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Realignment Today: 3:43 p.m. - Neinas conference call set for 5 p.m.; may help uncover Mizzou's motives

3:43 p.m. Update:

The Big 12 has announced that interim commissioner Chuck Neinas will host a conference call at 5 p.m. CST tonight.

I'll be on it and I'll be tracking all of the action. Probably will be a lot easier to do via Twitter, at least live, and then I'll come back here with a recap.

If you'd like to catch the live Tweets, come follow me: https://twitter.com/#!/mctait

The announcement did not specify what the purpose of the call would be, however, it's most likely the easiest way to accommodate the large number of requests for interviews with Neinas.

Stay tuned...

1:43 p.m. Update:

Chris Level, who covers Texas Tech for Rivals.com reported earlier that Tech president Guy Bailey told him and Aaron Dickens earlier today that Mizzou's Brady Deaton told him that MU did not have an offer from the SEC and would remain in the Big 12.

If this whole charade was a leverage play by Mizzou, this news severely undercut it. It also goes a long way toward stabilizing the league, though there, clearly, remains a lot of work to be done in terms of unifying it.

Speaking of that... One day into his term as interim commissioner of the Big 12, Chuck Neinas already is hard at work. This is the reason the guy was a no-brainer choice for the position. More importantly, he's already alluded to his past relationships with former Big Eight members as giving him a leg up in the task of putting the Big 12 back together again.

Earlier today, Mike DeArmond of the Kansas City Star, who knew Neinas during his days with the Big Eight posted this Q&A with the Big 12's new boss.

http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2076

As the effort to clear up the confusion Missouri put in place last night continues, one thing has emerged above all else and that's the this is a conference in need of one voice. No more of this several members acting in their own best interest stuff. One voice. One conference. One goal.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/34310/one-voice-needed-for-big-12-next-ste

Stay tuned...

10:27 a.m. Update:

As expected, there's been a ton of talk today about where Mizzou stands with the SEC.

I posted this yesterday, but I think it's worth repeating.

Think about the lengths the SEC went to to avoid lawsuits when they were courting Texas A&M. Extensive, right? The SEC wanted the move to be about A&M wanting to leave and basically wouldn't even touch the Aggies until they had "broken up" with the Big 12.

With that in mind, do you think the SEC's going to throw all that out the window and charge hard after Missouri? No way. They won't be willing to deal with lawsuits — which would come — to grab Mizzou if they weren't willing to do it to get A&M. Just doesn't make sense.

Once again, if MU to the SEC is still on the table, there could be plans in the works to make the whole idea seem like Missouri went after the SEC, not the other way around. But either way, with news of a potential offer in place leaking earlier this week, solid material for future lawsuits already is piling up.

More than likely this is about MU making a leverage play. Perhaps to get what it wants in all of this and perhaps to further put the pressure on Texas to give in. Not sure the second part of that will work — I think Texas believes the Big 12 could and would live without MU — but I can see where the Tigers are coming from if that's the case.

If not, they're just wasting everybody's time, including their own.

On the phones and looking for links. Stay tuned...

9:26 a.m. Update:

Around 6 p.m. Thursday, everything seemed to be in great shape with the Big 12. Well, great in comparison to what it's looked like for the past few weeks.

The realignment mess seemed to be settled, commissioner Dan Beebe was on his way out and it looked as if the nine remaining members were ready to move forward with a lot of hugs, handshakes and happiness.

But then officials from Missouri spoke and threw a wrench into everyone's plans.

Instead of taking the opportunity to hammer home the point that the Big 12 was strong, MU chancellor Brady Deaton added even more uncertainty. By not pledging strong, long-term commitment to the league, Deaton left the door open for the Tigers to move to another conference — someday — and left a lot of people upset at the same time.

The league has worked too hard for it to come to this, even if it does seem fitting. I realize things aren't perfect and that the league has a lot of work to do before it can even begin to regain the respectability and trust of those who follow it and work with it. But that will happen. And it would've happened a lot faster had Missouri pulled all of its limbs inside the train and let the door close.

They didn't. Here's why. Sure the Tigers still have interest in leaving if the Big 12 can't get its act together. But all signs point to that being the goal. For Mizzou to pose as another obstacle to that happening is just downright selfish.

And, really, that's what we're talking about here. The Tigers are the one remaining team with a little bit of leverage right now. And instead of tossing that aside and rejoining its brothers, MU jumped at the chance to be the big dog for a day. Congratulations. Won't last. And it will only end up hurting you in the end.

Depending on your point of view, the Big 12 is in a number of different states right now. It's either time to celebrate, time to exhale or time to tighten up and prepare for the next round of fighting. Sounds about right, doesn't it?

From where I sit, this is just another bump in the road for a conference that seems to have become more comfortable when surrounded by dysfunction than triumph. We'll see.

All I know is that it's time for this league to stop embarrassing itself and everyone associated with it.

Here's the latest on Mizzou, from The Kansas City Star's Mike DeArmond, who covers the Tigers: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/22/3161236/sec-still-in-missouris-sights.html

And here are a couple of good recaps of Thursday's ridiculous day, one from Pete Thamel of The New York Times and another from SI.com's Andy Staples.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/sports/ncaafootball/big-12-works-on-deal-on-tv-money-as-its-commissioner-resigns.html?_r=2&ref=sports

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/09/22/big12.agreement/index.html?eref=twitter_feed

And, for those who might have missed it, here's the joint statement released by KU chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little and AD Sheahon Zenger a little before 10 p.m. last night.

“Tonight, nine members of the Big 12 Conference affirmed their solidarity and agreed to measures that will ensure the stability of the conference moving forward.

“The preservation of the Big 12 has been our primary objective as we worked to uphold the interests of KU, our student-athletes and fans. Tonight’s agreement will enable us to again look at expansion as a way to solidify the conference’s national standing. We look forward to working with interim commissioner Chuck Neinas in that effort.

“We want to thank Jayhawks for their patience as we have worked aggressively toward this outcome. We would have liked to have shared details of the various discussions with you, but it better served our common objective to proceed with the utmost discretion.

“While details remain to be worked out, this agreement points to a bright future for the Big 12 and allows us all to begin to turn our attention back to the accomplishments of our student-athletes in the classroom and on the field of competition.”

More to come throughout the day, I'm sure.

Stay tuned...

Comments

AlecRaenos 3 years, 8 months ago

Awesome. Adding to the fact that the Jayhawks are shackled to those purple pansies and that no one wants us, this is just perfect.

Angus0199 3 years, 8 months ago

We are going to be those purple pansies bitches in a few weeks...Did you not see their game against Miami today.

Joe Joseph 3 years, 8 months ago

Remember those Muck Fizzou shirts that aren't allowed anymore?

DanHogan95 3 years, 8 months ago

I still have a Muck Fichigan shirt from my Michigan State days. You bet I'm not getting rid of that!

trey 3 years, 8 months ago

I guess Missouri isn't "100% in" as has been soft often reported.

letourneau41 3 years, 8 months ago

Ha...What makes you think that the PAC would take us?

AlecRaenos 3 years, 8 months ago

Maybe but Utah beat KU to the punch. No way the Pac 12 takes another team with under 3 million population. Pac 12 is NEVER going to take Kansas.

DallasJayhawk1 3 years, 8 months ago

Not going to happen. Why would Pac do that--they aren't expanding now. Scott said it perfectly.

DallasJayhawk1 3 years, 8 months ago

Then you didn't see Scott's live interview yesterday--they just added 2 teams and haven't even begun their 1st season with conference champ game, just inked their new TV deal that would have to be modified. And oh yeah, UT left them standing last time and they don't want a problem child. Pac listened, that's all they did. Scott said he didn't even go back to the schools with a proposal--he just listened. There's a difference between applying and being accepted.

DallasJayhawk1 3 years, 8 months ago

Of course they listened. But they don't want the headache of those 2 schools, etc. I will take Scott's words over any reports on ESPN or anywhere else. Other than that--nobody knows more than anyone else.

TheColonel 3 years, 8 months ago

Interesting notion, but our chancellor and "bold" will never be mentioned in the sentence. She is hell bent on following the pack (no pun intended).

FLJHK 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't know that the opportunity is there to sneak into the PAC, but agree KU officials should be open to both that and the BIG 10 and should be working those angles.

Agree that if MU goes, you can put a fork into the Big 12.

Also understand and fully appreciate your earlier suggestion that Rice and Tulane should be on the consideration list for Big 12 expansion. Other than the SEC where football is the only God, true conference stability is a dual function of academic integrity and equal revenue sharing. We've taken big hits on the former and the loss of Mizzou would be a final blow. As to revenue sharing, there's little cause for optimism given the stance by UT, understandable as it may be.

lama 3 years, 8 months ago

The Pac has zero interest in adding Kansas.

FlintHawk 3 years, 8 months ago

We've got some work to do first. Among other things, "KU leaders are well aware that KU doesn’t hold up well when compared with its AAU peers . . . ."

Source for LJW article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903703604576584771531621708.html?mod=WSJ_LifeStyle_Lifestyle_5

Once upon a time, we marketed ouselves as "The Harvard of the Midwest." Seems as if that would be hard to do now.

Eric Dawson 3 years, 8 months ago

Your point being that KU's leadership needs to get in gear to fix the problem -- and if you had provided the complete quote, you would have told readers here that the leadership is doing something about it.

The complete quote from http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/sep...: "KU leaders are well aware that KU doesn’t hold up well when compared with its AAU peers, which is why they’ve been undertaking some measures to bolster the overall research expenses at the school. Provost Jeff Vitter outlined the situation in a memo last November."

and also "[Y]ou may have noticed that KU was asking for state funds to hire “foundation professors” in key areas that would align with KU’s strategic plan. Vitter told regents recently that the profs would help KU stay in the AAU."

Yes, there is a lot that needs to be done, and KU has developed a new strategic plan it is following to get it done.

