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Kansas recruiting class shy on high school prospects

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Kansas University football recruiting

Kansas University football recruiting

In job-saving mode, Kansas football coach David Beaty has loaded up on recruits from junior colleges.

Less than a week from next Wednesday's late signing day, Kansas looks as if it will end up with seven, maybe eight high school signees. Five signed letters of intent in the early period and two others have made verbal commitments.

Plus, Rivals reports that Kansas is battling Missouri for a Nick Bolton, a linebacker from Frisco, Texas, but he's thought to be leaning toward Missouri over Louisiana Tech and Kansas.

Defensive ends Miles Emery of Blue Valley High and Ryan Malbrough of Cecilia, Louisiana have made verbal commitments.

Free State High offensive tackle Jalan Robinson has been offered scholarships, but KU will not, an indication that the job-saving recruiting mode Beaty is in doesn't leave room for players who need time to blossom in the program after spending time reshaping their bodies in the weight room. Mississippi State and Nebraska both have first-year head coaches are building programs, and offered Robinson a scholarship earlier this week.

The KU class of high school recruits grades higher in quality than quantity among.

The five signees, ranked in estimated order of the contributions they'll make to the program:

Corione Harris, cornerback, 6-1, 170, New Orleans: He committed to Kansas early, even though SEC schools recruited him heavily. In the end, he chose Kansas over Mississippi State. Harris will participate in KU's spring football and projects as an immediate starter. Has reputation as hard hitter.

Pooka Williams, running back, 5-10, 165, Boutte, La.: A burner, Williams rushed for 3,120 yards and 37 touchdowns as a senior. He chose Kansas over LSU and Nebraska. Williams, also a track star, lost all the toes on his right foot at the age of 9 in a lawn-mower accident.

Jacobi Lott, offensive guard, 6-3, 305, Amarillo, Texas: Stronger than a typical high school recruit, he has a change to play sooner than most O-line recruits. Texas offered him a scholarship the night before the early signing period, but he stayed true to KU, which was in on him from the start.

Nick Williams, offensive lineman, 6-8, 260, Overland, Mo.: Kansas is excited about how he projects as an offensive tackle after spending a couple of years in the weight room.

Mac Copeland, offensive lineman, 6-5, 250, Wichita: Like Nick Williams, will need time to develop his body and technique before contributing and has a frame that should enable him to add weight easily.

Comments

Kevin Robert Fest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Uh oh quick someone hide this article from Bryson!!!!! Lol

Kevin Robert Fest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Tom
If Beaty offered Williams and Copeland two recruits who need time to develop why is Robinson not offered if he needs time to develop as well? It would seem to reason Beaty would have cut ties with Williams and Copeland early in recruiting if he wanted players to play immediately.

Jacob Zutterman 2 months, 2 weeks ago

We're not aware of an offer at this point. We just lost a JUCO OL earlier this week so I wouldn't be surprised if they extended an offer. Then again, who knows

Tom Keegan 2 months, 2 weeks ago

The staff deemed Williams and Copeland more worthy of scholarships at the time they made the offers. Jalen Robinson didn't start as a junior and became a prospect as a senior, by which time Beaty had slipped into win-now recruiting because season was going so poorly. They're using most of their spots on jucos who can help next year. By doing so they are guaranteeing the program won't have enough seniors in 2021 to be any good.

John Fitzgerald 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Overloading on JUCO’s to me is like getting a payday loan. Once the bill comes you get another payday loan just to pay that one off. And the cycle repeats itself again and again. Just as Beaty will have to continue to bring in JUCO’s for 2021 once the rather large class of Seniors graduates in 2020.

Len Shaffer 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Beaty will be here for recruiting in 2021???

John Fitzgerald 2 months, 2 weeks ago

It’s a hypothetical. But no, I don’t expect Beaty here in 2019.

Jim Stauffer 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Baloney Tom. By doing their best to win in '18 they are ensuring better recruiting for both '19 and '20. Yeah, I get it. Beaty has had to grow into his position. He has made many mistakes. The guy and his staff are terrific recruiters (something this program has never had) and if they can figure out how to develop kids and win games will have terrific success here. Certainly worth a try for both Zenger and Beaty. The gradual improvement in the staff with Ricker and Miller and Meacham having a second year here, there is at least more hope for '18 and the following years than we saw in his first three years.

Kevin Robert Fest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Big 12 recruiting rankings of 9 10 and l believe 10 this year where does that imply terrific recruiting?

Kevin Robert Fest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I hope that you mention that to him at the signing day press conference.

