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A&M to SEC getting serious

What began with Texas A&M playing the role of the angry youngster who wanted to take his ball and go home appears to have moved into a stage that will change the look of the Big 12 Conference for the second time in 14 months.

You thought it was weird to have a league with 10 teams go by the moniker, “Big 12?” Try staring at one with nine.

The Rivals.com site AggieYell.com reported Thursday evening that A&M had decided to leave the Big 12 and that the SEC had extended an official invitation. According to reports, the key date is Aug. 22. That’s when A&M’s board of regents are expected to meet and possibly vote to join the SEC as soon as 2012.

When the rumors about A&M’s courtship with the SEC first popped up, they appeared to be nothing more than grumblings from a university that was upset with its older brother. The Texas Longhorns always got everything they wanted, and life, A&M seemed to think, was just not fair.

However, in the past couple of days, some key people have given legs to the speculation, including Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe, UT athletic director DeLoss Dodds and Texas governor Rick Perry, an A&M graduate living in Austin, who, on Saturday, is expected to announce his candidacy for president of the United States.

To call this whole thing odd would be an understatement. To call it a done deal would be a little off base. However, there is real talk going on between A&M and the SEC and the Aggies’ move south could become official or blow up entirely at any minute.

Sources have told the Journal-World that the Big 12 could, and likely would, survive if it lost A&M.

Texas, and to a smaller extent Oklahoma, continue to be the key pieces here. If they were to leave the Big 12 along with A&M, we could be in for a repeat of last summer’s scramble regarding conference realignment.

Officials at neither OU nor Texas have hinted that they’re unhappy with the current set-up, so, at this point, it looks as if A&M may be walking this walk by itself.

Reports from around the Big 12 have suggested that the other nine schools have been busy getting their ducks in a row should it become time to act. But the belief here is that the rest of the league is at least happy enough with the current set-up and would be content to explore adding a 10th school — instead of disbanding — should A&M bolt for the SEC.

Schools that could be considered include and are not limited to: Arkansas, Houston, Notre Dame, TCU and others.

Of course, with Missouri continuing to flirt with the Big Ten and Texas always able to do whatever the heck it wants, Big 12 ground remains unstable at best. A scenario that sends Kansas to the Big East or Pac-16 still could happen.

Things are beginning to look worse than they did a year ago as conference and school officials have had several months to contemplate what their futures might look like and how they may want to shape them.

It’s a very different landscape than it was in June of 2010, and the reality is it’s a drastically different picture than the one Beebe painted when he stood up at Big 12 media days in Dallas last month and boasted about how strong the Big 12’s bond was.

There’s still a long way to go in all of this and it’s a safe guess that a resolution — one way or the other — will come quickly.

Things may appear worse for the Big 12 as a whole this time around, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll be worse for Kansas.

Stay tuned.

Here's a look at what's being written around Big 12 country and nationally.

The Sporting News looks at the mass expansion that could take place should A&M leave the Big 12

CBSsports.com says A&M to SEC could happen

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution says it will happen and also examines OU’s role in this.

ESPN.com’s SEC blogger says it’s only a matter of time before SEC expands.

Houston Chronicle says Texas A&M has one foot out the door.

The Austin American-Statesman reports that Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is taking things very seriously.

Comments

Daniel Kennamore 3 years, 4 months ago

As silly as conference realignment may seem, the fact that Rick Perry is a candidate for President is the most ridiculous thing in this article.

Steve Jacob 3 years, 4 months ago

A&M can go to the SEC, but you don't think the LSU and Alabama are thinking about starting their own TV network? Or wondering why they get the same cut as Vanderbilt?

nuleafjhawk 3 years, 4 months ago

As far as I'm concerned - EVERYONE can bail from the Big 12 - just leave us and K-State. Then we will win the league every year until the end of eternity in basketball and at least win it every other year in football.

As time progresses, we can add in Emporia State, Washburn, Pittsburg State, Haskell, Bethany, Brown Mackie and Kansas Wesleyan. We will cut travel expenses and keep all the money in-state.

We could stil call it the Big 12, everyone knows that the number of teams that are actually in the league don't have to match the number of the league name.

DocBean 3 years, 4 months ago

I assume you're trolling, and not really that dumb.

nuleafjhawk 3 years, 4 months ago

Sorry, the sarcasm font on my computer is broken Doc.

