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Marcus, Markieff battle for top spot

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1. Markieff Morris: Played a flawless first half and finished with 19 points, nine rebounds, four assists, two blocked shots and two steals. Didn’t go to the free throw line, but needed just 10 field goal attempts to score his 19 points. 2. Marcus Morris: Made 10 of 14 field goals and scored 25 points, had five boards (four offensive), two assists and three steals.

3. Josh Selby: Had a terrific first half, hitting shots and disrupting Baylor’s ballhandlers. Finished with 12 points, three assists and three steals.

4. Tyrel Reed: What a senior year this guy is having. Didn’t turn it over once and has 35 assists and 12 turnovers, the best ratio on the team. Made 3 of 5 three-pointers, giving him a two-game total of 7 of 12. Scored 11 points, giving him four double-digit scoring efforts in the past five games.

5. Mario Little: Showing he’s a clever offensive player yet again, Little was lethal when catching the ball from the middle of the zone. He tallied 10 points in seven minutes.

6. Tyshawn Taylor: Had a couple of careless moments but for the most part played well defensively and kept the ball moving to the right places.

7. Brady Morningstar: Committed four fouls, including a couple of them late when keeping the clock moving was all Kansas needed. Scoreless again and has made 2 of his last 19 three-point attempts.

8. Thomas Robinson: Not his night, although the Ferrell Center floor still hurts from his dunk. Had four turnovers and might not be as ready to excel against zone defenses as Little.

9. Elijah Johnson: Still not moving his feet well on defense, he committed four fouls in nine minutes.

10. Jeff Withey: Played two minutes.

The Keegan Ratings: Season Standings
1. Marcus Morris (146 points)
2. Markieff Morris (141 points)
3. Tyshawn Taylor (123 points)
4. Thomas Robinson (108 points)
5. Tyrel Reed (103 points)
6. Brady Morningstar (84 points)
7. Travis Releford (71 points)
8. Josh Selby (65 points)
9. Elijah Johnson (57 points)
10. Mario Little (50 points)
11. Jeff Withey (34 points)
12. Royce Woolridge (4 points)

The Keegan Ratings: Big 12 standings
1. Marcus Morris (29 points)
2. Markieff Morris (25 points)
3. Tyrel Reed (21 points)
T4. Brady Morningstar (18 points)
T4. Josh Selby (18 points)
6. Mario Little (16 points)
T7. Thomas Robinson (14 points)
T7. Tyshawn Taylor (14 points)
9. Elijah Johnson (7 points)
10. Jeff Withey (1 point)

Comments

ParisHawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Big 12 ratings: Selby and Morningstar tied. Keegan's gonna get lynched by the Pine Police.

waywardJay 9 years, 2 months ago

Ok..... How do you justify Brady's ranking being so High ? all Brady's assists were on tough shots. He missed what should have been a given three pointer ( he's missed alot of those this year ) and he commit 4 really weak fouls.... three holds on DUnn and one on a foul Lace should have had points off.

It's not only arguable, but intelligent to robinson higher because he DID score. Yeah, 4 turnovers. But he rebounded and stole the ball too. And He had an excellent pass to Brayd go for naught because brady can't hit an in rhythm three.... Brady was better than Withey as he at least did something with his time in the game, but really... Elijah and Thomas played better, Keegan.

Dirk Medema 9 years, 2 months ago

There's a reason Brady was in and TRob wasn't, tho maybe that is b/c Coach Self just isn't that smart. Brady's D on Dunn was a chunk of the reason he was so far below his average. TRob did look good the couple times he made plays, but he just wasn't effective in the middle of the zone.

Those 2 are arguable, but EJ's not even in the picture this time.

hawksfan08 9 years, 2 months ago

Taylor was actually the one who checked Dunn for the majority of the game, especially the first half. The ratings are however correct as you pointed out. EJ sadly looks like he has really regressed from where he was over Christmas break.

Clarence Haynes 9 years, 2 months ago

TRob will be there when we need him this season. Next year, he'll be even greater!

waywardJay 9 years, 2 months ago

Yeah Brady's play on Lace in the second half directly lead to brady picking up 3 fouls and giving up 8 points to Lace...... If the game was going to get tight again self would have switched Tyshawn back on him.

