Cliff's Notes version: Bill Self and Turner Gill press conference, 6/15/2010

Here is the Cliff's Notes version of Kansas men's basketball coach Bill Self and KU football coach Turner Gill's comments at their press conference today.

Full audio has been posted.

KU men's basketball coach Bill Self

KU is better off than it's ever been. That's not a knock to the schools leaving. For basketball, this is the old Big Eight. This is the old ACC. Everybody plays everybody else twice. This will enhance recruiting and revenue. Teams will get into rivalries playing twice per year.

Self gets to sell to every kid in Texas that he is going home four times per year.

Texas has been a state that Self has dabbled in, but he says KU will have more of a presence down there now. Those kids will be more excited to play at KU, as they'll know they'll get to play near home more often.

Self likes that KU's schedule is tougher, because KU will be more hardened. If the Big 12 was the No. 1 in RPI last year, then the conference RPI strength went even higher with the new conference.

In basketball, you lose something with the shift to 10 teams, but look what you pick up. You play all the South teams twice per year. A lot of credit needs to go to the Big 12 commissioner. He has elevated himself in a positive way. The athletic directors that didn't panic also deserve credit. There's something to be said that there was an anchor and foundation that kept everyone together.

Self doesn't think the Big 12 is now the "Texas+9" conference. The decision-making power is not at the coach's level. All the coaches were hopeful that the Big 12 would stay intact. Self doesn't think people should be bitter over things that happened over what they can control. An offer was presented, and the schools chose to remain loyal to the Big 12. The end result speaks volumes. You can't blame schools for listening to offers.

The appearance was that the Big 12 was imploding, but the commissioner never changed his stance. Good leadership prevailed in the whole thing. If there are problems in the future, fans in the area should know that there is good leadership in the Big 12.

KU went through a period of time where they were duds. For a period of time, it was like, "What's going to happen next?" Self feels like that time is behind KU. He doesn't see those things being a problem in the future. This is a big momentum boost for KU.

Self believes the league can be even more competitive and, for KU, it will be much easier to have serious rivalries from teams outside the Big Eight area.

Self is most satisfied with win where you come back in the second half to win. This conference scenario is like that kind of win. It didn't look good for a long time, but the Big 12 pulled it off.

Self has always been told if you like your A.D., president and the people you work with, why would you want to leave? Self feels like that's what happened with the Big 12. At the end, there was no reason for those teams to move elsewhere.

KU basketball fans didn't circle Nebraska or Colorado on the calendar. That's not a knock on them. But KU could pick up more intense rivalries, for example, with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. From KU's standpoint, playing some of the South schools twice will enhance the rivalry.

KU football coach Turner Gill

Gill said the new conference couldn't have been drawn up any better for KU.

Losing Nebraska hurts national exposure, but other things with the change will help KU in the long term.

Gill has respect for all the teams that did what they had to do. Everyone has to look out for themselves.

The Big 12 is stronger today. By bringing up the negatives, some of the necessary issues were brought up.

Gill was excited and pleased when he heard the news that the Big 12 was staying together. He was pleased with the job the commissioner did. Gill learned the news while working camps and recruiting.

Even with all the turmoil, Gill had high-school kids commit to KU and had kids that wanted to be in Lawrence. There were a lot of good things going on during that time.

The Nebraska game this year won't be a big deal for Gill. KU will try its best to win that game and then move on.

Gill hasn't thought about the possibility of playing NU after it leaves the conference.



jhokfan 3 years, 10 months ago

I think a serious blow was dealt against the mega-conference concept but if ACC, Pac 10, SEC and Big 10 all eventually become 16 team conferences, at least one of them will extend an invitation to KU.


wrwlumpy 3 years, 10 months ago

Texas controlled the conference before all of this. Yes, TU has become wealthier, but every team in the league also just became wealthier, by a whole lot. KU will get better with Gill in football. I watched his Buffalo team come into Mizzou and take it to the top 5 ranked tigers with their "Chase" quaterback. KU might lose two more games each year in basketball but will probably still win every conference championship. I heard this morning on 810 that KU was 3rd in the conference in Televison money. This is because everyone in the country tunes in to see their team play the Jayhawks in BB. So what if we're better known for basketball. If this cr?p comes up again, we've learned that KU won't be left out in the cold. As Self said, "we've got a pretty good brand".


