Coaching Search 2011: Day 7, 6:53 p.m. - Sumlin out at UCLA; Auburn OC Malzahn in the mix at KU? Plus, sizing up the coaching vacancies


6:53 p.m. Update:

According to the LA Times, Houston coach Kevin Sumlin is now out of the race to become UCLA's next head coach.

At this point, it looks like the only way Sumlin moves on is if it's to Texas A&M. Otherwise, he probably will stay put at Houston. Crazy turn of events. Seemed pretty certain that if Houston had won that game he was headed to A&M.

Here's more:

Still trying to contact some agents regarding the guys in the running for KU. If nothing more comes tonight, tomorrow could be a huge swing day.

Stay tuned...

3:03 p.m. Update:

Lotta talk down at Texas A&M about Charlie Strong becoming the favorite for the Aggies now. Makes sense. The man was the defensive coordinator at Florida before going to Louisville and has a lot of ties throughout the SEC. If that goes down (Smart, Sumlin and Fedora are still alive at A&M), I'd think the picture becomes much clearer...

Just speculation and a gut feeling here, but if Strong's the guy for A&M, here's how I see it going:

Strong to A&M Sumlin to UCLA Fedora to Kansas Freeze to Ole Miss Jones to Arizona State

Not sure where that leaves Carolina or Illinois. Carolina's still entertaining Chris Petersen and Gus Malzahn, and there's talk that Air Force's Troy Calhoun is gaining ground there... Illinois looks to be headed toward a coordinator, with Wisconsin's Paul Chryst possibly at the top of that list.

Doubtful that this is the way it goes down... That would just be too simple. But this is one logical outcome based on what I'm hearing and reading everywhere I can.

Stay tuned...

2:28 p.m. Update:

Couple of quick things I've been able to find out about Malzahn in the past couple of hours... Nothing major here but a couple of interesting tidbits that might indicate how serious a candidate he is here.

• Malzahn has been in contention for several jobs during the past couple of offseasons. He's regarded by many in the business as one of the brightest offensive minds in college football and would definitely be able to keep up in the Big 12 once he brought a few players in to help.

• Talked to one source who seems to think the KU talk might be a leverage play for Malzahn, who also is a top candidate at North Carolina.

• Most of his ties are to the south - before becoming the Auburn OC he held the same position at Arkansas and, while there, he was named the top offensive coordinator in the nation. That said, he did spend two seasons at Tulsa (before going to Auburn in 2009) and also was born in Irving, Texas.

• The guy loves the hurry-up, no-huddle offense and, in 2003, he wrote a book about that philosophy. He's also known as one of the top innovators of the Wildcat offense that has spread throughout college football and even the NFL like crazy in the past decade.

Not saying he's a leading candidate or even a likely option, but there's a very good chance he's in the mix here and, if so, that could be intriguing for KU's personnel. Think of all the Wildcat stuff KU ran this year, all the backs they have to utilize and how good Christian Matthews looked running that set late in the season.

Still waiting on a couple more calls about this situation.

Stay tuned...

12:33 p.m. Update:

Like many of you, I'm hearing wild rumors about Auburn offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn being a strong candidate for Kansas. I've got a couple of phone calls out to find out more about this so stay tuned.

My first thought is that it would make sense considering the fact that we started hearing yesterday that there were still a couple of names in the mix that weren't being talked about much, if at all. I think Malzahn fits into that category.

Here's a quick look at Malzahn... We'll dive in much deeper very soon if these rumors get legs.

Also, here's an update on the situation at Texas A&M for those still tracking the Aggies, as you should be.

More to come, stay tuned...

10:12 a.m. Update:

All right, well the conference championship games are behind us, the BCS mess is still in front of us — no surprise here, but I’m in the camp that says Oklahoma State belongs in the title game; 7-3 advantage in W’s vs. teams with winning records; 5-2 advantage in W’s vs. BCS Top 25 — and we can finally start to zero in on what some of these schools with vacancies in their head football coaching offices are going to do to fill them.

A lot has happened during the past 48 hours and a lot more figures to go down in the next 12-to-24 hours.

Things remain quiet in the Kansas camp, as atheltic director Sheahon Zenger remains on the road but has not tipped his hand about where he’s been, who he’s met with or when he’ll return.

It looks like most of the names on that Top 5 list (Fedora, Mark Stoops, Dykes, Koetter, Doeren) we came up with the other night are still in play, but rumors of other candidates who haven’t been mentioned much continue to swirl. I’ve said all along that it seemed like there was going to be a name or two on Zenger’s list of finalists that we weren’t talking about and it looks as if that still could be the case.

Trying to track down who those mystery names could be.

One thing I have been able to track down is another name of someone it’s not going to be. After talking with some South Florida folks at the KU basketball game yesterday, you can forget about Skip Holtz leaving USF. He was probably a long shot for a couple of reasons anyway, but these people made a pretty convincing case for why Skip’s not going anywhere.... maybe ever.

To kick things off today — Day 7 of KU’s coaching search — and before things change too drastically too rapidly, let’s take a quick look at each opening and see where things stand. Here goes nothing:

Favorite: Larry Fedora looks like the front-runner, but KU’s not alone in feeling that way about him
Still In It: Sonny Dykes, Dave Doeren, Dave Christensen, Mark Stoops, Dirk Koetter, Couple Unknowns?
Call Me Crazy: Boise State’s Chris Petersen
Hot Link: You’re on it!

Favorite: Gotta be Houston’s Kevin Sumlin, even with Saturday’s tough loss to Southern Miss
Still In It: Larry Fedora, Louisville’s Charlie Strong, Alabama DC Kirby Smart and TCU’s Gary Patterson all being mentioned
Call Me Crazy: What about Baylor’s Art Briles?
Hot Link:

Favorite: Looks like Arkansas State’s Hugh Freeze is prepared to take the job
Still In It: Maybe nobody, but Kirby Smart may still be in the mix; Fedora has rejected it
Call Me Crazy: Seems like Freeze not getting it would be crazy at this point
Hot Link:

Favorite: Reports late Saturday said SMU coach June Jones and ASU had been in long talks
Still In It: Larry Fedora (he’s everywhere!)
Call Me Crazy: Nothing would be considered crazy at ASU right now
Hot Link:

Favorite: All we know is Petersen pulled out
Still In It: Miami’s Al Golden, Kevin Sumlin, Former Oregon coach Mike Bellotti
Call Me Crazy: Former Jacksonville Jaguars coach and California native Jack Del Rio
Hot Link:,0,6885923.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fsports+%28L.A.+Times+-+Sports%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

Favorite: Larry Fedora is expected to interview with UNC
Still In It: Auburn OC Gus Malzahn, Air Force’s Troy Calhoun
Call Me Crazy: Kevin Sumlin
Hot Link:

Favorite: Too hard to say because Illini have been so quiet
Still In It: Wisconsin OC Paul Chryst, Larry Fedora (yep, again)
Call Me Crazy: Kevin Sumlin
Hot Link:,0,4070053.story

That’s a decent look at where everyone else stands — or at least stood as of Sunday morning... From here on out, we’ll get back to focusing on what’s happening at Kansas.

Stay tuned...


blackhawkjayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Whiffing on June Jones would be a mistake. I'm hoping that we have at least spoken to him.

hawk316 8 years, 4 months ago

blackhawk, I met Jones years ago when he was the QB at Hawaii. As you probably know, he later enjoyed great success there as the head coach. He's a good character guy which I think should be right at the top of the list for anyone we hire. But, I would be surprised if he comes to Kansas. Nevertheless, we certainly could do a lot worse...A LOT worse!

P.S. Ignore the same post of mine below. I meant to respond to blackhawkjayhawk 's post and somehow screwed up! So, I did the 'ol "copy and paste" routine.

baldwinjhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Just moved from dallas and June has a $3 million home in Highland Park (think country plaza area) also no pressure from anyone at smu. He only has to fill a 30,000 seat stadium which smu still has problems doing. i don't think he would leave for KU. My pick is Fedora if we can get him.

TXBBall55 8 years, 4 months ago

Unless June moved very recently, he lives in Plano. I was at a dinner with him recently and we talking about how he likes living in Plano (and his son plays sports in Plano...).

I agree though, no way you're getting June from SMU. Laughable. He may leave for ASU (who knows), but I actually asked him about KU. He remained professional, but it was a "no."

