont think thats the case in the Big 12 with the GOR. Could UT and OU bolt to the Pac -12 ? Yea. Sure. But not without giving up their 3rd tier rights -- which likely outweighs what they'd make in a shared network situation. That said, those two are probably the only ones that would apply to. KU does well with its T3 stuff... but my guess is in the Big 10 or Pac-12 that would be comparable.

UT sucks, but its their party and we're simply invited. Resistance is futile. And personally, if I felt like we could actually trust them (and no, I dont), I'd be fine with it. As brutal as we are at football, if we go to the Big 10 we'll be even worse. Likely comparable if we go west to the Pac-12.

I think this TV sets issue is real though. It's why logically speaking, the conference that would implode would be the Big 12. Kansas, Iowa, Oklahoma, West Virginia have small populations. Thats not changing in our lifetimes. Texas is huge, and it shouldnt REALLY surprise folks that UT is so big. The 3 ahead of us (Big10,Pac12,SEC) AND the one with us (ACC) ALL have larger population bases. Lets not pretend this isnt going to be an issue. It is. And all the politicking in the world isnt going to change it.

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THE_REAL_DEAL_WITH_BILL_MCNEIL 1 year, 4 months ago

I think our answer on dissolution would have to be in the Certificate of Incorporation. Unfortunately, I can't find it online. Somebody with a Westlaw or LexisNexis account might be able to pull it up if their plan has a full Delaware database. Hopefully, Matt Tait has acquired a copy for his article.

Here are the details if someone else wants to try to order one:

Entity Details THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT OF GOOD STANDING

File Number: 2521169

Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 06/30/1995 (mm/dd/yyyy)

Entity Name: THE BIG TWELVE CONFERENCE, INC.

Entity Kind: CORPORATION Entity Type: NON-PROFIT OR RELIGIOUS

Residency: DOMESTIC State: DE

REGISTERED AGENT INFORMATION

Name: THE CORPORATION TRUST COMPANY

Address: CORPORATION TRUST CENTER 1209 ORANGE ST

City: WILMINGTON County: NEW CASTLE

State: DE Postal Code: 19801

Phone: (302)658-7581

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THE_REAL_DEAL_WITH_BILL_MCNEIL 1 year, 4 months ago

It seems that most of you haven't read the Big 12 bylaws. Here they are: http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/handbook/ConferenceHandbook.pdf

One thing that is interesting about them is that they do not appear to have changed since the 2010 version, also available on the big 12 site. The old version was not enforced, and there is little reason to believe that the new version (not materially different) has any additional force. See: http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/46245/after-exits-big-12-bylaws-need-an-upgrade

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midwest_muser 1 year, 4 months ago

Please, just get a move to the B1G (Grown ups conference) done soon.

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jayhawkinmullen 1 year, 4 months ago

I'm confused, who is saying they want to leave the Big 12? Why would Kansas leave this conference if nobody else wanted to? Seems really silly. The Big 12 is the best place for Kansas right now.

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Brandon Correll 1 year, 4 months ago

So what happens if teams start to leave and there is no more big 12 or ACC, then the exit fees wouldn't exist.

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John Fitzgerald 1 year, 4 months ago

I say we forget this reallignment stuff and redo everything. Put all the teams in a pool and have 12 major conferences draft them. Might as well seems the craziness just keeps getting crazier and these conferences just can't be satisfied with the money their making. I feel like this crap is a waste of time and we could be focusing on how to lower tuition and finding ways to keep athletes in school as opposed to leaving early for the NFL or NBA. How about the schools reallign their attitudes and develop a structure that makes school affordable and attractive enough to keep student athletes all 4 years. That's the single most important thing in America is education. But, money has taken the place of that and it's exactly why we're witnessing all the conference mumbo jumbo.

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Krohnutz 1 year, 4 months ago

I wish the damn thing would just implode already. Since the Big 12 does not have the cajones to start it up, I hope the Big 10+2+2 or the SEC keep going. Somebody, somewhere, has to grow a pair. Seriously...