I find it hard at at this point to fault the current admin, which has been working for over a year now on issues that emerged during Hemenway's watch. While he did a lot of good things while at KU, it is a fact that during his 14 years (1995- June 30 2009), KU's US News & World Report ranking is dramatically lower than it was at what I believe was its height in 2007: #88 among all national universities, public & private.* Just 4 years later, just 2 years after he stepped down, KU has slipped to a tie with nine other schools at #101. Given that BGL and Provost Vitter started working this issue in earnest in 2010 (despite all the distractions created by all the KU scandals), it's pretty clear that the precipitous slide began on his watch and the current admin are trying to right the ship and get KU back on course.

*data from a pro-Hemenway wikipedia article. Can't find prior year USN&WR rankings online, need to check out library pubs.

FlintHawk 3 years, 8 months ago

By providing the link to the article, I assumed that posters who are interested in KU's academic status would get the whole story.

I'm concerned about where we are in the NOW. While acknowledging that KU admin is working on things, we must be alert to the current situation.

Plans and promises don't always play out as intended.

ja3hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Well... Regardless of whether or not MU stays in the B12, the conference must grow. For the B12 to gain enough stability, we need to add teams to get back to 12. Then after that, we need to be proactive to be the first conference to get to 16 teams. Four 16 team conferences seems to still be sought after... why not be the first to get there? I'm not saying adding sub-par schools. I mean going after schools like, TCY, BYU, Arkansas, Boise State, Utah, Colorado State, Louisville....

ja3hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm speaking in terms of football in which case Arkansas, BYU and TCU are STRONG. Comparing the likes of the B12 + the teams I mentioned to the WAC is foolish. Put those schools in a list and refer back to that NY times article that Matt posted a couple of days ago and you would have a huge number of fans in this conference. And why exactly wouldn't we be able to steal a bcs school form another conference. Especially one that makes sense... like Arkansas?

ja3hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm sure our intentions are the same. We want the best for our school and ultimately our conference. That kind of attitude you displayed is basically what got us into this mess. Teams have moved around over the past 50 years. We should be proactive to give offers to schools that would be hard for them to refuse. Siting around and taking the status quo will get us back to realignment talks in 12 months.

I know my history, those 16 teams that were in the WAC woudln't compare to the 16 I proposed, plain and simple.

ja3hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

I know what is at the top of your list. The window of opportunity for KU landing in the PAC is closing. It's less likely than many of the other scenarios that have been discussed. Adding institutions to a hemorrhaging B12 is where we are now. It's clear as day.

trey 3 years, 8 months ago

That's a fine thought to say let's get aggressive and be the first conference to 16. The problem is...

WHO ARE THE 7-8 GOOD SCHOOLS THAT YOU CAN ADD?

Look at your list...

You think Arkansas will leave the SEC for the Big12? Why? You think Utah will leave the PAC after 1 year? Why? Boise State is like a Juco, good football, but ZERO else. Colorado State; what do they bring? TCU, BYU and Louisville would be OK, but certainly not equivalent to the schools that we've lost.

There are just not that many quality schools/programs in this part of the country, that aren't already in a better conference.

ja3hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm just saying, the B12 needs to be aggressive and stop being passive/responsive. Getting these schools on board in an attempt to be the first conf to 16 shows that we are creating a stable and strong conference.

ja3hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

These markets are substantial. Adding several million TV sets to the conference. We get into more markets.

4chewnut 3 years, 8 months ago

Matt-- Thanks for doing a terrific job through all of this. I heard Mitch Holthus earlier this week and he had some creative ideas on what the Big 12 could do. Bring in some new members. Sign some schools - Notre Dame - to play us in football and basketball - but to remain independent. His ideas brought a lot of energy and would make the Big 12 something to be reckoned with. Have you heard his thoughts?

Krohnutz 3 years, 8 months ago

You are not portraying his thoughts quite accurately. His idea was not to play us in football and basketball and remain independent, that would be easy and would have potential. However...

His idea was to have them rotate through playing us in football as an independent... and here comes the part I said, "hell no"....

...to join the conference in basketball, and we would add a handful of basketball only schools to bring the total to an even number. He threw out names like Marquette and Depaul, Big East basketball only schools.

So essentially, we would be the Big East II. We could even change our name to the Middle East, that would really give an air of stability.

Not a chance in hell that they should even consider this. You create a monstrous watered down basketball conference so you can appease a smug university that is "too" everything to suck it up and join a conference?

If Notre Dame wants to cycle in games with Big 12 teams in football (which they are scheduled to do over the next few years) that is fine. If they want their basketball team to be in a real conference, they should try joining a real conference.

Notre Dame would finally have to join a conference if people stopped catering to them (see NBC and their 1.8 share ratings).

TheColonel 3 years, 8 months ago

I dislike Missouri as much as the next guy, but really, who can blame them? How many times are the schools going to be asked to pledge solidarity in the Big 12? Each time, it is less and less genuine.

It's like the old saying fool me once shame on you, twice shame one me. Then what the heck is three times???

If KU had a stronger position, I'd be pulling hard for us to just get off this train wreck once and for all. Its a new century- we can build new rivals, we can build new legacies, we can write new stories. We don't need to continue to compromise our future for the nostalgia of the past.

chsirwin 3 years, 8 months ago

100% agree. I wish KU was in a position to do it.

As close as we were to slapping Texas in the mouth, with A&M leaving and then OU flirting with the P12, we're right back where we left off. OU was embarrassed and A&M is screwed.

OU is back as #2 in the conference and A&M's only options are to pay a huge penalty for leaving or come groveling back. We're all Texas' bee-yatches again.

All we can hope for is that real reform happens and time heals wounds. But what has Texas done in the past to make you think they'll do anything other than what is best for them? They are just toxic.

MISTERTibbs 3 years, 8 months ago

Does this really surprise you since Mizzou was the school that started all this bs last year only to end up with egg on their face when Nebraska was selected over them for the Big 10?

rob4lb 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't blame MU or anyone else that has some leverage for not buying in 100%. What has really changed? A&M left because of the LHN. OU explored other options because of the LHN. We have already been told that changes to the LHN are non-negotiable. So what's changed? It's got to be frustrating to look out the window and see the other conferences play together harmoniously while we have tip toe around a bully and hope that he is in a reasonable mood. After awhile, enough is enough, and if you have a chance to leave, you leave.

To everyone who says, the conference does not need MU, you couldn't be more wrong. MU's departure will further weaken the conference. There is no one you can replace them with that come close to adding the same value. Stop with the TCU or SMU or Louisville, it's just a bandaid.

The non-Texas states in the conference of KS, IA, OK, and MO have a population of about 16M. Take away MU and you now have 10M. How is that not going to effect TV revenue.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 8 months ago

If MU leaves, I believe OU and OSU are in the SEC as well.

Everything has been pledged, but nothing has been signed and ratified. MU had a backup plan and secretly I think they were hoping that the Big 12 would implode so they could make their move without lawsuits. Now with it stabalizing, i think they still want to leave, they just want to figure out how without the lawsuits.

DallasJayhawk1 3 years, 8 months ago

If Mizzery isn't on board 100%--then the Presidents vote should be you are free to go and no longer part of the conference. We need team players--not ones that aren't going to commit. BYU, Air Force should be our first targets. TCU will be really hard to get--although they haven't played a game yet there, the Big East has already said they will put up the same legal fight as Baylor did.

Hank Cross 3 years, 8 months ago

MU is acting exactly as it should - looking out for its own best interests. Why shouldn't it when its fate has been at the mercy of the whims of UT and OU for the past 2 years? I wouldn't toss out my last bit of leverage until I got the deal I wanted either. If MU could get a better deal in the SEC, the it should absolutely walk. I would say the same thing if KU got an invite to go to the P12 or B10 w/o any other B12 school going with it.

It's pretty obvious that BGL and SZ were just bystanders in this whole thing and Scott decided the fate of the B12. If he would have said yes, the OK schools would've been gone already.

Compared to MU, KU has been acting like a 2:00 am booty call that UT and OU can always turn to after they've been trolling Hollywood bars looking for a more attractive partner.

Ron Prichard 3 years, 8 months ago

I know MU didn't go "all in" last night at their press conference, but I really think they are just trying to gain a little leverage with Texas and OU. I can't imagine the SEC would extend them an invitation now after everything that has happened. I would have to think that Texas and OU could place a few calls to some SEC schools or the commissioner advising that if the SEC invites MU they not only "could" find themselves facing a lawsuit, they "would" find themselves facing a lawsuit. A threat from Baylor is one thing. A threat from Texas and OU is very different. I really think this is just MU trying to squeeze the last bit of leverage out of this to get more concessions out of Texas and not let OU try and run the show on its own. Just my two cents.

DallasJayhawk1 3 years, 8 months ago

I agree. No other conference wants them at this point now that conference re-alignment hype has died down. I say call their bluff and see what they really do.

rob4lb 3 years, 8 months ago

SEC needs a 14th member. Who is a better candidate than MU? They have to be the #1 option for the SEC.

DallasJayhawk1 3 years, 8 months ago

They do. But not at this time. Hence why Mizzery is waffling a bit. But SEC has other schools in mind as well I'm sure and they don't want another Baylor legal issue on their hands--especially now with all Big 12 schools all in and showing solidarity.

TJWhatleyLives 3 years, 8 months ago

If you did't get to see the Beebe meltdown on Twitter it was classic.

Danny Hernandez 3 years, 8 months ago

Supposedly it wasn't the real Beebe that posted on Twitter....

LSHawk 3 years, 8 months ago

MU is not going anywhere. Would you rather have a chance at being the conference champs 3 out of 5 years or being in 5th or 6th every year, which is exactly where MU would finish in the SEC.

purple 3 years, 8 months ago

Missouri football record against SEC schools: 20-8-1 Winning record against all schools except Kentucky (1-2) and Georgia (0-1).

