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Charlie Weis tweets a molehill into a mountain

A minor spat between a football coach and a newspaper somehow has turned into a national story.

I’ve had hundreds of spats with coaches, media relations officials, etc., — Tommy Lasorda once stood so close when he was hollering at me I actually swallowed some of his chicken spittle — that didn’t seem to me to be newsworthy. But I suppose because this has become national “news,” it’s time to comment on it.

I suppose.

The University Daily Kansan, the student newspaper, ran a sharp, fair, prophetic cartoon cover that portrayed the Jayhawks as Kansas State road kill. From there, just about everybody involved tripped all over themselves. Now it’s a national story.

Mistake No. 1: Charlie Weis, whose press conferences have been extremely candid and entertaining, showed a hole in his swing when he tweeted, “Team slammed by our own school newspaper. Amazing! No problem with opponents paper or local media. You deserve what you get! But, not home!”

For such a smart guy who does such a good job of interacting with the media at press conferences, this was a shockingly naive viewpoint. A school newspaper is a training ground for future journalists. Yell leaders cheer. Reporters report.

Mistake No. 2: Kansan reporter Blake Schuster tweeted a link to his well-written story about quarterbacks taking hits in practice that week, as opposed to the normal routine of wearing a red shirt that reminds defenders the QB can’t be tackled. With the link, Schuster wrote, “Here’s my story from today’s Kansan, I guess coach Weis wasn’t a fan”. The story had nothing to do with Weis’ beef. It was all about the cover art. Schuster knew that, but misrepresented to Twitter nation that his story set off Weis, making Weis’ tweet look even worse.

Mistake No. 3: Reviving a story that should have been swallowed in the wake of Kansas getting outscored in the second half, 35-2, by Kansas State.

Katy Lonergan, the sports information department’s football contact, is at the very least indirectly responsible for this one. Lonergan met with Schuster on Tuesday before Weis’ weekly press conference to let him know to be prepared for unpleasant responses if he asked questions of Weis and the players. Even if she thought she were helping the young reporter, she should have just let the football coach, a big boy, handle whatever questions Schuster sent his way.

Mistake No. 4: Schuster didn’t ask any questions at the press conference. He’s young and inexperienced, so he probably was a little shaken. He needed to ask a question and put what he perceived as an implied threat to a test.

Mistake No. 5: Kansan wrote a story about the Lonergan conversation, making itself a part of the story.

Mistake No. 6: Lonergan talked to 810 sports talk radio host Kevin Keitzman off the air, trying to explain why she talked with Schuster, thus giving more legs to the “story.” Keitzman added fuel to the controversy. National websites took it from there. Now the national perception is that Weis makes a habit of bullying college reporters. Until his tweet, nothing could have been more untrue. Until his ill-advised tweet, Weis consistently showed incredible patience with stupid questions from some reporters, more patience than any coach at any level I’ve covered in more than 30 years on the job.

Normally, I would be extremely careful about not criticizing a reporter from a student newspaper, but since the Kansan decided to make itself part of the story, it opened up its reporters to this revelation: Schuster twice asked Weis about using running back Tony Pierson as a wide receiver sometimes, apparently thinking that when a running back comes out of the backfield to make a catch, he switches positions. On both occasions, Weis explained Pierson is a running back and didn’t mock the reporter for not knowing the difference.

That’s why Weis over-reacting to the cartoon came as such a shock. If he had not tweeted his pre-historic thoughts on the role of a student newspaper, this molehill — Weis’ players being upset over a cartoon — never would have grown into a mountain.

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Comments

kureader 1 year, 9 months ago

Well said .... it has nothing to do with free speech, it's about bad taste.

It's also about whether a coach can defend his own team and criticize criticizers without being called a bully.

This is much to do about nothing. Weis doesn't deserve criticism. The Kansan can make fun of its own hometown team if it wishes (though what's the point?), and Weis can defend his guys and respond to the article if he thinks it's uinfair. Free speech works both ways, Kansan ... let's move on. Kansan, if you want to publish a procative article, making fun of your hometown team, don't act like the victim when a KU supporter doesn't like it!

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ArgyleJayhawks 1 year, 9 months ago

Well said? It isn't the job of the journalists to be the personal PR firm for KU.

