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Why Kansas is winning the conference realignment game

Kansas University athletic director Sheahon Zenger watches the Jayhawks warm up before tip off against Texas Tech on February 1, 2011.

Kansas University athletic director Sheahon Zenger watches the Jayhawks warm up before tip off against Texas Tech on February 1, 2011. by Richard Gwin

10:21 p.m. Update:

Back with a link. No word of the 10-2 margin here, but this backs up Chip Brown's info.

10:13 p.m. Update:

Word is starting to trickle in about the SEC vote regarding A&M. Chip Brown of Orangebloods.com has Tweeted that he heard the vote was 10-2 in favor of adding the Aggies.

In addition, Brown says the SEC has targeted West Virginia as its first choice as the 14th member.

No official announcement expected until sometime tomorrow... But anything less than 10-2 in favor would shock me. A&M's going to the SEC and when that's official, things will really start moving.

Buckle up.

And, of course, stay tuned...

7:37 p.m. Update:

Sorry... Had to step away for a bit to make a few calls, but, while I was away, this came across the wire. Nothing Earth-shattering here but it is interesting nonetheless.

For those who see this as a bad sign, stop and think for a minute what you would expect the regents to say. Anyway, here it is... From The Associated Press.

As we move into the evening we're just waiting for word from the SEC about whether they officially invited Texas A&M into the league or not. Oh, I guess we're also waiting to see if A&M accepts if they're invited. Wouldn't that be interesting.

Stay tuned...

Here's the bulk of the AP report:

• LAWRENCE, Kan. (AP) — The chairman of the Kansas Board of Regents says it would be best for Kansas and Kansas State to remain in the same conference, even if the Big 12 eventually falls apart.

Ed McKechnie told The Associated Press in a phone interview Tuesday that the Board prefers for the Big 12 to remain together, and "until something happens, I'm just not going to speculate on what else there could be."

The New York Post reported Monday the Big East has studied the feasibility of adding three schools — possibly Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri — to create a super conference with 12 football-playing members and 20 schools that participate in basketball.

Athletic directors for all three schools said Saturday they remain committed to the Big 12, even though officials from Oklahoma have acknowledged that other conferences are interested in the Sooners and Texas A&M has announced plans to leave the 10-member league.

4:13 p.m. Update:

Mentioned this briefly in the comments below, but thought I should throw it up here for those who missed it.

We all know that the Big East is offering up a fallback plan to a few Big 12 schools should the conference blow up. Multiple sources have told me that contact has been made and that, while there isn't an official offer in place, there has been talk of an offer-to-be should the Big 12 cease to exist.

If that becomes true, it's entirely possible that the Big East, which now is on the record saying it wants to expand to 12 football schools, would gladly slide into the TV slot vacated by the Big 12, which could include a substantial deal from Fox. Although the numbers probably would not be the same — since the Big East would not have UT or OU — they would be significant and enough to make the Big East a player in the super conference game.

Again, I'm not saying this is the direction KU is headed or should be headed, just pointing out that those who are down on the Big East being an option should remember that what you're down on is not the same as what it would become.

Here's a link that explains more about the Big East's desire to expand to 12 football schools.

2:34 p.m. Update:

Not a lot here, but this statement came out of the chancellor's office today. KU chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little continues to stress that the Big 12 is the best place for Kansas.

Having said that, there's clear language in here that indicates that the Jayhawks are not standing pat and waiting for the Big 12 to be saved.

Here's her statement:

"It's obviously disappointing that it has come to this point. Keeping the Big 12 strong and competitive remains our top preference, but no matter what happens we're going to continue to work in the best interests of the University of Kansas. That's our number one priority and it's what we've been focused on throughout the process as we've looked at all our options when it comes to conference realignment."

Original Post:

Kansas University athletic director Sheahon Zenger is having one of those Jerry Maguire moments right about now.

Sitting in front of Zenger, who’s been on the job all of eight months, are two very different options. Option 1: Join the masses in the relentless pursuit of the almighty dollar while doing whatever it takes to reach that end. Option 2: Stick to your guns, lean on your morals and hope that, somehow and someday, the very thing you’ve spent your entire life believing in — the good of man — will be enough to keep KU afloat once this conference realignment madness comes to a close.

Time to call Rod Tidwell.

While Zenger has stood tall, remained honest with everyone and, perhaps to a fault, taken the word of his fellow Big 12 ADs to be worth something, presidents and administrators at other Big 12 institutions, as well as in conferences around the nation, have been scheming. All apologies for the negative connotation that automatically comes with the word, but you know the saying. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, right?

On the outside, nervous KU fans and probably even a few of KU’s coaches, likely are wishing that Zenger would do more. Call the Pac-12 and beg for a spot. Tell ’em how much more attractive KU is than Texas Tech. Dial up the Big Ten and explain to them all of the wonderful cultural and academic offerings that KU would bring. Hammer home to anyone who will listen the point about KU’s hoops program being truly elite, one of the best of all-time, a program with unparalleled tradition. All true. All irrelevant at the moment.

I’m not saying that Zenger shouldn’t be making calls. In the wake of last weekend’s comments from Oklahoma president David Boren, it’s safe to assume KU’s AD is making and taking a lot of calls these days. What I am saying is that panicking would be the worst move for Kansas right now. The conferences in question know exactly what KU brings to the table. Some like it. Others are merely luke warm about it. But it’s there. Groveling, pleading or, worse yet, mud-slinging only will harm KU’s image. And right now, in a situation driven by very little substance, image is everything.

With a new conference and another sexy scenario entering the picture almost every hour now, it doesn’t take a genius to see how fragile things are. A wink and a deal one minute can be blown to bits the next. Wanna know the easiest way for an AD to make sure the second part of that equation happens? Have him start running his mouth and beating his chest about what a great deal he pulled off. Poof! Gone.

But Zenger won’t do it. And it’s a smart move. Not for him, but for KU. By staying patient and in tune with everything that's going on out there, the Jayhawks are ensuring that they'll be fine when all this is over. More than a few people in the conference have told me that. So why mess it up by gravitating toward the spotlight?

While it may make some nervous and cause others to scratch their heads or pull their hair out, Zenger’s playing this thing just right. On the surface, Kansas is loyal to the Big 12 and, if circumstances allow, always will be. But a few layers deeper, there’s real action taking place and, believe it or not, both Zenger and KU chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little are right in the middle of it.

Remember, Zenger’s an old football coach. The man knows how to fight. Although it may look like he’s passively standing by, that’s anything but the case. There's a lot at stake here — both in terms of KU's position in the future of college athletics and legal ramifications — and a misstep one way or the other could not only jeopardize KU's spot at the big boy table but also could cost the university and/or the Big 12 a ton of money.

Here’s the deal; regardless of what Zenger does or does not do in the next couple of weeks, all that matters is how this thing turns out. If KU lands on its feet in one of the so-called power conferences — be it the Big East, Pac-12, Big Ten or even the Big 12 — then all of the anxiety many are feeling will be forgotten. Don’t buy it? Come talk to me in four or five weeks and I’ll ask you what happened in Kansas State’s football opener this weekend. Sure, the Wildcats’ 10-7 escape at home against Eastern Kentucky is fresh and kind of funny right now, but K-State won. And that’s all we’ll remember. The same would’ve held true a year ago had the Jayhawks found a way to sneak past North Dakota State, 10-6, 9-6, 8-6, whatever.

And that’s where we’re at with conference realignment, too.

Just before Jerry Maguire had his moment of clarity, the young son of a high-profile client who had just suffered a serious injury uttered a few choice words to the hot-shot sports agent. Born from the feeling that followed was Maguire’s mission statement: “The Things We Think and Do Not Say.”

At this point, I’m not sure if the Big 12 is going to survive or not. A week ago, I would’ve said yes. Two days ago I would’ve said no way. There’s a lot of talk regarding the league’s uncertain future right now. But it’s the things that aren’t said that could shape how this whole thing turns out. That includes pulling back on phrases like “Show me the money.”

I know this isn’t Hollywood. But you have to admit, it kind of feels like it.

Comments

jgkojak 3 years, 11 months ago

Agree with the premise of the article.

But as for substance:

We know for sure KU has a spot in the Big East.

But for most of us, that would be a let down, a bad choice, and not what KU deserves.

(Does anybody really think the Big East survives this re-alignment?)

KU's spot should be in the Big 10. I understand what you're saying about the dignified posture of KU in this circumstance. I get it and appreciate it.

But most of us do not view the Big East, even if they agree to split the football champ. game with Arrowhead and Jersey, an acceptable alternative.

And most of us believe KU to the Big East sells KU short.

Matt Tait 3 years, 11 months ago

All fair points and I certainly understand it. But, trust me, if the Big East becomes a player here it will be with survival in mind.

The Big East's TV football contract expires on Nov. 1, 2012 and there's talk that the league desperately wants to get to 12 football teams before then to be able to negotiate a bigger deal.

If the Big 12 blows up and the Big East absorbs a few former Big 12 teams, that TV deal very well could be in line with the one that Beebe and company negotiated with Fox this summer, which, as I'm sure you're aware, is not chicken feed.

Not saying the Big East is or should be KU's No. 1 choice... Just trying to emphasize that if that's the worst-case scenario here, KU's just fine.

Hank Cross 3 years, 11 months ago

Agree with that. Glad you brought up the part about the BE contract negotiations which will take place next September. If it expands and adds KU, expect a big payday. The P12 is still preferrable for overal athletics, academics, and locations, but the BE is not some nightmare scenario.

kuilander 3 years, 11 months ago

matt, lets say the big east somehow does pull in ku/kst/mu and somehow keeps all of their current fball schools amidst all of the poaching the BE can expect if chaos goes down ... how does that contract pull in the type of money a big xii-2 contract that includes texas/okl/aTm in it? i dont see how that conference is going to get a similar tv contract. east coast tv markets perhaps?

