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Aggies officially out; A&M will leave the Big 12 in 2012

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What many had assumed was just a formality for weeks became official Wednesday morning when Texas A&M officials officially announced that the school would be leaving the Big 12 to seek membership in another conference.

That conference, as we all know by now, is the SEC, which is expected to announce its intentions to add the Aggies as their 13th team in the next couple of days.

While Wednesday's announcement from A&M puts an end to the Aggies' part in all of this, the hard work for the Big 12 is really just beginning.

For the second time in less than 15 months, the conference has lost a member — Colorado and Nebraska bolted last summer — and the once mighty conference that's name matched its number of members is down to nine.

So what's next for the league? Well, commissioner Dan Beebe as well as several athletic directors at the nine remaining schools have said repeatedly that the conference would look to be aggressive in the coming weeks in an effort to add one, three or maybe even seven schools in moving forward. At the same time, the SEC, not content with the odd number of 13, most certainly will be looking to add a 14th school itself. The fact that both power conferences will be on the prowl at the same time means that there is a very real possibility that we could be in for wide-spread conference upheaval once again.

The smart money says the SEC adds one — Big 12 school Missouri is rumored to be one of four on the SEC's wish list, though MU AD Mike Alden and those above him continue to pledge their support for the Big 12 — and the Big 12 does the same. Of course, if Mizzou factors into the SEC's plans, that could force the Big 12 to add more than just one. The guess here is that Mizzou is sincere, this time around, about its allegiance to the Big 12 and the other eight schools.

As for the Big 12, conference officials and members have said all along that 10 is the ideal number but that the league could and would survive with nine as long as Oklahoma and Texas remained committed to the league, which it appears they are.

Notre Dame's name continues to be the sexiest at the top of the Big 12's wish list and, although there are a ton of reasons why a move to the Big 12 would be good for Notre Dame there also exist a ton of reasons that such a move would not or even could not happen.

Make no mistake about it, though. The Big 12 powers will give the Irish their best sales pitch.

After that BYU, Air Force and, to a lesser degree, SMU and Houston remain the hot names on the list. Again, there are plenty of reasons for and against all of those teams joining the league.

I'm not sure we'll see any concrete resolutions to this any time soon. Again, the league wants to be aggressive but also wants to ensure that it's making the right moves and adding the right teams, if it adds any. Remember, everyone from UT and OU to Kansas and Baylor have said that the league could and would survive with nine teams.

While new members might not be announced any time soon, expect the conference to act swiftly in courting other members. The action will be fast and furious from this point on and now that the Big 12 is free from the debacle that A&M created, the league can move forward with a clear conscience in pursuing new members.

Many think this could be a dangerous time for the Big 12 and that possibility certainly exists. However, based on what I'm hearing and I've been told, I think this time should be looked at as an exciting time for the league.

Stay tuned...

Comments

Ron Prichard 8 years, 10 months ago

I can't agree with you on Missouri State. They just don't bring any additional TV market to the league. From what we have seen, that is really what matters.

Marathon_Man 8 years, 10 months ago

BYU is releasing a statement sometime this afternoon!

Clovis Sangrail 8 years, 10 months ago

Sent the rest of the Texas schools packing and bring back the Big 6 (in slightly modified form) --

Kansas Kansas State Missouri Oklahoma Oklahoma State Iowa State

KU_alum_2001 8 years, 10 months ago

No offense, but this is the worst suggestion I've seen yet.

Clovis Sangrail 8 years, 10 months ago

No offense, but perhaps I should put in indicators for the satire-challenged.

You guys take this way too seriously. The bottom line is that KU will continue to have a good basketball team and a crappy football team no matter what happens to the Big Nine.

If it is really essential to bring the membership back up to 10, they could always bring in Northern Iowa. They have proven they can run with the big dogs, at least in basketball.

KU_alum_2001 8 years, 10 months ago

Ha... well put. I said the same thing below... we have to focus on b-ball. I don't think we can bet on KU football ever turning the corner and becoming a powerhouse program.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

There's the ludicrously out of place, blind criticism that we all know and love. Welcome back, Perse. The world was out of balance when you were being logical and rational.

phi4life940 8 years, 10 months ago

So long A&M.

NOTRE DAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm thinking just add Notre Dame. Don't share all the pie with schools like Air Force and BYU. How unexciting of a match up!? But KU v. Notre Dame....now that's a match up. Go for the home run Big XII...not the single.

Rock Chalk Realignment. Haha

CardHawkFan 8 years, 10 months ago

The issue with Notre Dame is, and always will be is that they do not want to part with the insane amount of revenue generated from the television deal they signed back in the early 90s...the reason they are independent in football and Big East in everything else. There was a great article by the late Dr. Bob Frederick that surfaced around that time to take a stance against ever playing Notre Dame in any sport. http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/16/sports/fallout-from-irish-tv-deal.html God bless Lou Holtz and perhaps the opposite for Digger Phelps, but the Fighting Irish haven't even sniffed a championship in either sport in a long, long time. I am not saying the Big 12, 10, 9, 8... shouldn't pursue them, but for those that aren't aware, that is why ND will not come over. Nice thought on Missouri State KU_Alum_2000. Travel-wise, it would make sense in several sports, but they still participate in FCS. Plus, Missouri is the flagship university, if you could call them that, in the state and I highly doubt they are interested in sharing that revenue or recruiting turf. New Mexico is intriguing as well. Travel would stink, though.

Travis Shinkle 8 years, 10 months ago

Okay, okay, the Notre Dame invite is getting stupid. (Talk about some egos down south!) There is NO WAY Notre Dame will want anything to do with the current Big 12. ND turned down the Big 10, why would they want to play in a league with another prima donna (Texas), a bunch of schools out in the middle of nowhere (Baylor, Texas Tech, and Kansas State)?

Big 12, TODAY, should be aiming high--realistically--and go after Arkansas and/or Florida State. Then invite BYU, Air Force, Central Florida, and/or New Mexico.

If the Big 12 cannot get 3 of those, they might as well hang it up.

Otherwise, after the SEC pirates an ACC school...KU should forget the Big East and actively go after that empty spot in the ACC. KU might be able to compete in the ACC in football but basketball...talk about some awesome conference games...

Steve Gantz 8 years, 10 months ago

I agree, ND has got it made. They play in a great bball league, and have an ideal football set up, designed to get them into serious bowl contention every year, without, you know, the pressure of actually winning a conference.

KU_alum_2001 8 years, 10 months ago

As always, I implore that the Kansas Board of Regents allow the separation of KU and KSU so that KU can move to the Pac12. I'd rather see that than the Big East. And yes, I'm clearly taking the approach of "which conference does KU go to next" because I think it's inevitable that the Big 12 collapses at some point.

We all know with 99% certainty that ND isn't coming, and I'd say there's 80% certainty Arkansas isn't. But I'm also clearly assigning arbitrary percentages here. But let's be clear, ND isn't coming. BYU has its own network so... unlikely. SMU and Houston dilute the conference quality, as would New Mexico and any other school within 1,000 miles that has the name "State" in it.