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Hawk_Star 1 year, 9 months ago

Weis would have a case if this were a situation where students at a GAME were mocking the team, but this is a journalism student. Why should the student have to compromise his/her duty as an aspiring journalist, just because the football team isn't performing at a respectable level? These are 18-24 year old men, competing against the highest level of non-professional competition, if one cannot handle the critique of a student journalist, then they should have stopped playing football after high school. Keep Getting Better, Hawks! RCJH

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Alex Berger 1 year, 9 months ago

The question though is why is it a problem that Weis doesn't like a cartoon from a hometown newspaper? Besides, a satirical cartoon is not "reporting the news." It is poking fun and mocking. Weis is allowed to show indignation that students from his "own school newspaper" are mocking their team. Both sides get to show their opinions; it's the beauty of free speech.

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LAJayhawk 1 year, 9 months ago

AlBerg, I think you may be missing the issue. No one is saying either Weis or the UDK doesn't have the RIGHT to tweet or publish whatever they choose. The police are not knocking on their doors and arresting them for expressing themselves. That is the entirety of what protected free speech is: you have the right to speak your mind without governmental persecution (up to a point, there is such a thing as unprotected speech as well, but that's off the subject). However, free speech does NOT exempt you from criticism for making said speech.

So, yes, both sides can express themselves. No one is disputing that. Keegan's point was that Weis' tweet, while legally allowed, was an inadvisable move that actually made the problem worse. Yes, he CAN express his disapproval of the cartoon, but that doesn't mean he should. To paraphrase Chris Rock, you can drive your car with your feet if you want to, doesn't make it a good idea.

I do actually think Charlie is right, the UDK cartoon is in bad taste considering the audience (which is something a reporter must do), however, he needed to shut his mouth about it. As expressing his constitutional right to free speech made the problem exponentially worse.

And that is all Keegan was saying.

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Hawk_Star 1 year, 9 months ago

'something stupid' is to assume that consistent poor performance should get a pass, even if its from one's peers. What coach Weis and most of the players on the team fail to realize is that as fans we have stubbornly supported mediocre football from this university for much of its existence, and thus a culture and expectation of football as something 'comical' has developed. This is not to say that everyone associated with the university (fans, students etc.) does not hope for improvement or success for the team, but considering the $ize and coverage that collegiate athletics receive in this day in age--particularly D1 football--, experiencing one instance of blunt criticism from one's peers is absolutely warranted in this case. If the football program maintained a level of respectability through results based performance, then this type criticism from 'within/one's peers wouldn't reveal itself or be deemed appropriate by students/editors etc.

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actorman 1 year, 9 months ago

Well said, Hawk_Star. It's funny how coaches and players are eager to bask in the adulation that comes with success (or even just being connected to the football program at a major university), yet are quick to bristle at the slightest, well, slight. Weis has been around long enough that he should know that criticism comes with the territory. You can't expect to get all the positive attention without also expecting legitimate criticism when it's warranted.

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actorman 1 year, 9 months ago

What was stupid about the cartoon? I haven't seen the actual cartoon, so I'm not entirely qualified to comment. But if it was as described, showing KU as roadkill for KSU, that would seem to be an appropriate thing to put in the paper.

Is it kind? No. But political cartoons (which this would technically be considered as) are not supposed to be kind; they're just supposed to be accurate (or least reflect a point of view that has based on events).

And in response to AlBerg, just because it's a cartoon instead of an article doesn't mean it's any less legitimate in training reporters (and cartoonists) for their future career choices. In case you haven't noticed, there are plenty of these types of cartoons in newspapers all over the country, and cartoonists deserve a chance to hone their craft just as much as reporters do.

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2002 1 year, 9 months ago

I agree with Weis also. Let the LJW or Star slam all they want, the school newspaper should have a different standard.

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Eric Dawson 1 year, 9 months ago

A good explanation of what has happened, Tom, except for your blatantly biased words against Weis' position ("his pre-historic thoughts") and in support of the cartoon, which was far from "sharp" -- it was actually quite crudely drawn. And it's accuracy was not at issue with Weis. Kicking your own team when it's down was the issue, making even more of a laughingstock of them than they are was the issue. "Look at this -- put down by their own school paper!" It cannot help recruiting when the team's school newspaper ridicules it.