William James 3 years, 4 months ago

Danny- It could be worse, the article could of mentioned our current President, or the deficit, or job numbers, or our new credit rating, or Libya.

milwaukeeJAYHAWK 3 years, 4 months ago

lol. you're defending Rick Perry. hahahahaha

Viggo3003 3 years, 4 months ago

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like our federal deficit

Chris Bailey 3 years, 4 months ago

Obama is officially the worst president EVER! You heard it hear first! He doesn't even have his party's best interests at heart! Heck I'm not sure the democratic party shouldn't pick someone else to run in 2012! Just keep spending Obama!

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 4 months ago

Still think the pac10 might step up again. With them getting ready to launch a new network I'm sure they would love a school east of CO. We just need Sheahon to step up (hahaha right) and show them that ku reaches not only the kc market but also parts of Denver, Chicago, Stl, Dallas, and has a big presence on the west coast already which would help with ticket sales. Every pharmacist I talk to in Phoenix went to KU and SoCal is full of alum. The thing about most KU grads is they leave after they graduate giving KU a much bigger national presence then most people think.

haydenhawkco 3 years, 4 months ago

The big issue is our little brother who loves purple clothes. Not sure if our AD wants to leave them behind. That relationship will send both of us to Conf USA.

JJHawq 3 years, 4 months ago

we leave after we graduate - which shows we ARE the smarter of the two shools.

sorry - low blow. I still live here.

Chris Bailey 3 years, 4 months ago

What the hell????????????????????? Ahperse are you saying you're a pharmacist??????????????????????????????????????? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Todd 3 years, 4 months ago

This is all ridiculous. It's about nothing but money and whining about big brother Texas getting too much attention. A&M would get crushed in everything in the SEC. And like SJR said, what makes A&M think that LSU or 'Bama or Florida might not try to get their own networks?

jihas1620 3 years, 4 months ago

Texas A&M would get "crushed" in everything? I don't know how much you know about college sports other than football, but TAMU are national champs in track (both men and women 3 years in a row, which by the way is record setting), national champs in women's basketball, national champs in tennis doubles, and have a great men's basketball team, men's baseball team, terrific golf team, terrific softball team and women's soccer team! SO, I am not understanding how we will be crushed in everything? Please enlighten me!

79ictjhawk 3 years, 4 months ago

aTm also RULES in bad mitten, tidally winks, & beer pong!

clovis_sangrail 3 years, 4 months ago

I do not know much about sports, but I do know enough to know that nobody except the players, and maybe their parents, cares much about who wins men's track, women's track, women' basketball,tennis doubles, baseball, golf, softball or women's soccer.

William James 3 years, 4 months ago

I think it would be a smart move for the Ags to go to the SEC. Its widely understood it is the elite conference in football, the money sport, as well as the popular sport.
doubleJ25- I understand your probably a KU fan, so you may have overlooked this, but Texas A&M is currently ranked in the Top 10 in the coaches preseason poll in football, so you understand that I disagree with your comment that the Aggies "would get crushed in everything". Turner Gill is a nice guy, we feel bad beating him by 40 every year. Besides, beating KU by 40 dosent really do much for our program anyway.

milwaukeeJAYHAWK 3 years, 4 months ago

Would likely be a good move....however....Ags would get absolutely pounded in the SEC. If you can barely make it in the Big 12, you sure as hell aren't going to swim in the SEC. You'd be a new punching bag.

Sam Constance 3 years, 4 months ago

That's funny. The last two times KU and A&M have faced, the record has been 1-1. But hey, you beat a first year coach by 35 in a year where everyone and their mom embarrassed KU on the field, so you're BACK BABY!!!

A&M being in the preseason top 10 is not only meaningless, but the first time their football program has been even slightly relevant in the last decade. A&M is 2-12 in it's last 14 bowl games, stretching back to 1991, and has finished in the final Top 25 nine times in the same timeframe (that's 21 years, if you're counting at home). The last time you won a conference championship was last century.

Of course, you can come back with all sorts of rips about Kansas football, but then again, we seem to understand what we are. A&M officials, alums and fans are suffering from the delusion that they are the Aggies from the early-to-mid 1900s. I'm flabbergasted as to how they think a move to the arguably more difficult SEC will get them the attention and reputation they seek when they haven't even been successful in the Big 12 for the last decade.

Not sure how this move is smart in any way beyond not having to deal with Texas, which seems like a petty, ridiculous reason to jettison a conference.

William James 3 years, 4 months ago

"The move to the SEC makes total sense for A&M, they will be able to finally move themselves out of Texas’ shadow and offer recruits something that Texas can’t, playing in the best football conference in the country. The only thing that may stop this move is the financial state of the program, it was reported a few years ago that the A&M Athletic program was in trouble but that could have been resolved with the resurgence of the football team. Plus the alumni boosters appear to be willing to pony up the penalty for leaving the Big 12 if that would mean a move to the SEC. No one can argue that the SEC isn’t the best football conference, the last five BCS titles" - misplacedjayhawk I guess that just about covers it. Thanks misplacedjayhawk.
marchphog- Congratulations on the victory in 07. Kansas had a great football team that year, unfortunately there wasnt a fanbase that appreciated it. I remember the empty Orange Bowl seats.

