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Realignment Today: 11:06 p.m. - Sources, reports indicate Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe on way out

11:06 p.m. Update:

Tonight was my wife's birthday and I tried to stay away from the blog for a night but it didn't work. Something had to happen.

According a report from Mike DeArmond, who covers Missouri, Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is planning an exit from his post.

ESPN.com also is reporting the news, and had this from Andy Katz:

Beebe was one of five BCS commissioners absent from the Collegiate Commissioner Association meetings in Chicago on Wednesday, a source told ESPN.com's Andy Katz. The only BCS conference commissioner in attendance was Jim Delany of the Big Ten — the only BCS conference not dealing with expansion.

Earlier today, Big 12 sources indicated to me that Beebe would likely leave.

“I sense that he’s gonna be the scapegoat," one source said.

This, surely is not major news, though the fact that it's happening so quickly may come as some surprise.

Less than 24 hours ago, Beebe was the leader of a Big 12 Conference that was fighting for its life. Tonight, the conference looks very much alive but Beebe's time as its leader appears to be finished.

Check back tomorrow for much more on the Beebe story. I'll be on it bright and early.

As for the birthday, we had a great dinner with great friends.

More tomorrow. Stay tuned...

4:22 p.m. Update:

This just in from the Journal-World's Scott Rothschild in Topeka.

Kansas higher education officials Wednesday said they were happy that the Big 12 was staying somewhat intact for now.

"We're glad the Big 12 is staying together and that KU and K-State stay together," said Board of Regents Chairman Ed McKechnie.

Texas A&M is leaving for the Southeastern Conference, which led to weeks of speculation that Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State were going to join the Pac-12.

But the Pac-12 announced late Tuesday it would stay at 12 members.

As rumors swirled about the potential demise of the Big 12, speculation exploded about which conference Kansas University and Kansas State would join.

Gov. Sam Brownback, McKechnie and university officials all publicly stated they wanted the remaining Big 12 schools to stay together, and for KU and KSU to stay together in the league.

And that's how it has turned out, at least for the near term. "That is ideal for us," said KU Chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little.

She said staying in the Big 12 was important. Being in a less prominent league may have reduced KU's visibility in the eyes of some potential students, she said.

Resolution of the issue, McKechnie said, "lets us focus back on academics. I feel better today than I have in five weeks."

The regents were scheduled to go into a closed session to review the contracts that KU and KSU has with the Big 12.

"We just want to see where we're going," McKechnie said.

In Austin, Texas officials said they were open to a new revenue-sharing model in the Big 12. In April, the Big 12 agreed to a 13-year TV deal with Fox Sports worth more than $1 billion. Texas gets a larger share of revenue from TV contracts than some Big 12 members. Texas, however, said revenue-sharing offers don't include the Longhorn Network, which Texas launched several weeks ago with ESPN.

Libby Johnson, president of the KU student body, said the developments concerning the Big 12 have been a major topic of discussion.

"The student body is definitely concerned about it and paying attention," Johnson said.

Johnson said she hoped KU stayed in the Big 12. "The Big 12 has served KU students well," she said.

Stay tuned...

3:53 p.m. Update:

While we're talking about Missouri... Here's something I stumbled across that made me laugh. Don't take it too serious. Just a bit of comic relief.

By the way, the more people I talk to today the more I'm sensing that Mizzou is all-in on the Big 12, just as I've been told all along.

http://www.sportspickle.com/opinion/8071/application-for-sec-membership

Stay tuned...

3:31 p.m. Update:

Talk continues to move forward about replacing Big 12 commissioner with an interim commissioner, for now, and someone who could move the conference forward in a united manner.

One name that keeps popping up is Chuck Neinas, a former Big Eight commissioner, who served from 1971-80.

Here are the highlights of Neinas' qualifications:

• Negotiated television contracts and administered a television plan on behalf of the CFA members from 1984 through 1995 that included ABC, CBS, NBC and ESPN.

• Assumed responsibility for promoting CFA sponsored NCAA legislation that included the improvement of academic standards, the development of the continuing eligibility rule requiring progress toward a degree, establishment of more reasonable and enforceable NCAA rules including the recruiting calendar and elimination of the alumni and boosters from the recruiting process.

• As assistant executive director of the NCAA from 1961 to 1971, Neinas served as secretary to the NCAA Council (the policy making board of the organization) and Executive Committee (responsible for financial and business affairs). He was supervisor of NCAA Championships including direct responsibility for the National Collegiate Basketball Championship and College World Series, and served as NCAA Congressional liaison.

• Also has experience with the U.S. Olympic Committee as well as experience working with the NBA's Denver Nuggets and NHL's Colorado Avalanche.

For a full look at his bio, along with a link to his actual resume. They'll search this out but Neinas sounds as good as anybody.

http://www.neinassports.com/bio.html

Stay tuned... Gathering more on where Missouri stands right now...

2:47 p.m. Update:

Realignment aftermath still ongoing... But for those who may have missed it, Wichita Heights standout Perry Ellis has committed to Kansas to play basketball.

Great pick-up for the Jayhawks.

Stay tuned...

12:28 p.m. Update:

Texas AD DeLoss Dodds spoke a few minutes ago regarding the Big 12's survival, its future and the idea that Texas will have to concede some power if things are going to work out.

Here are some of the highlights of what he had to say:

• Dodds on Big 12: "I'm relieved. Bottom line, it's the right thing to do for our kids. We want to get stability quickly."

• Dodds on Conference Realignment 2011: "Ten years from now, people are going to look back at this and say that wasn't that big of a deal."

• Dodds on sharing LHN/TV revenue: Says B12 will share first and second tier TV rights equally but sharing third-tier (LHN) in non-negotiable.

--- on a side note, OU is demanding via the contract with ESPN, that there be assurances made that no one leaves the Big 12 for at least six years ---

• Dodds on UT's image: "We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We're proud of ourselves."

Stay tuned...

11:16 a.m. Update:

Been scrolling through the comments and various other web sites this morning and it seems like there are some common questions that everyone following this thing wants answered now that we're on to the next stage.

The following links are an attempt to answer some of those.

What's next for OU, now that the Pac-12 is off the table and the demands have been made? Berry Tramel, of the Daily Oklahoman and the OU student paper attempt to address that...

http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2011/09/21/big-12-football-will-ou-look-foolish-or-stately/

http://oudaily.com/news/2011/sep/21/column-pac-12s-cold-feet-puts-ou-hot-water/

Dan Wetzel, of Yahoo!, recaps that the Big 12 lives on for now.... http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_big_12_lives_to_play_092111

Jon Wilner, one of the people who has covered this thing the best from the Pac-12 perspective examines if the Pac-12 risked its future by not expanding now... http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2011/09/21/did-the-pac-12-risk-its-future-by-not-expanding/

And, finally, here's a good breakdown of some of the major questions that stretch from coast-to-coast... http://outkickthecoverage.com/the-big-12-makes-ron-and-sammi-look-stable.php

Stay tuned...

10:21 a.m. Update:

Care to hear what Pickens is saying about the Aggies? Here are a couple of Tweets that the Oklahoma State booster sent out this morning.

It's a great sign for the league that Pickens is supporting the Big 12 so strongly right now. Can only help as they move forward.

Aggies are a big part of #Big12. Truly hope they are not gone yet. Told them that, know they are listening, but not sure they are hearing

Must be equality & stability in #Big12. It's easy-don't have to explain "split" & "even." issue is equal split & everyone treated evenly

http://twitter.com/#!/boonepickens

Stay tuned...

10:04 a.m. Update:

By now, anyone reading this surely knows the nature of the events that unfolded late last night, as the Pac-12 announced that it would not be expanding at this time and people throughout Big 12 country breathed a huge sigh of relief.

