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Realignment Today: 7:47 p.m. - Missouri curators authorize Brady Deaton to explore MU's options

7:47 p.m. Update:

Well, after four-plus hours, Missouri's board of curators officially authorized MU chancellor Brady Deaton to explore the school's options for moving to another conference or staying in the Big 12.

This certainly isn't ground-breaking news, but it's not the news the Big 12 would've loved to hear, which would've been that the Tigers are happy in the Big 12 and staying put.

That still could be the outcome, but, for now, we'll have to keep waiting on Mizzou.

Here's a recap of the press conference that followed the meeting.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/35204/mizzou-takes-next-steps-out-of-big-12

In related news, Deaton resigned his post as the chairman of the Big 12's board of directors.

I wouldn't read too much into that move. Sources have said that if Deaton were given the power to negotiate for a new conference, he likely would step down from that position because of a conflict of interest.

It will be interesting to see who replaces him but that's the least of the league's concerns right now.

It's great that we know what they're thinking over there in Columbia, Mo., but, really, do we know much more than we did this morning? We're still waiting on Mizzou to make a decision and the Tigers have said that they have no time table for such an announcement.

Fear not, says Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas: “Missouri is a member in good standing in the Big 12, and I anticipate will continue to be a member of the Big 12.”

Stay tuned...

5:55 p.m. Update:

Missouri curators heading into fourth hour... Seriously. Important to remember that this meeting is not only about conference affiliation, but still.... Wow.

Care to watch? Komo.com is streaming the meeting live right now.

http://www.komu.com/streaming-newscast/

2:12 p.m. Update:

More sign that point to Mizzou staying in the Big 12 are starting to pop up. As mentioned earlier, it is expected that MU's board of curators will give Mizzou chancellor Brady Deaton full authority to handle conference affiliation at today's meeting.

However, that does not necessarily mean that MU is going anywhere.

Just found out that the meeting is actually taking place in St. Louis, not Columbia.

Here's a report from the Tennessean that quotes Vanderbilt vice chancellor David Williams as saying the SEC has nothing lined up for a 14th team.

http://blogs.tennessean.com/vanderbilt/2011/10/04/complete-qa-with-vanderbilt-vice-chancellor-david-williams/

And here's this from Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports, who says the Big 12 needs interim commissioner Chuck Neinas more than Neinas needs the Big 12.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15680314/neinas-doesnt-need-big-12-as-much-as-big-12-needs-him

I'll bring links and info about what's said at MU's meeting when it becomes available.

Stay tuned...

9:41 a.m. Update:

Folks following the realignment fiasco have known for some time that today would be a big day regarding the Missouri Tigers and their ongoing decision to stay in the Big 12 or bolt for the SEC.

Missouri's board of curators meets today with realignment being one of the most likely and most interesting topics. While opinions and reports have gone both ways regarding MU staying put or leaving, don't expect a final decision to come today.

We may get closer to an outcome and it may become clearer what the Tigers are going to do, but it's most likely that the board simply will authorize MU chancellor Brady Deaton to fully represent the university in realignment conversations, much the same way both OU and UT did a couple of weeks ago with their presidents.

Despite reports from folks who cover the SEC saying the Tigers are headed south, I continue to believe MU will stay in the Big 12. Different sources I've talked to in the past week have indicated that MU is leaning toward returning to the conference. It's likely that the Tigers are doing their due diligence by fully exploring the opportunity in the SEC and perhaps even more likely that this whole deal has been nothing more than a charade by a university wanting people to tell it it's loved. Maybe both.

Mike DeArmond, of The Kansas City Star, says one of the hot topics at today's curators meeting will go beyond weighing the pros and cons of the two leagues and two outcomes. The Tigers today will likely discuss whether they can or should trust the new Big 12. http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/03/3185178/whether-to-trust-big-12-is-at.html

While we wait for more news regarding Mizzou, here are a few links to get you up to speed on the decision the Tigers are facing.

Here's an interesting article from the folks at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, who offer up a few quick and different thoughts on what the Tigers might do. http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/round-two/article_99476bc0-edff-11e0-b4f3-001a4bcf6878.html

No differing opinions here from ESPN.com's David Ubben, who writes why the Tigers should stay in the Big 12. http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/35064/why-missouri-should-stay-in-the-big-12

Here's a brief overview from the Columbia Tribune of what today's meeting could include. http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011/oct/03/um-curators/

And, finally, a quick recap from the Austin American-Statesman's Kevin Lyttle, who says that Monday's revenue-sharing announcement from the Big 12 may have been an attempt by the league to entice Mizzou to stick around. http://www.statesman.com/sports/collegefootball/big-12-trying-to-hang-onto-missouri-offers-1893736.html

Comments

baldwinjhawk 3 years, 1 month ago

Yawn... Mizzou throws themselves again at someone else, it's virginia tech that gets to gets married this time. Jilted again mizzuckers...

joshar 3 years, 1 month ago

Back at it again Matt. Keep up the good work.

jhawkrulz 3 years, 1 month ago

Mizzou is gone...they are just trying to figure out how much it will cost and if they can afford it.

ParisHawk 3 years, 1 month ago

They just don't want anyone bothering them during the iPhone announcement.

bradynsdad 3 years, 1 month ago

I would love to read a topic anyday now that the big 12 has extended an offer to a school. Any school, I just want to see progress. Matt help us! I know were not sitting on our hands but I also know the last one to the dinner table gets scraps if anything at all.

AlecRaenos 3 years, 1 month ago

Waiting on Missouri. Im sure that whoever we offer will be made as soon as Missouri makes a decision.

The longer it takes, the more I think its likely Missouri is leaving and is prolonging things to make it tougher on the Big 12 for the future. One last "eff you" to the conference before they bolt.

142466 3 years, 1 month ago

B12 probably has already informally extended invitation(s). The invitees are waiting for MU's decision. As Missouri goes, so goes the nation.

bville_hawk 3 years, 1 month ago

"As Missouri goes, so goes the nation."

Now that's a scary statement no matter what the circumstances!

jhawkrulz 3 years, 1 month ago

Technically speaking the Big XII will never offer any school. A school will apply for membership and the Big XII will accept or deny the request. This is for litigation purposes. I don't think this will happen until they get the remaining schools as the ones that vote, so before they have that type of accept/deny they need to know which schools are in/out.

Personally, I still think ATM, MU, OU, OSU will be in the SEC by the end of the year. Shortly thereafter the Big XII will dissolve.

Hank Cross 3 years, 1 month ago

Has anyone done the math to figure out how much KU will gain/lose by Tier 1 and 2 revenue sharing? It seems that the BB appears on TV more than anyone else's BB team in the B12. Will the splitting of that revenue be off-set by money paid to televise UT and OU games?