School journalists can be fair and accurate without being jerks and potentially hurting the future of the program. The story was fine. The cover was not.

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Rivethead 1 year, 9 months ago

Well stated. This is simple. If you're associated with KU you're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Someone please explain to me how that cartoon is part of the solution to making KU have a better football program.

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actorman 1 year, 9 months ago

"If you're associated with KU you're either part of the problem or part of the solution."

Rivethead, that's ridiculous. Students who work for the UDK have no responsibility to be part of the problem OR part of the solution; they have a responsibility to work on their craft and develop as reporters and/or cartoonists.

It's up to the football coaches and players to be part of the solution. The UDK has no responsibility to be a cheerleader when it comes to the program.

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toots_mom 1 year, 9 months ago

When I was at KU, I thought that the weakest part of the UDK was the so-called cartoons--they were amateurish. Good to see it probably hasn't changed in the years since

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Carter Patterson 1 year, 9 months ago

Mistake #7: Keegan writes an article...and on and on and on....

I'm embarrased by the UDK. The UDK reporter obviously wanted to put himself in the limelight. I think he's got a good chance of ending up behind the counter asking "would you like fries with that?"

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Benjamin Piehler 1 year, 9 months ago

What's your point, sir? Surely you are capable of articulating it.

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toots_mom 1 year, 9 months ago

I don't think that is what thebcman was saying. I think, he was more likely referring to Weis' knee jerk reaction to the cartoon. Weis needs to grow a thicker skin than to be upset by a UDK cartoon.

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Rivethead 1 year, 9 months ago

Like I said above, you're either part of the problem or part of the solution. We now know where you stand.

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actorman 1 year, 9 months ago

I'm sure that bcman will have a major effect on the future of KU football, and it probably breaks his heart to know that he's contributing to the problem.

If only we had as much influence as you seem to think we do ...

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railer20 1 year, 9 months ago

How does Weis need to grow a pair? He stood up for his team, and unlike a lot of programs he took the heat for making the comment instead of the players stirring crap up. Hell Bill Self couldn't even keep Taylor from tweeting or facebooking about crap that he didn't like, but Weis stood up for an ENTIRE football team and took every last bit of heat. You think Charlie really gives two craps about what some tool box of a reporter in KS has to say about him? I think he dealt with a lot worse when he was at ND and Florida. Get a clue.

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bad_dog 1 year, 9 months ago

From my perspective the cartoon symbolized the student's lack of respect for the team. Perhaps in a fit of journalistic integrity, the UDK could feature a cartoon of the apathetic student section after halftime. They could put a conversation bubble over the empty seats that says "Rip His Effing Head Off!".

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rcjallday 1 year, 9 months ago

I'm amazed this story has become such a sensation. Seems like much ado about nothing. When you're 1-4, you can expect the criticism from everyone. As a head coach, you'd think there'd be more important issues at hand than a cartoon. It's embarrassing on both accounts. The infighting between the two parties is childish.

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Tom Keegan 1 year, 9 months ago

rcjallday, I too am amazed the story has become such a sensation. That's why I passed on writing about it, but once it became evident the entire nation now thinks Charlie Weis bullies young reporters when in fact before this spat he had been incredibly patient and has passed on a number of opportunities to mock lame questions. Much ado about nothing is about right.

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Stan Unruh 1 year, 9 months ago

Keegan... The entire DOES not think Weis bullies young reporters. You just think they do.

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Brak 1 year, 9 months ago

You do you realize that there is news outside of kusports.com right?? Maybe you don't get out much but this story is plastered all over every major media outlet. Let you me tell you what, they are not siding with Coach Weis and they are trying to say that he has a history of this kind of behavior going back to ND. I didn't think it would be possible but it makes the KU football program look even worse than it really is.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/kansas-student-reporter-another-victim-charlie-weis-intimidation-212525147--ncaaf.html

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Thomas Michaud 1 year, 9 months ago

Was a UDK cartoonist from 1988-1992. Did op/ed cartoons as well as daily strip cartoons. Had my fair share of negative responses about some cartoons I did but never (despite the sad state of KU football for most of my KU career) did I once rip on the team like that cover art did (before a game). While I totally agree that KU was going to be outgunned in this game, why the hell would you plaster that on the front page as a freakin' cartoon before the game is even played? That's some school spirit for ya ...