Kyle Sybesma 3 years, 11 months ago

How does the Big East fit KU basketball in? Will they eliminate Marquette, St. Johns, Notre Dame and others who don't participate in football? If the SEC and Big 10 decide to expand they'll be plucking from the Big East putting us in the same position a few years down the road. The Big 10 would look at Notre Dame, Syracuse and West Virginia. I Hope KU can end up on that list. If the SEC expands they'll go after A&M, W Virginia and ACC schools like Clemson or Virginia Tech. The ACC then would replenish from the Big East. In my opinion Missouri is the kicker. Will they go to the SEC like I hope they do and leave a window of hope to KU for the Big 10 or do they take our spot in the Big 10 and leave us out to dry?

hailtoku 3 years, 11 months ago

A couple of things:

  1. I'm not so sure if KU joins the Big East that we won't be in this same position in another 5 years.

  2. If the Big East were guaranteed to be a strong conference in the future, I think it would benefit KU athletics a great deal. We would become a UCONN type athletic program. A basketball-minded conference with weaker football programs in a BCS conference? Does it get much better for KU?

baldwinjhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

I have a friend interning in the athletic dept right now. He's a kstate grad.. But he has told me repeatedly that the chancellor is on fire with this situation right now. He says not to underestimate her one bit. That's good news to me because i wasn't really a fan of hers until now.

Ryan Mullen 3 years, 11 months ago

My biggest fear is that Zenger will not be able to pull away from K-State if the opportunity presents itself. I believe that he is an honest man maybe too honest for his position. That is precisely why it scares me to think he will more than stick up for his Alma Mater K-State and in the process take down KU with them . If he is saying to conferences that KU and K-State are a package deal then we are screwed unless we go the Beast which I for one don't want anything to do with.

Matt Tait 3 years, 11 months ago

Both Zenger and Gray-Little have said repeatedly that there is nothing official tying KU and K-State together in this deal.

I think both schools would agree that sticking together is a desired outcome but neither is going to put the partnership above its own best interest.

johnnyhrdwd 3 years, 11 months ago

This is business not personal, he won't let Kstate drag KU down. If he had loyalty issues he would have never taken the job. You really think he took the job at KU so he could worry about kstate?

Ryan Mullen 3 years, 11 months ago

Yes I do. I believe he took the job specifically so he could spy on KU and then tell K-State all of KU's secrets. I have sources that tell me he gives Frank Martin Bill Self's playbook and when KU offers a young man Zenger gets on the phone and lets K-States ad know all about it.

Randy Bombardier 3 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, and Dodds is doing everything at UT to enhance his ole alma mater, too.

unmsports 3 years, 11 months ago

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! In fact that is the type of sentiment to be expected from and demonstrated by KSU fans. Who cares if his alma mater is KSU, he is a professional (not to mention he received his Ph.D from KU). In this field, where people may work for a dozen different institutions as well as receive degrees from multiple schools, alma maters do not mean anything when it comes to business and doing their job. Having loyalty to an alma mater, to the point of violating not only business ethics and personal morals but also walking a fine line of criminal activity is for people that do not know what they are talking about and have no idea how that business world works.

I relate your comment to something KSU fans would say because it is narrow minded, scared, immature, and a self preserving statement. It is similar to the kind of attitudes that were displayed by the Manhattan community when coaches from Snyder's original staff started making names for themselves and moving to bigger and better business opportunities to further their career.

To think that a highly educated, high profile sport administrator, and Kansan would take the head administrator position at a major university just to "spy" on that school and relay information to another school (alma mater or not), is absurd. I think you should check back with your "sources", they obviously have no idea what they are talking about.

Ryan Mullen 3 years, 11 months ago

I really hope your employer doesn't know how gullible you are. I was being sarcastic to the posters response of "you really think he took the job a KU just so he could worry about K-State". For me to think that would be absurd. I do on the other hand like to think he has emotions for k-state.

unmsports 3 years, 11 months ago

Fair enough, I overreacted. However, I am sure he has positive emotions for k-state, which is good. But, they should not have any influence on his decision making process as it relates to KU's well being and future level of competition.

5to6 3 years, 11 months ago

I also agree with the premise. If we find ourselves in a bad position in a few weeks, then it is fair to criticize Zenger. Until then, he's doing the smart thing by being discreet, and there's no reason for people to panic about perceived inactivity.

Fred Davis 3 years, 11 months ago

I'm mystified - and I'm not alleging Tait is doing this, nor am I quite sold on the Jerry Maguire analogy - as to why people are convinced that Zenger isn't doing anything about what conference KU will end up in. I know, people think "this is what made Lew Perkins so great" and hey, I'm a Lew guy, but what is Zenger supposed to do? Update everyone every hour on the progress of the Big 12 and where KU's headed? These are not the kind of negotiations that you want dragged into public, and I'd rather my AD - as a Jayhawk Alum - stay mum in front of the camera while working his magic behind the scenes. As Tait pointed out - Zenger is a football coach, but he's also a journalist, and he's a businessman. So make no mistake about it, if there's one thing this man knows - it's what he wants the opposing team to see, what he wants the fans to see, and what he wants shareholders and investors to see. All the while he's got all the information he needs and he'll share it with the rest of us on a need to know basis. Finally - he's a Kansan. He knows what KU means to alums, this region and the state. KU is going to be fine, and The Zeng is going to make sure of it... In Zeng We Trust

hawk82 3 years, 11 months ago

Jason K.'s right. But it will be the Pac-18 or Pac-20. Count on it.

Justin Lindsley 3 years, 11 months ago

I think KU is doing a great job publicly. Look at Stoops. He keeps opening his mouth and making headlines. If Oklahoma is bluffing to try to gain power they may still be responsable in the end for the implosion of the Big 12. Everytime someone speaks it casts doubt over everyone else. Everyone should just shut up and talk behind closed doors.

Except the Big 12 office. How disfunctional are they? Beebe has "comment" thus far on this huge development. I think if and that seems to be a big if the Big 12 stays put, Beebe should be replaced by a stronger leader!

jhox 3 years, 11 months ago

On the contrary, I believe it is OU's calculated intent (via their public comments) to insure that the Big 12 implodes, so they can take Texas and OU with them to the Pac 12. Either that, or they're showing Texas they mean business, and that Texas needs to share the wealth or OU and OSU are gone.

David Boren is far too good a politician to make the kind of statements he's made without having a very good idea of their ramifications. I do not believe OU's comments are being made without very careful consideration.

As for Zenger, I'm confident he has KU's interests as his number one goal. What I worry about is that he is a KSU alum, and subconsciously I hope he doesn't let their fate play a role in his decisions. I am very negative on the Big East right now, and pray we don't end up in that conference. A year ago I would have been fine with the Big East, but we likely have better options this time around. We would be foolish to not be lobbying the Pac 12 and even the Big 10 at this point.

LAJayhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

I don't think it would be to get Texas to "share the wealth," but, rather, for ESPN to pony up and finance OU's own network. It behooves ESPN and Texas to have the Big 12 survive, as TLN would see the most profit (at least for Texas) that way. OU threatening to blow up the league could be a tactic to threaten ESPN into negotiating the independent contract.

Not sure if that's the case or not (I'm leaning more to no), but it certainly could be a real possibility. At the very least, that is one option OU is pushing for in doing what they are doing. If that doesn't happen, obviously PAC 12 is a good option for them. They have a lot of leverage.

Daniel Kennamore 3 years, 11 months ago

I don't think anyone doubts that there is an unannounced deal for KU to land in the Big East, it's that a Big East conference will be the weakest and least stable of the BCS conferences after a Big 12 implosion.

When the Big Ten expands (and they will, whether it be this year or a few down the line)...the most likely schools they'll poach are in...you guessed it, the Big East. So if they take 2 or 4 teams from the Big East we could end up in the exact same boat that we are in now. This is why so many of us are pushing for a move to a stable conference and see the Big East as a scary and unstable 'worst case' option.

Tony Bandle 3 years, 11 months ago

Matt, you have the class, professionalism and guts to face up and respond to us posters in real time.

Whether I agree with you or not, just the fact that you take us seriously puts you wwaayy ahead of all the other journalists except maybe Jesse, who has a similar style.

Thanks for your insight and your responses...you truly are Matt "The Great" Tait!!

Matt Tait 3 years, 11 months ago

Awww, shucks. Just doing my job. Glad you can get something out of it! Thanks.

Daniel Kennamore 3 years, 11 months ago

+1 to Oakville's comment.

It's awesome that you take the time to interact with us while this develops (and changes) minute-by-minute.

FLJHK 3 years, 11 months ago

Matt: Like others, I can't tell you how much I appreciate your updates and over-the-top efforts on this matter. Thank you.

I really like your perspective in this piece. I do think it's critical that KU hold to its honor and take the high road.

More on my academic bias in these considerations because I think it is a major factor. The following are breakdowns, by conference, regarding membership in the AAU (American Association of Universities).

AAU membership is by no means the say all, end all of academic integrity. Certainly there are many outstanding universities that are excellent schools while not being an AAU member. Notre Dame is perhaps the best example. But it is a very important credential, and there is a natural affinity among members. AAU membership means you are regarded as a major research university; you share much in common with other members.

Regarding existing major athletic conferences, AAU membership is distributed as follows:

Big 10 11 of 12 are members. Nebraska is the only exception, having lost their AAU membership credential shortly after their Big 10 invite.

Pac 12 8 of 12 are members. Non-members are the three schools with “State” as their last name (WSU, OSU and ASU) and Utah.

Existing Big 12 5/10 In: KU, MU, ISU, TAM, UT, ISU. (It was 5/12 when CU and NU were members).

ACC 5/12 In: G. Tech, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Maryland.

SEC 2/10 In: Florida, Vanderbilt

Big East 2/16 In: Pitt, Rutgers. (Syracuse, like Nebraska, recently lost AAU membership).