Benjamin Piehler 3 years, 1 month ago

I think we have a separate contract with ESPN for hoops, which might fall under Tier 3.... I could be mistaken though.

rob4lb 3 years, 1 month ago

I posted the revenue by school for 2009-10 below and in that year, KU would have lost $2M if revenue was shared equally. I have to think, however, given the sad performance of the football team, that the revenue last year was nearer to the average and probably this year it will be below average.

chalky 3 years, 1 month ago

Everyone who's gettin on get on. Everyone who's gettin off get off....Welcome home, or dont let the door hit ya on the way out. The conference will survive in some form with teams who feel its in their best interests, to be here.

Benjamin Piehler 3 years, 1 month ago

I really don't think Mizzou wants LSU, Bama and Arkansas in their division, despite the SEC TV deals. Could be wrong, but it seems awfully risky to me.

54Jayhawks 3 years, 1 month ago

Either way, I've got two words...Muck Fizzou!

Goose_88 3 years, 1 month ago

Agree with you Matt that all they're going to do is give Deaton authority to make decisions. However, MU could and should use this time to make true change in the set up of this conference or bolt. Yes, the conference came out and said they have revenue sharing for tier 1 and 2 and will sign away TV rights for 6 years. That is hardly a confidence builder but it’s a step. MU could put the line in the sand and go for true change. Why not stand for some of the following: - 15 years of TV rights for those wanting to leave - All tier revenue sharing (or 3rd tier split share – school keeps 50% and shares the rest) - No high school games or highlights - (1) non-conf football game on tier 3 - (1) reg season football game (split revenue from game 50/50) on tier 3 - School must make strides for AAU membership within 7yrs - Move conf headquarters to OKC

After all of that, they look at adding Louisville, TCU, and BYU for 12 teams with the possible forward thinking to add WVU, Air Force, Cincy, and South Florida / Rutgers.

Thoughts?

Vernon Riggs 3 years, 1 month ago

Keep Tier 3 Money for the school at 100%. The developed it; they should keep it. The key will be to limited the content of Tier 3 Money. There should not be High School sports on the Tier 3 channels. Tier 3 content should be the leftovers of Tier 1 and 2. If a game has been passed over by Tier 1 and 2 providers then it's fair game. Put all of the women's sports and non-revenue sports on Tier 3 outlets if they want them.

Forget the AAU Membership. K-State, OSU, Tech, Cincy, Louisville are never getting AAU status.

Hire the new Comish and move the HQ to best location to recruit the right guy. OKC, KC, Des Moines, St. Lou, Dallas, SA, Houston, Louisville are okay locations.

rob4lb 3 years, 1 month ago

Did anyone see this in the KC Star? Interesting. Remember, it's for 2009-10. KU was ranked in football during the first part of the football season.

2009-10 payouts

Kansas $12,116,857 Texas $12,048,365 Oklahoma $11,214,630 Okla. St. $10,692,725 Missouri $10,395,893 Baylor $10,228,970 AVERAGE $10,136,406 Texas Tech $9,689,068 K-State $9,428,315 Nebraska $9,334,548 Texas A&M $9,265,582 Iowa State $8,896,242 Colorado $8,325,680 TOTAL $121,636,875 Sources: Tulsa World, IRS Form 990

Phoghorn 3 years, 1 month ago

I thought that the big day in Columbia was when KU closed out the Hearnes Center. Or was it when KU closed out Brewer Fieldhouse? Now I am confused...

On a serious note, many props to Mr. Tait for keeping us informed. This is BAR NONE the best source of news on realignment that I have found.

Phoghorn 3 years, 1 month ago

Correction, the big day is the one every year when they sell out The Paige.

Brian Skelly 3 years, 1 month ago

Look, Id prefer if Mizzou stayed. But I dont blame them for wanting out.

What will irk me however, is if it turns out this is the same playbook run during the "were going to the Big 10" scenario. Talk about a vanity play.

The Big 12 is better with Mizzou in it, but it wont sink the conference, assuming reasoned and fairly aggressive expansion takes place.

Im a lot more concerned about the length of the Tier 1/2 rights shared agreement... 5 to 6 years... are @#$@T%$%@ kidding me? If its not at least 10, KU needs to start looking elsewhere as well. It should be 10 to 20. Other conferences have this arrangement already.

No one should feign shock and horror about Mizzou wanting to leave. If I were them (and they legitimately have a chance) they should go. If this is just another vanity play though, they seriously just need to @$@% @($ @$@% @$!!!!

Steve Brown 3 years, 1 month ago

correct, other conf. have 20 years. We are so vulnerable.

It needs to be 10 yrs. or even if 6 let it roll over and renew every year unless an institution opts out in writing.

Hank Cross 3 years, 1 month ago

If KU is going to get a cut of all Tier 1 and 2 games, wouldn't it make more sense to add Boise than L'Ville? Boise/OU is a Tier 1 for sure and so is probably Boise/UT. Boise vs. MU, OSU and Baylor are Tier 2s. I don't you'd get the same amount of money-making games out of L'Ville.

texashawk10 3 years, 1 month ago

There is a predetermined number of games that ESPN/ABC has to broadcast in football and basketball as tier 1 games. It doesn't matter who is in the conference because ESPN/ABC has to show the number of games agreed upon in the contract with the Big 12.

chalmers08 3 years, 1 month ago

Let Mizzou go the conference is going to stay together if they go I think its safe to say that everyone is sick of the games that Mizzou is playing with all of this. They need to be pampered and shown some love. If they ever won anything they wouldnt have this issue with needing loving. Let them go and add Louisville,BYU,TCU and Cincy to get back up to 12 there is alot more stability there.

Tuck 3 years, 1 month ago

Missouri, the SEC only wants you because of your TV market....no other reason!

Missouri is getting better in football, but in reality they would get KILLED in the SEC! I could care less which way they decide to go but they need to do whats best for their students and their students families.

chalmers08 3 years, 1 month ago

Missouri is just going to drag this out to make it tougher for the conference to move forward.

Brian Skelly 3 years, 1 month ago

Again, its stability. Mizzou will soon find out that Florida, Alabama, LSU run things the same way UT does here. The difference is, they at least realize they have the power, but are willing to share the spoils as well.

I've got no beef with Mizzou leaving, other than Id personally like them to stay. I think we are still better with Mizzou than any individual additions. I think we'll stableize if we go up to 12 regardless.

If the revenue sharing agreements dont go for more than those few years -- 6, are you kidding me? -- than we should look to move on as well. I cant envision anyone would think otherwise either.

