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December 20, 2009
The Big Ten is looking to add more teams, and there's a good chance conference commissioner Jim Delany will consider a few Big 12 schools on his list of possibilities.
Kansas hasn't been brought up anywhere in the Big Ten's expansion talks.
However, a few Big 12 schools have recently been mentioned as potential candidates: Missouri, Iowa State and Nebraska.
No timetable has been set for when the Big Ten would look to add a school, and it's unknown how many schools the conference will look to add. The Big Ten's Council of Presidents/Chancellors discussed the idea at its winter meetings on Dec. 6.
Not surprisingly, Notre Dame appears to be the favorite if the Big Ten, which oddly is composed of 11 teams, chooses to add a school.
If Notre Dame declines — it seems to be a strong possibility — then the conference would have to look elsewhere. Maybe one of the three aforementioned Big 12 North schools. Maybe Pittsburgh, Louisville, Rutgers or Syracuse, who have all been reported as other possible candidates.
With another team, the Big Ten could have two divisions, which would enable it to organize a conference championship game in football.
The possibilities left me wondering: How would it sit with Kansas fans if Missouri left the Big 12?
Be sure to take part in our online poll on Missouri staying or leaving.
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I suppose the two schools could arrange a non-conference game in football, like Missouri and Illinois have done in the Arch Rivalry for the past three years. As for hoops, I'd think an arrangement could be made. Sprint Center every year is a possibility.
From a Big 12 perspective, however, I don't see much good out of taking away from one of the most brutal rivalries in college football/hoops. The Border War not part of the Big 12? It'd take some time for me to get used to that.
ESPN.com's Tim Griffin recently spoke to Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe, who said he expected the conference to be untouched after the Big Ten finalizes its plans for expansion.
But the talk of Missouri as a prominent figure in the Big Ten's future plans is out there. Heck, even the governor of Missouri thinks the Tigers should simply consider the idea.
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Who knows, maybe Mizzou will gain some added respect in the Big Ten.
It's no secret the Tigers haven't been satisfied with the Big 12 bowl selection process in recent years. This season, for instance, Missouri (8-4) will play in the Texas Bowl, which has the eighth and final selection of Big 12 bowl-eligible teams. Iowa State and Texas A&M, at 6-6, were selected to better bowls.
Before this season, significant losses in the Big 12 Championship game have doomed the Tigers to lesser-quality bowls.
In the 2008 season, Missouri beat Nebraska straight up and both teams finished with 5-3 conference records. But Oklahoma smoked Missouri, 62-21, in the Big 12 Championship. Nebraska (Gator) was picked to a better bowl than Missouri (Alamo).
In the 2007 season, Missouri beat Kansas straight up and both teams finished with 7-1 conference records. But (sound familiar?) Oklahoma roughed up Missouri, 38-17, in the Big 12 Championship. Kansas (Orange) was picked to a better bowl than Missouri (Cotton).
Of course, if Missouri leaves the Big 12, the conference would have to replace it with another North team. Not sure who you'd turn to there.
So feel free to start and add to the discussion.
Missouri: Better in the Big 12 or Big Ten?
As always, discuss.
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jross1972 (Joe Ross) says…
Cut 'em loose! There'll be no love lost. Kansas and Mizzou can still schedule home-and-home games so the Jayhawks retain the opportunity to show their athletic superiority. But I, for one, am NOT a Mizzou lover. If they want to leave, I'll be happy to escort them to the door.
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plasticJHawk (anonymous) says…
I think that Missouri fits better in the Big 12, though they do have somewhat of a Big 10 football atmosphere already. I think that it is best for the Big 12 to keep the border war in tact, but if Mizzou wants out then I say "good riddance".
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chuckberry32 (anonymous) says…
bye bye
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K_Easthouse (anonymous) says…
I'll be completely honest, I like the publicity the Border War has generated not just for KU-Mizzou, but for the Big 12 as a whole. Keeping the conference together is certainly the way to go.
Really, I dislike Mizzou. But I LOVE the fact that I dislike Mizzou. If we didn't play them at least twice each year in basketball, I think that dislike would just turn to idle dismissal. To keep the rivalry fresh, we need to keep things inside the Big 12. I mean, really, who would our big rival be if they left, KSU? Riiight.