This, plus geography and culture, is largely why I so favor a Big 10 invite. But given their hesitation, it is also why I would support a Pac 12 invite.

With the exception of the SEC, AAU membership is a measure of conference stability. While market size and football prowess are (regrettably) likely more significant factors in current day debates, it is still a considerable factor.

It also explains various other factors. It is why Pitt and Rutgers are in such an enviable position. They bring both market size and academic integrity into the equation. They will likely be solicited by both the Big 10 and ACC.

It explains why the ACC is far more stable than the Big East, and why they are likely to emerge as the 4th “superconference.”

It is a significant factor in why KU and MU remain attractive targets, and why the Big East would quickly invite MU, ISU, KU (with little brother KSU) into the conference.

If the trend toward 4 16-team super-conferences continues, the Big 10 is short-sighted not to pursue KU and MU. If a Pac-12 invite was to happen in the meantime, KU would be foolish to foolish to reject it. The Big 10 is a better option, but they would need to act quickly and there is no indication they will do so.

FLJHK 3 years, 11 months ago

Typo: Actually the Big 12 was 7 of 12 when NU and CU were members.

Karen Mansfield-Stewart 3 years, 11 months ago

A Big 10 invite would be a home run for KU. I just don't see it.

Matt Tait 3 years, 11 months ago

Never say never... Not likely, but not out of the question.

texashawk10 3 years, 11 months ago

If the Big 10 goes to 16 teams, ND will be one those teams guaranteed. However, the Big 10 can add a better TV market-academic combination by also adding Pitt, Maryland, UVA. Pittsburgh is an AAU school and in the 23rd largest TV market and has an established rivalry with PSU. Maryland add the DC (9th) and Baltimore (26th) TV markets and also has a rivalry with PSU. UVA is an elite academic school and would likely get in invite should Maryland also receive one. ND does a better job of gaining a foothold in NYC than Rutgers which means Rutgers is not likely to get an invite. A KU-MU combination only adds KC which is smaller than DC, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore in regards to TV market size.

Randy Bombardier 3 years, 11 months ago

I don't see the Big10 venturing into ACC territory except for one school and not now. I see the Big E as a target and the Big12. The ACC will most likely be one of the megas and will absorb a lot of the BigE. I think the BigE will be gone unless some very savvy politics keeps it together. In the end it appears that the Big10 wants to take the path of least resistance. Therefore, if OU and OSU announce they are gone, that could change everything. It would be easy for the Big10 then to add two, KU and MU, and adopt a wait and see. Once the ACC starts poaching in response to FSU going to SEC, then the BigE will topple with the Ten hanging around in the wings to get Pitt, make an overture to ND and once rebuffed pick up BC. But I don't think they want to burst the pinata, but once broken will pick what they like.

texashawk10 3 years, 11 months ago

SEC will likely add an ACC school or two when they go to 16 teams and that would allow the Big 10 to poach Maryland and Virginia (especially if Va Tech is one of the schools the SEC adds) and add to that the Big East will likely have a better TV contract than the ACC next year. I believe at this point that the ACC is the more vulnerable of the two east coast conferences because of the TV contract situation and there have also been a lot of rumors swirling about an ACC-Big East merger, and the Big East splitting into two separate entities with one group made up of football and basketball members and the other of basketball only schools.

DenverBuzz 3 years, 11 months ago

I've seen really only 2 options: KU join another conference, or hang with the Big 12 (er, 9...or 4...). Perhaps there are other options Has there been any talk of poaching schools to join the Big 12? Like, Colorado St., Air Force, SMU, TCU? CSU and AFA would tap the Colorado market, at least.
Or if UT, OU, OSU leave, maybe revert to Big 8 with KU, K-State, Mizzou, ISU, CSU, AFA, TT, Baylor?

eddiesuttonschoolofdriving 3 years, 11 months ago

Thanks for the updates Matt. I have a question though. My preference would be for KU to end up in the Big 10 (Pac 10 second choice) because I think it would be best for the fans and athletes for travel and development of rivalries. Also, the Big 10 is a good fit academically as Kansas is certainly on par with Minnesota, Indiana, or Illinois and we would benefit from the association with Big 10 research institutions and their research money.
However, I keep hearing that the Big 10 is not considering Kansas, but may be considering Missouri. Is this accurate, and if so, why? Is football really the reason? I understand that KU's football facilities/crowds/tradition aren't top tier, but are they really that much different that Mizzou's (or those at Northwestern, Minnesota, or Indiana)? It would seem KU has an edge academically over Missouri as well.

d_prowess 3 years, 11 months ago

I am practically throwing up as I type this, but in a number of rankings, MU is looked upon as a better school than KU. I think KU is close, but still ranked lower.
And from a TV market, they are considered to have fans representing KC and St Louis, while KU only represents KC.
Don't forget, this is still about money or at the end of the day or else the B10 would have ditched NU once they lost their AAU status (which KU has been alerted by the AAU as being a bottom tier school).

Graczyk 3 years, 11 months ago

KU might lose AAU? Ouch. It's not that I don't believe you, but do you have a link handy? I want to read more about that.

d_prowess 3 years, 11 months ago

I know it was on the LJWorld at some point, but their website has have the worst archive search process I have ever dealt with. It hurts inside to even think about searching for a past article!

FLJHK 3 years, 11 months ago

I've heard something about this too, maybe in an alumni publication. I know KU is in the lower tier, and likely has to do with not attracting enough research dollars in recent years.

AAU membership needs to be sustained over time, it is not automatic. Along with Nebraske, Syracuse also recently lost their membership. Administration is certainly aware of the matter and I'm sure will do all they can. It's absolutely critical to KU's long term interests.

Graczyk 3 years, 11 months ago

From a few articles I read, it sounds like it took a decade to kick Nebraska out. I doubt they will make any more moves that quickly, but you never know.

konzahawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Missouri's AAU membership status is in worse shape than ours.

John Randall 3 years, 11 months ago

That's a popular opinion this side of the state line, but the status of MU-KU-ISU-NU and a few others in Big10 aren't enough different to argue about.

Hatter8333 3 years, 11 months ago

I am curious why we don't hear much about the ACC? If the SEC takes one of their teams I believe KU would be a logical choice for them to look at. ESPN would love it from a basketball standpoint and we could compete in football.

trey 3 years, 11 months ago

Matt, love reading your blog and opinion. You always bring sincere insight and it's often unique. But on a couple of points...

This isn't an either/or proposition for our AD. He can both keep a low profile publicly, AND aggressively work to get a KU invite with the PAC or BIG behind the scenes. My fear is that if we wait for the other shoe to drop on the Big12, which is "any" team announcing they're moving, then the Big12 is toast and we will be in a weakened position. OU may then be able to dictate that OSU comes with them to the PAC. And Texas may be able to dictate that TTech goes with them to the PAC.

If all the PAC slots are taken, we're then down to praying that the BIG invites a MU/KU combo, or we end up in the West division of the very short-term Big East.

I just don't see how the Big East will make it in Football. To think that the Big East will make it, you'd have to believe that either the BIG or ACC aren't going to expand by targeting some of these Big East schools (Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, West Virginia), or that these schools wouldn't go. They'd be fools not to go.

A Big East football conference with KU, K-State, Iowa State, Cinci, Louisville, USF and TCU is not big-time. In either football or bball. And note, MU is not going to end up in the Big East.

I'm very concerned if we're thinking the Big East is a good fall-back option, so we can wait on OU and Texas to decide if they're going to stick in the Big12.

Hank Cross 3 years, 11 months ago

SZ is right to follow the Don Corleone's advice and never let anyone outside the family know what he is thinking. As long as calls are being made and taken, that's all that needs to happen at this point. At some point public posturing may be needed to obtain leverage in negotiations, but not now.

Hopefully, SZ recognizes that Option 1 is his only option. KU didn't stand at some altar and swear before God that it would remain faithful to KSU, MU or anyone else. All of this is just arm's length transactions between sophisiticated, powerful enterprises. It's not a sin, evil, or immoral to break ties with a conference or another university. It is only a good business decision or a bad one.

BGL's statement hits the right notes too. Lip service to the obvious preference, but a greater understanding about what really is ahead.

texashawk10 3 years, 11 months ago

If the UT turning down the PAC 12 and talking with the ACC rumors are true, then I would venture a guess that the PAC 12 becomes KU's most likely destination should OU decide to head out west. Without Texas, Texas Tech has no shot at the PAC 12, which would likely mean that OU, OSU, KU, and MU would be 4 teams going to the PAC 12 conference.

I don't think the Big 10 will be an option for KU unless the Big 10 is rejected by eastern schools. Notre Dame officials deciding joining the Big 10 is the only way for ND football to survive in the new era of college athletics. I believe the Big 10 will look east for the other 3 schools because they want to add TV markets and a combination of Pitt-Maryland does that by adding DC (9th), Pittsburgh (23rd), and Baltimore (26th). The 16th spot would then come down to Missouri, Virginia, and Rutgers. I believe the Big 10 would choose to add Virginia out of those three schools because UVA is always considered a top 10 public school. Notre Dame does a better job than Rutgers of adding NYC, and Missouri has already been rejected which doesn't lead me to believe they would be considered this time around either.

The only way KU and KState end up together would be a move to the Big East or if the Big 12 stays together. The Big East has to be the fall back plan I would guess if the Big 12 falls apart and KU can't go west.

addlime 3 years, 11 months ago

Thanks everyone for your analyses regarding the potential conference re-alignments. I haven't really understood the bashing of the Big East until now. Is anyone out there even just a little excited about the prospect of KU playing in a conference that has easily been the best basketball conference in the country the past few years? I can see why academically, and culturally its not a good fit. And I really appreciate the speculation about BIg East instability. But it seems like due to the region it primarily covers, and the potential for a big payday if it gets 12 football schools, it could really prosper in the future. Is this a naive point of view? I know that winning a million consecutive conference titles is fun and all, but I have to wonder if playing in such a mediocre conference (yes, I think the Big 12 has been overrated many years) has helped KU to underachieve come tournament time. Obviously, maintaining the Big 12 is best case scenario. But I'm wondering if I'm alone in when I fancifully imagine playing UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, and Georgetown on a regular basis.