jhokfan 3 years, 10 months ago

I think NU will be fine but they will never return to their glory days. The more sophisticated style of offense is suited to warm weather climates and the best athletes in the country have been and will continue to gravitate to places like Florida, Texas, and California. I’m sure the Big 10 was a great conference back in the day when helmets were made of leather but they have fallen behind the curve and seem to be the only ones unaware of it. They may be the beneficiary of lucrative TV markets but their climate is a not conducive to winning football. The days of lining up 11 players to collide into each other are over. Look what the SEC has done to the once powerful Ohio State.


pigballin 3 years, 10 months ago

hey there ,,Nebraska is chiming in what a good deal for them..But it will change when the frozen tundra appears and all that snow and ice..BURRR..i suspect the fans will start to thing twice when their arse and car freeze up that it isn't such a great idea after all. harff harff.

Yeah those corn cob hats are sure goona look good in the Michigan stadium,,harff harff.


100 3 years, 10 months ago


You nailed it. The CU fans might be happy, but the administration and sports departments are freaking out.

To them the news was solid that UT and the rest were coming along and they took a moment to steal Baylor's spot.

All of this wouldve gone through smoothly (with Kansas not coming in the original plan) had A& M not dragged their feet.

This whole thing was a dome deal. Signed sealed and delivered.

Then when A&M continued dragging their feet KU was contacted (this is all from the OrangeBlood interviewer today), and KU was to be part of this Pac 16 and A & M was going to the SEC, the plan they were leaning towards to get away from UT anyway.

Then ESPN started freaking out, looking at existing basketball deals (yes believe it or not), and realized the Big 12 (all but the forgottten 4) were to be taken by the Pac 16 and FSW.

So ESPN/ABC and Fox made this all happen. They brought UT and A&M back to the table.

So now CU is left all alone without a 16 team conference.

Which sucks.

Now all of their sports have to take these epic trips to play these games, whereas with a 16 team division it's just an 8 team division with schools relatively close.

We are talking about epic travel expenses and unheard of time away from the classroom for a school that prides themselves in the classroom.

CU is sc'rwed. I'm glad their fans are happy though, CU is a class act.

It's too bad they got caught up in this.


iluvdbskxjayhawks 3 years, 10 months ago

Some people mentioned that NU will have problems recruiting. I don't see them having any problems with recruiting at all. Look at the Big 10 schools. They are doing great with their football teams.


jhokfan 3 years, 10 months ago

There is some history with CU and NU so I'm a little disappointed they're gone but I won't miss NU's fans who have been gaining ground on mizwho as the most classless in the conference. CU might be a better fit in the Pac 10 but they may have shot themselves in the foot. I'm pretty sure they bolted on the assumption that half the Big 12 was right behind them. NU won't be hurting financially but I don't see them becoming relevant in college football any time soon. Their recruiting will have to come from places like Ohio and Michigan where they are likely to get the leftovers. I suspect they will do well initially but over time will be dragged down to the level of competition just like Penn State did when they joined.


100 3 years, 10 months ago


I responded to you a few posts up about NU and their fanbase so I'll just add one more thing.

NU first of all just lost nine million bucks. And didn't gain much (if any) on a TV contract.

And have to travel twice as far. To cold places.

They wanted to play with the Big boys?

Well it looks like (if having three top dogs wasn't enough for them in the big 12), they will be split up into two conferences when the Big 10 finalizes it.

That means NU's strength of schedule goes way down.

Where KU finally (!!) again gets it's d rivalries back and boosts it's yearly strength of schedule (we get OU and UT every single year), NU will skip years of not playing Michigan or Ohio State, just like they used to do in the big 12 with the North-South breakup.

My only point is, slowly but surely, NU fans are starting to see a bit of the fools Gold they just took in their Robutism.

