Cliff's Notes version: Bill Self and Turner Gill press conference, 6/15/2010


Here is the Cliff's Notes version of Kansas men's basketball coach Bill Self and KU football coach Turner Gill's comments at their press conference today.

Full audio has been posted.

KU men's basketball coach Bill Self

KU is better off than it's ever been. That's not a knock to the schools leaving. For basketball, this is the old Big Eight. This is the old ACC. Everybody plays everybody else twice. This will enhance recruiting and revenue. Teams will get into rivalries playing twice per year.

Self gets to sell to every kid in Texas that he is going home four times per year.

Texas has been a state that Self has dabbled in, but he says KU will have more of a presence down there now. Those kids will be more excited to play at KU, as they'll know they'll get to play near home more often.

Self likes that KU's schedule is tougher, because KU will be more hardened. If the Big 12 was the No. 1 in RPI last year, then the conference RPI strength went even higher with the new conference.

In basketball, you lose something with the shift to 10 teams, but look what you pick up. You play all the South teams twice per year. A lot of credit needs to go to the Big 12 commissioner. He has elevated himself in a positive way. The athletic directors that didn't panic also deserve credit. There's something to be said that there was an anchor and foundation that kept everyone together.

Self doesn't think the Big 12 is now the "Texas+9" conference. The decision-making power is not at the coach's level. All the coaches were hopeful that the Big 12 would stay intact. Self doesn't think people should be bitter over things that happened over what they can control. An offer was presented, and the schools chose to remain loyal to the Big 12. The end result speaks volumes. You can't blame schools for listening to offers.

The appearance was that the Big 12 was imploding, but the commissioner never changed his stance. Good leadership prevailed in the whole thing. If there are problems in the future, fans in the area should know that there is good leadership in the Big 12.

KU went through a period of time where they were duds. For a period of time, it was like, "What's going to happen next?" Self feels like that time is behind KU. He doesn't see those things being a problem in the future. This is a big momentum boost for KU.

Self believes the league can be even more competitive and, for KU, it will be much easier to have serious rivalries from teams outside the Big Eight area.

Self is most satisfied with win where you come back in the second half to win. This conference scenario is like that kind of win. It didn't look good for a long time, but the Big 12 pulled it off.

Self has always been told if you like your A.D., president and the people you work with, why would you want to leave? Self feels like that's what happened with the Big 12. At the end, there was no reason for those teams to move elsewhere.

KU basketball fans didn't circle Nebraska or Colorado on the calendar. That's not a knock on them. But KU could pick up more intense rivalries, for example, with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. From KU's standpoint, playing some of the South schools twice will enhance the rivalry.

KU football coach Turner Gill

Gill said the new conference couldn't have been drawn up any better for KU.

Losing Nebraska hurts national exposure, but other things with the change will help KU in the long term.

Gill has respect for all the teams that did what they had to do. Everyone has to look out for themselves.

The Big 12 is stronger today. By bringing up the negatives, some of the necessary issues were brought up.

Gill was excited and pleased when he heard the news that the Big 12 was staying together. He was pleased with the job the commissioner did. Gill learned the news while working camps and recruiting.

Even with all the turmoil, Gill had high-school kids commit to KU and had kids that wanted to be in Lawrence. There were a lot of good things going on during that time.

The Nebraska game this year won't be a big deal for Gill. KU will try its best to win that game and then move on.

Gill hasn't thought about the possibility of playing NU after it leaves the conference.


Karen Mansfield-Stewart 7 years, 11 months ago

We've got some great coaches. I wasn't in favor of Gill's hiring, but he seems to be doing as well on the recruiting trail as can be expected. I'm looking forward to getting our football team competitive in the new Big 12-2.

Andy Tweedy 7 years, 11 months ago

Gill is getting solid kids on the books early, and hopefully will get even more highly regarded recruits on the books late. I agree as well!!!

Dirk Medema 7 years, 11 months ago

This will be the best recruiting year ever! There is no reason to believe that the coaching won't be at leeast as good as we have had in the recent past. The enthusiasm of the players will be off the hook greater than in the past tho. Not having to play TU & OU this year should help in the win column, and that really will be all that matters. A few favorable outcomes, excitment on the sidelines, and Darrian Miller & friends will be lining up to sign with Gill and Co.