86finalfour 3 years, 11 months ago

Competitively, I think Big East is the best route for KU. It would be an upgrade to their bball program, IMO, and they would have a better chance at winning a football conf title and getting to a BCS bowl game again.

Out west, I see them struggling in almost all sports except bball. I admit it sounds nice having Kansas' name next to Stanford, Cal, UCLA,etc. But I think that will wear off after years of losing.

I also like the passion of basketball in the big east. And I haven't even touched on how much more the big east would prepare KU for the big dance.

Chuck Woodling 3 years, 11 months ago

Bottom line: Kansas desperately needs to align itself with a conference where it can be competitive in football on a consistent basis. No way that'll happen in the Big 12. Or Pac-whatever. Or Big 10. That leaves the Big East. Kansas at least has a chance in the Big East. I'm tired of all this mumbo-jumbo about KU wanting to remain in the Big 12. Let's be pragmatic, cut the crap and get the hell out of the Big 12 now.

trey 3 years, 11 months ago

I agree with "get the hell out of the Big 12 now". But not to the Big East. It seems like a good option, but only based on the current Big East teams staying put. That is highly unlikely when the BIG and ACC come calling on Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, UConn and West Virginia. Take those schools out and does this look appealing...

Cincinnati, Louisville, South Florida, TCU, + KU, K-State, Iowa State, on who knows who might be the 8th school? Yes, we might be competitive, but where is that going?

The Big12 is not going to hold together. It could (and thrive) if we had equal rev sharing like the other to-be Super Conferences, but Texas has shown zero willingness on this.

So maybe we should be trying to secure an early, or the first, bid to the PAC. That would kill the Big12 for sure (yes KU leaving would kill it just like OU leaving), and then let OU, OSU and Texas scramble for the final spots. It would kill the TTech to PAC possibility.

LogicMan 3 years, 11 months ago

The Big East is going to be cherry-picked, in the east, by the ACC, the B1G, and maybe the SEC, and probably very soon. So no stability there for us. When you can't beat 'em, join 'em in picking at the bones of the Big East.

So if OU and OSU hit the road soon, and if we don't immediately get picked up by the B1G or PAC-12, then we should stay in the Big XII. UT might even stay with it, or go independent. Then we go cherry-picking ourselves from the MWC, the Big East, and elsewhere. And definitely go to 12 teams, and maybe 14 or 16.

If a Big XII dissolution vote becomes likely, let schools go without penalty in exchange for no vote so that we retain this above option. And then immediately vote to move the office back to KC.

Randy Bombardier 3 years, 11 months ago

That is what I have always thought about the BigE, that it would be absorbed by Big10, ACC, and SEC with maybe a few teams floating between conferences, i.e. FSU to SEC seems natural.

That being said it makes sense that there is a conference in the heartland from Big10 Country to Mexico, from Tennessee to Colorado. Just too much territory for there not to be a major conference. It is crazy.

OU does not want to be the bad guy. I think KSU should adopt the role of taking Texas to task. They have the most to lose. Since Dodds is a KSU grad and former KSU AD he will take it better. The line is "Give up the network, equal revenue sharing or we dissolve the conference." Once the conference is dissolved, we reform without Texas. Would OU stay? Would TAMU stay? If so, build from there. Unfortunately, it appears to be too late.

The mega-conferences may form but nature abhors a vacuum and eventually there will be a Midwest conference. Megas will not last. PAC all the way to the Mississippi? Insane. It is like the housing bubble. It will burst.

LAJayhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Matt,

I definitely agree with you that the non-public stance that Zenger and KU is taking is by far the best route, and I agree with you on the reasons why: KU is what it is, and a conference will take them or not. Sullying their name just makes their case weaker. They need to open up lines of communication, but not push it too hard. There's a fine line to walk there.

That being said, what is your feeling on how KU has dealt with the Big 10? Do you believe they've at least been in contact? There certainly is a difference between begging and simply suggesting what KU has to offer. Do you believe Zenger and Gray-Little have done that? Have you heard from any sources on that? Big 12 adding teams in the best case scenario, IMO, but Big 10 would be the 2nd best for a variety of reasons (academics, competitiveness in both major sports, location, etc). I would then say Pac 16 and then Big East as the last option.

Just curious what you are hearing and/or feeling about contact with the Big 10, even if it would be a long shot. I've read nothing on it from anywhere.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 11 months ago

1) stop calling the big east a power conference 2) you know that movie is fiction...right?!? 3) even if we stay in the big12, we still do not have equal revenue sharing. There is no point in being a "have not" in a conference. 4) "LETC" is so far out of his league it's ridiculous!

LogicMan 3 years, 11 months ago

3) Vote it out. If someone (UT) doesn't like it, they can leave.

Randy Bombardier 3 years, 11 months ago

Good article, Matt. You are the pride of the LJW. KU must remain dignified. The AD deserves no grief no matter what happens. He cannot make it happen. Besides we know just because it is not being reported does not mean that discussions aren't taking place. Maybe we just have more class and don't leak these discussions like some institutions.

Despite knowing this, I still am anxious. Have little confidence in Big12. Can it survive without OU? If OU goes, there goes OSU. Without those two and without Texas? So, it seems like a waiting game again. Just hope it is over and done this year.

Steve Gantz 3 years, 11 months ago

According to the Chicago Tribune on Sunday, their commish sounds very content with 12 teams. Of course, I guess he could just be holding his cards close too.

rob4lb 3 years, 11 months ago

Matt- I agree with your premise that KU appears to be playing the realignment game well given the relatively weak hand it has with poor football teams and being in an area of low population.

At this point, is the Big 12 even worth saving? Gary Pinkel framed it perfectly when he said that the Big 12 has issues that other conferences do not have. It seems like those issues will always be there as long as the Big 12 is there.

Can you comment about the importance of academic and cultural fit? The comments about KU football being more competitive in the Big East would seem to be of secondary importance. It would seem that Big 10 and Pac 12 are better fits.

The Big East is nice dooms day option, but other the last few days, I hear that Pitt, WVa, Syracuse and Rutgers are potential candidates for other conferences. These are the strongest members of the conference. If any of them leave, a weak conference becomes weaker.

Thanks again Matt for keeping us updated.

rob4lb 3 years, 11 months ago

The MOB (Marching Owl Band) is great and one reason to attend a Rice football game.

dynamitehawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Seriously, Matt - this is award winning coverage. You've been in live-blog mode for weeks, and basically predicted this to happen. In fact, this would be Hollywod $hit if you can get Ashley Judd to make out in Times Square before our game with Kentucky and, post it to you tube with a Nelly Country Grammar backdrop... Well done.

Matt Tait 3 years, 11 months ago

Ashley Judd, NYC and Nelly? Not a bad combo. I'm in!

Thanks a bunch, dynamite!

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 11 months ago

Gawd, the more I think about this the more upset I get. This whole article is total spin coming from kuad and out of Taits finger tips. Wanting you guys to believe that an accepted offer into the big east would be a good thing because it's the right thing to do. Costing us millions of dollars because it's the right thing to do. Essentially doing nothing because it's the right thing to do. When what should be going on is the exact opposite.

First! We should of jumped last summer with CO, but hind site. More recently we should of been one of the first schools to come out and say we would consider any and all options, and yes have Bill Self say it. Say we would love an invite to the PAC. Drum up excitement from the PAC schools and their fans about Kansas basketball and administrators get the kc market. That way when UT says we want TT to come their is some "what about Kansas" questions.

The problem with this administration is they have no savvy. They dont realize Kansas is a national brand. They don't realize that as much as it is all about football it's also about name brand and ours is better than almost anyone's in the Big 12. "LETC" needs to realize he is a bigger dog now and needs to start acting like such.

Hank Cross 3 years, 11 months ago

There was no Pac offer on the table last Summer. Scott's plane flew into some type of Bermuda triangle North of Austin and never made it to KCI. So it's not as though KU could've left had it so wanted. Same goes for this year.

Don't me wrong, I obviously want KU to go to the P12. But, that's not going to happen until UT lands somewhere else for sure. The likely moves are:

  1. A&M goes to SEC 2.OU and OSU go to P12
  2. This is where it get's tricky. Suppose the SEC holds at 13 (at least for a few years) or takes MU (which doesn't affect the ACC or BE). A stalemate then ensues as the P12 wants to leave the door open for UT and the B10 wants to save room for ND and maybe even UT. The ACC sits quitely. UT decides to go indie for the time being or Worst Case Scenario - decides to keep the B12 alive as a puppet state by adding SMU, Houston, etc.

At that point, KU's only move may be to the BE.

rob4lb 3 years, 11 months ago

I think if the Oklahoma schools leave, the conference is dead. Rumor has it that A&M could get accepted into the SEC this week. They could go with 13 teams for a year or two, but I would think they would want to address quickly instead of having two years of constant speculation.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 11 months ago

I guess "Bob Sugar" would of seen this coming (like everyone else) and called larry scott and negotiated us instead of utah. wouldn't of been the hardest sell.

the wait and see approach won't really work because most of the conferences tv contracts will only be renegotaited once there are 14 or 16 teams.

KGphoto 3 years, 11 months ago

Get off the PAC. It's not in our best interest. It's in yours.

Zenger has his poker face on, as well he should. The Big 10 has been great at poker so far, and that's who the Zeng master wants to beat.