Jeff Kilgore 3 years, 8 months ago

That would change. In two SEC years, their record would barely be above .500.

jgkojak 3 years, 8 months ago

In the long run, if MU bolts to the SEC- good for us. Because when the B10 comes calling in a few years, we'd then be a prime candidate.

texashawk10 3 years, 8 months ago

KU will be in the AAU for a good long while. They now weigh biomedical research and funding the most and with the med center getting ready to designated a NCI, that will generate billions of dollars in research grants and secure KU's AAU membership for a long time.

rob4lb 3 years, 8 months ago

Our going to the Big 10 is a fantasy. Unless they can convince Notre Dame to join, there is no incentive for them to expand.

trey 3 years, 8 months ago

Disagree. Our best chance to B1G is combo deal with MU. Could we go to B1G without them, maybe. But much less likely.

LJD230 3 years, 8 months ago

The reality is this: the nine schools remaining in the now defunct Big 12 is a conference without a name. It ain't the BIG 12 anymore. Get over it.

After the drama of the last several weeks it is hard to imagine any school woth it's salt wanting to be affiliated with the likes of OU, OSU and Mizzou!!!

Cora Smith 3 years, 8 months ago

IF KU has any possibility with the ACC, Pac 12, Big 10 or any other legitimate offer, it should take it now. The rest of the world will align in the next 6 years and KU will be on the outside looking in. Additionally, the Board of Regents should get it out of their heads that insisting that KU and K-State be spoken in the same breath should go away. It is every dog for themselves and it will not change.

Hard to blame Missouri when they can achieve stability and prestige by going to the SEC. However, I seriously doubt Texas A & M or Missouri will be happy as middle of the pack or lower in the SEC.

rob4lb 3 years, 8 months ago

Did I miss something from the BOR meeting?

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 8 months ago

They basically said they wouldn't leave the purple headed step child behind.

purple 3 years, 8 months ago

Middle of the road in SEC? Missouri football record against SEC schools: 20-8-1 Winning record against all schools except Kentucky (1-2) and Georgia (0-1).

rob4lb 3 years, 8 months ago

What's your point? Alot of those games were played years ago so the record not that relevant.

ja3hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

I've got to agree. I'm not sure why they are so infatuated with keeping us tied to the boys in Manhattan. Kansas should have one prime university in the state. That would be KU. It has always hurt recruiting, splitting the local recruits.

trey 3 years, 8 months ago

This is a total joke, and the BOR, BGL and Zenger need to be developing our EXIT PLAN now. Not a fall-back plan, a "let's get the hell of of here now" plan. Though it's hard to say, I sure wish we had the exit plan that MU has.

Instead, all we hear is this "we're totally committed to the Big12" crap. I'm good with BGL and Zenger not out in the press puffing their chest out. But then just don't say anything. Be silent like ISU. We don't need to hear more about how the Big12 is best for KU. The signal that sends is either...

"we have nothing to offer anyone else", or "we're totally in bed with Texas" (which more and more, I believe is the case).

And all this talk last night about the schools signings media rights to the Big12 for the next 6 years (as a big exit penalty), as putting the cart way before the horse. Why would ANY SCHOOL do that until they have aggreement on how the conference is going to operate during that time. What MU certainly wants to know first is...

  1. How are Tier1&2 revenues going to be split (unevenly like today, or equal shares like the other conferences)?

  2. Is any of the Tier3 revenue (like the LHN) going to be split, or is each school on their own for Tier3 contracts and money.

  3. What content is going to be allowed on the LHN, or any Tier3 deal (HS games/highlights?).

  4. Are we going to expand to 10, 12, or beyond (makes big difference in revenue shares).

No school is going to sign this "poisen pill" until all that is worked out. Which goes back to the Texas, and to a lesser degree OU... Are they going to give anything up?

MU is saying... if you don't, screw you, we're going to the SEC. And if our leaders had developed any other option for KU, we should be saying the same thing.

Weak, Weak, Weak.

lama 3 years, 8 months ago

Exit plan to where exactly? No one is beating down KU's door.

lama 3 years, 8 months ago

CU worked that move for two decades...do a little research. Utah was in a mid-major conference.

lama 3 years, 8 months ago

We'll be set in 2030! (Assuming the State develops a thriving metro area with a tech corridor like Denver by then and somehow moves within the Pac-12 footprint).

FLJHK 3 years, 8 months ago

The ONLY way disequal revenue distribution could work in the Big 12 is if it were bait that would entice Notre Dame, and to a much lesser extent BYU, into the fold. As regards Notre Dame, I'm not foolish enough to think there's any realistic opportunity for that to happen, just that it's the only card we've got to play.

We could then adopt a new name: The Free Market Conference.

ja3hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm just glad we have the week off! I think coach Gill will get things turned around. It's already starting to look better and this is his first year with his OWN recruits. We can only go up from here....

Jeff Kilgore 3 years, 8 months ago

Wishful thinking. It isn't coaching. It's talent. Players make plays. I am horrified of what might happen the rest of the way. How many teams can and will score 50+ on us this year?

If I were Gill, I'd be devoting 30 minutes of my practices each day to fake punts, fake field goals, and onside kicks. I'm not kidding. We just don't have the right kids or the right numbers. This is the second year, not the first of teams scoring at will.

I like Gill, I honestly do. He must recruit better players and fast.

Jayhawkfanalum 3 years, 8 months ago

On the one hand, this MU posturing risks horrid bad press, because, East to West coast, we’re all suffering from realignment fatigue.

On the other hand, C. Deaton and MU have handled this round of realignment brilliantly to this point. Both OU and Texas are eating a little crow. And Baylor. Not so much MU (or KU for that matter). And If MU comes a calling to the SEC, the SEC won’t send them on their way as the Pac12 did to OU.

OK. Now people are realizing OU is essential to the B12 (and attractive to other conferences).

Guess what. MU is too. They’re the new Nebraska, anchoring the north, a school in a decent-sized state with 2 major metropolitan media outlets and only one major university, one with a strong FB program and a historically (and potentially) strong BB program as well.

While I find this MU posturing annoying, UT and OU and all the boys down south need to acknowledge that MU is actually essential to the B12. Maybe the southern behemoths can disregard Iowa State, perhaps even KU and K-State. But they’d better not dis’ MU, or they’re going to served a brand new plate of worry and grief.

LogicMan 3 years, 8 months ago

Yes -- their enviable position does help ensure that the Tier I and II monies will be locked in and shared equally, or they bolt.

FairgroveJayhawk 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm very excited the Big 12 has a brighter outlook. It means less travel for student athletes and a better ability to achieve their academic goals.

Kudos to KU's representation in Bernadette Gray-Little and Sheahon Zenger in how they've handled all the speculation.

trey 3 years, 8 months ago

You've got to be kidding...

How have they handled it so well?

What evidence do you have that they've developed ANY option for KU other than blindly supporting the disfuntional Big12?

Don't be confused...

Not being a dumbass is the press, doesn't mean you're doing anything.

jkd9379 3 years, 8 months ago

We need to be the first to 16 teams. Do the 4 pods system. (Pod 1) Lets add ND (I know they aren't coming but we can dream right), Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia (pod 2), Boise State, BYU, Kansas, Kansas State, (Pod 3) ISU, Missouri, OU, OSU, (Pod 4) UT, TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech. This is perfect and still the first super conference. Now everything get there head out of there a$$ and work together to make this the best conference in college sports... Rock Chalk!

jgkojak 3 years, 8 months ago

BOISE ST is a Junior college. Seriously. They cannot be in the same conference as KU academically. We'd be better of with JCCC.

ja3hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't have any allegiance to Boise State but this doesn't sounds like a JUCO to me:

Boise State offers 201 degrees in 190 fields of study and has more than 100 graduate programs, including the MBA and MAcc programs in the College of Business and Economics; Masters and PhD programs in the Colleges of Engineering, Arts & Sciences, and Education; and the MPA program in the College of Social Sciences & Public Affairs. With nearly 20,000 students, Boise State is both the largest and fastest-growing institution of higher education in the state of Idaho.

I know they aren't that great in terms of academics but I'm willing to give them the nod over JCCC. lol

142466 3 years, 8 months ago

Regarding the academic standing of Boise, KU ain't too hot now, either. Not what it was 50 years ago, when I was absorbing tidbits of wisdom at Greene Hall.

When deciding whom to invite, don't be too parochial. Be realistic. Compared to their west coast athletic brothers, Washington State and ASU aren't bastions of scholarship.

I don't know whether, academically, Boise is sinking, treading water, or training for the olympics. What we do know is that they're damn good, and innovative, in football. And they're just a few miles up the road from BYU.

Since all these pending conference mergers, spin-offs, affiliations, and conglomerations are, first and foremost, football business transactions, we should thoroughly investigate Boise.

BoiseHawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Have you ever visited Boise State? Hired any of its graduates? Worked with people who have degrees from BSU? I have. It's no community college.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 8 months ago

Find a BSU graduate west of Colorado...Doesn't exist.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 8 months ago

Oops..East of Colorado...Don't know how many of them are outside of the Utah, Wyoming Idaho Montana area.

Bville Hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Why? What does it gain any of us? Split the revenue 16 ways instead of 9 or 10 ways? And there aren't even 7 decent prospects out there... My take is stay with 9 or possibly 10 at the max. Play everyone once every year in football and twice every year in basketball (excluding postseason bb tourney), no football championship game (hurts those with national title aspirations more often than not).

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm glad you have bought into the 9 teams not the 16 or even 12.

+100000000000000000000000

Steve Brown 3 years, 8 months ago

A loyality oath with heavy exit fees does not protect the conference, rather it protects continued abuse of the unequal revenue sharing so that remaining schools can not depart as did Buffs, Aggies and Huskers. Loyality oaths like prenupital agreements are not needed in relationships of trust, mutual respect and parties of equal value.

Dodds says "we are who we are and others will say what they will say" and with our new loyality oath, now that we learn we dont have an exit or an out will keep you others in line.

East Berlin needed a wall, the Big 12 should not, unless something is rotten at the core.

FLJHK 3 years, 8 months ago

KU's interim strategy must be focused on academics. Yes, some upgrade to football facilities would be apprpriate, but football and local market share will never be our selling points. Our basketball brand and academics will be.

It should be noted that the schools that have moved to stable conferences in recent years are all academically sound. KU's AAU membership is a credential of enormous significance. However, we currently reside in the lower tier of AAU schools. While I don't have knowledge to suggest that our membership status is in jeopardy, potentially losing that credential would completely destroy KU's status as a major university.