I'm not saying the cartoon should never have been used ... hell, I could have seen it run AFTER the game. If I had been working for the UDK as a freshman in '87, I probably would have done one about the "Toilet Bowl": when both KU and KSU sucked and TIED at 17. Funny thing was: I actually did a t-shirt for that game--a few weeks before--for a fraternity. The drawing had a van with "KU" on it, leaving Manhattan, and a mushroom cloud exploding behind it (as to say that we'd destroy them) ... Hey, I was all for pulling for the team!

To me, as someone stuck up in Michigan viewing this story, it only appears that the UDK was going more for "shock" journalism (vs. being "fair and sharp") with regards to the cartoon.

I really have no beef with the journalism reporter asking a fair enough question about the QBs ... but seriously, did he really think the RB changed positions simply by lining up as a WR? And why the heck did he feel that he needed to tweet (mistakenly) that coach was talking about him (which he was not but the cartoon)? To me, the onus is on the reporter for making himself look like some hard-nose reporter that got under the skin of the great Charlie Weis. Phft! Whatever.

I agree with Keegan (amazingly) that Katy Lonergan should not have approached the journalist, that she should not have taked to KK (who the heck would agree to talk with him???), and that the UDK should not have made itself the story.

Ah, the life of working at the UDK ... I miss those days.

Local Locals circa '92

Local Locals circa '92 by ColdCoffee

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emceelean 1 year, 9 months ago

Well, when a player does line up in a particular position they are playing that position. Pierson is obviously a RB on the depth chart, but when he toes the line of scrimmage and is split from the o-line then yes, in fact, he is a split end or flanker.

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Thomas Michaud 1 year, 9 months ago

weird ... double posted ... so I'll "edit" this and take out that repeated post. sorry.

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Joe Ross 1 year, 9 months ago

This is a campus paper. By definition it's partisan. It was from its inception. How surprising is it then, that a campus paper would bag on its own campus team? Weis and the team are rightly indignant, NOT because journalistic standards were contravened (they weren't), but because in our own paper we can read something that could have been printed in kstates or mizzous own campus papers.

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actorman 1 year, 9 months ago

Jross, I completely disagree that by definition the UDK is partisan, or that that was the intent from its inception.

A school paper is set up to give a students a chance to work on a newspaper while they're still students, as well as to report on things that are going on on campus. I don't believe the intent upon setup is to be an unabashed cheerleader for the team that it's covering (as in "reporting on").

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ahpersecoachingexperience 1 year, 9 months ago

I'm suprised the LJW doesn't call the UDK the KDU!

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Ron Prichard 1 year, 9 months ago

Damn...I actually gave apherse a 'thumbs up.'

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texashawk10 1 year, 9 months ago

This is an embarrassment for KU on all fronts. The way all parties involved have handled this has made all the parties involved look very petty and has done major image damage to all parties involved.

  1. UDK, I get 1st amendment rights, but there was definitely some very poor taste shown in publishing a cartoon that completely bashes the university you represent. I don't have a problem with the UDK being critical of the football program, but there are much better ways to go about it. Considering that the UDK gets most of funding from local advertising, why would the UDK publish something that could risk losing some of those businesses that pay to advertise in your newspaper? Biting the hand that feeds you has never been a very smart business practice.

  2. Blake Schuster, Intentionally tweeting something as misrepresentative as you did is the surest way to guarantee your career doesn't go very far regardless of field of employment. Your current job is to cover the KU football team and you blatantly tweet something that will get you on the bad side of the person you cover shows a total lack of common sense and I can't really say I blame KU Athletics from discouraging you from asking questions. Why would KU Athletics want to do any favors for a reporter that now has been labeled a trouble maker. There is a big difference between being critical and being an instigator and Blake Schuster now likely has the reputation of being an instigator within not only the KUAD, but also in the industry and if he does end up being employed as a sports journalist, I'm sure whoever he covers will be aware of this and probably won't be inclined to go out of their way to give Schuster much in the way of access or stories.

