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Realignment Today: Meeting of Big 12 presidents/chancellors set for today canceled. But why?

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5:18 p.m. Update:

Great column here by Dennis Dodd, of CBS Sports, who examines just who the people behind the names on these oh-so-important boards of regents are these days.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15585204/need-college-football-changed-forever-call-your-dentist

Dodd paints a pretty unflattering picture of these people and their concern for college athletics. In doing so, he groups them all together in a sense. While he may be dead on about some of them and generally right about most, it's important to remember that the people on the various boards at each institution are not all like the people Dodd discusses in the column. Some of them do care about their universities beyond the dollars and prestige that come with them. Some of them are loyal and passionate and concerned about the future of college athletics.

But some of them are exactly the way Dodd portrays them and it's a great read. If nothing else it hammers home what a shame it is that these are the people calling the shots about whether or not great leagues like the Big 12, Big East and others will survive for years to come or simply disappear.

Stay tuned...

3:29 p.m. Update:

Still not much word on why today's meeting of Big 12 presidents and chancellors was canceled. The quiet nature of everything has me wondering if they "canceled it" officially and then went and held it anyway. We're at that point in this deal and I'm guessing that being able to conduct business out of the public eye would be a huge advantage for the Big 12 right now. Don't read too much into that, though. Merely a guess on my part.

One league source I did talk to a little bit ago said they were unsure about why the meeting was canceled but that it could've been something as simple as a scheduling snafu or any number of other reasons that, under normal circumstances, would've been completely acceptable and gone unnoticed.

One thing I was able to dig up was the agenda for OU's board of regents meeting scheduled for Monday night. Agenda Item #28 (how long is this thing gonna be) references, in no uncertain terms, conference alignment.

Here's the official wording:

The Board of Regents will discuss potential legal ramifications of athletic conference realignment options and/or consider new athletic conference membership and take any appropriate action. An executive session may be proposed pursuant to Section 307B.4 of the Oklahoma Open Meetings Act.

Things could be pretty quiet until then. But it's looking like Monday night and Tuesday could be big days.

Stay tuned...

2:01 p.m. Update:

With Mizzou chancellor Brady Deaton coming out and saying some pro-Big 12 lives things in an interview with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, many are wondering if Deaton, the current chairman of the Big 12 board of directors, is privy to some unknown information that may not have been leaked yet.

It's possible. Then again, it could be posturing. Missouri, like Kansas, is in favor of the Big 12 surviving. So Deaton saying anything other than positive stuff about the conference's future would be a detriment to his end goal. With that in mind, it's not all that surprising to hear his recent comments.

Now, having said all that, there could be a shred of truth — perhaps more — behind what Deaton's saying and it's possible that things have, yet again, swung in the Big 12's favor.

Still a long way to go before we know for sure. But here's a good take from a man who knows Deaton as well as anyone covering the Tigers, Mizzou's Rivals.com guy, Gabe DeArmond.

http://missouri.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1265573

Stay tuned...

12:13 p.m. Update:

Here's something I stumbled upon that will help you pass the time while you wait for more news to come out. It's a choose-your-own-adventure of sorts regarding conference realignment. Pretty cool. And pretty interesting. Try it a few different times with a few different scenarios to see what happens.

Not saying it moves this thing along any, but, hey, at the rate we're going maybe this thing will end up being right. Either way, it's worth checking out.

Just click the blue "Start Now" links a couple times and you'll be on your way.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/09/15/conference-realignment-choose-your-own-adventure-style/

10:10 a.m. Update:

Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton tells Vahe Gregorian of the St. Louis Post Dispatch that he believes there are plenty of reasons that the Big 12 will and should continue even if OU and Oklahoma State leave.

From the article: "If things change, we'll try to keep it together and move forward with other members," Deaton said. "I'm a little more optimistic certainly today than I was maybe a week ago, but that's based on the fact that I think good, careful reasoning and analysis of what's in the best interests of each of our institutions will continue to bind us together as a conference."

What's more Deaton says he's not convinced OU is leaving and he might not even believe that A&M's actually gone.

"They're full members of the conference until they are no longer members of the conference," Deaton said.

Great update. Take a look.

http://m.stltoday.com/STL/db_109156/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=es9supm4&full=true#display

9:41 a.m. Update:

The big news of the day — at least at this point — is that the Big 12’s presidents and chancellors, who were scheduled to meet later to discuss conference realignment, have canceled that meeting.

Oh boy. Let the speculation begin.

The meeting had been on the books for a while and you can bet that, unlike previous meetings, there would’ve been some substance behind this one. One source told me earlier this week that, it was a real possibility that Oklahoma would make its intentions know to the conference and A&M could take a step closer to joining the SEC by the end of the meeting.

Now... Who knows.

The guessing game can go one of two ways here. Either the meeting has been canceled because these people are so far from seeing eye-to-eye that they can’t even be in the same room together for fear of some crazy explosion happening that makes headlines for other reasons. Or.... OU had made up its mind but then started having second thoughts after a last-ditch sales pitch from Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe came their way the other day.

My guess? Well, my gut has been telling me all along that OU’s gone. So since, to me, that’s the most logical thing that could happen here, maybe I should go with the opposite. That’s the kind of circus we’re seeing right now and, at least for the immediate future, that’s the kind we’ll continue to see until somebody says something real.

Speaking of that, here’s a little more from The Daily Oklahoman’s Berry Tramel on why the Texas-to-the-ACC rumors may be a smoke screen.

http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2011/09/15/big-12-football-is-texas-bluffing-about-the-acc/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Back to the phones to find out what I can about why today’s meeting was canceled.

Stay tuned....

Comments

Keith Hummel 8 years, 2 months ago

It sounds like perhaps OU needed more time to consider their options before discussing things with the other schools. Maybe they all mutually agreed there was no point in meeting until OU is prepared to announce their intentions. Of course that's just a guess. Anything and everything is possible right now.

ahpersecoachingexperience 8 years, 2 months ago

Once again ahperonlyonethatgetsit has to fill you guys in. We are in a holding pattern due to OU's game against FSU this weekend and no information is coming out because it could be a distraction. Look for things to pick up next week.

jgkojak 8 years, 2 months ago

My guess:

Its a smokescreen for Texas to wrangle a better deal from the Pac.

Interestingly, I doubt the Pac will budge. And if Texas were willing to give up its LHN, it would just do that and keep the B12 together.

So a second outcome out be a 7 team B12 adding members.

Meaning its likely KU/KSU (MO I doubt is interested) getting an offer to partner w/OU/OSU out west.