HawkInAL 7 years, 11 months ago

Yeah soobawls, still waiting on your answer to who you would have picked instead of Turner Gill... So quick to be critical of his hiring being a "knee-jerk conformist" blah-blah-blah, but so slow to reveal who you would have deemed worthy. Just waiting on a name...

lv_jhwk 7 years, 11 months ago

dagger: unless I missed something (I admit I've been a bit distracted with other news the past few days), didn't Miller decommit?

DevilHawk 7 years, 11 months ago

Yes and no.

As he started to get recruited by non-local programs, he decided that he would listen to what other schools had to offer.

Basically, he decided that he had committed too early in the process.

However, as far as I know, KU is still very much on his list.

Kevin Studer 7 years, 11 months ago

Ahhh, Coach Self, saying what we are all thinking: when it comes to basketball, the conference just booted its worst two programs.

Bear86 7 years, 11 months ago

Hope we see Coach Gill comment (or better yet make an impact on the field) more on the state of the Football team. It became evident that our might B-Ball program is second fiddle to mediocre Football programs (CU, T-Tech, aTm, OSU) like Kansas. Time to start winning consistently (Bowl Game's every year w/BCS game every 3-5 yrs). Make it happen coach Gill. The Alums and the Students are behind you 100% ! Rock Chalk!

SoCalAlum 7 years, 11 months ago

And if you didn't already have a reason to despise Mizzou:

From John Hanna, AP 6-15-10

"The Big 12 expects Colorado and Nebraska to pay millions of dollars in penalties for leaving, and the money normally would be split among the remaining conference members.

But the two Kansas schools, Missouri, Iowa State and Baylor agreed to forgo their payments, with their shares split among Texas, Texas A&M University and Oklahoma.

Big 12 officials didn’t have figures for how much the five schools would give up, and late Tuesday, Missouri officials said they hadn’t agreed to give up their share."

hawksince51 7 years, 11 months ago

Let's have Boone Pickens give MU a call and get this fixed.

100 7 years, 11 months ago

Out in LA for a couple more days.... Here's the news out here:

PAC 10 commish looks like a big doodoo head.

Their local sports radio has reported CU is basically scr'wed, moneywise. They have to pay 9 million they don't have and still have a 3 mill buyout on their last coach. And to top it off they tried to steal Baylor's spot, thinking Texas and all were for sure in on it which meant a huge Pac 16 TV deal. Now how duh... (sorry der boys, duh, was lost in thought, duh....) now how dem, dum, are dem smart CU boyzas gonna afford all dat der travel time, and wat bout dat der gals soccer team, ya hear, y'all??

Nebraska fans meanwhile are ticked (!!!) they missed out on this monumental $$$$ Big 12 deal and will have to travel into the bitter cold 2,000 miles away to play teams they've never heard of before. Not to mention NU has to pay out 9 million too (part of it will be in withholding penalties during the 2010 football season).

Last of all, report from LA ESPN radio (guy was interviewing Chip Brown from Orangeblood) is that KU had been approached and would have taken the Pac 10 offer had UT not been brought back in thanks to ESPN.

What a wild couple weeks it's been and thank God we're not in Colorado or Nebraska's shoes...

And Coach Self and Gill hit the nail on the head, excellent leadership here...

Oh did I mention we just got rich!!! (SEC schools want to join the Big 12 now, too late boys, the water is just right... At least until zzzzzz..2016)

Andy Tweedy 7 years, 11 months ago

I have heard similar things about CU, but I live in Omaha and Husker fans are most definitely NOT upset about their move. They HATE Texas for what they perceive as a dictatorship known as the Big XII. Either way, I agree we ended up in a good place. The PAC 10 would have been brutal in football.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

From reading Husker fans' blogs, they are definitely happy about their move. They kept on complaining about Texas so it is their best interest to move on. Doesn't CU still get paid money for coming in Pac-10? They should have some money coming to them and they can use that money to pay Big 12.

Hank Cross 7 years, 11 months ago

I live in SoCal and probably heard the same thing on AM570. The view is that the tennis guy got left holding the CU/UU bag and got used by Dodds for leverage against the Forgotten 5.