Sam Constance 3 years, 4 months ago

The idea that A&M gets an instant upgrade because it changes conferences is laughable, as is the idea that recruits will be more enticed to play at A&M because they will now finish in the middle of the SEC than the middle of the Big 12.

The SEC teams that have won the title recently did it because they had great teams, not because they played in the SEC. Trying to imply that moving to the SEC suddenly makes A&M a title contender is backwards reasoning.

Sidebar: empty seats at the Orange Bowl? Pretty sure KU sold out of its tickets, so if there were a lot of empty seats, they were likely Va. Tech seats, just like the following year: http://nittanywhiteout.com/2010/05/04/fedex-drops-orange-bowl-sponsorship-admist-declining-attendance-ticket-sales-and-ratings/

William James 3 years, 4 months ago

Hahaha! So who said that A&M gets an instant upgrade now that they are going to the SEC? Who said that moving to the SEC suddenly makes A&M a title contender? I think you might of confused conversations. I think A&M is a title contender this year and judging from the preseason coaches poll, I ain't alone. Also, the Ags will now be in a much more prestigious conference than the Longhorns Big 9 or Big 8 or whatever it will be next year. In that respect, they will have a clear recruiting advantage within the great state of Texas.

Sam Constance 3 years, 4 months ago

1) I didn't say that A&M going to the SEC makes them an instant title contender--I said that they think it's an instant upgrade. But A&M clearly thinks that moving to the SEC is an instant upgrade, and when you say things like "the Ags will now be in a much more prestigious conference", it's clear that you agree with that foolish reasoning.

2) If playing in the SEC is such a recruiting boon within the state of Texas, then explain why the SEC, as a conference, only had a handful of Texas-based recruits last year. Point of fact--having a low number of Texas-based recruits in the SEC is the norm, not the exception. The majority of high school kids want to play at or close to home. That's why an overwhelming majority of Texas recruits end up at Texas schools, or in the Big 12, where they will play Texas schools several times during their college tenure. Obviously, there are exceptions to this rule, but your average high school athlete is going to prefer the familiarity of staying in his own backyard.

3) If I had to guess, I'd say you were an A&M fan. Because your delusions about A&M being a title contender this year could only come from the same mindset that think A&M is making a upward move by going to the SEC (for the record, I'm not saying the SEC isn't a better football conference than the Big 12, just that moving to a better conference has absolutely no affect on A&M). This A&M team is basically the same one that got waxed by future fellow-SEC'er LSU in the Cotton Bowl last year. They are listed at #9 in the current preseason poll, which I guess means they are as much a title contender as any school in the top 15. Just keep in mind that Texas was preseason pick #4/5 last year. Va Tech was #6/10. With the benefit of hindsight, those two weren't quite as serious of title contenders after all...

Pitthawk34 3 years, 4 months ago

We had all better hope that our AD is up to the task and has a contigency plan in place with several options. This conference is not going to last long. No 2 ways about it. My worry is that since he is a KSU guy if things come to worse and we have several options he will take a option that keeps Kansas State attached to our behinds. If things shake up and SEC and Big 10 Raid the ACC I would rather go to ACC then to the Big East.

Hammertoe 3 years, 4 months ago

K-State went 13-1 against KU in Athletics last season. Who's connect to who's behind.

Chris Bailey 3 years, 4 months ago

Ok love the trolls on here! I'm so sick of KState pounding their chest's about how great they are as a University and in Athletics. Which team has the winning record over the other through the years? Which team is known nationally? Come on get real!

Pitthawk34 3 years, 4 months ago

There is word that Dallas Radio 103.3 is reporting that Tam to SEC is a done deal. Have a friend in Houston who said that is correct. What the hell is going on. Hopefully this is BS.

Phoggin_Loud 3 years, 4 months ago

Has Texas A&M been relevant since the SWC??

They should join Notre Dame, Florida State, Clemson, Iowa, Colorado, Missouri, & Yale and start the "Glory Days" Conference.

William James 3 years, 4 months ago

Na. I'd rather join the SEC. Have fun in your mid major Big 9 or Big 8. Gig Em!

Krohnutz 3 years, 4 months ago

Yeah, its A&M's idiotic greed that started this whole thing. They should be happy to not get in a more stable conference that is about to sign the most lucrative TV package in the history of the NCAA; instead, they should stay in the Big 12 and always have to put up with UT's bull$h!t year after year.