It's interesting your so quick to credit Brady for defense that was no-existant.

On Brady's first foul, he was blown by Lace two steps and lace had a dunk on Brady's over play..... the only reasons he didn't get points on that play, was because he tried to go up soft, and he missed the free throw.

SOmeone suggested Ej's play has become so tight because he thinks that why bill keeps giving him minutes..... Bill's put himself in a corner with brady.... let's hope he finds a way out because that was totally indefensable basketball Brady played yesterday.

Jim Roth 9 years, 2 months ago

Brady is hitting 65% of his 2 pt shots, for the season. 3rd best on the team from inside the line.

Hank Cross 9 years, 2 months ago

When you only take one or two of those shots a game, that's a meaningless statistic.

Jim Roth 9 years, 2 months ago

He's taken the same number of 3 pt shots, but the haters don't call those meaningless.

Jim Roth 9 years, 2 months ago

Selby has taken only 9 more 2-pt shots than Morningstar (albeit in half the # of games) but is hitting only 37% from inside the line.

Just making observations.

waywardJay 9 years, 2 months ago

Brady's making 65% percent of his 2 point shots.

points - up .2 a game. rebounds - down .1 a game ( down .8 from his sO year ) assists- down .5 a game turnovers- up.3 a game assist to turnover ratio - down from 2.82 to 1.91 steals- up.5 per game. blocks- up.1 a game fouls- up- .5 a game

Your right, Brady is making 65 percent of his 2 pointers. up from 41 percent last year....

SO far that percentage has given him 2.44 points a gema this year..... his overall stats in 27 games last year 20 made 49 2pts attempted. gave him 1.48 per game from two. It's a difference of less than a point over last year. A season in which he faded into obscurity by season's end.

Conversely, Selby's 37 percent is not against a previous season, and is only 10 percent off the major minutes replacement from Sherron collins. Sherron only shot 47 percent or 115/245.....

interestingly enough, Selby's three point shooting thus far EXCEEDS Sherron's season percetnage last year... now there is room for that to drop but Sherron shot significantly more shots than Selby has but Selby's shooting 42.2% from 3 whil Sherron shot 37 flat his senior season.

And that's a freshman to a senior comparison, and the freshman is not signiificantly off pace ins coring from said senior.... Sherron's average was 15.5, While Selby's producing at a 12.1 clip. Law of Averages woudl suggest A "senior" Selby would make a difference of 3 points in comparison.... even with a team so built on sharing the wealth.

You give so much credance to a senior adding .2 points to his game from last year, but you give such little credit to a Freshman replacing 12.1 points per game from a departing senior last year.

Shame on you.

hawk_of_ages 9 years, 2 months ago

"all Brady's assists were on tough shots."

Sorry, I watched the game too, and this statement is just objectively false. I have no problem with him being lower in the rankings this time, but give credit where it's due.

waywardJay 9 years, 2 months ago

I gave credit. I saw him with an extra assist. The box score didn't count the assist on Selby's three make in the first half, i don't believe.

But it was a three pointer, there are plenty of assists lost on three point shots, ask thomas robinson about the assist he lost to Brady missing his only shot.

The other three assists i saw for brady were all on plays away from the basket. His skills as a post passer gave his best pass at 14 feet out to Marcus Morris. that was the easiest shot his Post passing gave us.

Objectively, because you object to the fact that mario's two shots were 14 foot and out, and that selby's was behind 20 ? Or is it objective that my eye spotted Marcus at the top of the key two outside that your objecting too ? three of them had defenders in their face ( mario's and marcus's ) and one wa s athree point shot.... where good players miss 60% off....

It's an honest a take on the game Hawk, your the one being dishonest with yourself.

hawk_of_ages 9 years, 2 months ago

Really? Because if a KU player makes an assist, whoever it is, I give him credit for it. I'm not biased against any KU players, so I don't look for ways to downplay whatever they accomplish and dwell on their shortcomings. I don't single one guy out for criticism out of spite.

LAJayhawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Mario should have played more. He looked great while out there: aggressive, flowed with the offense, and perfect for that type of zone (he's money from 10-15 feet).