Kyle Sybesma 8 years, 4 months ago

From the little searching I did last night I found that ASU looks to be the only one with Fedora as top candidate. N Carolina is interviewing him but looks like they have a larger interest in Auburn OC Gus Malzahn. If ASU and NC are truly interested I still think KU would have to be a front runner because Fedora can recruit Texas easier from Kansas than North Carolina or Arizona St. I'm liking our odds. Go get him SZ.

Matt, Is it possible that Fedora decides to stay at Southern Miss?

Matt Tait 8 years, 4 months ago

That's definitely possible. He's got a good thing going, he's got a good team coming back and he's in line for a good raise if he chooses to stay...

I wouldn't bet on it, but if things don't go exactly the way he wants them to with all these searches, that could easily happen.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

That definitely could happen, but I would be rather surprised if he doesn't make the BCS leap in some fashion. He has put in his time, and he is definitely ready for it.

Hopefully he discovers what the rest of us already know: Very few places better to inhabit than Lawrence, KS.

Micky Baker 8 years, 4 months ago

Some of the teams in Conference USA aren't very happy with him for beating Houston yesterday, because it cost the league $17 million dollars for not having an at large BCS bid. Just some of the chatter that they were talking about during the game yesterday. Was Fedora coaching yesterday for a $2.5 million a year plus deal some where else?

How much is Kansas willing to pay him? Because if he get's the KU job and takes KU to a BCS Bowl in 2,3 or 4 years will Kansas fill the South End with new seating and maybe think about moving the fans closer to the field to make it a daunting stadium for opponents?

I'm just saying, when realignment comes up again, Kansas needs to have something that is attractive for BCS conferences to want to keep them.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

He was coaching to win a football game. Did you expect him to throw it so the conference would get the BCS money?

I'm sure the federal prison he would have found himself in for fixing the game would be well furnished...

Micky Baker 8 years, 4 months ago

Oh, no I didn't expect him to throw the game, but he thoroughly out coached a team that was undefeated, at Houston, and the coach that seems to be A&M's favorite.

Fedora knows his name is being thrown around for a lot of openings.

The fans around Conference USA was hoping he would throw it, for the $17 million. You might want to pay attention to the fact that I mentioned that is what the ABC announcers were saying during the game. They didn't mention Kansas in that mix though(some media bias for sure).

If he did throw the game for the conference, he wouldn't be on anyone's list afterward, but he also wouldn't be in prison for it.

Nobody expect Southern Miss to win that game. Fedora thoroughly out coached Sumlin.

Bville Hawk 8 years, 4 months ago


The 'Hot Link' under North Carolina just says that Fedora is on their AD's list but yet your "Favorites" line says that Fedora is "expected to interview with UNC." What is the source of your info that Fedora has agreed to interview with UNC?

Matt Tait 8 years, 4 months ago

I've seen that multiple places... I'll try to find a link.

Jack Wilson 8 years, 4 months ago

Football is everything??? Ugh. Have you learned nothing from visiting Allen Fieldhouse?

AirCapJay 8 years, 4 months ago

I think what he means is in regards to conference realignment that has been going on. Basketball means nothing in that regard.

Dirk Medema 8 years, 4 months ago

Few schools have the BB tradition that KU has, so in most cases FB absolutely dwarfs everything else. KU BB is elite, and there have been articles in all the realignment buisness that said it does have influence. It's not everything at KU, but even Coach Self has recently commented on the need for it to grow at KU, b/c we've maxed out the BB portion of our brand. In Self we trust - until the next top recruit decides to play somewhere else, and then his very purpose for living will be questioned.

Dan Pawlowski 8 years, 4 months ago

Hmm, a sport which does not have a legitimate way of crowning a national championship is everything? Interesting perspective.

kureignman 8 years, 4 months ago

Chris Peterson coming to KU reminds me of the people who 2 years ago were obsessed with Harbough coming. It ain't happening. But Zenger can not assume he'd say no and has to make that phone call. With that being said, he should be in constant contact with Fedora, a real possibility and the closest thing to a home run hire.

kesmithstl1 8 years, 4 months ago

actually, it has been confirmed that Harbaugh was going to accept the job, but Perkins wouldn't let him coach Stanford in the bowl game, to which Harbaugh said no!

Tell me that doesn't make you sick.

Carter Patterson 8 years, 4 months ago

the story I heard was that Harbaugh would not agree to stay 5 years before leaving for the NFL. I don't doubt you, but would love to see a link to that. My info is from message boards so it only deserves a small amount of weight, if any.

lama 8 years, 4 months ago

I highly doubt any of the Harbaugh stories. Does anyone really think he would have left Andrew Luck and that loaded team to come to Kansas? He played Perkins for a big raise from Stanford. And he was gone the following year to his preferred destination -- the NFL.

MDHawk 8 years, 4 months ago

It was confirmed by an ESPN reporter while visiting with some folks on 610 sports radio a few weeks ago. The ESPN guy was doing a piece on Harbaugh and his success with the 49er's, and asked about the KU rumors. Harbaugh's people indicated that coming to KU was all but a done deal, but fell through due to Perkins' stipulations regarding the bowl game. Reasons for coming included his wife being from K.C., and that apparently he loves the opportunity to turn struggling teams around.

We will never know the true details and the information didn't come from Harbaugh himself, but the story had a sickening ring of truth to it when told by the ESPN reporter. They had no doubt that he probably would have left for the NFL within a few years anyway, but he could done some positive work before leaving.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Well, even if that is true, it doesn't matter. It's in the past, and the guy who would have screwed it up was shown the door anyway.

There's really very little reason to keep this flame alive on our site, or anywhere in Jayhawk Nation.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

All the Harbaugh stories are such BS. Another I heard on this very site about a month ago said he had a bunch of money to pay off on some golf course investment or something that the Stanford boosters paid for him. Thus, as the stupid rumor went on to suggest, he could not go to another college school, only leave for the NFL.... which makes very little sense.

How about we just let Harbaugh be a successful NFL coach and forget about it, since none of us actually know what happened in that situation?

droppinplates 8 years, 4 months ago

Chris isn't coming? Is that what he told you when you two last spoke?

Warren 8 years, 4 months ago

If Fedora is so hot on everyone's list, maybe it would be better if Kansas doesn't land him. What happens in two years after he turns things around and he bolts for a better gig and more money?

Kyle Sybesma 8 years, 4 months ago

"Turns things around" I'm all for that. Then we have a more appealing job. That's the risk any time you hire some one when your program isn't a destination job.

What's your alternative? Hire a coach who can get us to .500 year after year and no one will take him away.

KUALUMinKCK 8 years, 4 months ago

That is what we said about Turner Gill bolting to Nebraska after we became BCS contenders once again. So one step at a time.

If Fedora does turn things around great for our program. Do you not realize where we are now? That would be great if he turned things around, maybe then with increased revenue and not being bottom feeders we can pay more in the future if the situation arises.

kuilander 8 years, 4 months ago

this line of thinking among our fans just continues to baffle the living hell out of me. if he comes in here and wins big enough to be considered for the next rung of schools, then i'll take it. it will just help us continue to hire better coaches going forward. coaches are ALWAYS thinking about the next gig because they all get fired or leave at some point.

do you want to just keep hiring rejects then??

Pbbut 8 years, 4 months ago

I'd love for our coach to be the guy everyone wanted.

Even when he was 12-1 with an Orange Bowl win, how much consideration did Mangino get from other programs?

Jayhawk444 8 years, 4 months ago

The thing about KU football is... having a coach leave because he turned the program around and got hired away to somewhere "better" is actually a pretty good goal for us right now. At least we get the turned around part. I wouldn't complain. This time.

droppinplates 8 years, 4 months ago

wow. What a chickens**t way to look at things. People, listen up! KU football needs to get turned around. This kind of attitude won't get it done. Pathetic.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Then we would all be ecstatic to have a competitive, winning program that could hire virtually any coach we wanted.

Better question, why should you leave your house today when a bird could land on a tree causing an acorn to fall and land on windshield of a passing car forcing it off the road into a fire hydrant that explodes water into your neighbor's window shattering the glass that ricochets off the inside wall and back out piercing your throat causing you to bleed to death?

If you ask me, you are better off staying inside. Forever.