Note: A Texas-led 7 team B12 would have the cachet to raid the Big East's remaining football teams, add BYU, and not lose much.

jhox 8 years, 2 months ago

You bring up a point that I've been thinking more and more about lately. Why would Texas leave the sweet deal it has in the Big 12 if it has to give up the LHN anyway? Unless the ACC is willing to give in and allow the LHN money to go only to Texas, they really have no other viable options. Independent status is not a viable option. No decent BCS schools would schedule them. It would be a disaster.

The longer this goes on, the more I believe it may just be a high stakes game of poker between OU and Texas, to get Texas to share LHN revenues with them or with the rest of the league. If that could be agreed to, you would have a viable Big 12 conference, and not just a temporary solution.

When you come right down to it, it makes absolutely no sense to make a student athlete travel to Washington for a Tuesday night basketball game, only to return at 5:00 am and have to be at class by 8 or 9. What university president in their right mind would force that on their students?

The only hope for this conference is for UT to back down and agree to share some of the LHN profits with the rest of the league. I don't believe they should have to share it all, but as a good will gesture, they need to make some concessions to even the playing field with the other schools, and let the other schools know they're ready to be an equal partner rather than the managing general partner.

Eric Harrison 8 years, 2 months ago

While Texas to the ACC doesnt' make any sense to me, the analogy of the cowboy-Wall St is way off if you've been to places like Clemson, Tallahassee and Blacksburg (plus anything along Tobacco Rd)

justinryman 8 years, 2 months ago

Good info Matt.

A bunch of overpaid over inflated egos can't get along, long enough to have a sit down man to man meeting. Can't they all just video conference each other then?

It has come down to a few things in my mind as to the life of the Big 12.

Getting the leverage over Texas for the remaining schools. Is that even possible? Probably not, not any more, with A&M and OU talking of leaving it doesn't look good.

Getting OU and A&M to stay. Is that even possible? Probably not, not with the power that Texas has been given. Just ask Nebraska about that. there were many votes were it was 11 to 1, where NU was the "1".

Getting the so called "not haves" to rally and rise up to stand for something and get other schools to join them and the conference. Baylor is doing this with their stand against A&M, but how much more can they do this?

And for all those Presidents and Chancellors,

"People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?" Rodney King, May 1, 1992,

Robert Howard 8 years, 2 months ago

Very concerning indeed. As I've read all of the stories here, I've been a bit shocked that we haven't heard more from our friend Mr. Beebe. If he really wants to keep his job & the conference together - I would have thought that this meeting would be a key rallying point to gather any remaining schools that want to stay and craft a path forward. Whether that's through expansion, mergers, or some other means - it sure seems like everyone's throwing in the towel.

Although it may not make sense for a lot of reasons, I'm surprised Mr. Beebe isn't aggressively working a scenario where KU, KSU, ISU, MU, BU, TT, and TU form a core that then goes aggressively to adding 4-5 teams into a new 'Big 12'...

Seems like the meeting today would have been a good place to start that discussion...

DevilHawk 8 years, 2 months ago

If you want to do that, then you don't want A&M, Oklahoma, and OSU at that meeting.

selfishhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

Beebe has no power at this point. He's worthless as a facilitator.

As for creating a new conference, sit down and try to come up with the 4-5 schools you propose would join the conference. Constrain yourself a little by geography (i.e., exclude Boise State), by the size of the school (i.e. exclude TCU), by reality (i.e., exclude Notre Dame), and by academic (i.e., exclude Tulsa and Boise State again). Good luck finding 4-5 teams. And even if you do, write them all down 1 to 12, and ask yourself if you would be at all excited about KU playing in that conference. Moreover, ask yourself if Texas adminstrators could look their alumni in the eyes with that conference.

Jonathan Allison 8 years, 2 months ago

You have Tulsa under the wrong category.

They are actually a good school acemdemically, except that they are way to small to be able to support large programs in various schools.

So they would be excluded under your "size of the school" category. I'm really surprized that a school with only 3000 students can support division 1 athetics department.

Kevin Randell 8 years, 2 months ago

I agree and actually live near Tulsa. In a lot of categories they kick KU academically up and down the block.

The reason why they are so small of a school is that they are a private institution and not state funded.

Oh....and they don't offer fluff degrees like communications, culture studies and leisure studies for their football players.

But you can't argue with the wins they have put up with going through 3 head coaches.

Kyle Sybesma 8 years, 2 months ago

As long as the Big 12 is alive this is what we have to look forward to every year. Let's be done with it and move on to a new conference.

utahjayhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

Bottom line.........neither you or anyone on this board knows what's going on with the B1G.

Sam Constance 8 years, 2 months ago

Really? You read this as "the Big 12 is going to survive?" spin?

Ironic that you would imply ulterior motives for the LJWorld while clearly having your own philosophical disposition.

Side note: the LJWorld and any other local media outlet, as well as the fans of the local Big 12 schools, should ALL have a vested interest in the survival of the Big 12. Having a giant void (in terms of BCS conferences) in an entire section of the country is nonsensical, except for television contracts.

TKHAWK 8 years, 2 months ago

I know its not going to happen, but think about the core "7" being able to pull a coup d'etat and get ND or even as a lesser option, BYU. The BIG 8 is back baby!!!! Please don't start blasting me about how and why this could never happen. Just think of it as dreaming of a sunny beach on a cold and rainy day in Kansas.

TKHAWK 8 years, 2 months ago

very true, we might all be working on our tans!

Pbbut 8 years, 2 months ago

Not really, you end up with eight teams in the same league. A Big 8 has to include an Oklahoma and Nebraska.

actorman 8 years, 2 months ago

Mangino, I don't know why you're so gung ho on KU joining the PAC. Don't get me wrong, from a certain selfish standpoint I'd love it because I'd be able to see KU live on regular occasions. But I just think it would be insanity for KU sports programs. Yeah, it MIGHT be okay for football and basketball (although even there I'm not sure), but how on earth are the other programs going to deal with the ridiculous amounts of traveling that would be involved. This whole thing is simply beyond idiotic. And if the NCAA had any teeth whatsoever, they would step in and say you can't create conferences that are spread out over thousands of miles. It's supposed to be about the student-athlete, remember? So I don't think the ljw has any personal agenda in saying that the Big XII might survive. I think there are at least a few sane people out there that realize how ludicrous this entire situation is.

actorman 8 years, 2 months ago

Why do you say that? Because possibly KSU, OU and OSU will also be there? There will still be plenty of traveling to the various other PAC outposts.