KU football doesn't have a great history of being good. I'm not betting that changes anytime soon. KU basketball is what it's all about. With that said, we have to think about what's best for KU basketball, and at this point, that likely means being somewhere we're the competition is solid. As the Big 12 folds (and I don't trust Mizzou at all to not be the 14th team in the SEC), KU will be left with second- and third-tier competitors unless they can split from KSU.

Craig Lang 8 years, 10 months ago

I fail to see how the Big 12 can remain a power conference if it recruits schools from the lesser conferences. With the exception of Notre Dame, which would be a huge coup, none of the candidates impress me as Big 12 contenders.

The other power conferences are picking off the current Big 12 schools to strengthen their conferences to create a few super-power conferences. Unless the Big 12 gets aggressive and can steal a team from the Pac-10, SEC or Big Ten (or ACC or Big East, but that creates some geographical problems), it will fall to the ranks of the lesser-respected Mountain West and Missouri Valley conferences.

DevilHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

The Mountain West was well on its way to becoming a full BCS conference.

Also, a conference with Texas and Oklahoma will always be referenced nationally for football unless UT becomes bad for a very long time.

KU_alum_2001 8 years, 10 months ago

Can we stop with all the ND posts? I like the idealism, folks, but really, we might as well discuss the Big 12 going after the New England Patriots if we're going to talk about ND.

patrick_raftery 8 years, 10 months ago

Would the Patriots be "football only" or do you think they would form a basketball team?

Kyle Rohde 8 years, 10 months ago

Anybody who thinks Notre Dame is joining the Big XII is nuts - they've had basically a standing invite from the Big Ten for 20 years, a conference that meshes perfectly with ND geographically, culturally and academically, none of which holds true for the Big XII.

Arkansas would be foolish to give up the SEC's money and stability and I don't think they're that dumb.

The Big XII needs to be realistic, and here's the three best options: BYU, Memphis and Houston. BYU brings solid all-around sports, a nationwide fan base, a whole new state and a good reputation. Memphis brings another new state, a basketball program that's probably about top 10-15 in the country. Houston brings a school with huge potential (35,000+ students) and keeps the conference strong in that market, even without A&M.

Get back to 12 and let's have some stability.

gchawk 8 years, 10 months ago

I find myself feeling both frustrated and upset by this situation. This move by A & M certainly puts the Big XII in the jelted lover mode, how dare they do this to "us". Out of the goodness of the Big XII's heart, (and yes, I know there were a number of reasons, mostly financial) we took in the 4 Texas schools, a move that could ultimately prove to be the demise of the Big XII. But what is the most frustrating, at least to me, is that the 3 schools that left our conference were a direct result of Texas' arrogance and actions.Maybe there ought to be a mega-ego conference and the 2 charter schools could be Texas and Notre Dame, they have a distinct history of alienating people, and they just don't care.

Foster Coburn 8 years, 10 months ago

Those of you who say there is no way Notre Dame is coming need to look at the facts. Yes, the Big 10 has invited them. I'm sure that invite comes with a caveat to give up their NBC TV contract. The Big 12-3 is the one BCS conference that allows schools to have their own TV network. I'm not saying it is a done deal, but I do think it is within the realm of possibility.

In the Big 10, they have three other schools in close proximity. Good for travel, potentially bad for recruiting. Travel may be a bit farther in the Big 12-3, but not much worse than the Big East travel. The Big 12 has a bigger TV contract than the Big East (and potentially even bigger if Notre Dame is involved). Sure, the Big 12-3 academics aren't as good as the Big 10. But when push comes to shove, money talks and I think the Catholics will listen.

Should Notre Dame join, I think a lot of other quality schools could be in play.

Daniel Kennamore 8 years, 10 months ago

Please, for the sake of our program, let the conference die. We need to be on the phone with OU getting them to propose a move to the PAC with us...like yesterday.

KU_alum_2001 8 years, 10 months ago

First we have to call teh Board of Regents and convince them to let us split from KSU. And that's not looking good.

Nick Cole 8 years, 10 months ago

The BOR can't force KU and KSU to stays together. They can make recommendations but we have no legal ties to our little brother to the west. Therefore, KU can do what is best for KU, despite what the BOR says.

jgkojak 8 years, 10 months ago

BYU would be an upgrade over A&M.

Notre Dame would be a home run and would make the B12 the premiere football league.

jahawkdave 8 years, 10 months ago

I don't think we have a shot at Ark, or ND. We should have grabbed TCU when we had the chance, they'd be hard pressed to leave Big East now.

I'd like us to move West and have some mid major step up to the plate. Colorado State to make it 10. BYU and Air Force to take it back to 12.

New Mexico is a decent B ball addition but terrible for football.

blindrabbit 8 years, 10 months ago

ku_alum_2001: Couldn't agree more about a KU move to the Pac-12. Firstly, I think it would be a good move from an academic point-of-view, Secondarily, and for this story, the most important, it would be a potential gold mine for recruiting. Give up on the national attention from the Eastern dominated press corps, they don't care about us anyway. Kansas, over the years has done very well recruiting BB players from the left coast, especially under Brown and Williams. Think back about those players and the lack of discipline and academic problems we have had, nothing compared to those issues from players from the Upper Midwest, South and East.

Back in the full Big-12 days, I had hoped that Colorado and KU would have bolted to the Pac-12.

KU_alum_2001 8 years, 10 months ago

Again, if only the Kansas Board of Regents would allow us to.

Chicago_JHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

If ND is ever going to join a conference, then the Big 12 will be it. We're the only conference that currently allows individual TV deals, so they could keep their NBC deal and share in the conference package as well.

The Big 10 requires even sharing, so they'd have to give it up - probably why they haven't joined.

Mike Ross 8 years, 10 months ago

"Go BIG or go home". That needs to be the motto for the new "exploratory committee". It has already been said but why would any team, except for the SMU's of the sports world, want to join the B12? The only possible solution to save the B12 as we know (knew) it would be the take the lead in the formation of the super-conference. There may be some issues in doing so with the tv contract we just signed but that would be the best way to survive. Attempt to get to 16 teams and HOPE we arent the next SWC.

Teams to pursue: ND - no chance at getting them BYU - minimal chance Ark - minimal chance TCU, Louisville, Memphis, Houston - possibilities

OUTSIDE THE BOX TEAMS: Illinois, WVU, Minn, Indiana

If and when this doesnt work, we either 1). hope that we can piggy back OU to the PAC-12 2). suck it up and try to get on board with MU for the B10 or SEC or 3). say hello to the MVC.

blindrabbit 8 years, 10 months ago

Goose: I'd go with KU piggybacking on to the Pac-12, but not with Oklahoma, I don't think OU would fit in out there. Piggyback possibilities though, Boise State (probably too small) or BYU (no religious based schools in Pac-12 now, would be a tough fit), and New Mexico (probably the best, liberal school and all).