The short time frame on revenue sharing, and the seeming unwillingness of UT to want to truly expand -- they want to stick to 9 or 10 schools is a bigger red flag to me than anything the LHN is and represents. If we dont go to 12 at least, the Big 12 days are still as numbered to day as they were 2 years ago.

I cant be the only one here who thinks this.

jgkojak 3 years, 1 month ago

Ten Reasons Mizzou Would Be Stupid To Leave B12

  1. They will essentially abandon KC, ensuring KC loses B12 tournament, and pissing off KC fan base and KC-based media - good luck recruiting KC area Football

  2. No one cares about SEC basketball, especially your KC area recruits who are exposed to MU via watching KU win championships - good luck recruiting KC area Basketball

  3. Is Missouri a Southern state or a Midwestern state? Time to finally decide? Which would you rathe be?

  4. I guess this makes your rivalry with the "Land of Lincoln" more interesting, since you'll be giving up one of the best rivalries in college sports history.

  5. Speaking of.. abandoning a 100+ year rivalry with Kansas that's about more than football and basketball.

  6. Bye-bye Texas. Gonna have a hard time convincing your players out of Texas their families will get to see them play multiple times (A&M doesn't count).

  7. How much time, really, do you expect the KC media to spend covering the SEC? Ask KC area Nebraska fans (#4 in fan support behind MU, KU and KSU) how much time they spend on the B10.

  8. How often do you expect MU to break through the clutter of at least 10-12 more established SEC teams to get on the basketball and football schedules as marquee match-ups?

  9. Doesn't everyone really want to be in the Big 10? Isn't that what started all this in the first place? If the 4x16 team conferences develop, with Pitt out of the picture in the ACC, Mizzou seems guaranteed a spot in an AAU-required 16 team B10. (Kansas too). You think the B10 wants to take you once you've been tainted by the SEC? And you think you could afford the SEC's exit penalties when all is said and done?

  10. You may do marginally better in basketball, but prepare for your football team to become another Kentucky, not another Tennessee and certainly not an LSU or even Arkansas. Mizzou, which is in the middle of the B12, will be in the bottom of the SEC pecking order. There will be no championship games, no title matches vs. Florida. If you believe there will be you are delusional. Just like MU if they really think they're wanting the SEC.

LogicMan 3 years, 1 month ago

On your 2.:

I had read that the SEC has no exit fees. Is that correct?

Do they have long term assignment of TV rights?

I agree that MU's chance of joining the Big 10 in the future plummets if they go to the SEC. Better to stay in the Big 12 and work on a MU/KU-rivalry package deal (and maybe KSU and ISU too) for the Big 10.

texashawk10 3 years, 1 month ago

SEC shares tier 1 and tier 2 equally, schools keep 100% of tier 3 revenue, no exit fees, no grant in rights. They can do this because they already make more money than anyone else except for B1G schools and there is no threat of schools leaving the conference.

Vernon Riggs 3 years, 1 month ago

They assign Tier 1 and Tier 2 money to the SEC

trey 3 years, 1 month ago

MU is gone and it's understandable. Though it's bad for KU on all fronts (further weakens Big12, loss of historic rival, economic impact on KC, hurts KU's chance to go to the B1G with MU combo), if we had an equivalent option I would want KU to exit the Big12 immediately.

Translation - If KU was being courted by either the B1G or PAC, I'd want us to go and would be extremely dissappointed if we didn't. Reason...

The Big12 is NOT showing bold enough reform to make it viable in the long-run...

The equal revenue sharing is only a "minor" give. It moves approx. 2M/yr from a few schools at the top (KU, TX, OU) to a few schools at the bottom (TTech, KSU, ISU). Not earth-shaking.

There is no change (or even discussion) of revenue sharing for Tier 3, or content on Tier 3.

There is no consensus to expand to 12 or more teams (critical mass needed to survive), and limited "quality" teams to add.

The grant-of-rights proposal is for 6 years only; the B1G grant is for 20+ years (obviously Texas doesn't want to commit long-term).

So if I'm MU, I leave. If I'm KU, I would...

  1. Try to re-engage discussions with the PAC on a Tx, OU, KU combo (you-pick-em 16th team).
  2. Lobby for a minimum 12 team Big12 like the following...

South Div: Texas, TTech, Baylor, TCU, Louisville, Cinci. North Div: OU, OSU, KU, KSU, ISU, BYU.

  1. Or go for a 16 team version based on friendly merger with Big East...

East Quad: UConn, Rutgers, W Vga, S Fla South Quad: OU, OSU, Louiville, Cinci Lonestar Quad: Texas, TTech, Baylor, TCU West Quad: KU, KSU, ISU, BYU

Only way Big12 survive and thrive long-term, is much BOLDER reform that we're hearing about.

rob4lb 3 years, 1 month ago

Do you understand what Rice and Rice football is all about? It's not 1961 where ranked KU with the cool powder blue uniforms played ranked Rice in the Bluebonnet Bowl.

Rice has a 70,000 seat stadium and averages at best 15-20k per game. You can practically get tickets for free.

Rice may have the smallest university enrollment in Division 1.

Rice does not give you the Houston market. You already have it with UT and Tech.

Rice plays basketball gym that seats about 6000. It was recently renovated, but it rarely sells out.

Rice is a GREAT academic school but that's about it. Rice, along with any other Texas school, brings no added value to the Big 12.

Tulane is a Louisiana version of Rice. Why bother?

Sam Constance 3 years, 1 month ago

I continue to be baffled why so many people insist on sharing Tier 3 revenues. I can't help but think it comes from a place of ignorance.

1) KU stands to LOSE by sharing Tier 3 revenues.

2) Regardless of how it affects KU, it's a flawed idea in principle. The interest in and success of Tier 3 broadcasts depends predominantly upon the institution with which the rights are associated. The other schools in the Big 12 have absolutely NOTHING to do with the success of KU's Tier 3 broadcasts on the Jayhawk network. Why should they get a cut of something KANSAS has worked to develop and achieve? The same reasoning applies for any other member school.

Regarding some of the other issues you mentioned...

I'm not sure how equal revenue sharing is a "minor" give. That has been mentioned ad nauseum as one of the sticking points to the Big 12's supposed instability.

Sounds to me like expansion is merely awaiting final word from Missouri before it starts going full gear. Seems like a lot of your reasoning is based on news from 2-3 weeks ago.

The idea that the only way the Big 12 can be stable is if it constructs it's inter-school agreements to match what conferences like the SEC and B1G is ridiculous. I'm getting really tired of the groupthink that seems to be permeating this whole realignment topic. We have to be like other conferences! We have to leave the Big 12! SUPERCONFERENCES ARE THE FUTURE!!!!!!

blindrabbit 3 years, 1 month ago

Not a Mizzou fan, but the B1G should consider Logic's comment about ISU/KU/MU/KSU joining the conference. This would pick-up 3 AAU schools in ISU/KU/MU which would off-set KSU and last year's departure Wisconsin's stepchild Nebraska.

