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Monday Rewind — Texas A&M: Was this the worst loss in the Turner Gill era?

Kansas head coach Turner Gill walks the sidelines during the first half Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011 at Kyle Stadium in College Station, Texas.

Kansas head coach Turner Gill walks the sidelines during the first half Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011 at Kyle Stadium in College Station, Texas. by Kevin Anderson

It’s tough to imagine anyone still cares at this point, but, believe it or not, there are a few who do.

So let’s get on with this week’s Monday rewind.

Texas A&M 61, Kansas 7.

Those 22 characters and spaces pretty much tell it all. Kansas, for the 18th time in 23 games under coach Turner Gill, left the stadium with a loss and the disappointing, yet familiar, feeling of simply not being good enough.

With just one game remaining in the 2011 season — and, most likely, in Gill’s time at Kansas — the only question really worth examining after the Texas A&M loss is one that won’t be much fun but should spark some debate.

Was this KU’s worst loss under Gill?

The way I see it, there are seven or eight real candidates here. Before getting into the what and why of it all, I’ll list them as a refresher.

2010:
6-3 loss vs. North Dakota State
55-7 loss at Baylor
59-7 loss vs. Kansas State

2011:
66-24 loss at Georgia Tech
70-28 loss at Oklahoma State
59-21 loss vs. Kansas State
43-0 loss at Texas
61-7 loss at Texas A&M

These are the games in which the Jayhawks were utterly hopeless. Whether they happened because of poor execution, poor game-planning or poor coaching, these were the games that seemed to get the KU faithful the most riled up.

As you can see, going strictly by the scores, last Saturday’s drubbing by the Aggies was KU’s biggest loss. Only one other time had a Gill team lost by more than 50 points, and that came during last season’s embarrassing 59-7 loss to K-State in Lawrence.

But does that make it Gill’s worst loss at Kansas?

For my money, the answer’s yes. And here’s why.

A handful of North Dakota State fans celebrate against a backdrop of Kansas fans as time dwindles late in the fourth quarter, Saturday, Sept. 4, 2010 at Kivisto Field. The Jayhawks dropped their home opener 6-3.

A handful of North Dakota State fans celebrate against a backdrop of Kansas fans as time dwindles late in the fourth quarter, Saturday, Sept. 4, 2010 at Kivisto Field. The Jayhawks dropped their home opener 6-3. by Nick Krug

Although the loss to NDSU in last year’s opener was pitiful, there were plenty of reasons to see it coming. New coach, new season, a no-win situation and a group of inexperienced players and overmatched coaches trying to figure it all out. There’s no way KU should have lost that game, but at least you can pinpoint the reasons why they did. Heck, when we pulled up to the stadium that day, Journal-World sports editor Tom Keegan even called it.

A frustrated Steven Johnson walks off the field following the Jayhawks' 55-7 loss to Baylor Saturday, Oct. 2, 2010 at Floyd Casey Stadium in Waco, Texas.

A frustrated Steven Johnson walks off the field following the Jayhawks' 55-7 loss to Baylor Saturday, Oct. 2, 2010 at Floyd Casey Stadium in Waco, Texas. by Nick Krug

Last year’s Baylor game was the first road Big 12 game for a whole bunch of Jayhawks. And let’s face it; Baylor was damn good. That one probably comes the closest for me, but, again, there were at least some reasons why the Jayhawks had such a hard time, and it’s a lot easier to forgive a team for that kind of performance five games into a head coach’s tenure than it is 20 games later.

Kansas fan Rocky Holman, Arkansas City, shows his frustration during KU's loss to Georgia Tech on Saturday, Sept. 17, 2011 in Atlanta.

Kansas fan Rocky Holman, Arkansas City, shows his frustration during KU's loss to Georgia Tech on Saturday, Sept. 17, 2011 in Atlanta. by Richard Gwin

Moving on to this year, many people forget that the Jayhawks were in the Georgia Tech game at halftime. They trailed just 24-17, and, after a horrific start, had shown a lot of fight to get back in the game and hang around. One quarter later, the score was 52-17 and the party was on.

Kansas receiver JaCorey Shepherd is smothered by the Oklahoma State defense after a catch during the fourth quarter on Saturday, Oct. 8, 2011 at Boone Pickens Stadium.

