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4:12 p.m. Update:

When Kansas University athletic director hit the road Nov. 30 in search of a football coach to replace Turner Gill, he made it clear that he was looking for the right fit for Kansas and would not be swayed by big-name candidates or the fan base’s desire for KU to land a big fish.

As it turns out, Zenger caught a man who used to work for the Big Tuna.

Charlie Weis, 55, the offensive coordinator at Florida, has agreed to become the 37th head football coach in KU history, KU officials announced around 4 p.m. Thursday. Weis will be introduced officially at a news conference at 5 p.m. Friday.

After breaking into coaching with 11 seasons as a high school coach and college assistant at South Carolina, Weis jumped into the NFL with the New York Giants and coached under Bill Parcells for three seasons from 1990-92. From there, he spent four years with the New England Patriots (1993-96), three years with the New York Jets (1997-99) and returned to the Patriots from 2000-04, where he teamed with Bill Belichick and Tom Brady to win three Super Bowls. All but one of his NFL seasons were spent coaching offense, including holding down the title of offensive coordinator from 1998 on.

Weis is no stranger to college football. From 2005-09 he coached at his alma mater, Notre Dame, leading the Irish to a 35-27 record and three bowl appearances during his five seasons. Although those numbers would signal success at a program such as Kansas, it was not good enough for Notre Dame and Weis was fired following the 2009 season.

That led him back to the NFL, where he previously spent 14 seasons as an assistant coach. Ironically, he returned to pro football with the Kansas City Chiefs. In one year as the Chiefs’ offensive coordinator, Weis helped lead K.C. to the playoffs.

He bolted for Florida following the 2010 season because of a desire to focus more of his attention on his family. Weis and his wife, Maura, have two children, Charles, 17, and Hannah, 15.

For much more on this story, including reaction from people at KU as well as former and current KU players, stay tuned to KUSports.com throughout the night.

Start here:

http://www2.kusports.com/polls/2011/dec/are-you-happy-hiring-charlie-weis-kus-next-footbal/

4:09 p.m. Update:

It's official. KU has announced that Charlie Weis will be its next football coach.

Weis will be introduced at a news conference on Friday. KU officials said he is not in town yet, nor is KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger.

No further details of Weis' hire have been announced at this time.

Here's more from Weis' bio:

Charlie Weis, a 32-year veteran of coaching, including 16 in the National Football League and five as the head coach at Notre Dame, comes to Florida as the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach.

Weis was the Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator in 2010. Weis previously enjoyed offensive coordinator stints with New England (2000-04) and the N.Y. Jets (1998-99). He has coached in five Super Bowls, owns four Super Bowl rings and has been a part of teams that have appeared in six AFC Championship Games.

Weis was instrumental in the development of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, who entered the league as a sixth-round pick in 2000 and who has since become a two-time Super Bowl MVP and five-time Pro Bowl performer.

During the 2010 NFL season, he helped the Chiefs win an AFC West title, and Kansas City reached 10 wins for the first time since 2005. The team has averaged 359.6 yards of offense through 15 weeks, including a league-leading 167.5 rushing yards per game.

As head coach at Notre Dame, Weis tallied a 35-27 record, including 19 wins in his first two seasons, the most in a two-year period for the Fighting Irish since 1992-93. Under Weis’ guidance, Notre Dame reached BCS Bowl Games in back-to-back seasons, earning a Fiesta Bowl bid in 2005 and a trip to the Sugar Bowl in 2006.

Weis demonstrated his ability to tutor quarterbacks with the Fighting Irish as well, as Brady Quinn (3,919 yards in 2005) and Jimmy Clausen (3,722 yards in 2009) put up the two most prolific passing seasons in Notre Dame history. Wide receiver Golden Tate also established eye-popping numbers under Weis, setting a Notre Dame record with 2,707 career receiving yards and taking home the 2009 Biletnikoff Award as the top receiver in the country. Tate also set single-season school records in 2009 with 93 receptions and 1,496 yards and a school record-tying 15 touchdown grabs.

During Weis’ five-year stay with the Patriots from 2000-04, the club won three Super Bowls in a four-year span, only the second team in NFL history to accomplish the feat. New England was 53-27 (.663) during Weis’ five-year tenure and had a 9-0 playoff record.

Over Tom Brady’s first four seasons as a starter in the NFL (2001-04), he ranked fourth in the NFL with 97 passing touchdowns and earned Super Bowl MVP honors in two of New England’s three championship victories, while wide receiver Deion Branch earned the other. The Patriots produced two straight 14-2 seasons in 2003-04, each capped by winning the Super Bowl, and New England rushed for 2,134 yards in 2004, the team’s highest total since 1985.

In 2001, Weis’ second season as New England’s offensive coordinator, he added the responsibility of quarterbacks coach after the death of Dick Rehbein in August of that year. Weis filled both roles for New England in both the 2001 and 2002 seasons. During the second game of the 2001 season, starter Drew Bledsoe was injured, and Brady stepped in to help the team achieve its first Super Bowl championship.

From 1997-99, the Trenton, N.J., native spent three seasons on staff with the N.Y. Jets, working under head coach Bill Parcells. Weis came on staff as the wide receivers coach and was promoted to offensive coordinator in 1998. That season, the Jets advanced the AFC Championship Game for the first time since 1982.

In Weis’ first stint with the Patriots, he helped the club earn its second AFC Championship in team history, reaching the Super Bowl following the 1996 season. Over the four years of his first tour with New England, Weis coached tight ends (1993-94), running backs (1995) and wide receivers (1996), helping players like Ben Coates, Curtis Martin and Terry Glenn emerge as playmakers.

Weis first broke into the NFL as an assistant on Parcells’ N.Y. Giants staff from 1990-92, as a defensive/special teams assistant in 1990 and as running backs coach in 1991-92. In his first season with the team, the Giants won the Super Bowl. He then helped Rodney Hampton to a pair of 1,000-yard rushing seasons.

Weis spent time working in the Giants’ pro personnel department in 1989 before joining the team on a full-time basis. While doing that, he served as head coach at Township (N.J.) High School and led the team to the state championship.

From 1985-88, Weis worked as an assistant at South Carolina. He began his coaching career at Boonton (N.J.) High School in 1979 before serving five seasons at Morristown (N.J.) High School (1980-84).

In 2003, Weis and his wife Maura created the Hannah & Friends Foundation, a non-profit organization dedicated to improving the quality of life for children and adults with special needs. The foundation funds Hannah’s Helping Hands, which provides quality of life grants to families across the country who care for children and adults with special needs. The Weis family opened the Hannah and Friends Neighborhood, a 40-acre facility north of South Bend, Ind., that provides much-needed housing and care services for adults with special needs.

In the spring of 2008, Weis traveled to the Middle East as part of a contingent of college football coaches who were visiting military personnel stationed in the region.

Stay tuned...

2:22 p.m. Update:

Working on a couple of different leads at the moment, one involving Charlie Weis and the other involving Gus Malzahn.

Can't say much more than that just yet, but didn't want you to think I fell asleep.

I'll have updates as soon as I can nail it down. Hoping that's very soon!

In the meantime, I'm hearing that ESPN Radio in Arkansas is saying that Gus Malzahn is the guy at Kansas. I'm not buying it.

Malzahn spent time in Springdale, Ark., as a high school coach and also worked one year under Houston Nutt at the University of Arkansas.

It seems the world is split on this deal. Some say Weis, others say Malzahn. Crazy that the candidates could be so different. Or are they? Both are great offensive minds and both are no-nonsense guys who live and breathe football.

Stay tuned...

11:34 a.m. Update:

For those who have yet to purchase their Charlie Weis bobble head dolls and may still be wondering about Gus Malzahn's role in all of this, a couple of folks who cover the team down in Auburn have told me that the word down there is that Malzahn is a leading candidate for the KU job.

That's not really a surprise. Malzahn's been in it for the past several days. One guy down there told me that some folks at Auburn expect Malzahn to know his status with Kansas by Friday.

Just because he's A leading candidate doesn't mean that he's THE leading candidate.

But I'd be careful about getting too wrapped up in the Weis rumors. It could very easily be either one of these guys.

And, heck, the way this thing's gone, it could still be somebody else entirely.

Our own Tom Keegan just penned this column saying that Dave Doeren could still be in the mix.

Either way, I'm still confident that it'll be done very soon. Likely Friday, with word about who the guy is possibly coming out sometime today or tonight.

Stay tuned...

10:42 a.m. Update:

Spent most of the morning trying to track down this Charlie Weis situation and information is tough to come by. A few different sources have said that Weis is absolutely a legit candidate for Kansas, but whether he's the guy KU is going to hire or not remains up in the air.

Football Rumor Mill continues to push updates on Auburn offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn, with the latest update from them saying that Malzahn has emerged as the leader. This is very possible.

Evidently, so is Weis. What a crazy turn of events this search has taken. All signs continue to point to a Friday press conference to introduce the new coach and a Saturday introduction at the KU-Ohio State men's basketball game.

Here's something to think about, if it is Weis, can you imagine the coaching staff he could put together? I don't know about you, but I think there could be some pretty impressive and surprising names there, too.

While we wait for more info on Weis and the search, here's a video of Weis talking about moving from Kansas City to Florida after the 2010 NFL season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qyntNr1pL4

Stay tuned...

1:43 a.m. Update:

Charlie Weis.

Just the name makes your ears perk up a little more and holds your attention a little longer.

How long? Maybe just a night. Maybe 24 hours. Maybe for the length of whatever kind of contract he'd be willing to sign at KU.

We've reached that point in the search to find KU's next head football coach. Call it crazy. Call it delirium. I know fans of Kansas State, Missouri and probably every other college football program in the country certainly will. But that's OK, because, at least for now, it may actually be an option for KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger and the Jayhawks.

Weis, 55, currently is finishing up his first season as offensive coordinator at Florida. In 2010, Weis held the same position with the NFL's Kansas City Chiefs -- which at least lends some credence to the talk that he may be interested in coming to KU -- and helped KC reach the playoffs.

He left, abruptly, because of a desire to be closer to his son at UF and his family. Now, sources have told the Journal-World that Weis has talked with Zenger in recent days. Whether that was as an actual candidate for the job or more of a consultant remains to be revealed. But the mere thought that this four-time Super Bowl champion who spent five seasons as the head coach at Notre Dame (35-27 from 2005-09) would even be talking to anyone at KU about football is reason enough to pay attention.

There are a lot of things about Weis coming to KU that make no sense. While at Notre Dame, where he struggled to win big but still guided the Irish to 3 bowls in 5 seasons, those who spent time around him said Weis, a 15-year veteran of the NFL sidelines, didn't take to the grind of recruiting, disliked even more the public appearances and donor functions and was more concerned about coaching the X's and O's of the game than running a program. Scary thought for a program like KU, which currently is in desperate need of a guy who can do it all. And do it well.

In addition, it would not be right to blog about Weis coming to Kansas without saying that the idea of him taking on the enormous gamble of trying to win at KU seems at least a little odd.

As for why he might consider it... Who knows? Maybe the challenge appeals to him. Win here and he's a legend. Maybe he believes in and likes Zenger. Maybe he wants to try to redeem himself for the 5 years in South Bend, Ind., and believes he can do better in the college game.

And maybe he doesn't. Again, our sources are simply telling us that Weis has talked with Zenger. To what extent and what was discussed is unknown at this time.

What is known is that after 10 days of waiting, wondering, worrying and hand-wringing, if Zenger ends this search by announcing Weis as KU's replacement for Turner Gill, KU fans are likely to party like it's 2007 and shouts of "Mike Who?" will be heard across campus.

Long, lonnnnnggg, way to go before we're there. And until anything more concrete emerges, you have to assume that KU hiring a guy like Auburn offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn, Jacksonville OC Dirk Koetter or La. Tech head coach Sonny Dykes is much more likely.

But you never know what could happen. Especially with this search.

On to Day 11. Could be another crazy day.

Stay tuned...

Comments

Travis Warner 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow Matt... Just wanted to say that I appreciate the update at 2am!! When did these rumors start? How soon do you believe a coach will be announced? Thanks!

squawkhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

This sums it up (Weis stats):

Notre Dame 2005 - 9-3 2006 - 10-2 2007 - 3-9 2008 - 7-6 2009 - 6-6

TOTAL - 35-26

Recruiting Class Rankings - Rivals 2005 - #40 2006 - #8 2007 - #8 2008 - #2 2009 - #21

Alex Berger 9 years, 10 months ago

If he does that at KU then I'll be ok with that. Also, remember Notre Dame has a killer schedule.

lylemen4life 9 years, 10 months ago

Mr. Tait, That would be awesome. Thanks for updating in the middle of the night. As an avid Kansas Football fan I'd just like to say thank you for all of your hard work. Rock Chalk

Lanny Welch 9 years, 10 months ago

Yes, appreciate how you're staying on top of this Matt. Charlie Weis would be a great get for KU.

Bangkok_Jayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

NOOO!!! Weiss couldn't win at Notre Dame... I am a big believer that you can win at KU, but we are not Notre Dame. If he can't win with a roster full of top recruits then I have no confidence he can win here.

Mandie Eutsler 9 years, 10 months ago

KU doesn't have the academic requirements that ND has. ND can only get top recruits that can make the grade.

Craig Lang 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis did OK at Notre Dame. The problem was the fans had extremely high expectations. Anything less than a NC was a disappiontment. While I would love KU to get a NC in football, I don't think our expectations are that high.

I think Weis could bring together enough talent (coaches and players) to get KU bowl eligible within two seasons and perhaps eventually become a regular contender for the Big 12 (or at-large) BCS berth.

lurkerhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't even....... have you watched a KU football game this year !? Don't answer that because it's supposed to be rhetorical. Having Coach Weis brings relevance to KU and that is something that is guaranteed and that is why Zenger is smart because being relevant is a priority in this age of conference realignment shenanigans. As long as Weis can undo the damage done to the program by getting bowl games, I'll be content.

SCFD187 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis is a disgusting slob. He couldn't win with all the benefits that come with being Notre Dame, and somehow we think he'll build a quality program at KU? He's a great coordinator, but didn't seem like a good head coach.

Cory McCart 9 years, 10 months ago

he doesn't excite me, to be honest. i'm confident they will find someone more fitting. like was said, who knows what his mindset is this time around, though...

mdfraz 9 years, 10 months ago

I second all of these comments. Two good years (his first two) at ND and then no better than .500? What recruiting advantages does ND NOT have?

Add to the fact that one of the big gripes about Mangino was that he didn't play the kiss-as* games that boosters expect. Weis doesn't like them either? Why is this a good idea? What am I missing?

kcjayhwks 9 years, 10 months ago

How come there is practically 0 interest in Alabama's Kirby Smart? Is it believed he's waiting out Saban or Ritch

Ashtin Meerpohl 9 years, 10 months ago

Am I the only one who remembers his lack of success at Notre Dame? Don't get me wrong. Weiss is a GREAT OC and has had tons of success there, but I mean if he couldn't win at ND how is he supposed to win here at KU?

DevilHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

With the exception of the 2007 season, his W-L record is deceiving. During those other seasons, only seven games were lost by more than seven points.

2005: Lost 34-20 to Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl. 2006: Lost 47-21 to Michigan. Michigan went 11-1 during the regular season. Lost 44-24 @ USC. USC went 11-2, beating Michigan in the Rose Bowl. Lost 41-14 to LSU in the Sugar Bowl. 2008: Lost 23-7 @ Michigan State. MSU went 9-3 during the regular season. Lost 17-0 @ Boston College. BC went 9-3 during the regular season. Lost 38-3 @ USC. USC went 12-1, beating Penn State in the Rose Bowl. 2009: All losses were determined by seven points or less.

My guess is that he probably would have been successful again in the 2010 season and beyond.

Jack McEnaney 9 years, 10 months ago

The pressure of coaching at notre dame is interchangeable with the pressure of coaching at ku right? (Sarcasm)

Andy Tweedy 9 years, 10 months ago

I remember when Notre Dame was relevant, but only because I'm over 40. I totally understand why you would say this, but enough have "failed" at Notre Dame since Lou that it's getting hard to blame the coaches.