Come on, seriously... If KU had an offer from the Big 10 or SEC we would be hollaring our fool heads off to leave this sham of a conference.

Hammertoe 3 years, 4 months ago

Exactly. Football is driving the bus. Nobody is considering the ramifications to all the other sports. Travel would be a nightmare... They are college students afterall.

Scott Smetana 3 years, 4 months ago

I hate this 'market' by city thing. Saying Mizzery owns St. Louis is like saying CU owns Denver. No one in Denver gives a rats *ss about the buffaloes. I've lived in St. Louis, and all they care about is the Cardinals and getting really fat.

I think we buddy up with OU and go wherever they go. Let's ditch KSU, Mizzery, and ISU.

Hank Cross 3 years, 4 months ago

"The good news for Big 12 fans is that Beebe has been here before." Sorry, Matt but it's obvious that Beebe is nothing more than Dodds's throne dwarf. When are KU fans going to wake up and realize 'it was Barzini all along?' UT took over the conference lock, stock, and barrell.

You want our lunch money from CU and NU? Yes Bevo. Your own network which will broadcast HS games? Yes Bevo, we know we won't get anything more than a two-star FB recruit out of TX again once the good players have been on the Longhorn Network, it's OK Bevo.

Gig'em A&M! The sooner this conference gets blown to pieces, the sooner KU v. Gtown, UConn, Cuse, Ville, etc. become regular season games.

Hammertoe 3 years, 4 months ago

KU should give up on all other sports other than basketball....

Hammertoe 3 years, 4 months ago

KU should give up on all other sports other than basketball....

Hammertoe 3 years, 4 months ago

KU should give up on all other sports other than basketball....

Hank Cross 3 years, 4 months ago

Honestly, if it could be done. Yes, yes, and yes.

kureignman 3 years, 4 months ago

I didn't believe the rumors of conference realignment last time and was shocked that it happened. I was also surprised the commish kept his job after "saving" the conference This time I think we should already be in serious talks with other conferences. My first choice would be the ACC since it fits us best athletically. Next would be the Big 10 because of geography. Then the PAC 12. And last the big east, even if we have to join as a non football school (just joking).

I think if TAM goes to the SEC they will probably take OU, OSU, and TT with them. Texas will become an independent. The PAC 12 will try to get us but we will only go if they take Ksu which might be a problem. Other schools left fighting to get into conference USA.

Pitthawk34 3 years, 4 months ago

If we are offered Pac 12 and turn it down our AD had better be fired. I dont believe that our politicians will hold one of us back from being in a BCS conference. What they will do if force KU to play KSU yearly.

Ben Kliewer 3 years, 4 months ago

The Big Ten should just absorb what's left of the old Big 12 North making them a 16 team power conference. That makes the Big (16) Ten formidable in both football, and in basketball with the addition of Kansas and Kansas State. Plus, you retain great rivalries like Kansas/Nebraska, Kansas/Mizzou, Kansas/Kansas State, Mizzou/Illinois, Iowa/Iowa State, etc. etc. etc. Plus, from our perspective, it gives us a football power conference to belong to, just like now, and an opportunity to continue building our football program. We'll just get lumped in with "those teams" like Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois...you know, "those teams." Then, UT goes independent, OU, OSU, TTech and A&M go to the SEC making them a 16 team conference... Nobody cares about Baylor, but they can follow TCU to the Big East. Boise, Hawaii, Nevada and somebody else can join the Pac (or other teams can do that, I don't care) making them 16 teams, then we have at least 3 "super conferences" and the ACC could potentially raid the Big East for some teams to join in on the action. Let's quit d*cking around and do this already. We all know that's where it's going.

Ben Kliewer 3 years, 4 months ago

Clarification, the term "rivalry" in Kansas/Nebraska is used very loosely. It's more traditional than rivalry.

Kevin Crook 3 years, 4 months ago

I'd love a new conference. I'm sick of these douche bags like KSU. Time for a change. It's boring watching the same teams over and over.

Ben Kliewer 3 years, 4 months ago

Go to another conference without Kansas State? I don't know if I'd like that. Second to Mizzou, that's a great rivalry. Besides, then KSU fans would all just talk about how they would beat us if we played each other.

Hammertoe 3 years, 4 months ago

Or tired to losing to KSU!! 59-7 in the money sport last year.

Hammertoe 3 years, 4 months ago

13- 1 KSU over KU in all sports last year. KU needs to step in up in all sports to be considered a major college.