Andy Tweedy 8 years, 10 months ago

I respectfully disagree. Last year, there were rumors of the PAC-10 taking the Texas schools and the Oklahoma schools. But there were also rumors that the PAC-10 didn't want Tech and would rather have Kansas. Taking some combination of those schools, and I'd root for KU and OU to be in the mix, would give a regional element to the conference, especially when you consider CU is already there. Many of the concerns regarding travel cost would be less important if 4-6 of the PAC-16 teams are regional and within driving distance. I think it would be a great fit and having one or both of the Oklahoma school go with us would keep us from being the eastern most outpost of the PAC-16. Not saying it's going to happen, but I like being linked to OU.

Tamara Khiatani 8 years, 10 months ago

KU needs to stop being so passive and try to get into the mix for the PAC-12. How about a four-team package of OU, OSU, KU and BYU, or OU, OSU, KU and New Mexico or OU, OSU, KU and MU, or OU, OSU, KU and Notre Dame?

One of those combos could work. If KU waits around for the Big 12 to fall apart, its options will be very limited.

Notre Dame isn't coming to the Big 12. For one thing, Texas doesn't want them. But maybe ND will see the writing on the wall that the west is the place to be. Suddenly a lot of Cali kids will want to play at ND. And the PAC would have a 16 team conference with an East/West division.

Ben Kane 8 years, 10 months ago

We (the conference) need to be looking at this as an opportunity not a problem.

If all 9 other schools remain, and I don't trust mizery at all, we still have a pretty attractive conference and we should be looking at raiding the big east and the acc, maybe even the pac12.

If we can get pittsburgh and wvu i think we will find a third high caliber team to join rather easily. however, i propose that we don't stop there, now is the time to go to 16.

yes this means we will never compete in football, but we will still make a lot of money from it because our conference will be super good.

Daniel Kennamore 8 years, 10 months ago

But how do you convince any of the stronger teams from those conferences to join one that is obviously crumbling? You can't.

Ben Kane 8 years, 10 months ago

i know it doesn't seem this way right now, but i believe our conference has a better chance of being around 10 years from now than the acc.

Kevin Huffman 8 years, 10 months ago

They need to get ambitious and become the first 16-team league.

Add: West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Cincinnati, TCU, Houston & BYU.

Could have an 8-team East of West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Cincinnati, Missouri, Iowa State, Kansas & Kansas State and an 8-team West of TCU, Houston, BYU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech & Baylor.

The easy one team replacement possiblities would seem to be (most likely in order): Houston, BYU or sadly SMU.

Could see them add all three also however. If all three are added something tells me that they'd throw Texas Tech into the North instead of one of the Oklahoma schools....North would be: KU, KSU, MU, ISU, BYU & TTech......South would be Houston, SMU, OU, OSU, Texas & Baylor.....one that would be the least happy would be TTech. If they went East / West here some sort of rivalry would possibly have to go....But could be - West: BYU, TTech, Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma & Oklahoma State....East: Houston, Kansas State, Kansas, SMU, Missouri & Iowa State.

Ozarkace68 8 years, 10 months ago

I am still not convinced that the politicians and the alums of the now "long nosed" and untrustworthy Aggies want what the Aggie Admin wants. So, "it ain't over til it's over." They have a very scary ex-yell leader who wants to be President and this will not help him gain votes in Texas.

I do not see a likely counter balance candidate on the horizon for the SEC. Miami may not have football in 2012 and several SEC schools are likely to vote no for many of the candidates mentioned. Unless there is a "ringer" out there for them, could the Aggies have bolted too early?

There remain legal issues to be resolved and I really do not see a resolution prior to 2012. The Longhorn Network, the Big XII TV deal with FOX, all of this muddies the water. What is the hurry?

I would like the Big XII to become assertive for a change. Go after BYU, Air Force, and SMU. All three have good facilities, good or rising programs and seem to have an interest. All three offer market presence that enhance the TV contract. They give balance to the Big XII North.

Forget Notre Dame. They bring the same negatives that Texas already offers a Prima dona national program that has not proved itself over the past few years. We need to rebuild the Big XII brand from within. SMU will get some jeers but football with June Jones will grow on the Metroplex and should be as competitive as several Big XII 2nd division programs are from the start. Programs like us, I am sorry to say.

In Basketball, the Road to the Big XII and the NCAA will continue to lead through The Phog. I am already getting psyched. I like the concept. I like the team match up and I think the Aggies will get what they deserve. SEC schools, if indeed that is the league they end up in, raiding their recruiting grounds, and second tier football and basketball programs scrambling for national recognition.

And for the $64,000. What if the Big XII says good bye and the SEC deal falls through? And, what if the Big XII can sell SMU (Sure thing) BYU, and Air Force, on the wisdom of life in the Big XII. How will A&M fare as an independent in 2012? It could happen. Maybe they can run roughshod over the Big East or the Mountain West OR Maybe they have been in secret negotiantion with the Big X + or even last year's suitor the evil PAC 12 ?. Has anyone figured a way to get the genie back in the bottle?

jgkojak 8 years, 10 months ago

Notre Dame can join a conf. and keep all of their TV money - best of both worlds. They WILL join a conf sooner rather than later.

BYU, likewise, can keep their TV deal and up their competition in football to where they have a shot at the national title or a BCS game. I'm pretty sure we land them if we make the right offer. Remember, it was down to BYU and Baylor for the 12th B12 slot. They add a large market (Salt Lake City) and have somewhat of a national following - especially out west.

Finally, Air Force is my choice if ND and BYU say no - it gets us back to Colorado and adds some nice diversity to the B12 in terms of type of school. And note - with AF, you add he armed forces network- meaning every B12 game AF participates in (and the tourney) is seen by the equivalent of a metro area the audience size of Kansas City worldwide. Who has more alumni -- Notre Dame or The Air Force? (answer: The Air Force)

phi4life940 8 years, 10 months ago

Notre Dame audience = alumni + catholics = >Air Force

Hank Cross 8 years, 10 months ago

The Pope will pray in Mecca before ND comes to the B12/9. BYU or AFA are solid picks. You're absolutely right about the exposure on the AFN.

Chris1955 8 years, 10 months ago

Actually, this is just a continuation of what probably should have happened when Nebraska and Colorado pulled the plug. The only difference is that outside of UT, every other Big 12 school should have taken advantage of this armistice to put plans into place for where they hope to go.

In my opinion, KU should have been proactive in continuing confidential discussions with conferences like the Pac 12 of Big TEN. The back room wheeling and dealing is where Lew Perkins would have excelled. I'm not sure about SZ being connected enough yet to overcome bad odds.

If state legislatures in Kansas and Oklahoma insist on keeping the "State" schools tied to the "University" schools, it will be harder to land in a "good" conference. If Kansas and Oklahoma are freed to be on their own, the picture could look somewhat difference for KU. Texas will have no choice but to become an independent, like ND and BYU.