DanHogan95 3 years, 1 month ago

The B1G isn't in a great position to add schools right now. Their TV contract is up in a few years and then would be a better time, otherwise the same pie gets cut into smaller pieces. Ideally, B1G would look at MU/KU/Rutgers and others. ISU and probably also KSU don't have the same TV interest and stadium size to be as good a fit.

Don't forget, the big fish particularly for the B1G is Notre lame (excuse me, Notre Dame).

texashawk10 3 years, 1 month ago

How would the KU-MU rivalry be dead if MU left for the SEC? Has either side come out and said that if MU left for the SEC that they would no longer schedule each other for football or basketball. There wouldn't even have to be a change in weekend for the football game, UF-FSU and SCar-Clemson play Thanksgiving weekend and those are non-conference games so it wouldn't be an issue to have KU-MU keep playing that weekend. The basketball game would likely be moved to the Sprint Center (not crazy about that), but there would still be a KU-MU basketball game as well.

LogicMan 3 years, 1 month ago

How would the KU-MU rivalry be dead(?)

Just look at when NU left. We refused, quietly, to continue to play them. Huge historic rivalry killed off; MU is next if they leave (unless we both go to the B1G).

KCMO would loose bigtime as the Big 12 moves its tournament to OKC/Dallas, and KU refuses to schedule new FB and BB games there. Lots of incentive for OP and KCKS to build facilities on the KS side of the border, maybe even eventually taking the Royals.

chicagojayhawk87 3 years, 1 month ago

While I agree with you on nearly everything in your last post, the royals are staying in Kauffman Stadium. I would love to see the Chiefs on the Kansas side just because of the Kansas-Missouri rivalry, but that's not going to happen. The Royals lease runs through 2031, there was just renovation on the stadium in 2009 and the All-Star game will be there next year. Don't count on seeing the Royals in Kansas any time soon.

texashawk10 3 years, 1 month ago

KU-Nebraska has never been a game I thought of as a rivalry, do consider Iowa St. a true rival of KU's as well or just another conference game? Nebraska and Kansas have always been just another conference game on both sides. KU was just another win for Nebraska in football, just like Nebraska was just another win for KU in basketball. It was a big deal when the underdog won, but those series were so unbalanced that they never became rivalries. Even Missouri fans want to keep the Border War going if MU leaves for the SEC so I would have to believe that the administrators at both schools would have to listen to both teams fan bases when the majority on each side want to keep the series going. The same could not be said about wanting to keep playing Nebraska, and the same cannot be said about the demise of the Texas-Texas A&M rivalry.

jhawkrulz 3 years, 1 month ago

KU-Nebraska just as an FYI was the longest running game between two schools ever until it ended this year. What made it not a rivalry was how one sided it was.

LogicMan 3 years, 1 month ago

In recent decades (5?), but before that it was a very competitive game. A big loss for the sport, fans, and tradition. MU should take heed.

142466 3 years, 1 month ago

I had always heard and read that KU-MU was the oldest football college rivalry west of the Mississippi River. Maybe KU-NU is longer if you're limiting it to consecutive years without an interruption. Could be.

rob4lb 3 years, 1 month ago

KU-NU was the longest consecutively played or uninterrupted rivalry in Division 1. KU-MU is the second most played rivalry in Division 1.

Sam Constance 3 years, 1 month ago

For starters, it's not the same, in my opinion. There's something about fighting for the same conference championship, fighting out of the same "pond" for postseason berths, and playing each other in more than just the "Big 2" sports that fuels a rivalry. There's a reason that the best rivalries in college sports are predominantly WITHIN the same conference.

But possibly more important than that is the fact that you can't let these teams like Nebraska and Missouri have their cake and eat it too. As much as KU would like to keep playing these centuries old rivals, you can't let them bolt for another conference, giving a giant middle finger to their former bretheren, then help ease one of the negatives of leaving by just nodding our heads and saying "oh sure, we'll keep playing you even though you did your best to screw our conference and obviously had no thought to our centuries old rivalry/relationship in your decision process.

If Missouri leaves, they leave the rivalry. Kansas should not allow them to play buffet line with the aspects of the Big 12 they want to keep or forego.

Funhawk 3 years, 1 month ago

Does anybody else hear the Theme from Pink Panther when you pull up Matt's realignment blogs? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOvXBi... Matt Tait is a Jayhawk detective. Matt Tait is one cool cat!

jhawkrulz 3 years, 1 month ago

"one cool hawk"...cats aren't welcomed on this site!

Jack McEnaney 3 years, 1 month ago

I loathe misery with such an entirety of my being that I really REALLY hope they go. Consider this:

1) Misery leaves for the SEC and fades into football obscurity as they become a perrenial bottom dweller. Their recruiting suffers and they lack identity.

2.) Basketball in the SEC. Misery fades into more obscurity

3.) Since they suck so much their fanbase turns tail and runs for the hills.

4.) No more stupid chants involving misery .I- Will- Not- Miss- All- You

AlecRaenos 3 years, 1 month ago

Missed in all this is Missouri recruiting in Texas is going to take a BIG hit.

I hope they leave. They are going to be the Vanderbilt of the SEC only without decent basketball.

utahjayhawk 3 years, 1 month ago

MU as Vandy??? You must be joking when it comes to academics.

142466 3 years, 1 month ago

Reason #5 is that their departure increases (but maybe not enough) KU's chances of getting into the Big10.

RCJayhawk 3 years, 1 month ago

Now official via the KC Star that the MU Board gives Deaton the right to explore other conference affiliation. Deaton subsequently steps down from the expansion committee so a conflict of interest is created. Good luck, slavers. Happy trails!

Benjamin Piehler 3 years, 1 month ago

Well, I hope they stay... but I can't really blame them for wanting to go. That being said... I doubt we see a bowl game out of mizzou till 2024....

rob4lb 3 years, 1 month ago

Not true. There are alot of bowl ties to the SEC. Kentucky has been to a bowl in four of the last five seasons.

AlecRaenos 3 years, 1 month ago

Which just goes to prove how overrated the SEC is if Kentucky is making bowls regularly.

Benjamin Piehler 3 years, 1 month ago

I doubt they get too excited over the pinstripe, little caesar's or the beef o'brady's bowl.

Steve Reigle 3 years, 1 month ago

I think the Big 12 needs to specify a date by which each team is to confirm the assignation of TV rights for six years or get out. This crap of no timetable just isn't acceptable.