Mandie Eutsler 9 years, 10 months ago

Brian Kelly isn't doing that great at ND either. It's the academic requirements. Why do you suppose Ivy League schools aren't relevant in college football these days when they are the oldest programs in history? It is impossible to get the best athletes because they can't qualify academically. Notre Dame is headed in the same direction as Harvard, Yale, etc...

Dirk Medema 9 years, 10 months ago

And that's why Stanford is struggling this year or why ND has such highly rated recruiting classes? Academics may be an extra challenge, but there are plenty of smart players that want to play at the dome.

Alex Berger 9 years, 10 months ago

Standford doesn't have the same academic standards for their athletes as their students but ND does. ND coaches have been trying to get the administration to lighten up for years.

Cory McCart 9 years, 10 months ago

No, it is what I was referring to, and it's what was brought up in the article. I guess what the hope is, if this is seriously being considered, is that he's had a change in goals or found a new passion to win at the college level. If that's not believed to be the case, I don't see why either side would really take this very far.

actorman 9 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for the late-night update, Matt. Do you EVER sleep?

As for KU fans partying if KU got Weis, I can tell you that I for one would not be partying in the least. I'd be far more excited about Malzahn, Koetter or Dykes than a tired retread like Weis.

Jack McEnaney 9 years, 10 months ago

Charlie weis is the same guy that developed that brady kid right? this would be a major home run. Oh no, a coach who is focused on x and os. You mean he is worried about making second half adjustments? Once there was this head coach in cleveland who only had one winning season, then got fired. He got hired in new england six years later and won 3 super bowls. Please be true. This move makes ku football relevent literally over night

Bangkok_Jayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Which is exactly why he would make a great hire as an offensive coordinator. He failed as a head coach at Notre Dame.

Matthew Pritchard 9 years, 10 months ago

I could not agree more, all these idiots who say he could not win at ND, do not realize what he has done over his CAREER! Since Holtz no coach has had success there.

Matt Tait 9 years, 10 months ago

Awesome!!! Sad day, indeed. But also a good day to crank up some of his tunes and celebrate his brilliance!!!

LAJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Just sittin' here watchin the wheels go round and round.

Warren 9 years, 10 months ago

This search does lack the "It is Harbaugh, bank on it" -- "It isn't going to be Harbaugh, it could be Gill" -- You are an idiot--- No you are an idiot-- type of feel this time.

Expect Zeahan to pluck Peterson right into our laps Saturday afternoon.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 10 months ago

Peterson turned down a $4 mil per year offer from UCLA; that is a lot more money that KU would offer. He is also thought to be the front runner at Pen State. If he stays put, he will dominate the Big LEast and go to a BCS Bowl every year. The chance of coming to KU are very small.

LAJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I heard it was the Marlins offering 10 years, $220 million.

Those guys are going after everybody...

ironhead80 9 years, 10 months ago

Given Charlie Weis and his coaching job movements especially since his days at ND. I feel he is looking for a sunny place like florida to coach the remainder of his years unless he is thinking to be a GM or AD somewhere. Plus his health will influence how long he will coach. I have been listening to some sports talk shows in oklahoma and some think that there might be some coaching changes on the OU football staff. Notably Brent Venables name is in the for front of the conversations. I've also heard that SZ thinks the world of Venables and is still close to him since the K-STATE days. Oklahoma sports talk also have heard that he may be in the running for the KU job. They feel Venables would do a great job there and I would agree, his players love him and he is a great recruiter plus he has been involved with the football rebuilding at K-STATE when Bill Snyder was there the first time. Also, SZ was there during this time as well. And not to mention coach Venables has seen and been involved with a major football powerhouse like OU under Bob Stoops for many years. MR. Tait will you find more information on Brent Venables status or what interest SZ has in Venables if any on the KU coaching position. SZ would be a super STAR if he hired Venables!!!

William Daniels 9 years, 10 months ago

Hello Mr. Venables, or representitive thereof! Welcome to the KUsports message boards. I have a question for you...why does it seem everyone in OK is so anxious for you to get another job?

ironhead80 9 years, 10 months ago

Good question, I wondered it to. I'am a Jayhawk born and raised in Lawrence however I love OU football since I was young as well. the fans are getting tired of OU getting beat in national championship bowl games this started way back then. With Bob Stoops great recruiting classes thru the years it's becoming apparent to the fans and sports writers and sports talk show host that these players feel there intitled. The character of the players are inquestion some players seem like they have no heart when playing. Fans are frustrated with coach stoops and his staff. Brent Venables has been coaching at OU for years maybe the players are not hearing whats being said. Kind of like Marty when his last few years with the chiefs even he said when he resigned as coach, YOU can coach at a place to long and wear out your welcome. I know thats not exactly what he said but it's around the the ball park.

Lance Cheney 9 years, 10 months ago

If the players feel entitled, then that's on the coaching staff to change their attitudes. If the coaches can't do that, then they're not very good coaches, are they? (I hope that makes sense.)

rob4lb 9 years, 10 months ago

It's a little different in college because your entire team turns over every four years. I used to live in Chicago during the Ditka days. He was effective at first, but by the end the yelling and screaming, though always entertaining, was pretty much ignored.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Agreed. All the OU message boards are overwhelmingly negative regarding Venables.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 10 months ago

Second question: Why has your name been in very HC search for the last few years and yet, every school has taken a pass? What other skeletons (co-eds) do you have hiding in your closet?

Most OU fans think that OU has not had a decent defense since Mike Stoops left.

scarletbhound 9 years, 10 months ago

I'll add my appreciation for Matt's hard work on the coach search. Like many of you I have spent way too much time watching this issue -- to the point where I have even checked out the sports comment sections in newspapers covering other colleges looking for a new football coach. Cases in point are in North Carolina, where the hiring of Fedora was in no way universally praised by Tarheel fans. Better example is Arizona State where negative fan reaction to June Jones was credited for the school withdrawing its offer to the SMU coach. In contrast, I find that most commenters on this site are pretty open to almost any credible candidate. Sure, we have our favorites, but I've seen little of the outright vicious attacks on candidates common on other sites. I also like that most of us are very supportive of Zenger's tight-vested approach to the search. All this speaks well of Jayhawk fandom, and could even make the football job more attractive to a quality coach looking for a loyal, but not mean-spirited fan base.

Danny Hernandez 9 years, 10 months ago

Fedora and June Jones don't seem to be as universally accepted as they would have been had they chosen the Kansas job...Maybe those two fanbases know something we don't or maybe Kansas fans are just not as picky anymore. I never ever wanted those two mentioned as the next Kansas head coach...red flags have gone up for a reason.

Hiring a football head coach is often times a stroke of genius but let's not make it a science project.

I do appreciate the "no leaking" of news thought. Refreshing that someone can keep his mouth shut.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I wonder what it would cost to place a "Help Wanted" ad in every newspaper in America ?

Mark Lindrud 9 years, 10 months ago

Awesome! Might as well since maybe no one wants the job so far....

Mike Barnhart 9 years, 10 months ago

Here comes the cold water! Charlie Weise was never able to recruit a QB to Notre Dame that he could then mold into a superior college starter and his whole system demands great play from the QB.

A Todd Reesing type QB lands in KU's lap once in a blue moon by total accident. If Charlie couldn't bring one to ND he sure as heck wont bring one to Kansas.

aviebs51 9 years, 10 months ago

Ya Jimmy clAusen was a pretty decent college qb.....

Jhawknation82 9 years, 10 months ago

No it will not. We're not hiring Charlie Weiss...

gripp42 9 years, 10 months ago

Just want to thank Matt for his constant updates. It will be like withdrawal when we hire someone. Who will give me that quick fix! Lol

jhox 9 years, 10 months ago

Weiss was 35 and 27 at Notre Dame, a school that recruits players with the school name alone, and was fired there. That should tell you that 35 and 27 is unacceptable in a job like that. I just don't get the excitement. At KU we won't have every highly rated Catholic school boy beating down the door begging for a scholarship. We need someone who will actually hit the road recruiting and find the hidden gems that Texas and OU missed on. Charlie Weiss in not that guy. He is a good X and O guy, no doubt about that, but he is not a program builder.

I've softened on my Phil Fulmer stance. I've heard that he really is motivated to win, and not just collect a pay check. I could live with the selection of Fulmer. At least he's a guy adept at kissing up to donors and recruits.

I'm more and more intrigued by the Wisconsin offensive coordinator. I was hoping for a defensive minded coach, but he might be a really good hire, provided he keeps Mitchell and Beatty around to help recruit.

I mentioned Marty Schottenheimer awhile back. I would love to have him, brother Kurt and son Brian (I believe a KU grad, if I'm not mistaken.) Rumors have been that Brian won't be with the Jets after this year. Maybe start with Marty as the head guy and let Brian run the offense and Kurt the defense (Kurt was one of the best D coordinators the Chiefs have had.) Then, in a few years turn the reins over to Brian. Keep Mitchell and Beatty to help run recruiting efforts. Marty's name would be a big selling point with recruits. Who is better equipped to develop NFL ready football players?

jayhawks71 9 years, 10 months ago

Not that it matters, but Brian was at KU for a year. He bolted for Florida. Not a KU grad.

The_Real_Hawkman 9 years, 10 months ago

I am torn on Charlie, he is getting paid around 2 million at Florida, what will it take to get him here?

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for the update, Matt. And additional thanks for starting a new segment. That other one was SO long it was getting hard to navigate.

FSUJHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

Ok, I don’t want to bring this up but I have to. The fact that KU got rid of TG early by all measures from the coaching profession is a big deterrent to anyone coming to KU. Of course our fan base, tradition and bad media coverage have not helped either. I'm pretty sure all these rumored head coaching interviews/conversations, etc, are actually happening. However, I am not sure many are interested after they've considered the aforementioned. My guess is that KU will end up with an older and possibly washed up former coach or a youngling that will harbor much criticism.

With that said, I am not sure CW is what KU needs. If he is hired and SZ holds him to the same standard he will definitely be gone in year two as well. Look not only at his time at South Bend but look at his one year in Gainesville as well. And one thing I can tell you is that UF has some horses but no real QB. It could be argued that KU has neither so just imagine how successful (or unsuccessful) CW would be at KU in two years.

Let's continue to pray SZ makes the right choices. If not, he needs to be gone as well!

RCJHGKU!!!

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 10 months ago

I completely disagree. Like in any other profession coaches know who can or cannot coach. Any coach worth hiring knows that Gill was way over his head and had to go.

rob4lb 9 years, 10 months ago

You are looking at the world through crimson colored glasses if your DON'T think getting rid of Gill after two years is a deterrent. The coaching fraternity is tight and amongst the coaching fraternity Gill was well respected. Alot of coaches will look at this and say:

"When Turner Gill took the job, he has a good background and was looked at as a coach who was ready for the next level. Taking the KU job was a career staller. I (potential coach) am in a similar position Gill was in two years ago. Gill did not get enough time. There may be better options for me than KU"

I think the fact that we have a new AD can explain this a little bit, but this looks like a job where the expectations are a little unreasonable. Most of thes candidate always have the opportunity to continue in their current job and wait until something better comes up.

bad_dog 9 years, 10 months ago

I have an expectation that we don't get blown out by 30+ points 10 or more times in 2 seasons. I expect more often than not, to be able to win a game where the team has a 20 point lead. I also expect our football teams to be strategically prepared, properly conditioned, make adjustments to other teams at half-time and not commit stupid penalties or call unncessary time outs due to poor clock management.

I don't think those are unreasonable expectations. I don't believe asking to at least be competitive in our conference is unrealistic.

Perhaps I ask too much...

rob4lb 9 years, 10 months ago

I have the same expectations as you and believe Gill was a bad hire. But the perception is that it was not all Gill. The perception is that Gill was given a tough situation with a fairly bare cupboard and was gone after two years. He redshirted alot of talent the first year and played a very young team this year thinking he had time to develop a program. This will definitely be in the back of the mind of most candidates, all of whom have other options.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 10 months ago

You are implying coaches are morons.

I don't know what you do for a living but in my field, we all know who is good and competent and who is not. It would be unprofessional to openly question hires of people in the same field, but in private conversations we all sometimes wonder why someone was hired (way over his head and qualifications) and wonder how long before he/she is let go. Coaches are no different; I am sure that they all knew that Gill was way over his head and it was a matter of time before he was let go.

Gill was not an up and comer. and except for one smoke and mirrors season, he had a losing record in a mid major conference. I still cannot explain why he was hired and neither can 99% of Jayhawk fans and 100% of competent coaches.

If you honestly believe than in one or two additional years Gill would have KU seriously competing in the conference, then I have a bridge in New York that I can sell you...

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 10 months ago

I agree with you, JayHawkFan. It wasn't just that Gill failed to make any progress--he was actually going backwards. I believe other coaches can see that. In addition. these potential coaches aren't just reading about KU in the paper. They will be interviewing with Zenger who will be making expectations clear.

Sayers44 9 years, 10 months ago

Charlie Weis is not the guy for KU.

Quit trying to bring in outsiders.

Let's build the KU program with KU guys......Nolan Cromwell.....

Jayhawk1116 9 years, 10 months ago

I think it's much, much, much more likely that Zeng was picking Weis's brain about other coaches (like Weis's former assistants at ND).

Matt, doesn't this make more sense, and have you done any research about who Weis's assistants were, and what their plausibility as the next KU coach could be?

Matt Tait 9 years, 10 months ago

Absolutely. But you never know, right? I find it very interesting to see how divided Jayhawk Nation is on the idea of Weis. Kind of what I expected to hear, but it's still incredible to see that's it's pretty much an even split.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I imagine Matt is still in bed since he posted this story at 1:00 AM. As 24/7 bloggers, though, we do have the right to expect him to work on this story 24/7!

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow! He answered while I was typing. What dedication!!!

Displayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

We gotta have someone who can recruit! Weis would be a mistake for that reason alone. You can't expect the assistant's to do all the recruiting.

jhawkbacker 9 years, 10 months ago

As a Jayhawk living in the South Bend area, all I can say is please keep that man far away from our campus! All he did here in South Bend was alienate the fan base based on poor in-game discipline, bad in-game coaching decisions and an "I don't give a rat's about anyone else!" As a professor at ND told me one time several years ago: "I used to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his personality until I got the chance to meet him, then realized he's even more of a jack then anyone had even told me." Oh, yeah, it was a theology professor by the way.

Scott Murphy 9 years, 10 months ago

NO, NO, NO!!!!! Weiss would be an absolute disaster!!

FSUJHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

Ok, so i live in central Florida and the Gator fans in these parts are asking this very same question. If CW is indeed a legitimate candidate i am sure SZ is as well.

RCJHGKU!!!

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

Matt, is that right? 1:43 am? While I was sleeping like a baby you were hard at work? Unbelievable! You are the MAN!

That vacation to Boro Boro is looking good once KU gets their man.

Now if the Hawks could get Chris Peterson. . . . .

Jrb09g 9 years, 10 months ago

Is KU only trying to interview guys who are not decent human beings? The anti-Turner Gill's?

manginodrh00lz 9 years, 10 months ago

That's the pattern. Valesente to Mason to Allen to Mangino to Gill.

Jrb09g 9 years, 10 months ago

If character doesn't matter just bring back Mangino.

BigDog 9 years, 10 months ago

I am a die hard Notre Dame fan and a graduate of KU. I had lots of hope when Charlie came to Notre Dame .... "offensive genius" "awesome offensive mind"

In his time at Notre Dame he did okay ... but his system is more designed for the professional game. After his first couple of years and the previous coaches recruits left ... his system went downhill. Charlie's team didn't make good half-time adjustments and his defense's were not BCS level. Charlie couldn't adjust his system to work well in college .... he is much better as a pro offensive coordinator than he is a college head coach.