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derringer29 (anonymous) says…
my question is if they leave (so what),then who does the big 12 get to take there place? i dont really see a good school in the midwest i would take over mu-any thoughts?
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CrodieBroyle (anonymous) says…
Missouri sucks, i will always hate them Big 12 or Big 11 doesn't matter to me. I do enjoy beating them twice a year in bball though.
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chell (anonymous) says…
No, Missouri should stay in the Big 12. The NCAA should pass a rule that forces schools to be members of a conference in a particular sport in order to qualify for the postseason in that sport. That would force Notre Dame to choose a conference and they would probably choose the Big 10.
That, of course would leave us with a Big 10 that had 12 teams, which is stupid, but whatever. They should just call it the Great Lakes Conference or something.
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chuckberry32 (anonymous) says…
i'm sure we'd still play them in football and basketball. the rivalry generates too much money for both schools for them to drop it.
I'm hearing TCU thrown about as the replacement. I guess that would be good in the sense it will help lock down texas recruiting as big 12 territory.
still can't imagine any conference thinking mizery is a good get. Whatever, they'll soon find out for themselves.
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fabio (anonymous) says…
I wish they would go. It would kill their recruiting in Oklahoma and Texas and they would have to go after inferior Big Ten recruits. This would give us a huge advantage in the big money sport. The game could still be played at the end of the year I expect, just like Georgia/Georgia Tech and Florida/Florida State. This would be the first good news since we beat Iowa State back in October.
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cshjhawk (anonymous) says…
I think that it will be Syracuse or Rutgers such that the Big 10 can enhance its media coverage in that part of the world.
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vlbptt (anonymous) says…
Let 'em go! Just don't adopt another Texas school into the conference.
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55jayhawk (anonymous) says…
They should stay in the Big 12, this series goes over a 100 years. Yes, there is no love lost but that makes the game so good from KU's standpoint. I always looked forward to playing them as it was a blast on the facing each other cussing, farting on them, spitting on their hands and, they did the same to us. But also, I made friends in that game over a 3 year period and still see them today when I am in Kansas City. It's one of the greatest rivals in the country and does not need to end.
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KUGuyInTarheelLand (anonymous) says…
I agree with no more TX schools. That makes no sense for balancing the B12. If we are forced to add a team, it has to go to the North. Otherwise, you have no options but to put OU or OKST into the north, and neither make any sense to do that.
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TenaciousD (anonymous) says…
Back when Baylor was having problems with players getting shot, Colorado State was good under Sonny Lubick. There was talk in the media of CSU taking Baylor's spot in the Big 12.
Their stadium is small (I think around 35K), but maybe CSU could be added to replace Missouri.
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KUGuyInTarheelLand (anonymous) says…
I think the best choices no matter how you cut it would come from the Mountain West. TCU is from there. I think the best choices would be BYU (my personal favorite from the MWC, decent football, decent basketball), Wyoming, and possibly Utah. I think the best choice overall would be Wichita State from the MVC. Only other school from that conference could be Creighton, and they would only compete in basketball. There's been some talk before about possibly Arkansas coming over from the SEC, but that's the same scenario as TCU...too many southern teams.
Ultimately I think the best thing is to leave Missouri. I hate em, but man is that rivalry great. And they don't have much of a rivalry at all in the big ten except with Illinois, and that's weak compared to Kansas and even Kansas State or Nebraska. Overall the best thing is for the big ten to go after someone from the big east. That conference is too big anyway.
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mikehawk (anonymous) says…
I hate to say it, but I think Missouri moving out of the Big 12 would be a loss to the whole conference. However, if we could get Arkansas out of the SEC, then I say...bye, bye Mizzou. But that is not going to happen. While it is true many Razorback lovers long for their old SW Conference pals who now reside in the Big 12, the fact is the Sooooy Pig Fat Cats love the SEC money. If Missouri, or any of the North Division teams would jump, it would appear to me the options that remain do not add to the overall quality of the conference. Let's hope Notre Dame comes to their senses and joins the Big Ten so the Missouri Ego train can come back to theirs and we can get back to business.