I don't know what it would take to enhance our current status - higher admission standards, money infusions to leverage more research dollars? Whatever it takes should be pursued even more vigorously than athletic facility improvements.

FlintHawk 3 years, 8 months ago

FLJHK, see the article in today's LJW (link in my post above).

You are correct. +millions

LogicMan 3 years, 8 months ago

What's needed to firm up the AAU status?

ja3hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

The association ranks its members using four criteria: Research spending, the percentage of faculty who are members of the National Academies, faculty awards, and citations. Two thirds of members can vote to revoke membership for poor rankings.[5][6] As of 2010 annual dues are $80,500.[1]

ja3hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

The AAU has lost 4 members over the past 110 years. I think we're okay. What info do you have that suggests so?

ja3hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Agreed, We need to maintain and increase our AAU status. Hell, we've had its since 1904 or whatever. We can't afford to lose it... It was the one thing that makes us somewhat attractive to highly ranked academic conferences like the B1G... I've spoken with several Wisconsin Alum who felt that MU and KU were attractive to the B1G just because of that status. We can't let that slip away.

Hank Cross 3 years, 8 months ago

Absolutely correct. Go with the strengths -academics and BB.

142466 3 years, 8 months ago

I think Kansas statutory law requires KU to admit, as freshmen, all graduates of Kansas high schools. If so, that's an obstacle. Many 18 year old kids just want to come and watch Jayhawk basketball. Can't blame them. Anyone know if I'm correct regarding this law?

lama 3 years, 8 months ago

Didn't the Legislature give the Regents more autonomy on admissions last year? Qualified admissions should be a top priority, particularly since Brownback supports KU and K-State improving their national rankings. KU gets killed on selectivity and retention rates in most of the surveys, which puts it at a huge disadvantage against other schools. It's amazing KU is as close as it is to other schools with higher admission standards.

lv_jhwk 3 years, 8 months ago

Everyone else seems to be getting in the heads of MU's adminstrators, so I will too... they're panicking. Not in a "the Big 12 sky is continuing to fall" way but in a "pre-wedding jitters" sort of way.

The grants-of-rights agreement that has been discussed as a possibility is much more concerning to them than anything else. Sign that and they are essentially hitched to the conference for the next six years (if that's what is agreed upon), essentially nullifying any chance of getting to take up that SEC offer. So as every bride and groom experiences for at least a brief moment, they are pondering whether or not a union with this dysfunctional family of schools is worth it.

Essentially, MU is standing at the altar and while everyone is waiting to hear an "I do", they are busy eye-banging the old flame who showed up at the last moment dressed like a model and holding a spare room key.

TKHAWK 3 years, 8 months ago

Totally agree with your 10:27 post Matt. I truly hope this is mostly a power play by MU to keep pressure on Texas to stay true to negotiations since OU's bluff got blown by the PAC. Unfortunately its kind of a weak power play by MU given that one, I don't think their offer to the SEC held any water if the Big 12 survived, which it will, and as you said ultimately the 8 remaining teams could survive without MU at this point.

Having said that if they really want to go, I say go. And if you are going to go you better do it before you sign this huge new "pre-nup" with the Big 12 because once OU and Texas get this ironed out it is going to be $$$$$ to leave. Have fun battling Vandy for the bottom of the SEC, MU.

In a world where perception is as important as reality, the replacement of Beebe made the Big 12 look better, MU's stance makes us look weaker again.

trey 3 years, 8 months ago

KU's interim strategy needs to be...

  1. Finding a new chancellor.
  2. Evaluating whether our recent AD hire can play with the big boys.
  3. Hiring a "college-level" football coach (vs the "high school level" we clearly have today).

Danny Hernandez 3 years, 8 months ago

I just don't see how hiring a "pete carroll" type of coach is going to do much unless he can recruit to the school, 4 & 5 star players....Unless Kansas starts a winning football tradition,gets an influx of cash for the renovation of Memorial, I think we'll be what the Kentuckys, UNC's, Dukes are in college football. So-So

oldalum 3 years, 8 months ago

I have a lot of trouble believing MU would go to the SEC and forever ruin their chance of going to the Big10. I feel like that has always been their goal, even if they have to wait three or four years.

Pbbut 3 years, 8 months ago

This. MU is letting it be known that there are still major issues that need to be resolved in this conference...Texas...and I can't say I disagree. If things don't change quickly, I see MU 'settling' for the SEC, while they continue to covet the Big10.

Tony Bandle 3 years, 8 months ago

Forgive me the repitition, but it seems cogent to this string of posts.

Shortform history of the Big 12;

1] We are a great conference. 2] We Texas are going to have our own network and make more money. 3] We Nebraska and Colorado say screw you, adios. 4] We are a great conference. 5] We Texas think high schoolers will want to watch us on televsion. 6] We TAM say screw you, adios. 7] We Baylor says, just a second. 8] We Oklahoma, Okie State, Texas, Texas Tech, Missouri say screw you, adios. 9] We the PAC 12 and SEC say, thanks but no thanks. 10] We all say, let's be friends. 11] We are a great conference. 12] From the back of the room, " ...for now!!"

FLJHK 3 years, 8 months ago

A succinct and depressingly accurate evaluation.

DallasJayhawk1 3 years, 8 months ago

Forgot to add 10.5): We say Dan Beebie don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

MWShields 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't think Baylor, KSU, KU, and ISU waive any legal rights until they have IN WRITING some thing from the SEC that they are not going to accept MU for at least 6 years. That said, the pressure may be applied to the SEC by TAMU asking them to "back off of Missouri" so that they can get on with their move to the SEC. TAMU isn't going to have MU stand in its way and will be working toward any solutions that allow them to get out cheap and easy.

BarkingHawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Query:

Isn't MU Chancellor Brady Deaton in the midst of a massive conflict of interest?

As Chairman of the Big 12 Board of Directors, he is setting the agenda, making appointments, etc. and otherwise - as seemingly a fiduciary - duty-bound to work toward the best interests of the Big 12 and its survival as an intact entity, not to mention each member separately.

How does this square with his refusing to comment that he and MU are not wholeheartedly committed to the future of the Big 12? How does it square with not denying interest in another conference, whichever it is?

I do not see how he can have this both ways and, absent immunity, not be subject to a lawsuit for anything MU is doing behind the scenes with another conference (he and/or MU itself). The same may be true of any of the board members, but certainly Deaton in his role.

Again, there may be immunity or indemnification granted to the board members/chairman, but it is clear that, at least, the spectre of a conflict of interest arises either way. If there is a cause of action here, who knows what formal legal discovery might also disclose?

Am I missing something here?

Bville Hawk 3 years, 8 months ago

My take as well. If MU should bolt (besides potential legal issues which you describe) he would be known in major athletic circles as a two-faced, two-timing, gravy sucking dog. The only places he'd be able to find work would be Wall Street or the Federal government...

142466 3 years, 8 months ago

You are correct.

He's high above the center ring of Ringling Brother's circus. He's delicately swaying, on a tight rope, holding a B12 batan for balance. Down below, B12 folks are holding a net. He's glancing at the net. The net looks weak. On one end platform he sees Razorbacks & Aggies, on the other, Wolverines & Badgers. He's pincing his eyes, trying to read the expressions on their faces. Beeds of perspiration are rolling down the sides of his face.

jgkojak 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't have a problem with the 3 changes that happened this round -

A&M to SEC and Pitt/Cuse to ACC - they make geographic sense, are good fits academically and culturally with their conferences.

If the B12 can lock schools in "handcuffs" - I am all for it - they may set a precedent and every other conference will go into lock-down mode- meaning this won't happen again for quite a while.

Tony Bandle 3 years, 8 months ago

Hey..don't knock handcuffs. They can be surprisingly erotic!!

I recommend the velvet-lined ones. :]

Danny Hernandez 3 years, 8 months ago

The PAC12 and Big10 handcuff their schools with the TV rights waiver so why shouldn't the BIG12/9/10 or whatever we are

Kristen Downing 3 years, 8 months ago

Man, I hate MU even more now. Something needs to happen to knock these snotty little boys down....Oh yeah, there is football tomorrow. GO OKLAHOMA STATE!

rob4lb 3 years, 8 months ago

Regarding AAU status, this is an area of concern. I learned that Nebraska was kicked out by an email I got from the Chancellor. She acknowleged in the email that KU's status could be at risk, but that strengthening KU's research capabilities and maintaining AAU membership was a top priority. The Wall Street Journal article yesterday was a bit troubling. It listed each university's US News Ranking and its ranking of research dollars. KU ranked 138 in research dollars; K-State was 139. KU was lower than MU, ISU, A&M. UT, Nebraska, Colorado. They were ahead of OU, OSU, TT and Baylor.

Bobo Fleming 3 years, 8 months ago

Let them go. I dont like them. Never liked them. I dont like playing them or hearing about them or smelling them. Do you get the idea. I dont like MU

BarkingHawk 3 years, 8 months ago

I have followed these events closely, along with many of the comments posted by KU alums, fans and followers. A total of 15 members of my family have attended KU, several with advanced degrees. I'm one, but that's not my point, only to say that our group is well invested to the betterment of our university and our state's level of education in general.

As noted by other posts, the more one thinks about this mess (and, let's face it, it is a mess), the more one concludes that we need to take advantage of the moment to tie our athletic future, survival or whatever one wants to call it to major, and I mean MAJOR, improvement of our academic standing. Our most recent decline in the U.S. News rating was another disappointment. We may be teetering in our membership in the AAU. Other points set out in the following from the Journal World (also cited earlier) echo these concerns.

A fund-raising moment - for academics through Jayhawk athletics - is at hand. We're now coming to realize - one hopes - that it's a must on both fronts.

trey 3 years, 8 months ago

You will likely see Brady Deaton step down soon as Chairman of Big12 Board. He will say that it's not appropriate for him to lead the reform of the Big12, while he school evaluates other options. Which is true.

