Former Shocker, Jayhawk Greg Dreiling shows more wisdom than politicians

WindmillGIANT 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Most pressing issue of this generation? Climate change right? - the thing 100% of scientist not being paid by Exxon have been warning us about? Or is he speaking about the giant debt-crisis scam being perpetrated on the American people to convince them that they need to give up their social security and medicare because tax-payers getting their money back is bankrupting America as opposed to ten years of war funded by tax cuts, an economic catastrophe and Wall-Street bailout caused by a burst housing bubble and rampant unregulated gambling of other people's debts, not to mention the medical (hospital, pharmaceutical, insurance) industry which has turned the American people into the new oil industry, enriching themselves at the cost of everybody else. Yeah, amen and yep, I ranted politics on a sports page. Sorry.

rtwngr 2 months, 2 weeks ago

You should call yourself Don Quixote because you are tilting at windmillsGiant.

jackdavid 2 months, 2 weeks ago

While I did you a favor earlier > and may agree politically with much of what you say > please resist the compulsion to turn this KU SPORTS site into a political, religious, social issue forum, as others have attempted to do. Totally inappropriate. Doing so, and then saying "sorry" just doesn't cut it. Sorry.

jhawk613 2 months, 2 weeks ago

You also couldn't tell that Dreiling was being facetious with his comment. He obviously thinks the legislators are being ridiculous with their proposal.

njjayhawk 2 months, 2 weeks ago

"....shows more wisdom than politicians", so says the article headline. A corpse shows more wisdom than a politician.

KUfaninPA 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Ignorant.

HighEliteMajor 2 months, 2 weeks ago

We should play WSU. That's the point the legislator made who brought it up. Don't give me this money thing. We play at neutral sites all the time. There is no downside, unless we're afraid of getting beat. And that isn't a reason for KU not to play.

Noisewater 2 months, 2 weeks ago

No downside? Maybe. What's the upside?

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Money Money Money.

HighEliteMajor 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Ok .. what upside is there beating Oregon St. at Sprint Center?

In my mind, anything that brings positive attention to the state of Kansas is good for KU. K-State doing well in football helps raise KU's basketball awareness nationwide. Playing WSU would be a bit of a novelty and I bet it would get some air time.

The other upside is shutting up the WSU whiners. And that's the best argument of all.

Dogbert579 2 months, 2 weeks ago

We're not playing WSU. It's never going to happen. luckily, FHOFNCHCBS is smart enough to know that EVERY game has to be scheduled with intent and forethought.

You don't play games against teams that have way more motivation than you who are likely to be under ranked relative to their skill. In the long run it's a losing proposition.

KU plays on ESPN practically every time regardless. We don't need more attention than that.

Come on, you are smarter than this HEM.

texashawk10 2 months, 2 weeks ago

You want to know why KU should play Wichita St.? UTEP, Bucknell, Bradley, Northern Iowa, and VCU. If there's one hole in Bill Self's scheduling, it's a lack of mid-major teams of that quality that KU could run into in the first or second round of the NCAA tournament.

HawkOverseas 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Horrible logic. You're saying that in order to beat teams of lesser talent than the big names, we need to play teams with less talent. False! Playing high level of competition adequately prepares KU to play teams of lesser competition. Is TCU a mid-major? No. Is Oklahoma? No. Don't throw out Bradley and Bucknell losses as reasons we need to schedule Bradley/Bucknell/WSU in the regular season. We play a tough schedule year in, year out, and play some crappy opponents like TCU that happened to beat us this year. Your logic that you need to schedule mid-majors in order to be best prepared for a mid-major in the tournament is flawed.

JayhawkJohn 2 months, 2 weeks ago

WSU doesn't want to play KU at a "neutral" site. They want the game to be at InTrust Arena in Wichita. I say its fine to play them. In Lawrence like we do Pitt State, Emporia State, Fort Hays State, Washburn, etc. Nothing (absolutely nothing) to be gained by playing them at all and especially in Wichita.