No when to hold 'em. The offer will come.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 11 months ago

I guess "Bob Sugar" would of seen this coming (like everyone else) and called larry scott and negotiated us instead of utah. wouldn't of been the hardest sell.

the wait and see approach won't really work because most of the conferences tv contracts will only be renegotaited once there are 14 or 16 teams.

glb1110 3 years, 11 months ago

Matt, Thank you!!! I have been following you hourly now for days. I am sooo sick of people putting sports into this. (example- we should go to the BE because of basketball, Pac12 for comfort.) I know this is all about the MONEY. Which conference takes us because of what we bring financially on top of our AAU credit and great basketball team. What conference brings the better financial stability to our School and State? What do we offer besides our ties with the Kansas City network? I am in favor of the big ten for the fact MU will go there and I will actually be able to watch the game. Pac16 means we watch basketball games at 10 pm and 12pm et. instead of 6pm and 8pm..

86finalfour 3 years, 11 months ago

yes, of course, big 10 would be our first choice. but that's a pipe dream. the numbers just don't add up (stadium and football $$).

jgkojak 3 years, 11 months ago

1 scenerio, outlandish, I heard some people talking about:

Texas and Notre Dame want to be partners - they enhance one-another's status.

Notre Dame has no interest in joining the B12. They would join the Big 10 if they ever joined a conference.

So Texas jettisons Oklahoma and offer a 2-fer to the Big 10: Texas and Notre Dame, but as a travel partner, you have to bring Kansas, oh, AND Texas and ND get to keep their own network deals.

That would make the B10 THE premier football (Texas and Nebraska + Ohio St, etc) and basketball (Kansas + current B10 schools) conference and have them in every market in Texas/KS/NE/half of MO/etc

Daniel Kennamore 3 years, 11 months ago

The Big Ten, the PAC, and the SEC don't NEED Texas. They are going to have to drop their unequal revenue sharing to join any of those conferences.

jcjayhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Don't assume that if we end up in the Pac12 or any other conference that we are doomed to lose in all sports except bball. If after the shuffle kstate is relegated to a weaker conference then they can no longer recruit at our level. Without having to split all the in-state kids KU is now that much stronger. That might not put us on par with Florida or Texas but it gives us an edge that Nebraska and Missouri enjoy in not having to recruit against anyone in state. In over a year of discussion on this topic I haven't seen anyone talk about that. Kstate's loss as a football power is our gain and the same goes for volleyball, womens bball, etc.

Ben Kane 3 years, 11 months ago

that's a good point. i'd be interested to know how many kids we currently have on our football roster from kansas vs how many from texas.

rob4lb 3 years, 11 months ago

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/teams/kka/roster

Here is the roster. I did a quick count and I got 29 from KS and 40 from TX.

Bottom line: There are 12 million people who like in either the Dallas or Houston Metro Areas and less than 3 million people in the entire state of Kansas. In general the football is more competitive in Texas high schools which means more 4 and 5 star players per capita.

Ben Kane 3 years, 11 months ago

thank you for answering my question. it confirms to me that being able to recruit kansas without ksu is meaningless vs being able to recruit tx.

Ben Kliewer 3 years, 11 months ago

That's exactly the problem I heard from most Nebraska fans when "Texas came in and decided they were the big man in the conference." But, in my opinion, no. UT is not attractive to any conference other than some moneybags. They're going to bring in a huge Texas TV market, but the major conferences are well-off enough to be able to have them over a barrel regarding unequal revenue sharing. The Longhorn Network will most likely be absorbed into the existing network of whatever conference they join. It'll still be called TLN, but it'll be much more limited and they'll have to give up some of the revenue to the conference. It'll be that, or go independent. Conferences should see UT's ruining of their second conference in less than 20 years as a red flag and put them on a short leash once they acquire them. Any conference that includes UT is going to get an insane Texas TV market, which is why they're attractive. We've seen how Texans will be Longhorn crazy even if their team sucks. That's dolla dolla billz. But nobody is going to sweeten the pot like Beebe did for Texas last year. So they'll get nailed on it. If the Oklahomans leave, the conference dies and UT has to give up some of their candy. It's in UT's best interest to convince OU and consequently OSU to stay, but I don't know if they'll have any luck on that, since UT is probably the reason OU wants to leave anyway. I'm feeling fairly confident, anymore, that the B12 is going to dissolve, and that somehow KU is going to land on their feet. With that in mind, I feel comfortable in saying the following. It appears that, over the course of his tenure as the B12 Commish, Beebe has worked himself right out of a job. Good riddance.

riverdrifter 3 years, 11 months ago

"They're going to bring in a huge Texas TV market, but the major conferences are well-off enough to be able to have them over a barrel regarding unequal revenue sharing."

Very good point and good post. We shall see...

Ben Kliewer 3 years, 11 months ago

Pure speculation: I hear tell of the Big East dropping their basketball-only schools and going with a conference of all football/basketball schools only. There's also been that whole speculation of the BEast and ACC combining (minus a couple ACC members to the SEC) to form their own power conference, with East/West splits to make a football/basketball behemoth that would be able to have lucrative TV contracts that would rival the other power conferences that the PAC and SEC would eventually form.

My theory? It is inevitable that there will be at least three or four 16-team Power Conferences, split into geographical divisions. A few years down the road, because of their lucrative TV contracts, they would be able to afford absorbing smaller TV market schools, like old CUSA and WAC schools etc. Eventually, these conferences would become four 30-team Super Conferences with insane TV deals, split into five six-team subdivisions, based on geography and football power. Then, in an even bigger money-grub, they will combine into two 60-team Mega Conferences of an East Conference and West Conference, each with five 12-team subdivisions, each with their own TV sub-contract, and each subdivision split into two six-team sub-subdivisions. Then, down the road, the two Mega Conferences will combine into one 120-school Ultimate Conference and they will divide teams into sub-divisions of eight to 12 teams, such as the PAC-12 division, the Big East division and the Atlantic Coast division. Then, there will be a money grub for TV revenues, and there will be a "Divisional Realignment" switching teams to different divisions... You get my point...

Ryan Mullen 3 years, 11 months ago

Awesome that may be the best yet. Thanks for that!

LaJHawk666 3 years, 11 months ago

I laughed my a$$ off reading this!!! Best laugh and read of my day. Thanks!!!

jgkojak 3 years, 11 months ago

On the commute home you think of things... mulling over the Conf. re-alignment...

The leading indicator for Kansas fans to watch for is for Texas to become an Independent.

Here is how it sets up:

Texas declares itself either Indy or "still in the B12" (yeah, right)

OU and OSU to the Pac 16. The Pac needs 2 more members, so they approach KS and MO (fall back position KS and KSU).

MO makes 2 phone calls: To SEC: We've been offered Pac membership, and we're not switching conferences again, so if you want us, its now or never. Sh*t or get off the pot. To B10: My dear sirs, I humbly represent myself as a potential member of your fine organization. As I have been offered membership in 2 other organizations of lesser importance, I would of course love to have the honor of being a part of your august body.

KS makes 1 phone call: To B10: We have been offered membership in the Pac. We believe athletically and academically we are the best fit with the history and traditions of the B10. Please let us know if this is possible.

Note that the B10 is a little boxed in. I don't believe they are going to raid the ACC. There are 5 potential B10 members out there (all AAU members): Rutgers: gets them on NYC metro area cable systems. Rutgers joins the B10 in a heartbeat.
Pitt: gets them a HUGE media market, and adds a nice rivalry with Penn St (who is not happy about this turn of events). Notre Dame: Its decision time. My bet: they, Texas and BYU all agree to play each other, they like playing basketball against the other Catholic universities and don't like sharing revenue. So they say NO - more on this later. Missouri Kansas

No one else. Syracuse lost AAU membership. UConn is not a member. WVU is not a member.

Here is where it gets interesting: Lets pretend that Notre Dame says NO, and STOP CALLING, the B10 is free to add KS and MO.

If Notre Dame says YES or HOLD THAT THOUGHT 3 YEARS, but we'll have our non-football programs play in the B10, then the B10 decides:

Do I want Kansas or Missouri.

Who gets you the largest media market?

Kansas.

Who makes Illinois happy? Kansas (no recruiting against MO in St Louis area).

Who makes Nebraska happy? Kansas (better travel partner)

Who makes the football powers happy, who need another patsy? Kansas

Who elevates basketball and gets them on TV more often? Kansas

That is how Kansas ends up in the B10. But the Pac has to force the situation.

If Texas/Ttch go w/OU to the Pac, we may end up in the B10 some day, but we're probably spending a few years in the Big East first.

KGphoto 3 years, 11 months ago

Pitt will be the FIRST school offered by BX.

KGphoto 3 years, 11 months ago

You are reading my mind.

Right down to the schools the Big 10 will invite, and eventually get.

Rutgers Pitt KU MU

All for the same reasons. It's easily the most perfect scenario for all parties. I mean, who else even looks attractive to the Big 10?

That's assuming Notre Dame decides to stay independent, and who knows, they did yank a guy named Crist as their starting QB. If I were Notre Dame and I knocked Crist down my depth chart, I would be considering serious repercussions. They may be turning a corner.

texashawk10 3 years, 11 months ago

I do believe the Big 10 would look to the ACC to add schools if the SEC also adds 2-3 ACC schools which is likely if they go to 16. The ACC becomes a dying conference with its members looking to the Big East who will gladly accept ACC castoffs in order to increase the value of the TV contract that expires next year. The two schools the Big 10 eyes are Maryland and Virginia. Maryland gives the Big 10 conference footholds in DC and Baltimore which are both larger media markets than KC. Virginia instantly becomes the top academic school in the ACC as UVA is one the elite academic institutions in the country.

riverdrifter 3 years, 11 months ago

I love this post but the following isn't true, is it???

"Do I want Kansas or Missouri.

Who gets you the largest media market?

Kansas."

Ryan Mullen 3 years, 11 months ago

St. Louis is a pro town. Kansas City may be one of the biggest pro/college towns around.