As the news broke, various reports started to fill the Internet regarding what's next for the Big 12 and conference realignment.

We are to that point. But the Big 12 still has a bunch of pieces to put back together before we can move firmly into the next stage.

Phone calls to various Big 12 sources this morning revealed the same message: We can breathe a little bit here. But we're not going to breathe too much because there's still work to be done.

First, there's this report from BYU's Rivals.com site that indicates that the Cougars are a serious contender to join the Big 12, should the league look to expand.

http://byu.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1268216

While there may be some truth in here, my sources are telling me that there's still a lot that the surviving Big 12 needs to fix and focus on before it can worry about expansion. That said, casual talks have been ongoing — or at least had been until the last two weeks when everyone flipped the switch into survival mode — about which schools would be good fits and which would not.

A couple of quick nuggets from various reports around the Big 12...

• Chip Brown of Orangebloods.com is reporting that if the Big 12 stays together, Baylor will waive its right to legal action against Texas A&M and let the Aggies go to the SEC peacefully.

• Reports out of Oklahoma indicated late last night that OU president David Boren told reporters that OU had decided against applying to the Pac-12 anyway and was poised for a return to the Big 12. While many are skeptical, it's entirely possible that, seeing the writing on the wall, Boren had decided that. Remember, the guy's a politician and if he would've been just a bit quicker with his announcement the news would've reflected more poorly on Larry Scott and the Pac-12 than OU. Instead, Scott beat him to the punch with the announcement. Smooth move.

• For those, who still care, here's a story from the Chicago Tribune about what Tuesday's news and this year's round of realignment means for Notre Dame. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-how-does-latest-realigment-news-affect-notre-dame-20110921,0,5790685.story

• Oklahoma State alum T. Boone Pickens continues to beat the drum for the idea of Texas A&M "sobering up" and returning to the Big 12. Not gonna happen. The Aggies are gone and, more importantly, the rest of the league is ready to let them go. Assuming they can settle things and redo the league's structure a little bit, finding a suitable replacement for A&M should not be that difficult. May not happen overnight, but will happen.

• You're wondering about Dan Beebe's spot in all this? Me too. Although nothing has been officially decided — in fact, talks have barely just begun — several Big 12 schools have informed Beebe that they want to see a change in leadership and sources have indicated to me that it looks like a change will be made. When? Who knows. But most likely sooner rather than later. In some ways, I wouldn't be surprised if Beebe stepped away on his own here. Being the leader of this conference has been nothing but a headache for the past two years. He's had his run, he'll be well compensated and, with his credentials, he'll be able to find another job in another conference rather easily. Won't be a commissioner, but, after all this, is that such a bad thing?

I'll stay on the news throughout the day and bring updates as they come. I'll also continue to work the phones to make sure that we're on top of the latest regarding the Big 12's future and what's next for Kansas.

Make no mistake, though... Last night was a huge night for KU, the Big 12 Conference and the thousands of us who are ready for this thing to end. I'll also keep posting various links to commentary and analysis through the eyes of the other schools, states and conferences who are involved in this thing.

Smile. But don't celebrate just yet.

Stay tuned...

As for those of you who are ready to turn your attention fully back to KU, the Kansas football team is on a bye this week so things should be pretty quiet there. But the KU basketball team will be waiting anxiously to see if Wichita prep star Perry Ellis will pick the Jayhawks at today's announcement.

Here's more on the Ellis situation. His announcement is supposed to come at 2:45 this afternoon. http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/se...

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Comments

Benjamin Piehler 2 years, 6 months ago

BYU to get to 10... Louisville & probably USF or TCU (if they can be convinced to switch) if we go back to 12.

IF we get crazy and feel like 14.... AFA and Cincy?

All of those, except TCU, would bring new TV markets and recruiting in some cases.

Avoid WVU and Boise, despite their football programs, the TV markets aren't great and their academics aren't great either.

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Hank Cross 2 years, 6 months ago

Happy Birthday to your wife, Matt! Hope the two of you had a chance to get away from this nonsense for a while.

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actorman 2 years, 6 months ago

Happy Birthday to your wife, Matt. She must be a saint to put up with all the time you have to give up to help keep us peons informed.

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FLJHK 2 years, 6 months ago

Expansion thoughts. BYU is a given. Not really my kind of place, but they are athletically and academically solid, and have a national identity and following. Should quickly be extended an invitation.

I’ve been an Air Force advocate for more than a year. I know it may not be an exciting choice as a school likely to make a big athletic splash, but they would bring some very desirable intangibles. Their athletics are better than many realize, and they are very solid academically. But mainly, they just bring a measure of dignity and stability to a conference in dire need of both qualities. I think AFA would be a unique, no-drama, welcome addition to the conference.

I’m fine with either USF or Louisville as a member. USF¸ for reasons articulated above is clearly a university on the rise. I love the basketball pedigree that Louisville would bring, and they are in reasonable proximity to much of the Big 12. I would choose our additional 3 members from these 4. Regarding the others that have been mentioned, my thoughts are as follows.

TCU/SMU: both solid schools, good academics and large endowments, so are somewhat acceptable. But we don’t need more Texas.

Colorado State: Worthy of consideration but probably not quite ready. New Mexico is similar. Both are in growth states and may be considered if the Big 12 expands beyond 12.

West Virgina: generally good athletics, poor academics, and really doesn’t bring much of a market and is too far away.

Boise State: No. Years away from consideration.

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texashawk10 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm sure your wife enjoyed seeing you for the first time in a couple of weeks Matt, FOE!

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Travis Clementsmith 2 years, 6 months ago

I think you just add BYU so the contract isn't voided and go on our merry way.

My own opinion, but I really don't give a rat's you know what about the LHN. People think it gives Texas a competitive advantage and makes them the NY Yankees of CFB. Texas has always had that and always will. It isn't the LHN that makes them richer than everyone else. They're the flagship university of the second most populous state in the union that treats football as a religion from birth.

The thing is, Texas can only take so many. They can't "legally" pay for their players, so they won't be the Yankees. They were going to get their pick of the top Texas recruits anyway.

Texas is arrogant. Like we didn't know that before the LHN. But OU dominates the football titles and KU dominates the basketball titles, so obviously arrogance and money don't equal NY Yankees dominance.

Now, I do believe the conference needs to identify come common conference goals to work together with. This prevailing idea that every school should be out for themselves is perpetrated by Texas, and Texas needs to take a leadership role as a partner, not as an overlord. But, I don't feel like the LHN factors into that at all. I think A&M came off as a whiny little sibling that stomped off.

We need common goals for the Big XII, we need to give the commish some actual power, and most of all, we need to start collecting on that contract and build up the football program. Until the football program reaches a Missouri status, it will be an albatross that makes us vulnerable if and when this stuff comes around again.

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kureader 2 years, 6 months ago

Hey, what's the deal, Tait?

Your last update was at 4:22 pm. It's now 10:22 pm That's 6 hours without an update! How am I supposed to know what's going on? Surely, you didn't take the evening off!

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FLJHK 2 years, 6 months ago

I just posted this above for those with an interest in USF as an expansion target.

USF is an interesting case. I live in Tampa and have a great friend who is a professor at USF.

It is a huge school although it has historically been a commuter school. But they are making a strong effort to increase on-campus housing and have been pretty successful. Tampa is the 13th largest television market in the country.

Academically it is not real highly ranked, but is decent and improving.

They have only had football for a dozen years or so, but have seen a meteoric rise in stature. They have had road wins in the past few years over Auburn, Florida State, and Miami, and this year won their opener at Notre Dame.

Neither the ACC or SEC is likely to invite them because they already have strong footprints in the State of Florida. Florida is extremely talent rich in football and would be fertile grounds for recruiting.