Sparko 3 years, 1 month ago

Boy what a bunch of duplicitous scoundrels. Missouri deserves whatever bad thing comes their way.

rob4lb 3 years, 1 month ago

First off, it the situation was reversed, most of the people trashing MU would be advocating KU do the exact same thing. Is there really any need to set a deadline? What is the hurry? I'm sure there will be a decision in the next 3-4 weeks.

Hopefully, MU can use this exploration period to extract more concessions from UT. It sounds like the signing off of rights for six years is not as much of a commitment as first appears.

Sam Constance 3 years, 1 month ago

Not me.

I would be blasting KU's administrators and decision makers if they were playing this game at this stage, when it looked like the Big 12 was close to, not only solidifying, but becoming stronger.

The reason for a deadline is because the uncertainty makes it more difficult for the Big 12 to move forward and expand back to 10 or 12 teams.

I know everyone is still all about sticking it to Texas, but it's pretty clear by this point that Texas doesn't have quite the same power now that they did 18 months ago. Rather than focusing on getting back at the "bully" (or scapegoat), perhaps the focus should be on the Big 12 finding an setup that is agreeable to all parties.

FLJHK 3 years, 1 month ago

Until MU decides, everything remains in limbo. Hope KU is at least winking at the Big 10 and PAC.

olathefbfan 3 years, 1 month ago

Unfortunately, KU WAS winking at both during all this. Nobody cared. Or the hawks would've been in another conference by now.

And if we had, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been put motion at the 11th hour, like MU has just done.

olathefbfan 3 years, 1 month ago

Missouri just can't help being...well, Missouri. They've always been the schizophrenic brother in the conference.

Once it became clear the Big 12 was going to survive this year, I told an MU friend of mine that, in consideration of last year's events, when MU looked so ridiculous and punked following its spurned flirtation with the B1G, it had redeemed itself this year due to its Chancellor taking such a leadership role in saving the conference.

Now this. Maybe it's all some leverage game to gain a longer media rights period from the others, and further concessions from UT. If not, enough already.

So just get out. Let us invite into the conference the handful of decent schools that WANT to be here. Let's end the friggin drama. Show me, MU. One way or the other.

getserious 3 years, 1 month ago

I'm so sick of Mizzou I could puke. They started all this crap two years ago trying to get into the Big 10. Good luck Tigers with the travel costs, idiots. Can we not just beat them to the punch and kick them out?

LogicMan 3 years, 1 month ago

We're back to the Big 8, version 2.0.

If OU and the others don't attempt to bolt again, then a merger with another conference is the fastest route to some sense of stability.

If the State of MO is gone, Louisville looks a little less attractive. That is too bad because they come across as very good people, and they know how to play BB. If no Louisville, then others of the Big East are much less attractive too.

Bringing in BYU and the closest members of the MWC as a western division, and us as the eastern, quickly gets us to being a so called superconference and in contiguous states covering maybe a third of the land area of the U.S.

But if the Big 10 decides it must move on MU before it's lost to the SEC, then maybe KU goes with them there. And better yet bringing ISU and KSU too.

142466 3 years, 1 month ago

I think that ISU could be a viable dark horse to the Big10. People in Ks and Mo may assume that ISU isn't much, because most years KU and MU do well against the Cyclones, in both BB and FB, compared to KU's and MU's other B12 opponents. And Ames, geographically, is relatively isolated.

But consider:

ISU is an AAU member. Several B12 schools aren't. Many people over the last 50 years have told me that ISU's engineering school is very good.

Geographically, ISU is an excellent fit into the B10, being surrounded by the Golden Gophers, the Hawkeyes, and the Huskers.

I would expect those 3 surrounding schools to lobby for adding ISU.

In sports, they would not embarrass the B10. I've observed them for over 50 years, They've rarely embarrassed the Big8 and Big12.

They don't bring any additional TV viewers to the Big10, though. That's definitely a big minus. But don't automatically dismiss them from the B10's expansion plans. Could happen. I think they'd add ISU before adding KSU.

Randy Bombardier 3 years, 1 month ago

I have mixed emotions about Misery leaving as it sets the conference back. I still think they are crazy to leave. Will be going from 10 wins a year to 5 or 6. They can handle Kentucky, Vandy, and Miss. State, and maybe Tennessee. Crazy. Not a big revenue bump and if you consider fewer bowl games, more travel expense it means a net loss in revenue. If we the conference were folding, yeah, it makes sense. But, with OU and UT sticking it out it seems like another impulsive move.

DallasJayhawk1 3 years, 1 month ago

This is all posturing by Mizzery. The whole conference re-alignment buzz has died down plus nobody is going to offer them a landing spot--not SEC, not Big 10.

LogicMan 3 years, 1 month ago

"This is all posturing by Mizzery."

Let's hope they are just playing their cards well, and don't overplay them. Chuck has his work cut out for him, and hopefully UT and OU will yield a little bit more.

Brian Skelly 3 years, 1 month ago

I actually think Mizzou going to the SEC improves the odds of KU getting a look from the Big 10. I agree with whomever posted that might be a few years down the road though.

And quite frankly, unless this "shared rights" TV thing is WELL more than 6 years -- more like 10 to 15, there's almost no point in agreeing to it... because all that is UT and OU waiting to jump ship again.

The LHN stuff doesnt nearly bother me as much, yet anyway, as folks are up in arms about it. I agree with the issues that people DO have with it, but I think this is blip on the radar stuff compared to the need for a longer term commitment and realistic, aggressive expansion. 12 is the minimum we need to be at. Otherwise, we're back here sooner than we think.

Vernon Riggs 3 years, 1 month ago

Mizzou isn't going to the SEC. They will save face by looking and then decide by the weekend that the Big12 is the best conference for them. This is about the benjamins. Mizzou will figure out that a 12-member Big12 (add BYU, Lousiville and WVU or Cincy) will make more than the 14-team SEC. Add in the $20 million Exit Clause for leaving the Big12 and not cashing in on their share of the Texas AM exit money, it will take 10 years or more to break even for the move. Then figure the paying the SEC's legal fees from the lawsuit that Baylor and Ken Starr will file and it make take even longer to make financial sense. Who knew that Baylor and Ken Starr would be so helpful?

Krohnutz 3 years, 1 month ago

I wish Mizzou would just do it. I'm so tired of hearing this garbage, the drama makes me want to puke.

The typical Mizzou fan feels like this:

  1. Their school is absolutely awesome. They can go to the SEC and start making noise there. I even heard one caller today saying they were probably going to "split" with LSU. I mean, they beat Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl a few years ago. Seriously...