Displayhawk 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Many times HCBS will schedule home and away games with an opponent so one of his players can go back (close to) home to play. With Wichita being so close, that is negated. Not afraid to play the Wazzoo's, just no incentive to.

raprichard 2 months, 2 weeks ago

HEM, I disagree that it would be a novelty and get air time. In the state of Kansas, yes. Nationally, no. Have you ever cared when North Carolina plays NCA&T or NC Wilmington? Do you even notice if Ohio State plays Toledo? What about Texas playing SMU? Those games might mean something to the fans of the smaller schools and even a few fans of the powerhouse school, but they mean absolutely nothing to anyone on a national level. If, and only if, WSU is in the top 25 at the beginning of the year, then the game might be interesting to someone on a national level.

jackdavid 2 months, 2 weeks ago

RAP> When was the last time anyone ever heard of NCA&T, or NC Wilmington, or Toledo (well, besides me, and only because their mascot is a "Mudhen" basketball teams? And the teams Kansas University plays in our early season, non-conference schedule? Com'on now.

ralster 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I want to play/beat WSU just to shut up Shocker fans. MAKE WSU end the series again like they did in 1993 because they were no longer competetive. People spinning the refusal as "KU afraid to play WSU", and I know Self isnt afraid to play anybody.

Matt1958 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I've told WSU fans that they might play KU in the NCAA someday if they ever get past the first round.

kuwells 2 months, 2 weeks ago

An apology has been issied by Iowa State on behalf of KU and WSU.

Matt1958 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Caught 3 shows on the Clockwork Angles tour so far. St. Louis, Charlotte, Dallas. Scheming on KC. Great album.

kuwells 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Caught shows in San Jose, Anaheim, Los Angeles, San Diego, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Dallas, and San Antonio! I'll be headed to Austin on April 23. Great album indeed!

by kuwells

Matt1958 2 months, 2 weeks ago

by Matt1958

kuwells 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Great picture! I tool almost the same one!

by kuwells

April13 2 months, 2 weeks ago

The day that we are so insecure about our basketball program that we feel it is necessary to "shut up" a bunch of Woo Shockers is the day we should move to the Missouri Valley Conference.

You don't build a perennial top-5 basketball program by scheduling games for any other reason than those reasons that help you build a top-5 basketball program.

Every decade or so, WSU gets hot and gets too big for their britches. It will pass. There is absolutely no benefit to us to play them, so why would we? Are we in the business of passing out favors to other college teams who compete for our recruits?

WSU may get us on a neutral court this year during the tourney. That's the only time we should ever play them.

texashawk10 2 months, 2 weeks ago

No benefit? UTEP, Bucknell, Bradley, Northern Iowa, and VCU losses all say differently. Also, when was the last time KU and WSU legitimately went head to head for a major recruit? Yes Ellis had WSU, but they were never serious contenders for him.

HawkOverseas 2 months, 2 weeks ago

You're implying that we lost to Bucknell, Bradley, etc because we didn't schedule enough mid-majors that season. Do you see how ridiculous that is?

jackdavid 2 months, 2 weeks ago

NEWS RELEASE > BIG 12 OFFICE > "The league basketball referees did NOT take a position on this issue." But seriously, having been a Kansas University die-hard sports fan since 1947 ( with Forrest C. "Phog' Allens autograph from our 1954 Russell HS sports banquet) and a long-time resistor to Wichita State's request to schedule basketball games with KU > I have now changed my position. For a couple of reasons > actually, they are almost the same. It seems to me that WSU, as a University, does have a legitimate standing among the three major universities of the state > and, at the same time, has had, and continues to have a legitimate standing among NCAA Div. 1 basketball programs. While my passion for KU basketball continues to grow > even into my "Senior years", I do believe that BB games with Wichita State are the right thing to do. For us to continue to oppose that idea, IMHO, is not a position that is in the "Class" tradition of our University. It would be a terrific event for all sports fans throughout the State. Rock Chalk Jayhawk

jackdavid 2 months, 2 weeks ago

April > and those powerhouse high RPI teams we play early, non-conference?

yellowjeep 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Being from Wichita and WSU being my (distant) second favorite team I have no desire to see them play KU. That said, if you haven't been to a game at Koch Arena you need to go at least once.

jaybate 2 months, 2 weeks ago

"Some Experiences and Benefits KU and Its Players Could Hope to Gain from Playing Chita State"

~A sadism rush.

~A tour of Thyssen Krupp to learn about their material and supply chain management services serving the aircraft industry.

~A more profound understanding of the Arkansas River.

~First hand experience of the original Pizza Hut.

~Partake in some pure, uncut Mentholateum.

~Gain insight into Taco Tico's mild, medium, hot and volcano taco sauces.

~Participate in a symposium on fundamentalist interpretations of Allen Ginzburg's "Wichita Vortex Sutra."

~Brush up on the post structuralist implications of "Planes, Trains and Automobiles" Wichita allusions.

~Enter into a debate about whether US 54 is better than, equal to, or worse than US 81.