USF is not my first choice for Big 12 expansion simply because they don't fit the geographical identity of the conference which I prefer maintaining. But USF is very much an up-and-coming university, and if the Big 12 wants to expand is geographic footprint, USF is a legitimate target, and in my view a better one than a school like West Virginia.

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Vernon Riggs 2 years, 6 months ago

Ready for the Next Chapter of the Big12? The Big15.

Football Schools South-Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, OU, OSU, TCU North-K-State, Kansas, Mizzou, Iowa St, Louisville, Cincy Associate Member: Notre Dame

Each year, Notre Dame plays two games from the South, one is Texas every Friday after Thanksgiving in Cowboy Stadium in Dallas, one game per year rotating from the other South Teams in South Bend. Then each year Notre Dame plays two teams in the North, one rotating in Arrowhead in KC and Soldiers Field in Chicago with Mizzou, K-State or Kansas, one game with another North member in South Bend.

But Notre Dame keeps their Independence status in football. They are not full members of the conference and may maintain their NBC money and quarter share of the Big12 Tier One and Two money.

Teams play every team in their own division (5 games) and 3 games with teams in the other division, Notre Dame games counts as one of these 3 games.

Basketball Schools East-Notre Dame, Cincy, Louisville, Marquette, DePaul West-Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Mizzou, Texas Tech South-Texas, Baylor, TCU, OU, OSU

Each team plays teams in their division on a home and away (8 games), teams play teams in the other division on a rotating schedule (10 games) for a total of 18 games. Top 12 teams advance to the tournament, with top four seeds receiving first round byes. Big15 Tournaments rotating in Louisville, Kansas City and OKC.

What do you think?

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Woody Cragg 2 years, 6 months ago

CNNSI story says Fox deal is 1.2 billion, 10 teams, over 13 yrs. Deal was just done in April. Gotta have 10.

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jhawkrulz 2 years, 6 months ago

I really don't get why people want to expand the conference.

Tier 1 and Tier 2 revenue is a fixed about. I've heard in the neighborhood of $250MM/Year. Which we are sharing equally. Before $250/10 Schools is $25MM/Yr.

Now doing the math by 9 is just about $28MM/Yr/School. Clearly better.

In addition, 9 schools...8 football games 4Home/4Away. 16 Basketball games Home and Away for each School.

If you add 3 schools you are not going to get another $81MM/Year for the conference.

The key to stability is not the addition of teams, but getting schools to sign a longterm deal with huge exit fees.

Vote no expansion it is best for all of us.

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jhawkrulz 2 years, 6 months ago

KU just became the biggest winner in this. Here is how, but personally I don't think this is done (I think conference realignment will occur still this year, but I could be wrong).

In football, KU has zero games in Tier I, maybe in 2007 we had the border war. KU typically doesn't have Tier II games, NIU was Tier III, but Georgia Tech was Tier II. Remaining games on the schedule that are Tier I or Tier II...I don't think there will be any, but some will be picked up on Tier III (e.g. UT, MU, OU, KSU, TTU, OSU) ISU and BU probably won't get picked up.

Basketball, has a lot more Tier II and Tier III type games. Of course all the Big Monday games fall in Tier I, OU/UT Tier II about half of the Big XII games (8). Finally, Tier III are all of those other games, we get picked up and we make a lot. I betcha we are one of the top producing Tier III schools.

We share the Tier 1 and Tier II that we aren't as big on, and Tier III we add a lot, but don't have to share.

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RockChalkinSeattle 2 years, 6 months ago

It's becoming increasingly clear that UT is is big driver behind the entire mess. Things might be bigger but they're not necessarily better in Texas. Big money and egos make for poor playmates. Until UT learns to play nice, the Big 12, or whatever league they try to get into, will not function well. Other big football programs around the country have learned to play nice in their leagues.

Remembering the good 'ole days of the Big 8...

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rcjh22 2 years, 6 months ago

Daymond Patterson is out for the season.

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manginorh00lz 2 years, 6 months ago

The B1G is on the verge of irrelevance as it is. Thank God we don't have to go there yet.

Continue to Pray for PAC.™ Our day of deliverance will come. Keep the faith.

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DallasJayhawk1 2 years, 6 months ago

Thought this was interesting that just came out from NewsOK I don't think this is OU spin--I really do think this was an ultimate play by them to get what they want.

http://newsok.com/source-ou-ultimately-sought-big-12-reform-not-pac-12-move/article/3606281?custom_click=lead_story_title

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JayBoi2011 2 years, 6 months ago

OK. I'm going to make up my own conference. Alright. We clear up a situation where we can expand, and then go out and get BYU which is basically peeing it's pants to get in here. Then we get Air Force as a stop gap between BYU and the rest of us. That puts at 11. Then we poach the Big east. Two options here. We could go for two more and get louisville and WVU, but I think we could easily get 16 if we grab Cincy as well and then a 4th school, whether it be rutgers or UCONN, (seems unlikely considering their ACC offer) or maybe Notre Dame? That seems really unlikely, but maybe. Probably a Mac school or Mountain west school. Could be Memphis. Could be a lot of schools. Who knows, maybe Arkansas at that point would be interested. I think 16 is a very real possibility, and if somehow we got Arkansas, that could put the SEC in a tailspin which snatches up ACC schools and the Big 12 becomes a super conference. That would be cool. But first, BYU then Air Force, then Big East.

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Eric Dawson 2 years, 6 months ago

Here's a dated but GREAT link to a 1998 Athlon article called "Conference Reallignment: A History" It is still so spot on as far as the trends, even though it has some of the details (e.g., Syracuse went ACC, not B1G) wrong (remember, it was written 13 years ago). Enjoy!

http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/conference-realignment-history-lesson

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FlintHawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Matt, I'm joining the chorus of your fans who thank you for the terrific investigative work and reporting you've done for us the past couple of weeks. (Has it only been that long?) I too hope you get some big recognition out of your work on this — at the very least ole Keeg should give you a BIG RAISE and a promotion (your own column?).

I am so appreciative of having your blog to hang onto day and night. As others have said, you provided the best info on the conference realignment debacle of anything else available online — not just for us and the Big 12 but interesting and important insights into the other conferences.

You've got us all better prepared/informed for the 2012 debacle.......;

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Pbbut 2 years, 6 months ago

Matt, you've done great work on this and its appreciated. Keep after it, this story is not over yet, friction ongoing with UT and all that.
I loved the SEC application. Just this past week on local radio, the former Missouri State AD was a guest and he had a printout on the University of Alabama. According to the information he had, there are 140 people getting paid over $100,000 in the Athletic Department at Alabama. Mike Shula, remember him, is still getting over $500,000 a year from the Tide.
Mangino's buyout was pocket change to these guys.

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getserious 2 years, 6 months ago

Why not kick Texas out? Ask A&M to stay, Add BYU, Louisville and West Va and have EQUAL revenue sharing. The problem will never be solved as long as one school gets more money that the rest. We are all supposed to be in this together.

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Michael Maris 2 years, 6 months ago

I know a Texas Alum that works for the same company that I work for.

He says that there is NO way that Texas surrenders the TLN. I told him that as long as U. of Texas-Austin keeps their TLN (without turning it into the Big XII Network), the irritating smell of Bevo will continue to cause problems in the Big XII Conference.

Course, he is from Texas and he acts just like the typical Texas Alumni. He played basketball at U. of Nebraska - Omaha (until he got hurt). Then, he quit basketball and moved back home to finish out his college education at U.of Texas - Austin.

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chalky 2 years, 6 months ago

Dont think Mckechnie can even say KU without saying "and K-State,! and K-State! Dont forget K-State!" Dodds says people will look back 10 years from now and say that this was not that big of a deal....Thats what people say when they are wrong, and get caught. Oh, and on T . Boone Pickens insistence that A&M will sober up...Glad you can afford the good stuff. Think you got a little Captain in you too...