I believe this hire would give Kansas the big name splash but long-term will be a bad hire. If you want offense mind that has worked in college I would go for a Gus Malzahn or others like him. May not be the splash but their system has worked at multiple colleges and can adjust system to the talent on the team. I have seen where Harbaugh is suggesting Leavitt to Arizona State ..... I would take a Houston Nutt or Dirk Koetter before Weis. Not pushing those names but at least they have been successful at college level, at a couple of places.

lama 9 years, 10 months ago

"A decided schematic advantage!" Except it wasn't at Notre Dame, where he was a disaster. He'd be around 1-2 years and leave or get fired. Awful.

Seth Nesmith 9 years, 10 months ago

Sonny Dykes is about the only homerun hit left.

JayDocMD 9 years, 10 months ago

I would argue that Chris Peterson is the only HR hire left. Pretty much anyone else (Dykes included) will be criticized by a fair percentage of fans.

Even Leach wasn't universally accepted on these boards. Realistically there's no one else Zenger can hire that will keep him from taking shots from us board rats.

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 10 months ago

I'd go farther than that, JayDocMD. There is no one anywhere that Zenger could hire that would keep him from taking shots from the people on this board. We are just a lot of individuals with a lot of individual opinions.

Mangino_Maniac 9 years, 10 months ago

Well this is all plain ridiculous now, eh?

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

What can we do to expedite global warming?

pepper_bar 9 years, 10 months ago

Utterly amazing that people are actually buying this as a possibility.

BayPark 9 years, 10 months ago

Agreed. I come to this site hoping for some info, and I do enjoy the rumors, but it's getting absurd.

ejlumus 9 years, 10 months ago

Please no more Charlie articles. I think I am going to lose my breakfast.

Bangkok_Jayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Guz Malzahn! Jim Mora Jr! Herm Edwards with INCREDIBLE coordinators!!!

jaywalkinhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis has to be the consultant that the anonymous donor was going to pay for that Matt T. mentioned a week or so ago. Glad Z is getting a different perspective on a good fit for KU.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I think the consultant was to help vet prospects as they came up.

blindrabbit 9 years, 10 months ago

Thinking of Charlie Weis about football coach gives me a bad Notre Dame taste in my mouth. Maybe not so much Charlie as the Notre Dame program itself and the Eastern, Cathoilic hype we've grown up with; carries over to Ara Parseghian, Dan Devine, Gerry Faust, Lou Holtz, Brian Kelly and a few others. Maybe Charlie has something left., but seeing him hobbling along the sidelines or sitting in the press box makes me wonder. Will we get a sidelines Pope to go along with his entourage!

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Just waited a few minutes to see if any of the posters that cry 'Racist' every time someone posts something negative about TG have a problem. I guess it must be OK to bash Catholics. Good, that will make this more fun. Do you have to be Catholic to coach the Dolden Gomers?

Kyle Berthusen 9 years, 10 months ago

Religion is not race. You are born with a race. Religion is a choice, and a choice that can be justifiably criticized.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 10 months ago

Religion, race and politics have no place in a sports forum. You can replace "Catholic Type" with any other religion, race or political name and it would be equally invalid and bigoted.

As far as: "...gives me a bad Notre Dame taste in my mouth" the obvious answer is..........never mind, I do not want my post deleted.

KUMC81Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Matt, not too long ago you said it looks like Leavitt is no longer in contention for the job. Was that cause Leavitt was no longer interested or KUZenger? What's the chance that information was just a diversion in case KUZenger needs to use Leavitt as his fall back choice?

Benjamin Piehler 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm assuming it was a more consultant type call.

Lance Cheney 9 years, 10 months ago

I posted this on the other thread late last night/earlyt this morning. I think the Leavitt part is interesting. And the Helfrich part is for manginorh00lz...

http://www.footballscoop.com/the-scoop

"Kansas: We hear a lot of coaches have gone to bat for Jim Leavitt for the Kansas job."

"Mark Helfrich: Nothing specific, but we sure do get asked a lot about Oregon offensive coordinator / quarterbacks coach Mark Helfrich."

Mark Lindrud 9 years, 10 months ago

Matt,

How about a percentage wheel? All of our heads are spinning with the possible directions that this may go!

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

He was last reported to be working on a percentage dodecahedron, he said an irregular polygon with at least one obtuse angle was insufficient for his needs. I think he's a tease.

Steve Reigle 9 years, 10 months ago

Hmmm. Why would we want a coach who doesn't like to recruit, who doesn't like dealing with donors and doing the requisite appearances, and who couldn't get it done at ND?

pepper_bar 9 years, 10 months ago

Since we're obviously not discussing real candidates today, can we talk about how boorish the KU student section is, and what a liability this might be to the coaching search? Will RHFHO leave some candidates disgusted? And does "Home of the Chiefs" offend some tough-minded coaches?

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't know about tough-minded coaches, but I've always been annoyed/offended by the stupid 'Home of the Chiefs' at the end of the national anthem. I mean, maybe 'Home of the Hawks,' but Chiefs? The Chiefs haven't been relevant for years and years.

pepper_bar 9 years, 10 months ago

Plus the Chiefs are a Missouri team. Makes the students look hopelessly stupid.

Benjamin Piehler 9 years, 10 months ago

Lol... half the student body is from KC. If youre going to devote so much of your time here with us KU fans, you should chill out.

Benjamin Piehler 9 years, 10 months ago

Alright buddy. Ill say this much, I've got too much respect for my own time to ever make an account on a Tigers website just to spew hate. Grow up.

Steve_Jobs 9 years, 10 months ago

Believe it or not, KC doesnt have a red line drawn through the center of it. Everyone cheers for the professional teams here and theres nothing confusing or stupid about that... Most Missourians are St. Louis fans anyway, although I wouldnt blame them for switching allegiances b/c the Rams suck.

pepper_bar 9 years, 10 months ago

"Home of the Chiefs" is an idiotic tradition that was born in Missouri and now resides in the KU student section. That's all I'm pointing out.

Power-Towel: I root for KU, but KU's student section is really an embarrassment. You're free to disagree. shrug

JamesA 9 years, 10 months ago

"idiotic tradition", according to who? You?! The only thing hopelessly stupid here is pepper_bar's posts. What do you expect students to do when the football team doesn't consistently compete? Developing a culture takes consistency over a long period of time, and unfortunately the student fan culture is a result of the program's inconsistent performance. If students weren't showing up to basketball games--as well as neglecting football--I'd agree that student support is a problem. Sorry Pep, but your posts read like the mumbling lectures of a senile old fart.

letourneau41 9 years, 10 months ago

Well now Weis is the coach and you look like an ass.

kupride4u 9 years, 10 months ago

Matt, over/under 5 hours of sleep a night for you since Gill got fired? Bet you're ready for this to end! We all are!

billboy89 9 years, 10 months ago

Who is that in the picture, Rodney Dangerfield?

shinanigins 9 years, 10 months ago

I feel that if Weis comes to KU, he will leave it with much more talent then it has when he arrived.

DrGraydog 9 years, 10 months ago

seeing posts indicating Charlie Weiss is the guy....announcement later today and news conference on Friday????

remains to be seen

Thomas Michaud 9 years, 10 months ago

Matt! Where's the update for the Eastern Time Zone lunch crowd to read?! You're such a slacker ... ;-)

Seriously, thanks for the continued work that you do and hoping -- for the fans, the players, and for you (Matt) -- that this ends soon. However, I'll give the AD as long as he needs to get the right person in for this job ...

Which should be in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...

Steve Hillyer 9 years, 10 months ago

I thought there has been some concerns with Weiss' health? Will he be able to tolerste or have the energy to run the program?

BringManginoBack 9 years, 10 months ago

Why has no one mentioned the possibility of bringing Mangino back. Is there anyone else that really makes sense when you think about it? Mark would come back with a new AD and we would welcome him.

pepper_bar 9 years, 10 months ago

Mangino said in a May 2011 interview that he'll never coach at a basketball-first school again. He isn't coming back.

Scott Murphy 9 years, 10 months ago

I still can't believe that there are KU fans out there insisting on bringing Mangino back, he is the most overrated coach ever!! I mean he was 18 games under .500 in the Big XII and that's who you want for your coach? I don't think so!!

NJHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

Really? I thought KU went to Orange Bowl when he was the coach.

kugrad93 9 years, 10 months ago

In the new Big 12, Mangino would have to play Texas and Oklahoma every year. He couldn't beat either one.

TKHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

Matt,

Great coverage as always! I think we all can agree that the new coach will likely be at the OSU game Saturday. Do you think they will announce the name though asap, or do you think there is any chance SZ might try to keep this under wraps for a suprise announcement at halftime? I'd hate for there to be a "Lebron" moment with mixed reactions of applause and boos.

Mike Barnhart 9 years, 10 months ago

Weiss plus a four star QB equals quality football. Weiss plus a lower three star QB equals a frustrated and grumpy Weiss leaving in a huff after a four win third season.

He ain't getting' a four star QB at KU! We need a non-QB based offense.

shinanigins 9 years, 10 months ago

I bet Weis can get a 4-star QB to KU because of his name and the kid can start on the first Saturday next season.

Mike Barnhart 9 years, 10 months ago

Hate to base success or failure on the QB alone. Didn't work out well at ND.

Andy Hess 9 years, 10 months ago

Brock Berglund was a 4-star QB, genius. Check out his ESPN.com profile.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Gonna run the wild cat? Who will take the snap?

You kinda need a QB to make any offense work.

hawkfan30 9 years, 10 months ago

Dayne Crist is leaving ND graduating needs to enroll in a graduate program that ND doesn't offer and is eligible to play anywhere. Did Weiss recruit him? Maybe Charlie can bring him to KU.

texashawk10 9 years, 10 months ago

Some places had Brock Berglund rated as a 4 star QB coming out of high school.

Andy Hess 9 years, 10 months ago

I would welcome Weis or Malzahn with open arms at this point. Both are fantastic choices.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm guessing it's Gus. But willing that it might be Weiss. Sure Sumlin might make it. Don't know about Doeren. Keep hearing Koetter. Leaving out Levitt. Fell for Fulmer rumors.

shinanigins 9 years, 10 months ago

I am just about 100% sure that it will be Weis or Malzahn at this point. They are the only 2 that I am seeing sources say are 'headed to Kansas.' I feel that it is Weis but will be happy with either of the two.

1jhawk2 9 years, 10 months ago

Weiss coming to KU would be awesome! Recruits, coaches, system would and should be competitive to win at least 7 games per year.

First and foremost why would he come here? Salary will most likely need to be $3 mill if not more. We all now our facilities are top notch. He can recruit from anywhere. This is something he can make his own.

At Notre Dame, he had to kiss everyone's a$$ who had money and that pretty much meant everyone. Standards for football were so high, media for Notre Dame is 100 x's more than KU will have. Stress and pressure isn't here and he can focus on Xs and Os, which is what he is good at. Recruiting is done by his assistants based on the type of system he wants to run. I am sure he will get off his bum and make a trip if it's to get the next best QB, RB, WR or OL.

Zenger needs to run our sports program as most CEO's. Let your department heads run the programs and rake in the money. As long as there is a profit...go to Hawaii and leave them a alone to do their jobs. This would eliminate personality clashes.

plotku 9 years, 10 months ago

There is a link saying it's Malzahn closing in on the job, on Auburnundercover.com. I'm not a memeber so I can't see it all but it was posted at 11:04.

5to6 9 years, 10 months ago

I think that someone totally off the radar is going to be the guy. Zenger is the shadow.

TKHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

BTW, anyone who thinks that SZ isn't out there busting his ass for us, and that we won't be rewarded in the end, need look no farther than ASU to see how NOT to run a football program. I know its tough as fans not to be on the inside loop, but to act like a psycho ex girlfriend and start making up stories about what's going on behind closed doors is just that. In business, silence is golden. Personally I am proud of how KU and SZ are handling this process. As always, KU handles itself with class. I doubt anyone really wants the ASU job now that their president has said that the paper work was "taking too long." Not a smart move, and even if they have a coach in the wing, they look foolish.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7327205/arizona-state-sun-devils-pull-coaching-offer-smu-mustangs-june-jones-sources-say

TKHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

And if NC and Fedora have been a lock for the last 2 days, why haven't we heard anything officially yet? Not saying he's coming to KU, but it is strange how rumors get out and then make programs look unorganized.

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 10 months ago

Someone posted on yesterday's thread that the UNC board of directors were meeting next Monday, and that they were required to formally approve the hire before it could be announced. Don't know if it's true, but that would be an explanation.

justfoodks 9 years, 10 months ago

First, I'm a Jayhawk fan, born and raised here, but spent 5 years living in Arkansas. And UA fans are about football like us KU fans are about basketball. I heard Woo Pie Sooie chants in the local Walmart my first football season there.

When I was in living in Arkansas, Malzahn had just come out of Springdale HS, where his players consistently won state champions and went on to be successful college football players, and moved to the University of Arkansas to be the OC under Houston Nutt. Malzahn had a hand in the development of Darren McFadden and Felix Jones, especially in the Wildcat formation.

And let me tell you, when Nutt was gone from UA, Malzahn was the odds on favorite to get the head coaching job from my vantage point. UA fans (like us) don't just embrace anyone. And they would have LOVED Gus Malzahn.

The guy can recruit, he can develop talent (look at how wonderful Cam Newton is doing in the NFL - Malzahn is a huge reason for that), he is one of the most highly touted offensive minds in college football. His offense at Tulsa rated higher than Texas Tech AND Hawaii.

I had held out hope from the beginning that we would go after him, and I'm so glad to see that it appears we are. He would be a HOMERUN hire for the University of Kansas football program.

Rock Chalk.

Seth Nesmith 9 years, 10 months ago

That's some of the best insight I've read during this whole process that actually makes sense. Thanks! You have swayed me, I would like to see this hire.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Can you give any insight as to why he wasn't hired by the Razorbacks? Was he passed over or what?

Just wondering.

dancingoutlaw 9 years, 10 months ago

Experience is the reason. At the time Nutt was fired, Malzahn had been on a college coaching staff for all of one year. Prior to that he was the head coach of Springdale High School in Arkansas. No way was Arkansas going to hire him to be the head man in a conference like the SEC. I am sure Malzahn was never considered and he probably never applied. .

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Figured as much, but was wondering what the perception was from an Arkansas fan was all really.

Ryan Shelton 9 years, 10 months ago

A few years back there were two head coaches in Div. 1 with no college playing experience: Mark Mangino and Charlie Weiss. Don't read anything into this. I'm just saying that it would be ironic.

Ryan Shelton 9 years, 10 months ago

Extremely ironic that all 3 would be "considered" for the KU job.

douglas6280 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis as head coach, interesting. An impressive staff? I hear Todd Haley might be available as a receivers coach.

Chris Bruning 9 years, 10 months ago

"done soon" "likely friday".....I agree and hope so Matt. Hopefully the new coach can get up to Allen Fieldhouse for the big game saturday. Introduced at halftime. The house will be rockin!!!

Robert Brock 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't know who KU will hire but it is obvious that it will take a hard-working genius to get our defense just to be average.

Micah Mandy Haase 9 years, 10 months ago

http://auburnfootballfanforum.yuku.com/topic/22000/Gus-Is-Gone

Look at what the locals are saying on the Auburn forums... Seems they know just about as much as we do.

Micah Mandy Haase 9 years, 10 months ago

Thanks, since its my last name it was easy to pick!

tahawk81 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis is really starting to pick up steam here. Everywhere I look more and more are thinking its a done deal.

bigXIImatters 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis would be an excellent hire. While I am coming around to the idea of making Doeren our guy, I still think we need a big name guy like Weis. I just hope he brings along Romeo and all of this buddies from the Patriots. I say the Chiefs should just concede this season and give Romeo to the Hawks as a gift for being sooo bad!

LSHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis would be OK if he could bring a couple big name coordinators. If we are looking for long term stability I would go with Doeren. Just wish we would get some word one way or another, wasting to much time checking this web site every 15 minutes!

bigXIImatters 9 years, 10 months ago

Agreed. I'm getting in trouble at work because of it.