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bb73 (anonymous) says…
Too much money in the Big 12 for Missouri to leave. They're going no where. The Big 10 is the Rust Bucket Conference with a Michigan style economy.
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roc_chalk_a_fella (anonymous) says…
i dunno. we've always been in a conference with mizzou, it would be just strange to break it up. it's a great tradition of rivalry.
imagine not being able to out-do each other in conference rankings, tournaments, etc. each year? In football, we compete in the Big 12 North, both trying to get to the title game.
In basketball, the Big 12 tournament....it's so fun to beat them in it too!
sure, we'd still play a game or two with them each year, but it wouldn't be the same, have the same implications, or as much intensity.
i hate mizzou as much as the rest of you, but it would diminish a great rivalry.
imagine michigan-ohio state being broken up? or duke-carolina?
the best rivalries are within conferences. that's a fact.
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thmdmph (anonymous) says…
they need to stay. they're like the stupid cousin that acts dumb and be loud to draw attention to himself. they're the one that everybody makes fun of at parties. but if he or MU leaves, it's not the same. who else is going to stick his tongue on a metal pole outside in sub-zero temperature to entertain us and who else are we going to pick on? Pussycat in Manhattan? Not the same.
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sizehawk (anonymous) says…
Missou should stay. Who in the heck would we love to hate if they left?
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ku_foaf (anonymous) says…
Notre Dame should join the Big 10. They are waning as a dominant football school and won't be able to demand the big packages alone anymore. They are about the only independent left.
Really, I could care less if Missouri left, but they don't fit particularly in the Big 10(11). It makes more sense to me for Iowa St to join their cross state rival. Arkansas is a better fit into the Big 12 than the SEC, both by size and the fact that it is not a "real" southern state, OR located in the SE.
We could still play them in football every year, but I wouldn't bother with basketball ... if you all insist, maybe we could play in KC every year. That way we could continue to hear them whine about the advantage Kansas has when playing in their home state, a couple hrs from their campus.
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rawkhawk (anonymous) says…
Too much history. KU-MU goes back to the Missouri Valley Conference days. KU needs MU like Jerry needs Tom or the roadrunner needs the coyote. To celebrate the light side of the force you need the dark side.
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jross1972 (Joe Ross) says…
You dont need Mizzou in the conference to schedule games with them!!!
Have you guys forgotten what it means to hate mizzou??? get rid of them!
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goshenjhawk (anonymous) says…
thmdmph -- funny stuff:) I totally agree. I don't understand why people are so willing to give up one of the greatest college rivalries! Because face it, it wouldn't be the same if it had no bearing on conference standings, etc.
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Jayhawk444 (anonymous) says…
Arkansas would be the best fit for the Big 12 if the need arises. And geographically, it isn't difficult to place it in the North. But if they don't want to join? wow...hard to find another team that brings a lot, I think. At least one that makes sense geographically. We could fight back at the Big 10 and try to steal Iowa. There are the other old SWC teams - tcu, smu, Rice, Houston. Move OU to the North? why not? could be fun. But you start to stretch the geographic limits when you start talking UTEP, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming, or BYU. Remember ALL sports are involved. It takes $$ to charter flights for the women's volleyball team to go play in Provo. Interesting discussion, though. Personally...I'd like to see MU stay put. It adds to the rivalry.
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roc_chalk_a_fella (anonymous) says…
jross1972-----
of course we could still schedule games with them. that's not at issue.
but what about conference rankings, bragging rights, etc?
Big 12 tournament bragging rights?
Big 12 North bragging rights?
That's what being a rival is all about, holding things over each others' heads. we'd lose most of it. it's not enough to say we beat them this year or that. it's great to hold our number of conference championships over them.
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hawksince51 (anonymous) says…
As much as I dislike MU, I cannot imagine not having them in our Conference and Division. The Border War and dislike precedes, and is much larger than, mere sports. It would be a tragedy to have its significance fade by their leaving the Big 12.
I do concede that they are justified in their frustration about Bowl games. Of course I have enjoyed that as well. Hopefully, by letting the speculation run for awhile they are just trying to get some attention to that issue and are not seriously considering leaving the Big 12 for the Big 10 or 11 or whatever.