I can envision three scenarios:

  1. MU to SEC = OU, OSU, KU, KSU to Pac 12
  2. MU and KU to Big TEN if KU and KSU allowed to separate, KU and MU are long time AAU members.
  3. Merger of some kind with ACC or Big East, or both

Teams that are really going to eat it are Baylor, ISU, and Texas Tech. Teams that could potentially eat it are Missouri, Kansas, KSU, and OSU. OU could go to the SEC or Pac 12. UT will go independent. The Longhorn Network almost guarantees this outcome.

The super conferences are coming. The Big 12 is doomed by lack of large TV markets outside of Texas, and also that none of the proposed additions to replace NU, CU, and TAMU could supply TV markets sexy enough to replace the departed.

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

Mormons occupy every major market west of the Rockies so adding BYU adds millions of TV sets. You get Denver, Phoenix, LA, San Diego, Vegas, Portland, Seattle, the Bay Area, and Salt Lake City and any other places I may have missed.

With Air Force, you get a national following as well as there are Air Force bases all over the country with bases near most major cities in the US along with the troops overseas.

As for the Longhorn Network, I have the complete opposite opinion on it. The way the contract is setup for the Longhorn network makes it nearly impossible for UT to go independent in the near future. In order for UT to make the move to independence in football, they would have to find another home for their other athletic programs. With they way their contract is setup, UT will have a very hard time finding a home in a BCS conference for their other programs and would likely have to setter for C-USA as a non-football membership and I can't see DeLoss Dodds doing that. That's why for the foreseeable future, UT will do absolutely everything they can to keep the Big 12 together and they will be the ones leading the charge to try and get Notre Dame in the conference.

David Atchley 8 years, 10 months ago

If you're looking for a sports columnist to add to your daily reading, check out "Dave Sittler" with the Tulsa World. He is Stoops favorite go-to writer for stories on OU,(its my understanding in a related story, Turner Gill has suggested removing the name of the newspaper a sportwriter represents, to make it more "team" oriented) he's very connected with Burns Hargis at OSU, and with that, he's reporting

Beebe claims the Big 12 “is poised” to be proactive is because of a five-member committee that’s been exploring the pluses and minuses of potential candidates and also deciding if the league should stay at 10 members or expand.

He has confirmed the five members include: Oklahoma State president Burns Hargis, Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione, Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton, Kansas State president Kirk Schulz and Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds.

Apparently those are your "power brokers" for any fate and/or decision with the Big 12.

He goes onto report this committee will make the recommendation to remain a 10 team conference and suggest "BYU" as the replacement and 10th team.

Several of the Big 12 Sources say that "no Conference USA team is being considered" which includes Houston and SMU.

A footnote, is BYU TV contract is with ESPN....recall ESPN is the network behind The Longhorn Network and ESPN can easily be the driving and determining factor on BYU joining the Big 12 Conference.

braverthanu 8 years, 10 months ago

I am happy A & M is out of the Big 12. The manleaders were so embarrasing it was hard to imagine kids wanting to attend a college where the manleaders use jazz hands. This is music to my ears.......I would never send my child to that school based on how the manleaders act at a game. What an embarrasing college...not to mention Gov. Perry attended that University. Good Bye!!

David Atchley 8 years, 10 months ago

Whereas the idea that "1" 9-1 season last year would remotely propel the Aggies to perceive they will be nothing more than a 2nd tier team in the SEC....their University and what it brings to the SEC is quite impressive.

Those of you that continue to wonder why SEC would be interested in Texas A&M...their academic muscle they bring to an otherwise 'low forehead/mouth-breathing conference" (apologies to Vanderbilt)

Home to more than 49,000 students, ranking as the sixth-largest university in the country, with more than 360,000 former students worldwide.

Holds membership in the prestigious Association of American Universities, one of only 63 institutions with this distinction.

Has an endowment valued at more than $5 billion, which ranks fourth among U.S. public universities and 10th overall.

Conducts research valued at more than $630 million annually, placing it among the top 20 universities nationally and third behind only MIT and the University of California at Berkeley for universities without medical schools.

Recognized as Home of the 12th Man, where students stand during football games to show support for the team - and for fellow Aggies - a personification of the Aggie Spirit.

Corps of Cadets is recognized among the nation's largest uniformed student bodies at more than 2,000 strong. Texas A&M commissions more officers than any other institution outside of the nation's service academies.

Named second in the nation by The Wall Street Journal among all universities, public and private, in a survey of top U.S. corporations, non-profits and government agencies, based on graduates that recruiters prefer to hire

Benjamin Piehler 8 years, 10 months ago

The only conferences Notre Dame would ever consider joining is the Big 10, maybe the Big East.

Most likely scenario: Big 12 lite with small fries like SMU, Houston ect.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what Mizzou does now. KU needs to start looking out for #1 to insure we aren't left out in the cold with KSU and ISU.

142466 8 years, 10 months ago

Even when Colo, Neb, & Tex A&M were still in the conference, the Big 12 was fighting an uphill battle to compete, academically & athletically, with the other BCS conferences. Given all the current upheaval in the Big 12, I don't see how the league can find 3 replacements to match the caliber of the 3 schools we've lost, especially if geography counts for anything at all. So, realistically, the current Big 12 is now in a downgrading mode. Therefore, KU should now be seeking to join one of the other BCS conferences. (I'd almost bet that OU, OSU, and some of our member Tex schools are already secretly doing so.) The PAC 12 is our best option, for several reasons. And, based on what happened last summer when the PAC 12 people were seeking new members, I think they would take us in. Best outcome for us would be for KU, OU, OSU, & UT to join the PAC 12.

Marcia Parsons 8 years, 10 months ago

Can't see Texas going to the Pac12 because of their new network. That's the reason they didn't leave the Big12 before. No one else would let them have their own network, including the Pac12.

WestNEHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

How many times must it be said: Football drives the bus !!! KU has basketball but has been barely competitive in the other collegiate sports. The schools that have been mentioned are not strong FB schools. The big12-3 needs someone who add's a television audience. How many TV's will tune in to watch KU-Colo St., IowaSt/Colo St, KU/AirForce, etc.? Maybe 250,000? Simply poor thinking. None of these are a regional marque game, simply a local broadcast.

Look beyond and admit KU needs to watch out for itself. The big12-3 is limping along and KU should look to where it fits best, including moving away from the 4-yr JUCO in Manhattan.

Shane Garrett 8 years, 10 months ago

Big 12 is not a conference it is a death pac.

Daniel Kennamore 8 years, 10 months ago

You have shamed your family with that horrible misspelling. You know what that means, right?

tychi_jayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Enough of getting picked apart. Make a really bold move and form a brand new confrence:

BIG12 (9) + ACC (11*) = BIG20

*FSU will go to SEC right after they pick up aTm.

buckleyhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

SEC won't raid a state that already has an SEC team (protects the Vandy's more than the Florida's of course)...

tychi_jayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

True enough, however I don't think old by-laws would be much of a hindrance should this expansion crisis really start picking up.

justinryman 8 years, 10 months ago

Isn't Vandy in Tennessee? Therefore the University of Tennessee is in the same state as Vandy and the same Conf.

buckleyhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Two things...Wally is right, this conference is gone, and if it's not, it's going to be this decade's version of Conference USA. Which is worse than it being gone.