But, it will be yet ANOTHER signal to college athletics that the Big12 is weak and getting weaker.

BGL and Zenger we need an Exit Play now!

MWShields 3 years, 8 months ago

Tech's Guy Bailey has told two reporters that Deaton has told him that they do not have an offer from SEC and that MU will stay in B12.

LAJayhawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Matt,

"Once again, if MU to the SEC is still on the table, there could be plans in the works to make the whole idea seem like Missouri went after the SEC, not the other way around. But either way, with news of a potential offer in place leaking earlier this week, solid material for future lawsuits already is piling up."

It doesn't matter how they try to frame it publicly. The biggest part of civil litigation is discovery, and there is absolutely no way the lawyers won't get all the information about who contacted who. There is FAR too many parties involved to not be able to find the memo or witness or email, etc, etc, etc. If either side (mizzou or SEC) tried to hide it, their lawyers would be in massive amounts of trouble, as, again with all the parties involved, the truth would come out. No lawyer in his/her right mind would hide that information. And if a school official hide it, he or she would no longer be a school official and probably would be looking at criminal charges.

So, as you said, the lawsuits would come, which means the truth would come out. And if the SEC contacted mizzou, then they would be potentially liable, regardless of how it's spun in the press.

MWShields 3 years, 8 months ago

The real recourse here is through TAMU. Baylor, KU, KSU, and ISU won't waive rights without assurances from the SEC that MU is off the table. TAMU is going to pressure SEC into rescinding the offer so that they can get on with their transition. The way I see it is that the SEC screwed the pooch on this one and should count their lucky stars they are able to get out with TAMU.

LAJayhawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Agreed. I'm sure that will be the negotiation. It's clear that A&M wants no part of the Big 12 anymore, so the conference might as well strike the deal that the SEC can have them provided they don't go after any other Big 12 schools. Again, though, if mizzou bolts for the SEC, you can absolutely bank on it that the truth of the SEC contacting them (if that is actually what happened) will 100% come out.

The funny thing is mizzou is painting themselves into a corner by their actions.... again. They look like the d-bags who didn't fully commit, yet they don't really have an out at this point. It was a very poor public relations move, and I would have expected them to have learned their lesson from last year.

Then again, it is mizzou. I shouldn't expect that they can feed themselves without eating their own arm....

trey 3 years, 8 months ago

People, the Big12 can't prevent any team from leaving. Just like the BigE couldn't prevent Syracuse and Pitt from leaving. All the Big12 can do is enforce the exit terms in the conference bylaws, which likely include...

An Exit penalty (it's either an absolute number, ie. 20M), or some amount of their TV revenues.

A timeframe that we will allow them to leave (ie. 27 months in the BigE).

I'm all for enforcing these terms to the max degree with both A&M and anyone else that leaves. But we have to have a conference left to do it.

Steve Brown 3 years, 8 months ago

Boren said all nine remaining schools — all those except for Texas A&M — "agreed" to give a six-year grant of their first- and second-tier television rights to the Big 12.

Unless you include the 3rd tier rights and the LHN $$ in the contract this agreement binds only the other 8 schools. UT can leave anytime they want to go independant put all their games on LHN and not play on FOX or ABC and give up nothing.

It binds us to them not them to us, so why sign it.

lv_jhwk 3 years, 8 months ago

UT has no say in which of its games are tier 1, 2, or 3. The networks make their choices for tiers 1 and 2, the leftovers go to tier 3 (the LHN in this case).

David Atchley 3 years, 8 months ago

Texas has agreed to relinquish its Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights for the next 6 years, meaning "if" they elect to go elsewhere, their games can still be aired by the Big 12 Conference. and all rights to those tiered games.

However, they will not relinquish the Longhorn Network. The $300M from ESPN over the next 20 years, $5M of that each year, over the first 5 years of the agreement goes to the academics at the University of Texas. Staff and budget cuts at Texas were grateful for the infusion of capital.

ESPN perceives the partnership with the University of Texas to be their biggest "launch" since ESPN2. They are not going to acquiese and the "net" of around $22M a year from those monies, aren't going to be conceded for any reason by the Longhorns.

The fact Texas has retained their Tier 1 and 2 rights for the past 16 years and is willing to relinquish is their commitment to the Big 12 Conference.

AlecRaenos 3 years, 8 months ago

NOt enough.

Texas and its fans can go to hell.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

Explain this opinion.

Why should Texas have to relinquish revenue that is generated almost solely upon their own school brand?

Should KU start sharing its enormous ticket sale revenues from basketball?

LogicMan 3 years, 8 months ago

If the Tier I and II money is split evenly, and each school retains Tier III, what are the school-by-school changes in TV revenue?

Danny Hernandez 3 years, 8 months ago

What I don't get is what is going to be televised on the LHN if most of their games are tier 1 and tier 2's?

What exactly is ESPN paying for?

I'm sure Kansas could get a basketball type of tier 3 network with ESPN rather than the Jayhawk network and salvage some more dollars...it's not like Kansas basketball has nothing to offer. We could televise Kansas High School basketball or Kansas City, Mo high school basketball

Mike Ardis 3 years, 8 months ago

If MU is doing this for leverage vs Texas I don't blame them. OU has none now that the Pac12 said "no thanks." Since then Texas has gone back to basically saying third tier rights for the Longhorn network are not going to be split. The rest of the schools need whatever leverage there is to drag Texas into negotiations. If not we might as well name DeLoss Dodd as Big 12 Commissioner...

David Atchley 3 years, 8 months ago

"Tier 3" are games that if Tier 1 and Tier 2 "pass" on the telecast, make them available/negotiable for the Longhorn Network and Texas won't negotiate that piece. They have already aired their game against Rice on the Longhorn Network, and the next game slated is vs. Kansas.

Danny Hernandez 3 years, 8 months ago

So in essence, ESPN could pass on some games to "conveniently" "STEER" them to the LHN?

I put nothing past anyone in this day and age of greed

Jeff Kilgore 3 years, 8 months ago

To me, the 16 team conference is a disaster for NCAA schools. Championships will be lessened, travel will increase, cost will increase, fatigue will ensue, schools will have less reason and time to play out of conference. Costs are on the up, the economy is going nowhere.

Does anyone believe that this decade will be lost in conference tail chasing? If KU holds steady in the Big Whatever, (and that might be a good name for us now), I think we'll see teams such as Nebraska, but especially Colorado to ask for its way back in. And when they do, we should Prodigal Son them right back in. Just makes sense.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm curious if they said the same thing about 12 Team conferences.

DistantFlier 3 years, 8 months ago

Maybe it's time that the 8 members of the Big 12 not located in Austin grow some cojones and tell everyone to share and share alike as in the Big Ten/Pac-12 or hit the road.

Maybe it's time that Texas either becomes part of the solution to the Big 12's problems or finds a new home. I think that Texas has explored that route over the last 2 years and found out that no one else will put up with the stuff the Big 12 has allowed since inception.

Texas seems to think of themselves as the NY Yankees of college sports. How did the line from "Lil Abner" go -- what's good for General Motors (Texas) is good for the USA (Big 12)?

Andy Tweedy 3 years, 8 months ago

That sounds great, but isn't it obvious by now that while they are a complete pain in the a$$, they are good for almost everybody's bottom line in the Big XII? Their presence in the conference clearly makes the rest of us a lot of money.

Tony Bandle 3 years, 8 months ago

It's kind of like having a partner who'se really ugly but is also really good in bed. Close your eyes and it's all good!!

lama 3 years, 8 months ago

Re the discussion on AAU, importance of academics, admissions -- why hasn't this happened yet?

FlintHawk 3 years, 8 months ago

I think the legacy program for out-of-state kids is in place (most recent Alum Assoc magazine). Don't know about the other provisions.

Andy Tweedy 3 years, 8 months ago

I know the legacy program well. There are incentives offered to children of alums (I have a high school senior in Nebraska), but the academic requirements include an ACT score that a lot of kids don't have. It's a pretty good program. The other thing that KU offers in very limited scope is the Midwest Exchange Program, but only in journalism I believe.

lama 3 years, 8 months ago

No progress on admissions, however.

ltownatrain 3 years, 8 months ago

So here's what I don't get and maybe someone has said something about this earlier.....but why is all the talk centered around Mizzou going to SEC. I worked in the UM system (not mizzou thank goodness) for several years and from everything I heard the Governor as well as boosters, etc would rather mizzou be in the Big 10. So what I don't get is why everyone thinks they are going I mean odds are the Big 12 at this point sticks around for probably 5-6 more years with the new Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights agreements at which point my guess the Big 10 will be calling again. So why jump to the SEC just to jump a few years later...thats a TCU move and why would the SEC want mizzou knowing they will likely bolt the second the Big 10 comes calling.

LogicMan 3 years, 8 months ago

"why would the SEC want mizzou knowing "

Because they know the Stars and Bars will be flying high again in MO, and the Big 10 will stay far away from that.

ltownatrain 3 years, 8 months ago

Well I guess if that happens then it paves KU's way as hopefully the last AAU institution available to make its way to the Big 10 when the Big Texas conference finally is done under like JR in Dallas.

rob4lb 3 years, 8 months ago

It's all about stability and money and a "bird in the hand'. The SEC is one of the three big boy conferences. They pay more money, they share revenues and no one has ever tried to leave. The cultural fit may not be best, but Missouri borders three states with four members. The academics are not as bad as every says- Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt and now A&M are superior academic schools to MU (or KU).

There is no guarantee that the Big 10 will ever expand. They really don't need to. MU probably can't generate an additional $25-30M/year.

So if you have a choice between the dysfunction of the Big 12 and having to bow down to UT or the stability of the SEC where everyone is equal and so happy that no one has ever threatened to leave, what do you pick?

So, the competition for football will be more intense and maybe you don't win as many games, but there is no reason that MU can't be at least a good as Arkansas. They regularly go to bowl games and last year played in a BCS bowl.

ltownatrain 3 years, 8 months ago

The Big 10 will expand eventually because this re-alignment is very much an arms race and while they will be successful for a while if the Pac 12, SEC and ACC all go to 16 then the Big 10 will have to follow suit at some point to keep up which, is why it would be interesting if mizzou went to sec.

FlintHawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Check out Clay Travis' tweets today re "Big 12 lies" and encouraging Tiger fans to fight to get in the SEC. Wow.....

@ClayTravisBGID

David Atchley 3 years, 8 months ago

What exactly is considered "equality" and "fair" to the other schools in the Big 12? That Texas should "share" their $300M agreement with ESPN? That for the sake of the "Conference" they should walk-away from a $300M agreement? For either one of those to happen in another lifetime, much less this one....what would the other schools have to contribute or "relinquish" or forfeit to make it a "fair" and "equal" compensation?

Again, OU continues to pursue an exclusive network. They learned a very difficult lesson this week their cache' was tied to UT, and combined with Oklahoma State, wasn't remotely attractive to UCLA, or Stanford, or Cal. After that experience, should more revenue weight be given to UT in the Conference, as they seem to be the pick of the litter.

Tier 1&2 rights are where the majority of games of significance appear each week. The only reason the Longhorn Network is being able to televise the Kansas game is both Tier 1 and Tier 2 networks "passed" on wanting to televise that game. The second game to appear on LHN came down to...Kansas State or Kansas, and the Kansas game was the less desirable to either tier to broadcast.

AlecRaenos 3 years, 8 months ago

Ugh.

You are correct. Texas doesn't have to share their LHN.

They can take it and be all by themselves.

THe simple fact is, NO OTHER CONFERENCE WILL ACCEPT THEIR LONGHORN NETWORK SO WHY SHOULD THE BIG 12? Because Texas is King? Eff Texas. Dissolve this stupid ass conference and reform it without Texas. Let them go Indy, thats what they WILL be doing as soon as they are ready.

I dont care what Dodds says. Everything points to Texas wanting to go it alone. So effing let them pricks.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 8 months ago

And without Texas our Tier 1 and Tier 2 revenue will go from $28MM to about $10MM.

Think of this, the MWC is at about $2-3MM and the Big East is at abou $7MM.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm stunned at how many KU fans here are taking that "well, you can't really blame them!" attitude as it relates to Missouri.

Think about it--Missouri has pretended to be a good team player this entire time, working towards the repair and continuation of the Big 12. Right up until the Big 12 looks as stable as it's looked in almost 2 years, at which point Missouri promptly takes a sh*t right in the middle of the floor.

I know Tigers are accustomed to defecating anywhere the mood strikes them, but this is just one more chapter in the book "Missourians are A**holes: An Autobiography" by N.C. Cure.

I know a lot of people want to give them the benefit of the doubt because, hey, they're just looking out for themselves, right? Unfortunately, at some point, if people don't put the "I gotta get mine" attitude aside, the whole concept of having a conference is flawed. You enter into a conference because there is a believe in shared benefits and gains from doing so. There is an inherent implication that you have some concern for your fellow conference mates, and any schools/officials who don't see/understand that aren't smart enough to hold the positions they hold. The Big 12 is successful because it's the Big 12. Sure, most of the schools could leave and be successful individually and watch their conference be successful in another league, but there is a key idea missing from the brains of almost everyone involved in the decision making for this mess: partnership.

At this point, Missouri doesn't need to make doe-eyes at the SEC for leverage. Matt is spot on when he says that Missouri is doing this to feel like the "big dog" for a day. The fact that this is coming from a man who has supposedly been leading the Big 12 makes it that much more off-putting to me.

One thing that has come out of all this is that EVERY TEAM EXCEPT TEXAS seems to be on the same page as it relates to revenue sharing, etc... Vote their a**es down 8-1 and have that be that. We also know from this whole soap opera that, as bad as Texas wants to keep the LHN revenue, the only option/leverage they have to do so is going independent, and I think most people agree that Texas doesn't want to do that.

I know we all want KU to end up in a good spot, but the best spot for them is here, in the Midwest, in a midwestern league that is hopefully still tied to the BCS. The best way to do that is with the Big 12. For KU to act like a teenage girl--the way almost every other school in the conference has done thus far--wouldn't help anything. It would just make KU look like the bunch of greedy a-holes that we apparently share a conference with. I have no issues with feeling out possible options, should the rest of the greedy a-holes destroy the conference. But I do not want our leaders out there acting like highschoolers at lunch trying to get a seat at the "popular" table.

(to be continued...)

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

If MU really wants to go to the SEC, good f** riddance. It's really too bad that we share a conference with so many people for whom the only driving thought is bottom-line. Especially in an industry that purports to be non-profit and enjoys tax-exempt status.

Simply disgusting. I am about as disinterested in college athletics as I have ever been. Unfortunately, I was born with KU basketball fandom in my DNA, so I don't know if I can ever stop following that. But the rest of it... as a fan I feel like I'm a giant sucker who's only purpose is to line the pockets and massage the egos of the high-ranking decision makers at these institutions that are supposed to be here for higher learning.

By the way--I personally think the schools being so upset about Texas not wanting to share it's PERSONALLY BRANDED NETWORK is absolutely ridiculous. While some of the viability of that network comes from the existence of the Big 12, the vast majority of that network's success will be from Texas' school brand, not the other schools. I don't really understand the outrage at Texas wanting to cash in on the fact that it has a huge donor and alumni base, other than sour grapes from the schools that don't have that capability themselves. Texas will never be on a truly "level" playing field with schools that have less resources, so the attempt to strongarm them into sharing revenue that they generate in the interest of "fair" is absurd.

If you think about it, it's similar to if the other schools demanded that Texas share revenue from its ticket sales.

Or putting it another way--what if KU was able to strike some sort of deal with ESPN for a "Origins of Basketball Network"? Suspend disbelief for a moment, as we all know there is not enough content to fill a 24-hour network, but bear with me: We sign a contract with ESPN over 10 years for this OBN, and the rest of the Big 12 schools, seeing this extra source of cashflow, demand a cut. Do we, as KU fans, really think that would be fair? For KU to gain a new revenue source that is based predominantly on KU Basketball's national brand, and then to have the other schools, who have had almost NO part in creating said brand, demand a cut? I feel like that's fairly analogous to what is being demanded of Texas here. Once Texas backed down and agreed to equal sharing of Tier 1 and 2 rights, the league should have let this issue go.

Greed permeates college athletics, right down to the core.

Steve Brown 3 years, 8 months ago

Mustle says:Texas has agreed to relinquish its Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights for the next 6 years, meaning "if" they elect to go elsewhere, their games can still be aired by the Big 12 Conference. and all rights to those tiered games.

I hope you are correct, my fear is that if/when UT leaves to become independant ABC.FOX.B12 will not elect to make their game against Purdue or LSU the Big 12 game of the week, leaving them the LHN and 100% of the split.

I would sign the loyalty oath only after all the shared revenue issues are resolved and leave an out clause that if new discrimination issues arise, we may exit sans fees.

Steve Brown 3 years, 8 months ago

MarchPhog says: While some of the viability of that network comes from the existence of the Big 12, the vast majority of that network's success will be from Texas' school brand, not the other schools. I don't really understand the outrage at Texas wanting to cash in on the fact that it has a huge donor and alumni base, other than sour grapes from the schools that don't have that capability themselves.

Perhaps. So it seems you prefer the NY Yankee model, keep all your media money over the NFL or Dallas Cowboys & Green Bay Packers having media revenue splits. I propose that baseball would be more competitivie if they had the NFL shared model, Why not allow NY Yankees to buy or purchase draft slots to carry it to the extreme. That is what we are allowing UT to do with LHN. Make the conference even less compeitive.

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

That's an incredibly reductionist (and incorrect) take on what I said. I'm not arguing that equal revenue sharing is a bad thing. I'm arguing that a school-specific network doesn't really seem to fit the definition of a 'common' asset of the Big 12.

And here's the thing--your use of pro sports leagues really doesn't even apply. Unlike in a pro sports league, where the amount of revenue you pull in has a direct relationship to the quality of your team (by way of player salaries), in amateur athletics, the relationship between on-field results and school revenue is much weaker, on account of the fact that student athletes aren't paid. After all, KU's athletic department is 3rd in the entire Big 12 in terms of revenue, behind Oklahoma and Texas, yet that hasn't translated into a "more competitive" Jayhawk football team. Yes, theoretically the more revenue you bring in, the better your facilities, etc... but that relationship is diluted at best.

Whether you make Texas share the revenue from the LHN deal or not, they will still be Texas. They will still have the enormous alumni base that makes the LHN an attractive deal to ESPN in the first place. They will still have the same kinds of advantages that Kansas enjoys in basketball. TV revenue is a red herring as it relates to competitive balance in college athletics.

Lastly--there is a difference between allowing an individual brand (be it school or pro organization) to keep the revenues it generates on it's own private network and allowing them to simply purchase the rights to tools meant to create competitive balance (like draft slots). Your comment about allowing the Yankees to purchase draft picks is a strawman.

If completely equal revenue sharing makes conferences more competitive, then why do the Pac 12 and B1G still have schools that are ALWAYS contenders and schools that are ALWAYS also-rans? Equal revenue sharing hasn't really done anything to make those conferences "competitive" (whatever that means).

Steve Brown 3 years, 8 months ago

thank you, I enjoyed getting your take. good points.

BewareOfThePhogOnTheWater 3 years, 8 months ago

First, Matt, thank you for your hard work on this issue. Second, everyone needs to remember that there is no one less trustworthy or honest than the folks at MU. Must be all the meth in the air, but never make the mistake of believing what they say. Always proceed with caution.

trey 3 years, 8 months ago

Folks there seems to be a lot of confusion about the TV contracts, how they work today, and what the Big12 schools want to change to create long-term stability. Following is how I understand it; if not right, Matt or someone correct...

The current Big12 Tier1 contract is with ESPN and pays 60M per year thru 2016. The Big12 pays out 1/2 of this revenue equally (3M per school), and the other 1/2 is paid out based on the number of Tier1 appearences a school makes. The other conferences pay all of their Tier1 contract out evently, regardless of appearances.