Dirk Medema 8 years, 4 months ago

A strong Big 12 team IS the next big thing, and there is no reason to leave. How many Big 12 FB coaches are leaving lately b/c they have done too good a job?

texashawk10 8 years, 4 months ago

I can kind of understand where you're coming from on this, and I don't think it would be wise for KU to hire someone who would obviously be using KU as a springboard because then you have to worry about how clean the program would be when he left which is why someone like Tressel, yes I know less than 0% chance of happening, would be a bad hire for KU because he would just be here until the next major job opened up, possibly UT, and then leave and he wouldn't have a problem using shady recruiting methods at a place like KU because he wouldn't be around to face the consequences of it. Someone like Fedora isn't going to come to KU with every intention on bailing in a couple of years when the next big job opens, but if it did happen, KU would be a much more attractive job and KU could legitimately land a big time coordinator at a big time program and get them to stay for awhile until their dream job came available.

Micky Baker 8 years, 4 months ago

What is the highest paying job today?

BCS conference is a destination, and I'll tell you something. Kansas State wasn't a destination job for Snyder, until he stayed there.

What makes you think Kansas can't do the same?

And, by the way, how many of these candidates aren't on multiple lists?

Fedora to Kansas, and if he turns it around and gets Kansas back to a BCS Bowl, he'll get a 3 million buck a year contract, provided the following happens.

The plans to add on to the stadium continue, and KU seriously considers closing in the South End and bringing the fans closer to the field, especially at the end zones.

I'm sure they can build a track some where else for not much, say, along Iowa West of the Dorms and South of the performance arts center and the Dole Institute. Or, maybe they could just build a new stadium that can handle 70,000 plus fans, because when KU wins, they'll be able to sell the tickets.

Sure, that won't happen in the next 5 or 6 years, but remember Kansas State, and how they built the stadium off the side of Bramlage? I don't think it holds more than Memorial Stadium does.

Kansas can do better than they've done.

texashawk10 8 years, 4 months ago

The athletic department has been trying to raise the funds to build an olympic village that will include a new track facility, softball facility, and soccer facility. Until that is done, there's no chance at removing the track. I guess since you can't see anything from the hill anymore, you might as well put some bleachers up in the south endzone, but I hate that you can't watch a game from the hill anymore.

hawk316 8 years, 4 months ago

blackhawk, I met Jones years ago when he was the QB at Hawaii. As you probably know, he later enjoyed great success there as the head coach. He's a good character guy which I think should be right at the top of the list for anyone we hire. But, I would be surprised if he comes to Kansas. Nevertheless, we certainly could do a lot worse...A LOT worse!

KUMC81Hawk 8 years, 4 months ago

If Fedora is supposed to interview with UNC, does that mean KU won't get a shot until after UNC? Zenger needs to be the first to interview Fedora, and make him a offer he can't refuse!

LAJayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Even if he interviewed with KU first and we offered him like 7 million a year, he would still take the UNC interview and see if they matched it or made an acceptable offer. Whoever interviews first really doesn't matter. You offer the most you can, and try to make the best case, then see what shakes out.

bradynsdad 8 years, 4 months ago

Sooooo nothing new. I like zengers approach on keeping things quiet but I would think a decision has to be coming soon. Sure you want the right hire but you don't want to sift through the leftovers either. I know one game doesn't make a difference but southern miss was well coached yesterday and they played very inspired. Of all the candidates he seems to have the most qualifications.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Many of the reports out there suggested that Fedora wasn't going to do anything on the coaching change front (i.e. interview, talk to anyone, etc.) until after the conference championship game. So, if he really is our favorite, then we had no choice but to wait until at least today. Certainly Zenger has been looking at every option in the mean time, but you don't pull the trigger until you at least have the chance to talk to the guy you purportedly want the most.

kesmithstl1 8 years, 4 months ago

I am very glad Zenger is a football guy. I trust he will make the right decision.

BTW, that decision should be "HIRE FEDORA BEFORE THE MENORAH!!!!!!"

hawk316 8 years, 4 months ago

Matt, you left Venables off your recent list. As he fallen out of favor somehow? It sounds like he has a lot to offer.

And thanks for all your great work!

Nick Cole 8 years, 4 months ago

I would hate, HATE (in all caps in case changes it for some stupid reason), it if Venables came to KU. With all the talent he gets there I have not been impressed with his defense. Look at what OSU did to them last night. Would you people please stop throwing this guys name into the mix. PLEASE (again, in all caps just in case).

Nick Cole 8 years, 4 months ago

Nice, it didn't change it. Maybe the key is putting in parentheses that you typed the word in all caps...

LAJayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

It seems so arbitrary what it allows to stay capitalized. I've found that if you limit it to just a single word you run a better chance, but that apparently seems to be because the system doesn't have an e-hangover that day....

milehighhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

To his credit, though, he does have a cool-sounding name, and he is from Oklahoma.

FLJHK 8 years, 4 months ago

On another subject...

USF basketball does not get a lot of coverage in the local Tampa Bay area press. Thus, I was surprised to see a fairly lengthy and well-written story about the Bulls' loss to Kansas yesterday in this morning's St. Petersburg Times. Then I noticed the author: "Times correspondent Matt Tait."

That Tait guy's talent is so over-the-top you just can't keep it contained!

Nick Cole 8 years, 4 months ago

I also live in the Tampa Bay area. What do all of you people do for these games? I've found that the Jayhawk fans down here are so hit and miss. Only one other person showed up to watch the KU vs. MU football game last weekend, and he left early to go to the lightning game (was that you, haha?). Can we get some real watch parties going on here please? And there is a group going to Ferg's in St. Petersburg for Tuesday's game. You should come and bring any and all KU fans you know.

FLJHK 8 years, 4 months ago

Bleed: I'm afraid I am the boring type that greatly prefers to watch at home where I can see and hear everything and control the remote. Beer's cheaper too. I know they hold watch parties sometimes at the Beef O'Bradys in S. Tampa but I've not gone.

Nick Cole 8 years, 4 months ago

C'mon man! I know there is a large alumni base down here but nobody seems to show up for our watch parties. We had a big group for the KU vs. UK bball game the other week, but all but a few of us left the game early (I know it was a late game and we were losing, but at least wait until there is only a minute left with no chance of a comeback people). I just wish there was a good group of people down here to watch games with on a consistant basis. I don't think they do watch parties at Beef O'Bradys in S. Tampa anymore. We were having them at Hattricks in downtown but that place sucks (they wouldn't give us any good specials or put the sound on for the game). I think the new place is likely going to be at Stacked Burgers. They are giving us good specials plus guaranteed sound for our games. There is a watch party at Stacked for the Ohio State game (I'll be in KC for that one, trying to score some tickets to the game if anybody know anybody w/extras). You should go. That should be a good sized group.

Good thing I'm likely moving back to KC pretty soon. I'll never have this problem there.

And yes, the beer is cheaper at home. I hear you on that one.

Jack Wilson 8 years, 4 months ago

Matt: Curious about Bill Blankenship at Tulsa. From what I've heard - great coach, great recruiter, and everyone loves the guy. Not a big name, but maybe the right type of guy to look at. Three of four losses this season to OU, OSU, and Boise .. also lost to Houston. Clearly they have less talent than we do.

Seems like we'll be stepping stone job for any of the guys mentioned. I guess we could be for anyone. But finding a guy that might really be committed otherwise, might be the best option.

I don't think SZ will settle for that type of non-splash, though.

blackhawkjayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Interesting name. Good record at Tulsa this year, as you mentioned. Might be a tough sell to fans but certainly is a legitimate candidate. Nice to see someone on here thinking out of the box.

texashawk10 8 years, 4 months ago

This was Blankenship's first season as a head coach at Tulsa and first year even being in charge of the offense. I'd want to wait another couple of years to see if can continue the success that Kragthorpe and Graham established at Tulsa before considering him a serious candidate at a BCS program. It's the same hesitation that I would have about someone like Chad Morris as well. Those are two people who will get some interviews now to learn the process at major schools, but I don't think either is ready to take over the reigns of a major college program. In another 2-3 years when they've each been around for a few years, they could very well be two of the elite prospects to take over a major program but I don't think Blankenship or Morris are quite ready for that step in their careers just yet.

Warren 8 years, 4 months ago

I would like for nothing else than for KU to become a football powerhouse that is in constant running for BCS bowls year in and year out.

All I was saying is that if Fedora is so hot right now, Imagine how hot he would be in 2 years after turning our laughing stock of a football team into winners.

And imagine how everyone on this site would bitch, moan, complain, and turn into aperse if KU wins only 5 games in the next two years if Fedora takes the job.

I thought Gill should have been given at least another half season. Yes, I do admit that.