Bill Skeet 7 years, 11 months ago

Let's be clear about who got rich... Texas just got rich.

UT gets at least $20m, plus their share of the penalties from OU and NU, plus the revenues from their own Network. Which, I'm still waiting to hear someone explain how that network would not cannibalize the revenues from the conference. (If they UT plays football, does it really generate two revenue streams? One for their network and one for the conference? And do they get really get paid twice?)

And TexA&M and OU seem to come out pretty well. Not so sure anyone else really got rich. We'll see how it plays out. No FB conf. championship = loss of $$$. What I saw is that the other schools get $14-17m. A widening disparity between the schools will ultimately threaten to tear the conference apart... again.

Needless to say, I'm not convinced. Of course, I haven't seen the details, but from the outside, this seems like a house of mirrors where everyone is seeing things fat right now. The union of universities still seems fragile to me despite all the nice things the coaches said.

The University of Kansas would be negligent not to actively consider and evaluate its position within the conference and with regard to other conferences going forward. Any responsible university will do the same. And that is probably not an activity that was given such priority 12 months ago.

The conference may have stabilized for the moment, but the landscape of college conferences is now officially a seismically active zone for the foreseeable future.

Bear86 7 years, 11 months ago

This is not a good thing for KU Football. If Tx or Ou want more $$ than they should not be part of a conference. The Big 10 & SEC divide revenue shares equally. That is what a conference is all about. I don't blame Nebraska for leaving. Texas holds all the cards in this conference. Yes we are their bitch.

Robert Brock 7 years, 11 months ago

If KU wants to survive in the Big Whozit Conference in football, eventually KU will need to get better football recruits than just Texas leftovers. Gotta get commitments from the good kids in the KC area...and if the Hawks must recruit in Texas, then someday KU needs to beat UT or OU (or OSU or aTm) for a good prospect. As it stands now, KU manages to win over prospects who are looking at Tulsa, Navy, or Louisiana Tech. We must do better.

DevilHawk 7 years, 11 months ago

So far these are the early commits. Recruiting just became a lot easier because we play all the Texas and Oklahoma schools.

Also, many four- and five-star recruits wait until much later in the recruitment process to accept an offer - and decide on a school after after they have taken a good look at all of their offers.

kltbadboyz 7 years, 11 months ago

Darrian Miller who de committed from Kansas is rated the 10th best rb and 77th best player overall in the class of 2011 now. Hopefully coach can recruit some more offensive line and get Miller to recommit along with his teammate Bernard Thomas. The recruiting class will get alot better soon hopefully.

100 7 years, 11 months ago


However that's money that wouldn't have existed anyway, really to us had UT and all took off (because either wouldve joined the Pac 10 and paid the 9 million too, which Orangeblood interview indicated wouldve been the case, or if playing the stubborn hitched to KSU way, we along with the other left behinders wouldve taken the lump chunk from the six or so schools and gone on with a tiny to none TV deal in the mountain or as an Independent).

This new Big 12 TV deal that's been worked out doesn't get put together without OU, A&M and UT (really UT), so just be glad that UT didn't try to grab all 18 mill of it and they split it.6 million split over 3 years is the same as a good marketing campaign. It's really not all that big of a deal. 18 million to one University is. The most anybody got from NU and CU is 6 mill. And that will come in a very spread out payout.

It gives the lesser football schools something to get ticked about but that's 6 million per school realistically coming to them over the next 3 years when the other schools can afford it (and lawsuits from CU and withholdings which will take place over the next year from for sure).

Randy Bombardier 7 years, 11 months ago

Sorry, Brock, don't agree. We do well enough with what we have, are getting better. Can anyone say it was our talent that caused a 7-game skid last year? No, it was what I have been saying since Bill Young left. Get a good, seasoned D Coach. We went through two years with a great offense and poor defense. That hurts. What could have been. Fresh off an Orange Bowl victory and we promote from within????? How stupid that was. We should have gotten a D genius right then and who knows how we would have done over the last two years. Makes me sick. We were so close to going to the next level. Coach M blew that one and tried to do it all himself, created too much pressure and it all blew up. Synder proved you can indeed win Big 12 Titles with highly-developed two and three-star recruits. Way too much hype on those ratings anyway. Boise getting 4-stars? Don't think so. Cincinatti? How about TCU? I could go on. KU was rated as high as No. 2 in 2007...was that because we had all those 4-stars. Please stop telling our players they are not good enough and that is exactly what people are doing when they keep harping on it.