Kevin Randell 3 years, 11 months ago

Ok...since everyone is throwing their hat into the ring on possibilities, I will do the same. I see all of this heading to a four regional conference format of at total of 64 - 80 playoff divisional teams.

Pac-16/20 will be divided up between an East and West divisions. If it's 16 then we will have rotating formats like the old Big XII. If it's 20, then we will see a format like out Big XII -2 format this year. Ending with a Championship game rotating between LA and Dallas.

SEC will most likely absorb some of the ACC and Big XII teams that the Pac doesn't want.

Big 10 will absorb some of the Big East and Big XII teams that the Pac or SEC doesn't want.

Now....as for where and who the 4th super conference will be? I don't know....heck, how about Tex@$$ will make up their own conference taking in the Mountain West and a few C-USA teams to make sure they are in the playoffs each year?....lol.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THIS IS JUST A THOUGHT AND NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. The Jayhawk Nation will be just fine.

*Oh...one last rumor to throw out there....lol.**** Bill Self is a football fan and will leave KU to take over the job at OSU because well......they joined a good conference.

AGAIN...I AM KIDDING!!!!

Hank Cross 3 years, 11 months ago

Matt, Thanks for posting that about the BE expansion. 12 FB teams would go a long way to stabilizing that conference. Also, what makes the ACC so secure? The SEC has reputedly been coveting VaTech and UNC. If the SEC were to take those 2 (plus Duke of course), what would be left of the ACC? A FSU program that is only now starting to regain some of its prominence. Miami is going to be hit with penalities that will set them back a decade. MD could head to the B10, but there's nothing special about Wake or NC State w/o UNC or Duke.

Hank Cross 3 years, 11 months ago

Dennis Dodd of CBS tweeting that the frontrunners for 14th team to the SEC are MU and WVA. http://twitter.com/#!/dennisdoddcbs/s...

I think MU to the SEC might kill KU's chance at the P12 b/c there won't be a regional partner for KU to pair with. Doubt it has any effect on BE offer. It might however, be an advantage to a B10 bid as KU might be added as the 16th team because it doesn't threaten anyone in FB, but raises BB profile.

Krohnutz 3 years, 11 months ago

Mizzou to the SEC would also mean one less school to compete with for that Big 10 spot.

My feeling is the Big 10 will be the last team to move though. To me they just seem like the type of business people to just wait and see, and then when they see something they like they just go buy it.

We'll see though.

Krohnutz 3 years, 11 months ago

I actually don't know how secure the ACC is. I would put it fourth place mainly off of their basketball and academic pedigree.

They have some very solid schools academically, and while we say, "dat don't matter," it does when they are top notch.

They are fourth place right now in a six man race. The Big East has some issues, mainly non-football schools, too many of them. The Big 12... Well, we know their issues.

The way I view it is this; whichever conference gets raided first is done. If the Big 10 raids the Big East, they are done. If the SEC raids the ACC as you described, conversely, they are done.

It is this reason that I really buy into the ACC selling the farm to get UT to come along for the ride. Which, won't that mean the end of the ACC in a decade or two once Texas starts with the 'concessions?' Hmm...

Krohnutz 3 years, 11 months ago

Matt, come on, you gotta give the Nutz a piece of this one. Called it baby!

I really don't understand why people are so down on the Big East or Pac 12. Time frames for games are subject to TV's desire. Both situations would help basketball, and the Big East would REALLY help football considering we would be game ready right away.

Now it appears that the ACC is a player? Sweet. The Big 10 might start moving if others move? Sweet. We have some cards this time, and dumbass reporters (not you bud, but you know they are out there) are finally stopping the, "KU basketball don't matter, it all about de fussball!" It does matter, it is a lot of money in a greedy world. Once the UT's and OU's are in place they are going to be looking at KU.

The one thing I would like to change about the Big East is to somehow remove the non-football schools. I'm sorry, but forty-two basketball teams in a massive tournament is not a conference, it is a ragtag bunch that basically has no home.

Fix that, and I'm 110% behind the move. Actually, I'm behind any move. I just don't want to be in the Big Texass anymore.

Bob Forer 3 years, 11 months ago

While all the speculation makes for an interesting read, panic and/or endless discussion regarding the many permutations of possiblity isn't very productive, imho. We are what we are. A storied basketball program with a mediocre football history. Where we end up will be appropriate and consistent with our pedigree. And i guarantee you, we won't be locked out of the BCS or a major conference, and that's all that really matters.

mikehawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Who needs the actual sports themselves? Who cares about the game of football? Conference realignment is the new sport in town, and judging by the blogs, WE LOVE IT!

Randy Bombardier 3 years, 11 months ago

This from Orangebloods:

Sources say Missouri has received feelers from the Big Ten, SEC, Pac-12 and Big East. Kansas has also received feelers from the Pac-12 and Big East, sources said. Kansas State has also received feelers from the Big East, sources said.

Really bummed that we have not heard (apparently) from Big10. When I think of football tradition I think Big10. It has always been my favorite conference outside of our own. Sure I would love to travel down to Corvallis or Eugene, Seattle, but the best move if we get the chance is with the good ole Big10. I like their style of play, the cool fall evenings, the leaves changing, the beautiful campuses. It is a Heartland conference. They are more like our cousins that the West Coast or the East Coast. They are more like our football family.

jgkojak 3 years, 11 months ago

So think through this one...

SEC wants WVU or MU for Team No. 14.

MO thinks (they've been wrong before - LOL) they're getting the B10 nod, so they turn down SEC (they can join as Team 15 or 16).

So SEC takes WVU.

At this point the Big East has lots a vital football playing school and is no longer an easy road to 12, especially with MO obviously out. This probably save IA State and K State, but points out how unstable the Big East is. So...

The B10 is kinda forced to put something on the table, so they take Rutgers (immediate YES) Pitt (YES) Missouri (YES) Notre Dame?

That's our spot.

Pitthawk34 3 years, 11 months ago

Ed can say what he wants but if he keeps Ku from getting an invite to a major conference just because Kansas State is not up to standards he will have a hard time living in kansas. he had better move to Manhattan and never leave. Ed and the board of regents can prefer all they want but if Ku has a chance to land somewhere else besides being with kSU how in the hell can they hold them back. I would be very interested in the legalities of all of this. Would Kansas Athletics be able to file an lawsuit since they do not receive any money from the State? And if there is nothing in writing bonding the 2 schools...Well if their is an attorney out there please clear this up once and for all.

rob4lb 3 years, 11 months ago

Articles like this make me nervous I worry that staying with K-State is an criteria in deciding on a conference. I much prefer to stay in the same conference as Missouri than with K-State.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15537914/kansas-regents-prefer-ku-kstate-stay-in-same-conference

trey 3 years, 11 months ago

Every time I hear someone associated with KU (BGL, Z, Regents) say that KU and K-State want to stay together, it gives me a very sick feeling... that we're being conditioned for the "path of least resistance" scenario...

KU, K-State and Iowa State head to a new West division of the Big East.

We'll be sold on this as the right option because 1. Time Zone more convenient for our fans. 2. Better travel for our athletes. 3. Great hoops conference. 4 We get to stay connected with our great partner, K-State.

This is a big-time losing scario for KU. We trade conference teams like TX, OU, OSU, Missouri, for Cincinnati, Louisville, TCU, South Florida. Wow is that exciting.

And don't believe that Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, West Virginia are going to be equal trade-off for what we lose. They aint going to be there, and it won't take very long.

Then we'll be scrambling again, and more likely screwed.

It will take ZERO leadership to get us into the Big East. The Big East is desparate, and there is a reason why.

Boy I hope that I'm wrong, but from what I've seen so far from BGL and Zenger, I'm worried. I'm at a total loss regarding any impact BGL has had at KU. And so far, Zenger is a lot of rah-rah, clithe's, and doing it "the Kansas way". That gets old. I hope this combo can play with the big boys. We will find out very soon.

142466 3 years, 11 months ago

Nice. I hope the Regents et al are circulating this nonsense for public consumption only. I trust that they were wide awake the day their Western Civ class discussed "The Prince".

For a host of reasons already discussed:

KU---go to the PAC 16 (18) ASAP and bring along 3 (or, preferably, 5) B12 schools with you. It's called a merger. I recall that we discussed this novel idea in my KU law school classes. That was a long time ago, but the idea is still alive and thriving all across the land.

And the newly created company (OK, go ahead and call it an amateur athletic league if it makes some of us feel better ) will have two relatively autonomous divisions. Just like some corporate conglomerates, the real names of which most of us have never heard.

The ring masters of this current circus, the university presidents, are mostly egg head amateurs trying to make CRUCIAL business decisions on the fly. It's not pretty. But unnavoidable, because there's no czar or organization to reign them in.

Any one remember old lawyer Jed McNish presiding over his KU business law classes in Summerfield Hall 45 years ago? Three or four times every semester he'd use half his 50 min. allotted time stumping for exactly what is now finally unfolding: 4 equal (i.e., equal opportunity, anyway) Super Conferences.

KU and MU to the B10 (16) is a fairy tale. B10 isn't ready yet. They snoozed while the PAC took the lead. Don't wait on the B10. Too risky. There likely won't be enough space at trough for us little wheat waving piggies.

The BE is our distant, last, resort. It's the trough that stinks the most. That's the reason it has the most open spots. KU honchos, please waste the time of only your junior officers on this one.

Pitthawk34 3 years, 11 months ago

I would give BGL my faith in that she has to be smart enough to know that if there is a PAC offer you take it. She should be smart emough to know what it would mean being in a conference with academic peers such as Stanford an Cal. She has to be smart enough to know that PAC is way more stable. That being said I doubt we get an offer from the PAC.

rob4lb 3 years, 11 months ago

Maybe I'm given her too much credit, but I would like to think that BGL's statement about not being tied to K-State last week foreshadows something that is already in the works. This article is posted on Yahoo and ESPN so it just adds to the perception the two schools are tied. I am sure any conference we are in discussions with know that is not the case.