Kevin Randell 8 years, 2 months ago

Just like I said the other day. Look at Conference USA. That conference spreads all the way from El Paso to Orlando and they don't have nearly the amount of money our conference does. They make the traveling work. What will end up happening will be an east vs west in all sports. We will do the majority of our traveling within the east conference with the exception of a few games and series in the other. We will just have to worry about the other side in a championship game or tournament.

Joseph Kuebel 8 years, 2 months ago

True, our pod would have Utah, Cu, osu, ou, MU (I don't thinner kstate gets offered) and UofA +ASU, they have repeated many times that the non revenue teams would likely not play the ca, or, and wa teams until the post season or pac 16 tournaments...

So ya, "poor travel Opinion" out the window.

FreeRider 8 years, 2 months ago

NCAA step in? The NCAA is powerless. It gets its mandates from the colleges whose presidents and chancellors largely have no problem with realignment because it sorts out the men from the boys as far as football revenue generators. The NCAA is not above the universities as some sort of freestanding government agency; it only exists because the universities wanted it to exist. And, frankly, after realignment is finally done, the NCAA may not exist at all except as a further reduced organization overseeing those left out of realignment. Part of the motivation behind this is also that the big boys are also fed up with NCAA enforcement and they want to go their own way.

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

Given the extremely thin chance of the Big 12 staying together - how does this affect recruiting? Are kids and/or their parents going to be nervous about committing to a Big 12 school knowing that the whole league may implode at any time?

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you're talking about football (right now) when you refer to KU as a " lesser school ".

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

lol - funny that someone with mangino in their username would call someone hypersensitive !!!

I was just asking - sorry the intonation font on my computer is broken.

TKHAWK 8 years, 2 months ago

What if the core "7" could somehow survive, with or without expansion, and KU were able to step up its Texas recruiting, attracting some talent that would have gone to the Oklahoma schools, but kids that prefer to have more games in Texas rather then the west coast? I KNOW, I KNOW! OU football will still be OU football. But no one can deny that leaving to the PAC will affect their Texas recruiting to some extent even if only a few kids. There is a lot of talent in Texas, why not KU to pick up some good pieces and possibly get to a level where we could compete with Texas yearly? Sandy beaches people! I'm just dreaming! Dream your dreams!

Michael Luby 8 years, 2 months ago

SO, Matt
If the conference stays together, got any ideas of which teams they would pursue to make it a 12 team league again?

Marcia Parsons 8 years, 2 months ago

I was foolish enough at the beginning to believe that the whole thing would blow over and the Big 12 would survive more or less intact. I really liked the geographics of all the member locations and the long-time rivalries and wanted it to continue. Now I've given up, not because I think it couldn't be worked out, but because I think there would be too much of an atmosphere of distrust and suspicion going forward. How can this group ever trust the word of another member again?

FreeRider 8 years, 2 months ago

Once again, why would the Big Ten want KU? I'll answer my own question: it won't. Why? Because realignment is about revenue generation for conferences/schools by using their best assets: football, before basketball. The Big Ten will want a larger TV footprint too for its football assets as this thing kicks into gear again -- just like it did last year by adding only Nebraska with its national audience and shunning Mizzou's St. Louis and alleged KC markets. The Big Ten has no interest in the KC TV market; it wants NYC and DC and, perhaps, Atlanta for their huge populations. When it enters the fray, it will be looking east -- not to its western front -- where it remains underexposed. And, the Big Ten will be able to name what schools it wants since it will be the most desirable landing spot. There are already rumors that Duke and UNC would be targets besides the obvious ones about Notre Dame. North Carolina (a quickly growing market) is much more desirable than KC. Maryland or Virginia could also be targets as could be Georgia Tech or Rutgers. But, the Big Ten will have no shortage of desirable targets to its east where it wants to go.

The SEC and Pac are the conferences that could be interested in parts of the Big 12. Both want to expand their TV footprints rather than duplicate what they already have. That's why the ACC is in trouble once the more stable SEC and Big Ten come calling. Legitimate football schools will go first and if there's room the remaining elite basketball schools (i.e., KU) will find a home in the BCS (or whatever they will be called) superconferences or be cobbled together with other schools left behind that also hope to create a superconference others would recognize.

KU's future could depend on UT's decisions -- not whether or not UT drags KU along for the ride to the ACC, but because if UT stumbles there is a real opportunity for KU to fill a need. Meaning, the Pac will be staring straight at KU/Mizzou if UT doesn't jump on board. The SEC could come knocking if it can't get the ACC/Big East schools it wants, but that's no sure thing. KU's best choice would be if the Pac invites because arrogant UT won't commit. Grab that option and laugh all the way to the bank because you landed in a superconference that will accommodate the regional scheduling interests of its schools and provide a huge platform for TV exposure!

Randy Bombardier 8 years, 2 months ago

You are over-analyzing, trying to make a case for some East Coast school no doubt.

I am not stupid enough to believe that you are a true KU fan. I don't come on here and create a new account every time I want to make an argument.

Tell me, which Eastern AAU school do you think the Big10 will take?

Do you really believe that the Big10 will poach from a conference that is not falling apart?

Do you really think the Big will depart from being a Midwest conference?

Will the Big really take a Metro school? If you can be convincing on those points you can convince me that KU is not attractive enough to the Big. There are some who are not using your paradigm when they look at this process. Those will be people with a long-term "legacy" vision.

FreeRider 8 years, 2 months ago

I live in the heart of the Big Ten but don't care about the conference. I went to a Pac school and married a KU girl while we lived in KC. So, yeah, I do keep an eye on KU and hope it lands in a good spot.

Now, to answer your questions, the Big Ten wants to go east for good reason. That's where the eyeballs are and where they can add value to their upcoming TV deals. The SEC and Big Ten are examining (as the Big Ten did last year) ACC schools. Wilner has written that some ADs believe Duke and UNC (both AAU schools) would want to join the Big Ten. I've heard the same here in Columbus. That makes sense because they are the elite basketball schools in a growing North Carolina market. The Big Ten has always wanted Notre Dame to hammer down the NYC market. But, if ND doesn't join, then the Big Ten would likely grab a school close to NYC (maybe Rutgers) or the DC market (Maryland or Virginia). Each of those schools (except ND) are AAU members. They all make sense from a Big Ten point of view in that they are AAU schools in big markets that allow the conference to expand its TV footprint and generate even greater revenue.

KU does not offer what those schools do. It doesn't grab attention in major football TV markets, doesn't have a competitive football team to overcome what the other schools offer in football and it wouldn't be chosen over Duke and UNC if you focus on elite basketball programs as an alternative.