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rob4lb 2 years, 6 months ago

I would love for the other conference members to play hardball with UT. In all honesty, if A&M were still in the conference, the loss of UT would only moderately affect the size of our broadcast package.

From a financial standpoint, the Big 12 does pretty well. Remember, if you expand the new schools needs to be able to add more to the pie than the current revenue per school. There are not alot of schools out there to do that- certainly BYU, possibly West Virginia. I doubt Lousville or Cincinnati. Louisville does have a 56,000 seat stadium, WV has a 60,000 seat stadium and BYU has a 64.000 seat stadium.

You need to stop advocating TCU. They bring nothing. You may end up having to reduce the revenue per school and you bring in another school to the conference that you have to compete with for Texas recruits. Why would you want to do that?

Something tells me there will be more twists before this is fully resolved.

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Steve Brown 2 years, 6 months ago

Add Boise, TCU, Louisville, split into two divisions.

rise up get aggressive add schools now, temper UT with new sharing rules.

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William Blake 2 years, 6 months ago

We need a new commissioner and the whip will have to be cracked on Texas.

If it was up to me, I'd boot them out of the Big 12. Without Texas there is still no law that we can't recruit in Texas.

Mark my word... the exit from the Big 12 is not over! We already know of several schools that would like to leave... the time will come, 'sooner' than you think!

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Benjamin Piehler 2 years, 6 months ago

Just gotta play hardball with UT a little bit....

as far as I know, no conference has said Texas would be able to come with the Longhorn Network as it currently is. So we gotta say "Texas! The LHN is dead no matter where you go... here is our compromise...."

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manginorh00lz 2 years, 6 months ago

McKechnie said, "lets us focus back on academics. I feel better today than I have in five weeks."

Considering that he has a B.A. from Pitt State, this seems pretty hypocritical.

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AlecRaenos 2 years, 6 months ago

Dissolve the current Big 12.

OU, OSU, KU, KSU, MU, ISU, Baylor, Tech, WVU, UConn, USF get invites. Leave one left and tell Texas come on or we are inviting TCU. 100% equal revenue sharing 1st-3rd tier rights. 25 million dollar buyout paid in one lump sum.

If Texas comes, great. If not, screw em and snag TCU.

Texas is left with the following choices: Try to go to the Pac 12 alone, swallowing the Longhorn Network. Try to get in the ACC, who will probably not tolerate the Longhorn Network after the SWC and original Big 12 have dissolved from Texas' arrogance. Go independent and see what kind of deal they can get. Go to the SEC and lower their academic reputation and never win another football title again. Or go to the Big 12 and work on a Big 12 network, play regional rivals, and make a lot of money.

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mustlehustle 2 years, 6 months ago

David Boren is being raked over the coals in Oklahoma City this afternoon. His infamous words of "Oklahoma isn't going to be a wallflower in realignment" are deafening this afternoon. Boren was ready to "save-face" and spin the rejection from Larry Scott and the PAC 12....

Only problem with that was Scott announced it before Boren had a chance! What stung the most, is when the PAC 12 couldn't get Texas to modify their Longhorn Network, OU found out that being "bundled" to Oklahoma State and the lack of any television markets in Oklahoma, wasn't the least bit attractive to the PAC 12 schools.

Notre Dame will not be joining the Big 12...there's no incentive...they have a $7B endowment, and their own exclusive contract.

Texas has the most to lose of any of the schools in the Big 12 and they simply aren't going to concede any of that exclusivity with ESPN. Texas always has the options at the end of the day..they can always go independent.

Osborne at Nebraska tried for years to attract an exclusive network to Lincoln and could never get anyone interested. Oklahoma has also wanted their own network and have been met with a similar fate. Simply, neither had enough televisions sets in their respective States. Texas A&M was formally approached a few years ago by Texas to partner in a television network and A&M said no.

Texas has to compromise tier-1 and tier-2 television revenue to have the Big 12 Conference stay together? Texas has to consider saying no to ESPN, that we don't want your $300M?

Again, Texas has the brand, the economies of scale, and the national cache' in a State and City that has the spotlight on it. They clearly have the most to lose by keeping the Conference intact, and at the end of the day, if the Big 12 schools want to continue to pout and be jealous, unlike any of the other schools, Texas can as a last resort, always take their $300M Longhorn Network contract and go independent.

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texashawk10 2 years, 6 months ago

ESPN can end all of this now by realizing that the LHN will never generate the revenue needed to justify a $300 million deal and tell UT they are buying out the contract and establishing a Big 12 network set up in the model of the BTN. The Longhorn Network isn't even being carried on most major Texas cable companies or satellite companies. It's not on the dominant cable companies in Austin, Houston, and Dallas for sure and I haven't heard anything about it being on in San Antonio or Fort Worth either. It has been a total bust so far for ESPN and saving the Big 12 and preventing the four super-conferences from forming is also in ESPN's best interest because with a playoff, most of the smaller bowl games that ESPN broadcast that get higher ratings than major basketball games would fold and cost ESPN millions of dollars in advertising revenue. With an 8 team playoff, there would only be 7 games as opposed to the 25+ bowl games that ESPN broadcasts annually.

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Graczyk 2 years, 6 months ago

Did you see this quote from the article about the Reagents' meeting?

"She [BGL]said staying in the Big 12 was important. Being in a less prominent league may have reduced KU's visibility in the eyes of some potential students, she said."

That doesn't sound like KU had any viable options at all. This probably isn't the best time to show all your cards.

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trey 2 years, 6 months ago

Per previous post today, I still see major obstacles to a "stable" Big12 for the long-term. In addition to getting rev sharing, is there a way the Big12 can expand that drives significant revenue growth. I wonder if this would work...

Merge (or partner) with the BigE teams into a 16 team conference. Form 2 divisions - Big8 Division and BigE Division (with pod/travel partners). Championship game for football.

Big8 Division Texas, TTech OU, OSU KU, K-State MU, Iowa State

BigE Division TCU, Baylor Cinci, Louisville West Virginia, S. Florida Rutgers, UConn

Potential benefits... Texas Market (4 schools), NY Market (UConn Rutgers), Powerhouse football (Texas, OU, MU, West Virginia), Up&Coming football (TCU, S. Fla, OSU), Great hoops (KU, UConn, Texas, West Virginia, Louisville), Good hoops (MU, OSU, K-State, Baylor, Cinci), Texas recruiting, East Coast recruiting.

The question is, could this merger create a large enough Tier1&2 TV contract to make it attractive for all. And could it happen when the BigE contract comes up next year. Here's what it would take (if my math is right) for a 12 year contract...

Low-water mark would be same as Big12 today, 15M per school, per year. 16 schools X 15M X 12 years = 2.9B.

Beat the current best contract (in PAC today), 21M per school, per year. 16 schools X 21M X 12 years = 4.0B.

The PAC contract just signed is for 3.0B over 12 years (12 schools). So it would seem that this merged conference might be able to generate very attractive TV money. Thoughts?

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lv_jhwk 2 years, 6 months ago

Matt -

Trammel's article mentions that the conference game that was moved over to LHN was a major factor in aTm's decision to leave. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's our game (KU-UT) right? So, albeit somewhat indirectly, we had a hand in this latest meltdown? Better yet, our administration could have been the heroes who stood up to UT and prevented a lot of this (not that it would've gotten much if any publicity)?

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Ron Prichard 2 years, 6 months ago

Neinas' credentials look impressive, but his bio states that DeLoss Dodds was a former employee of his. Would that be a stumbling block since the perception of Beebe is that he is a Texas stooge and we want someone more unbiased?

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Jayhawk444 2 years, 6 months ago

Unfortunately...the way this played out gives all of the power back to Texas. Scott pulled the rug out from under OU with his Pac-12 is not expanding announcement. If he had waited a few days, OU might have gotten UT to make some bigger concessions. But now...maybe not so much.