Mark Lindrud 9 years, 10 months ago

I would be happy with the Malzahn hire. Am curious, are we not interested in Chryst? He seemed to be popular and now has cooled. Just curious. Thanks Matt!

JayDocMD 9 years, 10 months ago

CHARLIE WEIS

Pros: - Flashy hire with more national attention / PR than any other hire - Bring some instant credibility to the program and possibly opens the door to higher level recruits - Great Offensive mind - The XXXL coaching clothing left by Mangino could be recycled

Cons:
- Does he have the desire and motivation to recruit, to resurrect a dead program and be THE face of the football program at a basketball school? - Will he be able to get the skilled players here to implement his offense?
- He's already making around 2 million per year - How much will he expect from us? - Even if successful, does anyone really see him still being here in 5 years? History says "no."

GUS MALZAHN

Pros: - By all accounts a good guy who would represent the school well with media as well as interacting with fans and boosters - Seems to like and be good at recruiting - A very good Offensive mind that has excelled everywhere he's been

Cons: - No Div I head coaching experience - No Texas recruiting history - He's already making around 1.5 million per year as a OC - how much will he cost us? - Would need a superior defensive coordinator (more $$$)

Dave Benjamin 9 years, 10 months ago

I think economically Weis makes more sense since ND is still technically paying him that ill-advised, albatross contract and we may get him at a brief discount. Malzahn would be the right choice however. Not as splashy a name, but a rising star in the coaching world. Hopefully he can attract a decent DC and recruit a QB (sorry Webb) who can run his system. We'd be a fun team to watch!

lama 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis struggled mightily to win at Notre Dame, even with its schedule of service academies and bottom-dweller Big 10 teams. Why is anyone confident he would succeed at Kansas?

Josh Galler 9 years, 10 months ago

I wonder if KU had an agreement with a coach, and all parties agree not to leak and announce it until Saturday afternoon at half,bring out a black car to center court, and let them announce it that way by having Zenger step out first then the coach. My personal fav is Jim Leavitt, but I know most think it will be the Auburn OC.

Micky Baker 9 years, 10 months ago

Matt,

You're doing a good job in your coverage, and you are checking all of the sources. I've never seen anyone work this hard in the media, at least for awhile. I also remember how you did this during the realignment earlier in the school year.

ack 9 years, 10 months ago

Mike Ackerley, Tenn. Titans is my and few other Jayhawk Fans Fav.

William Daniels 9 years, 10 months ago

While we are all being so nutty with this wild speculation, how about this one. Weis as HC, Malzahn as OC and head coaching waiting in the wings when Charlie leaves in a few years. Wow, I just got a tingle. Oh hell, throw in Doeren as DC and we can have a match to decide who gets to become HC when Charlie leaves.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 10 months ago

Do you have any idea of how much that payroll would be?

William Daniels 9 years, 10 months ago

Yep. Just playin'. Maybe we should bet the farm though and go big. If it works, we land on the national scene. It it fails, we hire a high school coach for cheap and remain irrelevant.

Ok SZ, I need some concrete info, I am getting punch drunk on all this speculation!

William Daniels 9 years, 10 months ago

Swap Leavitt for Doeren at DC due to the latest twitter speculation. I am claiming copyright on the Weis HC / Malzahn OC idea... :-) Seems like the twitterverse is getting these ideas now too.

TKHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/12/auburns_gus_malzahn_emerges_as.html

s=6&f=1010&t=8408390&p=1&sto=MS_112392610m/sports/index.ssf/2011/12/auburns_gus_malzahn_emerges_as.html

<p>kusorts.com quoted in Birmingham, NICE!

DevilHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Unfortunately, they link to Keegan's article - not Matt's blog.

Maxandwillie 9 years, 10 months ago

I havent read any of the comments above, but was wondering how Weis could win at Kansas when he couldnt win at Notre Dame.

ja3hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

His time at ND was littered with 7 8 and 9 win seasons, I'll take that any day. He should be able to get KU headed in the right direction. Just think of the kind of staff he could put together.

nwhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

He also has some dubious honors -

2007: "The team ranked near the bottom of Division I FBS in both rushing yards per game and total yards per game. Along with being third from last in scoring per game,the team was shut out twice en route to its first nine-loss season ever. Weis attributed the team's downfall to his own mistakes, including his failure to use full-speed practices and to develop his players properly, as well as to the graduation of star quarterback Brady Quinn."

2008: "In 2008, The Irish started 4–1, but completed the regular season with a 6–6 record, including a 24–23 loss to Syracuse, the first time that Notre Dame had fallen to an eight-loss team. The combined 15 losses from 2007–08 marks the most losses for any two-year span."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Weis

ManginoRevenge 9 years, 10 months ago

10-2 9-3 7-5 Is that winning or is that winning?

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

11 days = 264 hours = 15,840 minutes = 950,400 seconds.

I am going with a gut feeling this will last till tomorrow sometime when the announcement breaks. If not it will have to wait until Monday.

Ron Prichard 9 years, 10 months ago

Rent! Sorry, couldn't help it...Family Guy joke.

townie42 9 years, 10 months ago

In order of my personal preference:

Dennis Erickson Dirk Koetter Gus Malzahn . . . Leavitt . . . Turner Gill . . . anybody else but Charlie Weis . . . shut down the program

I think the reality is more likely that we are not going to have the $6mil for TG's buyout and another $5-6mil to bring in a big name guy right away. I expect we will take a chance on a solid assistant with no real coaching experience. We'll see tomorrow.

William Daniels 9 years, 10 months ago

Isn't it ironic how the $6 buyout could prevent KU doing what it needs to do to make all those improvements with the facilities, all that investment, count? We have to make a decision as if we do not have the $6 buyout. We can only do that if the successful boosters chip in big...I hope that those people actually exist. Because if that $6 mil is affecting our decision, we would have to hire someone that wasn't at the top of our list, and take a chance. I really don't think that this program has much more opportunity to cash in on the good facilities and attention the football program has recently, and needs to land a big one this time. This might be our last opportunity without spending a fortune in more improvements (stadium). I will be old and gray before we would be able to bring in a top dollar coach again...

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 10 months ago

Didn't I read, back when the search first started, that a bunch of alums had ponied up money to help pay Gill off? I'm not sure KU is worrying about that $6 mil, at least not all of it. And as for attention, this search has brought more attention to KU football than even the Orange Bowl.

tanntann01 9 years, 10 months ago

Just hire someone so the focus can go on saturdays bball game!!! Rock Chalk!

townie42 9 years, 10 months ago

I meant to say "solid assistant with no real head coaching experience." Can't edit for some reason.

Matt's blog is so popular the sheer number of comments is locking up my browser! lol

d_prowess 9 years, 10 months ago

Aaaaaannd, here they come down the home stretch!!

Stan Unruh 9 years, 10 months ago

Impressed with the around the clock work Matt has done to keep us updated. Thank you very much. Sounds like we are nearing the finish line!

d_prowess 9 years, 10 months ago

And gives us ESPN exposure. All that may not be worth it if we don't get wins, but that can't be ignored.

rob4lb 9 years, 10 months ago

That is wrong on so many counts. I have a bad feeling about Charlie Weis and hope the 'exposure and visibility' factor in hiring him does not play into the decision.

How did Florida's offense look this year? If he takes the KU job, it will be four jobs in five years!!

jayhawkfan45 9 years, 10 months ago

My own source (logic) thinks from all the stories the malzahn one sounds the best so he will be our next coach

Kirk 9 years, 10 months ago

"Both are great offensive minds and both are no-nonsense guys who live and breathe football."

And neither has any ties whatsoever to Texas recruiting.

gripp42 9 years, 10 months ago

And Gill had ties to Texas recruiting....I want a football coach that can recruit regardless of a certain state.

icanhazrockchalk 9 years, 10 months ago

I think they say that because that seems to be the Big 12's pipeline.

tanntann01 9 years, 10 months ago

I think Malzahn will bring in a good DC...or at least thats what I want to think..

Kirk 9 years, 10 months ago

Actually, ties to Texas recruiting is probably cost-of-entry for the next KU coach, who needs to recruit as well as Mangino and Gill, but coach a lot better than the latter.

Why is no one still talking about Venables? Is it because we feel he's not a good defensive coach? Or because he bangs coeds? Or some other reason? K-State?

gripp42 9 years, 10 months ago

It seems to be down to Mazhan (sp?) and Weiss...strange how this search is turning. I would love to see Weiss as we need to make a national impact to get kids around the nation looking into KU. ESPN would be all over the Weiss hiring.

rob4lb 9 years, 10 months ago

Who cares what ESPN thinks? What has Weiss done at the college level that is that impressive? Why do you think he can recruit? He was a disappointment at ND and started out with a great record but got worse as he brought in his own people. Florida has not been that good this year and he is the OC there.

gripp42 9 years, 10 months ago

The recruits care about ESPN, being on ESPN brings attention to the program...why do you think the Jayhawks are on ESPN so much for bball? Being on ESPN is very important.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Mahlzan would have ties to Texas recruiting from his days at Tulsa and at Arkansas. Plus he would have nice recruiting ties to the Southeast as well.

Weiss, has the name that will get him recruits from around the country.

Matthew Pritchard 9 years, 10 months ago

I am for either one, Malzahn has great recruiting ties in Texas and the south, while Weiss would bring instant Cred to the Hawks. It would also be nice to see all the Wildkitty fans scratching their heads saying"How did they pull that off". Both Coaches would focus on a good strength coach and developing current players. Weiss, Malzahn can't miss with either one!

shinanigins 9 years, 10 months ago

Tait you have raised my expectations to a post every hour so I need info and I need it now.....

I need a coach hired or I need help.

shinanigins 9 years, 10 months ago

I have been seeing rumors (I know.....rumors) that it could be possible that Weis is coming as HC and that Malzahn could be his OC. Seems to be a lot of coaches fleeing Auburn, so something could be up. I have also heard Leavitt as a possible DC.

Wouldn't that be an incredible staff? Weis, Malzahn, Leavitt.... 3 potential HC candidates all together.

kugrad93 9 years, 10 months ago

If Weiss comes to KU, it would be his fourth job in four years. He's never stayed anywhere longer than five years. His last three years at Notre Dame he was 16-21 with one bowl appearance. Explain to me why we want this guy.

WoolyMammoth 9 years, 10 months ago

The shiver is reporting that Weis is New York with SZ discussing who the OC and DC will be. Based on all other reports im hoping its Weis as the Head Coach and Malzahn as the OC. Something fishy going on down at Auburn as their DC just left for the same position at UCF. Also, I dont understand why everyone is saying Weis couldnt win at ND. 35-27 record in 5 years with 2 BCS appearances.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Cause they all have figured out the Gene Chizik is a hack for a coach. If it were not giving Cam Newton's dad $$ (allegedly), that team last year would have been the same team as it was this year. The only reason his teams at Auburn are better than the ones he had at Iowa St. is that there was real talent on the team when he got there.

Now that Chizik has been exposed by his staff for what he really is, it won't be long before he is gone at Auburn and coaching elsewhere and then finally relegated to coaching Div2 ball somewhere, still hanging onto his one moment in time, where luck was on his side.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

PLUS....they are probably seeing the writing on the wall with a very big NCAA investigation upcoming so get out and get away from it before it smears you to the ends of the Earth.

nwhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

16-21 in last three years (2007-2009) despite having brought in recruiting classes ranked top 10 in 2005 & 2006 and top 15 in 2007 & 2008. Oversaw the worst two year record in Notre Dame history. In 2007 had one of the statistically worst offenses in the country.

Lance Cheney 9 years, 10 months ago

That doesn't sound good... I never have jumped on the Weis bandwagon. I hope we don't hire him. I would rather have Malzahn and his crazy wife.

Mike Barnhart 9 years, 10 months ago

ND gets a BCS bid for farting. I'd think Turner Gill could wi... Sorry, can't even finish that sentence.

Mike Barnhart 9 years, 10 months ago

Matt's no just guessing at this stuff. He working his contacts pretty hard. I'd say where there's this much smoke, there's fire. I'd guess Zenger's wanting to know who'd coordinate and recruit for either of these guys before talking about contract offers.

Weis would need some Texas guys on his staff. Mike Stoops works for me! Not sure The Mal-Zohan has good relationships with possible coordinators considering he's only a few years removed from coaching high school. Hope so!

Steve Hillyer 9 years, 10 months ago

It's official, it's Weiss....not to sure what to think about this but I lean towards the negative

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Matt. Does KUsports.com have some staffers at the airports, train stations and bus stops, just to see who might be with SZ when he gets back into town?

kuhawks28 9 years, 10 months ago

ARE YOU SERIOUS??? ? ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY SERIOUS????? WHAT A JOKE. What an absolute joke.

That's it. I'm done . This university is a joke. They don't take football serious and they don't know the first thing about successful football programs.

Anyone want any KU gear? I'm done. F*ckin charlie weis. Yeah. he had GREAT programs at Notre Dame.

What a crock of sh*t.

manginodrh00lz 9 years, 10 months ago

So....you're not happy with the decision?

kuhawks28 9 years, 10 months ago

6-5 10-2 (with someone else's kids) 3-9 6-6 6-6

Yea......that's worth hiring. Way to pick up a coach out of the $1.00 cheapee bin by the checkout lanes at walmart.

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 10 months ago

actually his first year they went 9-3 and went to a BCS bowl> 20 of the losses came by less than 7 points to a schedule that was more difficult than KU will have next year in the round robin b12. Who did you want instead?

Sean O'Daniel 9 years, 10 months ago

I know what you mean man...I think we had a real shot at Nick Saban too..

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm looking for XL's. If you would like to ship them to Nebraska i could give you my address????

John Myers 9 years, 10 months ago

If that makes you give up, then good riddance - you're not a KU fan in the first place. Don't let the door hit ya..

Graczyk 9 years, 10 months ago

The university would be a joke if it placed as much importance on football as you do. And yes, do want some KU gear. Got any shot glasses or beer mugs?

coolsportsdad 9 years, 10 months ago

See ya. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

coolsportsdad 9 years, 10 months ago

Not sure why that reloaded down here. It was directed at kyhawks28 earlier. Rock Chalk

The_Real_Hawkman 9 years, 10 months ago

sure hit me up on facebook Hawkman Jayhawks I will take them

letourneau41 9 years, 10 months ago

I take it you're a genius on successful football programs

RockCaCO3 9 years, 10 months ago

Hi. I wear a medium T-Shirt. I mainly look blue ones, but crimson are cool too.

Thanks, Jayhawk Fan.

Kenny Terry 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't see what's so bad about Weis? I will take KU gear anytime and wear it with pride

Chayse Patrick 9 years, 10 months ago

I agree with you 100%. Granted KU cannot be picky but this is the absolute worst. Don't expect the kstate beatdowns to end any time soon. We needed to hit a home-run with a coach I woulda settled for maybe hitting a double but we definitely STRUCK OUT!!!! you are right What a crock of sh*t. SZ let us down big time!!!

Mark Lindrud 9 years, 10 months ago

Weiss is a big name so for that he's a home run. Now he needs to prove he can be that home run. I'll support him, and trust that Zenger knows more than we do, which I believe he does.

Ben Kane 9 years, 10 months ago

works for me. don't think he'll have to worry about the ku boosters, not quite nd here.

AzNHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm scratching my head on this one. I'm not sure what to think. How in the world did AD Zenger get this one? Of all people, Charlie Weis - NFL, super bowl winning coach to coaching at KU?

Graczyk 9 years, 10 months ago

He's a little tarnished, but still a big get for KU.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

I can't say that this bothers me. Yes I have concerns, but it is better than some other options that were out there (Leach), big splash yes, but will it equate to wins and turning this program around?

Who oh who will the coordinators be???

AzNHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Yes, who oh who will the coordinators be???? That is the question.

I have a suggestion. Bring Malzahn in as your OC and find yourself a darn good defensive coordinator. KU is going to need it.

JayhawkGrad05 9 years, 10 months ago

I saw Leavitt as DC as a rumor on Twitter.