2 -- Football does drive the bus. That said, can somebody find the total AD revenues by school? The best I could find is missing OU / OSU / Baylor (the last one is understandable -- private):

Big 12 Schools ranked by total subtotal 1. University of Texas $89,651,682 2. Texas A&M University $64,180,453 3. University of Nebraska $55,876,334 4. University of Kansas $50,826,019 5. Texas Tech University $47,961,420 6. University of Missouri $46,812,603 7. Kansas State University $39,884,220 8. University of Colorado $35,851,791 9. Iowa State University $28,913,010

Everybody blindly says "football is driving the bus" and forgets that other, big-time basketball schools, provide a lot of revenue with basketball, and do just enough in football -- combining the two ends up being pretty good though (better than the "huge football power" guaranteed to be in SEC/B10/whatever that is Mizzou).

tychi_jayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Nice research. This is precisly why we're in a slightly better position than ksu, isu, tt, and baylor.

Don't know if this is what you're looking for, but it's interesting...

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2009/06/20090615/SBJ-In-Depth/Top-Revenue-Producers-In-College-Athletics.aspx

buckleyhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Yeah, nice find...that was for the 2007-2008 year, where we had the NC in basketball and the Orange Bowl in FB. With those two things probably should have been even higher imo!

Steve Hillyer 8 years, 10 months ago

Interesting link, I don't understand how KU was 11th overall in revenue but didn't crack the top ten in either basketball or football. Of course we aren't going to in FB but I find it hard to believe we weren't in the top 10 in Bball.

buckleyhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

It was because they had ~55 mil. in "Non sport-specific funds", which I read a couple of places probably meant non-specific donorship (remember Lew anyone?) and probably merchandising...

buckleyhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Found it -- 2009-2010 year, B12 schools ranked by revenue:

Team Total University of Texas $143,555,354 University of Oklahoma $98,661,765 University of Nebraska $73,483,733 University of Kansas $71,881,111 Texas A&M $71,857,071 Oklahoma State $65,568,706 University of Missouri $55,674,279 Baylor $54,141,924 Kansas State $52,400,839 University of Colorado $49,521,519 Texas Tech $48,075,056 Iowa State $46,871,554

KU is easily in the top half.

Also keep in mind that KU also brings high relevance and credibility to any future basketball TV contract.

Steve Hillyer 8 years, 10 months ago

Curious to learn where you got these numbers

David Atchley 8 years, 10 months ago

Its about "television" revenue for the networks and the networks are having an integral part of the realignment and influence on that among conferences. Combined sports revenue for its respective school. Schools like Texas, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Arkansas, Oklahoma, have all had at one time very credible and formidable "basketball" programs. They simply haven't been sustainable because their fan base continues to grow in support for their football programs.

Texas and Florida have out-recruited Kansas in the last couple of years for key players. However, both schools as well as the others mentioned, take a back-seat to football. The only schools south of the "Mason-Dixon" line where basketball is more relevant than football is Duke and North Carolina. Every single school in the South and Southwest has their television contracts solely based on TV revenue and ratings.

canuckhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

How about take an approach of moving into SEC country for football schools that the SEC will never take: FSU, Clemson and Georgia Tech come to mind. Those schools want to be in a football conference and would love to match up with OU and UT and they are very unlikely to get into the SEC. Their basket ball isn't bad either.

That puts us back to 12 schools.

North Division (KU, K-state, Mizzou, Iowa St, OKst, OU)

South Division (UT, Baylor, Texas Tech, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech)

Just dreaming up a big time play. Too bad Louisiana, Ark, Alabama and Miss are in the way.

Brian Skelly 8 years, 10 months ago

I sound like a broken record here, but the biggest "fault" here is simply the Big 12 leadership not being about 123452345% more proactive about all of this. While everyone knew the issues simmering for years, no one really seemed to do anything about it -- or be all that interested in doing something about it.

Better late, than never would help though. Because if they dont expand here -- and in my opinion significantly (not one or 3 --- go 7 and make this thing big) they will get picked apart. Period. And even if they do go that route they may. But I think the only shot they have of maintaining long term AQ status is going huge.

Because at that point if MOST of the 'wannabes' are already AQ, your going to have a lot less of whats going on now. If they merely nit-pick we'll continue to lose schools.

Regardless, being proactive is the only option. Ending up in the Mountain West isnt.

lama 8 years, 10 months ago

No one wants K-State, and KU has zero leverage to force K-State into the equation. The Board of Regents will not block KU from accepting a bid to a BCS league just so it can stay with KSU in Conference USA.

jgkojak 8 years, 10 months ago

The dominoes...

  1. A&M goes to SEC.
  2. SEC needs a 14th member (they'll stop at 14 for now) and add FSU.
  3. The ACC is pissed, they need to get to 14 and add W. Va., Pitt. and S Florida (to replace FSU). 3.5 Somewhere in here, the B12, after making a play for Notre Dame, adds BYU.
  4. The Big East is down 3 football schools, its now or never, and the B10 makes its play to go to 16 -- they add Rutgers, Syracuse, Uconn and after a lot of footsie, Notre Dame. (This is where the B10 would rather be than Mizzou - the entire NE of the United States and the big NY/PA/NJ media markets).
  5. The B12 is still at 10, and after weathering the storm from the east, now faces expansionism from the west, where the Pac12 wants 2-4 more members. Here's where it gets interesting: Texas has decided it will stay in the B12 and short of that, will go Independent. With Texas off the table, the Pac12 goes after OU, OSU, TTech and Kansas. Texas expresses its desire to stay in the B12, opening the door for the 10 team B12 to survive. If not: Mizzou to SEC (along with Big East orphan Louisville), and KU, OSU, OU and TTch and KSU (as a condition of getting Kansas) to Pac 12, where we'll join an east division made up of Colorado, Utah, Kansas, KSU, Oklahoma, OSU, Texas Tech and Arizona State (who would be very happy to be in a different division that Arizona).
    We'll play 7 games against division in FB and 2 west teams rotating for a 10 team conf. sched. In basketball, we'll play home and home against division (14 games) and 1 game against other division (21 total conf games- ick).

For those of you hoping for a Pac 12 - I'd much rather be in a 10 team B12 with BYU.

buckleyhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

"Schools like Texas, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Arkansas, Oklahoma, have all had at one time very credible and formidable "basketball" programs. They simply haven't been sustainable because their fan base continues to grow in support for their football programs."

That statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. UT is still credible. LSU was credible only because Dale Brown paid players like Shaq and Chris Jackson to come. Same with OU (at least on the cheating front). In fact, I don't even know how that would work. Football gets too big and crowds basketball out? How are UT and Florida still getting top-tier (even better than a basketball school like KU) players when the football program is cannibalizing the basketball program?