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TRUEHEART (anonymous) says…
I would not like to see Missouri go. It would be very hard to find a quality replacement. They do bring a quality opponent to the conference and to us. That's why there is a rivalry that has lasted 100 years. It would be imperative that the conference find a quality replacement to keep the conference viable and to maintain its high standing among other major conferences - and to keep the divisional structure and conference championship intact. Adding someone just to keep the number up is not going to help maintain the quality we need to maintain the quality to compete and compare favorably to other big-time conferences. We can't pick some weak sister member just because it's geographically convenient and hope they muscle up competitively. Pulling someone out of the Big 10 or SEC seems impossible to me. Hopefully we won't be going to the Texas schools. Texas has already exerted their influence over the rest of us - pushing the conference around ever since they joined - and I am sure they would like to have more Texas teams and influence in the conference - that wouldn't be good. They'll be lobbying for more Texas. I hope Missouri does not leave. (now I need to bang my head on the wall for sticking up for Missouri)
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KUFan90 (anonymous) says…
Mizzou boo hooing about the bowl selection process is just ridiculous. If they want to go to better bowls, then WIN your freaking games! They are looking for someone to point the finger at after being blown out by OU in the 07 and 08 B12 champ games? Yeah lots of sympathy available there for the poor tiggers...
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OakvilleJHawk (anonymous) says…
Maybe Mizzou and Notre Dame could both join the Big Ten and then they could call it The Big Baker's Dozen.....you know, creampuffs, donut holes, cupcakes, etc!!!!!!!!!!
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OakvilleJHawk (anonymous) says…
PS The most mentioned replacement is the Smurf Field Boise State Blues!!
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jhokfan (anonymous) says…
I wouldn't miss them but I can't see it being good for us. If they were replaced by TCU I think it would hurt our recruiting in Texas. If they were replaced by Colorado State it would make the north weaker.
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carterpatterson (anonymous) says…
I think Missouri would do great in Conference USA.
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huskercarpenter (anonymous) says…
misery has only itself to blame about the bowl games it is invited to. the reason i say this is, when they go to the bowl games very few fans of misery go to the bowl game. if they were in a national title game they would have maybe 3-5 thousand people go. nebr. sold their alotment of 11,000 tickets for the holiday bowl by 10 a.m. the morning they started selling the tickets. after that fans were being refered to arizona's web sight to buy tickets and also to the stadium web sight.
so, misery if you want better bowls game shut you trap and and start buying some damn tickets go to the game and spend some money in the cities where these games are being played, show them that they can make some money off of you and trust me you will get the bowl games that you would rather go to. take a lesson learned by k-state don't complain about the game you go to because that takes the focus off the game and chances are that you will end up losing like you almost did last year to northwestern a team that you should have blown out, and then you could have played some of the seniors that hardly got to play in any of the games let alone in a bowl game.
now grow up, because going from the big 12 to the little 11 is like taking 10 steps backwards
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actorman (anonymous) says…
Anyone who thinks it would be good for Misuse to leave the conference is nuts!!! i despise them as much as anyone, but it would hurt KU to lose its biggest rival, and it would most likely hurt the conference as a whole in many ways, geographically, athletically (yes, even that), etc. There's nothing better than beating the tiggers with the conference title on the line. I hope they don't leave.
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roc_chalk_a_fella (anonymous) says…
it would be awful for KU. imagine if Duke went to the SEC. so much for conference bragging rights battles every year with UNC.....
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OUfaninKUterritory (anonymous) says…
If the Big Ten wanted a team from the Big 12, I think it would make significantly more sense if they grabbed up Iowa State to put them in the same conference with Iowa. It works better geographically speaking and would provide more of an edge to the Iowa/Iowa State rivalry.
On the whole, though, Notre Dame and Pittsburgh would make better picks. But then would we have two Big 12 conferences or would the Big Ten keep their name and just be misleading?
Either way, Missouri needs to stay Big 12
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jayhawkjim80 (anonymous) says…
I love the rivalry too much to see the Tiggers go. I know we all don't like them, but the rivalry is too special to have to play it out in non-conference games. Frankly, their ego in this issue is mostly stoked by their snobby St Louis alums. Most Tigger friends I have don't want to see a move out of the Big 12.