TheShot122293 7 years, 11 months ago

Well put, inteldesign. I agree completely. We'll beat Texas and OU, Brock; it's only a matter of time. I hope it's not the same amount of time it took to beat Nebraska, but I really don't think it will be.

DevilHawk 7 years, 11 months ago

The skid was because of bad defense. However, I also think that Reesing threw some of those games specifically to get Mangino fired. Too many passes last season were clean interceptions and well off-target.

Scott Smetana 7 years, 11 months ago

Couldn't agree more. The Pac10 used them as a pawn to break up the Big12. I think the Pac10 got screwed too. NOBODY in the Denver area watches CU football and they can't even give away their basketball tickets. The only good thing about them in the Big 12 is fun weekend trips there when KU played.

On the other hand, I have to disagree with Nebraska getting screwed. The Big 10 is a pretty sweet football league. They'll be fine, but continue to be overrated like the past 10 years.

100 7 years, 11 months ago

Pikes, I guess I misrepresented what I said about NU. This was just reporting from the LA sports radios today, but the interviewers were curious if NU and CU could come back if they wanted to (like MU did, ha ha).

The answer of course was no, which got then talking about the losers. They didn't call NU a loser, but they did say that fans were agitated that such a nice TV deal got worked out after they took off (it made some fans according to them wonder why NU took off).

Let's face it, the Bug 12 had UT, OU, and NU as the staples with some other pretty solid schools. NU left for one reason -- finacial stability.

The point on the radio was that the NU fans celebrated until they saw the Big 12 sort itself out. Now they say NU fans have to face thecreality of no rivals (at all, zero), cold temperatures and trips to cities thousands of miles away.

In the end they didn't call NU a loser like they called CU and the Pac 10. But they did say certainly NU would not have left had they seen this deal coming, especially considering they'd make more in the Big 12 and they now have no rivalries, a problem to this day Arkansas has after leaving the SWC.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

What station was this on? Thanks for sharing! Well, NU is going to have some new rivals now in their new conference. I hope they suffer, but I still think they are going to do well since their program is pretty stable. Does it snow in Austin?

lv_jhwk 7 years, 11 months ago

The one thing to remember about the tv deal is that it wouldn't have happened if Nebraska was still in the conference. Only once they had left, CU was gone, and the Big 12 South about to jump ship did the networks step in to save their own investments. So, in a way, the current Big 12 schools have Nebraska to thank for the new monetary windfall.

jaybate 7 years, 11 months ago

"Some Lingering Questions After the Tempest of Realignment"

Does a ten-team conference generate as much shared revenue as a 12-team conference, especially with Texas-Austin getting its own TV network, or are all the B12 minus 2 teams going to be making less this season?

Will Nebraska's W&L statements in football and basketball be a little better, or a lot better, because it will play lesser competition in the Big Ten?

Does the recent storm of controversy prove that Bill Self does not wear a rug, because it did not blow off?

Is it more, or less, likely in a ten-team conference that women will attend games topless?

Will the Big 12 minus 2 and Pac Eleven still have their basketball tournament this coming pre-conference season, or will the conferences simply launch theater ballistic missles at each other?

Will Don Beebe finally announce that he is the illegitimate son of the late Texas football coach Darrel Royal and Texas alum Jayne Mansfield?

Since KU is 850 feet above sea level and often had trouble with the altitude in Boulder (5,430 feet above sea level), will UCLA, which is at 223 feet above sea level, have four times the problem with the altitude in Boulder?

Is it true that certain KU alums plan to buy the Dark Horse in Boulder and have it moved to Lawrence, Kansas, as a result of Colorado leaving for the Pac Eleven?

Is NU the first university from a unicameral state to join the Big Ten?

Will Doc Sadler be fired by Dr. Tom Osborne before,or after, NU's first season in the Big Ten?