OR - it's possible that UT orchestrated this from the very beginning. They wanted the Big12 to stay together, figured Pac doesn't take OU without them, so they purposely tanked that deal to keep OU out of the Pac.

But no matter how we got here, UT is back in power. Now it's just a matter of whether they use their power for good or for evil.

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Randy Bombardier 2 years, 6 months ago

I was all set for us the leave the conference but it really is the best place for us to be. The Big10 is only the second-best. I just hope after all the dust settles that we get our membership back to 12. I think that is critical to remain strong. I like TCU and BYU and Boise State. I understand that UT doesn't want TCU, so if true would like to see us add Colorado State. The first three have good football and BYU a national following. Strengthening our brand is more important that increasing our footprint as our conference reputation has taken a beating. Beef up the Brand!

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STL_Jayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Since the UT Pres is saying they will in no way share the revenues of the LHN, where is the stability in that? Texas and OU give up their larger shares of the Tier 1 and Tier 2 revenues, but UT keeps its $15 million per year LHN and all the recruiting benefits of having their own network. If the other schools agree to that, then I give the Big 12 six months before it all blows up again. No way we will have stability when UT is getting a benefit that no other conference would allow. OU would be better off jumping to the SEC where they won't frown upon OSU's academics. KU better expand the stadium quickly or be left out in the next round.

Over the past few weeks, every conference has been forced to predict the eventual expansion of conferences and their best choices. While I think the B1G is going to wait until more expansion causes ND to join a conference or be left out, I think conferences like the SEC, PAC and ACC are going to aggressively pursue the few options out there that make financial sense for their respective conferences. Just because the PAC said they weren't considering expanding today (if you really believe that) doesn't mean that the SEC isn't going to jump at the opportunity to beat the PAC to the punch at adding OU and UT. If the SEC really thinks that superconferences are inevitable, why not add OU, OSU, aTm and one other to get to 16 now and get the schools you really wanted?

Personally, I would love to see a movement where the 9 schools (including aTm) unite and tell UT to accept the same offer that they would get from any other major conference or hit the road for every sport. Let them know that all Big 12 will sign contracts forbidding the sheduling of games with them for any sport in the future. UT can go take aTm's place in the SEC and make less money than they do now. Bring in BYU to replace UT in the Big 12. Then look at the financial impact of adding TCU and possibly Louisville. We can dream.

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cajayfan 2 years, 6 months ago

Hope he is an interim solution, as he looks too old. We need fresh ideas!

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Josh Galler 2 years, 6 months ago

ohh my goodness what is the difference between our Tier 3 for KU, MU and KSU internet networks (KU JHN basketball) and UT's? nothing really except a little bit more money they make.

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Eric Dawson 2 years, 6 months ago

Hey, Dodds! You be proud of yourself, boy, whilst the rest of the nation knows y'all been b*slapped and is sittin' back laffin' at yer sorry .

Now, for the rest of you co-called "Big 12" schools -- you have leverage right now as you have never had in the past. It doesn't matter what options are open for other schools, what matters is that tu now faces just three options -- Big 12, independence or begging another conference to take it and being totally equal across the board anyway. Better for tu to stay in the Big 12 where it will still have more influence than it will in any other conference.

So gang up on the b**d from Austin. The Big 12 can survive without it as long as everyone else stays. Vote 8-1 to change the conference to equal sharing and equal partnership across the board. Dodds has no other conference options, take advantage of that reality!

If Dodds doesn't like it, he can take his high maintenance pretty girl that nobody else wants and leave.

"Just pay your exit fees on the way out, please, Mr. Dodds. Thank y'all, and have a nice day!"

Rock Chalk Jayhawk KU!

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trey 2 years, 6 months ago

Thanks for earlier post with link on Tier1, 2 and 3 TV contracts. The way I read it...

Tier1 is for nationally broadcast football & basketball games. Tier2 is for football & basketball games, not selected as Tier1. Tier3 is for football & basketball games, not selected as Tier 1 or 2, and all other sports.

Pretty interesting to see how much current contracts pay "per school" in each conference AND when expiration dates are. This is Tier1&2 combined, ranked by expiration date (and rounded)...

Big East, $5M per year, Tier1 expires 2012, Tier 2 expires 2013. Big12, $15M per year, Tier1 expires 2016, Tier2 expires 2025. B1G, $18M per year, Tier1 expires 2016, Tier2 expires 2032 (Tier2 = BTN). ACC, $13M per year, Tier1&2 expire 2023. SEC, $17M per year, Tier1&2 expire 2024. PAC, $21M per year, Tier1&2 expire 2024.

The LHN is Tier3, and $300M for 20 years. If all goes to Texas, that's $15M per year. That's same amount as the "per school" Tier1&2 contract in Big12. Don't know how much the other school's Tier3 contracts are worth.

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rob4lb 2 years, 6 months ago

Welcome back to purgatory, er, I mean the Big 12. I think I agree with most of the posters. What prevents the other eight schools from ripping up the bylaws and creating new bylaws that model the successful conferences? We know which ones they are because at some point in the last few weeks, we were hoping KU would land in one of those conferences.

By starting from scratch, UT can decide to stay or go and the only place they can go is independent. Unfortunately, the power has shifted slightly back to UT. OU does not want to go to the SEC and I don't think MU does either. However, I don't think UT has 51% of the vote so I would hope the other schools collectively stand up to UT,

By the way, do everyones get barraged with Longhorn Network ads everything they visit ESPN's website? It may be that I live in Texas. It makes me sick.

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Justin Lindsley 2 years, 6 months ago

Big East expansion isn't likely now. I would think that if The Big 12 wants to pick some of them up it should be possible. We have a better conference than they do at this point.

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jhawkrulz 2 years, 6 months ago

• Dodds on sharing LHN/TV revenue: Says B12 will share first and second tier TV rights equally but sharing third-tier (LHN) is non-negotiable.

Isn't that the original problem?

I don't think this is over.

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TheColonel 2 years, 6 months ago

This mindset of today that compromise and getting along is king needs to go away. Sometimes difference of opinions insists that you part ways. We all function this way in our personal lives, why in the heck should business be any different???

While there stood be a lot of losers in the arrangement, It does not say positive things about the self-image of the Big 12 Remanants (KU, KSU, ISU, MU and Baylor) that we rejoice at the salvation of the Big 12 and an opportunity to continue lock-step in being used by UT in a disparate revenue sharing situation.

The Big 12 is and will continue to be a toxic atmosphere, more so than ever. Can you imagine what UT athletes are going to have to endure on the road going forward?

The schools really need to man up, and vow that although they risk financial loss, they are willing to abandon Texas for the sake of individual integrity. UT's aggressive self interests are their prerogative, and while appropriate in an independent scenario, are inappropriate when you are part of a team of schools within a conference.

KU and MU should continue to explore their options and get the heck out of this situation once and for all. Nebraska should be commended for doing so and as such brought themselves stability and security for the next hundred years.

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jhwkfan162515 2 years, 6 months ago

Matt, do you think the Big 12-minus-2-soon-to-be-minus-3 is still viable as a nine-team conference? Considering that we are only at nine, ought we not rename our conference as, say, the Big Nine or the I-35 League (since all member schools are in states traversed by I-35)?

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LAJayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome."

It is what it is. Gotta do whatcha gotta do.....

And other simple-minded drivel meant to dismiss others while not actually giving any kind of an argument.

"We are who we are." Yes, and that's the problem. Maybe address it instead of shrugging it off like a 13 year old unable to properly express himself.

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JayHawkFanToo 2 years, 6 months ago

Matt, First of all, a heartfelt thank you for all the hard work you have put in the last few days keeping us fans informed on this ongoing saga; your hard work is greatly appreciated.