Kyle Sybesma 8 years, 4 months ago

That is not what you were saying. Your were concerned that Fedora was too good to stay at KU when succeeds. You thought he would do well enough to be enticed to leave to a better job and we'd be back where we started.

The improvements Gill could have shown next year would still not measure up to the standards KU should set for it's football team. SZ could not take the chance of seeing what was going to happen with Gill. Had to cut him loose and move on.

KU has to become relevant in football to survive the next conference realignment. Because it is coming. Four 16 team power conferences to create a playoff with the four conference champions. Which conferences will get eliminated. My guess is the Big East and the Big 12.

Nick Cole 8 years, 4 months ago

Us fans are going to bitch, moan, and complain if we only win 5 games over the next two years no matter who our coach is. Personally, as a fan, I refuse to accept being a bottom dweller. If you have a problem with us fans complaining when the team sucks, keep it to yourself please.

And Gill never should have been hired in the first place. You saying "at least another half season" is basically you admitting that he would have done bad enough in the first half of next year to warrant a firing, so why wait and fire a coach in the middle of next season when there is a crop of quality coaches out there right now? Are you dumb or just plain stupid?

Read the rist line of your post then read the last line. Are you freaking serious?

Nick Cole 8 years, 4 months ago

rist = first

dang autocorrect on my comp

LAJayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

I understood you perfectly. You were saying that we should hesitate on taking a guy because he might make our program very successful, very quickly which will cause other teams to take an interest.

Nope, that's not a self-defeating argument at all....

David Atchley 8 years, 4 months ago

I loved the article that I believe one of the boarders here "b-ville" posted earlier on the "recruiting style" of Zenger. Are you kidding!!! The "Purdue" coaching tree is something that would remotely put the Jayhawk nation at ease, much less label him knowing anything about the job he currently has in front of him. If anything, he demonstrated the only assistant who hadn't been hired away from Kansas basketball, who is quoted as saying something to the effect "he was being particular what job he'd consider" took the the basketball powerhouse job known as Illinois State?

Whereas I appreciate the smoke grenade thrown into the room to deflect the fact the fate of Kansas football is in the hands of an athletic director from the football powerhouse conference "Missouri Valley" and a school Illinois State that was irrelevant in football in that conference! Oh and the Kansas State coaching tree that is still left at OU, got absolutely embarrassed on national TV last night and the brain trust of Brent Venables didn't have an answer.

Keep in mind....Larry Fedora after yesteday's win over Houston, just jumped to the top of every school's coaching list...even Governor and hapless Presidential Candidate who is the brain trust behind the Texas A&M leaving for the SEC, was quoted yesterday saying...

"We have "3" very strong candidates for our new head coaching search..1. Larry Fedora 2. Kevin Sumlin and 3....uh uh uh.....I forgot...ooops!"

Meanwhile, and on a more "realistic" level, did you happen to see the effort turned in by Clemson yesterday? Did you happen to see the "offensive" execution by OC coordinator "Chad Morris?" IN the one season Morris has been the OC at Clemson, they have only won the ACC Championship! In addition to that, Morris is very deep-rooted in Texas High School Football and he personally won several State Championships as a Texas High School Coach.

The fact he's only been at Clemson doesn't have him so heavily coveted as a Larry Fedora. After Southern Miss upset Houston yesterday, it appears Fedora will be given a chance to either take the Texas A&M or another SEC school of his choice. I can't imagine him lowering his sights for a Kansas job that has been run into the proverbial ditch.

Coach Morris is the choice now. A year from now, he'll be on everyone's radar and in another year, Morris could have his pipeline up and running for Texas high school talent to Kansas. Oh and by the way....possibly restore Kansas to some relevance in the Big 12 Conference.

bradynsdad 8 years, 4 months ago

I agree with you on Morris. Cross your fingers but don't hold your breath. I have a feeling even though zenger keeps his books closed he may have given these reporters a little help so we might have a better understanding of who the next coach is. Morris would be an unbelievable hire. Maybe zenger has taken a look at this board and wrote his name down, you never know.

texashawk10 8 years, 4 months ago

Morris is not ready for a major conference head coaching position yet. He's only been a college coach for the past 3 years, give him a couple of more years and he will be one the hottest names around, but right now I don't see him as a serious candidate at any of the BCS openings. He could be a good mid-major coach now, but I just don't see him as being ready for a BCS head coaching position just yet.

tailgater 8 years, 4 months ago

Funny that contact with any of the "bigger" name coaches is so hush hush. However, it gets leaked that SZ was in Wyoming interviewing Christensen. I'm guessing we have the same ace up the sleeve in this one as we did in conference realignment.

LJD230 8 years, 4 months ago

Given the less than stellar history of KU football and it's current condition, no active coach with the possibility of someone from a lesser Mountain West school will be iinterested in coming to Lawrence. My money is on a decent OC or DC looking to move on up will be interested.

And if Texas is so important to the recruiting future of KU football, why not go after a great Texas high school coach? It would be a move from which a good TV series might evolve!

David Atchley 8 years, 4 months ago

"Clear Eyes...Full Hearts....Can't Lose!" Texas recruiting in this part of the territory (Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas) and in this Conference is everything! There are over 400 Division 1 High School Football Players each year playing in over 1500 high schools throughout Texas.

Chad Morris reached the pinnacle of Texas High School Football, winning several State Championships as a high school coach. He coached at Todd Reesing's high school alma mater.

Coach Morris is a player's coach...he is "Texas High School Football" and would be the quickanswer to the many problems for Kansas football.

Ryan Gerstner 8 years, 4 months ago

Wow, KU fans are one of a kind. Hire a h.s. coach. Seriously, go back into whatever hole you came out of. You think you can jump straight from h.s. to a BCS job in as tough of a conference as the Big XII? Get real. KU isn't paying $2-3 million to have a guy come in and learn on the job. Doesn't mean that h.s. coach won't ever be good, but KU isn't a training ground any longer.

David Atchley 8 years, 4 months ago

Chad Morris is the current OC at Clemson, who just won the ACC Conference Championship yesterday....I was merely pointing out to the boarder who asked about texas recruiting, who Morris is on that level. I do NOT think bringing a high school football coach. Kansas has so many problems with their football program, you need someone who can turn it around quickly.... Ask Notre Dame how that idea worked out with Gerry Faust?

droppinplates 8 years, 4 months ago

Lol....OMG. Hire a high school football coach?!?! Again, name the active coaches that you have spoken to that have told you they are not interested. You have no clue. A shining representation of the state of Kansas football.

David Atchley 8 years, 4 months ago

Once again, a shining representation of someone who hasn't read the thread of posters this morning....nobody has implied much less articulated hiring a high school football coach for the hot mess that is Kansas football. Chad Morris is a celebrated former high school football coach in Texas, who for the past 3 seasons has turned two programs around at Tulsa and now Clemson as the Offensive Coordinator.

Marcia Parsons 8 years, 4 months ago

Quote: "nobody has implied much less articulated hiring a high school football coach for the hot mess that is Kansas football."

Actually, someone did--LJD230 from above to which the next five posts (including three of yours) were a response. I don't think anyone was arguing with you. They were all responding to LJD.

Warren 8 years, 4 months ago

I want Larry Fedora as our next coach. We are going to go through all this coaching search in two more years if he comes here no matter what his record is. That is what I was trying to say.

droppinplates 8 years, 4 months ago

Really? Are you a fortune teller or did you speak to him? Since you can predict the future, enlighten us and just tell everyone who our next coach is.

Mark Lindrud 8 years, 4 months ago


Thanks for the updates. We may not know a lot yet but your work is commendable. My only concern is we haven't interviewed anyone yet.

bad_dog 8 years, 4 months ago

And you know "we" haven't interviewed anyone yet, because?

Mark Lindrud 8 years, 4 months ago

No one has mentioned that we have so am curious if we have and if we have anything lined up.. This last week has been filled with speculation so am ready for more. I know Matt is doing his best just am antsy like the rest.

1jhawk2 8 years, 4 months ago

According to an online article out of San Antonio, Louisville's Charlie Strong is the leading candidate for TAMU. Fedora a possibilty along with Sumlin.

justinryman 8 years, 4 months ago

"May I take your order?"

So all these coaches got done with games yesterday for the most part, got home late last night and are now having a lunch with their wives trying to figure out their futures.

Offers, big and small, from schools big and bigger. Opportunities to turn programs around, resurrect or keep building upon previous success. Options. Possibilities. Dreams. Egos.