  3. Charlie Weis, His initial reaction to being surprised by the cartoon and defending his players from it is something I don't have a problem with. Honestly, I think Weis has probably handled this situation better than any other party involved, but that's not saying too much because I think Weis could've handled the situation a lot better as well. I also think the way the KUAD has handled the situation could be interpreted as Weis sending the SID to tell Schuster to watch himself, I personally don't that's the case but it's not hard to draw that conclusion either.

  4. KUAD, The SID that went and talked to Schuster has done nothing make this situation a much bigger deal that it should've been and who deserves most of the blame for this embarrassment. I completely agree with Keegan that if Lonergan stays out of this, then this is done being a story after the game on Saturday, but her telling Schuster to be prepared for an icy reception was a mistake and prevented Schuster from learning a very valuable lesson on his own. Her trying to explain to KSU alum Kevin Kietzman off air why she did what she did is something that she had to know was going to end badly and is the single biggest reason why this has become the story it has.

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Jhawk275 1 year, 9 months ago

"Keitzman added fuel to the controversy."

I'm shocked! Why would KK add fuel to a KU fire? It's not like he's a pathetically obsessed KSU fan or anything. I'm surprised Jack Harry hasn't been all over this one.

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toots_mom 1 year, 9 months ago

Give him time--since he hates all things KU!

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Ron Prichard 1 year, 9 months ago

Keitzman started his show the other day with a 15 minute monologue on the issue and called Lonegran a "henchman" and called Weis a "bully" (he later claimed he didn't call him a bully but said he was bullying the student reporter--pathetic distinction). Then, Keitzman invited people to call in about this or a couple other sports stories. When the first guy called in and said Keitzman was blowing this out of proportion and perpetuating a non-story, he accused the caller of keeping the story alive by saying, "it was dead until you called, sir!" The more he talks, the bigger idiot he becomes.

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jayhawk1991 1 year, 9 months ago

I usually agree with what you write...but not on this one. I have no problem with CW defending his team. I was HAPPY he did what he did. ROCK CHALK

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milwaukeeJAYHAWK 1 year, 9 months ago

I don't really care what the UDK said, or how the coach responded. Am I the only one who really has no opinion about this dumb episode?

All I want is for our KU to

  1. Improve
  2. Compete
  3. Recruit
  4. Give Memorial Stadium a makeover - - still hate the track
  5. Beat K-State

Everything else is just flies buzzing around the elephant in the room. The fact is that we suck. We suck hard and need to work on it. UDK and Weis can blah blah blah back and forth all they want.

I want a team that makes me excited again. A team that makes me want to cheer. A team that plays a sport well that I passionately love.

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milehighhawk 1 year, 9 months ago

Good stuff Tom - hit the mark on this one.

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KUMC84 1 year, 9 months ago

This isn't the Patriot Way that tries to control everything around it. HCCW has that same attitude, whether that's stuedent reporters, players or alumni if they disagree with him. I was thinking he said he had learned some humility from his experience at ND but his actions over the last month don't seem to support that.

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milehighhawk 1 year, 9 months ago

Yeah it was not the reporter who drew that.

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Ashwin Rao 1 year, 9 months ago

The journalist had the right to publish, and Weis had the right to complain... this is indeed making a mountain out of a molehill... move on.

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HawkDigestCom 1 year, 9 months ago

The only thing wrong I see in the whole scenario is this part:

"Lonergan talked to 810 sports talk radio host Kevin Keitzman off the air, trying to explain why she talked with Schuster, thus giving more legs to the 'story.'"

And that's just because it's daft. Did she just move here?

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KGphoto 1 year, 9 months ago

Thanks Tom. Now I won't be able to eat chicken for the foreseeable future. In fact you may have just ruined Thanksgiving for me.

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eastcoasthawk 1 year, 9 months ago

Nothing sells papers or blows up comments section like bull crap. Just can't beat it. Not a knock on Tom. Just agreeing with the mountain vs. molehill statement. Enough.

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Ross Cargo 1 year, 9 months ago

Lonergan sounds like the biggest idiot of the three. Somebody should just can her now.