  2. Their school is absolutely awesome. They will keep getting those pipeline tier 3 recruits out of Texas because they will still play A&M. I mean, Gary is already hooked up to their high schools. They will want to go to Mizzou to play one game in Texas as compared to any other Big 12 school and play multiple. And Houston is so "center" of Texas. Sure...

  3. Their school is absolutely awesome. They feel like their three great seasons under Gary Pinkel are enough to keep them on par with teams that have more national championships than they have ten win seasons.

To all this, I say prove it. Go to the SEC. All those titles are awaiting you there, trust me. It is way greener over there. You will go over there and show those boys how to play football. Nothing can go wrong.

If Mizzou stays their fans will always feel like they "made a mistake" by staying. Their fans will feel like Mizzou was SO CLOSE to being one of the mega powers of college athletics. They will live a life of regret stuck in that "What might have been?" dream. So for all of us, both you and the rest of the world, just get the hell out.

rob4lb 3 years, 1 month ago

I visited Lawrence over the weekend and attended the game and I guess I left more negative about KU's situation than I expected. I understand why there is no interest from the major conferences. I know it's only one weekend, but this is what I observed:

1) The football team clearly the worst in the Big 12. Tech nearly lost at home to Nevada and after they woke up, they had no problem with KU. 2) The fan support was even worse than the team. I see the official attendance was 39,000. That was generous. The student section was at best 2/3 full. 3) The recent US News rating was disappointing in describing academics 4) There was an article that KU is now concerned because enrollment is not growing. It contracted.

Meanwhile, K-State has a growing enrollment and now has a ranked football team. We are still in a better position than K-State but the Big 10 doesn't have top expand. There is nothing magical about 16 teams. And given our current state, there is no economic reason for the Big 10 or Pac 12 to take us.

If MU leaves, I'm sure a shell of the Big 12 will survive, but do we really want to be a part of that? We won't have any choice.

Dyrk Dugan 3 years, 1 month ago

that's it. it's all over. not the Big 12...but our relationship with MU. it's done. what a bunch of over hyped prima donnas....you have got to be kidding me.

104 years playing KU in the same league.....along with NU....and now we'll be each in a separate league. that's about idiotic as it gets.

and for what? more money? the Tiggers have no facilities? they have more money than anyone in the Big 10, Big 12 or SEC...with the main benefactors being spouses of Walmart heiresses....i mean, they snap their fingers in Columbia and it's taken care of.

nope. this is all about pride...and because they could. they couldn't give a flyin flip about tradition or any of it, or league rivals, or unity..it's all a sham it's the ultimate screw you too game. we couldn't get in the Big 10, and by God, we won't be left out of this spotlight again.

i'm tellin ya, we should NEVER play Mizzou in any sports ever again. it won't hurt us one lick in basketball...and then if we do meet up, in the NCAA tourney or a bowl game....oh how much sweeter that victory will taste.

Good riddance Tiggers......have fun playing Vanderbilt in Nashville...and getting trounced in Knoxville.

Travis Clementsmith 3 years, 1 month ago

The truth of the matter is that if MU leaves, the conference payouts are going to go down, not up. It will still be a lot of money, but we'll definitely be somewhere between the top conferences and the mid majors. There is speculation that this isn't just a move to the SEC, it is also a ploy to see if the B1G deides to bite. MU and Rutgers is the speculation.

As long as KU basketball has a home in big time college athletics, we'll be OK. The problem is that who knows how long that can be guaranteed? Football is killing us right now. We seem powerless to repair it. It will only get more difficult to find people who can.

What if OU takes OSU to the SEC? Would that make the PAC jump again? If we expand to 16, chances are their are not enough attractive teams to make financially worthwhile. Even 12 is pushing it, with states all spread out. MU may not kill the Big XII, but it will make it a shell of a conference and soon no one will care if UT or OU win it. When that happens, they'll look elsewhere for relevance. The only question will be whether relevance finds us.

DallasJayhawk1 3 years, 1 month ago

Why would OU and OSU go to the SEC ? OSU only goes as far as where OU goes--and OU will face the same struggle as A&M will in the SEC (ie see the game against Arkansas last weekend). OU knew this entire time that it's best move was to stay in the Big 12--they were playing poker to get more chips--which is what Mizzery is doing. Pac never wanted OU nor did they want UT as a headache.

Travis Clementsmith 3 years, 1 month ago

Well, I hope you are right. Since you asked, this is the scenario that could lead to OU and OSU bolting:

If the Big XII attempts to renegotiate its 1st Tier early and bring them in line with the 2nd Tier, ESPN is going to ask why they should pay more for a conference that now doesn't include Nebraska, Colorado, A&M and Mizzou. The short answer is we will get something, but nowhere near what the Big Four are making which is going to put our conference in a diminished light. The only thing that would save it is if UT, OU, OSU, Baylor, Tech and maybe even KSU go onto strong seasons finishing with commanding performances in the bowl games while A&M, MU and NU have less than expected seasons. But, even that might not be enough unless one of them wins the NC over an SEC team.

Outside of that, we will start to look like a diminished conference, kinda like the Big East when they were at full strength. OU or Texas might go undefeated, but the voters won't look at them as impressed as they might a one loss B1G team. This is going to make OU antsy. They don't have a large market, everything for them is based on on-the-field dominance. Unlike Missouri, they have been recruiting in North Texas for years and could make a successful jump to the SEC and drag OSU with them, especially if they are playing at their high level. AAU status doesn't matter as much to the SEC, which will further isolate Texas.

Texas will have to make some hard choices about its LHN and revenue model if it wants to be part of a major conference. If its willing to relent, it can choose whatever conference it wants, most likely the B1G, perhaps the ACC. With the SEC at 16, the B1G will probably expand as well, and we might get in that way, but there is still no guarantee.

Here's what to watch for: Does the Big XII go through with its proposal for equal 1st and 2nd Tier sharing even if MU leaves? Also, do they go through with the "handcuffs" on TV rights? If both of these questions are answered in the negative, it will signal the beginning of the end for the Big XII. Nobody will want to join and everyone will expect the top schools to fill out someone else's conference slate.

142466 3 years, 1 month ago

So long as OU and UT are in the same conference the NCAA will have no choice but to include that conference's champion in the BCS line-up, and also in the coming NCAA post-season FB tournament. We should never lose sight of that fact.

We should also never forget that OU and UT have a strong desire to be in the same league.

Finally, wherever OU and UT are, OSU and TTech are likely to be.

Therefore, if Mizzou leaves, turn your eyes and ears to Norman and Austin. It is UT and OU who will decide whether the B12 dissolves or lives. It's solely up to those two schools. And those two schools enjoy such high football reputations that the league will be able to attract 4 relatively strong football entrants, thereby getting back to 12.