To kuguyintarheelland - I hope you were joking about Wichita State being the best replacement if the Tiggers left. First and foremost, they don't have a football team any more! Haven't had one for a long time! A major conference isn't going to accept any school who doesn't play football, unless you're in the Big East I guess. Most of the Valley schools are 1-AA in football, the ones that play anyway. Heck if we're going to consider WSU, let's talk to UMKC as well. Please!
The only realistic choices geographically are Arkansas, Iowa, and Colo State. I don't want any more Texas schools either, unless Tech or Baylor leaves. I don't really see Ark or Iowa leaving their current conferences, so that leaves CSU, and they would have to build their programs considerably to compete in the Big 12. Jayhawk444 is right on when you start talking about other schools further away being somewhat cost prohibitive, not only for them, but for the current Big 12 schools also. This could potentially become a tough issue down the road. Rock Chalk!
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KU_Alumn_2000 (anonymous) says…
Cut Mizzou loose and bring in Missouri State !!!
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KUGuyInTarheelLand (anonymous) says…
The Big Ten has had 11 teams in their conference for a long time already. And kept the name. They would probably just keep the name I would imagine. Things would be so much easier if they would go after a team from the Big East. Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Cincinnati (Gasp...another Ohio school? Who woulda thought....)...any of those would be just as good of a match Academically and Athletically as Missouri would.
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KUGuyInTarheelLand (anonymous) says…
Jayhawkjim:
Forgot they didn't have a football team. I completely retract that suggestion lol.
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Jayhawksrule2009 (anonymous) says…
Yes
Either the Missouri Tigers or the Texas Long Horns. Everybody thinks that the State of Texas recruits the best players. I got news for those people. Everybody in the United States has awesome recruits. It just depends when they get to start. If they start as a Freshmen. then yes. But if they have to wait till there a sophmore or a Junior. They just try to give up even trying to play football
But guys no. Texas does not have the best recruites. All States do
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roc_chalk_a_fella (anonymous) says…
jayhawkjim80-- i don't see Iowa leaving the Big 10, as the big 10 doesn't want to gain a school just to lose another. they wouldn't let that happen.
would be neat, though
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kenshinU (anonymous) says…
Mizzou leaving the Big 12 is a bad idea. People say we can schedule the game every year as a non-con, but let's be realistic. We would be taking away a game. The fans on both sides deserve the border war. Especially in basketball where we play twice a year. Come on! KU Mizzou only once! Texas and Oklahoma have their annual rivalry, we have ours. To send a team out of conference is saying that we don't really care about it. It's the best game for either team all season. As a few before have said it's great publicity. Border War at Arrowhead. Considering the Chiefs aren't pulling crowds, it's a guarantee that the game there is gonna be sold out. Think about how many recruits have decided on KU strictly because of the Border War! How can anyone justify giving up the only rivalry in all of college sports that actually began in combat? The fans deserve better than that.
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TRUEHEART (anonymous) says…
People keep mentioning Colorado State (CSU) as a replacement if Missouri leaves. I'll say again - they cannot compete effectively in their own Mountain West Conference. - they were 0-8 this year. They probably look attractive because of their geographic proximity but that can't be the primary criteria. I went to one of their games this year - about 10,000 to 15,000 fans in attendance and probably some from visitor's school. They are 40 miles from CU. CU has the Denver TV market. Others in that conference may bring more to the table.
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mikendal (anonymous) says…
Trueheart,
Good point about Colorado State--my first thought, when reading the above posts, were that CSU might fit in. Then, again, maybe not. Missouri State might be a possibility--at least they have football. Wichita State would be cool because they want to play K-State and KU in basketball so bad. Unfortunately, they do not have a football program. Creighton is in the same boat as Wichita State. So, who replaces Missouri if they leave? Good question--who knows.
If Missouri leaves, that would be sad, in a way. When I grew up watching the Hawks in AFH, it was great screaming at their coach, "Storming" Norman. Watching their big guy Steve Stiponovich (spelling), literally, duking it out with our Jayhawks--priceless! That's what I will miss the most.