Kansas receiver JaCorey Shepherd is smothered by the Oklahoma State defense after a catch during the fourth quarter on Saturday, Oct. 8, 2011 at Boone Pickens Stadium. by Nick Krug

The Oklahoma State loss, like Baylor last year, is close to being the most brutal, but, if you recall, KU marched down the field on its opening drive of that game and actually had a 7-0 lead. Fifty-six points and 30 minutes later, the Cowboys were in control and questions of whether OSU could score 100 in the game seemed legitimate. But again, for at least a few minutes early and a few minutes late, the Jayhawks ran their stuff, moved the ball and scored points.

A frustrated Bradley McDougald (24) walks off the field after the Jayhawks 43-0 loss to Texas on Saturday, Oct. 29, 2011 at Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium.

A frustrated Bradley McDougald (24) walks off the field after the Jayhawks 43-0 loss to Texas on Saturday, Oct. 29, 2011 at Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium. by Nick Krug

As for the Texas game this year, it was awful offensively, but the Jayhawks' defense showed up and played its butts off. Had they not forced a couple of turnovers, made a goal-line stand and held UT to field goals instead of TDs, this one would've been in the 70s, too.

Kansas defensive end Keba Agostinho holds his head on the Kansas bench during the fourth quarter against Kansas State on Saturday, Oct. 22, 2011 at Kivisto Field.

Kansas defensive end Keba Agostinho holds his head on the Kansas bench during the fourth quarter against Kansas State on Saturday, Oct. 22, 2011 at Kivisto Field. by Nick Krug

That leaves the two Kansas State losses and even though both ended up being blowouts, there were moments in both games — more this year than last — where the Jayhawks looked like they wanted to be out there and their play reflected that. Whether that was a big hit (Isiah Barfield in 2010) or a couple of nice drives to get back into the game (just before halftime this year), there were signs of life, however briefly they may have stayed.

Last Saturday, in College Station, there were none. Give the KU offense credit for fighting to the end to try to prevent the shutout. It worked. And finding motivation to keep playing in a game like that is easier said than done. But other than that last drive, the Jayhawks never truly threatened on offense from start to finish.

That’s not to say their drives fell apart or things didn’t bounce their way. They just couldn’t produce. Running plays went nowhere. Passing plays resulted in sacks, interceptions or drops and the Jayhawks looked out of sync — on both sides of the ball — all afternoon.

Kansas running back Darrian Miller is squeezed by the A&M defense in the first half Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011 at Kyle Stadium in College Station, Texas.

Kansas running back Darrian Miller is squeezed by the A&M defense in the first half Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011 at Kyle Stadium in College Station, Texas. by Kevin Anderson

And then there was the defense. Oh, the defense. From A&M’s opening drive on, the Jayhawks struggled to compete. The Jayhawks made A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill look like the player that many thought he would be before the season began and the Aggies scored so quickly on so many drives that you couldn’t help but wonder how bad it was going to get.

When the dust settled, the Aggies became the third opponent to top 60 points against a Turner Gill-coached KU team, and the Jayhawks were sent away with another blowout loss.

When looking back at a string of so many bad beatings over the past couple of years, it may be irrelevant to discuss which one was the worst. Bad is bad and losing is losing.

For me, though, last week’s loss at A&M was KU’s worst setback under Gill because of when it happened, how it happened and the fact that, in terms of point differential, it was the biggest blowout. It’s hard to imagine a team playing its worst game of the season 11 weeks in. Teams are supposed to get better as the season goes along.

There were a number of factors that contributed to why it went down the way it did — injuries, suspensions, road game, etc. — but pointing to any of those as good excuses would be a cop out. The bottom line is the Jayhawks didn’t show up and the Aggies made them pay.

If they repeat that recipe this week against Mizzou, in what could be the last Border War game ever, this list could have a new game at the top very soon.

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Comments

jmonley 2 years, 5 months ago

Not going to be here long enough to have an "era".

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Steve Corder 2 years, 5 months ago

Matt: Have you heard anything about a double buyout if Gill is released before the end of three years? Turning a reported 6M into 12M?

If true, does Zenger have that kind of backing?

The rationale was that Gill wanted time, not just the money to come to K.U. Therefore, such a clause was inserted.