OU and UT will make their decision public, in short order. Competition dictates that they decide quickly so that the league can attract new entrants before they go elsewhere, or (if UT and OU are leaving) so that OU and UT find the best landing spots.

What direction will OU and UT go? I think there is a very high correlation between their actual football results, measured nationally, and their financial income from their FB programs. Just like any other big business entity, they will rationally forecast and compare future income streams from staying vs. leaving, assign probabilities to their options, and choose the more lucrative path.

jaybate 3 years, 1 month ago

OU and UT can be in the SEC either together,or one or the other. They can make more money there. They would unite with Arkansas which both OU and UT strongly want. They aren't going. Why?

Forget football TV revenue optimization.

Why won't UT's BOR let UT go to either the SEC, or the Pac 12?

Joe Shaw 3 years, 1 month ago

Make Missouri decide! If they can't commit to the Big12, then kick them out and expand fill their spot.

Don't let the door hit you in the butt!

Travis Clementsmith 3 years, 1 month ago

If we kick them out, then we can get any exit fees from them. Don't let emotions lead you to a silly decision.

johnnyphoton 3 years, 1 month ago

Dear SEC: Should you acquire another set of Tigers, this bunch from Columbia will chant "M-I-Z" "Z-O-U" during games. Do not be alarmed, this is their version of spell check.

BarkingHawk 3 years, 1 month ago

If Missouri leaves the conference, most of my K.U. friends will miss them. It is the best rivalry we have on so many fronts.

Assuming Mizzou goes, however, the city, the commerce and the citizens of Kansas City, Missouri will have been shafted by their major state university in potentially removing itself from two important events, the Big 12 Basketball Tournament and the annual Border War (it's not a showdown) football game, both significant from both a revenue and emotional standpoint. An enlightened K.U. should seek opportunities to take advantage of this situation.

Over time, K.U. stands to be the only game in town. We should be proactive in pursuing and accelerating this possibility, sooner not later.

BarkingHawk 3 years, 1 month ago

It should be noted, too, that any defection of Mizzou to the SEC leaves K.U. as the Big Ten's best avenue to capture the Greater Kansas City market, not to mention the large following already enjoys in Chicago.

ja3hawk 3 years, 1 month ago

Agree..Our markets are decent when you consider this:

Greater KC = 2.2 Million

Wichita = .63 Million

Topeka = .16 Million

So were talking about 3 million people. That's nothing I guess, according to some people.

RSwansonhawk 3 years, 1 month ago

If Mizzou loses to K-State this weekend (Ugh..ahem...Go cats...ewww), they will have a tough time becoming bowl-eligible. Crawling into the SEC with an alienated fanbase, no foothold in KC, no recruits from Texas, no BB tourney, and a nice 30-40 million dollar exit fee, hell of a bluff if you ask me. But, if you go for it, maybe Texas A&M will hold your hand as you limp in together before becoming arch-enemies for the coveted second-to-last spot.

Sadly, with the new ACC walls up, Mizzou is the BEST option for the SEC.

Chuck, dispense with the Beebe wait-and-see crap. Set a deadline, in or out. In, great. Out, that's fine too. Big 12...now hiring. Like its predecessor, realignment v.1.0, this summer/fall is all about perception. The Big 12 is the at the top of conference football rankings right now. Yet, we're looked at as weak, self-destructive, and dispensable.

I'm all for KU's patience. We have to be the only school that hasn't made any fuss is this ordeal. Think Baylor looks attractive to the other FBS conferences? KU will be fine.

I don't want Mizzou to leave. But I'm very, very interested to see what happens if they do....

Tuck 3 years, 1 month ago

Over on a Texas website (orangebloods.com) they say that everything was coming together until...surprise, Texas "balked" at comprising and pulling off their high school content on the Longhorn Network. THANKS AGAIN FOR NOTHING TEXAS!

My proposal, get all of the BIG12 presidents together in an emergency meeting and have a vote to kick out the shorthorns. Texas gets kicked out, everybody else stays. Problem solved. I guess in reality that can't happen because of TV contracts with a "weaker" conference. This same site mentions that the BIG12 is trying to renegotiate the current ABC/ESPN contract to make it the same length of the FOX contract but without NU, CU, A&M and MU and instead with TCU, BYU, Louisvlle and Cinn. the product would be weaker and ABC/ESPN won't extend the contract.

Thanks again Texas for tearing apart the BIG12!!

DallasJayhawk1 3 years, 1 month ago

You can't just kick out a school + Big12 would lose the exit fees from UT. UT is not at fault for having their own network--every school would do that if given the opportunity.

Tuck 3 years, 1 month ago

yeah but they can give in and NOT show the high school stuff that every other member of the BIG12 doesn't want. That's called doing what they want regardless of anyone or anything else (non-compromise, the reason we're in this mess to begin with, just ask NU and A&M).

Texas is the reason that the BIG12 is going through all of this. If they are not, please tell me why all this is happening then?

jaybate 3 years, 1 month ago

Texas didn't jump to the Pac12, because its BOR forbid it. UT wanted to jump.

The high school football tv dimension is completely irrelevant. Frankly, no other school except maybe TAM should care about UT's Texas high school football tv gig. UT already gets the best players from Texas. UT already consistently wins the B12, or takes second. A high school TV deal changes nothing in the status quo, unless UT starts a second D1 mens football team on campus. I mean what difference does it make to Nebraska, or CU, or MU, or non jumpers like OU and KU? Everyone will still recruit Texas and, frankly, a Texas high school TV network will make it easier for Big 12 conference teams to keep a constant eye on players they are interested in.

If you want to understand why this is happening, you have to look at what UT, OU an KU have in common; that NU,CU, and TAM lack.

I have proposed one hypothesis, but no one seems to buy it.

Still, rejecting my proposed hypothesis does not change the need for a fitting explanation based on a credible driver of realignment choice, which I have also clearly noted.

Then you have to look at MU's specific situation and ask why has MU and the state of Missouri gone back and forth so much, where as NU, CU and TAM just went boom and left.

Why does part of MU's state oligarchy want MU to stay in the Big 12 and part of it to go either to the Big Ten (the last few years) and the SEC now?

What problem facing the oligarchy of the state of Missouri would shifting to either the Big Ten, or SEC alleviate?

Why wouldn't MU jumping to the Pac 12 alleviate the problem? It offers bigger bucks, just like the Big Ten and the SEC.

What is it about the Big Ten and the SEC that solves a problem for the oligarchy of the state of Missouri, and so leads them to enable MU through the Board of Curators to seek remedy in these conferences, but not in others.