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justanotherfan (anonymous) says…
From a Big XII perspective, losing MU would hurt because there isn't a comparable replacement.
There aren't any other comparable schools in Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska or Colorado to replace them with. Colorado State is a bad fit because they really are on a lower level than CU in pretty much every respect. That would be a huge drop off for the conference to add them. It would hurt the rest of the conference in terms of overall conference strength.
If MU left we would have to steal either Iowa or Arkansas to not falter prestigewise as a conference. I know a lot of people hate Mizzou to the point that they can't see that losing MU would hurt KU, but its true.
If the SEC were going to lose Arkansas, I can assure you they wouldn't pursue Memphis as a replacement. Why? Because Memphis is strong only in basketball. In pretty much every other sport, you can't consider Memphis a major conference contender. I'd make that same argument against Colorado State, TCU, Rice, Houston, New Mexico, New Mexico St., etc. Although some of those schools have a strong program in one or two sports, overall, they couldn't be considered a major D-I program across the board.
The reason the old SWC faltered was ultimately that half its teams (tcu, smu, Rice, Houston) didn't have the resources to compete in every sport consistently. Texas, Tech, and A&M have those resources. Baylor has a strong, powerful alumni base. That's why the Big XII formed. To take in one of the schools we originally left behind because they weren't strong enough would be a dangerous move.
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justanotherfan (anonymous) says…
Moreover, the geography hurts.
Big XII country is the Mississippi to the Rockies (of the 16 major conference programs in that area, only Minnesota, Iowa, Arkansas and LSU aren't in the Big XII).
SEC country is the old south - more or less the Mason Dixon line to the Atlantic.
The ACC stays towards the coast, with every school in a state that borders the Atlantic, from Boston to Miami.
The Big East (in football anyway) lost its identity when Miami, BC, and Va. Tech left. In basketball, the Big East still rules the north Atlantic coast (whereas the ACC is more southern), but losing BC (and the geographical rivalries with Syracuse and the NYC area schools in basketball) really hurt their geographical image.
The Pac-10 rules the west beyond the Rockies.
Then there is the Big 10. Big 10 country should be the Great Lakes states - Minnesota, Indiana, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania. In fact, every current Big 10 member school is in a state that borders a Great Lake except Iowa (though Iowa is bordered by Illinois, Minnesota and Wisconsin)
That's why, geographically, Notre Dame, Pitt and Cincinnati make the most sense (although the Big East wouldn't be happy about that). I agree with those above who say ND should join the Big 10, or lose their spot in the BCS in football. Right now, ND is no better, actually appreciably worse, than TCU, Utah, BYU, Boise St and probably a few other WAC, MWC and even Sun Belt teams. So why should they be automatically considered for the BCS, even though their schedule has weakened significantly the last few years under Weis?
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gammimc (anonymous) says…
Let MU go, we can still schedule them and keep the oldest continous rivalry west of the Mississippi going.
As for replacements, how about Arkansas? I believe they would be a good fit.
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kubu9 (anonymous) says…
Missouri would be much better off financially in the Big 10, which A) generates much more money than the Big 12, and B) shares revenue equally among all member schools. Financially speaking, it would be foolish for Mizzou to turn down an invitation to the Big 10.
That being said, Missouri would be a fair-to-middling team at best in football there with little to no shot to ever win a conference championship. They would probably fare much better in basketball, where their "fastest 40 minutes" would turn the conference known for the slowest 40 minutes in basketball upside down. They could average 42.8 ppg as a team and win the Big 10, but still would struggle to make it to their first final four ever, let alone win a national championship.
I think the Big 10 would probably only turn to them as a last resort (if and when ND, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pittsburgh, and others turn them down). I would certainly miss the tradition of the border war and the old Big 8 and the Big 12 and all the years of in-conference competition (sorry, rivalries just aren't the same when they are in different conferences). Money talks, though, so if they get the invite I think we can wave goodbye to the tigers.
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justanotherfan (anonymous) says…
MU in football would be just as good in the Big 10 as they are in the Big XII. In the Big XII, MU struggles to compete with Oklahoma and Texas (just like everyone else). In the Big 10, no one is like OU and Texas, except maybe Ohio State. Michigan is down. MSU, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois? Don't consider any of them threats. Penn State? What happens when JoePa leaves? Wisconsin? Decent, but not great.