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Sam Brockert 1 year, 9 months ago

Ok, Tom gotta disagree. If that cartoon had been in the wake of the loss, I doubt Weis would have said anything. But the fact it was the morning of the game, that is just bull. You don't mock your schools team by saying they have no chance in a game they have not played yet. That is not "reporting" as you called it, that is speculation. But I guess with the state the media in this country is in, specualtion and bull is all they are good at. So, in that aspect, you are right... They ARE getting a good journalistic education.

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W Keith Swinehart II 1 year, 9 months ago

This article isn't about molehills, it's about TK. You're a sly one, TK.

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pepper_bar 1 year, 9 months ago

Good blog Keegs.

Number 5 on your list: I think everyone at the UDK who was responsible for turning the Lonergan incident into an article - stating Schuster's biased perspective as gospel - should be suspended for the rest of the semester. That "article" and its misleading headline were together a complete disgrace.

The UDK seems to have Dixie Chicks syndrome: They were eager to exercise their First Amendment rights, but they're scandalized that other people exercised their parallel First Amendment rights to criticize them.

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railer20 1 year, 9 months ago

+1....if you can't take it don't dish it

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Joe Ross 1 year, 9 months ago

I’m not going to talk about football today. I’m not going to take a question about the game. I’m going to talk about [the UDK paper] right here. Anybody hasn’t [seen this cartoon] — I don’t read it, but it was brought to me by a mother with children. Think this is worth reading.

I want to talk about this [cartoon]. Three-fourths of this is inaccurate. It’s fiction and [it] embarrasses me to be involved with athletics tremendously. That [cartoon had to be drawn] by a person that doesn’t have a child and has never had a child that’s had their heart broken and come home upset! And had to deal with the child when he is upset! And kick a [team when it's] down!

Here’s all [these kids do]! They go to class. They are respectful to the media! They are respectful to the public! And they're good kids, and they're not professional athletes and they don't deserve to be kicked when they're down.

If you have a child someday, you’ll understand how it feels. But you obviously don’t have a child. I do. If your child goes down the street and somebody makes fun of him because he dropped a pass in a pickup game, or says he’s fat, and he comes home crying to his mom, you’d understand. But you haven’t had that.

Someday you will and when your child comes home, you’ll understand. If you want to go after an athlete — one of my athletes — you go after one who doesn’t do the right things! You don’t downgrade them because they do everything right and may not play as well on Saturday! And you let us make that decision!

That’s why I don’t read the newspaper! Because it’s garbage! And the editor who let it come out is garbage! Attacking amateur athletes doing everything right! And then you want to draw cartoons about guys who don’t do things right and downgrade them, the ones that do make plays.

Are you kidding me? Where are we at in society today? Come after me! I’m a man! I’m 40! I’m not a kid! Write something about me! Or the coaches. Don’t write a kid that does everything right, that’s heart is broken...

So get your facts straight! And I hope someday you have a child and somebody downgrades them and belittles them and you have to look them in the eye and say, “You know what? It’s OK. They are supposed to be mature adults but they’re really not.” Who’s the kid here? Who’s the kid here? Are you kidding me? That’s all I’ve got to say. It makes me want to puke.

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Joe Ross 1 year, 9 months ago

Didn't Jenni Carlson cut her teeth at the UDK? What the hell kinda journalism are they teaching over there? Sports Journalism 101: Day one lecture: Be controversial, even if it means you hate on your own team. By Jason Whitlock, guest lecturer.

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kureader 1 year, 9 months ago

I certainly agree, Jross. Beyond that, 1st amendment rights don't just apply to the media, they apply to those who are attacked or criticized by the media ... If I'm a coach, and someone wants to bag on my kids, they're gonna have to go through me to do it. UDK can say whatever they want, even if it's inappropriate and in bad taste. But, Weis has every right to defend his kids and criticize UDK in return. UDK can dish it out, but they can't take it.

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leonard 1 year, 9 months ago

-- Maybe you don't get out much but this story is plastered all over every major media outlet. Let you me tell you what, they are not siding with Coach Weis -- Brak

Of course they aren't siding with Weis. They are circling the wagons to protect another of their ignorant brethren.

Fourth estate...purveyors of truth...1st Amendment rights...blah blah blah. It's really about the media and journalists with too much time on their hands...trying to fill the insatiable 24/7 news cycle...meaning they are most often the ones turning mole hills into mountains.