Is there any truth to the rumor that Dr. Tom Osborne will use the increased revenues from Big Ten membership to clone a frozen skin cell from the late Bob Devaney in hopes of creating a coach that can finally put Nebraska back on the football map?

Kansans, because they are next door neighbors to Nebraskans, have had to spend nearly a century learning to understand Nebraska football fans primitive speech patterns: is there any state and school in the Big Ten that will have a clue how to understand Nebraskans' largely one syllable utterances?

Does Nebraska leaving the Big 12 minus 2 mean KU can start wearing crimson jersies and white pants and call itself Big Red?

With a conference alliance including Nebraska, Iowa, and Illinois, can increased corn subsidies be far away?

(Note: Entirely fiction. No malice.)

escaped_labrat 7 years, 11 months ago

Interesting...... Will the traveling Nebraska horde find out that Big 10 fans aren't as hospitable as some of the fans at venues that have been playing them for years? (oooops, new kid on the block, let's see what he's got)

100 7 years, 11 months ago

Intel, Excellent points.

Plus it's all about speed in football.

Gill is bringing it in.

Speed wins championships. I

"t's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy & Joes".

And we as fans have got to load the stadium and stay and if it's on TV, buy the Gatorade they're selling, it's only 25 cents more.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

I support that! We need to sell all the football tickets so KU can have the money to invest in the football program. I hope everyone knows how important football is now. when the contract expires again, I don't want us to be left behind.

okiedave 7 years, 11 months ago

100 - well said. CU fans are starting to wonder how they are going to fill their basketball arena without Kansas and Kansas State and Nebraska. Also wondering who is going to travel for 2 days to come and watch their PAC 10 team play in Boulder. On the up side, tickets are going to get very cheap in Boulder.

Scott Smetana 7 years, 11 months ago

They were already $5 last season.. no joke. The only way the sold a few tickets was to force us KU fans into buying 5 other games besides the KU game. Good luck now.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

Everything you said is correct! Does the KU officials know this now? I hope so. I hope they don't think that the basketball program is going to save us. Football rules the $$$.

jhokfan 7 years, 11 months ago

The bigger picture is, will this conference be stable enough for the future. A lot of outsiders intervened to keep the Big 12 from collapsing. Will they do the same if and when the Big 10, SEC, Pac 10 and ACC try to expand to 16 sometime in the future. I'm cautiously optimistic that the mega-conference concept has been dealt a severe blow. If not, we may have to go through this again. It would be nice if the NCAA would place a cap on conferences. No more than 12

100 7 years, 11 months ago

One more point::::::

We must all get behind Gill and big.

The man knows about championships.

The man knows about speed.

The man knows about leadership.

The man knows about character.

This is the perfect storm for KU football.


(start some ideas Lew, fun ones, the fans have gotta stay, the TV time is HUGE)

100 7 years, 11 months ago

Colorado will be a good case study.

The Pac 16 would be fine for the two big sports if it's split up east to west.

But they're stuck in a 11 (probably 12 tomorrow) team conference.

And they're poor. And like to go to class (supposedly).

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

How are Pac 10 poor? They got USC, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona, etc.. Those schools has some money.

100 7 years, 11 months ago

CU is suddenly poor, bro. 3 million dollar buyout of coach. Nine million to leave conference. Struggling football and hoops ticket sales.

As for Pac 10, they historically have had nice schools (still do). But they're TV contract (and attention nationally) isn't all that.

Collin Cowheard (who is from Pac 10 country) says it best. "Fair weather fans and even then the husbands forget to bring the sunscreen and you have to listen to the wives and bratty kids complain all first half until you get 'em some in the restroom line and then after wetting your pants you just want to get on I-5 and beat the traffic."

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

I see. Hopefully, Pac 10 can pay them 12 million to break even then. When I visited the Buff's blogs nobody really mentioned this. I guess they are so happy that this is blinding them from seeing reality. I can't help but to visit other schools' blogs to see what they are thinking. It's very interesting and bias.

Mike Kendall 7 years, 11 months ago

100--I like all of your posts, especially the one posted at 8:26 p.m. I had posted yesterday that I was wondering if CU and NU would regret moving to new conferences. That particular post really said it all and basically said exactly what I was thinking. Nice posts!