The current Big12 Tier2 contract is with FOX and pays $90M per year thru 2025 (this was just signed in the last year). The Big12 already pays this out evenly to each school (9M per school).

The Tier3 contracts are all negotiated by each school. Texas LHN pays our 15M per year. I believe that KU makes approx. 8M per year on our Jayhawk NW (which is 2nd highest in the league to Texas). I believe MU gets approx. 4M per year on their Tier3 contract.

So here's the deal... If the Big12 changes the rules to pay out all of the Tier1 & 2 contract evently (already do on the Tier2), each school gets 15M per year. That compares to 17M per year in the SEC, and 18M per year in the B1G, and 21M per year in the PAC. However the SEC's and PAC's contract runs thru 2024, while the Big12 and B1G's Tier1 expire in 2016.

There's a belief that the Big12 and B1G contracts will triple when re-upped in 2016. If so that would mean that the Tier1 & 2 payouts starting in 2016 would stack up as follows...

B1G - 34M per year, per school Big12 - 27M per year, per school PAC - 21M per year per school (expires 2024) SEC - 17M per year per school (expired 2024) ACC - 13M per year per school (expires 2023)

However the B1G numbers include the BTN, which might also include Tier3 (so may not be apples-apples).

The "give" on sharing the Tier1 revenues evenly is probably doable. Though in the past I believe that Texas, OU and yes... KU have not voted for it. Remember, Tier 1 & 2 are for nationally televised football AND basketball games. KU is on Big Monday a lot.

You have to wonder if KU has been part of the problem, in-bed with Texas?

rob4lb 3 years, 8 months ago

We are not part of the problem. We are irrelevant. People don't seem to understand that. The basketball contract pales in comparison to the football contract so maybe KU gets an extra $1M. They make that up easily by sharing the football money. During the last yrs of Mangino, KU actually got more than the average of the TV money, but that has definitely reserved in the last two years.

What all of this says is that there is no trust amongst the conference teams. I guess I'm a bit cynical. Nothing has really changed. A&M, NU and CU successfully escaped from the prison. OU tried and they have been recaptured so it's very awkward. MU sees a chance to make a break and can't decide what to do. KU, K-State and I-State are compliant prisoners

Sam Constance 3 years, 8 months ago

It also shows how many KU fans comment without any kind of knowledge whatsoever.

So many KU fans have spent their time decrying Texas for essentially wanting to keep it's revenue from it's own network, ignoring all the while that KU also has it's own personal network (though not as lucrative as the LHN).

This solution should be simple.

Share Tier 1 evenly Share Tier 2 evenly Allow schools to control their own Tier 3 rights, with no restrictions on any schools creating their own individual networks in the future. In other words, all schools are free to go out an negotiate with whatever media companies they want for the rights to their own personally-branded network.

I don't understand why so many people have an issue with schools keeping the revenue from their own individually-branded networks. That seems ridiculous to me.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 8 months ago

All true, but actually it was 56% was shared, it was voted to be increased I think to 78% over the summer. Now they want it to be even.

KU will always do well in Tier III because Football, about half of our games end up in Tier 3 (if not more).

In Basketball there are a lot more games and national interest doesn't always make it up there, so KU gets some Tier III games in there as well.

Ultimately KU comes out ahead by not sharing Tier III overall. As mentioned we have the second best Tier III contract in the Big 12 and it probably ranks up there overall.

David Atchley 3 years, 8 months ago

Apparently the 3 networks (ABC/ESPN/FOX) are all comfortable with TCU replacing TAMU should that officially happen....

Tony Bandle 3 years, 8 months ago

My prediction...exactly two years from now, on this date, Sept. 23, 2013 the Big 12 will be something none of us anticipated.

Stay tuned.

Bill Keebler 3 years, 8 months ago

Here is a comment to stir the pot a little with regard to MU. A caller about 30 minutes ago on 810 radio claims to have 2 very good sources that state by 5:00 PM Monday MU will be headed to the Big 10.

STL_Jayhawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Matt,

I applaud MU (wow, that was hard to type) for not being all giddy and stating they are committed to a conference for the long-term when all the specifics have not been worked out yet.

Maybe I am wrong, but, this time around, did any school official for MU actually ever state that they had received an official offer to join the SEC? It was leaked that MU had an agreement with the SEC in case the Big 12 fell apart and who can blame them for that. It may be just word play, but having a contingent agreement (even if it is just an oral confirmation of the desires of both parties) is different than having an official binding invite from the SEC whether or not it is contingent on the Big 12 falling apart.

After the leak of the story, if I recall correctly, all the SEC denied was that MU had received an offer to join the conference (again word play denying an official invite but not denying having discussions with MU). As mad as the SEC was for the leak, the Birmingham paper published a story that same day confirming that Auburn (quoting school officials) had already agreed to switch to the East division if MU joins the conference. Does it make sense that the SEC would have asked Auburn if they would switch divisions if the conference wasn't in the process of discussing the possibility with MU?

Also, can you touch on what has been officially agreed upon by the 9 schools and what is still up for negotiations? For several of the schools, the Big 12 receiving a commitment from the Chancellor is obviously not official until the BOR signs off on the contracts. I don't understand how so many Chancellors would be excited about reporting back to their BOR that the LHN revenue will not be divided. They should be concerned that some of the BOR members might push back and want to have more negotiations. In the meantime, anything could happen as a result of the negotiations. To me, MU is the only one that is smart enough to recognize that there is a lot of work left to do. Doesn't it seem like the other schools have all the leverage of someone that walked into a car dealership and said "I'm committed to buying this car, now let's talk specifics"?

STL_Jayhawk 3 years, 8 months ago

Mustlehustle (obviously a UT fan) keeps posting on every f'ing blog how superior UT is and why they deserve to keep their money (so they can teach their students how to spell "muscle" apparently). He has the big picture intellect (sarcasm font) to ask what the other members have to forfeit in order for UT to share this revenue. Well I like to think of it a different way. Given the success of the B1G network, suppose the SEC, ACC and the PAC 12 all sign lucrative contracts in the next year to start their own conference networks on ESPN or FOX. Does anyone think any of these networks is going to want to create a Big 12 network that has to compete with the LHN? What do we have to relinquish? How about the fact that the other members are forfeiting the ability to ever collect on a lucrative conference network? If the Big 12 becomes stable and strengthens our appeal through athletic successes, the LHN contract will grow in value when it is renewed an the other members will continue to see UT have an unfair advantage.

I think we are far from this thing being over. And if the LHN revenues are not being split, then KU needs to start the process of expanding the stadium now so we are in a better position in 6 years (if it lasts that long).

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 8 months ago

I think this wasn't even worth my time reading. I haven't heard such a stupid comment in a while, besides the one where someone wanted to add Wichita State to the Conference... Hopefully that wasn't you.

Do you really think that the Big XII is falling apart because Midwesterners have Self Esteem issues?

I've heard it all now.

lothario64118 3 years, 8 months ago

MATT-

Would you be able to clarify something for all of us on the 6 year deal the B12 plans on. I had read the the "even-share" payments to schools will be gradual. Exactly how long are we talking before it's equal? Gradual could take 5 years, only laving 1 year of actual "equal share" payouts. Then there will strife again. It's as if none of the lower schools learned anything from what just happened.

Missouri is gone folks.

rob4lb 3 years, 8 months ago

The addition of TCU is an act of desperation by the Big 12. They add no value to conference in terms or fans or a large stadium. It is a very bad deal for KU because you add another school in Texas to compete for recruits. KU will never get the recruits that UT, OU or even A&M go after, but they do compete with schools like Baylor and Houston and TCU. If TCU is in the same conference, they can just as easily say, come to TCU and you get to play UT and Baylor and Tech every year.

DallasJayhawk1 3 years, 8 months ago

TCU probably wouldn't happen anyways. The Big East has already stated that, even though TCU doesn't officially start play in the Big East until next season, they plan to do the same type Baylor legal action from keeping TCU from leaving.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 8 months ago

It is always interesting to read some of the old blogs:

Here is the one when the new Fox deal was signed in April 2011: http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/ap... You got to think that Alp had some good comments back then.

Prior to this year the Big Xii revenues were shared at 57%, this year they actually voted to raise it to 76%. I've stated this, maybe off a percentage, but here is the link.

Just some information.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 8 months ago

Another one of my favorites, the one where Beebe says great things about Zenger. Read the comments, aren't these the same comments we have been writing for about a month here.

David Atchley 3 years, 8 months ago

Has Vegas started odds on "who" might be the "permanent" Big 12 Commissioner....some names to post on the board;

  1. Bobby Knight (no bull and was a champion of academics for his players,
  2. Bill Parcells (try pushing him around)
  3. Robert Gates (may need a new gig (no pun intended) after the next election...may be influential in keeping the male cheerleaders at College Station in the Conference)
  4. Carl Peterson (ex President of the Kansas City Chiefs)
  5. Mike Leach (he's an attorney, a former football coach, needs a job and would be a further pain in the ass for ESPN

What? Too soon?

142466 3 years, 8 months ago

Everybody I've talked to, provided they've seriously thought about it, has Leach as the front runner. Leach knows college football, inside and out.

It's also imperative that the new commissioneer hit the ground running and reign in several of the league's most recalcitrant members. Informed Texas sources report that, although sometimes Leach is not properly appreciated, he is, without a doubt, a great straighten-em-outer. Most importantly, at odds of 1 : 2.15, Vegas currently ranks him as the person most likely to accept the job, if offered.

jaybate 3 years, 8 months ago

"Super Corridor and Super Conference"

Chuck Neinas has rapport with the old Big Eight Schools because he was Big Eight commish, replacing Wayne Duke, who left for the Big Ten.

Neinas has rapport with Texas because of helping set up the CFA, that began the two tier world of D1 college football based on differing levels of TV earning among the haves and have nots, that lead to the BCS play off system.

Neinas has also brokered a lot of sports on TV and has pedaled pro franchises.

He gets the job of structuring a haves and have nots system for the Big 12 that hopefully will give the Big 12 an edge in attracting teams to the Big 12. In this way, Neinas will play take what they give us. He will try to turn the disadvantage of Texas asymmetric benefits in the advantage of a super conference structured entirely around benefit asymmetry.