I have a couple of issues that I would like to have your take on:

There was a widely circulated article (New York Times) that estimated the number of fans for each school based on the Google search of "College Basketball" and College Football." I consider my self a big fan of college sports and having visited on this topic with many other like-minded fans, I cannot think of a single time where I goggled based on those two search terms. As a true fan, 99% of the time I know exactly where to go when I need information on college sports, and any "googling" I do is mostly to get information on a specific player whose stats I no longer remember, and likely from a school other than the ones I normally follow. I would guess that I am typical of most die hard college sports fans...which in turn would make that analysis moot.

Second, I posted a few times that in all of this mess, three groups got completely left out; the student athletes, the coaches and most importantly, the fans. I have been amazed how some posters thought the PAC was a good option...maybe for revenue purposes for the university, but as far as the three groups I mentioned, it was big time losing proposition. On the original Big 12, we had six schools (NU, ISU, MU, KSU, OU, OSU) where we effectively had one day trips which could be arranged on a spur-of-the moment, if we chose to go see KU play there. PAC away games would require 2 and even 3 day trips, considerable expense, and considerable prior planning; joining a conference in the East Coast would not be that much better.

In the last couple of days I have heard a couple of elected officials bring up this issue. What is the chance that the Federal Government eventually gets involved and passes the equivalent of the "Sports" Sherman Act, that dictates the maximum size and geographical extent (say, no more that 2 time zones, or a maximum distance) that sports conferences must follow to prevent a monopoly of college sports by a few "super conferences?

Again, thanks for the hard work.

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lama 2 years, 6 months ago

Big 12 should add BYU immediately, and make a serious play for Louisville and West Virginia.

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AlecRaenos 2 years, 6 months ago

KU is not a founding member of the AAU. In fact, Missouri was accepted before Kansas was. Kansas joined in 1909, Missouri in 1908. It was founded in 1900.

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writeon 2 years, 6 months ago

Many of you commenting here avoid a bunch of stuff. First, some of you, including Chad and Keating, have no real clue how KU has been involved; and judging by your speculations and other stuff, that's how it should be.

Next, the western Kansas legstative arm present on the Kansas Board of Regents will attempt to tie any move by KU to include KSU, just as Okiehomo was crippled by having a package with OSU (which no conference wanted, like KSU). Neither one of these schools measures up to KU, and you can just keep your Wal-Mart screaming to yourselves on that one. The BIg Ten landed a "pig in a poke" with taking Nebraska, which just got its ass booted out of the AARU. KU is a founding member of that elite organization, along with Yale, Harvard, Princeton, but not KSU.

Some of you people need to get out and travel. Wherever you go---LA, Dallas/Houston/New York City--KU has an incredible alumni base. Those people don't spend hours each day typing crap on a blog. I'm embarrassed that I spent this much time responding to the junk here.

I can't wait for the "wise" and balanced comments from the Urinal-World Peanut Gallery.

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dynamitehawk 2 years, 6 months ago

OK. Deep breath. Things are going to be OK for a while. Conference realignment will be back at some point, and some folks have pointed out a very important truth.

It's time to get busy, and by busy, I mean start making some babies, Kansas. We need a boost in population for TV people to take us seriously, and it's up to us to get it done. Fellow Jayhawkers, I call upon each of you to go home tonight and get it done. We can literally double the population of the state in a few years, and double the number of fans, and TV viewers. Hell, that means that we'll statistically have TWO Perry Ellis's to fight over down the road.

Plan Dynamite is in effect.

Get busy.

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royaljayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Boy, at this point I think if I were OU OSU and MU and had a chance to head to the SEC and leave Texas behind once and for all in this deal, I'd be on the first flight out! Just my thoughts though..

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Justin Lindsley 2 years, 6 months ago

After the last two weeks of absulute insanity. We have come full circle and are back where we started. Unbelievable!!!!! I think it is the best place to be though. I hope we pick up a couple of left over Big east teams Louisville, West Virginia, and grab BYU. That should shore things up for a while!!! Rock Chalk!

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Richard Payton 2 years, 6 months ago

With Oklahoma University back and their demands not rejected by Texas University the Big 12 becomes stable. Before other schools join the Big 12 the new Commissioner would need to be named. Could Perkins name pop up? Most likely would but would he want it? A new leader might want the Big 12 to be the first 16 team super conference so to beat the Big Ten to the punch before the 2015 contract comes due.

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Bear86 2 years, 6 months ago

F-DeLoss Dodds & F-Texas! Will the rest of the remaining Big 12 schools (except Baylor and Oklahoma) grow some balls and tell these jack offs in Austin to get in the conference equally or get the F-Out! Enough is Enough. KU sits on their ass, mean while Mizzou get's an offer from the SEC? Sad day's to be a Jayhawk.

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iamakufan 2 years, 6 months ago

• Dodds on UT's image: "We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We're proud of ourselves."

How arrogant. It's time for Texas to leave the Big12, voluntarily or otherwise. We have no room for such arrogance.

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jgkojak 2 years, 6 months ago

Sounds like he is saying when Texas plays Prairie View in the noncon in basketball or Texas plays New Mexico St noncon in football- they keep that revenue but share if Texas plays North Carolina or Texas plays LSU. Fair enough.

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AlecRaenos 2 years, 6 months ago

If the Big 12 votes on the new bylaws, and every one votes that there can be no individual networks, and it passes say 8-1, what then? Texas leaves? Im sure they get an invite somewhere but wherever they go it will be without the LHN won't it? So, all you have to do is pass the bylaw which makes TLN null and void in the conference and Texas has no choice. Either leave and get rid of the longhorn network or stay and get rid of the longhorn network.

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tman1991 2 years, 6 months ago

can someone explain this revenue sharing?? 1st tier vs 2nd tier vs 3rd tier??

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Pbbut 2 years, 6 months ago

We've known all along that football is driving the bus, but the Notre Dame article shows just how powerfully. The Irish have gone to great lengths to upgrade their basketball, men and women, and put good teams on the floor the last few years. In many respects their basketball teams were more competitive against good opposition than the football. According to the Tribune, they seem unconcerned about the quality of the teams that they've lost in the Big East. Replaced by Air Force, Navy? That's a reach.

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AlecRaenos 2 years, 6 months ago

Honestly, after Dodd's comments about the LHN being non-negotiable, I'd rather the Big 12 dissolve and all remining teams reform a conference except Texas. Let them take their non-negotiating Longhorn Network somewhere else or go Independent. You have to dissolve the conference first, so no one pays exit fees and then you go to each and every member not named Texas about a new conference.

Texas is a greedy cancer. They are not to be trusted.

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cajayfan 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm telling you, MU is not done screwing up(or screwing the conference). Can somebody tell them to shut the bleep up?! http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2073

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FarSideHawk 2 years, 6 months ago

I'd rather Big12 just dissolve now and all the teams move to a 'stable' conference. Don't want to live through this BS again next year.

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cajayfan 2 years, 6 months ago

You have to give Baylor some credit. They slowed everything down a bit and really were ridiculed for it. We may not be able to admit it, but I think KU had just as much to lose. I don't buy we had an invite out there and our football looks much worse than theirs right now.

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Angus0199 2 years, 6 months ago

I said it before, the PAC is out for the foreseeable future. Sorry. As long as the B12 is present, KU and KSU aren't going anywhere. The B1G isn't going to be responsible for the B12 going down. They jumped the too far w/NU last time and don't want that reputation.
On a personal note, I say we kick UT's ass out or take the LHN as the B12 and revenue share the hell out of them.

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Steve Brown 2 years, 6 months ago

Matt, president of UT just put out a statement they may have to consider new form of revenue sharing....ding dong the witch is dead the wicked witch may be wounded at least, grab the ruby slippers.