So MU would have a showdown with Ohio State, and the Big 10 crown might very well be theirs. Rose Bowl bids available every year.
This is just my opinion, but MU would have a better shot of catching tOSU than catching both Texas and Oklahoma, especially with Rich Rod running Michigan into the ground.
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PikesPeakSmitty (anonymous) says…
There's a difference between a 'friendly' rivalry and one of pure hate. I have fun beating the Wildcats, but don't want anything to do with Methsewery.
I want nothing of their fans. We're better off as a conference without them. They spit on our players, kick out and beat up our fans in Columbia, bring scandal to the conference (ala. Ricky Clemens).
Bring on TCU, Colorado State (who wants to party in Ft. Collins?), New Mexico, Iowa, or Arkansas.
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lance1jhawk (anonymous) says…
Note to Mizzou... Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out.
We can still schedule a Tiger beat down on a regular basis.
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hawkman1031 (anonymous) says…
There are replacements. TCU or Arkansas
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KUPAUL (anonymous) says…
One thing is for sure....those mizzou "pro combat" jerseys (pictured above) are sweet!!!! I think those uniforms alone are worth two points....
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TRUEHEART (anonymous) says…
I had a comment and response, but I am still taking the geography test from justanotherfan.
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kustrong (anonymous) says…
If screw mizzou goes, then it seems to me that the Big XII should try to pick up one of the following schools: Memphis, Utah, Houston, Boise State, or Notre Dame. Those are quality schools that would bring good football and basketball teams to the conference. If screw mizzou wants out, then go.
Rock Chalk
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oceanvger55 (anonymous) says…
We need a break from them mis sour babies, let them go and be part of the losers in the big ten
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hawkward1 (anonymous) says…
Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. Buh-bye. We can then pick up Arkansas or someone else. Yes, we do still need a TV network and per school profits like the Big 10 has - that has nothing to do with whether Misery stays or goes. Thanks to their AD for sharing those comparative numbers though.
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StillwaterJhawk (anonymous) says…
Every year we hear MU complaining about their Bowl bid. The answer from the Bowl organizers is always the same, they want the team with the fans that travel better. I just can't see them getting past Ohio State but if they did, would the fans travel to the Rose Bowl any better than to someplace in Texas? Maybe a little more but I doubt it. HA, they'd probably win in the year the Rose Bowl is the BCS Championship game and still not get to go. Anything so they can complain about how little respect they get. Twice now I've sat with my kids in the KU section at the KU MU game only to have a bunch of belligerent, drunk MU fans, mostly students who can't figure out how to select "best available in the MU Section" siting around us and making the game an "R" rated event, I wonder why they don't get any respect?
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lighthawk (anonymous) says…
Folks it isn't about the bowl games or bowl locations it is about the money honey.
MU received approx. $12m from Big 12 & Illinois prox. $21m from Big Ten. Which do you want?
This Big 10 lucrative TV contract is not dependant upon your school bowl revenue or how often your school is on TV. In our conf. Texas, on TV the most, gets lion share of our conf. monies. However, the $$ in Big 10 it is split evenly.
This is not counting the extra $5-6m in Federal grant dollars that each Big 10 conf. school splits
You can have a conf. like major league baseball where NY and PHilly and Atlanta get richer or a conf. like NFL where teams split revenues equally. Longhorns = Yankees, very happy at small school expense. Buckeyes = Cowboys/Packers.
This is why Jerry 'big money' Jones in DFW is unhappy & willing to encourage NFL labor union strike next year to have uneven NFL split of the pie as end result. If his side & big market franchises wins, then NFL turns into major league baseball. Back to college.....
If it is about the $$$ and they get invited, they and anyone else (except Texas which has the hometown sweetheart Yankee type Big 12 deal) would go, leave the big 12 and not look back.
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KURocksChalk (anonymous) says…
The tough thing for Misery is that they have two pro teams in the state and Misery U is a nice crappy drive down I-70 for both major cities. Gives folks a lot of football to choose from. Wish both of those teams were doing well, might deplete from the misery's temporary rise to mediocrity.
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