We at KU basically just got exactly what they wanted by not doing anything (Winnie the Pooh's philosophy).

They have no control over that expansion and we're in a ten team conference against rivals with a history!

And we basically make the same money for TV revenue!

And, oops, NU has to pay 9 million.

NU fans, if not all have, are starting to wake up -- they're not losers like CU, but for such a tradition packed school like Nebraska, what a mistake.


William Blake 3 years, 10 months ago

Colorado fits best back west. If any of you have been to Boulder, you know what I mean. Their mentality doesn't fit the Midwest... they make a good fit back west.

"The Nebraska game this year won't be a big deal for Gill. KU will try its best to win that game and then move on."

You've got to be kidding?! This game means everything. Gil vs his own school, Nebraska bailing out on the Big 12, ending our athletic relationship with a win, etc. But best to downplay it... why give Nebraska free motivation for the game?

It would be great to see Nebraska get smoked on their last year in the Big 12. All that history in the Big 12 (Big 8) goes up in smoke and Nebraska goes away with a bad taste in their mouth.

I give considerable credit to KU for hanging tough from day 1. I'm not so giving when it comes to Dan Beebe. I realize our coaches aren't going to challenge Beebe, but we can.

How did a power conference (Big 12) come inches from getting ripped apart?

We've needed better exposure for years. We've been frozen with the same mentality as the Big 8 days. Meanwhile, other conferences have negotiated and organized big expansions in the media world.


Hank Cross 3 years, 10 months ago

100-the point about ESPN bringing in KU to the P10 discussions cannot be emphasized enough. ESPN needs KU for the Second Game on Big Monday. Repeat: ESPN needs KU for the Second Game on Big Monday. Repeat:------


63Jayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Just a thought! How about renaming the Big 12 the Top 10?


Mike Kendall 3 years, 10 months ago

100--I like all of your posts, especially the one posted at 8:26 p.m. I had posted yesterday that I was wondering if CU and NU would regret moving to new conferences. That particular post really said it all and basically said exactly what I was thinking. Nice posts!

Okiedave---You mentioned that CU will eventually miss out on a big gate receipt when KU travels to Boulder. When I was going to bed, that thought crossed my mind. I was thinking, "what was the Buffaloes thinking?" What a dumb move on their part, and now, they will be paying for it--LOL.

By the way, I talked to a Nebraska fan whom I work with. She and her husband usually travel to two Husker road trips during a regular season. They're both pissed. Not going to happen when Nebraska becomes a member of the Big 10 (+2). Bummer!


100 3 years, 10 months ago

Colorado will be a good case study.

The Pac 16 would be fine for the two big sports if it's split up east to west.

But they're stuck in a 11 (probably 12 tomorrow) team conference.

And they're poor. And like to go to class (supposedly).


jhokfan 3 years, 10 months ago

The bigger picture is, will this conference be stable enough for the future. A lot of outsiders intervened to keep the Big 12 from collapsing. Will they do the same if and when the Big 10, SEC, Pac 10 and ACC try to expand to 16 sometime in the future. I'm cautiously optimistic that the mega-conference concept has been dealt a severe blow. If not, we may have to go through this again. It would be nice if the NCAA would place a cap on conferences. No more than 12


100 3 years, 10 months ago

One more point::::::

We must all get behind Gill and big.

The man knows about championships.

The man knows about speed.

The man knows about leadership.

The man knows about character.

This is the perfect storm for KU football.


(start some ideas Lew, fun ones, the fans have gotta stay, the TV time is HUGE)


HawkfromHays 3 years, 10 months ago

I hope the AD Admins. learned s very important lesson in all of this, and that is: FOOTBALL IS IMPORTANT! This will almost certainly not be the last time the conference is threatened, and we need a good football team to be attractive to other conferences. This means we need to spend the money on coaches, facilities, and more seats in Memorial Stadium. Our own TV network wouldn't be a bad idea either.