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Geekinout 2 years, 5 months ago

To those who say 2 years isn't enough time to turn a program around, you might not be too off. HOWEVER, watching 2 years of Turner Gill style of football is enough to show me he doesn't know how to coach at this level and is over his head. Progressively this team looks worse every weekend and that's no exaggeration.*

*Uncreative, shows no emotion and seems lifeless on sidelines and in interviews, players can't feed of coaches energy because there is none, repeats same mistakes, can't make in-game adjustments, doesn't use personal to potential, teams undisciplined (funny considering that seems to be his entire mantra), doesn't seem to collaborate with his assistant coaching staff very well, doesn't get team excited to play every down, doesn't hold players accountable (just puts blame on them), doesn't discipline players for jogging during plays on defense in pursuit, doesn't realize other teams leaders and top players until way too late, doesn't know how to exploit other teams weaknesses, doesn't know how to teach the fundamentals of tackling, predictable game plans and play-calling, keeps using same players who miss same assignments and make same mistakes, can't recruit!

But he's nice guy, keeps the same blank expression on his face, and claps a lot!

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d2psugrad 2 years, 5 months ago

Would love to see Leach or another big name, but there are lesser known guys who have proven records that could be had for a song comparatively. Willie Fritz at Sam Houston comes to mind, sure it's not a BCS record, but he's proven he can win at every level he's had opportunity to:

Willie Fritz - SHSU 12-0 in 2nd year and seeded #1 in FCS playoff. 18 - 5 in 2 years at SHSU. .674 career record at D2 CMSU

School Years Position Record Other Pittsburg State 1982 Student Assistant 7-2 1982 Conference Champions Shawnee Mission Northwest HS 1983 Assistant Coach 7-2
Sam Houston State 1984-85 Graduate Assistant 16-6 1985 Conference Champions Willis High School 1986 Assistant Coach 6-4
Coffeyville CC 1987-90 Defensive Coordinator 34-6-1 Three post-season bowl games Sam Houston State 1991-92 Secondary/Special Teams 14-5-3 1991 Conference Champions Blinn College 1993-96 Head Coach 39-5-1 1995 National Champions 1996 National Champions Central Missouri 1997-2009 Head Coach 97-47 2001 Mineral Water Bowl 2002 Conference Champions

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Pitthawk34 2 years, 5 months ago

No this isnt the worst loss, worst loss is us season ticket holders who has had to sign a check to watch this crap.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 5 months ago

Rich Rod to U of A. So cross that name off the list.

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Joel Hood 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm not sure what people mean by "turn around" the program?? The cupboards were not bare when Mangino left, even though he lost all those games in the 2nd half of his last season.

Baylor at home was the ugliest loss for me. The coaches lost that game with overly conservative play calling in the 4th quarter. The 2 point PAT wasn't gutsy, it was deperation. The gutsy playing calling should have come earlier in the 4th.

I was at the game and thought Gill should have a chance to stay on for next year if he won that game and then somehow beat missery. I was never on the "fire Gill" bandwagon, but now he has dug his own $6M grave. Not too shabby.

The success of whoever SZ hires to replace Gill will determine his fate as KU's AD. Welcome to bigs, SZ. Sure hope you got some juice.

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Keith Hummel 2 years, 5 months ago

I agree Matt. Before the season started we all said we would be satisfied if KU was competitive and showed improvement. While they were occasionally competitive those moments were rare and fleeting. But the most disturbing thing is there seems to have been virtually no improvement in the team overall. That was painfully obvious last Saturday. I will watch Saturday's game and root for a win, but I fully expect it to be the most humiliating loss yet. After that there is simply no way Gill can return. If Zenger even hesitates a little to fire TG he will have some very PO'd alumni and fans to deal with. The sooner we get it done the sooner we can move on to the next chapter.

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texashawk10 2 years, 5 months ago

The two KState losses were the worst losses to me. KState doesn't have the superior talent to KU like Baylor, Texas, or Texas A&M has yet KState was able to hang 59 points on KU in consecutive seasons despite not having a very good QB in either season. KState is at best the 8th most talented team on paper in the Big 12 yet they are going to finish at worst 3rd in the Big 12 and at best in a 3 way tie for the Big 12 title this year. I can handle losses to teams like Texas, OU, OSU, and TAMU because those are teams loaded with vastly superior talent to KU, but losses to teams like KSU, ISU, and Missouri are the troubling ones to me because those teams are not vastly superior to KU in terms of talent.

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BPSkelly 2 years, 5 months ago

The fact that Matt posts that "list" of horrible games as an option the past two years is a bigger problem than asking the question of weather or not the A&M game was the "worst".

If it was just the 'one' worst game we wouldnt be having the conversations we've had the past 12-18 months. There are more "worsts" here in 2 years than likely in the Mangino + Allen years combined. I dont mean losses. I mean performances so bad, it makes you wonder if the guy in charged has ever coached before.