Just because football is the top dog relative to TV contracts doesn't mean that other sports can still garner, relatively speaking, lucrative albeit lesser contracts. That's my only point. If we are talking about taking a Mizzou with a pretty good fb team and a decent bb team, or a Kansas with a mediocre fb team but a historically great bb team -- my point is, you can't just say, Team A has a better fb team than Team B so Team A is automatically guaranteed to be in a better conference.

While it is mostly about football, it's not all about football. You know why? Because it's all about $$$.

David Atchley 8 years, 10 months ago

That statement was in the context of the argument of revenues generated, and regardless of what a mens basketball or baseball program, or women's basketball may generate in attendance, its football the networks are only focused upon. All of those teams listed continue to have respectable and in some cases, formidable teams, they simply fight for revenue and attendance with their football teams.

If you have attended a basketball game at UT, you would quickly understand the gravity of my point. UT has placed Kevin Durant, LaMarcus Aldridge, T.J. Ford, etc. as college players on their team, they have to plead with people to show up for games. They average a 3/4 full arena for their home games. Regardless what defense can be made for a basketball program, the economies of scale support football and television revenue.

buckleyhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

I have seen many games (mostly non-KU games) at the Drum. It's not the greatest of places to see a game to be honest, and yes, I get what you are saying.

Still, at the same time, it's always been like that; and in lieu of not-great support, they still field ridiculously good teams, which is my point.

Benjamin Piehler 8 years, 10 months ago

I'm wondering what your opinions are on who gets the last spot in the SEC, assuming A&M winds up there.

I see FSU, Mizzou and V. Tech being tossed around a lot.

David Atchley 8 years, 10 months ago

FSU geographically fits, as does Clemson. However Mike Slive, the Commissioner, has stated several times they have no interest in disturbing the ACC Conference. That would obviously recuse V Tech and FSU from discussion. The logical team is Missouri. (As a related point Beebe said "no Conference USA team is being considered, so you have to just see if that is flak being thrown....or a legitimate position by both SEC and Big 12 Commissioners)

They begged the Big 10 last year to take them...St. Louis is a great sports town and TV market and they also share some of the Kansas City TV market. Missouri recruits heavily out of the Chicago area for its athletes, and their football program is trending-up. I am curious to see the fall-out with Frank Haith and his alleged violations at Miami. Its not by coincidence he ejected to the Mizzou job.

So, my guess of the choices given, Missouri seems the most logical progression. Again, I continue to hear about Arkansas being disgruntled with the addition of A&M, and their possible interest in the Big 12...."If" by some wild circumstance, the Big 12 could lure Arkansas to their conference, it makes the Conference considerably stronger and more viable over night. It restores a rival for both OU and Texas and helps to mend the traditions lost by Nebraska and A&M.

Should that happen before Missouri has to make a decision, it may have Missouri slowing down their decision-making process. Arkansas would make for a great rivalry for Missouri as well, Arkansas fans are as rabid as any Texas, OU fan, and have a great history of football and basketball tradition.

Steve Gantz 8 years, 10 months ago

The last thing I want is for KU to go to the PAC 12. Midnight finishes to basketball games anyone? Not me, not when the alarm is going off at 5:30. We need a way to stay in the region. We need games with the Iowa St.'s and OK st's more than we need games with Oregon St. and Washington St. Some of you make road trips to Ames or Columbia, or Stillwater for road games. None of you is making a road trip to Arizona, or Utah. PAC 12 makes no sense.

In non-revenue sports the PAC 12 is phenomenal. Not that those matter that much, but it leads to more embarrassing losses for these teams as well.

So please, for the sake of the fans, the players and KU's reputation, say no to the PAC 12.

Scott Smetana 8 years, 10 months ago

Is the Pac 12, 14, or 16 worse than the Mountain West or Conference USA? I think not.

Steve Gantz 8 years, 10 months ago

I see what you're thinking, but what I'm saying is KU needs to figure out a way to keep an old Big 8 core together. That to me is better than PAC ___ or playing in those lesser conferences.

And what's wrong with an 8 or 9 team conference anyways? No one is asking that it seems.

Josh Galler 8 years, 10 months ago

i see your point but if we go to the Pac 12 with assuming OU OSU and UT for Basketball our division most likely will be with UTah, CU, Ariz and ASU for the 8 team and most likely 2 trips to the west coast for basketball and 1 trip for FB.

justinryman 8 years, 10 months ago

The Big12 should have been proactive last summer, and went for TCU and Boise St., kept it at 12 and then when the Aggies leave all you have to do is add either BYU or Colorado St. to keep it at 12.

But Bebee and Company have let that ship sail all in the good will of making Texas happy. Well Texas got theirs and the rest have been hung out to try.

A&M left the Big1w for the same reason Arkansas left the SWC, Texas. And for good measure the same reason Nebraska left too.

There is no reason to try and add pebbles to a breaking dam, it will fail either way. If the Big12 wants to stay afloat and become a major player in the landscape of college sports it needs to hit a home run with it's grab for a new team or teams.

No ND isn't going to leave the friendly confines of independence, as their tv contract with NBC is too great to give up. Other then them there isn't a lot of HRs out there, Arkansas??? c'mon the whipping boy of the SEC??? Lateral move.

It's time Kansas starts to look out for themselves before Ok and OkSt head West. it's time that Kansas makes it's own move early rather than sitting by and watching it get passed by, by other schools as they put themselves into a position to survive in a major conference.

The Big East is out there, but does anyone remember what happened when all those small western schools joined the WAC? That's right it broke into 2 separate conferences, no not divisions, but some stayed in the WAC others went Mountain West. And now they are both having issues. Perhaps thats what will happen to the Big East as more western schools join, TCU, KU, KSt and perhaps Iowa St. Maybe after a few years they break free from the Big East and start their own conference taking Louisville, and maybe a Conf. USA team or two with them????

LogicMan 8 years, 10 months ago

My first choice would be adding three. But if only one, Arkansas makes the most sense, then ND, then BYU. Or better yet, get all three in the same room and work a package deal to get them all.

ND is ticked at the Big10+2. They think they had the idea for forming the Big 10, but were left out because of their religious affiliation. We don't have that negative history, and have Baylor to prove our goodwill! And ND could keep their TV contract as part of the deal.

But if turned down absolutely by all but BYU, then an expansion by five makes sense. Take BYU and cherry-pick the MWC. I'd go after New Mexico, Colorado State, Wyoming, and Boise State, along with BYU, as a package deal. If seven, add Air Force and UNLV too.

To help sooth the feelings of those MWC members left out, encourage all Big 12+4 members to schedule them as non-conference opponents throughout the season. They'd unofficially be associate members of the Big12+4 that way, and be groomed as replacements, if needed. They'd probably merge back with the WAC too.

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Leave it the way it is and call the conference The Mudville Nine.

justinryman 8 years, 10 months ago

+100

But you know Texas would want it to be called the Reddirt 9, right?