For too long I watched KU's AD turn a blind eye to a terrible football program. If we want to survive the next time around we need to be a consistent winner and compete with OU and UT.


okiedave 3 years, 10 months ago

100 - well said. CU fans are starting to wonder how they are going to fill their basketball arena without Kansas and Kansas State and Nebraska. Also wondering who is going to travel for 2 days to come and watch their PAC 10 team play in Boulder. On the up side, tickets are going to get very cheap in Boulder.


100 3 years, 10 months ago

Intel, Excellent points.

Plus it's all about speed in football.

Gill is bringing it in.

Speed wins championships. I

"t's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy & Joes".

And we as fans have got to load the stadium and stay and if it's on TV, buy the Gatorade they're selling, it's only 25 cents more.


jaybate 3 years, 10 months ago

"Some Lingering Questions After the Tempest of Realignment"

Does a ten-team conference generate as much shared revenue as a 12-team conference, especially with Texas-Austin getting its own TV network, or are all the B12 minus 2 teams going to be making less this season?

Will Nebraska's W&L statements in football and basketball be a little better, or a lot better, because it will play lesser competition in the Big Ten?

Does the recent storm of controversy prove that Bill Self does not wear a rug, because it did not blow off?

Is it more, or less, likely in a ten-team conference that women will attend games topless?

Will the Big 12 minus 2 and Pac Eleven still have their basketball tournament this coming pre-conference season, or will the conferences simply launch theater ballistic missles at each other?

Will Don Beebe finally announce that he is the illegitimate son of the late Texas football coach Darrel Royal and Texas alum Jayne Mansfield?

Since KU is 850 feet above sea level and often had trouble with the altitude in Boulder (5,430 feet above sea level), will UCLA, which is at 223 feet above sea level, have four times the problem with the altitude in Boulder?

Is it true that certain KU alums plan to buy the Dark Horse in Boulder and have it moved to Lawrence, Kansas, as a result of Colorado leaving for the Pac Eleven?

Is NU the first university from a unicameral state to join the Big Ten?

Will Doc Sadler be fired by Dr. Tom Osborne before,or after, NU's first season in the Big Ten?

Is there any truth to the rumor that Dr. Tom Osborne will use the increased revenues from Big Ten membership to clone a frozen skin cell from the late Bob Devaney in hopes of creating a coach that can finally put Nebraska back on the football map?

Kansans, because they are next door neighbors to Nebraskans, have had to spend nearly a century learning to understand Nebraska football fans primitive speech patterns: is there any state and school in the Big Ten that will have a clue how to understand Nebraskans' largely one syllable utterances?

Does Nebraska leaving the Big 12 minus 2 mean KU can start wearing crimson jersies and white pants and call itself Big Red?

With a conference alliance including Nebraska, Iowa, and Illinois, can increased corn subsidies be far away?

(Note: Entirely fiction. No malice.)


Randy Bombardier 3 years, 10 months ago

Sorry, Brock, don't agree. We do well enough with what we have, are getting better. Can anyone say it was our talent that caused a 7-game skid last year? No, it was what I have been saying since Bill Young left. Get a good, seasoned D Coach. We went through two years with a great offense and poor defense. That hurts. What could have been. Fresh off an Orange Bowl victory and we promote from within????? How stupid that was. We should have gotten a D genius right then and who knows how we would have done over the last two years. Makes me sick. We were so close to going to the next level. Coach M blew that one and tried to do it all himself, created too much pressure and it all blew up. Synder proved you can indeed win Big 12 Titles with highly-developed two and three-star recruits. Way too much hype on those ratings anyway. Boise getting 4-stars? Don't think so. Cincinatti? How about TCU? I could go on. KU was rated as high as No. 2 in 2007...was that because we had all those 4-stars. Please stop telling our players they are not good enough and that is exactly what people are doing when they keep harping on it.


100 3 years, 10 months ago


However that's money that wouldn't have existed anyway, really to us had UT and all took off (because either wouldve joined the Pac 10 and paid the 9 million too, which Orangeblood interview indicated wouldve been the case, or if playing the stubborn hitched to KSU way, we along with the other left behinders wouldve taken the lump chunk from the six or so schools and gone on with a tiny to none TV deal in the mountain or as an Independent).