Id include Mason, whom was the coach when I was there. Mason was alarmingly uncreative on offense. But on "D" weather they were good or not (and generally they were at least decent -- because Mason COULD recruit guys). Even with the "up the middle, up the middle, up the middle, punt" offense they at least managed to stay competitive on occasion. I recall a few stinkers then as well. But not 4-5 per year.

The sentiment that "Two years isnt enough to turn it around" is reasonably apt. But you know what you have after two years. And there hasnt been anything resembling "turn around". If anything, the accelerator has been pressed down harder as we go off the cliff. Even by KU's obscenely mild / moderate / low standards this isnt going to fly. Thankfully.

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average 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm totally for Leach. I also think he'd fit in really well in Lawrence overall, compared to Lubbock. Townwise, at least... can't say for campus politics.

But, we've already got the evidence in hand that it's not going to happen. If the Department was able to digest the hire, Leach was interested, and the money for the buyout was in the works, Mr Leach would be strutting at Memorial right this moment. Before 20 other programs start their hiring process. Since HCTG is still drifting along, it doesn't seem likely that Leach (or anyone currently unemployed of a similar resume) is coming.

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Bear86 2 years, 5 months ago

The aTm game was one of only 2 games I got to watch the Hawks live this year. I have never been more embarrassed as a KU Fan/Alum in my life. This team looked pathetic. Never have I witnessed such a weak effort by any KU team in any sport. I knew this year was going to be tough based on the schedule but to watch teams just man-handle the Jayhawks was embarrassing. I'm all for giving a coach a chance to get his kids/recruits in place and build up a team. However you must make strides over the course of the season and as far as this game went we went backwards by leaps and bounds. Get your check books out Alums. This one is gonna cost us. F-Texas !!!!!

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sheahoRn 2 years, 5 months ago

Yeah...ummmm...I was....ahhhh...kind of hoping you guys would have forgot about those games. I better get to doing something quick. You'd think I'd have already taken care of business and started making calls to get a jump on Arizona, Ole Miss, Arizona State, Illionis, UCLA, Penn State, Washington State, North Carolina, etc. But nope, I'm off bounty hunting with Dog the Bounty Hunter.

Remember, no ice in paradise, sheahoRn

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Kyle Cornish 2 years, 5 months ago

It HAS TO BE Dave Doeren, head coach at Northern Illinois. He has been here and knows what it takes to win at and in Kansas. You can't recruit like you would at USC, or Michigan or West Virginia or big name schools. It takes something different. Anyone yelling for a big name coach is crazy. Mangino wasn't a big name, he was a man with ties to Kansas who knew how to win here and had a plan to do it. Your name won't get wins at Kansas, your plan and your staff will. Dave Doeren is the man for this. No question.

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Eric Sorrentino 2 years, 5 months ago

Sure, the subject matter may be depressing, but this is an outstanding summary, Tait. Completely agree on the A&M game being the worst loss of the Gill era. Not only is it the worst loss in terms of deficit (54 points), but to have it happen this late in the year suggests little to no progress, particularly against a Texas A&M squad that has underperformed this season.

Completely unrelated, but you must be loving the Tebow-mania that's taking over the AFC West at the moment. I still don't believe I'm following a first-place team. It's as if I'm immune to Raiders' victories. I blame JaMarcus Russell, Art Shell, Aaron Brooks, LaMont Jordan (remember that guy?), etc...Goodness, those were horrible teams.

Nice read today!

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Marc Frey 2 years, 5 months ago

For me,it was a tie between UT and A and M but now I agree with Matt. As I watched the game, it seemed to me that KU, on D and ST, had given up. But, it was been a horrible two years. At least I was at the GT game last year. I would love to beat Mizzery and keep them at 6-6.

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anonymous9898 2 years, 5 months ago

I think anyone that simply says the KU job is not desirable has not been following the interviews ongoing at Tulane where both Rich Rod and Mike Leach have met with the school. KU is awful but we have new facilities and a fan base that shows up you cannot tell me Tulane is a better job than KU.

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Gregor Southard 2 years, 5 months ago

A little perspective here. Mangino inherited a team that was every bit as bad as this one and went to a bowl game in his second year. Gill inherited a 5-7 team that was three plays away from being 8-4. Granted there were losses to graduation (happens to every team). Its possible the next coach could be competitive in 2 years, especially if Gill's recruits are anywhere near as good as people say they are. Bring back the Phat Man before KSU hires him as their heir apparent!

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Robert Brown 2 years, 5 months ago

Is this the worst loss? Maybe? Does it really matter? To me, Baylor was the worst loss. Combine that with an underachiving A&M team and things can deteriorate quickly.