James McGuire 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm with you on this one. There are definitely better coaches out there, but we could have done a lot worse too. I am going to reserve judgment until we see how the team does over the next two years.

I think the coordinators he brings in will have a major influence on how well the team does.

Lance Cheney 9 years, 10 months ago

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! (As I run to my room and slam my door.)

Lance Cheney 9 years, 10 months ago

Stupid LJW, that "no" was supposed to be in all caps.

ahpersecoachingexperience 9 years, 10 months ago

I feel like when the grinches heart grew. I'm actually happy!

Paul Rupp 9 years, 10 months ago

Hmmmm--lots of unusual stuff going on today!

JayhawkGrad05 9 years, 10 months ago

Twitter rumor is that he'll bring in Leavitt as DC. That'd make the hire even better.

Bob Taylor 9 years, 10 months ago

If I remember right, I posted on day 2 "what about Charlie Weiss?" I guessed right wow.

1jhawk2 9 years, 10 months ago

it doesn't matter, EXCELLENT Job Zenger!!!!!! A name we need with a national presence. This is so freaking awesome and all this waiting is now worth it. If it last a year or 5 years, as of right now there is excitement about KU Football.

Congrats and Coach Weiss I look forward to your efforts in bringing this program to national recognition.

Hell Yes!!!

DSKornkage 9 years, 10 months ago

Welcome coach. I hope you can turn our ship around. RCJH!

AzNHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

AD Zenger had to make a big hire in order to make a statement about his position here at KU. My oh my. He hired a big name did he not?

phi4life940 9 years, 10 months ago

Outta LEFT FIELD! Whoa! Not sure how I feel about this yet, but he's for SURE better than Gill!

Rock Chalk!

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

It didn't matter who they hired for the head coach. There would have been people that didn't like the hire.

Now we can just wait and see how many screen names pop up mocking Weiss and make fun of it all and bash him and his players and all his assistants and they will go on and on and on about how this is such a terrible thing.

True fans will step up and support.

Bandwagon fans will, well they will just try and say they are smarter than everyone else. So be it.

Kevin Randell 9 years, 10 months ago

justinryman- you are 100% right! I will be there on Saturdays supporting my Jayhawks no matter what!

Danny Hernandez 9 years, 10 months ago

Most of the names the Kansas fans kept mentioning were dogs but each to his own...I'm quite happy with Weiss and believe his name will get into living rooms of the kids we wouldn't otherwise get into...He'll have us in a bowl game within 2 years and all those Weiss haters can suck on the big one, like they're accustomed

Lance Cheney 9 years, 10 months ago

Well I hope he at least brings Malzahn and/or Leavitt in as his coordinators.

And we might as well start learning how to spell his name correctly. It's "Weis," not "Weiss."

AzNHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Malzahn would be an awesome get as an OC

Ludwig Supraphonic 9 years, 10 months ago

Thanks Tait and Keegan for providing current info and speculation. A troubling factor for me has been the lack of coverage on national websites of KUs search. I've generally been able to find updates and speculation regarding TAMU, UNC, ASU, WSU. and Illinois. Even when Leach was still in play, we were rarely mentioned as a possibility. Unfortunately, the apparent lack of national interest may reflect the difficulties attracting coaches and recruits. I hope our next hire (with the active support of the administration and alumni) will make our program more relevant.

Mike Barnhart 9 years, 10 months ago

The last fat coach we had without college playing experience worked out okay for awhile. Good luck Charlie!

lothario64118 9 years, 10 months ago

I guess SZ is allowed to get one hiring that is bad.

Brennan Keller 9 years, 10 months ago

I think Charlie Weis will do a great job at KU!

Rock Chalk!

Stan Unruh 9 years, 10 months ago

I think Dr. Z hit one out of the ball park. Good job. Let's see what happens.... this could be very good. I'll bet the players like it.

97jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Bummer. There's a reason Notre Dame fired him. Not sure how recruiting will work out, but I guess we'll just have to see. Well, he is half the the roundness of Mangino, so that's good.

1jhawk2 9 years, 10 months ago

because ND wanted to go undefeated every freaking year.

jlvlawrence 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm pretty sure he had some top 10 recruiting classes at Notre Dame.

97jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Yeah, that might be true, but I think the name of Notre Dame itself along with their tradition had more to do with their recruiting than Weis. Also, who did they get to play? Army? The competition in the Big 12 surpasses any schedule they played under Weis I think.

He won't have that luxury at KU seeing that the football program isn't like the hardwood.

Gone in 3yrs.....my predicition.

I think Weis might've snacked on Mangino. I mean, M&M was living in Florida....Weis was coaching in Florida. Hmmm....it's all coming together. Evidence is there! Mangino is inside Weis like a Trojan horse!!!

Ladies & Gents, we've got the little round mound of sound back! Amen!

nwhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Time to dust off the "My Coach Can Eat Your Coach" shirts!

Steve Hillyer 9 years, 10 months ago

Now we can wear "our coach beat anorexia" shirts again

AzNHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Yes, I'll take cautiously optimistic please for 1,000 please.

Wonder if Zenger worked out a deal with Weis on who the OC & DC coordinators would be.

AzNHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

EDIT: Yes, I'll take cautiously optimistic for 1,000 please.

tical523 9 years, 10 months ago

Really tough one to call. Hopefully coaching with and behind the passionate Muschamp re-lit his fire for coaching. This is wait and see but I admit I am excited.

Mangino_Maniac 9 years, 10 months ago

I officially resign as a fan of KU football.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Sweet any signage or beer mugs, shot glasses, banners, XL shirts you can send my way

Thanks.

Mangino_Maniac 9 years, 10 months ago

Just kidding... ;-)

I was just really hoping for Paul Chryst.

Mangino_Maniac 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis will make things interesting. I wonder if he had a DC in mind that made the hire make even more sense. We'll find out soon!

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

Can't wait to find out who he brings in to work with him. NFL ties. College ties. He's got them both so there could be some very strong names on this staff.

John Myers 9 years, 10 months ago

Then you were never a fan in the first place. Later.

Derek Bowman 9 years, 10 months ago

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trey 9 years, 10 months ago

I like it. May or may not work, but we need some positive image work, and this will certainly bring attention to KU and football immediately. Obviously we need to win and time will tell. I like it...

KGphoto 9 years, 10 months ago

Nice! I hope he lures some big time coordinators too. One thing for sure though, we will be better offensively right out of the gate.

Great work Zenger!

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Well, he's not my first choice but with the right DC and OC I might be all in. How the heck are we affording him? Florida just signed him to a 3 year contract at $2.625 million per year. Surely we aren't buying that out or maybe he had an out clause if a head coaching position came along.

Yeah, with Doeren or Leavitt as DC I might be full in especially if we get a top notch OC.

Ed Fox 9 years, 10 months ago

It's $2.625 million over 3 years. Not per year for three years.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Whew! Thanks for checking that for me. My bad.

d2psugrad 9 years, 10 months ago

Not real impressed. Would much rather had Malzahn.

shelleysue 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm good with this. Now please bring us one hell of a great DC! Rock Chalk!!

shelleysue 9 years, 10 months ago

And steal Dawson back from K-State. Just pay him whatever he wants.

Displayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I agree with that! One of the biggest reasons for our downfall! Should have never let Chris Dawson go!

tical523 9 years, 10 months ago

I hope we keep Mitchell, Beaty on the coaching staff.

tylerste 9 years, 10 months ago

People give Weis a hard time about his time at Notre Dame, but they did go to 2 BCS bowl games, I am pretty sure that beats KU since I have been alive. Even when his teams were bad, they still have very strong offenses. If Weis can bring in a good D coordinator (keeping my finger crossed for the levitt rumors to be true), then I believe KU can return to respectability very soon.

James McGuire 9 years, 10 months ago

He left ND with a winning record as well.

Micah Mandy Haase 9 years, 10 months ago

Whats the over and under on how long it takes national news to post this?

tanntann01 9 years, 10 months ago

is he going to be coaching from the press box......?

Travis Shinkle 9 years, 10 months ago

Ugh...

Weis? Really?

I was hoping for June Jones...he rebuilt 2 programs and has an offense that basically plays the game of "first to 60 wins"...

cobweb 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis is a bad ass. Notre Dame sucks.

letourneau41 9 years, 10 months ago

I love the hire!!! Weis should be able to bring in big name recruits and assistant coaches.

Joe Baker 9 years, 10 months ago

Charlie Weis to Jayhawk Nation gridiron- OFFICIAL

kansas25 9 years, 10 months ago

Great hire. Not just for Kansas, but for the Big 12 Conference. KU football, and the conference, just got better...

VaJay 9 years, 10 months ago

Way to go Tait!! You're almost done. Now just find out who the OC and DC will be !!

A note to everybody else - Stay Positive!! This could be good.

tbbucboy21 9 years, 10 months ago

charlie!!! great hire. out stacked running backs will loooove playing in his guys system. dont read into floridas stats this year, they had true freshmen playing qb

dylans 9 years, 10 months ago

Can't wait to see who the coordinators are. Could be another huge splash!

1jhawk2 9 years, 10 months ago

This is freaking awesome! Our image as of right now has changed and what Freshman being recruited by Weiss won't consider coming to KU knowing they've got to be better than anything we have and can play right away. This name and potential is bigger than Mike Leach. Who really thought this would play out this way? Zenger couldn't have imagined this.

Paul Mitten 9 years, 10 months ago

Kansas fans are acting like real spoiled brats lately. This is a big name hire. Sure, he didn't work out at ND, but it's not like anybody has recently, any any of those failed ND coaches would be better than Gill.

Weis is a longtime NFL guy. Sure, he failed at Notre Dame, but players will always remember, this guy helped make Tom Brady into who he is. We'll never have a Tom Brady at Kansas, but maybe we can start having a pro-style offense at Kansas and win a few games and get a few sleepers who still want to make it to the NFL some day. That's more than we've been able to do since Reesing left.

RockChalkAtlantaHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Great hire - coupled witha strong OC and DC and keeping Mr Mitchell employed to help with recruiting, we certainly have a nice base for the next 3-5 yrs.

BillSelf4Prez 9 years, 10 months ago

bad hire. Why did we not hire Fulmer?? 152-52 at Tennessee and on the other hand Weis was 35-27 at ND and Florida's offense is awful this year. A baffling move Zenger...

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 10 months ago

According to reports, Fulmer never had any interest and only talked to Zenger out of courtesy for their friendship.

gripp42 9 years, 10 months ago

How can you NOT be behind this hire? National recognition, super bowls, winning record at Notre Dame, Chiefs actually made the playoffs.

blackhawkjayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Makes me think that most of the other top candidates did not want the job. I can't imagine any other reason you would hire a guy who failed pretty miserably at ND. I would think that he would have been well down the list.

As bad as KU football is right now, it's probably the best we could do. If he can get us over .500 consistently and into bowl games, then we can build from there.

kuhawks28 9 years, 10 months ago

Give me a break, Matt Tait. This guy is a JOKE. He's never done ANYTHING at the college level. It was a desperate hire. The guy never did ANYTHING!!!! ANYTHING AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL!!!!

How many games did Florida win this year???? Exactly. 6-6. 6 and freaking 6.

What did he do at Notre Dame? JACK-A$$ nothing.

The only time he did ANYTHING there was with another coach's kids.

I hope we all enjoy winning two games a year!!!!!

I'm out. Done. If you want any KU hoodies, tshirts, official helmet, plaque, pictures of reesing, message me. I won't follow the football team of a school that doesn't take it seriously.

Paul Mitten 9 years, 10 months ago

Calm down. Kansas fans haven't earned the right to call 6-6 a bad record, or a winning record at Notre Dame "nothing".

VaJay 9 years, 10 months ago

Why don't you leave the website while you're at it...

Micah Mandy Haase 9 years, 10 months ago

What size are you? I will take it all and pay shipping!!! If you watched when they hired Turner Gill at 20-30, why not give Weis a change to play a game before you judge??

Scott Oswalt 9 years, 10 months ago

He made it to the Fiesta Bowl in 2006.

Settle down clown shoes. You're being a prick.

manginodrh00lz 9 years, 10 months ago

Pictures of Reesing? What the what? Like...pictures at the beach or on the field? Either way man, you made me laugh.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Funny. Must have been the non-engineer side of the brain typing.

letourneau41 9 years, 10 months ago

Good we won't have to see your posts on this site anymore.

Mike Ross 9 years, 10 months ago

It would be really awesome if you could post the exact same thing a couple times on the same article about 20 minutes apart.....oh wait, you did. Good job on that one...Are you still looking for kudos or something on your comment? Stay classy....

Bellator 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey do you have any KU thongs I can give to my girlfriend?

Kenny Terry 9 years, 10 months ago

Im all in for some Ku gear but just cause they hired weis is no reason to get rid of your gear.

burnmu 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't know what your definition of seriously is, but this is a seriously great hire. Maybe you should take the emotion out of your argument so that you don't seem so unknowledgeable. Weis is going to do wonderful things for this program. He's gonna have the ability to attract high quality coordinators, and recruiting will start to become better. Weis will have Kansas back to the hay day of Mangino. Where can we meet for you to give me your KU football gear, I will gladly take that from you.

pepper_bar 9 years, 10 months ago

I was wrong for considering Weis an unrealistic candidate. Next question: is this hire going to bankrupt KUAC?

jeff jarred 9 years, 10 months ago

OK, I can definitely live with this! Go Hawks!

squawkhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Meh. Should have done much better. We'll see.

Mangino_Maniac 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow... Wikipedia is updated already for Weis being at KU!

JayDocMD 9 years, 10 months ago

Updated Percentage Wheel

Charlie Weis 100% Everyone else 0%

Robert Howard 9 years, 10 months ago

KU fans wanted a big name. We got it. From a name recognition and reputation standpoint, this is a home run. Before some start the mud-slinging, just stop to think what the alternative could have been.

I'm still trying to let is sink it, but this is huge!

97jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Recruiting will be the biggest question mark for this guy. Also, while at ND, he didn't have to play teams like those in the Big 12. Teams like Army and such aren't Big 12 competition like UT, OU, OSU, and the newly added TCU.

Major mixed emotions on this one..............super skeptical, but Rock Chalk nonetheless.

Ethan Berger 9 years, 10 months ago

Man you either Hate this hire of love this. I am one of the few on the fence. Charlie was a great Recruiter. I watch ND alot, I enjoy watching them. After his first two years, he did great and got alot of recruits, but his last 2 did not finish out well. But he is a HUGE name, and a lot of fans wanted that. He has a winning record so already better off then TG. He is an offensive minded coach, and we have weapons. He will bring money to KU no doubt. As a KU AD zenger made the right choice concerning money. Look at the chiefs when he left. YIKES. I would like to say more, but he is our coach and I will stand behind him and wish for the best.

Dan Pawlowski 9 years, 10 months ago

I like this hire. He has a good FB pedigree and he probably has learned from his ND experience and would do things differently. Has to be better than TG.

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

How this happened.

Well it's very simple really.

Keegan didn't write an article on him and how he would be such a great hire at KU.

No jinx, no imbalance.

Benjamin Simon 9 years, 10 months ago

We all owe a big thank you to Matt Tait's unbelievable reporting and constant updates throughout this process. Matt, you've been fan-freakin-tastic. After you've had a chance to actually catch a night's sleep (2am updates!?), I'm sure it'll be pretty amusing to go back and read the diary of the past 11 days...

Incredible that Weis' name only came up as a possible candidate 15 hours ago. Zenger handled this process absolutely perfectly, and shows he was the right man for the job (Bubba Cunningham who? Turner Gill who?) Not only was this a home run hire, but it brings immediate national attention to the program, will fill seats at Memorial Stadium, and brings in an X's and O's guy who can get players to the NFL. I, for one, am jazzed about this hire.

Jaminrawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Hopefully some KU fans can keep perspective and remember what KU Football looks like to outsiders. I'm not pumped or disappointed for this hire. Lets see what he does with his staff and recruiting. We know he is a big name and he obviously knows offense. Gotta give the guy a chance.

squintseugene1 9 years, 10 months ago

as much as i don't really like charlie weis i think this could be the best hire we could have made hopefully we get the good charlie weis like when he was with the pats or chiefs so this could really be good

rob4lb 9 years, 10 months ago

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/08/wow-kansas-hires-charlie-weis-as-its-next-head-coach/

A perspective from an outside observer. I thought this quote was interesting:

"Weis spent last season as Florida’s offensive coordinator — it’s very likely you’ll hear more cheers over this hire coming from Gainesville than Lawrence — after one year out of the game. "

We will not know how successful of hire this will be for a couple of years, so it is difficult to either jump for joy or jump out of the window. We need to trust Zenger to make the right decision. I wonder how much we are paying him.

JayDocMD 9 years, 10 months ago

As posted above, this is for all you folks who just can't be satisfied...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsaxNehMibg

RockCaCO3 9 years, 10 months ago

....to have a winning season? Rock Chalk dude!

Code_2008 9 years, 10 months ago

I wouldn't mind having a winning season next year... I'd like to go to a Bowl game before I graduate, haha...

irvan moore 9 years, 10 months ago

i betcha he's smart enough to get a quarterback for next year, recruit or juco, it will happen

Gary Wilson 9 years, 10 months ago

It's insane for a lower rung football program like ours to snag a name like Weis. Instant credibility. Recruiting will explode with the national exposure. An actual person with some coaching credentials. Nothing but positives.

Of course those that hate the hire show their obvious lack of knowledge pertaining to all the openings out there up for grabs, and the AD from a lower echelon D-1 programs ability to get the "big fish". We may not win a BCS title in Charlies time here, but it will start the program on the right path to respectability, which until today was about as low as could possible be.

gunnar 9 years, 10 months ago

Big time hire by SZ! Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

Fred Whitehead Jr. 9 years, 10 months ago

"Although those numbers would signal success at a program such as Kansas, it was not good enough for Notre Dame and Weis was fired following the 2009 season."

This very statement belies the mediocre nature of this hiring. Just what is "a program such as Kansas"? A yearly stomping block for most of the other teams in what is left of the Big Twellve cConfeence? Seems that this is the case, the Basketball Academy for the NBA seems to be the tail that wags the dog, and the perinnial falure of the football program is as inbread and systemic as the Rock Chalk Chant. I doubt that this coach will be much better that the legion of former coaches that have been here, Mangino did have some initial success, but the University did not want him chiding the childern of the team, too much like Marine boot camp.

I have said it before, the problem at KU is systemic, the Basketball Acadamey taking first place in the hearts and wallets of the fans and the football program a stillborn disgrace that should never have evolved in a great university.

orbiter 9 years, 10 months ago

ugh, seriously, dude? Michigan didn't get their man last year. Nebraska couldn't hire anyone a few years ago. Tennessee? The list goes on and on, and those are football schools. Get a grip on reality.

VaJay 9 years, 10 months ago

Go away. Really. Just go away. Your closing "remarks" reflect a sick mind.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 10 months ago

1] Well, at least he's not a quarterback from Nebraska 2] The last fat guy worked out OK for awhile. 3] Does Tom Brady have any college eligibility left? 4] Name recognition alone will be worth a couple of 4 stars. 5] Maybe we should switch to gold helmets. 6] He's probably working at a discount. 7] We may not stop anybody but we'll score a lot of points trying. 8] Put Mangino and Weiss on "Biggest Losers" and let them take on Jillian!! 9] I have always wanted a Kansas coach named Charlie. 10) Thank God, someone wanted the job!!

Kirk 9 years, 10 months ago

I echo the kudos to Matt for hanging in there and making it entertaining while keeping us on the lifeline.

railer20 9 years, 10 months ago

One difference for Weis here is that he is not in the Notre Dame spotlight and pressure...yea we fired a coach after 2 years but he was terrible. With not as much pressure here I think he will be great, plus sounds like we may have a good qb following him in even if it is only for 1 year.

Kenneth Hillman 9 years, 10 months ago

This is a big deal. We'll see how it works out but I'm impressed.

Alex Berger 9 years, 10 months ago

Ha I figured, I recognized your avatar and knew you had intelligent posts most of the time. But crazier things will be said on this site in the next few days.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 10 months ago

milehigh...lack of oxygen affecting your brain much?

RockCaCO3 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey Tait, go to bed!

Thanks for all your coverage.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

RockCaCO3---

I will add one more thing. Tait, get that plane ticket processed to Boro Bora for a little R & R! Just like Triple X!

AzNHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Im cautiously optimistic about this one. I'll lurk and continue to follow the program to see what OC and DC he gets. I'll make my a judgement on the field in Fall 2012.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis is definitely name recognition.

Two concerns--- 1. Who will he hire as a defensive coordinator, because our D still needs lots of improvement.

                          2.     How long will he be our coach?     At age 55, that is a 
                                  legit concern.

Rock Chalk--Just damn glad we have a football coach now!

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

NOt concerned about his age. If we get him til he joins the AARP at 65 that's 10 years. if he leaves the football program in winning ways and with a good reputation and a team that competes then it will be OK when he leaves.

Mike Ross 9 years, 10 months ago

With any coach, its all about who he will surround himself with. Who are the coordinators, position coaches, etc. If we can use the name to bring in some good coaches, keep Mitchell, bring in recruits simply from the name and the rings (experience), and bring in the donations then its a good hire. We would take his record at ND ANY DAY! If we 3 bowls in the first 5 years, Im a happy camper.

Vernon Riggs 9 years, 10 months ago

Great hire. Great job Matt. I read your 1:43 am update and thought you needed your sleep. But you called it!

Notre Dame had great recruiting classes when Charlies was there. Much higher standards than KU. He will do great.

Keep Mitchell. Hire a big time DC. Rock Chalk Jayhawks!

southlakehawk 9 years, 10 months ago

What the !!!! guy cannot win with 5 star recruits at Notre Dame; what the.....again! this is HORRIBLE, we'll wish for Gill back. Hope I eat my words but if you cannot succeed at ND (is winning records with with the former coaches recruits), come on!

Kirk 9 years, 10 months ago

He inherited a crappy non-recruiting job by TW who preceded him, and this hurt him against the insane schedule he played against. He still came out over .500 against the toughest schedule anywhere. Something to be said for that. And that was his college learning experience having come in from the NFL. I bet he's come a long way since then.

d2psugrad 9 years, 10 months ago

If TW's recruiting was bad, why did 19 of his 36 wins come in the first 2 years. "Weis tallied a 35-27 record, including 19 wins in his first two seasons" would seam to indicate the longer he was there the worse he got which makes it puzzling how his predecessor would be taking hits for his recruiting. He may be ok, but I don't see strong evidence that this hire will improve recruiting if your going by his tenure at ND.

Stephan123 9 years, 10 months ago

Hope this is the start of real progress for our moribund football program.

tical523 9 years, 10 months ago

Pardon the interruption guys like the hire!

bigXIImatters 9 years, 10 months ago

I applaud the hire. Job well done Zenger! Charlie you will love being a Jayhawk. Has anyone else been reading the posts on espn.com? It was hard to take it. Everyone is ripping on Weis, KU, Mangino, the big 12, everyone. Nice to see some positive posts

Geekinout 9 years, 10 months ago

Under the given circumstances this is a great hire for KU... I'd been happy with Fulmore and even Mason. The KU nation would complain about any hire, just to complain... Who the heck do you think KU was going to land, Urban Meyer? Les Miles? Nick Saben?

I didn't even know he would consider KU.. Great recruiter as well, also don't forget the teams he faced day in and day out at ND. Pretty stiff competition! Plus, ND's academic requirements was a pretty big handicap for him...

Alex Berger 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm hearing Guz Malzhan for OC and Jim Leavitt for DC.

Good job Tait! Get some rest!

Andy Tweedy 9 years, 10 months ago

Does your user name have anything to do with the Seinfeld writer?

southlakehawk 9 years, 10 months ago

From espn "It was little secret that Weis wasn't fond of Kansas City during his time with the Chiefs, and he moved on to the Gators in part so that he could be near his son, who is also on the football staff. He bought a horse farm in nearby Ocala, and has several health issues that include possibly needing hip surgery after the season that could make it difficult to jump right into recruiting." Besides not liking the area and can't recruit because of SEVERAL health issues, great hire.........................

Ludwig Supraphonic 9 years, 10 months ago

Just went to ESPN to view their cryptic write-up followed by 500 fat jokes. Thanks Matt and LJW and KU fans for providing real sports commentary!

irvan moore 9 years, 10 months ago

i thought he was a young guy? oh, it's all in perspective, if you are my age he is young. it's a good hire, he will get some recruits, he'll look to the jucos for some players to get some spots filled and he will bring some emotion to the process.

Hank Cross 9 years, 10 months ago

Like the hire. Instant name regonition ought to bring a few better recruits. His name will get a few doors openned, they may have been closed otherwise.

manginodrh00lz 9 years, 10 months ago

OK - give me a thumbs up or down? First we vote then we fight - Jackie Moon.

Andy Tweedy 9 years, 10 months ago

For me, thumb sideways but leaning up! I'm not totally sure what I think about this hire. Not a GREAT record at ND, but who has since Lou. I've heard he's not a great recruiter, but as long as he keeps good recruiters on the staff, I would think that could be overcome. I'm quite sure he's more prepared than Gill, and he does know offense.

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 9 years, 10 months ago

2 things Weis.

  1. Names back on the jerseys.
  2. Get rid of that blow up tunnel thing.

Andy Tweedy 9 years, 10 months ago

That tunnel wouldn't be necessary if we'd get rid of that damn track!

97jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I think Weis ate Mangino......they both were in Florida. Return of the 'Lil Round Mound of Sound"!!!

kureignman 9 years, 10 months ago

Without playing a game he brings national attention to a down program. If he brings in guys that can recruit and a stud DC then I'm a big fan of this hire.

blackhawkjayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

First order of business.....let's get some new friggin uniforms! The home uni's are about as bad as it gets.

scraptown 9 years, 10 months ago

As a k-state fan I'm disappointed that Gill got fired, but I think I like this hire. He got fired by one of the biggest brands in college football, but I'm sure he'll make a big turnaround at ku, everyone knows it's easier to win at ku than Notre Dame.

scraptown 9 years, 10 months ago

I follow all big 12 teams, but I take special interest in the happenings of in state rivals.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I can definitely understand why you were sorry to see TG get fired, I felt the same when Ron Prince got canned.

jayhawk4alifetime 9 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for your insight, craptown................

FLJHK 9 years, 10 months ago

FIRE Charlie Weis!

Just kidding. He wasn't my first choice, but it makes sense to get a coach that makes a splash and he certainly does that. KU's football relevance just went up a bunch.

Rock Chalk.

melrank 9 years, 10 months ago

Jesse N. nailed the timing again - well done!

lurkerhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

what did Jesse do? am i missing something here?

melrank 9 years, 10 months ago

Jesse predicted that Thursday would be the day of the announcement in a recent basketball chat.

lurkerhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

hah, didn't know. maybe jesse should go to vegas with his statistic-fiend mind of his

1jhawk2 9 years, 10 months ago

Imagine what TAMU is thinking right now! Something like, damn why didn't we think of Charlie. Charlie might kick some serious tail at a school like TAMU in the SEC. Who knows, but for right now...........HAHAHAHA Suckas! Rock Chalk Charlie!!!

Lonnie Edgecomb 9 years, 10 months ago

Charlie Weiss can get Todd Haley for his OC when he gets fired from KC...

lurkerhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

haha, anything is possible! Heck, I thought I'd never see the day Weis coaches football at the University of Kansas

hawk316 9 years, 10 months ago

If it's true that Weis dislikes recruiting, it becomes essential that he include some great recruiters on his staff. I don't care how good of a coach you might be, if you don't have the talent, you'll not experience much success. He would be wise to consider keeping Reggie Mitchell on staff.

smartjayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I guess anyone is better than Turner Gill.

1jhawk2 9 years, 10 months ago

Muschamp had no idea Weis was interviewing and found out Weis was hired as he was on his way to a press conference for Gator Bowl.

Bob Taylor 9 years, 10 months ago

Great job to Tait. You made this fun in the not knowing and constant guessing from person to person. Now the question is who's going to be the coordinators?

Danny Hernandez 9 years, 10 months ago

Great hire...we hit the homerun I was hoping for too.

Great day to be a Jayhawk

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 10 months ago

Perhaps not an "to the moon, over the fence" homerun but a super solid "inside the park" one.

For all the posters that think he cannot recruit...well... he does not have to, that is what the recruiting coordinators and assistant coaches are for; he just closes the deal.

All they have to tell prospective players is...you will be playing for a coach that cut his coaching teeth under the Big Tuna, a coach with four, you heard that right, four friggin' Super Bowl rings, the coach that developed Tom Brady...you get the idea...

Nice work AD Zenger!

ejlumus 9 years, 10 months ago

Bad day in the market, bad coach hire, this has got to be a cruel joke!!!

Jabberhawky 9 years, 10 months ago

Well, at least KU football has nowhere to go but up.

As for the market. Gird your loins...

manginodrh00lz 9 years, 10 months ago

Bad day - ever heard of MLPs? Don't be late to the game buddy.

ejlumus 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey Buddy ... This was not a good hire.

Spencer Goff 9 years, 10 months ago

Silly me, getting excited about KU football, and then we hire the Blob II. Look, if we were aiming for Chiefs rejects, at least give me Herm Edwards, he's fun to listen to.

milehighhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Chiefs rejects? Ummmmm...Weis was good enough to turn the offense around to the point where Matt Freaking Cassel went to the Pro Bowl. If you're going to complain, at least get your story straight.

Spencer Goff 9 years, 10 months ago

Matt Cassel went to the pro bowl because the AFC has been eroding at quarterbacks.

Flacco, Schaub? Hype. Dalton wasn't around yet. Palmer was still "Pissed in Cincy." Manning is 90, Brady is 70, and after that Roflburger was headed to prison. The NFC has the good young QB's, the AFC needs to hit the draft this year hard.

Couple that with the Chiefs schedule that year featuring some of the worst defenses in the land... Look, he is the only coach to ever stop Jamaal Charles, so I'll give him credit for that. Handoffs to Tom Jones anybody?

He may or may not be a good hire for KU, I'll give him his chance, but if people think he is brilliant simply because of his past offensive coaching they are falling into that trap of, "Yet another offensive coordinator that looked brilliant with Tom Brady at the helm."

Seriously, I could be the OC with Brady in there. "Hey, Tom you need some gatorade or water? You're good? OK, just make sure you don't fumble the snap, after that it's money."

Spencer Goff 9 years, 10 months ago

To get down to the nitty gritty of what I think he'll do here:

I think he will have moderate success. I think we'll go bowling. We'll get some offensive recruits because of his connections and his reputation. We will get a few extra looks from the media machine because ESPN lives in his pants, so that is a plus. To be honest, I'm fine with all of those things. Anything past that is gravy.

But I don't expect us to be knocking down the BCS door (or whatever ridiculous system they come up with next to avoid a playoff) every season.

Tentatively, I'll say a positive hire. But don't be giving him credit for getting Cassel to a pro bowl with a slightly over-average season, playing under-average defenses, in a bottom feeding league. And you damn sure cannot give him credit for Tom Brady, as it has been proven the OC matters not in New England. Algernon could get 4k passing yards a year out of Brady.

I also worry the guy, should he have success here, will go Bob Huggins on us. I am not interested in being a stepping stone.

Later bud.

Ethan Berger 9 years, 10 months ago

Well first off, we are KU. We are a stepping stone. Get out of candy land. Second Matt Cassel With Charlie Weis 27 tds-7 ints. Without 10 td-9 ints. Enough?

Spencer Goff 9 years, 10 months ago

We played scrubs 90% of that season. And that garbage about being a stepping stone is exactly the kind of thinking KU doesn't need.

Did Mizzou hire Gary Pinkel thinking he'll be moving on?

Did Kansas State hire Bill Snyder thinking he'll be moving on?

Hell no, and we shouldn't either.