I was going to say that Reed should be higher, but then I realized that the top 5 guys all played terrific. The twins clearly are the top two, but I think Selby, Reed and Little brought an equal amount of energy and tenacity. Selby is still figuring out the game, but he goes all out whenever he's on the floor and that has to be commended. Reed is a rock. Every game. Even if he's not hitting his shot, he is the core of this team.

And the twins... sweet mother of God....

Those were two All Americans out there tonight. Well done.

eastcoasthawk 9 years, 2 months ago

+1

I would have said the top 7 guys played great. Wow, this was one of those games were these freaking ratings don't matter. We witnessed a complete team effort on the floor last night. Kudos to all the players. It was freak'in awesome baby!

Hank Cross 9 years, 2 months ago

Of course. A player who hasn't scored in 47 minutes over the last two games is worth the same as Selby. Keegan's stupid, but he's no fool. He knows that rating is pure comment bait. See, I fell for it myself.

Alohahawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Aww, give the twins a break. After all, the stats for both are off the charts. They deserve to tie for the award just once. Remember, they're twins!

LAJayhawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Yep, this is the second game this year that I thought Keegan would give a tie (although, I can't remember exactly which one was the first).

I guess if you start giving ties, you could do that every game. It is a team game afterall.

But they both were equally fantastic, and both deserved a #1.

Jonathan Allison 9 years, 2 months ago

sometimes playing good, tight, tough defense means you're gonna pick up a lot of fouls.

I thought that overall Brady played Lace about as well as anyone could. He got caught out of position a couple times, but for the most part he and Tyshawn both played great D.

I felt like Tyshawn had a very good game defensively. He played well offensively save for the first 4 minutes of the game.

Tyrel should have been ranked higher than Selby, though Selby did impress me with his defense a time or two.

eastcoasthawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Another +1

TT and Brady played Dunn as well as anyone this year. Plus TT stepped up when we were gunning in the first half and twins sat down for a break after scoring our last 13 or 15 points. I was wondering who the hell was going to score for us and TT takes 2 runners to the basket over their trees in the lane. All our guards had size mismatches throughout the game and they all stepped up defensively. Loved the weak side help from both Tyrel and Selby under the basket against guys that had 4 to 6 inches on them. Sure we drew some fouls but our bigs were never in real foul trouble thanks to the support. Mario Little was really fulfilling his potential last night. That was what I envisioned after seeing him the first couple of games in Crimson and Blue. We need his mid range jumper to be a more complete team. Just an all around great effort!

KU_FanSince75 9 years, 2 months ago

TT finishing sixth in the rankings from last night's game? Rankings are probably right but the Jayhawks are so loaded in talent that finishing 6th might not be so bad.

I agree with some of you above. Give the twins a tie! Both played like NBA prospects last night. Most of the time, they had ice in their veins. Hey, they're from Philly---city of brotherly love! They had a lot of love to give to Jayhawk Nation last night. You guys were awesome!

KGphoto 9 years, 2 months ago

Because the whole team had such great energy right from the tip, ( I was standing up within the first minute, and didn't sit until under 4 min to go.) I'm going to rank The Ferrel Center in there around # 5, for being at least partially responsible, by placing a fat chip squarely on the Hawk's shoulders. Nobody wants to be so utterly disrespected.

And then I also have to give Baylor players some props for keeping their cool throughout a difficult and embarrassing home blowout. They didn't resort to thug ball, cry to the refs, or make excuses. From what I saw, they took it better than I would have.

waywardJay 9 years, 2 months ago

Especially Lace when he could have let Marcus fall. That was classy.

chalmers2wright 9 years, 2 months ago

Tyshawn should be higher than Mario. Though he started slow (2 or 3 turnovers in the first 5 or so possessions) he picked up his game through the rest of the half and took over two plays in a row with great drives to the bucket when both the Twins had checked out. He also played great defense and caused Dunn a ton of problems.

Mario shot well but it was mostly during the portion of the game where we were already in control. I'll take the player that played 33 minutes and was helped us build our huge lead than a player who came in for 7 minutes in the second half and took every shot he could get.