Pitthawk34 3 years, 4 months ago

So you actually believe that other conferences would rather have Kansas State rather than Kansas. When this all goes down all you Kansas State fans better hope other conferences are willing to take the sidekick that is kansas state. It is just about time to pucker up. Not saying KU will get an invite to a major conference but if you have any hope it will be following KU. Hate all you want now because it will be amusing to see you all pucker up when the clock strikes dawn.

Hammertoe 3 years, 4 months ago

Not my point. KU isn't as attractive as you think. Losing to midmajors in the NCAA tournament every year, getting killed in Football, finishing last in baseball and volleyball. KU and KSU could both be going to lower level conferences if A & M leaves the Big 12. That would be the worst situation for both schools and the state. Conferences aren't realigning for basketball...

Pitthawk34 3 years, 4 months ago

Losing to midmajors, yes anything is possible in college basketball but must I remind you of a NC just 3 years ago. Never said that KU was attractive just that we are a lot more attractive than Kansas state. So instead of coming here with your insults maybe you would worry about your own school and less about us.

Hammertoe 3 years, 4 months ago

Neither school is going to be attractive as Football is King. That's the future of college atheletics. If the Big 12 falls apart, KU may be playing Utah or Missouri State in conference play.

utahjayhawk 3 years, 4 months ago

You're completely out of touch if you think KSU has the pull nationally that KU does. In the end, KU is one of a handful historic programs in bball and that fact alone will result in an invite from at least one of the big boy conferences - bank on it.

BTW, an NC 3 years ago in hoops and an Orange Bowl title 4 years ago in your "money sport" is what's recognized nationally. Nobody outside of Salina knows or even less cares how KState did against KU last year, so drop that stupid schtick.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 4 months ago

A lot of between the lines stuff going on here.

This is a shot by CBS (SEC rights) to steal a major market from abc on Saturday's.

Espn may want the big12 to fail and UT to go independent so they could have the rights to every UT game.

Gene Stallings (SEC ties) is on the aTm board.

And so on...

2 things. It would be nice to hear something from our AD and the Kansas State Legislature cannot keep us tied to KSU. It's best for the state to have one school in the national spotlight making loads of cash than two schools in the MWC making nothing.

Pitthawk34 3 years, 4 months ago

The Kansas State Legislature will put up a fight when the cameras are rolling but when push comes to shove there if no way they would force either school to surrender not being in a BCS conference just because the other is not up to standards. There is one thing all kansans know is that you dont mess with Kansas Basketball and the KSL knows that fact.

Scott Smetana 3 years, 4 months ago

Best post on here. You are absolutely right about the money and TV rights. No one who makes the decisions cares about anything else.

Best case scenario: 1. Big 10 adds us 2. Big 12 survives and adds TCU 3. Pac 10 adds us.

anything else sucks.

Hammertoe 3 years, 4 months ago

A & M went 19-19 the last 4 years in football playing weak teams like Iowa State, Colorado and KU... They would be an average team at best in the SEC

Krohnutz 3 years, 4 months ago

If you want to feel better about KU's situation you should read this.

Since I called this scenario a year ago, let's update my further predictions from this point:

First off, A&M SHOULD leave the Big 12 for the SEC. That they even have to deliberate the move only makes me question their stupidity. Has UT planted turds in their decision makers?

Second, the Pac-16 spot that we "lost" to Utah has been reopened. "But Nutz, how?" you might be asking. Texas Tech and Baylor should be worried right now. They were "follow-ins" to UT joining the Pac-12. But UT isn't going to join anything, they are inevitably going independent now that their dream of a Schlonghorn Network has been realized. And any real conference is not about to allow them to set up their own lame recruiting channel. Baylor was already a "no go" with the Pac-16 idea before, Tech was only allowable because it was not religiously tied and UT had to bring along their cousin. The only question here is what do Oklahoma and Oklahoma State do? That might be what determines where KU heads.

And if the Pac-16 falls through? I wouldn't sweat it. We end up in the Big East and play in the premier basketball league in all the NCAA. How will that help us? Bill Self, an already strong recruiter, can now recruit from coast to coast, be in the biggest markets, and be featured on ESPN even more with key season matchups against Syracuse, UConn, Cincy, Louisville (Pitino back in Allen anybody?), etc.

And in football? Are you kidding me? We could COMPETE in that conference. No current member is ranked in the preseason top 25. To quote LeBron... "Not one. Not two. Three. Fo. Five..." Nada, zero. With TCU joining next year KU would be one of the only true Big East teams able to pull recruits out of both Texas and Florida.

My argument is not that the grass is greener, my argument is that the grass is ours to eat, instead of getting fed what others don't want. We cannot go wrong making a move, we can only go wrong by failing to move at all.