Would the Big Ten depart from being a Midwest conference? Yes, of course, it would because it needs the East eyeballs to generate more revenue from its greatest asset -- football! Plus, adding Tobacco Road would make it the elite basketball conference! That's what realignment is about: adding value to generate revenue, not to extend a helping hand to a school in need.

Will the Big Ten really take a metro school? It already focuses on the metro -- Philadelphia, Columbus, Detroit, Chicago, Indianapolis, Minneapolis and Milwaukee! That's why it wants to add more in NYC and DC.

Not sure I understand your "legacy" vision since you didn't elaborate, but if that's referring to KU being an elite basketball property I don't disagree. The problem for KU is that as the ACC is ripped apart by the SEC and Big Ten, even more elite basketball properties would be stronger fits for the Big Ten.

Here's the obvious question for you: if KU is such a desirable school for the Big Ten, why was there absolutely no mention of it last year when many thought Mizzou would be the natural fit and the Big Ten, instead, went with a national football power in Nebraska? If the Big Ten wanted another Big 12 school (which its commissioner has already stated it does not), it would be a Texas, Oklahoma or Mizzou.

KU's best hope for a "sustainable" BCS-type conference is the Pac and that probably only happens if UT turns an invite down again. If the Pac doesn't come knocking for KU, the best remaining option would likely be the Big East.

blackhawkjayhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

While people frequently criticize the Big 12 commissioner, here's my take on the other commissioners:

Pac 12 Takes a swing at a super conference, courts Texas and OU. Gets Utah and Colorado. Hmmmm.

SEC Picks up Texas A&M. Not exactly the prettiest girl at the dance.

Big 10 Picks up Nebraska. Not a bad pick-up. The only "addition" that has made any sense.

So......while everyone keeps talking about making a move, those that have done so have done little but weaken their conferences.

Keep the Big 12, maintain some sanity and require members to sign on for the long term.

utahjayhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

I think the jury's still out on how the comissioners will eventually rate out. I think Larry Scott appears to be a forward-thinker and I think that will benefit the PAC long term. I disagree and think that the pickup of A&M for the SEC is really a good one and opens up TX for the Southern schools.

Sam Constance 8 years, 2 months ago

How does having 1 Texas school, that doesn't fit into the established culture and identity of the SEC, really open the door for Texas recruiting for the SEC schools?

With no Texas schools, an extremely small number of Texas recruits go to the SEC. And by small, I mean single digits.

Do we really think the fact that those Texas kids--who currently stay in the geographic footprint that allows them to play in/near the state of Texas--are going to decide to start going out of that geographic footprint because they could potentially play one farging game in College Station?

That logic implies that the difference in landing a Texas-based recruit before and after A&M's inclusion into the conference is a single game. I have a feeling that the majority of the recruits, who currently choose, OVERWHELMINGLY, to stay "home", will continue to choose that option.

rob4lb 8 years, 2 months ago

You obviously don't know much about A&M. The passion of the fans, the game day environment, the massive stadium all have an SEC feel. From a culture standpoint, Aggies again fit better in the SEC. The culture in Aggieland is very conservative- live God, love Country, love the Aggies. Not alot of hippies in College Station.

Actually, several schools recruit well in Texas. I would bet that LSU and Arkansas have more than 10 Texans on their rosters.

A&M believes its recruiting will improve over UT because they can tell the 5 star players they will get an opportunity to be against the best teams in the SEC.

Sam Constance 8 years, 2 months ago

I don't think I questioned the passion of the fans, or made any value judgement whatsoever about A&M. Maybe A&M does "fit" better in the SEC, though I have to wonder about drawing a distinction in conservativism and religion between the South and the Midwest. Both regions are generally pretty heavy into both concepts (even if their versions are slightly different), it seems to me.

And it's currently a fact that most top recruits out of Texas don't go to the SEC. I don't remember the exact numbers, as I heard it on radio, but the number of top 200 football recruits that ended up in the SEC this past year was something tiny, like 8 or 9. I'm positive it was single-digits. Considering the number of football powers in the SEC, and the number of highly touted recruits coming out of Texas, that small of a number should be a hint that the overwhelming majority of Texas recruits are staying in conferences whose footprint is firmly in the state of Texas.

Of course, A&M will likely still recruit Texas fairly well, and they will bring several highly-rated Texas recruits to the conference with them, but my point is that I think the ability of other SEC schools to recruit Texas, just because A&M is in the conference, is being far overblown.

FreeRider 8 years, 2 months ago

Ummm, you are aware of the TV and other media contracts Larry Scott has negotiated for the Pac after it added Utah and Colorado -- right? No one in the Pac thinks his decisions "have done little but weaken" the conference. You might want to follow the news!

doctorWho 8 years, 2 months ago

Yep, it be about them there TV numbers and not the quality of football.

FreeRider 8 years, 2 months ago

Utah football looks pretty good to me -- just ask SC! CU has a ways to go, but it was a good fit for the conference. Net, the two new schools added quality. Adding OU and OSU would certainly add more.

pcutjayhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

We all need to remember this is about FOOTBALL! I hate to say it but basketball and the other sports are in the backseat. KU gets a little credit because we have one of the top three winnest basketball programs. If not for that, as others have posted, we'd be up a creek.

As far as travel goes for the other sports, I don't' know what will happen. No matter if we join the PAC, B1G, or the ACC, it's a lot more travel than what KU has now. Travel will not be an issue.

If the Big 12 stays together, they need to consider taking teams from both the east and the west. BYU and Air Force would be nice pick ups. Then, I say we poach Louisville and Cincinatti from the Big East. Forget ND and Arkansas. I don't even think about another Texas school is worth it. I know everyone wants TCU or Houston, but if TV money is driving this train, wouldn't we want new markets? Doesn't the Big 12 pretty much own TX already?

Matt, you are doing a great job keeping us all updated. Thank you.

hawksfan08 8 years, 2 months ago

If this were just about football then the #2 football conference in the country with the highest TV revenue per school would not be about split up. This is about ego. Nothing more, nothing less.

FreeRider 8 years, 2 months ago

It's about a conference of unequals that was bound to implode because of how the power structure was set up. That's why UT is objecting so loudly to joining almost any other conference -- it would have to be one of many making the decisions instead of running the show. Heck, there's no guarantee even the ACC would want UT in its midst; in fact, its commissioner said it was news to him the ACC was considering UT when he was asked that a little over a week ago.

As a Pac fan, I hope we don't add UT -- even if they enter like everyone else in the conference. They're too much maintenance to keep happy and toxic to conference cohesion. In the Pac, SC was a similar threat until Larry Scott made everyone a conference of equals. I hope OU and OSU join the Pac and Scott persuades KU and Mizzou to come along. Steer clear of the Texas B.S. and add a couple of schools that would be good conference partners instead.

utahjayhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

Thanks, Free. Put in a good word for us!