Jeremy LeMaster 9 years, 2 months ago

I think EJ got hosed a little bit in this ranking. I thought he played well running the point against the zone. I wouldn't put him that high but thought he played better than Little. Brady, althought he did not score, played great defensively against Dunn as did Tyshawn!

My list for this week would have been: 1) Markieff Morris 2) Marcus Morris 3) Tyrel Reed 4) Tyshawn Taylor 5) Josh Selby 6) Brady Morningstar 7) Elijah Johnson 8) Thomas Robinson 9) Mario Little 10) Jeff Withey

kesmithstl1 9 years, 2 months ago

curious as to why you have Little so far down on the list?

Scott Smetana 9 years, 2 months ago

I'm so fired up after seeing the 'new' Jayhawks last night.
Reed>Selby simply on quality/number of minutes. Taylor played great D and I love his driving layup, but not a great ball handler. Little's confidence amazes me after his suspension.
Last night was the first a long time I felt the refs weren't out to punish our big men. TRob did not travel when he was benched. We need him more.
Never play Withey again.

Twins in beast mode for 6 games in tourney = national championship

Scott Smetana 9 years, 2 months ago

Hey all, I'm going to Vegas for the 1st round of the tourney. Never been there for the tourney. Any recommendations on Jayhawk hotspots to watch the game(s)?

ancient_hawk 9 years, 2 months ago

I'm sure it's quite a quandry for Self.

Morningstar doesn't bring much to the table as far as personal offensive output. OTOH, when you're 6' 3" and (relatively) slow-footed; and constantly being asked to lockdown the other team's taller/longer swing man, it tends to take your legs away. I think that has a lot to do with his drop in shooting.

I can say it without gulping, unlike a lot of people (apparently). From a purely athletic standpoint, he's clearly #5 of 5 out of the smalls. But he takes care of the ball, it never sticks in his hands, he makes laser-beam precise passes into the post, and no one is going to consistently beat him for floor-burn points.

Selby, TT, and EJ are quicker, higher-flying, and can create/take it to the rack. But, all three have done a HORRIBLE job of taking care of the ball. The next time one of them gets his pocket picked trying to cross-over 40 feet from the hoop, I swear my remote is going through the screen.

Hank Cross 9 years, 2 months ago

If you're " quicker, higher-flying, and can create/take it to the rack" chances are you are going to have more turnovers because you're trying to do something difficult quickly. Also, Brady always racks up more than his share of fouls (4 last night), which are basically the same as a TO, if not worse.

Nevertheless, Brady is best used when the team is scoring and flowing. The past few games he's made some good passes in transition that have led to points. If, however, the team is not scoring - he's a clear drag on the team b/c he can't create, much less make, his own shot, nor is he capable of creating shots for others by driving. In short, usefull to keep things going well, useless in starting something that's bogging down.

hawk_of_ages 9 years, 2 months ago

"Nevertheless, Brady is best used when the team is scoring and flowing."

Once again, you have it completely backwards. The team is scoring and flowing best WHEN BRADY IS IN THE GAME.

If the team was scoring easily WITHOUT Brady in there, we wouldn't need to play him at all. But we can't score easily if we're turning the ball over. If TT, Selby and EJ can collectively get their assist-to-TO ratio up where it needs to be, Brady's minutes will decrease.

Hank Cross 9 years, 2 months ago

Brady had 4 fouls to 3 assists. Unless I'm mistaken, when a player fouls, at the very least the team being fouled will get the ball and will be that much closer to shooting the 1and 1. So how is this any better than a TO, unless it's a hard foul that actually stops an easy shot from going? Most of the time, however, if Brady fouls in the act of shooting - the shooter converts.

Then again, if you actually think that Brady is the catalyst for this offense, logic isn't going to work.

hawk_of_ages 9 years, 2 months ago

Very creative. In order to attack Brady for what was a very efficient game, you find it necessary to invent the "foul to assist" ratio.

Give me a break. He was aggressively face-guarding one of the best scorers in the country, in a road game. Foul calls are inevitable. Everyone who isn't a Brady-hater acknowledges that he and TT did an excellent job against Dunn.

"Most of the time, however, if Brady fouls in the act of shooting - the shooter converts."