Robert Brock 8 years, 10 months ago

According to Bevo it is The Bovine Nine.

actorman 8 years, 10 months ago

"If ND is ever going to join a conference, then the Big 12 will be it. We're the only conference that currently allows individual TV deals, so they could keep their NBC deal and share in the conference package as well.

The Big 10 requires even sharing, so they'd have to give it up - probably why they haven't joined."

Thank you, Chicago! Guys, can we PLEASE put to bed once and for all the tired argument that ND won't join the Big XII because they haven't joined the Big 10?!?!? Like most people, I think it's highly unlikely that ND would ever join the Big XII. (I sure hope I'm wrong, because it would certainly be a game-changer.) But the Big 10 situation is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to whether or not the Irish would join the Big XII. And it's getting really old seeing one person after another bring it up.

Tamara Khiatani 8 years, 10 months ago

The real argument against ND joining the Big 12 is that Texas doesn't want them in the conference. And that issue isn't going away.

Sam Constance 8 years, 10 months ago

Where did you read that?

And why wouldn't Texas want them? Texas, more than anyone, wants the Big 12 to work so that they can have their cake (LHN) and eat it too (Big 12 TV deals). Grabbing Notre Dame would all but assure that would happen.

Jeremiah Jefferson 8 years, 10 months ago

The comments on the "Mighty" BIG XII crack me up. For starters, its not the Big XII anymore. Its "The other BIG 10" soon to be BIG 9 lol. Notre Dame isnt coming to the BIG 9 either so forget it. While Notre Dame sucks pretty bad, they would stomp KU any day of the week, atleast on the football field. Furthermore its ridiculus to think that a team out of the Mountain west would come to the BIG 9. KU is looking for easy money to make on a few small schools and I would advise caution when doing so. Teams like BYU, Airforce and Colorado State should not be taken lightly. They might not be the power house that Alabama or Ohio State is, but they are very capable of dismantling KU on the football field.. The BIG XII is finished people, get over it. While the KU basketball team has alot riding on conference realignment, the football team would do good to step down to Conference USA. KU is a basketball school, nothing more. Get over it

Benjamin Piehler 8 years, 10 months ago

I will eat my hat (and some crow) if the Big 12 lands any team already in an AQ conference.

Scott Smetana 8 years, 10 months ago

How stupid is A&M gonna look when the SEC still doesn't want them? Is the SEC stupid enough to add Mizzery?

Big 12 needs to add just one and will be fine. KU will be fine as long as we stick with OU.

I wish we could add back CU. They actually wanted back after the Big 12 didn't sink. (so says my insider). I'm really gonna miss KU games in Boulder. CU is really gonna miss anyone coming to their games. Houston? Nah.

blindrabbit 8 years, 10 months ago

Where did this Notre Dame rumor rubbish start; was it part of a sermon delivered at the local Catholic Churches. Forget it, Notre Dame is not interested in the Big12, 10, 9 or whatever we are called, let alone the real Big 10. Though ND is not the football power it once was, it still has a huge following of moneyed fans that are committed to maintaining no conference affiliation. Can't stand them, but don't blame them for keeping clear of the conference messes and revenue sharing.

Steve Hillyer 8 years, 10 months ago

For those who keep saying KU and KSU can't be separated, Brownback was on the radio last year and he said there is nothing in writing stating the schools had to stay together. They are no more stuck with each other than Iowa Iowa St., Colorado and Colorado St., Utah/Utah St, Georgia/ Georgia Tech etc etc

Matt Gauntt 8 years, 10 months ago

Teams to add:

Numbers are from 2007-2008 (latest I could find) KU had $86 million for comparison

University of Iowa - Natural competition with Iowa State. Total Athletics revenue - $81 mil. Notre Dame - Could provide incentive for Texas to stay put. $83 million Arkansas - Bring back an old SWC team. $64 million TCU - $43 million BYU - $37 million Memphis - Would love to play them in b-ball, $33 million SMU - They want in and appear ready to grow. $33 million Northern Illinois - Selfish reasons - I could watch a game every once in a while - $19 million

letourneau41 8 years, 10 months ago

Iowa - Not going to leave the Big 10 for a unstable conference Notre Dame - Not coming to the Big 12 get over it. Arkansas - Do you really think they want to leave the SEC?

aviebs51 8 years, 10 months ago

Here's the way I see it.....ND= no chance......Arkansas = no chance.....byu = who cares. I know that Texas is the cash cow...but as long as they are in our conference it is going to be shaky at best. Why would Arkansas have any interest in giving up the stability of the SEC? It is a matter of time before the big 12 crumbles.

Why hasnt anybody brought up the idea of the ACC. I think it's very viable as I'd rather us play on the east coast than the west. The immediately become more competitive in football and basketball season would be amazing. I think that's more of a normal fit....I'd rather see the ACC go to a 14 team conference and add us, the grapes, and misery. I think you gain one big market in St. Louis and some crumbles in KC. But could you imagine blocking a whole night off with super Tuesday....KU vs puke and unc vs ksu....you talk about a great night for the state. I think in football you get misery....

The big 12 is doomed....be proactive. The next university I want to hear in the conference realignment talk is us. Go big ten or ACC.......

rob4lb 8 years, 10 months ago

Here is an idea that someone floated around. SEC grabs two teams from the ACC and Missouri. Now that the dominos are falling, the Big 10 takes someone like Maryland to get a foothold on the east coast. The ACC is down to 9. Miami gets kicked out. The ACC is down to 8 and there are eight remaining Big 12 schools. In this case, why not merge what's left of both conferences to form a 16 team league? Maybe you could do something like that with the Big East football schools as well.

There needs to be more creativity than the suggestions on this blog!

Steve Gantz 8 years, 10 months ago

KU-Duke-NC all in the same conference! That'd be fun.

David Atchley 8 years, 10 months ago

Rob you'll see my earlier post where the "5" committee members for Beebe all claim no team is being considered in "Conference USA" You asked for some creativity...here's mine...a proactive move, would be for the Big 12 to raid the Mountain West.

Take TCU, Colorado State, Air Force, Wyoming and either BYU or Boise State to that mix. That gives you a legitimate market share in the Denver/Colorado Springs market with Colorado State and Air Force, Wyoming with Christensen as their head coach is already changing that program. (if you've never been to Wyoming for a game, you have never get a bigger welcome from opposing fans) and that grabs TCU as well.

I realize San Diego State and Boise State are two of the jewels in that Conference, but geographically, doesn't make as much sense as the Big 12 continuing to control their contiguous states. I continue to hear chatter about Arkansas and that would make things interesting and restore a rivalry for Texas and Oklahoma in the Big 12. If Missouri sticks around, Arkansas would become a quick rivalry for them as well.

rob4lb 8 years, 10 months ago

I'm out of the country and just read through the comments. Nothing new after many weeks of discussion. It still amazes me that people continue to say things that make no sense. The facts are: -With the exception of BYU, adding another non-BCS school is not attractive. It smacks of desperation and weakens the conference. -UT and Tech already give the conference the Houston and Dallas markets. Stop talking about TCU and UH. -Notre Dame has already indicated it is not going to the Big 12 or any other conference. -No team from the SEC, Big 10 or Pac 12 will move from stability to instability. -No one has indicated we are tied to K-State. The preference is to keep them together and I'm sure there will be alot of political posturing if the schools split, but I can't see the regents forcing both schools to stay together if one has a stronger option. -BASKETBALL DOESN'T MATTER!!