I said this last year and I'll say it again, KU should be making a move for their future.

Pitthawk34 3 years, 4 months ago

Agreed, I just dont have great faith in our new AD having those KSU ties. Seriously that question should be raised by these LJW writers.

djhawk75 3 years, 4 months ago

I agree w/ Krohnutz too on the whole. For now I'll give our AD the benefit of the doubt that he will work in KU's best interest and not K-State's interest.

David Atchley 3 years, 4 months ago

UT is ranked by Rivals as having the number 1 recruiting class for 2012, and this is without their as you say the Longhorn Network for their recruiting purposes. They finish in the top 5 yearly in recruiting, and cherry-pick from the 1700 schools what 25 recruits they want each year.

The occasional recruit escapes to Oklahoma, but they largely keep in-state, whoever they put their mind to offering as scholarship. They have only improved their recruiting with the addition of the West Coast high school connections Bryan Harsin has brought to them as their new co-OC, and Manny Diaz, Bo Davis, Stacy Searles and Benny Wylie all brought in from SEC schools. They now are heavily recruiting throughout the SEC and West Coast, in addition to the cream-of-the crop they get in Texas.

Again, all without the luxury of their own television network. Its about facilities, Heismans, National Championships, number of players drafted each year and how many times they play on national or regional telecasts.

Krohnutz 3 years, 4 months ago

Because this reply has so much to do with my original post.

But to field the rebuttal of UT's "dominance"

Of that 2012 class that they "cherry pick" from he United States... One kid of sixteen is from someplace other than Texas. The other lone kid is from Scottsdale, AZ. Hardly "invading" SEC territory.

Furthermore, the highest rated player from the state of Texas in the class of 2012 signed with... wait for it... Florida State.

It has to bug UT knowing they own the Big 12 front offices, yet Oklahoma owns the field. Seven to three is the final, cause the game is over.

When you talk about Heismans, Championships, and players drafted they still produce consistently less than their rival in their chosen sport.

Until I ready your reply I was unaware that Mack Brown surfed KUsports.com, say hello to G.W. at the ranch for me.

David Atchley 3 years, 4 months ago

A quick qualifier...the new coaching staff...hasn't yet unpacked in Austin, the national reach the new staff gives UT is beginning to percolate with Bo Davis and Stacy Searles contacts for lineman on both sides of the ball. Their traction, along with Bryan Harsin's won't be realized for another recruiting season. However, UT has seen more out-of-state kids at their camp this summer than ever before.

In the spirit of not letting the truth get in the way of a good story....Mario Edwards is going to Florida State as a legacy and his old man played there...That's been in the works for about 5 years.

As a result he never was on UT's radar. However in arguably the most heated battle for a high school recruit was for the top running back in the State, "Jonathan Gray" and he'll be joining the top running back in the State last year, "Malcolm Brown."

UT already has "18" of their 25 commitments locked-up going into these kids' senior year. Usually by this time, he has all 25, but had to take time-out to hire a new staff this off-season! So that is how I took the poetic license and referred to their recruiting efforts.

Hank Cross 3 years, 4 months ago

Krohnutz nails it just like he did last year at this time. Right on every point. There was Never a reason to panic last year. KU BB was always going to end up in a good spot. Even if it meant going to the MW. ESPN would show KU v. UNLV, BYU, Utah, etc just the same as it showed KU v. TT and OSU. Only the Chicken Littles panicked, which UT was counting on.

Hammertoe 3 years, 4 months ago

If the Big 12 breaks up, it would be a bad situation for both KU and KSU. We are small markets with little power ...for the big revenue TV sport of football. The population of the entire state of Kansas is 2.8 Million. Twice that many people in just Houston. The Big East might be okay for basketball, but would suck for every other sport. Imagine the volleyball team or baseball teams travel costs and travel problems. Turgeon left A & M as it's a football school that could care less about other sports. They couldn't sell out when he was winning in basketball. The bottom line is college sports is all about the almighty $$$$. Nothing good can come out of a Big 12 break up for KU and KSU.

JJHawq 3 years, 4 months ago

I think he's probably right. It sucks - but its true.

Hank Cross 3 years, 4 months ago

Hate to break this to you, but KSU and MU have absolutely 0 marketability outside the Midwest. Most of the people in the rest of the country couldn't tell the difference between Willie and Truman if you put a gun to their head. That's why MU's pipe dream of going to the B10 blew up in smoke. There was no way MU was going add at least $20 mil. of value to the B10 cable network (which would make it worthwhile to bring them in.) KSU has far less cache than that.