Sam Constance 8 years, 2 months ago

Didn't anyone tell you?

The "collapse" of KU's football program was in progress while Mangino was still here.

Sure, he had one fortune-rich run that we all enjoyed as fans. But it's pretty clear, given the lackluster results of the subsequent 2 years, that Mangino was the type of guy who could right the ship, but couldn't keep it afloat long-term.

I'm not advocating for Gill--who knows if he's the answer either--but I am so tired of reading the hindsight glorification of a football coach who was mediocre, had one great accomplishment/season, then resumed being mediocre.

The idea that Mangino's departure had any measurable affect on conference realignment, or that his continued presence at KU would put the Jayhawks in the driver's seat on this whole thing is beyond insanity.

Sam Constance 8 years, 2 months ago

You know, maybe you're right. In fact, I'm downright shocked that Bob Stoops has been able to succeed without his "Assistant Coach of the Year" sidekick.

By the way, do you--with your vastly superior knowledge of sports and natural ability to navigate the interwebz--happen to know who won Coach of the Year in 2000, the same year that Mangino won the Frank Broyles Award?

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

Wow - you'e inspired me to go listen to some of my Delirous? CD's. Have a happy day in your world.

doctorWho 8 years, 2 months ago

Yes, he did possess the gravity of a small planetoid . . .

wolfblanket 8 years, 2 months ago

Dude, you should be in stand-up! I'm serious. You don't see many people out there with your ability to understand that words can have more than one meaning! Great work!

Joe Ross 8 years, 2 months ago

I don't know if I agree with your point that Mangino's presence on campus would have circumvented the whole realignment issue; I mean, Gary Pinkell in Missouri doesn't make them immune, nor does Snyner at KState. Pellini's presence at Nebraska didn't keep them from getting plucked up and fed-exed to the Big Ten. However, I agree with your point that KU would have been better off in football by keeping Mangino at the helm. No question about that. Not only did he preside over the best season KU has had in football, but he lifted the program out of the worst of its history to do it. I just think it comes to this: Mangino's presence may have made us a more attractive option for other conferences who are looking over schools to pick up after the conference implodes.

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

AtlJaybird, they've found something they think is relevant and they will never let it go. Look at ...........crap.........I hate to even say it - Roy - he's been gone 9 years and people are still losing their minds over him.

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

Lol - I'm thinking it may be too late to not get you started, brother!

jhox 8 years, 2 months ago

You obviously didn't notice the lack of talent the big guy left his successor. Look at this years team. Nearly all of the most talented players on this years team are Gill recruits, and that's been done in one full and one abbreviated recruiting year. I'm not a Mangino basher. I'm thankful he gave me an Orange Bowl to attend, but the reality is he quit working as soon as he fielded a good team. I'm sure he thought a school with a bigger FB tradition would come calling, and it didn't happen.

jhox 8 years, 2 months ago

Where did I label Mangino mediocre? Where did I say he was a one shot wonder? I sat in that stadium every home game of his tenure, including his last season here. The talent level was dropping fast. Last year we were so slow it was painful to watch. You obviously have no ability to spot athletic talent, or you would recognize what little talent Gill inherited. You also obviously are too caught up in your own thoughts to bother to actually read what someone else has posted.

Joseph Kuebel 8 years, 2 months ago

Lol, his record of 4-21 vs big12 south opponents does speak for itself.

Good try, but not even close.

Fail.

-1000.

Your knowledge is self-evident.

Joseph Kuebel 8 years, 2 months ago

Your uncanny research ability to avoid the facts is one of a kind.

Joseph Kuebel 8 years, 2 months ago

In response to illbastaads hypocritical response sighting "longwinded and "self indulgence" self indulgency:

Mangino was fired after 2 poor seasons and a guaranteed 3rd season of terrible play/record. Do you not recall there were 11 players who said they would transfer? And I'm sure, in your omniscient head it wouldn't have affected recruiting either, right?

Perhaps you should utilize your impeccable internet knowledge extracting abilities to review Wikipedia and our record, or why he was fired. He was canned for a reason, buddy.

People are losing sight of the absolutes involved???? That's true. You are a Mangino fan, and his firing has absolutely nothing to do with the scenario we have today (or should I say the situation we are subjected to endure).

Nice, "voice of reason"!, all heed the omniscient one(whose hypocracy is evident on nearly every self indulgent point made)! I wish I could use pretentious vocab to make asinine remarks.

We wouldn't be in this situation with Mangino at the helm???? Lollll. Good joke. I guess 4-21 versus our opponents in the Big12 south would make us a 2 sport school... Perhaps you should research your internet sources to back up valid points that are made, instead of self-endulgent, hilarious posts.

"Let's not get off topic here"... Then talk about Mangino! Lol. Take an English class, they can teach you about a thesis statement and using research to validate your point.

I wonder how many times this joker used the thesaurus button!

Lol if we kept Mangino we wouldn't be in this position. Any true fan knows this was pretty funny. Are you Mangino's wife, omniscient one? Or are you really just that delusional??

canuckhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

The big rumor of the morning is that Sheahon is currently in the New England making the ol' "Harvard on the Kaw" pitch for KU to join the Ivy League. All the baristas and adderall addicts in Cambridge are talking about it.

Sources claim that the biggest barrier is the relative dearth of elbow patches and corduroy in Lawrence. This would be a huge land for KU. Come on Weavers...put in a monster order of smoking jackets, pronto.

Can't believe you missed that one Matt.

Joseph Kuebel 8 years, 2 months ago

If only we had kept Mangino, then we'd receive an offer to replace Cornell, cuz you know, "his record speaks for itself".

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

AND - if we would have kept Mongo - we would have $1.25 gasoline, there would be no unemployment, the ozone would be fixed, the Mid/Southwest would not be in a drought and we would have world peace.

And free twinkies for everyone.

LogicMan 8 years, 2 months ago

Not for long at 7 or less; we can easily add others who are eager to join. SMU, for example. But a quick merger of all or most of the MWC into the Big12+ would solve many issues.

LogicMan 8 years, 2 months ago

Yes, a downgrade no doubt. But we may have to bide our time waiting for a call. We should be lobbying for that call, but it is possible that the right phonecall won't come for some or all of us leftovers. Might as well start over and grow a new regional conference using those who want to move up in the world, and refugees from other bad situations.

Since the conference teams wouldn't be as challenging, we should schedule big name non-conference opponents throughout both the FB and BB seasons.