The only thing right now they are worried about is what they are having for lunch as they ask their wives what they want to do. Where they want to go. How it will affect their families and who on their staff they should bring along.

So by dinner tonight after watching film with the coaching staff and running a few feelers out to them in the film room a coach or two might have an idea of what tomorrow will bring to all these coaching vacancies.

"Sir, I will be your cashier when you're ready."

Ted Adams 8 years, 4 months ago

Matt, I think you mentioned one of the dark horse candidates without realizing it. Mike Bellotti had been to bowl games in 7 of 8 years as head coach at Oregon. If it's rumored that UCLA has him on a short list, then he obviously wants to get back into coaching. Hardly anyone around here has heard of him, but check out his track record.

BTW, ^^^ is a pretty good resource for researching various candidates even without paying for the premium service.

kudzutexas 8 years, 4 months ago

My vote would be for Dave Doeren. He lost to Wisconsin, which finished as the Big 10 Champs. Then he lost a heartbreaker in and final seconds of an away game to Kansas, and another away game to Central Michigan. He finished 10 – 3 after winning the conference championship, and did it without his recruits. This was the first conference championship since 1983. Doeren was an assistance coach at Southern Cal, Montana, and Defensive Coordinator at Wisconsin. Most importantly he is from Shawnee, Kansas and coached at KU from 2002 – 2005 under Mangino. He won’t look uncomfortable when he says, “Rock Chalk Jayhawk.” If he kept Beaty and Michell he’ll have two great recruiters and coaches. In addition, Tim Grunhard, All Pro Kansas City Chief, offensive lineman for the National Champ Notre Dame and current successful Head Coach at Bishop Miege reportedly said he would coach the offensive line if Doeren got the job. All he would need is some good defensive coaches. Although his KU defenses were ranked in the top 10 nationally.

Matt Tait 8 years, 4 months ago

Good catch. Thanks!!! It's fixed. Must've had Doeren on the brain... Don't read into that!

VaJay 8 years, 4 months ago

For those who want a little insight into how Zenger goes about selecting a coach, this is a great article in the Topeka paper today!

LAJayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

I would like to take a quick segue into the BCS argument for a moment, if you all will oblige me...

Can someone please explain to me how it would make sense to allow a team that didn't even win the DIVISION of its conference a chance to play for the national championship, while a team that is a conference champ would be left out? Also, please explain to me how LSU's prize for winning their division and going undefeated is to have to essentially take a play-in game of the conference championship to get to the BCS title, but Bama, by losing, would get a bye to the title game? And LSU would be further rewarded for beating Bama, winning the division, winning the conference by being forced to give Bama a do-over?

But "the best two teams should play," right? Even though those two ALREADY played? So if Bama and LSU play in the title game and Bama wins, do they SHARE the title with LSU since they would have split games? No? So you are saying that the regular season is basically meaningless in this situation even though an argument against playoffs is because the college football regular season games are so important that they essentially have a playoff every week? Nope, that argument doesn't work anymore then.

If you are going to have the structure of conferences, then you cannot just chuck it out the window for the BCS. Otherwise, conferences and the regular season have absolutely no point. So what if LSU blows out OSU (just like the Patriots did to the Giants in Super Bowl 42, right?), they already proved themselves in the SEC, let them prove it against another conference.

If Bama plays for the title, then the BCS has fully proven itself to be a complete joke.

Then again, if Bama DOESN'T get in, then maybe the SEC members will push for a playoff... after all, they keep saying how they would hammer everyone else on the field. With a playoff they would get the chance to prove it....

FLJHK 8 years, 4 months ago

That's just plain heresy. Logic and common sense have nothing to do with college football or the BCS.

Dan Harris 8 years, 4 months ago

Agree with everything in your post , the bcs system only works if 2 and only 2 teams go undefeated. Without 2 undefeated teams it becomes a popularity contest NOT a true champion will be crowned if Bama and LSU get to play.

blackhawkjayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

The Wetzel plan for the 16-game playoff is the plan all fans should get behind. He's literally written a book on it. Declare a real champ, add the excitement of March Madness to football, make boat loads of money. Plus, by bringing 16 teams into the contest, there is no legitimate argument of: a better team was left out.

texashawk10 8 years, 4 months ago

Go to 24 teams like every other level of college football. Give the BCS conference champs the top 6 seeds as the reward for winning their conference, put the other 5 conference champs into the field and put in 13 at large teams. The idea of missing too much class time is total crap because if the presidents really cared about that, they wouldn't make FCS, D2, and D3 play a 24 team tournament.

Mat Davis 8 years, 4 months ago

Here's a new name I'd like to see: Mark Helfirch, Oregon offensive coordinator. We have the RBs to run Chip Kelly's offense, which is a spread with the focus on the running game. Michael Cummings has the speed at QB to run it ala Darron Thomas.

bradynsdad 8 years, 4 months ago

Who is the name we can cross off the list? That's the top line but it never says.

Matt Tait 8 years, 4 months ago

Skip Holtz. Wasn't real high on the list, but his name had been kicked around...

"One thing I have been able to track down is another name of someone it’s not going to be. After talking with some South Florida folks at the KU basketball game yesterday, you can forget about Skip Holtz leaving USF. He was probably a long shot for a couple of reasons anyway, but these people made a pretty convincing case for why Skip’s not going anywhere.... maybe ever."

David Atchley 8 years, 4 months ago

Meanwhile back at the chicken ranch known as Kansas football.....its imperative the process begin of making chicken salad out of this chicken dung. the antiquated decisions that are being made for an antiquated program, and Kansas just parted with an antiquated coaching style of its previous head coach. Its no wonder when you cross the border into the State of Kansas you're met with a billoboard saying "Welcome to Kansas, please set your watch back 50 years."

In order to restore the Kansas football program to be able to compete with Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas State, much less OSU, OU, TCU, you have to get a coach that has ties to this part of the country. Specifically and currently either has active relationships and recruiting taking place in Texas, or has on his resume' successful coaching in the State of Texas.

Bringing someone from some far outpost of college coaching, where their recruiting ties are in the south or southeast, or the norht, and attempting to recruit in Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas, is absurd. Kansas football doesn't have that luxury of time.

bradynsdad 8 years, 4 months ago

Did you see in that article that chad Morris is a huge fan of Gus? Imagine if Gus got the job and asked chad to come be his O.C. I know that's crazy talk but wow.

David Atchley 8 years, 4 months ago

I did see that but the question is why the hell would Chad Morris leave Clemson where he just orchestrated a tremendous season as Offensive Coordinator and lead Clemson to winning the ACC Championship to take the OC position at Kansas?

See my thoughts at the bottom of the scenario of hiring Bill Young back, this time as Head Coach. Gundy is a man and is only 42, and isn't retiring anytime soon. This gives Bill Young and his defensive mind a chance to work for Kansas.

Then, bring Morris here as the legitimate Coach in waiting and in 3 years, Young retires and Morris is your Head Coach. Other than hiring Morris outright, that's the only scenario that would make sense.

TwistedFish31 8 years, 4 months ago

Your troll cred is taking a hit lately Sally. This is the best you got? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Sparko 8 years, 4 months ago

Well this is dragging on, isn't it? Every day this delays will probably mean a lesser coach. I do not like the Auburn coordinator. That is one program to stay away from. The NCAA kept their hands off that program out of fear and loathing. Kansas does not have that luxury. Auburn was very disappointing this year as well.