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flyingfinn 2 years, 6 months ago

While there's still a plethora or questions out there, regarding the breathing a sigh of relief, how do we know that all this expansion fervor won't blow back up if/when the Big 12 tried to expand? If they stop at BYU then it's moot, since they're independent, but if we try to get a Big East team then is there any indication that the other conferences won't start crapping their pants again and accepting all the rats jumping ship?

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trey 2 years, 6 months ago

In thinking thru this, even with the PAC's decision last night, I bet we're NOT done here at all. Some significant things have to happen for the Big12 to survive as a "stable" conference, as outlined in the first scenario below. If they don't (and I think there may be a good chance they don't), we could be back to the expansion game (2nd two scenarios) in a matter of days...

Scenario A - Big12 lives as a "stable" long-term conference Requires... New commissioner (Beebe will be sacrificed). Requires... Equal revenue sharing (a give by Texas). Requires... LHN transforms into Big12 Network (another give by Texas). Requires... Adding 3 schools to get back to 12 (are there three good candidates?).

Scenario B - Texas doesn't give, OU+OSU approach SEC, expansion starts up again. SEC... Adds A&M, MU, OU, OSU (football dominence gets even bigger). ACC... Adds Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, Rutgers (owns the east coast). PAC... Adds Texas, TTech, KU, K-State (Texas complies to PAC rules). B1G... Sits on sideline waiting for ND (has few other expansion opportunities).

Scenario C - B1G wakes up, doesn't want to miss best expansion targets B1G... Adds Texas, MU, KU, ND (Homerun, adds monster brands). SEC... Adds A&M, OU, OSU, West Virginia (likely #16 target if MU to B1G). ACC... Adds Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, Rutgers (Homerun, owns East coast, best hoops). PAC... Misses the boat, stays at 12 (or adds TTech, K-State, Iowa State, BYU).

The interesting dynamic here is that the PAC and B1G may eventually have to fight it out. There just are not 8 strong/no-brainer expansion candidates for them to share. If Scenario A doesn't materialize, best news for KU would be...

OU+OSU to SEC (eliminates two competitors for PAC). Rutgers+UConn to ACC (eliminates one competitor for B1G).

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Angus0199 2 years, 6 months ago

The B1G stayed quiet just because of the likelyhood that the B12 would stay together. Didn't want to be responsible for the fall of the B12.

The B12 is going to stay together. I say we need to start being proactive

1: UT relinquishes the LHN and now it’s the BIG 12 Network-If not they're out-They can go anywhere, but they can't stay here

2: We hire a new Commish. Beebe's out like a light-he doesn't have to go home, but he can't stay here. We need somebody w/leadership, vision, and Strength

3: $50 million exit fees

Would look like this: KSU, KU, ISU, MU, OU, OSU, Baylor Possibility of UT, TTU, A&M-although not happening Depending on if any leave, we add BYU-likely anyway, TCU, Houston, and/or SMU, Maybe Boise State.

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tahawk81 2 years, 6 months ago

Great job on the coverage of this ordeal. This was by far the best up to the minute information I could find. Thanks alot of doing this, you did a great job.

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Matthew Pyle 2 years, 6 months ago

If the Longhorn Network is not dissolved or they do not at least start sharing revenue equally, we will have deja vu all over again once the Pac 12 and other conferences decide to expand. I'm not sure this is good news until we understand what the details look like. In the mean time, KU should continue to look out for themselves; certainly if the Big 10 wanted them I would jump!

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Michael Maris 2 years, 6 months ago

This league will NOT survive. Missouri, OU and Okie State will exit to the SEC.

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kureader 2 years, 6 months ago

Zenger deserves some credit for having the discipline to keep his mouth shut, while other Big 12 Officials paraded in front of the cameras like a bunch of peacocks.

Tait deserves a raise and a promotion. His coverage of these issues was, and continues to be, just outstanding.

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lama 2 years, 6 months ago

OU looks silly, just like Mizzou did last year. The Pac-12 didn't want them without Texas -- and with OSU.

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Daniel Kennamore 2 years, 6 months ago

Again, top notch work over the past weeks Matt. Your blog has been my first and last check everyday on this issue.

So now that it looks like everyone is taking a breath, do you have any idea who the league might target besides BYU.

West Virginia and Louisville look ripe for the plucking...

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Michael Maris 2 years, 6 months ago

Kevin Harlan just summed it up (on 810 Radio with Soren Petro), Texas is the Mafia of College Athletics.

That is so very true.

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manginorh00lz 2 years, 6 months ago

TCU will slip back to irrelevance in the next 10 years. There are better choices for the Big 12.

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97jhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

I actually commend OU on their efforts to stand up to the Big 12 bully, otherwise known as UT. The B1G has a good system and if, after all this, the Big 12 can somehow mimic their system due to OU's efforts, KU comes out looking good in the deal and being rewarded financially, assuming things can be evened out. I agree, Bebee must go. Things have been chaotic and the Big 12 deserves some stability.

I know that UT and TCU don't get along, or something like that, but I think the Big 12 should add BYU, TCU, and one other team. If we could swap Texas A&M for TCU that would be a good get on some levels I would think. Maybe OU can strongarm the bully into allowing TCU to join us as well. They should've made that one of their concessions too.

Everyone should definitely praise OU should it all work out. Why let one school run the whole gammit? Equality keeps everyone happy. The B1G has a number of bottom feeders in athletics (MN Goofers, Inidiana (football), Northwestern at times) and then they have those at the top of the food chain, yet they still seem to get along just fine rather than a bunch of Hatfield and McCoys like the Big 12.

This transformation, if it happens, could be the best thing to happen to the Big12 since it became the Big 12. Best part, KU looks good coming out of this deal and the Red River Rivalry just went through the roof with animosity there. The meaning to that game just got bigger and better. UT should like that........

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pepper_bar 2 years, 6 months ago

This blog was the best resource I could find on any sports news site to keep me updated on new realignment news and rumors as they came out. Nice job, Matt.

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Kyle Helmer 2 years, 6 months ago

Matt, you have done amazing work on all of this. I will be glad when this mess is over, but I will miss checking in on your reports every hour. Truly top notch work and you are to me commended!

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jgkojak 2 years, 6 months ago

WINNERS & LOSERS

WINNERS: 1. The ACC - added two expansion-market teams (PA and NY) that are academic and geographic fits. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't go ahead and grab UConn and make an offer to Rutgers before this is all settled.

  1. Kansas St, Iowa St and Baylor - they got their parking validated for a few more years.

  2. Oklahoma - they got what they wanted: Texas reigned in and eating more than a little crow.

  3. The Big 10: they really didn't want to talk expansion until 2015 when their TV deal expires. The next round is on them.

  4. Student athletes: the worst-case travel scenerios didn't come to be.

LOSERS: 1. The Pac 12: I'm not sure they'll ever be able to reel in the Big 4 again.

  1. Texas = humbled. Their only reasonable next stop other than sticking w/the B12 is Indy status - and would we really care as long as we kept OU/OSU in the fold? Nope.

  2. K-State, Iowa St and Baylor: didn't like this year's physical. Have some fodder for boosters to upgrade facilities.

  3. The SEC: if the B12 survives, Mizzou is lost. If Mizzou switches conferences, it will be to the B10 in 4 years.

  4. WVU: who knew? No one wants them? Proud upper-echelon member of the Big East found out they have more in common with New Mexico State than they do with Penn St.

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nckujayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

What exciting news can we expect to here from the KBOR meeting tomorrow?

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Eric Baker 2 years, 6 months ago

Matt, I just want to say that your coverage of this whole ordeal has been stellar. The commentary and analysis, the excellent attention paid to other schools' interests and points of view, and the accurate reporting of relevant info amid a sea of wild speculation and rumors has all been incredible. You should win an award for it. Seriously.