The AD has a tough decision to make. If you fire Gill, you need to find a suitable replacement and you better not handcuff the university will another onerous contract. The university will have fired two coaches in two years which makes an already unattractive job that much more unattractive for prospective replacements. Why go to a place with unreasonable expectations and damage your career?

If you think any of these big names will come here, you don't understand the real state of KU football. This is NOT a great job, contrary to what some on the board think.

Everyone brings up Leach's name. I would be interested in Matt's take. I would love for him to take KU where he took TT. But, he sued the university and ESPN. That's not good. I suspect that if KU were even considering hiring him that UT (they don't like him) and TT would put pressure on us NOT to hire him and, I believe, we would comply.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 5 months ago

[face palm]

[head wall]

[body tall building jump]

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Benjamin Simon 2 years, 5 months ago

  1. Cromwell and Leach should be the top two guys on our list. Both have experience in big time football, getting kids to the NFL, and knowing how to WIN. Gill has none of the above.

  2. With regards to the article, I think the Texas loss this year was even worse. Not that there was ever any doubt that KU would not become bowl elligible this season, but when we played Texas we were sitting at 2-5. The season wasn't over (yet), and there was still something to play for (besides pride). The fact we couldn't even manage fifty yards of total offense for the game is tragically funny.

This past weekend's game against aTm was not pretty, but when the team is already 2-8 there isn't much motivation or reason to even show up. (aTm was sitting at 5-5 before Saturday, obviously they became bowl elligible against us, but it's not like we had an opportunity to play spoiler a la Iowa State.)

Given that there was little to play for Saturday, I can write off the bad play a bit easier than I can against a struggling Texas team where we couldn't even move the ball, let alone score.

  1. I think it's safe to say the basketball team's loss to UK last week was a "good loss" in that we learned a lot about the team and know what we need to work on. We kept it close for most of the game, and competed the whole game. Can the same be said about ANY of the football team's losses under Gill?
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Pbbut 2 years, 5 months ago

The sad commentary is that question even has to be asked, and then you can come up with a long list over a scant two years.
IF Zenger is looking to replace Gill, I hope he has a replacement all but signed.
Any thoughts on Rich Rodriguez? I think he was punted out of Ann Arbor while actually showing some visible progress. I've never followed the guy and he seems a little slick, but I believe we need a name for recruiting, excite the fanbase, excite the kids already in the program, and some self-promotion while building the product isn't necessariy a bad thing.

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kujayhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Sumlin has had a pretty good QB to work with at Houston that he didn't recruit.

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LSHawk 2 years, 5 months ago

This season wont be a total disaster if after the Missery game the AD comes out and says, "KU fans, meet your new Head Football Coach- Kevin Sumlin"......then this season might have been worth it.

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Joe Ross 2 years, 5 months ago

Gill now number two on the coaches hot seat rankings...

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/

Hard to imagine how terrible number 1 must be.

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DSKornkage 2 years, 5 months ago

Normally I would say that 2 years isn't enough time. But as has been stated more then once, he is not making progress. Mangino struggled early too, but he made progress. The absolute blasting we get week in and week out proves that progresss is not being made, and possibly even lost. I think we have decent talent around, but they are not playing solid football. I am not saying we would make a run for a Big 10 (ish) title any time soon. But competing, making games close, winning some winnable games should be the direction, not trying to be within 40 pts of the opponent.

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bootlegger 2 years, 5 months ago

Just one more beating Jaychickens; and it will all be over; the Missouri Tigers are hungry; and will see you soon at Arrowhead..........

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dgless21 2 years, 5 months ago

Matt, since it seemingly becomes more and more inevitable that Turner is fired, who do you see as a worthy replacement?

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Fred Vance 2 years, 5 months ago

Answer to your question, "Is the loss to A&M the worst one in Gill's era?" The answer is "no" because we haven't played Missouri yet on Saturday afternoon. Each loss seems to reach new lows. I am sorry, my friends, but things won't get better until a new coach and new staff are hired.... Gill is losing credibililty and fans FAST!!!

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Brandon Pope 2 years, 5 months ago

2 years is definitely not enough time to turn a program around, but 2 years IS enough time to get the program moving in the right direction. This staff has utterly failed to get the program moving in the right direction.

You have to look at Gill's contract as a sunk cost. We are going to pay the man $10 mil regardless of whether he coaches or not over the next three years. His salary is inconsequential to the decision.