Why are we arguing if Cassel is terrible or not? He had a career year against bottom dwelling teams. Look at this schedule and tell me a QB shouldn't look good regardless of who is the offensive coordinator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Kansas_City_Chiefs_season

Matt Cassel took a 16-0 Patriots team and ran it to 11-5.

And he still only made the Pro Bowl as a replacement for Tom Freakin' Brady. It barely counts.

Clarence Glasse 9 years, 10 months ago

I've always thought the Chiefs won their division, while Weis was there, in spite of Matt Cassel. I'm not convinced Cassel's especially good. Chiefs offensive success was more Weis' fault than Cassel's.

Coach-Matt Koelling 9 years, 10 months ago

What are the odds Coach Mitchell and Coach Beaty will remain on the staff?

kureignman 9 years, 10 months ago

Those two are a must if you ask me. Both great recruiters which CW will need.

JayHok 9 years, 10 months ago

A few days ago I sat on the 7th row of the Oregon-UCLA Pac 12 championship game. Incredible venue. There is one huge thing that KU needs to do thats not all that expensive to really bring the fans into the game. Lower the field and make our stadium a pit surrounded by ravenous fans!

Boston_Corbett 9 years, 10 months ago

"not all that expensive"

uhhhh....major issues there. Most people think all you need to do is dig the field down further, and build in lower level seating, but there are major underground springs / geologic units which transport lots of water below and through that location from the Hill. At one time Frederick developed the numbers before the first stadium rehabs happened, and they were pretty expensive. I am sure it can be done, but to say "its not all that expensive is inaccurate.

741hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

In fact, it can be done. I spoke to Dolph Simmons, Jr. in the early 90's about this. Three months later he sent me a copy of the letter summarizing the conclusions of an engineering study on just that issue. The study revealed that it CAN be done. That the foundations of the stadium are solid. Drainage is not an issue. Blasting rock will make it more expensive.

Note: Many, many schools, in many different ways have gotten rid of their tracks. For expample, the FIRST stadium expansion at OU (after they constructed both sideline stands was to take out the track . . . in 1948!

Tear Out the Track!

741hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey, JayHok. I attended the Oregon vs Oregon St. game. It lived up to the billing. What a great place, great crowd, great game production.

I've been pleading "Tear Out the Track" since 1985. Now that Washington is tearing out their track, KU and Duke are the only BCS schools with tracks inside their stadiums. (Not a characteristic I'm willing to share with Duke Football.)

Now, maybe removal of the track (and the horseshoe) will move up Zenger's priority list.

NOTE: You CANNOT create a home field advantage when the fans are 8 lanes away from the fans (on each side)!

Terry Sexton 9 years, 10 months ago

Weis had to put up with that insipid tomahawk chop at Arrowhead & then that arm clapping gator chomp thing that the Florida fans do. That's enough to make a fella move twice in two years.

TigreStripes 9 years, 10 months ago

I had my doubts about Zenger, but this is a good sign from him i think

blackhawkjayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

So....many of us are asking: why Weiss? The hidden question is: why Kansas? Why does Mr. Weiss wan't to come to Lawrence?

Hank Cross 9 years, 10 months ago

At the very least, it looks as though KU is at trying to be relevant in FB. Any amount of FB success will help next time conference re-alignment will start up again - as it will. If KU gets to be even a slightly better-than-mediocre, play in a mid-December bowl, type of team - with decent fan support, we're going to look better to potential conferences.

Mat Davis 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm concerned about Weis's lack of success at the college level. At ND, he did well with Brady Quinn, but afterwards they weren't good. At Florida, offensively they weren't very good either. Also, if he does well at KU, I firmly believe that he'd leverage it to get to a HC job in the NFL. It'll be interesting to see who he gets as his coordinators. I'll reserve complete judgement until I see the product he puts on the field. Lastly, I'm curious as to what Zenger's reasoning was behind this hire. Tomorrow should be interesting for Jayhawk Nation.

Benjamin Piehler 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm curious what effect, if any, Weis' contacts over at the Chiefs will have. I heard Haley and Weis didn't get along, but I'm hoping he can attract some pro-caliber kids.

blackhawkjayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I hope that everyone understands that the reason it took this long to hire a coach is that no one wanted the job. You need a big pain in the ass like Weiss to think that he can stand up to Snyder, Texas and Oklahoma. Zenger knows that a single-division Big 12 makes KU a hard hire. Weiss has more self-confidence than Madonna. Maybe.... he is the right hire.

As much as I don't like it.....a cocky SOB may be just what we need.

jhawkbacker 9 years, 10 months ago

One of the first original comments made in defense of this hire that actually seems logical. He is a pain in the a#& for sure and may be just what the doctor ordered. I guess if we're never going to win a bunch of games, we should at least win a few games and piss some people off, RCJKU!!!!

danmoore 9 years, 10 months ago

Zenger should be commended. Under the circumstances we could not have done better than this.

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

Bull. 152-52 vs 32-27? Fulmer vs Weiss and Fulmer sought us out? There were a lot of better names out there. How about Cromwell? Doer would do better than Weiss. This is a fiasco.

FarSideHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

We got a big name, which is a positive.

Not convinced of his recruiting abilities and whether he is a long term solution here.

Still not a bad outcome.

3puttbogey 9 years, 10 months ago

This is not the right guy. Now we'll have to replace Zenger before we can get a decent football coach.

bad_dog 9 years, 10 months ago

Note the tigger avatar. Might explain a lot.

Reminds one of the old joke:

Q: Why do golf courses in Missouri only have 14 holes??? A: Because they NEVER make it to the FINAL FOUR!!

Seth Nesmith 9 years, 10 months ago

For all the naysayers, 6 years ago when he was coaching on the sidelines in a BCS game after having the success he had at New England, we all would've gone nuts for this hire. 6 years ago you wouldn't have bet a nickel a great coach like him would come to KU. It's a great hire for KU! His name alone has gotten us the national media back. He comes from one of the all-time great coaching trees. You truly don't understand football and KU football if you don't like this hire.

trey 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm shocked at so many whiners about this hire. Really? Yes there is risk, but who did you think was a slam-dunk guaranteed winner at KU? Give me the name and why? To me...

Someone that makes us relavent --- Check. Great offensive mind, given current Big12 landscape --- Check. VERY SMART, as we're not likely to out-recruit the rest of the Big12 --- Check. Hard ass to drive discipline and work ethic --- Check. Recruiter --- Check.

What am i missing here? Yes there is risk, but certainly no more than any of the other candidates. This will be fun.

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

A lot of new monikers on here lauding the Weiss selection. Is that a free marketing service thrown in by the lame search firm that was used. I hope the the LJW does a FOI request now that it is over. This hire is a fricking joke.

Gary Wilson 9 years, 10 months ago

You would have a lot more credibility if you knew how to spell the guys name. May I suggest a new moniker for yourself? Yours just doesn't seem appropriate.

IrishHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Initial reaction? Honestly, underwhelmed.

Big name? Sure....but:

Big Ego, questionable motivator, has very bad reputation for not playing well with others on staff, up and down recruiter, hasn't really had tangible success at the collegiate level, and if he actually sniffs success for us at KU my fear is he's gone in a heartbeat to a better job so we didn't even secure any hope for longevity - boom or bust we're looking at another 2 years to a new hire again.

And the rumors of him not liking the KC area when he left the Chiefs are just icing on the cake.

Let's face it, everyone in the country knew when he took the OC job at the Gators last year that it was just a pit stop trying to get back into HC job, and likewise everyone - especially recruits - will recognize that Weis is only here to try and build up his tarnished reputation enough to get hired on somewhere else that's on par with his ego.

We could've and should've done much better, Sheahon.

1jhawk2 9 years, 10 months ago

The reason he doesn't like KC area is due to the KCMO school district bus system. His daughter with some sort of disability was left behind at 2 different occassions by the bus company. The first upset him and his wife, the second time was the final straw. Put you and your kids or someone else you know in that situation and you would be upset as well.

Seth Nesmith 9 years, 10 months ago

Yes, 2 BCS games and 4 superbowl rings are way beneath KU football standards.

ejlumus 9 years, 10 months ago

Just curious, but why does everyone think he is an offensive genius? Florida offensive production struggled, ND was nothing to write about. Yes NE was good but he had a terrific QB there and did not look up but my guess is NE averaged more points per game after he left.

Not pleased ... but i will trust Zenger.

squintseugene1 9 years, 10 months ago

what about the chiefs performance before, with, and after weis with a proven to be lackluster team he revitalized their offense so he actually might be an offensive genius

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 10 months ago

Ugh! Like I said earlier....swing and a...whiff.

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 10 months ago

My GT friend already texted me that we (KU) are "chubby chasers"!!! LOL

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 10 months ago

That would make HER chubby...wouldn't it?

Bangkok_Jayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I'll trust Zenger, but I am not thrilled about a guy who couldn't produce with a roster full of top recruits.

VaJay 9 years, 10 months ago

Here's an article in the Washington Post online. It offers some good nuggets, like him needing hip surgery & hinting we might get the ND QB...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/kansas-hires-florida-offensive-coordinator-former-notre-dame-coach-charlie-weis/2011/12/08/gIQApqrEgO_story.html

milehighhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

ESPN openly speculating Weis may bring Dayne Crist (ND QB) with him, who would not have to sit out a year.

<p>Gatorcountry.com saying multiple sources indicate Florida's offensive line coach will come with him.

Reggie Mitchell has a great recruiting pitch now.

You'd have to be delusional to think we could get a better hire than this, with so many openings at better football schools. He has the name recognition to put the program on the map, and should be able to bring in good Coordinators.

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

The only way to salvage this mess is to buy a key-man life insurance policy for about $20M naming KU as the beneficiary, then by him all the cheeseburgers and fries he can eat until we cash in.

1jhawk2 9 years, 10 months ago

Something to think about as people say Weis didn't get it done at FU. He was there for one season and played against 3 of the top 5 defenses in the country. Brantly hardly played in his first 3 years because of TEBOW. It's a new system to all the kids and coaches working with the kids. As good as an offensive mind CW is said to be FU should have been better, yes. Keep in mind he didn't recruit these players. Wait a minute, that brings up another question, who did recruit those players? REALLY, URBAN FREAKING MEYERS players. Maybe that's was stressed out Ole Urb. The recruits weren't his and he saw these kids weren't as athletic as what inherited.

Anyway enough on Urb, but Weis is a name which we need. He is in a less stressful situation because the Football tradition at KU isn't anything like was expected to live up to at ND. Rich boosters won't be bothering him day in and day out and the media won't be hounding him as he plays with his X's and O's. If he gets us to a bowl each year, an average of 7 wins a year with a couple 9 win years, I would be flipping out.

What coach has ever won every game anyway. Saban's lost, Miles's lost, Mack Brown's lost, Leach lost, Pete Carrol lost, Lou Holtz lost. To the poster who wanted Fulmer because he was 100 games over .500 of whatever, Weis couldn't possibly do what Fulmer did while at ND with strict academic requirements and killer schedule every year. Fulmer was good, but Weis could have been as if not expected to win every game.

Regardless, the wait is over and we have a coach. Just excited that we have something to be excited about.

I can't wait for football to start!

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

I turned around and got behind Gill but this time around I am going to be a little more critical. I want to here the story. I want the LJW to do an FOI request and get the story and to tell the story. When one guy does it all, there needs to be a little light shed on the situation.

VaJay 9 years, 10 months ago

You want to "here" a story? Did you even go to college?

ja3hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

You mean you expect people to do research and actually think about what they say behind their keyboards. Good luck...

BayPark 9 years, 10 months ago

The reality is, given where our program is--on the friggin bottom--and our reputation as a basketball school, we didn't have a lot of choices. This is a great hire. The best possible hire.

Gary Wilson 9 years, 10 months ago

Reading some of these comments leads me to believe that most people have no idea what exactly KU football is historically. A basketball school first and foremost just hired a nationally recognized head coach and people are bitching about it. Talk about unrealistic expectations from the mouth breather crowd.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

We didn't like what you had to say so we had you turned off. Don't take it personally.

mikehawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Let's ask ourselves one question. Whether we like this hire or not, how important to the KU program is it for Charlie Weiss to be successful at KU? We need a coach, whomever he may be, to be successful. OK, we had our fun in dream world thinking top flight coaches would come flying in on moonbeams to save the day because we think they love KU like we do. Chris Petersen? It was NEVER going to happen. This hire represents the reality of our program at KU. It was going to be either an up and coming assistant with no head coach experience (with the donor/fan base saying in unison "No Name who?"), or a retread head coach with a recognizable name and nothing really to lose. It was the latter. Now is the time to get behind the decison and allow recruits to see and hear some excitment. Because if he fails, and it will take three years, not two, to really know, then this program will be perceived (though it may not in reality be) as one of the worst in the BCS. Let's add the fact that if the conference wars heat up again and we need to find a place to land, our football program is a major liability. Humbling, isn't it? For now its over. Let's go the Fieldhouse and enjoy the fun Saturday. And if they introduce Charlie Weiss at the game Saturday, let's cheer our heads off even if we had hoped for Chris Petersen or Mike Leach or Larry Fedora.

ChicagoJHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Thank you Slick50!

You guys realize he was hired to coach FOOTball, not basketball right??? Where are all these high expectations coming from all of a sudden??

When people say he underperformed at Notre Dame, that's by Notre Dame standards, NOT all the same thing as KU football. At Notre Dame, anything less than a national championship is a failure.

At the very worst, we will be an okay/average team, which is way better than what KU football normally is. No, we won't be national champions but we will win a respectable amount of games.

ja3hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

A lot changed after we won that orange bowl, we got a taste and we want more!

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

Any one of Keegan's choices would have been better. I'd swear, right when I think KU cannot do anything more stupid. Any one of more than 20 names mentioned on this site would have been better. Zenger must be a K-state mole.

d2psugrad 9 years, 10 months ago

Kind of have to agree. Always thought he was a clown when he was at ND. May be fine as an X and O guy, but not so sure about the personality. Definitely doesn't strike me as someone with fire in his belly that could inspire a kid to play hard.

bjejayhawk69 9 years, 10 months ago

Excited but cautious. Zenger needed to make a splash and he did. I thought Leach would be a home run. Weiss could be a triple or he could get thrown out stretching a double into a triple. Name along will bring in recruits ( especially offense) and national spot light. This does give KU some attention and not as a punch line under Gill. On the flip side his record slid in the last few years. He will need a solid DC. If rumors are true about Leavitt that would be awesome. Zenger and Leavitt do have a relationship. If Leavitt comes then it could be a grand slam.

I am still happy I don't have to look to next year with Gill at the helm.

I am on board - RCJGKU

Graczyk 9 years, 10 months ago

I am excited about the possibility of Leavitt, too. I always liked him at USF. He made those UCF Knights so mad...

sportjunky 9 years, 10 months ago

I can honestly say that I'm not that excited by this hire. He has a great resume-- right up until he gets to Notre Dame. I do sincerely hope that he works out well, and I do lend my support to this coach, and I will continue to do so for at least the first couple of years. I'll reassess my thoughts at that time. Nothing personal, Coach Weis, we've just had some poor luck here at KU and we're all a bit weary of our football coaches. I wish him luck and I hope that this will lead to some great success for our football team! Go Hawks!

irvan moore 9 years, 10 months ago

i hope dane crist comes along for one year to show nd what they missed, him and a few juco guys and we win 5 or 6.

Studogg 9 years, 10 months ago

Well, we're gonna score. How much we'll win remains to be seen. One thing's for SURE... He's an upgrade over Turner Gill

DallasJayhawk1 9 years, 10 months ago

This is like Christmas come early for our football program.. National name recognition now with Weis, and even better if he is bringing some of his ND people and/or Crist. It's like inviting a hot a chick into your tub and she brings some extra girls that are cute in with her. Let's be realistic--every year we just need to go 6-6 or 7-5 every and get to a bowl game and then come April be in the Final 4--that works for me.

Dan Pawlowski 9 years, 10 months ago

Oh man, you forced me to think about CW in a hot tub. That violates several human rights treaties.