I couldn't agree more about the Big East and how it is not a good option. The stronger schools might not be in the conference once realignment shakes out. I will be extremely upset if we opt for the Big East with K-State over the Pac 12.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 11 months ago

Yep. Espn boards are going crazy. Saying there is all kinds of activity going on around aTm. Reserving rooms and getting set up for press conferences.

rob4lb 3 years, 11 months ago

Matt- Do you have in changes in your handicapping from the other.

My "list" is merely a best guess based on what I'm hearing from a number of different places.

Realistic: 1. Big East - 40% 2. Big Ten - 25% 3. Pac-16 - 20% 4. Big 12 - 10% 5. Other - 5%

Matt Tait 3 years, 11 months ago

Good question... Here's where I stand:

  1. Big East 40%
  2. Pac-12 40%
  3. Big Ten 15%
  4. Big 12 4%
  5. Other 1%

Here's where I was the other day:

Realistic: 1. Big East - 40% 2. Big Ten - 25% 3. Pac-16 - 20% 4. Big 12 - 10% 5. Other - 5%

Wishful Thinking: 1. Big 12 2. Big Ten 3. Big East 4. Pac-16 5. Other

Again, nothing official there by any means. Just my best interpretation of a messy situation...

Hank Cross 3 years, 11 months ago

Just political cover from the Board of Regents. No need to be concerned unless there is a P12 or B10 offer on the table.

BarkingHawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Where is Lew Perkins when you really need him?

Travis Clementsmith 3 years, 11 months ago

Matt.

If A&M is in, which it appears they are and then Mizzou is offered, how does that affect our status? Do you think Mizzou considers the financial impact to KC if KU and MU split? If we do split, what does that do to the fleeting hopes of the Big XII? Our position with the PAC? Does an ISU, KU, KSU package do as much for the BEAST in getting a big contract?

If MU gets offered and turns the SEC down, what does that say about MU's projections about where realignment is heading and where they think the opportunities might be coming from?

Matt Tait 3 years, 11 months ago

Holy questions, Batman!!!

Here goes...

Once A&M becomes official, I honestly think that's it for the Big 12. I think too much will happen too quickly from there and that will force some Big 12 schools, i.e. OU, Texas, Missouri, to act quickly. Put Kansas in that boat, too, maybe manning the rear oars.

ISU, KSU, KU package will never happen. Doesn't deliver enough of a market. Really only gets KC and only 60-70 percent of it. Mizzou is key for the Big East.

If Mizzou turns down the SEC (a real possibility) then that could be good news for KU because, at that point, MU and KU to the Pac-12 OR Big East together remains possible.

The only reason MU would turn down the SEC is if they're afraid they can't compete. Breaking away from KU is probably not desired, but they'd do it to get into the Big Ten or SEC... In a heartbeat.

Not sure if I hit all your questions there, but I think so... Stay tuned.

Pitthawk34 3 years, 11 months ago

Tomorrow we may just want to start tracking flights in and out of KC for the next 3 days. With Missouri in question this will be a free 4 all. Like trying to herd cats.

BarkingHawk 3 years, 11 months ago

No way Mizzou goes SEC so long as there is ANY hope for the Big Ten. If, and only if Jim Delaney informs MU that (a) the league would be staying at 12 for the foreseeable future (unlikely) or (b) Mizzou was not a candidate should the league expand within the foreseeable future (equally unlikely) would MU even think of a jump to the SEC. And, even that's a stretch. It flies in the face of almost every rationale Mizzou was citing for membership in the Big Ten, both last year and for a few of the rumor-filled years preceding it. The SEC does not fit the brand MU imagines itself to have in the least.

That said, MU could conjure the same rationale for inclusion in the PAC 12 or ACC. The BE seems to be the final fallback for everyone and membership there could prove tenuous (even for us) if one of the other conferences eventually came coming.

The situation is pathetic. Neighbors and natural rivals forever just up and leaving. And for what? More money yet? As in the current political scene, where are the cool heads? The statesmen who can bring coolness and sanity into a feverish situation before generations of culture and connection are simply thrown asunder? There are no such people inhabiting leadership positions of many of these 'schools' (as opposed to the 'franchises' they actually fancy themselves to be.)

Supporters of every school are tossed to the wind. Any resemblance of any of this to educational pursuits is purely coincidental and that only in the context of Wall Street mentality training.

To the clowns who are bringing this mess to fruition, a pox on all their houses.

Josh Galler 3 years, 11 months ago

I just waiting until this is all over with

Hank Cross 3 years, 11 months ago

Here's an interview with WV AD Oliver Luck who was already subtley lobbying to get WV into SEC. http://blustreaks.com/2011/09/05/oliver-luck-doesnt-take-a-raincheck/

Also saw piece by Barry Trammel of OK today of which the upshot is that the P12 will leverage KU/MU to force UT's hand. Since he's one of the first to say that OU was going forward to the P12, so I'll give it some cred.

Matt Tait 3 years, 11 months ago

Good stuff.

Been thinking all along that KU/MU could be used as leverage... If that's the case, it will be real interesting to see if Texas bites or if the burnt orange ego gets in the way and tries to call the bluff.

Man oh man... This is getting wild. Setting the alarm for early tomorrow!

trey 3 years, 11 months ago

BGL and Z should not be "waiting" for a PAC or BIG offer. They should be aggressively and proactively selling these two conferences on what we bring to the table NOW.

Sure I'm biased, but believe we really would bring a lot to either conference. But we have to SELL it. I think this be a good Big12 soldier, wait patiently to see what others do, we'll be fine wherever we land attitude, is pitiful. This will get us to the "leftovers", which will be a weak, short-term, Big East West division invite.

Seriously, are Texas Tech, Okie State, Mizzou, Rutgers, more valuable than we are? That's who we're going to lose out to in the BIG and PAC if we don't get our ass in gear.

I know that KC and our State aren't the biggest markets in the US, but they are not insignificant either. And we should be selling like crazy...

We are the freakin cradle of college basketball, not just a Top 5 program historically (which obvsiously we are), but the cradle. We just had a donor spend $4M just so we can house the original Naismith rules in our fieldhouse, which is voted as the best bball venue in the country. Our brand, the Jayhawk, is one of the most recognizable in college sports. We have 2nd most bball victories of all time. We recently won the NCAA championship AND freakin Orange Bowl, in the same year. Yes our football program is down (no denying), but we have had success in past and can in the future. And our record against MU (that great football program that all the conferences are supposedly after) is 50/50. Speaking of Missouri, our rivalry with them is one of the oldest and most heated in the country. Oh, and we're one of 60 AAU institutions. Oh, and KU MED is about to become and National Cancer Institute, and as such attract huge grants for cancer research.

Why in the hell are we waiting around, waiting for TX and OU to determine our fate by taking their "little sister" programs with them to their conference of choice.

Go sell the PAC on making us their next invite (which will kill the B12 and likely send OU, OSU and Texas come their way too). Then check in with the BIG one last time to make sure they really have no interest. And if not, go PAC and let everyone else scramble.

Make our own fate.

And contrary to what most are saying, that this is ALL about football and money, the more I think about the more I believe that is not true. The money is going to be big, and about the same, regardless of whether we have six 12 team conferences, or four 16 team conferences. On a per-team basis, it's not going to be that different. This is now about ego... Who's in the "best conference", and who has the "best conference". In that game, Basketball and image and brand matter. So we need to get selling NOW.

mdfraz 3 years, 11 months ago

Email this to SZ and BGL right now please, and sign it, loyal (and nervous) Jayhawk fans everywhere. We DO have a lot to offer, and I only pray that Zenger is as zealous an advocate for that position as your comments are.

The Big East would be an unmitigated disaster for KU, and I would probably seriously throw up if that's where we end up.

jgkojak 3 years, 11 months ago

Case in point about the Big East... they are losing 1 member. Its likely without WVU to keep them there (as a rival), Pitt will be waiting for that B10 invite, which of course means Rutgers will be going as well.

So in one fell swoop the Big East has lost 3 football schools -- and we are joining who? Oh... Syracuse, UConn, Cincinatti, Louisville, TCU and South Florida. That's not a major conference... that's C-USA (not one AAU school). (Iowa State folks are dancing right about now- they just got a Big East invite).

So where does this leave us?

The Pac leverages KU/MU to put pressure on Texas to put up or shut up. I'm guessing Texas bends. The Pac would love to take Texas and Kansas and I'm beginning to think TTech is destined for the Mtn West (where they belong with K-State).

Matt Tait 3 years, 11 months ago

It's late, but I'm starting to feel the same way... We'll see if it's still that way in the morning.

KU, UT, OU and OSU to the Pac-12 would put KSU in a world of hurt and also leave Mizzou scrambling a little, though I'm sure they'd find somewhere to land.

That's how fickle this whole thing can be. Without these schools in constant contact — and I'm talking full disclosure here — several schools could easily get left out in the cold just by not knowing for sure what anybody else is going to do.

Nuts, I tell ya.

Hank Cross 3 years, 11 months ago

  1. TT is going with UT to preserve peace in the state and UT needs a partner for a local network like the rest of the P12.