~Attempt to verfiy that Wichita Transit operates 53 buses on 18 fixed bus routes.

~Try to reenact the 2011 study by Walk Score that ranked Wichita 38th most walkable of fifty largest U.S. cities.

~Seek scientific verification of whether or not one can get a shock from wheat.

~Self monitor on neighborhood walks to learn if tedium reduces stress.

~Attract more MVC transfers.

(Note: all fiction. No malice.)

jackdavid 2 months, 2 weeks ago

JayB. > As a former Wichitan (now AZian), I am greatly impressed by the breadth, depth, and lest I forget, your expansive knowledge of the City of Wichita > AKA, "Peerless Princess of the Plains" (1887); "Air Capital of Kansas" (1928); "Air Capital of the World" (1940); and currently, "Doo-Dah".

And while I don't doubt you know this, as well > for the benefit of those who don't > It's the "our-KANSAS River"

If I may add to your list of experiences>

~ The Olde Mill Tasty Shoppe>original marble counter> NY Chicken Salad sand.

~ The Artichoke> Nancy #8

jaybate 2 months, 2 weeks ago

And a fine add it is.

A friend of mine still domiciling (my first-of-the-day Dostoyevsky-ian-esque, Underground Man-ist-istic satiric ridicule of the contemporary tendency of soft thinking Neo-Ninnies to transform sterile nouns into verb-ed castrati phonemes) in the geo-strategic state of Kansas has spoken favorably of their victuals.

I would formalize the underlying decision rule in quasi Boolean logic for the situation thusly:

If FC > 2, then CR worth trying, else stop

where

FC = Positive food criticisms by reliable Jayhawks

and

CR = Chita Restaurants

:-)

Matt1958 2 months, 2 weeks ago

KU would be well served to stay as far away from the white trash crap hole that is Wichita as is possible.

yellowjeep 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Ouch

Rockn_Chalkn_KU 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Ouch - I don't live there, but the times I've visited it seems as nice a place to live as any.

jackdavid 2 months, 2 weeks ago

As opposed to the "other white trash crap holes" you know? Sorry you had such a lousy experience in Doo-Dah city. Based on my 'first person' > 50+ years residency; while it's not my favorite City (San Francisco), it's really a very nice place to live and visit. Can be a bit conservative, but hey, it's Kansas > and I have a great many progressive, wild and wacky friends who make life incredibly interesting. You should meet some of them one day > that is if you can tolerate a "crap hole" for a couple of days. :-))

nostradavid 2 months, 2 weeks ago

(This reply was first posted 22 hours ago. The page crashed, then I did.)

the Arkansas River is so low it needs to be mowed.
no pizza at the original Hut, just biz students.
original Mentholatum< building now contains fresh roasted coffee beans.
the state just shut down half of the Taco Ticos for back taxes.
fundamentalists flee from the words of Allen Ginsburg<. (I witnessed this firsthand when a friend was reenacting Allen's readings.)
walking some neighborhoods will relieve your tedium with stress.

(spelling corrections< without malice :)

Bligh by nostradavid

jaybate 2 months, 2 weeks ago

nostra,

Classique!

And anyone that will show me a picture of Charley Laughton with that grin has to be commended.

PHOF

nostradavid 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I was just trying to set up your double chin suggestion below.

Remember, when it comes to Wichita ...

Lulu left in a hurry. by nostradavid

jaybate 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Suggested new tag line for Tom Keegan's Double Chin Music blog:

"It ain't the chins, its the motion."

nostradavid 2 months, 2 weeks ago

First - I like the Shockers, and enjoy watching them play. They could be dangerous in the NCAA tournament. They won the NIT in 2011. (They haven't had much luck in the Valley tournament lately.) Greg Marshall is a good coach, the best they've had since Turgeon was there.

The moron that introduced the bill is a dim-witted tea bagger. He was the Wichita city commissioner that was so obnoxious that the rest were glad to see him leave for Topeka. He can't even understand that this would be an unfunded mandate being imposed by the state.

The old Roundhouse is now Charles Koch Arena, named after the fifth richest billionaire in the world. It seats 10,500. The Koch brothers could pick up the difference between that and 16,300 seats at AFH from the spare change that falls out of their hobbies: funding front groups to deny climate change, and subverting democracy. If they want to play the Jayhawks, let them pay for that privilege.

Intrust Bank Arena downtown holds 15,000. If WSU asks nicely, and waits their turn, a home and home pair of games there could happen someday. It would be a sellout at premium prices.