Yeah, I heard one of your out-of-town media schlubs defending the reporter and the UDK. His reasoning? Not every reporter knows as much about football as coach Weis and this reporter should be allowed, without consequences to come to the presser, and ask stupid questions and Weis should have just smiled and answered the inane reporter.

It's the responsibility of the reporter to be informed about the subject he's covering. How do you think Pres. Obama and his staff would have responded if one of those supposed professional journalists...schlubbing into today's early morning presser looking like they slept in their clothes, hair mussed and rubbing sleep out of their eyes...would have asked "What's the latest on catching this bin Laden character"?

The UDK was wrong and Weis was right about the cartoon. Printing the cartoon prior to the game was inexcusable and coach Weis was right to call them out.

Bullying the reporter? I'm busting a gut laughing.

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Frankenhawk 1 year, 9 months ago

It says right on the cover of the paper that the UDK is supposed to be the "student voice". I don't believe that in any way, the students are supporting the UDK's decision to campaign against the football program, and as an alum I demand that the UDK either cease misrepresenting the students of the University of Kansas or stop claiming to be the the voice of all students.

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lv_jhwk 1 year, 9 months ago

For all the discussion about this, I think many are overlooking one significant point: the timing of it all.

If the UDK prints this story and the cartoon AFTER the loss, no one thinks twice about it, even Weis. Instead, they choose to put it in the paper prior to the game, thus demonstrating the very loser mentality that Weis is trying to overcome and change.

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Todd 1 year, 9 months ago

Shocking. A horrible writer that practices lazy shock "journalism" supporting an up and coming horrible writer that was practicing lazy shock "journalism." Having graduated from the J-school, I could support this crap if there was any reporting to it at all. All I've seen is stir the pot cartoons, poorly thought out columns about how KU should be fine being a one sport school and defensive articles propping up the first Amendment. Coach Weis has that right too. The right to tweet and the right to not talk to these kids if he chooses. I agree with Tait that both sides have acted poorly, but these reporters need to get over themselves. Argue whoever's side you will, but nobody can deny that these kids have purposely made themselves the story and THAT is the thing you are never supposed to do as a journalism.

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Todd 1 year, 9 months ago

Also, this is just personal opinion...I think it's rather distasteful to have a picture of Keegan puffing on a disgusting cigar as his picture.

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RockersChalk 1 year, 9 months ago

So I clearly didn't read the most recent posting and posted directly below you on the same subject. I'm more of the opinion it's just ultra lame as compared to disgusting but to each their own.

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RockersChalk 1 year, 9 months ago

On another note, sweet avatar Keegan. Wow.

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Terry N Tom Denner 1 year, 9 months ago

I do not blame Charlie for being upset what so ever. But, the paper has the right to post what ever article they want to . 1 st amendment !!! Both should just let it go and concentrate on getting a win.

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Kyle Chandler 1 year, 9 months ago

Who better to get ribbed by but your own school paper....what a whiner.

Throw some more money at him already or something.

also,

WHO CARES?

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2002 1 year, 9 months ago

So the UDK slams the KU Football team. The UDK's supporters say that is OK. Then the Coach fights back, for his players who are all students. Now the coach's response is a problem because he is slamming students.

What I see, as a KU alum, is a Journalism department that is poorly administered. It wasn't that way when i was there, but it sure is now. This story isn't about football, it is about education and this is an area where KU is not doing a good job.

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Currahee 1 year, 9 months ago

This kid is learning how to do sensational journalism quickly. I will say this though. I support our teams whether good or bad. KU football was never good and I don't really expect a lot- no one does. Putting up that comic is a disgrace to the players and commits to our football program. You always give it your 100% when you play. Anyone who has ever played a sport that's organized knows that honesty, integrity, sportsmanship are all qualities every athlete is taught- from when you're little to when you grow up. If you're not in the field playing or helping then get out or stay quiet.

So what- we all knew KU was going to get stomped on by K-State, this kid didn't need to salt the wound. What I see is a bandwagon hopper. All this kid cares about is winning. My friend, I think you should find a different school to go to.