  2. The B10 already looked at Pitt (Not wanted by Penn State) and Rutgers (Not strong enough fan support, mediocre sports) last year and passed. All B10 moves must be viewed in terms of its ultimate goal of landing ND. One theory is that the B10 should force ND's hand by in effect destroying the conference where ND parks the rest of its sports. The better thinking is that such a power play might send ND to the ACC of all places. The B10 doesn't need to make a move now and I doubt it will.

texashawk10 3 years, 11 months ago

Since expansion is basically about money and academics for the Big 10, Notre Dame is the obvious catalyst for their expansion to 16 teams. Should WVU be the 14th team to the SEC, this will trigger the demise of the Big East. With the loss of their top football program over the last decade, the Big East becomes just as vulnerable as the Big 12 is now. The SEC will also play a role in this as well when they go to 16 teams by adding a couple of ACC teams. To replace the two teams lost to the SEC, the ACC goes hunting the Big East for a couple of schools leaving the Big East with 7 schools. In order to force Notre Dame's hand, the Big 10 extends invites to Pitt, Maryland, and Virginia. This leaves the Big East at 6 (losing quite a few elite basketball schools) and the ACC at 10 schools. Those remaining schools merge into a new conference and Notre Dame is forced to move to the Big 10 or risk getting left out of a 16 team conference.

Steve Hillyer 3 years, 11 months ago

If it's the Big East I'll be in the throes of a major depressive episode

Joseph Kuebel 3 years, 11 months ago

Rob as much as I wish we had a chance at the B1G, I don't see where u have seen this as a rumor.

Big East: 60% PAC 16: 25% Big 12: 10% B1G: 5%

I don't agree. I don't think there's any possibility we go anywhere "less than" the Big East, meaning MWC, OR MVC. But I don't see and wonder where you have heard that the B1G is even being talked about much less a 25% chance we end up there. This appears a longer long shot than the ACC at this time, especially given that the B1G has given no indication of adding anyone at all. Also factoring in that the B1G didn't take MU who is a similar package to what we have to offer (we would add better basketball and name brand). MU wasn't added despise their markets STL and half of KC. It seems B1G is a pipe dream at this point... I wish it wasn't but haven't seen any indication of this being possible...

Sure we have a better name than Indiana, but that only goes so far. They seemingly want homerun adds only. The B1G is the most stringent conference when it comes down to adding schools but, by them adding a non AAU school shows this about $. Mizzou with STL wasn't added which seems it would be a $ decision, but apparently not. And Nebraska was added due to the revenue they bring in through a national brand and what they bring through TV contracts and primetime/ bowl/ BCS possibilities...It really does show what this whole expansion business is all about.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 11 months ago

Remember there is one (new) president in the PAC that is familiar with the university of espn at Austin and he just said "we'll see what Texas does with their network. Texas likes to do things Texas' way"

Final prediction. OU Osu ku and MU to the PAC.

SeattleTom 3 years, 11 months ago

FYI, Kansas is a pretty popular option for a lot of people out West. Culturally the people who have been to Lawrence think that Lawrence and Austin are the best fits for the Pac-12 of the options that are out there. But most people are wary of Texas.

Regarding the time & travel, it would most likely to be split west-east so you'd be with Colorado, Utah, the Arizonas, Missouri and Oklahoma schools (we'd really like the Texas schools and you guys but Oklahoma is coming if anybody is). In football you'd play those 7 plus 1 west coast road trip and 1 west coast team coming in.

In BB, you'd probably play 1/2 of the west coast teams - most Saturday games are at 1 or 3 though. Hope if anything happens, we get you guys.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 11 months ago

Sorry Tom, most of us won't know how to react to your kind words. We are used to trolls from the other big 12 schools filling up our boards with useless rants about how we think we are so elite because we have a campus with indoor plumbing. It will/would be so nice to interact with fans from other that know how to form complete sentences;)

Laurence Cooley 3 years, 11 months ago

i dont like ahperse, but i like his want for ku to go to the pac 12. i say if they add ou/osu/ku/mu then we should still keep the north and south alignment so the zona schools dont complain about losing their trips to so cal every year. add ku and mu to the north and ou and osu to the south. keeps the current members happy and gets us off this sinking ship of a conference.

SeattleTom 3 years, 11 months ago

I don't know if we fit with Oklahoma and Texas, we enjoy football but don't base our entire lives and self worth on it. Although I'm sure they'll tell us how much better they are than us after they kick our a**.

buckleyhawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Everybody keeps talking about everyone bailing out on long-standing traditions...and yes, at face value, that's what it looks like. But the reality is the big boys (meaning the big football schools) are all getting their feelings hurt/feeling insignificant/coming down with a severe case of Napoleon. It really sucks that everybody below that level (meaning everyone in the B12 not named OU/UT/A&M/NU) is getting dragged through it.

That said...this ship is sinking, or perhaps sunk. We now have to pray that the collegiate brethren to the west realize how great a place Lawrence is, how great a tradition KU basketball is, how much promise the rest of the AD has, and how huge the Jayhawk brand is (tell me people seeing KU v UCLA at Pauley don't realize this). Big East will fall/morph sooner than later; at some point, there will be 3 conferences left seen as stable.

Lastly, I don't care if Beebe "rescued" the B12, or if he was put in a bad spot to begin with; the failure has to start with somewhere, even if it's with his decision to take the job in the first place.

bookemdano 3 years, 11 months ago

Someone on here earlier said this is like a soap opera for men--hit the nail on the head!

The latest now from Chip Brown is that A&M to SEC is not a done deal unless all of the remaining Big XII universities sign an agreement not to sue the SEC!

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1261679

Got to sleep now... hopefully nothing big happens in the next six hours!

Hank Cross 3 years, 11 months ago

Doubt anything that Chip Brown writes. His sole function is to spread whatever rumor Dodds tells him to do. If it's true, however, why did Beebe agree that the B12 would not the SEC? And why on Earth would ISU agree not to sue the SEC if a suit could stop ISU from being sent to C-USA? If true, why would the SEC put that as a condition? Was it to give a face-saving way to put the brakes on all of this?

bookemdano 3 years, 11 months ago

Word on the street (Twitter) says it's actually Baylor (which if you really think about it is the one team in the Big XII holding the least number of cards). Supposedly they are about to file suit against SEC + Slive himself for "tortious interference".

Seems to me Baylor, ISU and KSU could team up on this to get some kind of leverage... I dunno.

But seriously this just gets weirder by the minute.

LogicMan 3 years, 11 months ago

That kind of talk isn't helpful. Things are bad enough as it is.

Krohnutz 3 years, 11 months ago

Iowa State seems like the type of school to just accept the fate of the Big 12 and be planning some kind of move.

But really, who here, on this forum, is shocked that Baylor would whine and complain and be ready to bring up litigation because they are getting left out and might have to proactively go get something done without UT?

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 11 months ago

Purple headed step-child will most likely be separated from us..

Big XII - Together - 1% Big East - Together - 27% Big Ten - Separate - 12% (KSU-Big East) Pac 12 - Separate - 45% (KSU-Big East) ACC - Separate - 10% (KSU-Big East) SEC Separate - 5% (KSU-Big East)

I've heard rumors Missouri might be #14 in the SEC,

Daniel Kennamore 3 years, 11 months ago

So the Big East...who many view as their first choice for KU...is already being poached? Gee...who could've seen that coming?

LogicMan 3 years, 11 months ago

Yes, WVa is already effectively gone to the SEC if TAMU goes there too. Why should we join a dying conference? Been there, done that.

Clarence Haynes 3 years, 11 months ago

The operative word by the Regents is "prefer"!

Daniel Kennamore 3 years, 11 months ago

Exactly. I'd prefer a million dollars appear in my bank account. Doesn't mean I think it is even close to the most likely thing to happen.

justinryman 3 years, 11 months ago

A&M GONE!!! as of 8:30 am cst Wednesday per ESPN's Joe Schad. SEC voted to invite them.

And another ones gone, another ones gone, another one bites the dust. Hey Hey!!

NH_JHawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Just heard an interview on xm91 college sports radio with Bill King. Had a Texas insider guy on (cant rember the name...Bobby something) who said if TAMU goes to the SEC then Texas and TTU are PAC 12 bound along with OU and OSU. That would all but assure KU is headed to the BE.

BrinkDaddy 3 years, 11 months ago

Matt-

Two questions for you….

1) What are ramifications on automatic BCS bids in the event of realignment? More specifically, if OU and OSU leave for Pac 12 and Big 12 picks up three new teams will it keep it’s automatic BCS bid? If so, isn’t this ideal for KU in that we got rid of 3 strong football schools in exchange for (presumably) weaker schools?

2) Why is no one mentioning KU to SEC? Mizzou obviously brings both St Louis and KC TV markets but doesn’t a much stronger hoops program carry enough weight to at least be considered in the discussion?

Thanks.

peter56321 3 years, 11 months ago

Because slavery was never legal in Kansas.

In all seriousness, the cultures just don't mix. We're not the South and never have been. Unlike Mizzery, Kansas fans aren't clamoring for inclusion in the SEC. It would be better than nothing but most fans want either Big 10 or Pac-Whatever as its first choice with the other as the second choice. The Big East appears to be the fallback option (for fans).

justinryman 3 years, 11 months ago

and here sir is your Amen.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cornfeeder 3 years, 11 months ago

I appreciate the reasons of those who aren't thrilled about the Big East. Valid points. But its' not like other conferences are clubs, and you can just join up whenever you feel like it. Sure, i would rather KU be a B10 or Pac12 team. But in case you haven't noticed, nobody in those conferences is extending invitations (not yet).

If, as rumored, the PAC12 takes the TX and OK teams, that makes 16 and they'll stop there, almost certainly.

That leaves the B10. They'll be looking for four more. Perhaps.

If so, ND, Rutgers, Pitt, and ?? Perhaps KU is next best choice. I sure hope, because it's either that, or KU is about to become a mid major.

BCSsux 3 years, 10 months ago

Hate 2 say, but anyone not in Kansas, NC, or currently in the big (L)east cares at all about Basketball. W/ WVU going as the 14th 2 the SEC; Kansas is likely screwed as the BE is going to b raided 4 TV markets. KU is not a national brand (as some are suggesting) & and afterthought in what really matters... Football. Don't see any conferences clamoring to get Memphis or Louisville do ya??

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