They really want it bad. by nostradavid

yellowjeep 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Marshall is the only coach they've had since Turgeon bolted.

I'd go to a KU WSU game at Intrust. But I'd rather see an NCAA game there.

Hornhawk 2 months, 2 weeks ago

R Crumb rules.

jackdavid 2 months, 2 weeks ago

"Nostra" > not only do we share a name, it appears you know and describe Mikey O'Donnnell as well as I could, and have in direct communication with him on many occasions > he certainly provides us with unlimited opportunities. He both looked and obviously thinks like an immature HS freshman (apologies to all 9th grade students). Listed occupation > custodian (janitor) at his father's church - residence > rent free in church parsonage > violation of church's tax exempt status > which Mikey first denied, and was later corrected > BY his father. I believe I can safely predict a continuation of his inglorious and short political "career".

And Right On re KU-WSU BB competition. Both schools supporters deserve that game.

I believe I can safely predict a cont I can safely predict a continuation of his unglorius

AirCapJay 2 months, 2 weeks ago

I am very surprised by all the vitriol toward the largest city in the state of Kansas. I think it is obvious that most the posters on this tread are from out of state or in the KC area.

@Matt1958, really? Trash crap hole? I could expect that type of comment from someone from zoo.

These posts are a slap in the face to all the KU fans from the Wichita area. The fans in Wichita would love to be able to see their KU team up close every other year.

A game with WSU would be very good for several reasons. WSU RPI is consistantly high and would be good for KU in a non-conference game. The economics would be good for both schools as both games would be a sell-out. (Not that they aren't already. Both KU and WSU sell all their games out). Money would stay in the state of Kansas instead of going to the state of Missouri.

I'm not saying that the games need to be legislated. However, these posts on this thread are rediculous. KSU just announced a game with Gonzaga next season in Wichita, Come on KU, if you don't want to play WSU, how about scheduling a game with Grambling State or Friends University in Wichita.

kansasexile 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Climate change is the most pressing issue? I thought Kansans were too wise to fall for this climate change nonsense. After all the region near Lawrence as I studied it at KU geography was the Glaciated Region. Glaciers carved those hills, moving a few boulders from the north in their path. They also carved the Great Lakes and with no cars and factories or even masses of breathing humans in sight retreated to the Arctic. And somehow this issue wormed its way into the KU-WSU basketball debate. At least WSU is Division 1, let them play each other once in a while rather than wait till the glaciers come back.

Robbk1066 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Each game on a college basketball schedule is there for a reason, one that is and should be decided by the school and no one else. The only and entire reason this Wichita proposed bill is there is because the reps from that city feel slighted by the one school in the state who does not feel compelled to schedule them. So rather then do the work to create the need to schedule them, like be annually ranked, have a large home venue with revenue options, national program that would attract TV attention, or high conference RPI elements that would benefit NCAA seeding, we get this.
This has been done before in other states and each time it has proven beneficial only to the smaller weaker school, see Northern IA vs. IA, which is a huge loss and non factor for TV, revenue and RPI for Iowa each year.
We live in a a time where politicians are becoming weak, special interest driven. poor excuse's of reps of their districts or states. This is an excellent example of that, nothing more. If this is passed all we are doing is bending to some minority interest that does not care about anything but making sure their little part of the world gets their way, regardless of who is affected.
None of the thoughts supporting this have any merit, because they just do not add up to why games are played today. We do not live in a time to do things that would be nice or neat, or to help out our biggest city.
Having to play WSU each year, being required by state law, will be the low point of the schedule, because we will always talk about it being a have to and not a want to choice. Think about it when have you ever liked to HAVE to do something. Never.

Makes me sick to live in this state.

jackdavid 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Robb> You and Matt1958 sound like bosom buddies. You should get together and b----; er, Grouch about > well, pretty much everything,

Response to your other points> A. I don't think ANYONE, including not one other Ks.legislator, other than the moron Mikey (who looks and thinks like an immature HS freshman), who intro'd the bill, supports the legislation> it's DOA > SO RELAX about that issue.

B. "We do not live in a time.......nice or neat or to help" Perhaps that's true in the world in which you live ( and I'm sorry for you); but it IS a world in which most of the rest of us live.