If the other nine schools are truly committed, replacing A&M with BYU solves the problem.

Steve Gantz 8 years, 10 months ago

Unfortunately those are not facts, they're opinions. Good try though.

Sam Constance 8 years, 10 months ago

1) What Notre Dame (or any other school) has "already indicated" is worth about as much as a used piece of toilet paper. I can't believe after all the public posturing and flat out lies from schools, conferences, etc... people still take what School X or Conference Y at face value. If Notre Dame is given an offer that appeals to them, what they've said in the past won't matter one bit. Just like A&M's "affirmation" last year was complete horsesh*t.

Though a long-shot, there are definitely a couple factors working in favor of a ND-to-B12 move: the ability to keep their NBC contract but also share in conference contract revenue is one. The ability to join the Big 12 and be seen (at least in perception) as the "savior" of the conference would certainly appease egos. Obviously, the "against" factors include ND losing their current cushy bowl tie-in and having to earn a berth to the BCS through the Big 12.

2) The "no team is going to leave stability for instability" argument makes no sense. The Big 12 is unstable because teams are leaving. The second an SEC, Big 10 or Pac-12 school started entertaining a move to the Big 12, suddenly they would find themselves in an unstable conference.

3) Basketball doesn't matter... IF you aren't one of 5 (or so) schools that bring national cache and audience to whatever conference they join. The difference between basketball and football is that you don't have to be top-tier elite program to consistently finish in the black, revenue-wise, in football. This is due to a lot of factors, one of the biggest being that all games are consolidated on a single weekend day, when people are consistently available in large numbers to watch/attend football. Basketball games are played in smaller arenas at inconsistent times and days when viewership is not as solidified. However, KU is clearly a school that has the longevity, revenue-generating power, and national cache to bring a consistent TV audience that makes them an appealing addition, even without a respectable football program.

Obviously, football TV contracts are the primary driver behind this whole circus, but the idea that no conference has any opinion or concern outside of football is myopic. There will be a conference that recognizes the benefits that KU brings to the table. As a Jayhawk fan, I'm not the slightest bit worried that KU will land somewhere decent. My only concern is the potential geographical trickiness if we get stuck in the Pac-12 or East Coast oriented conference.

rob4lb 8 years, 10 months ago

On a side note. I live in Houston and it is hilarious how upset the UT guys are at A&M. They felt like they could control them. They always believed that the SEC would not want A&M without Texas. Say what you will, but losing A&M weakens the conference. That means that UT is weakened. Winning the Big 12 without A&M and Nebraska does not have a much pull. The Big 12 is much closer to the Big East than they are to the SEC or Big 10.

Hank Cross 8 years, 10 months ago

Now is the time to hold Bevo's filthy hoof to the fire. Like the monkey who won't let go of the candy in the trap, UT won't go to another conference b/c they don't want to give up the LHN. Yet, the B9 has to expand to remain viable. I'd love for the North 4 to demand that BYU, AFA, and Memphis be added to bring the conference back to 12. The ONLY way KU is ever going back to a BCS bowl is if the B12 North is resurrected and KU catches a dream schedule again.

If Bevo won't go for that, explain that we will be contacting the BE, P12, and B10 b/c the conference is no longer viable and UT can play UT-Arlington and Sam Houston State as an independent.

I only wish A&M had done this last year, we'd have been on the way to the P16.

Kent Wells 8 years, 10 months ago

What is all this nonsense I hear about A2M? A disgusting topic on our boards just days before the football season kicks off. We must be bored since we are focusing in on such an abhorent topic. Personally, I can't understand anyone being in favor of this degenerate act of malice. Only a misogynistic demon could support this behavior. Those you that call yourself a supporter, well, there is a special place for you. That's the SEC.

Jayandseahawk 8 years, 10 months ago

How about this (for competitiveness, travel costs and fan bases):

Tulsa

Memphis

Louisiana Tech

buckleyhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Littering and...littering and...littering and...smoking the reefer.

I got it though. Except I might replace LA-Tech with SMU; get that true C-USA feel...

Tamara Khiatani 8 years, 10 months ago

How about just calling it Conference USA Jr then?

Better to just dissolve the conference and find a new home for everyone.

Maybe:

Texas to SEC (It would allow Texas to once again stick it to the Aggies)

OU, OSU, MU and KU to PAC 12

Baylor, KSU, ISU, and Texas Tech to Conf USA/Mountain West

Maracas 8 years, 10 months ago

Just blow the conference up already, so we don't have to go through this crap every year or every so many years. This conference is a dead man walking. It's just a matter of time before it's done.

chris1g 8 years, 10 months ago

Ok I may sound stupid when i say this but has KU ever thought about Boise State? Everyone always talks about how Boise State doesnt get any respect because they dont play in a major conference, well wouldnt all that stop if they joined the Big XII or is there some reason why they cant or wont join the Big XII?

chris1g 8 years, 10 months ago

sorry i didnt mean KU i meant the Big XII have they ever thought about Boise State

David Atchley 8 years, 10 months ago

A point worth mentioning....amongst all the chatter this past year of The Longhorn Network, Big 12 increasing their television revenues with both FOX and ESPN...and all the other network posturing..."Versus" was part of the Comcast merger of their "content" operations with NBC. In January of 2012, "Versus" becomes the "NBC Sports Network." (It may be one of the few "life-lines" for the NHL)

I perceive NBC is aligning itself with their new deep pockets with now Comcast and Universal, to begin chipping away at the choke-hold ABC/ESPN has recently on College Football.

That said, NBC is the exclusive network for "Notre Dame" The Big 12 is perceived as "vulnerable" right now by the general public. If there is solidarity among the Committee members picked by Beebe, (OU, UT, KSU, MO, OSU) an aggressive thought is to raid what may be a more vulnerable Conference in the Mountain West. Add Colorado State, Air Force, Wyoming and TCU along with possibly Notre Dame and Arkansas and you have a very formidable Conference. The MW teams like Boise State and San Diego are more suited for the West Coast/PAC 12 absorption.

That would give you 16 teams,(potentially) would recapture some of the Denver TV market, Christensen (former OC from Mizzou) is doing great things with the program at Wyoming, and of course TCU would be a great addition.

That would certainly catch the attention of Versus/NBC as they transition into the NBC Sports Network, provide existing network coverage already in the MWC, and "if" Notre Dame would be part of that package, NBC strengthens its bid all around. It may make for a lucrative alternative for the Big 12 as respects their TV contract.

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