Bville Hawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Agree about the Auburn OC. Two words: soft spoken

kupride4u 8 years, 4 months ago

Reports in Austin that Mack Brown is out at Texas. Wonder who they'd go after? Anyone on our list?

mikehawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Matt, OK, I'll take the challenge. I'm calling you crazy. Chris Petersen is not coming to Kansas unless he is driving through to steal a recruit. While we are at it, Larry Fedora is not coming to coach KU, either. However, living down here in Oklahoma and the way these fans are down here, if Big Game Bob loses their bowl game after last night's debacle, we might be able to hire the whole Stoops family. Seriously, I am just amazed at the lack of reality check of the KU faithful when it comes to this hire. In the football coaching profession, KU is not considered a good job. Any decent advisor to one of these guys would say something like..."take the Kansas job at your own professional risk." And the firing of Turner Gill after only two years only makes the job seem worse, at least on the short term. You would think reading these blogs the only reason Larry Fedora isn't hired is because AD SZ won't call him up and offer the job. Are you out of your minds? What we have here is a recipe for disaster...a highly frustrated donor/fan base with grossly unrealistic expectations about who might take this job, combined with the likelihood there will be major dissappointment over who is ultimately hired, turning the donor/fan base off before even getting started, helping to drive away potential recruits, leading to more losses, and further erosion of the program. Wow, people! Get off of the fan crack and get sobered up for three long years of hoping whomever is hired can bring back some degree of respect for this as low as it goes program. Literally, our football program is where K-State's was before they got lucky and hired a "nobody" whose last name was Snyder. We can hope and pray to only be so lucky.

bradynsdad 8 years, 4 months ago

Always remember this, no matter what kind of situation your in or the situation the place is in that you might be going to, one thing can almost always be the deciding factor. $. When you are in any profession and another company walks in and tells you that they will quadruple your salary to work for them, 99% of the time you take it. Especially if theyre paying you enough to retire after two or three years. On another point I coach and have never met a coach who said "I can't go there and win". Every coach wants a challenge, we want the world against us. Kansas is not a Ohio state or Alabama but we are still a BCS school with top notch facilities who needs a coach. A coach we can still pay handsomely. Lots of people make the argument that two years wasnt enough time to let Gil turn this program around. While that is true, two years was plenty of time to make us the worst school in the BCS and make us the laughing stock of the country. We are not a football destination but money and a will to win by a real coach is all we need.

mikehawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Your logic is perfect with the no name coach. Sure they will come for the money, and sure things may turn out good. But will the Jayhawk Nation accept the fact they are a no name, and give them the time it takes with the losses that are sure to be a part of the process? The donor/fan base wants a name with buzz and sizzle, they want to win right now, and those coaches can go to a football school for the same or more money and not be #2 to basketball. Any job a coach takes will be a challenge for lots of different reasons. It is a question of how does the KU challenge compare to the other challenges out there? Look at the total equation. I understand we are tired of losing. In basketball, two or three of the right players and you are on the map. In football, it takes lots of talented bodies for all kinds of positions on both sides of the ball. That takes years to develop for a school like Kansas. The "will to win" by a real coach, will need to be matched by a "will to support" whoever we hire, and that will probably not be a name the faithful want to hear.

Lance Cheney 8 years, 4 months ago

Of course we want to "win right now," but we know that probably won't be the case. What we don't want is to get progressively worse over the coaches 2 years here (as happened before). What we don't want is to get beaten by an average of 30-40 points every game (as what happened before). I guess we KU fans are a bunch of primadonnas for wanting to be competitive and not be the laughing stock of the nation.

blackhawkjayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

The Kansas job is every bit as good of a job as any available now with the exception of TAMU. Though we have to be realistic in understanding that someone like Tressel won't come, this program is not nearly as bad as doomsayers think.

KU has gone to and won a good number of bowls in the past 20 years, the program has excellent facilities, a ton of donor support, much better fan support than publicized and some decent talent on board.

We may not ultimately get Fedora, but we are certainly a program that has something to offer a coach of his current stature.

Further, we are nowhere near as far down as K-State was. Most fans remember the Orange Bowl of only a few years ago, our facilities are 10-times what KSU's were and we have a broad base of fans who believe that the program can be a winner within 2 years. Your comparison is ridiculously insulting and inaccurate.

While we may not be able to wrangle a top-name coach, we'll get a good one and we'll be bowl bound within 2 years.

rob4lb 8 years, 4 months ago

In all due respect, you really need to take off your crimson colored glasses. Most people would admit that the Orange Bowl season while great, really happened when all the stars aligned. It's unlikely to happen again. Mangino elevated the program from 11th or 12th in the Big 12 to maybe 7th or 8th. That's just the reality and alot of people can't grasp that reality.

Getting to bowl is really not that big of a deal. 8 or the 10 conference members are in a bowl and it was almost nine.

blackhawkjayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

With all due respect, you need to find some consistency in your arguments. I believe that going to a bowl game in two years would be an achievable first step in building the program. And yes, it would be a pretty big deal given the results of the past 3 seasons.

No one is stating that we'll go to BCS bowls every year but you cannot identify a single reason why our program cannot be as successful as either MU or KSU on a year-in, year-out basis.

What we've achieved in the past is certainly achievable again in the future. It's not that hard to imagine a strong football program at KU unless you have a loser mentality.

rob4lb 8 years, 4 months ago

I never said that we couldn't achieve success and go to a bowl. I don't think 'going to a bowl' is that great of an accomplishment. It shows how low our program is when that seems to be a barometer. My point is that you can be 9th in the Big 12 and still go to a bowl which would have happened had Tech got one more win. Do we consider that success?

1jhawk2 8 years, 4 months ago

A good number of bowls in the last 20 years??? We've been to 8 in the last 36 years, 4 in the last 10. From a die hard fan, I'm glad we made it those bowls, but that is not enough. KSU has been to 13 in the last 20 years. That's not success.

blackhawkjayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Never said that it was good enough. I stated this "fact" because it shows that we can build successful football teams at Kansas. Not really sure what your point even is.

rob4lb 8 years, 4 months ago

I couldn't agree more. And look at the bowls we went to. I think the Tangerine bowl took the 8th place finisher as did the Fort Worth Bowl. To me, any bowl played before Christmas shouldn't even count. We went to the Insight Bowl which might have been 6th in the pecking order. For most programs, going to a bowl is not that great of an accomplishment.

rob4lb 8 years, 4 months ago

I couldn't agree more. And look at the bowls we went to. I think the Tangerine bowl took the 8th place finisher as did the Fort Worth Bowl. To me, any bowl played before Christmas shouldn't even count. We went to the Insight Bowl which might have been 6th in the pecking order. For most programs, going to a bowl is not that great of an accomplishment.

Mark Currie 8 years, 4 months ago

Leave that spazz Venables at OU? Maybe hire someone more laid back like Gill? My only concern is that Venebales might develop a team that could beat KSU, among others. Yessir leave him out. Get a proven coach that some other school wants to get rid of instead of a new guy with fire in him. He is part of what Bill Snyder called the "foundation" that he built KSU on the 1st time. Then he coached under Snyder there. Now he is at OU. OU got beat by OSU last night. Let's see, how did the KU-OSU game turn out? Hire him cheap with a year to year contract with incentives built in, like winning maybe 3 games next year and so on and so forth. Sorry in advance for pissing anyone off. It kind of seems like Snyder was a nobody from a small school at one time. Again Sorry

blackhawkjayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Why? His defense is weak while he has access to top talent. Not sure I understand the love affair with Venables.

jhawkjunkie 8 years, 4 months ago

He's interested in the job and has been around 2 major program improvements with Kansas State and Oklahoma. Ask Texas, Florida State or Kansas State about his weak defense.

jaybate 8 years, 4 months ago

jaybate news service (ins):

Dateline: Chicago

Slug: Oprah in the mix.

jns stringers indicate that BGL has put in a call to Oprah Winfrey and Oprah has expressed interest in giving D! football coaching a try and wants to "own" KU for the Oprah Winfrey Network!

jns stringers report that Hugh Grant, Desmond Tutu and Wynton Marsalis have all expressed interest in the KU the Mike Leach has hung his hat in Pullman.

(Note: this is really true.)

(Note: no it isn't. All fiction. No malice.)

LoganDoan 8 years, 4 months ago

I'm hoping Shay-Z blows our mind (in a good way).

babyjay1 8 years, 4 months ago

Seriously feeling the need to see a headline that we have a coach hired... Getting very antsy here....

jhawkjunkie 8 years, 4 months ago

Could the saying about having 2 quarterbacks be true with candidates? If you have 2 candidates, you have no candidates?

irvan moore 8 years, 4 months ago

i think we might all be in for a surprise tomorrow (?) when he announces the new coach, maybe that's a good thing?

Daniel Kennamore 8 years, 4 months ago

I'm quickly reaching 'uncertainty fatigue'. Fit realignment stuff, now this...

It doesn't help that Zenger seems to be interviewing on decidedly third tier candidates for the coaching position. The coach of Wyoming? Seriously?

We need someone who can restore some buzz and credibility to the program...he already whiffed on Leach, is he dumb enough to double down on ineptitude and not do what it takes to get Fedora?

John Myers 8 years, 4 months ago

Maybe he'll call you in, since you obviously know everything about his search.

DCJayhawk0208 8 years, 4 months ago

Sometimes the accuser ought to consider his own actions before resorting to name calling.