Joe Ross 8 years, 2 months ago

I want to go out on a limb and say that Matt Tait's reporting on conference realignment news/possibilities is the BEST reporting I've ever seen on this site, bar NONE! I've been a reader here for a long time (more than five years, anyway) and I know there have been some good writers. In fact, Tait's reporting here has even outdone his own earlier great reporting on other news subjects. Hard to do.

kusports is really lucky to have Tait on board. Keep up the good work, Matt! Your efforts are much appreciated!!!

FlintHawk 8 years, 2 months ago

I've been thinking the same thing as I search the 'net in vain for news. Kudos to you for sayin' it and not just thinkin' it!

In other words: +1,000,000

denverjayhaw 8 years, 2 months ago

I know all the focus has been on football but I found it interesting to finallly see an article talking about the strength and brand recognition of KU basketball and how we could benefit a conference.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=jn-king_kansas_hoops_would_fit_pac12_090611

I also find it odd that KU is mentioned as Big 12 bottom feeder, on several sites, when we are the third highest in revenue sharing in the Big 12.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/2094/how-the-big-12-teams-rank-in-revenue-sharing-funds

FLJHK 8 years, 2 months ago

Great articles. Thanks for posting them.

Bear86 8 years, 2 months ago

Reports out of Oklahoma have OU & OSU going to the Pac. Hopefully we can tag along or get an invite to the B1G (unlikely but wishful thinking). Thanks alot Texas! Way to F-Up a good conference. The Big 12 is dead. F-Texas!!

Michael Luby 8 years, 2 months ago

I think it would be Great if KU went to the ACC with UNC and Duke there! THat would be an absolute Killer basketball conference and the history behind all three programs is Legendary!

jay381 8 years, 2 months ago

The great tradition of KU would never, ever be more than a third class addition in the image of the ACC bluebloods. Sorry, if a viable option I still see KU in the Pac xx. With our tradition in bb and that of UCLA we will be a leader in the Pac xx, not a late addition afterthought in the ACC. Just my opinion but I really do not like the Big East (already unstable) or the egotistical attitudes of the ACC (and a couple of football defections mentioned would make that group unstable also). Regardless of how much we dislike it the football money is driving this bus. It just does not make sense to me if we can get an invitation to a conference that has stable football not to pursue it. KU then needs to upgrade the football program big time.

I really do think one of the most hilarious ideas I have heard is TX to the ACC. I can only imagine the first time those schools meet Bevo running on to the field.

Matt Gauntt 8 years, 2 months ago

Matt,

I've been reading your updates for the last week or so and it is by far the best coverage out there. I don't go to ESPN, CBS Sportsline, etc., etc. I just come and read what Tait says, and I know what's going on. Thanks for the great coverage.

justinryman 8 years, 2 months ago

Now that I live on the outskirts of Big12 country and in the suburbs of the B1G, here in Omaha, it is funny how following this on local radio is a day or two behind Matt's work. Perhaps I should send them the link to his articles each day??

To play the wheel of odds today:

Big12--35% Big East--20% ACC--13% PAC12--12% Big 10--11% SEC--9%

Yeah i got no clue really, it's hard to take what someone from Missouri says with a grain of salt. It really lies on what OU wants to do to get out from Bevos shadow.

Tony Bandle 8 years, 2 months ago

It's time for a hiaku:

Realignment sucks

North is South and West is East

Ago was better

Andy Tweedy 8 years, 2 months ago

It's always time for a haiku! It's the only form of poetry that can keep my attention from start to finish!!!

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

While I can't get too excited about any poetry unless it starts with " There once was a man from Nantucket....." - OR - " Roses are red, violets are blue...." I appreciate you guys' creativity, so please keep up the good work.

I did want to note though - it's not really a " haiku " - it's a "HIGH KU !"

Steve Brown 8 years, 2 months ago

kite with light twine & sturdy tail soars

seeds sprout in spring after heavy winter snow

paths unused become overgrown

all rivers end in the great sea

many bring own weather

light follows darkness

what will come, begins at Late Night

rockie chalkie, ghao kay hu

Randy Bombardier 8 years, 2 months ago

We continue to be way too trusting. Three teams are out the door and we are going to sit tight believing that two more (at least) are not planning their exit? How gullible are we going to be?

ParisHawk 8 years, 2 months ago

Where's lighthawk? I want another episode of Bevo and BoomerHead! Better laugh than cry.

Steve Brown 8 years, 2 months ago

Ring Ring..

Hello. Boomer, it's Bevo. What now Bevo? I've been thinkin' and I'm goin' to do you a favor and keep the Big 12 alive, you don't need to leave. Do I need to remind you we created more jobs here than all the other 49 states combined. Sorry Bevo, we're packin up and headed out. Listen, we've enjoyed voting with you the past few years to keep Corndawg in his place, but he flew the coup. Staying here as your 2nd to squeeze Tech, Ames and Waco just lost it's appeal. Boomerhead, you know we have all kinds of options and conferences that want us, heck we could go solo, but we've studied the options and seriously we're stayin' put, don't mind what Aggie told you, he's just bitter. Tell you what, if you stay we will give you Beebee's cell number, promise. How you going to replace the red river rivalry? Bevo you are so full of yourself, no other conference wants you, not that you aren't a freezer full of beef, just that you are too heavy. Read Napolean, the Waterloo chapter. Now Boomerhead, we've been pals a long time we go way back. No Bevo, we have been competitor friends with Corndawg a long time, you don't have any friends, call Rice, TCU, SMU even Houston they all miss your cash but are happier in a simplier life sort of way. I just spoke to Razorback, they calim the happiest day of their life was getting out from under your hoof. We only played at the state fair each year to show how you can be beat. Boomerhead we have Dell, Lake Austin, 6th street, Cisco's for breakfast, the Arboretum, and hey Boomer, are you still there, did you put me on hold. come back here now.

Hey get Razorback Jerry on the line. Tell him next year his Dallas stadium will start home and away series with UCLA and USC alternating every year to double check the payouts and mum is the word.

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin' Keep movin', movin', movin', Though they're disapprovin' Keep them doggies movin' Rawhide!

Don't try to understand 'em, just rope and throw and grab them. Soon we'll be livin high and wide. Boy my hearts calculatin' My true love will be waitin', be waitin' at the end of my ride.

Move 'em up, head 'em out, Head 'em up, move 'em out, move 'em on, head 'em out Rawhide!

Graczyk 8 years, 2 months ago

Even Missouri beat writers are horrible. Must be something in the water.