And why would the Big Ten be interested in a combination of MU, KU and KSU, if the Big 12 were to break up, as was reputed to have been offered by the Big Ten, but not be interested in just MU?

Sam Constance 3 years, 1 month ago

And the scapegoating of Texas continues.

Tuck 3 years, 1 month ago

lol, just giving credit where credit is due :-)

Sam Constance 3 years, 1 month ago

I'm sure Texas deserves some credit/blame, but I think the proportion of blame isn't congruous with the amount they deserve.

Steve Brown 3 years, 1 month ago

Horns are the Rodney Dangerfield of Caddyshack. Every institution that had an invitiation to leave the Big 12 did so, why would Tigers be exception. Im not sure they have an invite to the SEC or B1G, yet if they do, they are gone. Invites don't come around every year. Leaving is the 'safe' decision, staying is high risk, from their perch. wish it were not so.

Sam Constance 3 years, 1 month ago

Oh the irony.

Missouri is only the latest in a long line of schools who make a huge public show of hemming and hawing about whether they want to remain in the Big 12. And every single time it has happened, the school in question has referenced the "uncertainty" in the Big 12, and whether or not they can "trust" the Big 12. All the while, these schools seem oblivious to the fact that THEY, in fact, are the ones causing the instability and uncertainty. Missouri is even worse than the other schools, as it was their flirting with the Big 10 that kicked this mess off last year anyway. For them to sit here and act as if they have to leave because everyone else is making the conference so damn unstable is rich. And so typically Missouri.

It's like a drunk driver, complaining about the number of intoxicated motorists on the road because it puts them more at risk for an accident.

How fitting that once again, we have insecure, me-too Misery batting it's eyes at anyone who will give them so much as the time of day. They initiated this mess, but they didn't get the full satisfaction of being the school upon whose word everyone was resting, so now they're clingning to the last shred of attention for every last drop that it's worth.

It's fine. Go on Misery. Run off to the SEC, but just keep in mind, for all the attention it's getting you now, it will be the last time you get attention as anything other than the fools who left a good situation so that they could sit at the "cool kids" table and get made fun of every lunch period.

Personally, as a KU fan, I would like you to stay, because as obnoxious, insecure, self-loathing and pathetic as you are, you are still fundamentally a MIDWESTERN school, and belong in a conference with other schools from the Midwest. Not the South. You've done so well for all these years, putting on the well-behaved face of a state that didn't fight to keep slavery alive (even though we all know better). But as I noted on another article on KUSports.com... you can take Misery out of the former Confederacy, but you can't take the slave state mentality out of Misery.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong to believe that Misery is fundamentally Midwestern and doesn't fit in the SEC. At least at this point, if they go, we KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt how Misery sees itself.

Maybe I shouldn't be so surprised.

jaybate 3 years, 1 month ago

Everyone still talks about this without a credible driver explaining why schools are trying to jump to different conferences and why others aren't, and why some like UT have their BORs tell them they can't even though the money would be better.

Crap TV market schools like TAM and CU jump to the big bucks in BCS conferences, but the top three combined sports TV revenue generating programs--UT, OU, and KU--suboptimize by staying in the Big 12.

NU, a program with a once great football program, zip for basketball, and no tv markets worth spit, jumps to the Big Ten for mega bucks, but UT, OU, and KU suck hind teat in the Big 12.

What is wrong with this picture? :-)

Now MU, a team with so-so football, so-so basketball, and only one of two decent media markets in its state (KU owns KC and St. Louis is dying), is thinking of jumping with TAM to the big bucks in the SEC, while UT, OU and KU suck hind teat in the Big 12.

What is wrong with this picture? :-)

Repeat after me: football tv revenue is not the primary driver. Combined sports tv revenue is not the primary driver either. Both only come into play after an initial condition is met for jumping, an initial condition that has nothing to do with football TV revenue, and cultural similarities (or differences) and everything to do with something else apparently very big and very big. Football and combined sports TV revenue are what is talked about publicly to avoid talking about the underlying driver that is too sensitive to discuss openly.

What is it?

Tuck 3 years, 1 month ago

I'm not sure....I hate to beat a dead horse but I honestly thought that UT was the reason why these schools have left. If being bullied around and/or money isn't the reason they are leaving, I'm not sure?

I 100% think that this whole "stability" thing is just a front. Teams aren't staying or aren't leaving because of "stability". If "stability" was the reason teams were staying or going everyone who could be gone would already be gone because we aren't "stable" right now.

Sam Constance 3 years, 1 month ago

Other conferences want new members that will increase their potential earnings ability, but not affect their ability to compete and gain access to bowl games.

Nebraska is the only exception to this line of reasoning, but they have been good again only recently, so I could see the B1G thinking that their return to success was only fleeting. Also, their basketball team is so unbelievably bad that maybe they figured it made up for the risk of Nebraska actually returning to form.

For what it's worth, I think Nebraska's days of perennial dominance are over. A lot harder for a school with a negligible home recruiting base to stay on top in the modern college football world. Especially once the curtain has been thrown back to reveal that the Wizard of Oz isn't a beautiful woman, or a ravenous beast, or a giant head, or a ball of fire, but really just a clever old man.

kurangers 3 years, 1 month ago

Do people think that the politicians in Missouri especially from the Kansas City side of the state are going to allow MU to leave the Big 12? Will they allow the state and KC to take the economic hit of losing the Big 12 tourney, other games at the Sprint Center and games at Arrowhead because MU wants a couple of million more from the SEC. If MU leaves this probably affects KC's draw for NCAA tourney games! Not to mention the longstanding rivarly between MU and KU in sports and history.

I have a hard believing MU won't be feeling unbelievable pressure from the state politicians to stay in the Big 12.

Micah Mandy Haase 3 years, 1 month ago

Did anyone see this story on yahoo?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-big12-missouri

Seems like Mizzou is trying to save face from the past when it was wanting in the Big 10. For the most part I have a feeling that Mizzou wants to stay in the Big 12 but wants Texas and whomever else to know that if they don't want to come to a certain agreement they have the choice to go to the SEC. Personally I enjoy seeing Mizzou lose in the Big 12 and it will be a sad day when I careless what Mizzou is doing while in another conference. Seems like we would lose a brother. My siblings and I fight quite a bit, but when someone else tries to fight them we immediately become a team. I hope they realize this and stay but if they don't, being a KU fan it will be like losing a family member you love to fight with.

Phoggin_Loud 3 years, 1 month ago

BREAKING NEWS:

p>Jayhawkslant.com is reporting that Texas has agreed to not to air ANY high school content on the Longhorn Network!!

http://kansas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1275023

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