The ACC is on life support, they are our direct competition in the pecking order of conference power. Yet we don't step on their neck when they are down? We let an ogre like Swofford come in and pull the Notre Dame deal out from under us, we let them have Louisville, and we just "hang out."

Go after Florida State. Get your plethora of attorneys (aren't you all attorneys anyway?) involved in figuring out how to knock down that 50 million wall. Once you have the 11th then do your homework and look over the best candidates available (once FSU is gone most of the ACC will be pondering their status).

Step on Swofford before he can step on you.

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parrothead8 1 year, 4 months ago

If they are "not choosing not to be foolish," does that mean they are choosing to be foolish?

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Kyle Sybesma 1 year, 4 months ago

Another link about the FSU to the Big 12. It mentions Cincinnati as another school looking to go anywhere but the Big East.

http://sportige.com/florida-state-seminoles-soon-a-big-12-team-12-2012/

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jgkojak 1 year, 4 months ago

We have ignored the alternate SEC scenerio -- for the SEC to get to 16 - if Va Tech and NC State balk - Va Tech especially could - they could decide to grab Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. The geography works (OSU is 2 hours from U of Arkansas).

This will happen if the ACC teams, including FSU, decide to remain content.

If that happens, I can see two possibilities:

1) The B10 grabs Kansas and Texas(!) as a package.

2) Texas goes Indy, the B10 may or may not grab KS (who is Team #16?)

3) Texas calls the Pac 12, who answers, and offers to take 1 school - they prefer KS, TTU is second choice.

4) Worst-case for KU: SEC grabs the Oklahoma schools Texas decides to be an Indy The Pac 12 make no offer to KU w/out Texas The ACC schools stick to their guns The B1G sticks at 14

even if this stalemate went on for a couple of years it would be disastrous for KU

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cajayfan 1 year, 4 months ago

Bleep the University of Texas. I wish they would secede. That orangebloods article disgusted me. Sounds like we are the third choice(how nice)for Florida State, behind the SEC and Big10. If you are a poker player, you know they are going to use the Big 12 as a card to play to bluff with the other two conferences....I wish they would see the Big 12 as a bird in the hand. I think most schools will see dealing with Texas as a negative.

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THE_REAL_DEAL_WITH_BILL_MCNEIL 1 year, 4 months ago

I'm going to keep KU guy's critique of this whole thing alive as long as I can: why does this whole story continue to be relegated to a blog and a collection of links?

Where is the reporting? Where is the journalism? Why can't the ljworld figure out that this is so much more than a sports story?

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THE_REAL_DEAL_WITH_BILL_MCNEIL 1 year, 4 months ago

I read the article about Larry Scott and I also read the entire interview that the article was written about. No where did Larry Scott ever say that Boise State or SDSU were on the list of potential candidates. In fact, Larry Scott never even mentioned either school. The only person to ever mention them was Avinash Kunnath, the blogger.

I can guarantee that Boise State and SDSU are not on the PAC's list and never will be.

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Krohnutz 1 year, 4 months ago

So after reading Chip's assessment that Texas was the "anchor that saved the Big 12," it made me realize how full of $hit that school and their fanbase truly are. It reminded me of why I hate Texas. If we fail to land Florida State, KU should take any offer anywhere.

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justinryman 1 year, 4 months ago

So the ACC would basically be left with UNC, NCst, Duke, Wake, Clemson and a few others,

Making it the Athletic Carolinas Conference.

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jgkojak 1 year, 4 months ago

They need to be aggressive.

They should make an offer (i.e.state interest) to 6 - FSU, Ga Tech, Clemson and Miami- and for sh*ts and giggles, NC State and Va Tech.

That gives a nice eastern "base" and makes travel for those main 4, once you add WVU, no different than they left in the ACC (remember they have to go to Boston Coll and Syracuse, which are just as far as Austin and Lawrence - in fact, a tad closer as the crow flies).