Okiedave---You mentioned that CU will eventually miss out on a big gate receipt when KU travels to Boulder. When I was going to bed, that thought crossed my mind. I was thinking, "what was the Buffaloes thinking?" What a dumb move on their part, and now, they will be paying for it--LOL.

By the way, I talked to a Nebraska fan whom I work with. She and her husband usually travel to two Husker road trips during a regular season. They're both pissed. Not going to happen when Nebraska becomes a member of the Big 10 (+2). Bummer!

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

Thanks for sharing! How far is the closest Big 10 team to Nebraska?

63Jayhawk 7 years, 11 months ago

Just a thought! How about renaming the Big 12 the Top 10?

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

Thanks! I didn't realize that there were so many people up north.

Hank Cross 7 years, 11 months ago

100-the point about ESPN bringing in KU to the P10 discussions cannot be emphasized enough. ESPN needs KU for the Second Game on Big Monday. Repeat: ESPN needs KU for the Second Game on Big Monday. Repeat:------

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, I was reading the Buff's blogs and they are pretty happy about leaving Big 12 for the Pac-10. Pac-10 fans came onto their blogs and welcomed them to their conference. They said they're fine with traveling around west to play the games. Also, the Buff fans aren't worried about filling their seats up. They keep on calling us the Forgotten 5. I hope this nickname doesn't stick because it's a little embarrassing. I really hope us 5 schools will improve in the future so we won't be laughed at again.

100 7 years, 11 months ago

According to the Orangeblood author in his interview it was really the forgotten four.

He explained that KU had been contacted by the Pac 10 and was going to join UT, OU, TT and OSU.

So without Beebe and ESPN, today we would have been part of the Pac 16, which would have made some sense considering there wouldve been a West bracket and an East bracket.

The forgotten list according to Orangeblood was:

  1. Baylor
  2. ISU
  3. KSU
  4. MU

MU he had some choice words for considering how all this went down.

Anyhow, just for the sake of clarity, KU was not part of the Orangeblood forgotten four, in fact we were going with UT.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

Thanks for sharing and pointing that out, but the only reason why we got invited because Texas A&M didn't want to come so KU was just a backup school for them. Anyhow, I'm still glad we got invited. I'm even more happier that Big 12-2 is sticking together even though Texas is dictating everything. I gotta tell my dad to rethink about retiring to Texas now. Just kidding, the climate down there is pretty warm so it's the best for retirees.

100 7 years, 11 months ago


I responded to you a few posts up about NU and their fanbase so I'll just add one more thing.

NU first of all just lost nine million bucks. And didn't gain much (if any) on a TV contract.

And have to travel twice as far. To cold places.

They wanted to play with the Big boys?

Well it looks like (if having three top dogs wasn't enough for them in the big 12), they will be split up into two conferences when the Big 10 finalizes it.

That means NU's strength of schedule goes way down.

Where KU finally (!!) again gets it's d rivalries back and boosts it's yearly strength of schedule (we get OU and UT every single year), NU will skip years of not playing Michigan or Ohio State, just like they used to do in the big 12 with the North-South breakup.

My only point is, slowly but surely, NU fans are starting to see a bit of the fools Gold they just took in their Robutism.

We at KU basically just got exactly what they wanted by not doing anything (Winnie the Pooh's philosophy).

They have no control over that expansion and we're in a ten team conference against rivals with a history!

And we basically make the same money for TV revenue!

And, oops, NU has to pay 9 million.

NU fans, if not all have, are starting to wake up -- they're not losers like CU, but for such a tradition packed school like Nebraska, what a mistake.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

Let's just wait and see where NU is at in 5 years. NU right now is rejoicing over joining Big 10. Everybody is so happy there. I've been to their sports blog to see what the consensus is and everybody is optimistic about their new future. Let's see what happens.

100 7 years, 11 months ago

Wouldn't disagree that the posting NU fans are rejoicing.

NU will always be NU: they were on their way up, they will be great in five years just like they wouldve in the Big 12.

NU just happened to have a bad run for a few years and UT and OU exploited it; NU ran away, just as they were on the rise.

It's too bad really for them, but there's no way they saw ESPN and FOx coming in to save the day.