Bryson Stricker 2 months, 2 weeks ago

What Tom is failing to mention here is that it wasn't like he just became a prospect as a senior. He became a prospect as a senior and he is a reach prospect. He is so far down team's lists that he is pulling offers a week before NSD. KU HAS to hop on players like this ahead of time in general but especially when they are in-state. The problem here is that recruiting happens so far in advance, that if you don't break out till you're a senior, youre almost SOL. KU had two very good OL from HS ranks in their grasp early (they are both better than robinson) and they took advantage of being able to sign these kids early. If we wouldn't have gotten their LOI in December, they would not be coming here. They would have even better offer lists than jalan.

The only reason we are even talking about this all is because for the first time ever, we are actually competitive in recruiting and now we have a local guy who could be a huge development player for some program at a time where we are past recruiting development players and are recruiting play now players. We got the better end of this deal, I assure you. Just sucks we couldn't PWO signage before the offers came in.

Mike Bennett 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Reality check time. No reason to offer a player that is good enough to get a full ride at Nebraska and Mississippi if he's not ready to play in the final year of my contract. No need to worry about a future program you won't be a part of seeing.

Kevin Robert Fest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Sad that Robinson could be a talent in a few years and really help the program and O line but because now Beaty is desperate he's being very picky about who he signs. Not to say that even if he is offered he would sign but a Preferred Walkon is NOT a scholarship, free school yes please.

Will be interesting to see that if Beaty can't get another player to come if he offers Robinson at the last second to get to scholarship limit.

Jeff Coffman 2 months, 2 weeks ago

"Free State High offensive tackle Jalan Robinson has been offered scholarships, but KU will not, an indication that the job-saving recruiting mode Beaty is in doesn't leave room for players who need time to blossom in the program after spending time reshaping their bodies in the weight room."

Why Beaty should have been fired. Of course Zenger prior to that.

Girod has failed the program so far.

Kevin Robert Fest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Poll Beaty gets fired after... Game 1 Game 3 Halfway through season End of season OR Gets another extension

Len Shaffer 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Given what's happened so far, I wouldn't be surprised if they gave him a 5-year extension ...

Lawrence McGlinn 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Halfway through after losing to Baylor, Okie St and WVU by a combined 160-20.

John Fitzgerald 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Not saying the JUCO route won't work out for Beaty, but Tom you called it. Good job on that.

Robert Brock 2 months, 2 weeks ago

The juco route ensures Beaty’s termination.

Kevin Robert Fest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Too many things to list ensures Beatys termination lol

Jeff Coffman 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I'd say wins or losses should have ensured his termination, but clearly that was not the case.

Kevin Robert Fest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I can't wait to watch Beaty squirm when he finally has to answer questions about this JUCO heavy class. And not offering certain players

Dillon Davis 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I'm with you Kevin, I can't wait to see Tom grill Beaty next week. But knowing Beaty he'll just duck every question about it and say these are good football players, blah blah blah. He didn't get KS kids, he didn't get a bunch of Texas kids, and he went heavy on the JUCO route. All 3 things he said he was going to address and didn't. The only reason the recruiting class is what it is is because of Tony Hull.

I hope Tom and Benton ask tough questions next week at the press conference.

Kevin Robert Fest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Like a politician, talks for an hour but says nothing.

Jerry Walker 2 months, 2 weeks ago

" I can't wait to see Tom grill Beaty next week." -- Dillon Davis

It's time for Keegan to "walk the talk". He's been outspoken and adamant in his criticism of Beaty's recruiting in the print media. Let's see how he does in a public, face to face meeting with Beaty.

Bryson Stricker 2 months, 2 weeks ago

"The only reason the recruiting class is what it is is because of Tony Hull."

You mean to tell me, our head coach, just like every other head coach tries to do. Recruited a wonderful recruiter to join his staff? SHAME ON HIM. You do realize that every coach in the country has a beast recruiter at the RB coach role correct? That is literally where you put your best recruiter. Learn before ya speak numb nut.

Dirk Medema 2 months, 2 weeks ago

No need to be disrespectful, regardless of what is happening around you.

Dillon Davis 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I mean I'll give credit to Beaty for hiring Tony Hull, but the first couple years of Beaty's tenure we haven't been getting all these Louisiana kids. The reason we are getting them now is because they want to play for Hull. Regardless of if they are RBs or not, they are coming here for Hull.

And head coaches still have to go out and recruit. They don't just get to hand it off to their assistants and then take all of the credit. This class, based on where the kids are from, looks as if Hull went out and did all the work and Beaty did NOT do his part. He was supposed to be recruiting Texas and keeping in state talent here (like he was brought in to do) and didn't do it. Hence me saying that this class is all bc of Hull.

Seems as though you're the dumb nut when people are calling you out when an article gets posted and you haven't even commented yet lol

Len Shaffer 2 months, 2 weeks ago

"The KU class of high school recruits grades higher in quality than quantity among."

Nice sentence, Tom.