KU BB on the other hand is a nationally known brand that brings eyeballs to tv sets. KU BB fans famously travel well. We'll find a spot. If you're lucky we'll take you along. Otherwise you, ISU and TT can have fun in Conference USA.

Hammertoe 3 years, 4 months ago

Basketball yes, but Football no. Basketball is taking a back seat to Football due to the TV contracts. Think Nebraska would be heading to the Big 10 if not for Football? Missouri has twice the population of Kansas with only one Division I school. That many TV sets can bring in more ratings than Kansas or K-State combined. Missouri may have more more power and control over their own destiny than we think due to the population and 2 major markets. College Athletics is becoming a big business versus a "sport"... The TV ratings for basketball nationally are small compared to the tV ratings for Football.

Chris Bailey 3 years, 4 months ago

I agree with this statement! Everything else you've said not so much.

Krohnutz 3 years, 4 months ago

What I find completely HILARIOUS is how quiet ESPN has been on this. They are hoping to just bury their heads in the sand and it will go away.

Not even a blurb on the sports ticker bar.

Think about their non-stop coverage last year and all the "speculation" and garbage. And now nothing? A government official from that state makes a comment and nothing?

Right now the clicki on their NCAA FB tab has "Texas' Brown balancing network demands, job" as third tab, while the GOVERNOR of the damn state making a comment that A&M is maybe leaving is four spots below it.

Yeah, I'd be leaving.

LogicMan 3 years, 4 months ago

I hope this talk of A&M leaving proves empty. But if not, and the southern Big 12-2 teams split, then the Big 10+2 should step-up and take KU, KSU, MU, and ISU. Makes sense geographically and culturally, especially when we go back to riding the rails instead of jets. It would be big of our NU friends to go public with this idea.

Pitthawk34 3 years, 4 months ago

Yes geographically it would make sense but that is where the sense would stop. Nothing else about such move would benefit Big 10 in any way.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 4 months ago

Remember, if you are going to get paid 20 mill by the conference you better be bringing in 20 mill and only KU and MU can provide that opportunity for a conference.

David Atchley 3 years, 4 months ago

I just learned from a reliable source that SEC officials are meeting Saturday to discuss the addition of Texas A&M...I sure hope everyone has a chair when the music stops!

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 4 months ago

I've spent the last hour throwing up because I realized it's not the Kansas state legislatures ties to KSU that worry me...it's our AD's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oldalum 3 years, 4 months ago

He got degrees from both KU and K-State. I don't know why you should think he would throw KU under the bus to benefit K-State.

djhawk75 3 years, 4 months ago

I agree. He paid his dues to both schools but only one of those schools is paying him now. I believe that he will go with the school that is paying him.

clovis_sangrail 3 years, 4 months ago

I vvote that they send the Texas schools packing and resurrect the old Big 6.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 4 months ago

Hey Hammertoe, you're proving our point about KSU by posting on our site. I'm pretty sure a school without a decent website and message boards is not going to be a hot item come realignment time.

Chris Bailey 3 years, 4 months ago

Don't look now! You just said something positive about KU!

actorman 3 years, 4 months ago

And the fun never ends ...

Logically, the Big 10 would seem to be the best fit for KU. On the other hand, from a selfish standpoint I'd love to see them in the Pac-16, as I'd get to see them play more often.

In any case, it's sad that there's no stability. I really miss the days when every conference was set with the same teams for years.

David Atchley 3 years, 4 months ago

Latest word I am hearing is SEC Presidents are confirmed for meeting tomorrow to discuss A&M as an addition. August 22nd will be meeting for A&M BOR to vote. State of Texas lawmakers will be a formidable and possibly decisive hurdle for A&M. The "Permanent University Fund" is a $6B yes "billion" dollar fund that is oil and gas fields, production owned by the State of Texas.

This fund gets split among the schools and 1/3 of that amount is given to A&M. Those monies "may" be threatened by lawmakers to keep A&M from jumping to SEC. The other rumor is SEC wanting to make the first move at "super conference" supremacy and in addition to A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Virginia Tech are being courted. The issue isn't Texas showing high school football (again UT ranks by Rivals as number 1 in recruiting regardless of a network) the issue is the long-term influences that ESPN will have inluencing future games played and their continued innovation in programming and influence how powerful UT can become nationally.

What makes it most interesting is Oklahoma has been quiet amongst all the posturing and leveraging this week. Oklahoma has publicly said as long as the Big 12 can remain, even if its only 9 teams, they will hold their position. The Big 12(or 9) still gets an automatic BCS bid and now they don't have a conference championship game. Oklahoma perceives the path to a possible national championship is easier than ever before. "IF" it all becomes dismantled, UT Athletic Director Deloss Dodds indicated this week they may re-visit the Independent Conference with Notre Dame. Recall Notre Dame is who the Big 10 wanted and had to settle for Nebraska.