TKHAWK 8 years, 2 months ago

Matt,

I think after last summer, before all the A&M and OU events, we all would have agreed that the most likely weak link for defection would have been Mizzou. I agree that you have to take Deaton's words with a grain of salt, but he seems to really be expressing that the best thing for the remaining schools is to somehow stay together. I'm not saying he knows something we don't, but he seems to have an undertone of understanding that a bid by the Big 10 is doubtful and even to the SEC may be blocked by A&M (if they have some agreement that the SEC not bring in a Big 12 school as the 14th), and seems to really be sincere when he says, the best outcome is for us to stick together. Would you agree? Do you get a sense out of your Mizzou conections that they are truly committed to the conference this time, or are they just saying that for now and as soon as another offer comes in they are out the door right behind A&M and OU?

Joseph Kuebel 8 years, 2 months ago

Deaton is getting paid as chairman of the big 12... His job is to keep the big 12 together and I'm certain his salary would take a hit if(well when) the conference fails.

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 2 months ago

Matt, Maybe not everyone appreciates your hardwork in this area. I must say that this is bigger news than this week's football game. I must also say you've done a good job of covering both stories.

I'm actually impressed with the extra effort you are putting into this. However, some type of gut check on my part, thinks that you kind of enjoy doing it.

Thanks

FLJHK 8 years, 2 months ago

Touche!

Many thanks for your great work on this, Matt.

Josh Galler 8 years, 2 months ago

what about if KU goes to Big East, ACC, BIg 10 or Pac 12 for FB BB, WBB and baseball since those are top revenue sports and for the non-top revenue sports we go into Conf USA. Are rowing team is under the Conf USA flag. That could help ease the traveling costs

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 2 months ago

Pretty impressive, Matt had that in his update at 3:29, about an hour before the usatoday had it noted.

JayHawkFanToo 8 years, 2 months ago

David Bore, OU president likely will decide the future of the conference.

Interesting to know that he left Washington because of allegations that he "harassed" male staffers. I understand that pretty much everyone in Oklahoma knows of his proclivity.

Ironic that the most manly of men sports will be decided by the least manly of men and hypocrite at that...

Steve Brown 8 years, 2 months ago

memo to Paris, you wanted an update, check above. sorry for the dribble it's all I got.

ParisHawk 8 years, 2 months ago

Good stuff light, you and Matt stay on that bull don't let'im toss ya.

Next time don't put it in a reply, replies get hidden in the middle. I had to hunt you up.

You're from KU you have to know how to dribble ;)

Spencer Goff 8 years, 2 months ago

I really thought you were better than that.

pepper_bar 8 years, 2 months ago

Thanks for not doing a video with Keegs today. Keegan has no idea what's going on with realignment.

I'm not seeing anyone addressing the elephant in the room for KU -- they can't afford to leave the Big XII. The exit fee would be eight figures; if KU had eight figures of money to play with in the athletic department, the Gridiron Club would have been built two years ago. Why is nobody talking about the trap KU's in?

DevilHawk 8 years, 2 months ago

KU won't move until after Oklahoma and Texas do so.

When it does, I have little doubt that KU's share of the exit fees from CU, Nebraska, A&M, Oklahoma, and UT would more than cover what KU would owe.

Matt,

Is it possible for you or Jesse to look into what amounts would probably be involved in such a scenario?

Also, as always, the coverage has been superb.

pepper_bar 8 years, 2 months ago

I'd love to believe that, but I don't.

dynamitehawk 8 years, 2 months ago

Is a pi$$ing contest decided by who can pee the farthest (Colorado b/c of the thin air), the longest (Texas b/c it's big), most yellow (OK OKst...for several reason mainly for teeth, though), or hardest (neb...default)?

I hope we can have at least one conference game within driving distance.... We will land in the BCS.

Spencer Goff 8 years, 2 months ago

This is for the homies:

Somebody brought up the prospect of KU not being able to afford the buyout to leave the conference.

Our finances are fine athletically, but in case you were wondering where schools are at economically, check out this site:

http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/

First off, it might shock you how well we are doing. And that is considering we have a small football stadium, our team last season was hardly elite, so it can easily get bigger.

Second, it might shock you how elite our basketball program is. I know, shocking right....

Third, there are currently schools in the Pac 12 with absolutely pitiful athletic revenue. So I am ridiculously tired of hearing about those elite programs and what they offer. Really, Washington State is just bringing in the house in their conference? Seriously, cut the crap. I think I just threw up a little.

Also, notice that Colorado is LOSING money, yet the Pac 12 chose them? I mean, I guess it makes sense when you don't think about it. They command the Denver area so much they are losing money? Even the Nuggets are making money.

Search your favorite programs, see how it stacks up to our 10 million over expenses revenue stream. Yeah, tell me again how the KU athletic department is broke. Make sure you look up Mizzou, Kansas State, and every team in the Pac 12.

For the first time in my life I will make a totally biased statement: University of Kansas kicks ass! Suck it Trebek!

DevilHawk 8 years, 2 months ago

Appreciate the link, but those numbers are from 04-05 - which means that they are from before the housing bubble burst and our economy went to hell.

Spencer Goff 8 years, 2 months ago

Actually, no. I used that site because it has a nice search engine associated with it.

Our 2011 profit margin was 11 million, second in the Big 12 behind Texas.

Check out this link:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmoney/2011/03/20/whos-making-money-in-big-12-football/

One thing that will stand out is that the schools that were making money in 2004-05 are the ones making money today.

And as far as the economy thing; historically Americans bitch about our money woes, solve it by failing to pay mortgages, and yet we still find the money for tickets, beers, and cable television. It's a strange world we live in.

lee3022 8 years, 2 months ago

Good read. KU basketball is #1 in the nation for basketball ticket revenues. Ku also made $10M - more than Texas - in net income over expenses.

At KU basketball revenues fund the non-revenue sports. That is usually football's job. In another conference (ACC) we would have better success in football and could contend in a few years (likely what Texas is thinking) while still playing against elite basketball programs.

pepper_bar 8 years, 2 months ago

"This is the most detailed, publicly available database of college athletic department financial information ever assembled. It came from forms required by the NCAA for the 2004-05 school year..."

...and I stopped reading.

...and you've provided nothing to indicate that KU can afford the buyout.

Spencer Goff 8 years, 2 months ago

Yeah, making 10-11 million a year would indicate that KU cannot afford a buyout that is estimated 15 million. You are right, KU is broke like Colorado.

Especially since that time frame our profit margin has gone up. We are probably going to have to file Chapter 13 with Quiznos next month.

pepper_bar 8 years, 2 months ago

Now you're just making up numbers and inventing far-flung scenarios.

Spencer Goff 8 years, 2 months ago

Google "exit fees for Big 12 conference," and look at the previous site for current Forbes articles regarding where KU sits in revenue.

