Dislocated finger can't keep Marcus from top of ratings

1. Marcus Morris: Handled the ball great against Texas pressure and continues to be the team’s most versatile, consistent performer. In another extremely consistent effort, Morris contributed 18 points, eight rebounds and four assists and made 7 of 10 field goals and 4 of 5 free throws.

2. Xavier Henry: Playing more in the paint and less on the perimeter, Henry totaled 15 points, five boards, two assists, a blocked shot and a steal. His shot still was off, but he played with toughness.

3. Sherron Collins: Made just 3 of 13 field goals, but made up for it with extremely active defensive play (four steals), perfect free throw shooting (8 of 8) and strong playmaking (five assists, two turnovers).

4. Markieff Morris: Had eight points, nine boards and three blocked shots in 19 minutes and made his only three-point shot.

5. Brady Morningstar: Didn’t finish well, but made both three-point shots, played strong defense and took care of the basketball. Finished with eight points, three boards, two assists and three steals and did not turn it over.

6. Cole Aldrich: Blocked six shots, but made just 2 of 10 field goals. Finished with seven points and five boards.

7. Tyshawn Taylor: Still has mental lapses at both ends of the floor, but he did contribute seven points and two steals in 19 minutes.

8. Tyrel Reed: Nothing spectacular and nothing about which to gripe.

The Keegan Ratings: Season Standings
1. Sherron Collins (192 points)
2. Cole Aldrich (180 points)
3. Marcus Morris (170 points)
4. Xavier Henry (141 points)
5. Tyshawn Taylor (124 points)
6. Markieff Morris (113 points)
7. Tyrel Reed (92 points)
8. Brady Morningstar (79 points)
9. Thomas Robinson (71 points)
10. Elijah Johnson (56 points)
11. C.J. Henry (21 points)
12. Jeff Withey (17 points)

The Keegan Ratings: Big 12 Standings
1. Marcus Morris (73 points)
2. Sherron Collins (67 points)
3. Cole Aldrich (63 points)
4. Brady Morningstar (53 points)
T5. Tyshawn Taylor (37 points)
T5. Markieff Morris (37 points)
T5. Xavier Henry (37 points)
8. Tyrel Reed (33 points)
9. Jeff Withey (16 points)
10. Thomas Robinson (15 points)
11. Elijah Johnson (6 points)

First-place votes
Cole Aldrich 7
Sherron Collins 6
Marcus Morris 6
Xavier Henry 2
Markieff Morris 1
Elijah Johnson 1
Tyshawn Taylor 1

Notes: C.J. Henry, though he is a walk-on, will be included in the Keegan Ratings.



Ralster Jayhawk 4 years, 2 months ago

bhann, I like your point about getting Withey+EJ some meaningful minutes. My guess is Self thought the TX game might have been a really close game, so he may not have wanted even 1 "forseeable" turnover (just a higher likelihood with Withey, TRob, EJ) compared to the starting 5 + MkM, TT (yes), Morn'Star, Reed. Eventhough every KU player is capable of turnovers...Its just a question of trust: do we trust Sherron with the ball? Did we trust RussRob with the ball? Etc...

That being said, I cant wait to see EJ get big minutes one day...that kid will be special, as will TRob...I simply must trust in Self regarding such decisions, as he certainly wants each 'W' just as bad as any of us...


bhann 4 years, 2 months ago

Slowpay--Overall I agree with what you are saying. Their has been to many games this year where EJ, and T Rob should have been given some playing time?. should have had a lot more playing time, we have had several blow out games--In fact, we went on a 22-0 run on Texas--great time to steal 2-3 minutes. It does us no good to have them on the bench as so.'s with not much playing time. That need to change---Look at the Texas game--I know it is a what if., but what if Marcus doesn't come back into the game and Cole gets hurt or foulfs out? Look what has happened to Mich. State?

I do like the 8 man rotation, I just feel their is a time to give these players a chance to show their talent. Correct me if I am wrong, but was EJ not a 5 star player? If so, how would u like to be a 4-5 star player, have the talent and not seeing the time? In the last couple of games Collins has been banged up and getting hurt. Why not stil 2-3 minutes each half?

Go Hawks!!


bhann 4 years, 2 months ago

dagger108--I did check out Warden's+/- post- 1st: Thanks for the post, I did enjoy ready it.

WHERE IS DOES HE INCLUDE ARE THE MISSED fg AND THE MISSED 3'S?? Warden and I match on what is used other than that. The "intangiblies" into the mix? Leadership, hustle--That is a taken and if their was a tie I would override that.

The overall facts are this: 1. How many times does a player have to shoot to get his points--Their has to be a +/- to balance this out. If you look at Wardens rankings and mine, the points are different, because of what I have said already, but the roverall rankings show the leaders by performance are not much different.

Go Hawks!!!


Dirk Medema 4 years, 2 months ago

bhann - There's more to the game than the stats you list. Keeg' does a decent job of factoring the intangibles into the mix.

Have you checked out Warden's +/- posts on You might find it encouraging.


bhann 4 years, 2 months ago

Tom their is no way Collins is ahead of Mark. Morris. Yes, X did play better but my goodness, he and Collins both shot very poorly from the field.

As I posted in my rankings after the game, I gave 1 postive point for point made,steal, rebound, assist and block.

Then I also have a minus 1 for every missed fg, missed 3, mft, to.