John Brazelton 2 months, 2 weeks ago

The 2017 recruiting class had 5 to 8 preferred walk-ons. If they are still with the program, they should get scholarships within the next two years. The 2018 recruiting class may have a number of preferred walk-ons as well. KU will always have to recruit JUCOs at defensive tackle as well as other positions to fill holes in the overall roster until they can develop a winning football tradition.

Dirk Medema 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Mentioned elsewhere that this is one of the ways that Beaty deserves a lot of credit for rebuilding the program from the abyss. Some commenters that can see past their noses and aren't able to do more research than reading half baked articles will point out the class rankings from recent years and ignore all the players that are on the team and contributing that were never counted as a part of the rankings. The preferred walk-ons is one of the ways Coach has absolutely fulfilled his coaching goals.

Joe Ross 2 months, 2 weeks ago

There is one situation and one situation ONLY where I think it is wise to keep Beaty around for another year. Here it is.

Some big time coach who Kansas REALLY wants has said he wants to coach beginning in '19-'20. That's it.

If that were the case you wouldn't want to make a hire this year, because the hiree would be under contract presumably for at least 3 years. Bringing in an interim coach would also then be more destabilizing than constructive. Committed recruits would likely want to leave. Kansas--already with 10 straight Toilet Bowl appearances in the last decade--could endure one more to get a gem. Construction will have commenced on a new stadium giving the official welcoming of a big time coach a more grandiose feel and probably helps him recruit better. In other words they could be timing the hiring with a phase completion, which is certainly an unorthodox way of making a football hire, but nonetheless...

Outside of this hare-brained, very unlikely scenario, there is no justification for keeping Beaty.

Stop it. No there isnt.

Dirk Medema 2 months, 2 weeks ago

How about the hare-brained, very unlikely scenario where we win some games?

You're generally so much more objective. This is disappointing.

Clarence Glasse 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Why do we, occasionally, feel compelled to talk about the high school vs junior college recruits question? Is there some hidden knowledge or insight about it that hasn't already been expressed?

Jeff Coffman 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Because it is pointing to an issue Beaty is implementing, which points our program into a continual downward spiral. This is the second time under the current Athletic Director the Juco route was taken. The first was highly unsuccessful at using Jucos and the second swore he would not go that route. He now has gone that route and is not taking interviews.

Girod has not shown any thought of the football program.

Clarence Glasse 2 months, 2 weeks ago

There is no argument about what you've written and, unless folks are absolutely new to these football boards, the viewpoint is well known and has been stated often. I'm wondering why it behooves us to revisit it continually, and always arrive at the same understanding that you've posted?

Clarence Glasse 2 months, 2 weeks ago

There is no argument about what you've written and, unless folks are absolutely new to these football boards, the viewpoint is well known and has been stated often. I'm wondering why it behooves us to revisit the high school/junior college question continually, to always arrive at the same understanding that you've posted?

(Disregard the my reply post above, which should have been removed. This one replaces it.)

Jim Stauffer 2 months, 2 weeks ago

The fact is many programs who are down use Jucos to revive them. High School kids are generally attracted to winning programs. We offered many High School kids all year long without significant results aside from the Louisiana kids. There is no "sin" in recruiting Jucos. In fact the most often used criticism of Beaty's Jucos is he is taking us back to the days of Weis. Facts are ornery critters. Beaty's Jucos have shown up, gone to class, worked in the weight room and contributed on the playing field. Tom Keegan and his outlaw bunch should actually do some investigation before they jump to such hasty conclusions in an attempt to demean a good man who is working hard for KU.

Kevin Robert Fest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

How is a story stating that KU has only 5 high schoolers in this class demeaning Beaty? He might be a good man but he is completely incompetent as a coach and leader. Some how if any one writes an article contrary to what one believes then they are labeled an "Outlaw"?

Dirk Medema 2 months, 2 weeks ago

It's not a matter of being contrary to what one believes, but is a matter of using generalizations and bad or lack research to promote faulty claims.

The performance on the field has not been adequate, but that does not mean that everything about Coach Beaty must be bad. He has done some good things. It's kind of pathetic when fans can't be objective and honest enough to at least acknowledge when something good is done. It is just like the disgusting polarization of politics.

[''] 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Facts are ornery critters? True. The fact is Beaty's HC record is 3-33 with only ONE FBS win. Keegan and his "outlaw bunch" have watched us lose to MAC teams that have crap locker rooms and ugly stadiums and no indoor practice facilities. Yep, facts are indeed ornery critters. So are #EarnIt hashtags while sporting a 3-33 record to back it up.

John Brazelton 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Let's see if the 2018 season changes things for KU. For the first time, Beaty will have a full roster of recruited scholarship players, plus 20+ classes of upper class seniors, juniors and underclass sophomores and at least one top ranked freshman. If a football team is going to win games, they usually do it with upper class scholarship players.