There be troll in here.

Ervin O'Neal 8 years, 2 months ago

Interesting site. But I'm note sure how much effort is put in by the schools reporting on themselves to ensure accuracy and consistency between institutions. Even the site said "schools still differ in how they report certain information. For example, some placed all contributions in the "non-program specific" category, while others broke them down by football, men's basketball, etc."

For example, Facilities Maintenance is a category that varies greatly within the Big 12. KU was the lowest at $2.3 million while TT was at the top of the schools listed with over $16 million.in expense. That is a huge difference.

Total Recruiting ranged from $1.1 million for UT to $535K for MU. There could be a lot of inconsistency in how the use of donor's personal planes are reported as recruiting expense, contributions, etc.

Personally, I think it is great that KU appears financially stable. But from a competitive standpoint, I would rather have $7 million in profits after spending $82 million like UT than have $10 million in profits after spending just $40 milllion like KU.

Spencer Goff 8 years, 2 months ago

The point of the post was not to see how we are spending our money. Somebody put forth the idea that our athletic department is broke, and it isn't close to being destitute.

As you said, we have room for improvement, and getting back to at least a moderately successful football program that sells tickets can do that.

There can be a presumed correlation between dollars spent and interest level, can we agree on that? The more people like something the more they spend money on it. There are no signs to indicate that KU is not a high interest athletic department. And there is room to grow.

To sum up what I am getting at: KU can afford to leave this conference, even IF there are enough members to actually enforce the exit fee. We only seem to get it reported that we don't have a lot of TV sets watching KU games. Yet the dollar signs associated with our athletic department would indicate otherwise. Who do you believe, other schools like Colorado telling you how awesome they are, or incoming dollars?

blackhawkjayhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

What many posters continue to omit is the fact that the Big 12 offers more money than the others conferences. Colorado is not making any more. A&M is not making anymore. Utah - well I'm sure they are making more. The commissioner of the Pac 12 blew it, he went for the gusto and just got the so-so. SEC - ditto.

I've never seen such irrational decisions made, again and again. Welcome to Wonderland, Alice - things just get curiouser and curiouser.

Stay strong Kansas. These dips who think that by being in a conference with Stanford will make them like Stanford are fools. Those that think being in a conference with Alabama will make them Alabama are also fools.

UCLA, Cal Berkeley, Stanford, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Which two don't belong? This stuff would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that some idiot at a television network would actually pay for this stuff. Scott a great commish? He's taken a once great academic and athletic conference and added two also-rans with no television. But extra wives if you need them.

There is only one conference move that would make any sense at all for KU - to the Big Ten. I'd prefer not play those cheese-eatin', tattoo tradin', notre dame lovin' misfits in anything but rust-belt poker.

Yes...I've been drinkin. I'm sure that this will all make more sense in the morning.

ejlumus 8 years, 2 months ago

Please mangino why is the pac superior to the b12????

KU fan from 1962. Live and die with Hawks.

I now live in Seattle follow the pac and Huskies religiously so don't blow any smoke up my a$$, the autopsy would not be accurate.

Sam Constance 8 years, 2 months ago

Tradition doesn't count.

But "mascot quality" does.

Riiiiiiiiiight. Get lost troll.

Sam Constance 8 years, 2 months ago

If you say so. Seems like you're backtracking to me.

Which part was the "joke"? Including mascot quality in your list, or the side note about tradition not counting?

lee3022 8 years, 2 months ago

The realignment website linked above is interesting. Texas to ACC and OU to PAC and A&M to SEC each need an offsetting partner to keep even numbers for scheduling.

So OSU goes with OU. to PAC 14

MU goes with A&M to SEC

KU goes with UT. to ACC

This makes sense and allows the remaining schools Tex Tech, Baylor, K-State and Iowa State to scramble to reform a conference or join other lesser conferences. Will the Texas regents allow UT to leave without TT? Will the Kansas regents allow KU to leave without K-State? All interesting questions.

Travis Clementsmith 8 years, 2 months ago

The problem is just because it makes "balance sense" doesn't necessarily mean it makes sense for a specific school. For example, if Texas agrees to go ACC, they're going to want a regional pod to cut down on travel costs. This won't be entirely up to Texas who could suggest four Texas schools. The ACC might say, we want MU, KU and KSU instead.

Same with OU, they're really stuck on an island without regional travel partners, so if it isn't Texas, then KU-MU becomes the priority.

In the SEC they're concerned about the regional split, so they may want a more eastern school to balance A&M against.

DCJayhawk0208 8 years, 2 months ago

Like Florida State.

Then the ACC is down 1 and could add KU, UT and Mizzou. Regional ties, plus the conference would then have two of the greatest rivalries in sports (right up there, in my opinion, with Army-Navy and Michigan-Notre Dame).

They could also go with an unbalanced FB schedule and add Georgetown to push the rivalries meme (Maryland-Georgetown would then have to rival Duke-UNC and Ku-Mizzou).

texashawk10 8 years, 2 months ago

SEC won't add a school already in their geographic footprint which makes FSU, GT, and Clemson non-factors in the SEC. They would love to get into the two North Carolina markets, but UNC and Duke are too good academically to leave the ACC which means NC State is in a good position to get an SEC invite. Virginia Tech and West Virginia are good athletically, but don't bring in significant TV markets. Missouri would add a couple of good markets as well so I think that the 14th SEC team will either be Missouri or NC State.

JakeBarnes 8 years, 2 months ago

If plans are being made by OU and OSU to leave the Big 12 don't you think KU, MU, KSU, ISU, Baylor, Texas, TTU are all asking around about membership in other conferences? Maybe not Texas since as a national power they can do what they want to do. Too bad BB isn't the driving force then KU would be in catbird seat.

AcesWild 8 years, 2 months ago

it,s all about MONEY !! they don,t wanna pay the buy-out, and all the other money collected !! {thats the south for you}..

JakeBarnes 8 years, 2 months ago

If OU and OSU go to the PAC 12 look for Texas to go independent. They have learned the advantages of such a move from Notre Dame and BYU. They can play top 25 teams and fill the stadium while continuing the Red River shoot out.

I liked the idea of someone who wanted to tax these business enterprises.

Gary McCullough 8 years, 2 months ago

Dodd has it right regarding the Regents at Texas and A&M. Perry appoints his political supporters to the Boards of Regents for all the university systems in TX. They are all business types that pony up a $1M for the reelection campaign. They don't have a clue. And it isn't just athletics that is circling the drain in TX. The whole educational system from K to PhD is crashing around our ears.

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