Using that formula, the following raking I came up with, which is based on the stats on the game both good and bad.

  1. Marcus Morris-28
  2. Mark. Morris-18
  3. X-17
  4. B. Moringstar-12
  5. Aldrich-7
  6. Collins-6
  7. T. Taylor-3
  8. Reed-0

Ranking should be based on facts of the game which show a "overall" game--offense and defense--both the postive and negative. I like seeing your ranking by lately I have to disagree with how u r ranking them.

Therefore, after the game, I will post my forumla and looking to see a better ranking of the players.

I do like how you have broke down the games before the Big 12 and now the Big 12 games.


Go Hawks!!!


slowplay 4 years, 2 months ago

An 8 man rotation is ideal. Players reach a comfort level knowing their roles as well as the PT they get with the rest of team. Fouls, injuries and special game situations may dictate going with 9,10 or 11 players but I think Self is getting comfortable with his rotation and we will not see much more of Whithey, EJ, or T-Rob unless it's a blow out or one of the other factors I mentioned.


jayhawkjoe98 4 years, 2 months ago

TRob and Withey's minutes-per-game statistics are misleading. Withey has only played in, what, 3/4 games? Robinson's mpg are at 8 because he saw the court plenty when KU was running teams out of the gym in the non-con.

Withey made a bad pass in the Kstate game that got him yanked. Other than that, I can't remember a single bad play he made. He gave KU some very solid minutes against Nebraska and Colorado.

I just see Aldrich sucking wind and wondering why Withey or Robinson isn't given at least a couple of minutes to spell him and get a chance to contribute.

Yes, Bill Self knows this team better than me. Just vocalizing here...


William Blake 4 years, 2 months ago

Tyrel hit a key basket with a couple minutes left to bump it back to 10.


Kye Clark 4 years, 2 months ago

It's amazing how many people clamor to see Jeff Withey. I guess he's the new EJ, who about a month ago or so everyone wanted to see more of. TheShot122293 is right on, Withey's situation (along with that of TRob) is pretty similar to that of Cole his freshman year. Cole averaged 8.3 minutes/game his freshman year, only seeing the court when there was foul trouble, injury, or a comfortable lead. He developed his game in practice, going up against Darnell, Shady, & Sasha. TRob is averaging 8.7 mpg, and Withey is averaging 4.7 mpg. They get to hone their skills against Cole and the Twins. That's pretty consistent with how Self uses his 4th (and in this case 5th) big. Seems to me that didn't stunt Cole's development any following his freshman year. I expect the same for TRob & Withey, they'll be fine next year.


mandomax 4 years, 2 months ago

Pittman is a big boy: 6'10, 290 lbs to Cole's 6'11, 245. Withey (7, 225) and Robinson (6'9, 235) might have been pushed around a little bit, but they are both so much more athletic than Pittman they could have beat him to jump balls and loose balls. I was also surprised not to see them get in. However, this Keegan ratings system shows that Self has finally settled into an 8-man rotation. Usually there are 10-12 players on the list, but todays has only 8.

The bench will get their glory. We will have a scary frontcourt next year if we get both twins back and add in Robinson at the 4/5 and Withey at the 5. Backcourt looks fine too with EJ (can't wait to see how he develops), Releford/Little at the 3 plus whoever we bring in. RCJHGKU


oldalum 4 years, 2 months ago

I'm amazed that anyone expected to see Withey or Robinson in this game. Cole was exhusted from trying to push 300-pound Pittman around under the goal. He must outweigh both Withey and Robinson by nearly 100 pounds.


TheShot122293 4 years, 2 months ago

jayhawkjoe98, I agree with your concern, though it also makes me think about Aldrich in the 07-08 season. I was very concerned throughout the year that he wasn't playing and therefore not developing, but the Final Four game against Hansbrough showed otherwise. Cole came in due to foul trouble, and I was initially very worried about how Hansbrough would systematically destroy this young, untested freshman. Oops. I'm confident that both Robinson and Withey are developing mightily under Danny's tutelage, and under Cole's as well. Maybe I trust Self and his coaches too much, but I don't think so.


Drew Alan 4 years, 2 months ago

its amazing how often Tyrel Reed's game summary could read that exact same way. He knows his limits, and doesn't try to do anything too crazy, when he's hot from 3 he'll see extended playing time, when the defense is playing him tight or he's not shooting well, or he's just not a good matchup for the opponent, he won't. I know he didn't play as much down the stretch due to depth and sprained ankles, but I think people forget that Tyrel was on that National Championship team too, so he knows what it takes to get there, even if he wasn't as pivotal of a player as Collins or Aldrich.


jayhawkjoe98 4 years, 2 months ago

I know Bill Self likes to play the players he is most comfortable with in situations like these, but I think there has to be some concern of retarding the development of Withey & Robinson. If Bill Self continues to shy away from playing these guys in pressure situations, how will he expect them to perform in March or April when Aldrich picks up 2 early fouls? I think it's inevitable that one of those two guys will be called upon to play some significant time if KU is really going to make a run.


Lacy Mohler 4 years, 2 months ago

I expected to see Withey in this game also. He showed good movement and a quick shot in the last game, but we can't know how his injury is coming along.

I would have moved Markieff up a notch to 3rd. He really stepped up last night when his brother was out. Also a huge three! Brady, Sherron, and Cole were a toss-up for 4, 5, & 6.


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