John Myers 8 years, 4 months ago

Oddly enough, that list leaves off one of the most annoying - The Know-It-All-That-Doesn't-Know-Anything.

blackhawkjayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

What's dumb is Leach taking the worst of the 3 PAC jobs available.

rob4lb 8 years, 4 months ago

The Leach story will probably never be told in its entirety. If there was one BCS open coaching job that was less attractive than KU's, I would have thought it was Washington State.

We don't know if there were ever serious discussions to get Leach. Were the law suits obstacles? Did Leach look at the KU job a determine it would be too difficult for him to be successful. He is certainly familiar with the program.

I think conference realignment played into this a bit. The Fox contract with the Pac-12 has given lowly programs like WSU the ability to pay out some fairly high salaries.

A lot of people seem to be blaming Zenger, but we don't know what happened and if Leach never wanted to come here in the first place, how can Zenger be blamed?

LAJayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

(That was supposed to be in all caps)

Kent Wells 8 years, 4 months ago

Looks like Matt is just too lazy. He's gone with the percentage(less) sentence!!!

BayPark 8 years, 4 months ago

This reminds me of all the talk about KU being invited to the Pac-12 or Big-10. Sure, it would be wonderful to be wanted and courted and such. But given the state and history of our football program, it just isn't realistic.

I'd hate to see KU embarrassed, rug pulled out, egg all over the face, as Fedora holds his first presser for Illinois, NC, or even his own Southern Miss. Unless Matt you have real source info you're not revealing, the excited speculation over these big names and hot coaches in the end just makes us look bad, desperate.

Often the best hire isn't the most popular.

1jhawk2 8 years, 4 months ago

One coach that I would be happy with, Gary Barnett who has not been mentioned for KU, is being mentioned as a potential candidate for Colorado State. Based on what coaches are available, I would be happy with Fedora or Barnett.

Regardless, I understand the process takes a while when you allow it. Hopefully we'll get answers tonight so I can concentrate at work this week.

rob4lb 8 years, 4 months ago

I made some comments earlier in the week about Barnett and agree with you. I think he is a solid coach. He is 65 years old but perhaps could get us back to respectability in the next 4-5 years before retiring.

kureignman 8 years, 4 months ago

Mizzou alum who left CU because of scandal. He should be our plan K.

Kyle Sybesma 8 years, 4 months ago

Gary Barnett!? I hate to criticize anyon's recomendation for head football coach but Barnett's players were bringing prostitutes on campus for recruiting visits. He was also bad mouthing a female kicker on the team who was claiming rape. After the Penn State and Syracuse scandals Gary Barnett is the last think KU needs.

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 4 months ago

Have you not been watching Penn St and Syracuse basically get ripped when scandal breaks. Go read the history of the antics that went on with this guy at CU alone...Barnett had scandals that in the spotlight of today's media would crush us.

David Atchley 8 years, 4 months ago

Another scenario for consideration is to bring Bill Young back to Kansas as the Head Coach and hire Chad Morris as his OC and "legitimate" "coach in waiting" and let Bill Young get the office of Head Coach back in order, and put Chad Morris to work at building the recruiting pipeline to Kansas from Texas.

What you have to factor in with these Head Coaches and the Coordinators that are good choices is look at the recruiting they currently have in-place. The success Morris is having at Clemson as the OC, doesn't have him leaving there unless its an offer that can't be duplicated. If Kansas isn't brave enough to hire him now as the HC, bringing him in as a "coach in-waiting" would be the next best thing. Recruiting is the key to a good coach becoming a great coach, and those coaches in recruiting hotbeds understand how important that is to success.

I would also see if Todd Dodge would come coach the Quarterbacks and Special Teams at Kansas, (currently qb coach at Pitt) and between Morris and Dodge, you'd absolutely have a chokehold on Texas high school recruiting. Both Morris and Dodge have multiple Texas State High School Championships under their belts. I would continue with the 3 year plan of Young being your head coach and in 3 years, it becomes Morris' team and Dodge is moved to the OC position.

1jhawk2 8 years, 4 months ago

I read that UNC list Fedora high on their list and UNC AD was very impressed with Air Force coach Troy Calhoun.

MustleHustle, I mean Chad Morris, your desire and passion for KU is admirable. Hopefully SZ reads these post while hanging out in hotels in Laramie, WY, Southern Miss and Northern Illinois. Between you and Todd Dodge your state titles in TX high school football, success at Clemson and obvious connections in TX you and Todd Dodge could make a great team here at KU. Who would coach defense for you. I'm pretty sure you guys run the spread, so we can count on about 35 pts a game right? Who woud run your defense?

Good postings and I'll take whoever will win here.

David Atchley 8 years, 4 months ago

Thanks I think...if you look in my very first paragraph, I am bringing "Bill Young" in as Head Coach with Morris Coach In Waiting....and Oh by the way....Bill Young's defense last night against OU.....held OU to a field goal until very late and irrelevant in the game. Gundy "is a man and is 42 now, so he isn't going anywhere at least not in Bill Young's career.

Coach Young could have his swan song at Kansas, and then hand the keys over to Morris....with Todd Dodge taking over for Morris at OC....that's how you build a program of recruiting and of perpetuation..and instantly restore some credibility to the Kansas football program.

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 4 months ago

You can knock the I'm 40, Im a man rant, but that was probably the best recruiting spot ever. I hate OSU so much; however, anybody that will rip a media member to protect a QB that was benched shows that coach will go to the end of the world and back for you. I don't think OSU has even struggled on recruiting since that moment.

David Atchley 8 years, 4 months ago

Actually I am a fan of every step OSU has taken to make it the premier football program its become. They have always had a better football program, and one that I always thought was attainable for Kansas to emulate.

I take it the planting a "coaching tree" I built for Kansas and the "program" complete with a defensive mind, offensive mind, recruiting pipeline and coach in waiting approach was of interest. It instantly brings is how aggressive I perceive they need to make their plan of attack.

texashawk10 8 years, 4 months ago

One big difference between OSU and KU is that KU doesn't have the sugar daddy that OSU has. Rich uncle T. Boone is the single biggest reason for OSU's current rise, meanwhile KU's rich uncle Phil (Anschutz) has not shown the interest in KU football to give it the same advantages that OSU has right now.

Kirk 8 years, 4 months ago

Have to agree. I tend to think the same thing regarding Mangino's "BCS money" rant after the UT debacle, though obviously other things went awry.

A strong coach at KU should be able to accomplish something similar to OSU. Maybe not quite on that level, and certainly not soon. But I believe it's doable, especially now that we have competitive facilities. Just gotta keep focused on following through on our commitment to building a real football program.

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 4 months ago

I think the most disappointing thing about this coaching we can't even get a rumor on any site out there. All we have is Matt (who is doing a terrific job) speculating with his peers on names and rumors from other universities and piecing together news. I realize that a leak could jeopardize the next steps, but we don't even get a note of potential candidates, some who are being considered. Who has been interviewed. Rumors of potential coordinators...nothing.

This typically is free advertisement for universities and we can't even get a "rumor' on espn.

At least the fans on this site are passionate about the search and definitely put their thoughts out there. If nothing else at least we can debate internally. I fear with the silence that when the announcement comes, right now there are going to be 3 categories 1) Pumped 2) Satisfied 3) Glad we don't have Turner "the worst football coach in KU History" Gill

I hope most of us are in the #1 category, but for some reason, the longer it draws out, I think most of us are going to be in the #2 & #3 category.

Kyle Sybesma 8 years, 4 months ago

I can't quite understand why Fedora would turn down the Ole Miss job as reported. You would think that the transition from S Miss to Ole Miss would be a smooth one.

rob4lb 8 years, 4 months ago

It could be the he assessed the situation and decided that he could not be successful there. Even though there are in the SEC, they have one of the smallest budgets and probably some of the worst facilities. He probably coaches at the best program in the state of MIssissippi.

jay381 8 years, 4 months ago

Several reasons: To start in East division AL, LSU, AR. Small budget and stadium. There are just not the resources to be competitive unless there is another Manning to quarterback the team. The cards are just flat stacked against either MS school for any success. The chance of playing for a conference championship almost non existent. Given that division it is even tough to get enough wins to even be consistently bowl qualified depending on the rotation of the East teams.