1jhawk2 9 years, 10 months ago

For the people being critical of Weis and the PR standpoint of going on the radio and TV. Look at the old man in the rotten apple. When he is on TV or radio, he's dry and to the point. He's a ball coach, not an entertainer, that's what they have TV/Radio personallities for. I don't care if he goes on the air once a week or once every week. If he gets W's then he can do what he wants. Get over it and stop finding things to pick at.

sportjunky 9 years, 10 months ago

Good point-- Snyder is just a jerk when talking to the media. He's just barely short of rude, and soemtimes just rude. He has the TV personality of a brick. What matters is that he can flat out coach.

thejhawk93 9 years, 10 months ago

Love it! Welcome to KU Coach Weiss!! TRUE Jayhawks are behind you and wish you the best. I can't wait for next September! RCJKU!

okiedave 9 years, 10 months ago

Welcome to Kansas Weis. Make us proud.

okiedave 9 years, 10 months ago

Welcome to Kansas Weis. Make us proud.

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't think I would call it an upgrade. Oh year, we will probably get 3 wins next year. You might be right.

K_Easthouse 9 years, 10 months ago

Really looking forward to seeing what HCCW can do here.

And if there was any doubt about what kind of splash he would make: Weis is No. 5 on Twitter right now. Gotta love that.

Daniel Kennamore 9 years, 10 months ago

Any idea on how much this is going to cost us?

arizonahawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Very interesting remarks today. People love the hire. People hate the hire. People claim he failed at ND and KC. Allow me to state the obvious, KU football is NOT Notre Dame football. Should KU want to ascend to Notre Dame's football prowess, YES. How about we set the standard of finishing above .500 in conference, playing/winning in a BCS bowl.

I personally like the hire. He has worked at all levels and will probably be a great football teacher. His knowledge of the game can help develop the players we currently have under scholarship and excite a bunch of players who may not have otherwise considered us.

That's my two cents.

babyjay1 9 years, 10 months ago

It's my Bday and I wanted a new head coach named today... Happy Bday to me!! I am excited!! Big name, could bring solid assistants along... Mostly, it's not Gill and it's not a "nobody.". I was waiting to decide on buying my season fix for next year and now, I definitely will buy them!

Ben Kliewer 9 years, 10 months ago

Like the big name hire, but cautiously optimistic.

My two cents.

sportjunky 9 years, 10 months ago

Okay, well, as somebody said earlier-- he's gotta be better than Turner Gill.

Clarence Glasse 9 years, 10 months ago

Supposed to be 558 comments on here, but I can't see any of them! Bummer!

bradh 9 years, 10 months ago

I think most of these people would find something to complain about if Zenger had hired Bob Stoops. Good grief, give the man a chance. I've liked what I';ve heard about the staff he's putting together.

ja3hawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Here's the deal. KU has never seen a hire of this caliber... Ever! I've already spoke to several k-staters who are making the hire sound bad because they are scared. Deep down they know it's a really good hire and they are probably the majority of the trolls on here pissing and moaning about it.

Jayhawk1116 9 years, 10 months ago

Hiring Weis may damage our run, run, pass, punt offensive philosophy.

riverdrifter 9 years, 10 months ago

Hire Mark Stoops as DC, pay same $$$$$$$. I know: dream on.

Mike Mainzer 9 years, 10 months ago

Great Hire - Who knows the true stability and status of the Big XII conference and this puts KU a step closer to being relevant in football and ultimately to have a choice of remaining in the conference or seeking a better situation for the university. At two football wins this year, we were the fat kid in the kickball game hoping not to get picked last if the Big XII broke up. This will position us better when TX and/or OU decide to bail in the next few years.

danmoore 9 years, 10 months ago

The last ND coach to come to Kansas died in a plane crash. Bad omen.

JayhawkzzRock 9 years, 10 months ago

When you get one of the "Three Weis Men" to come to Lawrence during the holiday season it should be a Christmas to remember. Now if he brings Christ (sic) (Dayne Crist) with him as his QB it could be a great "new year" too.

danmoore 9 years, 10 months ago

The LJW has a 24 hour grace period for angry posts. This time tomorrow you need to be on the bandwagon. Like it or not he’s our coach.

hawkfromoz 9 years, 10 months ago

I think this a very exciting and interesting hire.

mcrckchlk 9 years, 10 months ago

I really want a "Charlie Bit Me" tshirt

milwaukeeJAYHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm optimistic about the hire. Don't think he'll create huge stability, but maybe he can pull us out of the dumpster at least.

Let's realize that KU football isn't a powerhouse, so let's just accept that we got a big name and let's roll with it!

Bob Taylor 9 years, 10 months ago

This is soooo awesome that I called this back on day 2 of the search. People at my work said I was crazy.

hawkfromoz 9 years, 10 months ago

I heard on the radio that Grunhard may be his o line coach

getserious 9 years, 10 months ago

Just so you know, in other parts of the country, this hire is being laughed at. Did anyone see Florida's offense this past year? Pitiful. Also, a coach's appearance does have an effect on recruiting and the overall reputation of the university. Weiss is a Slob. This is a terrible, terrible hire. Within 3 years this will be the nail in the coffin of our new AD. Ridiculous.

Ervin O'Neal 9 years, 10 months ago

It is getting really old hearing KU fans keep saying over and over that Weiss can't recruit. He didn't like recruiting. Which coach does? But that doesn't make him bad at recruiting. For the sheep that just hear one comment from a disgruntled ND fan and simply repeat it, here are some facts to consider. - On 11/30/04, while Weiss was getting the Patriots ready for their 3rd Super Bowl win in 4 years, ND fired head coach Tyrone Willingham. ND tried to hire Urban Meyer but settled on hiring Weiss on 12/12/04. At that time, Charlie had never been a coach at the college level. He graduated from ND. But did not play football there. - Within 30 days from the time he was hired, ND had received all of their commitments for the class of 2005. This class was ranked #40 which is pretty amazing given the talk of Willingham likely being fired and Weiss having no recruiting experience or long list of candidates for a staff. It is not as if he was planning to leave the Patriots. - Here is a listing of the ND recruiting rankings: 2002 #24 2003 #12 2004 #32 2005 #40 (Signed 30 days after he was hired) 2006 #8 (Charlie's first full year of recruiting) 2007 #8 2008 #1 (That's not a typo. Despite the high academic standards, #1) 2009 #21 (Charlie's last year as coach and under heavy scrutiny) 2010 #14 2011 #10 - If 2005 - 2009 results say to KU fans that Charlie "can't" recruit, I would argue that you are confusing our current expectations of basketball recruiting classes with football classes. - Charlie's struggles on the field at ND started when his 07 team only had 3 returning starters on offense and 5 on defense. The 06 team had 1 All-American sign a pro baseball contract and 12 players sign with NFL teams. His 07 team went 3-9 and Charlie still landed the #2 class for 2008. - For a first attempt as a college head coach, he at least had the (fill in your own word) to take on an institution that was ready to fire Lou Holtz for losing 2 games in the same season. I can't imagine what the pressure and distractions are like as the coach at ND. My guess is that Charlie was getting tired of the drama/demands and was letting it distract him. - None of us know for sure if this will be to best or worst hire KU has made since Bill Self. - But surely, even the most pessimist of you should at least give him some time on the job before your negativity starts to show. - Some of you (and you know who you are) were hoping for Fulmer but are outspoken against Weiss. Fulmer was burnt out and out of coaching since 08. No one had him on their list. From 2006-2008, his recruiting classes ranked #23, #3, and #35 vs. #8, #8 and #2 for Weiss. So I'm not exactly sure why you are so big on one and against the other. - Great job Zenger! Now let's all get behind our coach. Think positive people. It's almost Christmas. Have some joy in your hearts. It's always a great day to be a Jayhawk!

David Gisi 9 years, 10 months ago

I had to register here just to comment on this one. I'm going to take a wait and see approach to Weis in a new environment, but frankly I was hoping for a better hire. Lived in the South Bend area for several years now and its laughable to read some of the comments on here about ND and Weis. For people who try to justify ND's lack of success because of academic standards, they just don't know what they are talking about. It's less than Stanford, and a far cry from Ivy League. As far as the pressure to win at ND, Weis didn't do himself any favors. His "schematic advantage over every team we play" statement revealed the blatant arrogance that was his most noticeable trait. Maybe the experience has changed him for the better, maybe not. In regard to Brady Quinn, statistically he wasn't much better under Weis than Willingham. He just threw more under Weis. On the bright side, Weis's best records were in the seasons with the lowest recruiting rankings. Since he likely will not be able to get high-ranked classes at KU, maybe he will win more.

kudzutexas 9 years, 10 months ago

He has got to keep Mitchell and Beaty! Please! Tim Grunhard (Pro Bowl lineman with KC Chiefs and National Champ at Notre Dame) said Weis asked him to coach linemen at Notre Dame and he couldn't, but he would do it at Kansas.

kudzutexas 9 years, 10 months ago

Rivals had the Tim Grunhard interview today where he stated he'd take the offensive line for Weis.

holyglenmasonsghost 9 years, 10 months ago

Great hire. UF's Will Muschamp openly admitted to hiring coaches with NFL experience. Weis can honestly tell recruits he knows what it takes to make it to the NFL and succeed. Owning 3 Super Bowl rings helps his credibility too.

The Notre Dame job, as Brian Kelly is finding out, is the dream job for 65 year olds who remember Joe Theisman and Paul Hornung. It's goddamn hard to recruit to rural Indiana on the ghosts of a broken down legacy. In spite of this, Weis did a very good job there recruiting some top flight talent to the school.

Now, if he can get Romeo Crennel to come over as DC...

d2psugrad 9 years, 10 months ago

Hope he can pull in good coordinators.

Florida finished ranked 102nd nationally in total offense with an average of 334.2 yards per game. The Gators finished 72nd in scoring offense at 25.6 points a game. As a point of refernce, KU finished ranked 106th.

Ervin O'Neal 9 years, 10 months ago

If the #1 point guard in the nation was considering KU, above all other coaches out there, I want Bill Self in that kid's living room.

If a 5-star QB was willing to go to a college further from his home just to have a chance to play for a coach with a proven history of developing NFL caliber quarterbacks, I'm very satisfied with Charlie Weiss sitting in that kid's living room. I mean really, given the available candidates, is there even a close #2 choice?

Welcome Coach Weiss! Bring some big time recruits.

Good Job Zenger! Now lower the field. Pump up the boosters. Add an upper level to the North and East sides of the stadium.

Then we can all sit back and watch KU improve the football program to a new high. And, in a few years when the Big 12 implodes, we will end up in an even better conference while watching MU fade into the abysmal cellar of the SEC.

Rock Chalk!

142466 9 years, 10 months ago

Charlie Weis? I've never been impressed with him. However, I don't claim to know much about the details of coaching football. As I've said before, I'm sceptical of any NFL coach who is persuaded to become a college head FB coach because you don't whether he has the desire and ability to recruit. I have the same view about NBA coaches, too.

Weis reportedly does not like to recruit. Doesn't look good. Time will tell. Beggars can't be choosers, I suppose. I'm concerned that both KU and Weis are beggars.

Brad Potter 9 years, 10 months ago

Mr Gatti's pizza buffet breakfast celebration on the morrow.

Ervin O'Neal 9 years, 10 months ago

Of course my Weiss comments are a little bias. I was out on a ledge today after hearing the news about Pujols. To get me to come back inside, my co-workers started telling me that KU hired Charlie Weiss. Of course I thought they were lying to me. But after doing a quick check on my iPhone, I smiled and came back inside. Charlie Weiss saved my life today :) Thanks Charlie! It's all good!

Coach-Matt Koelling 9 years, 10 months ago

The more I think about it the more I like it! A lot of team success comes from great QB play. Baylor, OU, and Okie St. all lose their QB's next year, so they should be down a bit. Not saying we can beat them, but a competitive team always has a chance.

A couple things that would make this a grand slam hire: 1. If Dayne Crist decides to come to KU - He's already announced he's transferring he'll be eligible to play right away because he's already graduated from ND. Charlie recruited him to play in his offense at ND. 2. Jim Leavitt decides to join the staff as our DC

Rock Chalk!

Brad Potter 9 years, 10 months ago

Mr Gatti's pizza buffet breakfast celebration on the morrow.

Brad Potter 9 years, 10 months ago

Mr Gatti's pizza buffet breakfast celebration on the morrow.

Jim Jackson 9 years, 10 months ago

Some of these posters are in a state of delirium. This KU football, who do you think we were going to get? Urban Meyer? This man went to back to back BCS games. Sure his overall record wasn't great, but it was good and they ALWAYS play a very tough schedule (Michigan, USC, Stanford, MSU).

He will attract better talent with those super bowl rings, I can guarantee that.

Martin Rosenblum 9 years, 10 months ago

It's just football!

Let's get over this. We should be obsessing over playing Ohio State on Saturday instead of picking this poor guy apart!

We just want a winning football program as a distraction on Saturdays when there are no hoops games. A winning season and no embarassing press involving any of our coaches would be a true gift.

lothario64118 9 years, 10 months ago

I wish we could get over your mother. That beech is as wide as she is long like you're comments.

Martin Rosenblum 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow, a "Yo Momma.." retort! Haven't heard one of those since the 80's. I've got no problem with Coach Weis, I, like the majority of Jayhawk Nation, prefer to focus on the icon of KU, our historic basketball program. No reason to bring somebody's long since deceased mother into this.

Norm Jennings 9 years, 10 months ago

a.already tired of the fat jokes b.there were no "great" hires available, not for this job even Leach had issues c. at least we didn't get an unknown or a "retired" coach for multiple seasons d. he may not last 3 years e. he may not win an OB f.. he has already made talking about KU football relevant again

good hire

Pitthawk34 9 years, 10 months ago

Dear Charlie-Please bring back the names on the jerseys so I know who the hell is playing.

chrishawkins 9 years, 10 months ago

Late here on the comments so not sure if this has been discussed, but any word as to who Weiss plans on bringing in as the DC? The man has a great offensive mind but defense was a big part of his downfall at ND (3 DC's in 5 years). Aside from that I personally like the hire. It has brought loads of attention to KU football as I'm sure many of you have noticed/pointed out. One other note, a knock on Weiss is that he wasn't into going on the road to recruit and also has hip issues so hopefully he keeps Reggie Mitchell on staff. The man has prove to be an excellent recruiter.

rush24 9 years, 10 months ago

SZ deserves a lot of credit...he walked into a tough situation but has handled it well. Didn't waste time firing Gill, kept the coaching search discrete (which more schools should learn to follow) and created a buzz about KU football with a big name hire. Welcome Coach Weis and Rock Chalk!

jgkojak 9 years, 10 months ago

A few observations-

1) Zenger is going the Oklahoma State route. He wants to put pts on the board, score 50, dare you to match it. That'll get you to a bowl game pretty much every year. You know what else it does? It sells tickets. If you're gonna go 7-5 winning 17-10 Chiefs style vs. 7-5 winning 56-49. The latter fills up Memorial Stadium.

2) To all the Whiners: he hired a guy that had a winning record at a major program, is a proven recruiter AND who knows how to prepare kids for the NFL/next level (how important do we feel Danny is at this for attracting big men for basketball?) This is better than an unknown assistant or someone from a C-USA school that happened to have a good year.

3) What's with all the weight comments? Most coaches are former players, and guess what, football players are big guys, and most former footballers have a few extra pounds. Its football, not America's Next Top Model.

irvan moore 9 years, 10 months ago

please remember, tg is gone, we have a new coach that has experience at the highest levels. life is good in lawrence kansas, a cloud has lifted and the sun will shine again

Ryan Shelton 9 years, 10 months ago

I supported Mangino. I supported Gill. I am very excited about the potential that Weiss brings with him. But a head coach needs to trust his coordinators so that he can do his job, so I will be very interested in seeing who he brings in, and even more curious if he retains Mitchell.

I just pray that the online fan base gives Coach Weiss more than one game before sicking the dogs after him.

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