C. "Makes me sick to live in this state" (Insert obvious remedy> Goodbye)

Robbk1066 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Jack you show your inability to grasp high level concepts so I will keep this at a simple low level for you. As your earlier posts also show you are pointing at people who disagree with you not at the real issues, again you are missing the points. So lets keep this nice and easy for you... I get my say just like you do, so does Matt whoever he is, anyone else. So you are being the grouch about "anyone" as well as anything, sorry for you, really am. The points you make in your reply are well off the mark. A, I sent a email and called " Mikey" to voice my concerns he would not reply, I was nice unlike you are. So i will never relax when someone does something immature like this people who sit by and do nothing deserve what they get. B we do live in time you and I where our govt is off the track and have lost all perspective. Not sure if you are keeping up with current events but Mr. Paul from KY just spent 13 hours wasting time for all on something he knows was a waste of alls time. This stuff has to stop, on the state as well as federal level. C "Goodbye", again simple minded soultion Jack. Sounds like Jack you have been jack'd so often you dont know how to stand up to anyone or anything except some faceless person in a blog. Stand up and be counted Jack or Goodbye is all any of us will have a choice in. Hope you get this Jack, tried to keep it at a high school level for you...

AirCapJay 2 months, 2 weeks ago

You must be a 9th grader. If you expect to be able to pass the ACT with high enough score to get into KU, you better plan on applying to Johnson County Jr. College.

jackdavid 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Ouch, Robb > you sure know how to "hurt" a guy. :-) If you only knew how far off the mark you really are. And don't concern yourself with "low" or "high" levels > I manage quite well, thank you.

Let's see > where to begin? Actually, I'm afraid it's you who is missing a point > one of several > that being that I do disagree with people with whom I oppose their thinking on a particular issue > KU-WSU> in this instance. Get it? And don't try to patronize with the "nice and easy" remark > it's not becoming to you.

Of course you get your say > just as everybody does > and in this matter mine takes the form of my being critical of some of "your say" re this issue.

With reference to Mikey > being nice as you say you were got you exactly what......? Besides the good feelings that must have come with "being nice."? Where guys like Mike are concerned, I've lived long enough and heard enough from morons like him, that "nice" just isn't a word in my vocabulary when I communicate with him > or others like him. On the other hand, "nice" is a word my friends would use quite often in describing me.

And, as a matter of fact, I keep up quite well with current events > Rand Paul,McCain,drones, et al > so give up your pettiness about "current events".

Not exactly sure what "jack'd" means, but let me assure you I've never been accused of "not standing up to anyone", or "not standing up and being counted", at a time when something was important to me. We would be having this exact conversation in person > without question.

And speaking of high school > with regard to your last sentence, I haven't heard such an immature remark since those long ago days.

And finally, two closing comments. I want to apologize to all those who post on this site for wasting space with these personal communications between Robb and myself. Sometimes my better judgement takes second place, and I just cannot resist that little (big?) voice on my shoulder.

And to Robb > Based on some of what you have to say, I suspect we may have more in common than either of us would imagine > or admit to. It is amazing that a pretty much non-issue like the KU-WSU game has morphed into this.

jgkojak 2 months, 2 weeks ago

We should play WSU.

From a marketing standpoint, it gives KU Wichita and further west fans a chance to come see the Jayhawks in person. Long-term, it builds the fan base.

Here is what I think -

let's get creative -

WSU should host a double-header every year with WSU, KU, KSU and an invited nearby Div 1 team (Tulsa, Arkansas, SMU, Air Force, Co State, etc). One year KU plays WSU and KSU plays the invitee, the next year, KSU plays WSU, etc.

That way KU and KSU are taking turns playing WSU, its a nice showcase for KS Basketball.

If we had to rotate hosting it in the Sprint Ctr and Wichita to please the KU people, fine.

Robbk1066 2 months, 2 weeks ago

This only benfits WSU not KU, or KSU. Why do this? They are weaker, always have been there is no plus here for us to strech to do this. How about KU plays a Sprint type game in Wichita( take one that we played in KC and play it in Wichita), I would support that. Do you think WSU would howl knowing KU is coming to their town to play someone of caliber, not them. Oh my you could hear it in KC. They would go crazy which makes your concept wrong. Its about what is good for them and no one else, not their city, our fans out there just them. They are a weak option for us to play, there is no benefit to KU. This has only to do with WSU fans and no one else. That is why we cannot allow this to happen.

jackdavid 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Breaking news > Fortunately, "we" don't have the 'power' to allow or not allow this decision to happen. Wiser and more rational minds get to make that choice.

Robbk1066 2 months, 2 weeks ago

Jack you are showing your feathers friend. Ever hear of voting, or calling Him, I did, did you? Quit being part of the problem and be a part of the soultion or least stand up instead of sitting by and watching things happen. Please tell me you dont live here, please...