The AD has to look at his body of work over the last two seasons and decide if there is any confidence that this staff can get where it wants to go over the next three years. Given the complete lack of progress (in fact the program has regressed substantially under Gill and company) I don't see how the AD can come to any conclusion other than that this guy is not the right guy for the job and he has to go.

That's not to say that we aren't signing up for another couple of bad seasons under whatever new staff we bring in. It will likely take years to put this program back together under the RIGHT staff. But it will never get there under the WRONG staff.

I think that if you look at the end of the 2014 season, when the new staff has had the same amount of time as Gill and company the total W-L record may be similar to what it would have been if Gill stayed for those two years. However, the difference is that over the news coach's first two years there will be signs that things are improving top to bottom. Then 4-5 years into their tenure we may have a 6 win team. 4-5 years into Gill's tenure we would surely be fighting to win more than 2 games per year.

The entire last 2 years were a complete waste of time and money. The higher ups at KU have to look at the state of the program like they did when they fired Mangino 2 years ago. They need to look at Turner Gill (who now has a longer track record to evaluate) and ask themselves "Would we hire this man today, knowing what we know now about it ability to coach in the big 12?" If not, the answer is clear and Gill goes. If so, then there are bigger problems at KU and it may take decades for this program to get back on its feet.

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Ludwig Supraphonic 2 years, 5 months ago

Matt, I agree the A&M game is the most totally inept KU performance of the Gill era. I'm not sure where it ranks in terms of all time KU gridiron worsts. When I get really sick; the current illness seems to be the worst I ever felt. Perhaps because it's freshest in my mind; Saturday's collapse makes me the most despondent. The incompetence seemed equally distributed. The team appeared unprepared and the effort nonexistant. No adjustments were apparent and the offense, defense and special teams were equally bumbling. I want to be supportive of student athletes, and resent my own black humor and sarcasm; which hit an all time low during this debacle. I'm sure everyone connected with KU wants excellence. I lack further faith that significant improvement will occur with KU's current football program

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nb4ku 2 years, 5 months ago

I think HCTG would take a smaller buyout. He is a upstanding person and understands the position the university is in. It's just unfortunate he's not as good of a Head Coach as he is a role model.

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FreddyinLA 2 years, 5 months ago

New coach should be the same guy who should have been hired 2 years ago, Ranson Rambler, Nolan Cromwell.

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Brandon Pope 2 years, 5 months ago

Most. Depressing. Post. Ever.

But thanks for the insight.

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tolawdjk 2 years, 5 months ago

Only on way to make certain. Fire Gill today. You can't tell me we could play worse under an assistant. Hell, make it a lottery and pull a ticket out of the hat. Let Section 14, Seat 16 coach on Sat and draw plays up in the dirt.

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Dickless Head 2 years, 5 months ago

"It’s tough to imagine anyone still cares at this point, but, believe it or not, there are a few who do."

I take offense to this statement. What do you mean a few do? Practically EVERYONE cares, and that's why so many people are so incredibly upset and frustrated that Gill has taken our program and flushed it down the toilet, all the while raking in millions of dollars.

KU fans DO care about football. The rest of the nation thinks we don't...they think all we care about is freakin basketball. Statements like this from the flagship paper in Lawrence don't help!

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lucky_guy 2 years, 5 months ago

Why change now? By the time you get a new coach and a new staff in it will mean that KU has spent about 12 to 14 millon on football coaches in the past 4 years. That is the crazy thing. Stop the madness. Changing the coaching staff now will not get you to six wins any time sooner. If you pay him $6 million to go away you still are in the same place, with no football team and no hope of a bowl appearence any time soon. I say let this play out and get the best coach you can in 3 years, better yet bring in someone now as an assistant that could take over in 3 years.

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Mike Ardis 2 years, 5 months ago

So where does KU go from here? Next week a lot of coaches will be fired - KU will have a lot of competition, might as well start early. I know there are a lot of people who don't like Mike Leach but in KU's situation he might be the best hire, an established, successful, coach who probably wants back in the Big 12, but whose baggage might keep him away from other schools.

And speaking of the baggage, a guy who wrote a book on Leach's firing was quoted as saying that ..."after looking at the facts, Lanning said, he decided that Leach’s firing was not about wrongful actions, but about certain Tech officials having personal problems with the coach and his recent contract negotiations."

http://lubbockonline.com/local-news/2011-11-07/michael-lee-lanning-sign-book-concerning-mike-leach-firing#.TsqJdvF15QY

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