Ha ha, right. That explains all those 3-point plays Dunn was able to convert.

(Seriously, what game were you watching?)

waywardJay 9 years, 2 months ago

Tyshawn taylor was oN Lace for the biggest stretch of the game, and Brady got him when the Jones's decided to go two man in the second half.... and Brady STILLG AVE UP 8 of Lace's 13 points as their THIRD option.

When Baylor's leading scorer of all time ( yes I'm giving him the necessary points already... he should be good for it ) becomes your third Option because he's sick and you have a freshman and sophomore posing for the draft, and you still let him get 8 points on you, while expending ALL, yes ALL of your fouls on him.

It's arguable after listing Tyshawn on defense, that you should list JOnes' for defending Lace because Lace is normally their number 1 option, they decided to show the NBA scouts that JOnes' were as good as the morris twins, and that ALce just had an off night. Lace fought off hold after hold ( not called ) on Brady and then he still managed to get loose. brady was not as bad on lace as I expected, but using logic to say Brady was equal to tyshawn in holding Lace down is not objectively false. it's flat out BULL.

How can you defend that.....

He was suggesting that Brady is not the guy on our team that gives "hard fouls." That would be Thomas, or possibly Tyrel.

hawk_of_ages 9 years, 2 months ago

I didn't say Brady did as good a job as TT in guarding Dunn. Unlike yourself, I'm not biased against one or the other. I stated the fact that collectively they did a good job on him.

He gave up 8 whole points? Dunn is the third option now? Drew showing off Jones to the NBA scouts? Fouls not called on Brady?

Does that cover everything? Got any more anti-Brady conspiracy theories?

You're twisting yourself in knots trying to undercut the kid after he contributed to a great win for Kansas. It's pathetic and mean-spirited.

ancient_hawk 9 years, 2 months ago

  1. Being quicker and higher-flying means squat if you leave the ball behind or boot it OB, or wildly fly in for the charge. Nevertheless, I can live with that. Those are sins of commission. What I can't live with are the "and 1" turnovers as mentioned above. Playground ball needs to stay on the playground. TT and Selby are WAY too loose with their dribble.

  2. You drag Dunn up and down the court for awhile, and see how many fouls you commit. B-star would probably be better utlized OFF the scoring threat, where his excellent court sense could help close up the help-side weakness we have. But, if HCBS asks him to lock-down a play-maker, that's what he'll do to the best of his ability.

waywardJay 9 years, 2 months ago

and brady was excellent on Acy in the first half when they played him.

But, Acy is not as explosive as Lace so it's not beneficial to say .... Wow, Brady did an excellent job on Quincy Acy. He does not shoot three's so brady can lay off him two steps an dsag towards help, which is exactly what you would do against a guy who doesn't shoot the three.

REHawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Obviously, Brady possesses the stuff that posters dream of. Steady blueblood Jayhawk who has offered six of his post-high school years to the Kansas program. Not of 5-star athleticism, but a valuable chesspiece in Bill Self's pattern of winning hoops. If or when the 5-star guys are tired or struggling, Self beckons to Brady for dependable minutes. By the time he leaves the program, Brady will have played in more winning games than 95% of the players ever to take the floor in a Jayhawk singlet.

waywardJay 9 years, 2 months ago

The argument there is what impact on those wins does Brady have or at all on the flow of the game.

Does his career record matter anymore than Tj Whatley's? or bret ballards? or does it Belong with a solid workman's who played to the best of his ability every game like a SCot Pollard ?

Hank Cross 9 years, 2 months ago

Don't you know that Brady is the only player in the history of basketball whose achievements cannot be measured by individual objective statistics?

hawk_of_ages 9 years, 2 months ago

Last time I checked, it was a team game.

REHawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Here is another little nugget to kick around: If this team wins a league title, will Brady Morningstar be the only player in Kansas history to have contributed to 5 conference championships? (considering that his redshirt year, he did "contribute" as a practice player)

ParisHawk 9 years, 2 months ago

You forgot Matt Kleinmann, he already was on 5 championship teams.

REHawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Yeah, I forgot Matt. Conner stands a chance of joining the club if Bill Self returns 2011-12.

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