And it's much better for us now to finally get to play all the teams, so we can only thank them. On a personal note, I'll miss them and it's too bad they couldn't have stayed to negotiate.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, NU was likable until they left for the Big 10. I wished them the best too.

jhokfan 7 years, 11 months ago

There is some history with CU and NU so I'm a little disappointed they're gone but I won't miss NU's fans who have been gaining ground on mizwho as the most classless in the conference. CU might be a better fit in the Pac 10 but they may have shot themselves in the foot. I'm pretty sure they bolted on the assumption that half the Big 12 was right behind them. NU won't be hurting financially but I don't see them becoming relevant in college football any time soon. Their recruiting will have to come from places like Ohio and Michigan where they are likely to get the leftovers. I suspect they will do well initially but over time will be dragged down to the level of competition just like Penn State did when they joined.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

The CU fans seem very happy about their move from their sport blogs I've been reading. A year from now, I wanna see how they are doing. NU will be doing fine. They are making a lot of money now and they are in the best conference in the country. We need to crush them when they play against Big 12.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

Some people mentioned that NU will have problems recruiting. I don't see them having any problems with recruiting at all. Look at the Big 10 schools. They are doing great with their football teams.

100 7 years, 11 months ago


You nailed it. The CU fans might be happy, but the administration and sports departments are freaking out.

To them the news was solid that UT and the rest were coming along and they took a moment to steal Baylor's spot.

All of this wouldve gone through smoothly (with Kansas not coming in the original plan) had A& M not dragged their feet.

This whole thing was a dome deal. Signed sealed and delivered.

Then when A&M continued dragging their feet KU was contacted (this is all from the OrangeBlood interviewer today), and KU was to be part of this Pac 16 and A & M was going to the SEC, the plan they were leaning towards to get away from UT anyway.

Then ESPN started freaking out, looking at existing basketball deals (yes believe it or not), and realized the Big 12 (all but the forgottten 4) were to be taken by the Pac 16 and FSW.

So ESPN/ABC and Fox made this all happen. They brought UT and A&M back to the table.

So now CU is left all alone without a 16 team conference.

Which sucks.

Now all of their sports have to take these epic trips to play these games, whereas with a 16 team division it's just an 8 team division with schools relatively close.

We are talking about epic travel expenses and unheard of time away from the classroom for a school that prides themselves in the classroom.

CU is sc'rwed. I'm glad their fans are happy though, CU is a class act.

It's too bad they got caught up in this.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 7 years, 11 months ago

You explained it very well. Thanks! I'm glad they left because we have a chance now to get Arkansas from SEC since Jerry Jones is interested in his alma mater to join Big 12. Also, Jerry Jones thinks we can get Notre Dame to join us too. Wouldn't that be great?

jhokfan 7 years, 11 months ago

I think NU will be fine but they will never return to their glory days. The more sophisticated style of offense is suited to warm weather climates and the best athletes in the country have been and will continue to gravitate to places like Florida, Texas, and California. I’m sure the Big 10 was a great conference back in the day when helmets were made of leather but they have fallen behind the curve and seem to be the only ones unaware of it. They may be the beneficiary of lucrative TV markets but their climate is a not conducive to winning football. The days of lining up 11 players to collide into each other are over. Look what the SEC has done to the once powerful Ohio State.

wrwlumpy 7 years, 11 months ago

Texas controlled the conference before all of this. Yes, TU has become wealthier, but every team in the league also just became wealthier, by a whole lot. KU will get better with Gill in football. I watched his Buffalo team come into Mizzou and take it to the top 5 ranked tigers with their "Chase" quaterback. KU might lose two more games each year in basketball but will probably still win every conference championship. I heard this morning on 810 that KU was 3rd in the conference in Televison money. This is because everyone in the country tunes in to see their team play the Jayhawks in BB. So what if we're better known for basketball. If this cr?p comes up again, we've learned that KU won't be left out in the cold. As Self said, "we've got a pretty good brand".

jhokfan 7 years, 11 months ago

I think a serious blow was dealt against the mega-conference concept but if ACC, Pac 10, SEC and Big 10 all eventually become 16 team conferences, at least one of them will extend an invitation to KU.

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