That will be one option and the other will be the PAC 10 where you have coupled Oregon/Oregon State, Washington/Washington State, Arizona/Arizona State, and it could easily add Texas/Texa Tech and Oklahoma/Oklahoma State. None of these are new concepts and have continued to be discussed since they were first made public a year ago. It's about to get very interesting and it can certainly move very fast beginning August 22nd. The music is going to loud, and when it stops, it will be interesting who has has found a chair.

rob4lb 3 years, 4 months ago

It more and more sounds like a done deal that A&M will leave. You would have to think that the SEC would want to add a 14th school. Then the dominos could fall. Interesting comments about the ties of our new AD to K-State. I would hope that he understands who is paying him and that this scenario was addressed during the interview process. Deloss Dodds is the UT AD and a K-State grad. He did not seem very loyal to K-State last year. Kevin Weiberg is a high level administrator of the Pac-12 and a K-State grad and when they were orchestrating the move to take 6 Big 12 schools last year, he did not seem loyal to K-State.

I have thought about this alot and I believe, KU's best option may be to pair with MU and convince the Pac-12 to bring them into their conference. I think as a package, both could bring in enough value to justify an invitation.

Kevin Crook 3 years, 4 months ago

Football success is all about proximity to players. KU will NEVER be consistently competitive in Big 12 football, or in any conference. The state of Kansas does not have enough good players to feed both KU and KSU, especially after so many of the good players we do have go out of state. We can be greatly improved year after year in this conference and never be much better than .500 consistently. Why beat our heads against the wall against vastly superior football programs? This conference is the pits. I'm not sure there is a conference where we COULD be competitive in football anyway (really any sport other than basketball unfortunately). The Big 12 is no great deal for us though. KSU has absolutely ZERO relevance in any sport. Yes they clobbered us in football last year, but so what? ISU is no better. We would be competitive in basketball in any conference.

David Atchley 3 years, 4 months ago

Interesting thoughts Rob....the problem is Kansas doesn't bring as much to the table as Missouri does. Again, its a TV market grab...its all being driven by the bidding wars between ABC/ESPN and CBS, FOX and the Notre Dame network, NBC.

Missouri is ultimately attractive to the Big 10 or SEC because of its proximity, and also because St. Louis is a larger TV market and Missouri can also bring some of the smaller Kansas City TV market. That's why ESPN has hitched their wagon to UT...Dallas and Houston are Top 10 Television Markets, and economic projections are both cities will become larger in the next 10 years.. San Antonio is approximately the same size TV market as Kansas City, so that's a third market for ESPN and UT.

Larry Scott, the PAC 12 Commissioner is building and grouping "regional tv markets" in his conference. That's why a Texas/Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State groupings made sense to them last year. The reason UT wasn't interested last year is because of the ESPN offer of $300M over the next 20 years for their own network and not a regional one in the PAC 12.

Hammertoe 3 years, 4 months ago

Well said... TV markets and Football are leading the way to conference realignment and neither KU or KSU have much power on either front...

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 4 months ago

What are you guys talking about? Ku gives a conference the KC market. Which last time I checked is top 30 and big enough to support two professional teams and is always considered for NHL or NBA relocation. We will land in a superconferenc. My guess is it will be in which ever one doesn't take Missouri.

David Atchley 3 years, 4 months ago

Its the same reason you haven't seen anything about this on ESPN. They win regardless of what A&M decides to do. ABC/ESPN, have the SEC rights, and if A&M leaves, it clears the runway for their $300M investment in the Longhorn Network. If you notice when the Yankees play, and the amount of coverage afforded them by ESPN, or its obvious which NASCAR races are being telecast by ESPN...because its the only time they mention NASCAR.

The same will hold true for the University of Texas. They will becomes NBC's equivalent of Notre Dame. You will see all things University of Texas when it comes to ESPN, outside of the SEC. The economical forecasts predict more growth for the State of Texas, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, will become larger and more influential television markets in the next 20 years, and ESPN is smart enough to act now. Its the same job and economic prosperity that has Rick Perry throwing his hat into the Presidential ring.

They simply have a rabid fan base, that puts seats in a 105,000 seat stadium, that combines to generate over $100M annually to the Athletic Department, and all reasons point to why ESPN hitched their wagon, building a TV Studio, and staffing permanent on-air reporters and in-studio host to Darryl K.Royal Memorial Stadium.

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