This new Big 12 TV deal that's been worked out doesn't get put together without OU, A&M and UT (really UT), so just be glad that UT didn't try to grab all 18 mill of it and they split it.6 million split over 3 years is the same as a good marketing campaign. It's really not all that big of a deal. 18 million to one University is. The most anybody got from NU and CU is 6 mill. And that will come in a very spread out payout.

It gives the lesser football schools something to get ticked about but that's 6 million per school realistically coming to them over the next 3 years when the other schools can afford it (and lawsuits from CU and withholdings which will take place over the next year from for sure).


kltbadboyz 3 years, 10 months ago

Darrian Miller who de committed from Kansas is rated the 10th best rb and 77th best player overall in the class of 2011 now. Hopefully coach can recruit some more offensive line and get Miller to recommit along with his teammate Bernard Thomas. The recruiting class will get alot better soon hopefully.


Robert Brock 3 years, 10 months ago

If KU wants to survive in the Big Whozit Conference in football, eventually KU will need to get better football recruits than just Texas leftovers. Gotta get commitments from the good kids in the KC area...and if the Hawks must recruit in Texas, then someday KU needs to beat UT or OU (or OSU or aTm) for a good prospect. As it stands now, KU manages to win over prospects who are looking at Tulsa, Navy, or Louisiana Tech. We must do better.


100 3 years, 10 months ago

Out in LA for a couple more days.... Here's the news out here:

PAC 10 commish looks like a big doodoo head.

Their local sports radio has reported CU is basically scr'wed, moneywise. They have to pay 9 million they don't have and still have a 3 mill buyout on their last coach. And to top it off they tried to steal Baylor's spot, thinking Texas and all were for sure in on it which meant a huge Pac 16 TV deal. Now how duh... (sorry der boys, duh, was lost in thought, duh....) now how dem, dum, are dem smart CU boyzas gonna afford all dat der travel time, and wat bout dat der gals soccer team, ya hear, y'all??

Nebraska fans meanwhile are ticked (!!!) they missed out on this monumental $$$$ Big 12 deal and will have to travel into the bitter cold 2,000 miles away to play teams they've never heard of before. Not to mention NU has to pay out 9 million too (part of it will be in withholding penalties during the 2010 football season).

Last of all, report from LA ESPN radio (guy was interviewing Chip Brown from Orangeblood) is that KU had been approached and would have taken the Pac 10 offer had UT not been brought back in thanks to ESPN.

What a wild couple weeks it's been and thank God we're not in Colorado or Nebraska's shoes...

And Coach Self and Gill hit the nail on the head, excellent leadership here...

Oh did I mention we just got rich!!! (SEC schools want to join the Big 12 now, too late boys, the water is just right... At least until zzzzzz..2016)


SoCalAlum 3 years, 10 months ago

And if you didn't already have a reason to despise Mizzou:

From John Hanna, AP 6-15-10

"The Big 12 expects Colorado and Nebraska to pay millions of dollars in penalties for leaving, and the money normally would be split among the remaining conference members.

But the two Kansas schools, Missouri, Iowa State and Baylor agreed to forgo their payments, with their shares split among Texas, Texas A&M University and Oklahoma.

Big 12 officials didn’t have figures for how much the five schools would give up, and late Tuesday, Missouri officials said they hadn’t agreed to give up their share."


Bear86 3 years, 10 months ago

Hope we see Coach Gill comment (or better yet make an impact on the field) more on the state of the Football team. It became evident that our might B-Ball program is second fiddle to mediocre Football programs (CU, T-Tech, aTm, OSU) like Kansas. Time to start winning consistently (Bowl Game's every year w/BCS game every 3-5 yrs). Make it happen coach Gill. The Alums and the Students are behind you 100% ! Rock Chalk!


Kevin Studer 3 years, 10 months ago

Ahhh, Coach Self, saying what we are all thinking: when it comes to basketball, the conference just booted its worst two programs.


billhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

We've got some great coaches. I wasn't in favor of Gill's hiring, but he seems to be doing as well on the recruiting trail as can be expected. I'm looking forward to getting our football team competitive in the new Big 12-2.


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