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11:55 p.m. Update

Overall, a rather quiet evening. Figured as much for a Friday night. Still, you know the wheels are turning in Big 12 country and that everyone who isn't already secure is working overtime to find their next home.

The most recent rumor has UT, Texas Tech, OU and Okie State ready to follow Colorado to the Pac-10. An announcement is expected on Tuesday. At this point, I'd be surprised if this didn't happen.

That leaves KU the weekend to sell itself to the Pac-10, which shouldn't be hard to do with A&M stalling.

I'm sure some stuff will happen over the weekend and I'll be checking in as often as possible when it does. Most likely, however, it will be in the form of rumors so I'm also planning to rest up so I can be ready to hit it hard again Monday morning.

Stay tuned in to KUsports.com throughout the weekend for any major movement and get ready to get serious again come Monday. Who knows, maybe KU will jump the rest of them and become the second team into the Pac-10 with an announcement Monday instead of the last team in on Wednesday or Thursday.

Thanks for all the help and contributions to this blog this week. Great stuff!!!!

3:55 p.m. Update

Jayhawk nation, your prayers have been answered. Conference USA is preparing to "compete for the remaining Big 12 members if the meltdown continues to a full implosion." That's according to a statement from East Carolina Athletic Director Terry Holland.

OK, so maybe that's not your prayer. But hey, someone wants the Big 12 leftovers and isn't afraid to say so.

In other news, The Oklahoman is reporting that Oklahoma has decided to leave the Big 12 Conference, but will wait for Texas to make the formal announcement.

ESPN's Joe Schad is reporting that Oklahoma State and Texas Tech will also be leaving for the Pac-10 (or does that make it the Pac-15?), once Texas announces its intentions.

3:35 p.m. Update

Dan Beebe will hold a teleconference at 4:20 p.m. We'll live blog it for you here.

The Big Ten Network will air the 5 p.m. Nebraska press conference and stream it live on www.bigtennetwork.com.

3:27 p.m. Update

Iowa State officials have issued an update to alumni and fans via their website, saying how "deeply disappointed" they are in Colorado and Nebraska for leaving the Big 12. Here's an excerpt:

In the past two days, the University of Colorado and the University of Nebraska have announced that they are leaving the Big 12 Conference for other affiliations. We are deeply disappointed in their decisions, and we are concerned about how those decisions impact Iowa State University.

Over the next several days, the presidents and directors of athletics of the Big 12 member institutions will be discussing options and potential initiatives that we may take in order to move forward in light of the Colorado and Nebraska decisions. Be assured, we will continue to do everything in our power to represent the best interests of Iowa State University in these discussions; it is also important to understand that actions taken by other member institutions are beyond our control. Read the full letter.

3:16 p.m. Update

Kansas Governor Mark Parkinson has given a statement to KUSports.com's Scott Rothschild expressing his confidence in KU and K-State leaders:

"The University of Kansas and Kansas State University are world-class institutions with premier academic, research and athletic programs. Although it appears uncertain whether they will stay in the Big XII or align with a different athletic conference, I am confident that Chancellor Gray-Little and President Schulz, working with the Board of Regents, will make a choice that's in the best interests of their student-athletes, their world-class universities and our state."

2:41 p.m. Update

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are ready to join the Pac-10 as early as Tuesday, according to @ESPNEWS.

Orangebloods.com is reporting that four Big 12 South teams are "locked and loaded to join the Pac-10" and that a formal announcement date is set. The exclusion of Texas A&M in that list means a possible move to the SEC for the Aggies, which could open up a spot for KU in the Pac-10.

Also, according to @Huskers, the Nebraska press conference is now going to happen at 5 p.m.

2:07 p.m. Update

Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman addresses Board of Regents and requests permission to allow NU to apply for application to the Big Ten. Perlman indicates that the Big Ten has basically said that it would accept NU's application.

Doesn't get much more telling than that.

Several media outlets are also reporting that NU has officially accepted an invitation from the Big Ten. More to come, as there are now rumors of a 4:45 p.m. press conference.

1:53 p.m. Update

Chip Brown, of orangebloods.com, is reporting via Twitter that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are prepared to join the Pac-10 once Nebraska to the Big Ten becomes official.

Brown, who has been right about nearly everything he's reported in the past week or so, also says that Texas will announce its plans to head west after a meeting with the regents on Tuesday.

One note of interest regarding these reports: No mention of Texas A&M.