What would that look like? (with Sagarin football rating)

B12 EAST: FSU (17) , Ga Tech (65) , Clemson (24) , Miami (54) , WVU (28), TCU (26), Baylor (20)
B12 WEST: ISU (38), KU (85), KSU (5) OU (9) , OSU (14), Tex (15), TTU (27)

That would be an entertaining conference.

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THE_REAL_DEAL_WITH_BILL_MCNEIL 1 year, 4 months ago

Have you put any calls in to any academic contacts? Presidents/Chancellors/Provosts/Regents?

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Pbbut 1 year, 4 months ago

If Florida State is actually considering leaving, what are the influences on the "old-guard" ACC and what their viability might be? Maryland is already leaving, what else? If Florida State were to join the Big 12, why limit the vision to Clemson? I'd say we'd need to look at all ACC options, including schools like UNC, Virginia, Duke, Ga Tech...They may abhor the idea, but if you're drowning, you look for a life preserver, much like we have in the past scenarios. Can I have my old Big 8 back?

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Carter Patterson 1 year, 4 months ago

I have a hard time digesting this without a percentage wheel.

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Tony Bandle 1 year, 4 months ago

Frankly, the true solution to all this realignment mess is unspoken but frightenly simple.

ABC, ESPN & FOX get together and come up with a list of 64 colleges that they will commit their billions to broadcast within a four, sixteen team superconference format while including a built-in eight team National Championship playoff system. [simply have the winners of the four conferences plus the next four best teams.]

Give the list to the NCAA and state simply...make it so, or else we will do it!!

It's so simple, it's ridiculous!!! It won't happen, of course, because it is so simple!! :)

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Doug Roberts 1 year, 4 months ago

Everybody wants to add all of these powerhouse football programs. How about adding a couple of rummies, huh? Because right now, KU is the only rummy on everybody's schedule.

Bringing in more successful football programs will hurt schools like Oklahoma and Texas who will invariably lose to the new schools at some point and miss out on championship games, final four, whatever you want to call it. And forget about KU ever being successful again. I actually think the Big 10 had it right when they brought in Maryland and Rutgers. Those programs aren't going to challenge any of the Big 10 schools for dominance, and they'll help pad their schedules with W's too. AND they also bring in the coveted TV markets that realignment seems to only be about anyway. Smart move by the Big 10 I say, and if the Big 12 expands I think that's the way it should go.

Wouldn't mind bringing in a UConn or Louisville (for example) that has troubles with football, but has a powerhouse basketball team because our Jayhawks need some SERIOUS competition in basketball. We're the only ones to win a basketball national championship in the Big 12.

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KGphoto 1 year, 4 months ago

From Curt Popejoy of RantSports:

"Once I heard this rumor, I started putting out some feelers to see if I could get any level of confirmation. At this point I am getting a lot of no comments, which to me is promising because if there was nothing to it, I’d get a flat-out no."

I bet it's on. And there has to be that second team. Clemson and Florida State, c'mon down! You're the next contestants on Realignment WTF!!

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hawkfan20 1 year, 4 months ago

I've seen some opinions with a Grant of Rights that if a school left, their penalty would be relative to the school they were replaced with. So let's say KU went to the Big 10 and the Big 12 replaces KU with Florida State. There would be little financial harm to the Big 12 (if any) and KU might not face much of a exit fee. I know the Grant of Rights says otherwise, but you have to look at how it's likely to be ruled upon in court.

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ku1otaku 1 year, 4 months ago

Please be proactive and add FSU & Clemson. Or expand to 14 and pick-up Miami and V-Tech as well.

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DanHogan 1 year, 4 months ago

Sources aside, do you buy in to the idea of Georgia Tech going to the Big Ten?

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Steve Hillyer 1 year, 4 months ago

As I read Chip Brown's story last night I came to a different conclusion than you Matt, it sounds like there are some Big 12 schools that are not happy at 10 and want to expand, this is why I think there is some legitimacy to the reports of teams leaving the Big 12, particularly KU. If Texas continues to resist expansion I can see other schools looking for alternatives as it would be an indication that it's just be the same old thing, UT running the conference. Expanding, especially into Florida and other populated states would provide a counter balance to Texas.

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