Bryson Stricker 2 months, 2 weeks ago

my response to TK saying Beaty is "guaranteeing we won't have any seniors in 2021 to be any good.

howdoyouhaveajob

Kevin Robert Fest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Bryson

Thank you for the list, but are you taking into account that these players listed in the future may not be around. They could transfer, become injured, ineligible, get in trouble with the law or school. So many factors go into the future numbers of players available in the coming years. Which would further deplete the numberof players because the JUCOS were only around for 2 years.

Bryson Stricker 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Kevin,

bruh. whats the point of recruiting if you are assuming they will be injured, transfer, ineligible or get in trouble. Every recruiting class adds 5 or so transfers by the time they graduate. That class is only going to get bigger, not smaller.

I'm telling you now, your view on this is warped due to what the media is telling you to believe. Trust me when I say I've put more hours into researching where our roster is instead of listening to TK because he quite frankly doesn't know what he's talking about most of the time. He does do a good job of reporting facts but they aren't always what he should be reporting and when it comes to analysis/opinion, he is almost always off the mark. Our 2021 Senior class is enough to field an offense and a defense and has a very good reinforcing junior class.

The only way to talk about this is assuming Beaty will continue to be our coach because he is recruiting to still be our coach then. By then, Beaty will have obviously pulled this ship above water somewhat and we could only hope that the reinforcements of class of 23 and 24 are filled with a few underclassmen who could make an impact. Bring in a JUCO steal or young transfer that is solid and we will be in a good place.

I'm not arguing that our coaching staff isn't failing on saturdays. I know they are, but our roster is in a very good place dude.

Dirk Medema 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Thanks for the analysis Bryson, though really it isn't a lot of analysis. That's not a criticism, but mostly an observation. It's really just taking the roster and splitting it up by class then counting the number of players in each. It's really rather ridiculous that something this simple escapes people that are paid, earn a living at reporting on the program.

Also, completely agree with your response that no one can manage a roster expecting to have crystal ball clairvoyance. No coach knows which players will have career ending injuries, transfer, ... That's why you get 85 players total and up to 25 per year for 4 or 5 years. That math doesn't equate for that very reason. It is also why it will be relevant for a program like KU - that don't stockpile 4* prospects for project players with potential that needs to be developed, for a program like KU to recruit JC's. They'll/We'll need to fill in those holes.

The one suggestion I would have would be to attempt to differentiate between scholarship and non-scholarship players. In 2016 & 2017, I did this as well as split the players by position groups to see where we were going to need to recruit heavily. It's also one of the reasons I wasn't more optimistic heading into this season - I saw the crater left in our defensive backfield by the graduation of all our seniors last year.

I would share it with you if I was more current on my tech. (Sorry)

Thank you for your effort none the less. It is good stuff.

Kevin Robert Fest 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Bryson again not to argue but...Beaty let go of many players since he has been here for violation of team rules, others had trouble with the law, others transferred, one of the best running backs Beaty recruited will never play because he has a medical problem. These things happen and do affect future numbers. Football does not exist in a perfect world so again these scenarios can and do happen. We will have walkons and transfers l get it but transfers are for only 1 year.

Bryson Stricker 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Only two Beaty recruited players have been removed from KUFB. One of them had a medical condition and now Isaiah Bean has a medical condition. So in 3 years, 4 recruits haven't made it to their senior year.. that's pretty decent imo.

Dirk Medema 2 months, 2 weeks ago

It seems like there have been more than 4 players that have left the program in the past 3 years, but maybe that's correct if you add the "Beaty recruited players" as a qualifier.

Octavius is the RB and such a huge loss. Gonzalez would be a non-medical. Neal is gone now too (I think?), or was he a Weis recruit?

This would be an interesting article. Who are the players that left the program, and what do we know about them? Benton?

[''] 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Another Zenger dumpster fire hire is KU Women's basketball. They've lost a Beaty-like 8 straight games. Carry on.

Bryson Stricker 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Keep in mind, the average senior class in the FBS is 16 players. That is a pretty good number to have of seniors and we are projected to be above it 100% the next two years and pending losing 5+ players in the following classes, we will also be at that number.

Dirk Medema 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I think we're a lot closer if you only count scholarship players. You've got a player total = 107 vs. 85 man scholarship limit, or 5+ too many per class. Regardless though, the next 2 are big classes and hopefully have the athletes to be able to consistently make plays. Last year we'd get a a couple good plays and then a gaffe. In spite of some of the stats, when looking at the individual plays, it didn't seem like we're that far away.

Bryson Stricker 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Well keep in mind we are in the process of developing an actual PWO program similar to KSU. The plan for many of those kids is to get them on scholarship.

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