Living in Memphis I listen occasionally to the sports stations including the one that has the Old Miss broadcast contract. Even in Memphis KU is considered a better job due to the facilities, opportunity to get to a bowl and possibility for success. It was no surprise the he did not see Old Miss as an improvement to what he had created at SO Miss especially with the returning team

I totally agree KU is far better than either of the MS schools. Living in a C-USA town and formerly in OK I have seen Fedora coached games for about 7 years. In my opinion he would be an absolute slam dunk for KS. The guy consistently puts well disciplined teams on the field. Although personally known for his offense at OSU when he became a HC he instituted one hard hitting and disciplined defense. His graduation rate was just a little over 90% on the last published ranking. I may not be an AD but I do know when I see a well coached team play football (and it does not mean one that has consecutive penalties coming out of a halftime as Gill the coached team did one game this year). Incidentally I made this evaluation and post when (thankfully) I heard about Gill.

texashawk10 8 years, 4 months ago

The ceiling at Ole Miss is 8-9 wins. Even in their two recent Cotton Bowl seasons, their regular season record was 8-4. I'm not sure too many coaches with great ambitions like Fedora are scrambling to get to a program where 8 wins is the ceiling.

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 4 months ago

He already has a contract with KU?

Or he knows that Muellen is the top candidate for Penn State, and he would probably he the top of their list at Miss State. Would you want to be at Miss St or Ole Miss?

Bville Hawk 8 years, 4 months ago

"He already has a contract with KU?"

Hope you're right!!!

Justin LoBurgio 8 years, 4 months ago

Pat Hill fired at Fresno State. Not an endorsement, just interesting.

BayPark 8 years, 4 months ago

Saw Fresno State play at SDSU last night. He'd be an excellent hire. His teams play hard and go to bowl games despite Fresno being a difficult place to lure recruits.

DrGraydog 8 years, 4 months ago

I think Phil Fulmer would be a good choice.....

with the right Coordinators for Offense and Defense he would be a good choice to rebuild the program and bring it back to a winning standard

jay381 8 years, 4 months ago

I totally disagree with Fulmer. I was living in Memphis when the Fulmer "forced out" decision was made. I think the chart below shows why he was forced out. The reputation among a lot of alums I know was that he got "fat and lazy" and stopped recruiting. His record would support that the second part of his career. I would be totally disappointed to see him as next KU coach. I have been the recipient of tickets to Knoxville and trust me he lacked nothing absolutely nothing in terms of facilities and backing. My gosh that stadium is newer, larger than OU or NB and is absolutely beautiful sitting up the hill from the river. The hills and overall campus surprisingly similar Lawrence. It is really an impressive setting.

Two halves to Fulmer's career 1992-98 ' 99-2008 W-L 67-11 83-40 Win pct. . 859 .675 SEC W-L 4 3-7 51-27 SEC win pct. 860 .654 SEC champ. game 2-0 0-3 Bowl W-L 5-2 3-5 vs. Top 25 23-9 20-28

Well this was separated until I post and everything is jumbled. Sorry it is a little hard to read.

David Atchley 8 years, 4 months ago

and he was very convincing as a recruiter in the movie "The Blindside" my only concern with Fulmer is what recruiting pipelines does he have that can funnel players to Kansas?

Daniel Kennamore 8 years, 4 months ago

"Still trying to contact some agents regarding the guys in the running for KU. If nothing more comes tonight, tomorrow could be a huge swing day."

I have a feeling we are not going to hear anything out of KU's people until the press conference to introduce the new coach at this point. If they had anyone good lined up something would have been leaked at this I have a feeling its going to be someone from the tier 3 guys.

jaybate 8 years, 4 months ago

Bet they have been given a very short candidates list by who ever gave them the money to buy out Gill. Bet there are no rumors, or leaks, because you don't talk out of school, when you have been given a short list and told to hire them.

What speculation about candidates is done entirely to keep attention diffused and off the short list of candidates.

"Money doesn't talk, it swears." --Bob Dylan

LAJayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

It's alright my, it's life and life only.

blackhawkjayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Remember that only WSU has hired someone......not counting OSU because they were in different situation. Many schools are going through the same process on the same timeline.

michael anway 8 years, 4 months ago

Chad Morris! Chad Morris! Chad Morris! Can't put it any plainer than that!

The_Real_Hawkman 8 years, 4 months ago

Anybody else hear the rumor that Zenger is back in Lawrence?

Saw a tweet dont remember who said it but it said he was spotted in KCI with a big smile on his face...

Bville Hawk 8 years, 4 months ago

Now THAT is news to maybe get a little excited about!

1jhawk2 8 years, 4 months ago

It was announced that Clemson gave Chad Morris a raise that would most likely allow him to take his GA out for a steak. That was on

David Atchley 8 years, 4 months ago

Of course they did...they know someone is going to try and pick him off as their head coach....the job he's done this year at Clemson was incredible.

1jhawk2 8 years, 4 months ago

He could be smiles because his wife and kids were there for him and he was concealing his OH $hit face. Who knows, hopefully Tait will find something out soon and give us an idea so we as fans know what we have to look forward to.

The_Real_Hawkman 8 years, 4 months ago

it could be a cover smile, like oh $hit i am in over my head here, I hope not

1jhawk2 8 years, 4 months ago

I'm guessing after Lew's alleged abuse of the privat jet that Zenger wouldn't be able to use the jet to look for a coach? I would assume he would get to use the jet if he had a short list and had a plan instead of flying commercial and driving all over the country. Is there a large airport near Southern Miss U.?

The_Real_Hawkman 8 years, 4 months ago

I think he is using the private jet so it would be harder to track him on the flightware site. I dunno about the airports close to Hattiesburg

The_Real_Hawkman 8 years, 4 months ago

that should say isn't using the private jet

jay381 8 years, 4 months ago

Closest airport of any size (unless small plane) would be New Orleans. It is a little over 100 miles straight up I-59. Easy drive and all Interstate.

Bville Hawk 8 years, 4 months ago

At that altitude (Mississippi) you could land and take off a Citation on a 4000 ft (or less) runway. Those are everywhere.

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 4 months ago

You may have been being sarcastic and if that is the case sorry I'm typing this.

Matt mentioned that he was using a private donor's plane, so he couldn't be tracked. I also doubt he was spotted at KCI, I'm pretty sure it would have been a different airport.

I think we are 3-5 days away from an annoucement still.

JayDocMD 8 years, 4 months ago

Screw it. Here goes:

"Light the" Fedora 30% [Someone nobody has mentioned 25%] "Sister" Christiansen 15% "Balz to the Walz" Malzahn 10% "Shut the Front" Doeren 10% "Markie" Mark Stoops 5% "Welvome Back" Koetter 5%

goldeneagle31 8 years, 4 months ago

There is a large sh#t storm brewing in Hattiesburg right now over Fedora's decision to go to the Hawaii Bowl. Houston They gave USM the choice of any C-USA bowl. Houston will get to play Penn State and USM will play Nevada. Fans wanted a shot at a quality opponent and a chance to go to the game, now they have neither.

David Atchley 8 years, 4 months ago

I wouldn't want to be associated with Penn State either...Fedora is nobody's fool. Sit in a recruits family room and explain to a mother why you thought with a choice, why you would "choose" to associate your program and all the media hype of Penn State leading up to the bowl.

goldeneagle31 8 years, 4 months ago

Ha ha, but you could go and beat the crap out of them. He's taking some heat right now, but he's standing up for his decision and I respect that and I understand the logic of Hawaii as a reward. Not sure how that benefits the program long term, but if he's not thinking long term that could be a good sign for KU. Although, sounds like he fully plans on going to Hawaii so I wouldn't count on him leaving USM early to get started at KU.

jay381 8 years, 4 months ago

Just me. I know if I was on the team or an assistant coach I would say a great big thanks to Fedora for giving everyone a well deserved vacation in Honolulu rather than a bus ride to Dallas (no offense intended to Dallas, I love big D). By the time next season rolls around everyone will a lot more lasting memories of Honolulu. It also has to help recruiting to make a lot of film of the fun and sun to show potential recruits.

Now if some of the film could be used to show potential recruits at KU his success at a school like So Miss, well that would just be great. In fact I really like that idea.

Bville Hawk 8 years, 4 months ago

What? Has SZ been flying around the country disposing of the body parts?

Dillon Davis 8 years, 4 months ago

I'm not gonna lie, if we miss out on Fedora and Malzahn. I will freak out. Literally don't care about any of the other candidates, maybe Mark Stoops but that's a stretch. It's possible that Zenger could be going after Malzahn now because Fedora looks like he wants to coach USM in their bowl game. A&M is the big obstacle though. If they want him they'll get him.

irvan moore 8 years, 4 months ago

let's not forget about mason, us old people got to stick together

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