I was also amused at the national news article. Violation of the first amendment? The first amendment says the GOVERNMENT can't tell you to be quiet. It never said it applied to businesses, individuals, etc.

So again, please leave the school. Go to K-State where the "winners" are. Will you post a comic of KU steamrolling KSU once basketball comes around?

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wats211 1 year, 9 months ago

What morons...but they are kids....and I remember those days...the UDK should never slam the team thats in transition...EVER.......and as far as Lonergan...she will lose her job over this.....and she SHOULD....a complete and total MORON!!!

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Raydude 1 year, 9 months ago

TKeeg.....I disagree with you and .........support CW ...I think he is entirely correct to completely support the university and it's football team..! If you think I am enititled to my opinion............shouldn't you agree that one would expect CW to wholeheartedly back up his team....they can't tweet in their own defense due to restrictions

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Tom Keegan 1 year, 9 months ago

Raydude, If Charlie never had tweeted, he wouldn't be getting unfairly slammed on multiple national websites. The guy's great with the media and now most of the country thinks he's a bully. That's not all his fault, obviously, but he made the first of many mistakes made by many. And I disagree that the school paper should be homers. What if all papers were homers on the ticket scandal and pretended it never happened? By now the best seats available to the public would be in the last few rows and the rest would be getting sold by the guys who are up the river. ... Of course you're entitled to your opinion. Everyone is, but that doesn't have anything to do with agreeing or disagreeing with your opinion. Thanks. -- Tom

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Eric Dawson 1 year, 9 months ago

Tom, the fact that you draw an analogy between the UDK-Weis situation and UDK reporting on the ticket scandal illustrates your inability to properly analyze and therefore sensibly comment on things. There is no comparison to be made -- one item is hard news and the other is a group of J students (at least the editor and the artist, and whoever else was involved in the cover decision) agreeing to publicly malign the football team before arguably their biggest game of the season. And Raydude did not write that the school paper should be homers, he wrote that he disagreed with you and supports Weis. Frankly, the "most of the country" thinking Weis is a bully are your fellow "journalists" who are feeling threatened because Weis fought back. How convenient for them to forget that he has 1st amendment rights, too. Too bad the UDK can dish it out, but can't take it when they are called for their BS! The UDK should not have made Weis' response to them an issue, doing so simply illustrated their own immaturity and lack of professionalism. You blame Weis, but Weis did the only thing he could in the face of the UDK cover, he publicly supported his players. I can guarantee that any recruit (or their parents) that read or hear about Weis "bullying" the UDK for publishing that crude, amateurish cartoon before the game will have a lot of respect for Weis, but look even harder at whether or not they want to be part of a university community that will show no respect for them (or their sons) despite their best efforts in practice and on the field. And that is the potential real loss for KU in this whole mess.

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dragonhawk 1 year, 9 months ago

What a big deal after Coach Weis tweeted a simple retort to a bad piece of journalism. Every reporter, both written, and spoken feel they have the right and obligation to make fun of any sports teams and/or players in the area and are immune to critical comment. Baloney. It was the editor and others who made this a big deal. Leave the coach alone. Oh, and by the way shame on the one who put the cartoon and our own paper. Am I biased. You betcha.

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OraleHawk 1 year, 9 months ago

Seems like an easy fix to me. Weis should apologize and tell people to move forward. He has a program to run...throwing mud doesn't win games. It'd be nice to get support from the fan base but winning will fix that. Till then, one foot in front of the other Coach, head down, and work your magic. After the first half last weekend I'm convinced he's our guy. Win and the other knuckleheads will think so too.

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Jack Jones 1 year, 9 months ago

TK - And now you have so articulately, and with your usual wisdom, could not resist contributing your one cents toward making the ' MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLEHILL ' JUST A WEE BIT TALLER.

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Jack Jones 1 year, 9 months ago

And, what's to apologize for? A reporter/journalist made an error in judgement - which they sometimes/often do - no big deal, right And, Coach Weis, in my opinion, responded appropriately - in fact, I would have been disappointed had he NOT responded in that way. He was simply standing up for his players, his coaches and, last, but certainly not least, The University of Kansas , as well for all of us - the terrific Jayhawk fans whose loyalty never wains - throughout it all..

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