The Neinas model will run contrary to the direction the ACC, Big Ten and Pac 12 have flourished with. It success will depend on its ability to cherry pick some marquis teams out of other conferences that view themselves as haves not being treated as haves.

Its how Bill Self would go about it, if he were Conference Commish.

It might work.

But it has to attract at least three schools back to a true Big 12, and preferably seven to take it to a Big 16.

If Syracuse and Pitt had not jumped from the Big East, this model would almost certainly have worked with a Big East merger.

So how does the Big 12 expand?

Let's step back and look at the Big 12 as a Super Corridor conference, i.e., as a coalition of major universities in states crucial to the eventual expansion of the Super Corridor to where it was originally intended to go.

It was originally intended to branch straight north to Winnipeg, and also to the north east, probably to Jersey, or Phillie.

jaybate 3 years, 8 months ago

Going to Winnipeg is going to be very difficult without Nebraska, but the west branch of the Super Corridor could be re-routed through the tar sands pipeline right of way, if it can be imposed on a hostile Nebraska, thence Northward through the Dakotas thence through Canada to Winnipeg.

So: add the Dakota schools as have nots. Maybe even entice Nebraska back with a fabulously lucrative asymmetric cut, but probably not. More likely they'll just brute force the tar sands pipeline right of way through Nebraska with legal muscle and pork and NU stays in the Big Ten...but you never say never to infrastructure like the Super Corridor, if you're Nebraska and Warren Buffett.

Now, what about the northeast corridor. What universities and states would you want to attract to punch the Super Corridor up to say, Phillie, or Jersey?

Your best bet would be snake it up the Ohio River valley on the border states side of the Ohio. That would mean through Kentucky and West Virginia, and through Maryland to New Jersey.

Kentucky would jump the SEC in a second to escape football hell there and to get into an asymmetric revenue sharing program for UK basketball. Louisville might be grabbed also.

West Virginia would either join up with the rest of the Big East, or alone, for the same asymmetric revenue sharing. Let's keep it simple and say Neinas cherry picks just WVU, not the rest of the Big East, though landing UConn and Rutgers could greatly smooth politics in the region.

Maryland is in the ACC, so on the surface it seems a tough get. But Maryland has already expressed an interest in leaving the ACC to join the Big Ten for better money, better football, and perhaps to reconnect with northern culture. With an asymmetric revenue sharing deal, and the benefits of the Super Corridor feeding Maryland, it is conceivable that Maryland could be cherry picked.

jaybate 3 years, 8 months ago

Add Rutgers in New Jersey and the northeast branch of the Super Corridor would be locked in.

Now, count it up: North Dakota, South Dakota, Kentucky, Louisville, West Virginia, Maryland, and New Jersey; that's seven teams; that makes the current Big Nine into a Big 16 team.

And if adding the Dakota team is rendered unnecessary by being able to leverage the west branch of the Tar Sands pipeline right away without enlisting the state universities in those thinly populated states, then the conference could instead cheery pick two more desirable teams in their places.

How married is Penn State to the Big Ten really? Could the Mellons with a long standing, big time influence in Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma and West Virginia be enticed to bring Pennsylvannia schools into the fold to really lock down this northeast branch of the Super Corridor. How about adding Penn State and Pitt, even though Pitt just jumped to the ACC.

This Big 16 would be perhaps the most stable super conference imaginable. It would be underpinned by the political economy of the most dominant North American infrastructure of the 21st Century. It would span East and Midwest time zones. In football, it would have Penn State, Pitt, Texas and OU. In basketball, it would be absolutely phenomenal: KU, Kentucky,Texas, Maryland, WVU, and Louisville.

The other route to go would be to add two religious schools, i.e., Notre Dame and BYU, instead of the Pennsylvannia schools This would capitalize on their national followings individual TV networks that make an asymmetric revenue sharing system very attractive.

This dog would hunt, too.

But I have a hunch the Mellons, probably in alliance with the Crown of Great Britain, would like to get back in the thick of things here in America with a Super Corridor as specified, and a Super Conference, too.

All aboard!

142466 3 years, 8 months ago

Interesting. U of S.D. could probably be persuaded. U. of N.D. is more problematic because the B12 doesn't play hockey, men's anyway. So let's be realistic. The Fighting Sioux would probably view the B12 as a downgrade. I know, they should step back and look at the bigger picture. Unfortunately, though, there are some colleges, and even some universities, that excell at one of the two (the Fighting Sioux, would say, "3") major sports and neglect the others.

As for S.D. State and N.D. State, forget it. You've overlooked one crucial fact. It is football that is generating all these realignment machinations. Both S.D. State and N.D. State still play 8 man ball. For the forseeable future, they're both automatically disqualified.

jaybate 3 years, 8 months ago

142466999hike,

Dad blamed if you ain't right about right about them Dakota schools.

But wouldn't a little extra pork from DC, heck maybe from the Plunge Protection Team itself, wouldn't that bring those piss ant Dakota schools up to being as good as Iowa State in no time at all?

But even if it wouldn't, well, ewe gotta admit ah got the northeast stem of the corridor locked down.

Stem that baby "under" the Mississippi then jest go uh stinkin' and uh gittin' across Kaintuck, West Virginie, through Norwest Maryland and, pow! The boids choip in poik in Joisy. Who needs the stinking overhead of the Big Muddy and and Big Easy? Who needs the overhead of the St. Lawrence Seaway and all those pinch points gettin' from one Great Lake to the next?

Whodda thunk it?

That toaster made in China just shows up right easy like in South Jersey where Big Vinny can pick it up in a truck and take it straight to Queens. No Panama Canal. No river locks. No maintaining' no dikes. No fighting floods. No havein' to watch out for sailing through the Carribean during hurricane season.

I reckon Texas football could wait just a couple of years for that, no matter what kinda nickels and dimes UT hopes to make out of its own network.

And, again, if'n we don't need the Dakota schools for porkin' that western stem up to Gordo Lightfoot country, well, Penn State and Pitt will do just fine, if the Mellon's and the Crown are feelin' froggy, right?

And if they ain't, wayel, then sweeten' the sunrise with BYU and them Fightin' Irish.

Yeeeee haw!

Cuttin' through the talkin' head superficialities sure is fun, sometimes, even if'n ah is plum wrong.

And besides you gotta follow the real money, not them football nickels and dimes.

There's only one thing wrong with ol' Deep Throat saying, "Follow the money."

What he shoulda said was: "Follow the big !@#$%in' money."

Texas football revenues ain't diddly squat compared to revenues from punching the Super Corridor all the way through.

Whah the Mississippi/Missouri River systems probably generate more money and power in a minute than Texas football does.

Follow the big money!

And have a nice day, 142466999hike.

Steve Williams 3 years, 8 months ago

did jay just suggest " the dakota schools" do you mean the UND Bison, of Division 2, and the SDSU Jackrabbits,, recently escaped from D2. Good markets there.. that might be the dumbest thoughts ever transcribed. Nebraska is not coming back if they made tom Osborne was the new commish, and Touchdown Jesus would come right off the wall and take it 80 to the house before ND even batted an eye this way. The only way the little 12 sticks is

with missouri- add BYU, TCU, Louisville and/or West Virginia WIthout Mizzery- add BYU , TCU, LOuisville, West VIrginia or your choice of Houston ( Market) Boise State, Air Force

franklin2739 3 years, 8 months ago

Better idea, lets take University of Nebraska Kearney just to stick it to NE. Give university of Nebraska Lincoln some in state competition. While this would be funny, it is not stupid as taking the Dakota schools.

CloveK 3 years, 8 months ago

Just curious, with Beebe out, what happens to the associate commissioners and other staff? There are about a dozen people or so who had Beebe as a direct boss.

Will be interesting to see how much overall turnover there is or if the majority will keep their positions.

HaysJHawk 3 years, 8 months ago

two quick thoughts just off the top of my head. Big 12 network over the internet showing conference games of the none revenue sports and games not available to the tier 1-3 networks available now. It may not be a ton of content but the overhead is low and if you can get ESPN 3 to do it then your in good shape. Has anyone thought of New Mexico as a good match geographically and as a growing market for the Big 12? It seems to fit overall. It may not be sexy at first thought but a good market with a decent basketball team and a football team with tons of room to grow seem appealing to me at least at this point....

blindrabbit 3 years, 8 months ago

Hays: I've plugged the University of New Mexico several times on this realignment story. I've been on campus in Albuquerque several times and have attended a football game there. The school population is somewhat like that at Colorado. New Mexico State at Las Cruces is a different situation, and not worthy of consideration at this time. I think the conference needs to look West and give-up on trying to add the likes of Cincy, Louisville and particularly WVU. I'd push for consideration of the following: TCU, SMU, Rice, Houston, Boise, BYU, Air Force and New Mexico.

142466 3 years, 8 months ago

To your list of 8 Texas & Mountain schools add the following four members: Baylor, Colo State, KSU, and ISU. That then gives you 12, enough for a football conference championship game. And, maybe, 10 years from now, the NCAA might force the 4 Super Conferences to somehow factor this "Big XII" Conference" into the football post-season tournament.

I really am not trying to play Wisenheimer. I really think there's about a 55% chance that within three years this is pretty much what the legal entity known as the "Big XII" will look like.

142466 3 years, 8 months ago

Uh-o. I forgot. I guess there's another current Big 12 member that could be substituted for ISU. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

Angus0199 3 years, 8 months ago

Geography needs to be considered, for fans and non-revenue producing sports. Best case scenerios would be adding BYU & AFA due to the National market. ND is a no-brainer, but pipe dream. Next options are TCU and Houston due to location, Rice and SMU due to location and AAU-but w/much less market. Boise St. if we need one more team.

One more thing. Lets put 3rd tier sharing and no single team network and if UT doesn't sign on, then they can go indy. F' em.

mattiesdad 3 years, 8 months ago

Matt...any news on the presser from Neinas..nothing from the Star either, but that's not all that surprising.

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