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dynamitehawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Would Pickens liken Texas' windfall in the LHN as the second largest transfer of wealth in human history... behind foreign oil?!? We need to reorganize as the "Wind Farm" league, with equal distribution. The money is abundant. I love this guy!

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Joe Joseph 2 years, 6 months ago

I might kill myself if Perry Ellis chooses KSU.

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Andy Tweedy 2 years, 6 months ago

Matt, I keep hearing the Big XII wouldn't expand more into Texas. Is that true?

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JayHawk_from_SWKS 2 years, 6 months ago

Hi Matt,

Great work with all you have done! With the Big East football teams stating last night they are committed to staying together and looking aggressively to expand, I am guessing the chances of a Big 12/Big East football merger is no longer on the table? Given that the Big East football schools wouldn't add too much to the conference competitively or monetarily, it probably isn't a huge loss. But, it would have been ironic to go from a conference on the brink of extinction to the first 16-team super conference.

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cajayfan 2 years, 6 months ago

What about Missouri? Are they still standing strong? Will OU/OSU look to the SEC seeing how much work the BIG12 has in front of them? Not to mention that the Big East has circled the wagons and aiming at the military schools. They have already met and do not have to replace their Commissioner. Any updates on the fox in the chicken coop(MU)?

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Benjamin Piehler 2 years, 6 months ago

Few thoughts.... First, I'd like to imagine Beebe didn't sleep well last night.

IF the B1G ever wanted MIzzou and KU, now is the best time for them to act, the Big XII is still weakened but in the coming weeks it could easily get stronger with the removal of Beebe, a potential BYU invite and hopefully a vote to increase the fee to leave. No promises they act though.

The Big East is similarly trying to rebound, and I've heard they're considering adding Navy and Air Force, but I've also heard Temple and ECU could be targets also. I'm thinking the Big XII could have a real shot at luring some of the better Big East/MWC teams if they play their cards right.

I'm hoping we talk to TCU, maybe Houston, Memphis or Rice from C-USA or maybe Cincy or Louisville.

I really hope Bill Self had a chance to talk with Perry since the conference is looking like it will survive...

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jay381 2 years, 6 months ago

Hopefully we dodged a bullet on this round. I would say it is imperative for the future we build on the upgrades of the football facilities and program. We made significant progress when improvements were make to the football practice and conditioning facilities. It was only a few years ago we competed and won an Orange Bowl BCS game. I know more debacles like we saw last week on the field just cannot continue into the future. With the importance of football revenue in now and in the future frankly no first class conference will be interested in KU without at least a competitive football program and facilities. We just have to be better prepared and have an offer that includes a viable football program. I would say this is a very important year for all of KU not just football. Football just cannot continue to be an embarrassment to the entire university shown on TV as it was last week. We do not have to be OK AL or TX but for goodness sake we have demonstrated we can be competitive with mid level programs in major conferences in the past. AD Z sure has his work cut out for him as a new AD. I wish him success in his pursuit of a good program. He certainly cannot be blamed for the state of the program only months into his tenure for the current condition. He does have an opportunity to make a good name for himself going forward.

Note this is not blaming anyone or coach. It is just my evaluation of what must happen. If, in the opinion of the AD, it is going to take changes in coaching to accomplish the task it is better to do it now than to continue to bleed. If on the other hand in the opinion of the AD we have the correct coach then he must be given sufficient support to succeed. We do not have years to make that decision. Again not an easy job to make that evaluation but it does come with the job. The status quo is just not sustainable.

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DallasJayhawk1 2 years, 6 months ago

I had Big 12 at 40% last week--I now say 100%. You can take that to Vegas.

I'm glad Pac did what they did and kind of slowed this whole "everyone will be going to a 16 team super conference". There's been some vocal concern (ie Boeheim at Syracuse) about all of this and for good reason. Now, we take care of in-house concerns, Beebie will be removed, maybe expand a little and move on.

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Steve Brown 2 years, 6 months ago

Matt after dust settles will UT have more or less power in B12>? Seems as if Pac10 just took away one Longhorn Ace in the hole. Could B12 have a mtg. to vote on equality and splitting revenues before ATM relinquishes it's votes?

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ChicagoHawk04 2 years, 6 months ago

Matt – many thanks for staying up on all the latest developments and keeping us informed of potential impacts to the UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS (my first time posting, don’t understand why LJW uses “Kansas University,” let’s save this for another time).

One thing I’ve never understood since this whole realignment circus began is why football has automatically been declared the driving force for negotiating bigger TV contracts. The prevailing notion is you either need to be a national football brand or and half-decent football brand in a major market to be a player in the realignment game. No one seems to really challenge this notion. Football = money, money = football, they’re essentially synonymous, everything else is next to irrelevant.

http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=993

According to this site of Network TV Ad Revenues for major sports during the 2005-06 season, (the latest I could find after a quick search) men’s college basketball generated roughly $662M in ad revenue for TV networks ($165M for regular season, $497M for NCAA tourney) while college football generated $506M ($396M for regular season, $110M for Bowl Games).

I admit, there are a couple things that dilute basketball’s value, even if these numbers are accurate and comprehensive: One, there’s a much higher volume of basketball games compared to football games, so not as much “bang for the buck” once that $662M is spread across 3x as many games. Two, the NCAA holds the rights to the postseason tourney and slices that $497M pie across 300+ schools as well as whatever the NCAA needs to operate its organization. Regardless, there is enough money there to think that basketball would be more than an afterthought in realignment discussions, especially if the money is split across fewer schools.

There has been some talk that with four 16-school super conferences the NCAA goes away and the super conferences find a way to govern and police themselves (many would argue that the NCAA should go away regardless of whether super conferences materialize or not). If that happens, I’m guessing that the super conferences form their own tournament, basketball revenue would be distributed by conference, similar to football revenue, and the value of having a storied basketball program in your conference portfolio would dramatically increase your leverage in TV network negotiations.

My question is, has there been any indication from other reporters, bloggers, or any of your sources that some forward-thinking commissioner (Delany? Slive?) would consider adding national basketball brands because in a world where the NCAA doesn’t exist, they could prove to have significantly more value than they do today, or am I completely off on my understanding of what basketball could bring to the table without the NCAA?

Probably not as big of a deal now that the Big 12 will likely remain intact, but it would be good to know for when we go through this whole process again next year…

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truman 2 years, 6 months ago

It is doubtful the Big Ten will come calling. If you have ever attended a Big Ten football game, you will learn that KU has nothing like the tradition and fan support at their games that even comes close to the Big Ten. (BB games in Allen do not count). So KU FB is not very attractive to the Big Ten. And it is more difficult to get into a Big Ten school than KU...so overall academically, we aren't that close.

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Hank Cross 2 years, 6 months ago

The only commissioner job that Beebe is fit for is the Greek Islands Conference or whatever they call the BB league that Brady is playing for. Greece is the one place so down, even Beebe couldn't harm it.

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ParisHawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Just in case, time to come up with a new name for the Conference. Some ideas:

  • "The Conference formerly known as the Big 12"

  • The Bevo and BoomerHead Conference

  • The BeebeGone Conference

  • The Big YU Conference: shout-out to our Number 1 10th team

  • The Independents Welcome Conference Yes, Notre Dame, you can have your cake and eat it too, just like Bevo.

  • The Google Conference: because we are constantly searching for ways to keep the Conference alive

  • The iConference: goes well with version numbers.

All fact, no malice...

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Carter Patterson 2 years, 6 months ago

Matt....if the B1G comes calling, what do you think we'll do?

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cpatgreen 2 years, 6 months ago

so oklahoma can make demands but with no place to go now why would texas make concessions? what are oklahoma's options?

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