More to come as that official Nebraska announcement has to be coming any minute now.

1:35 p.m. Update

610 Sports radio in Kansas City is reporting that Missouri athletic officials are meeting at the moment and that they will speak to the media at a news conference this afternoon.

What more the Tigers can say at this point is anybody's guess. It's been reported that MU does not have an invitation to the Big Ten and it seems likely that it will not receive one.

With that in mind, MU, like Kansas, is probably exploring all options, not the least of which is remaining in the Big 12.

More to come.

1:11 p.m. Update

Could this be good news for the future of the Big 12 and Kansas?

CNBC has released an article that indicates that the kind of revenue the Pac-10 is discussing regarding a television network for a 16-team conference might not be as much as they're saying. That alone — along with any perceived inaccurate persuasions — could be enough to make the remaining Big 12 schools think twice about heading west.

12:45 p.m. Update

At this point, I'm not sure that Nebraska's expected announcement that they're headed to the Big Ten has much of an impact on how KU, the Big 12 or the Texas schools will proceed. I'm pretty sure all three parties have been moving forward as if NU was out since Wednesday.

Still, those of you interested in following along with the Nebraska Board of Regents' 1 p.m. meeting, can do so here.

More to come.

12:36 p.m. Update

Here's a look at the latest information:

• The Associated Press is reporting that the University of Texas regents have called a meeting for Tuesday to discuss the school's conference future. It's been reported that they may be poised to make a decision at that time.

• Chip Brown, of Rivals.com site orangebloods.com, has reported that SEC Commissioner Mike Slive has offered to move two current SEC schools — Alabama and Auburn — to the SEC East to accommodate the potential inclusion of Texas and Texas A&M in the SEC West. If this is true, SEC probably just passed the Big Ten as the second most aggressive conference out there. Heck, the Big Ten could even be fourth, now that the Mountain West has landed Boise State.

• Something that just occurred to me: With the addition of Boise State strengthening the Mountain West, that could entice Utah to stay put. What might that mean? Well, if any of those Big 12 south schools rumored to the Pac-10 decide to go elsewhere, that opens up a spot for KU in the Pac-10. Considering the fact that the Pac-10 is on record as saying it would look at Utah or KU as alternate options, Utah staying in the MWC would be great news for Kansas.

12:12 p.m. Update

Another team and another conference have made the next splash in the whole conference realignment deal.

ESPN News just reported that Boise State has agreed to leave the WAC and join the Mountain West.

Not sure what kind of impact this has for KU or the Big 12 — hopefully not much. But it's definitely interesting to note and it definitely adds to the MWC's football pedigree.

I talked with a couple of Mountain West officials yesterday and both said that the conference would be very aggressive from here on out. Clearly, this move demonstrates that they were serious.

I know KU wants the MWC to be a worst-case scenario, but if the MWC brings something substantial to the table, KU has to listen.

The thing this tells me more than anything else is that we're in for another crazy day of realignment movement. Boise likely made this move out of the same urgency that Colorado felt in heading to the Pac-10. Boise likes the MWC and had interest in ending up there. But if the Big 12 dissolves and the MWC took the leftovers, Boise may have been left out in the cold. Not now. Boise State is in a bigger conference and that conference is now one step closer to becoming a BCS conference.

Very interesting.

Here's the official release from the Mountain West Conference:

The Mountain West Conference announced today that Boise State University has accepted an invitation to join the MWC as its 10th member institution, effective July 1, 2011. "We are pleased and excited to welcome Boise State University to the Mountain West Conference," said Commissioner Craig Thompson. "Since our inception just 11 short years ago, the Mountain West has experienced tremendous success, and the addition of Boise State will further enhance that strength. The MWC continues to strategize regarding potential membership scenarios and bringing Boise State into the Conference is an important part of that evolution."

"The invitation to join the Mountain West Conference reflects the excellence that Boise State University has demonstrated academically and athletically," said Boise State President Robert Kustra. "It will be a privilege to compete and partner with such a successful group of member institutions. This move is in the best interests of Boise State's future, and the university is excited to be part of one of the nation's most outstanding conferences."

The Mountain West Conference was founded with eight members in 1998. Boise State is the second institution to join the Mountain West since that time; TCU became a member in 2005.

More to come.

11:44 a.m. Update

KU women's basketball coach Bonnie Henrickson offered up an interesting analogy for all this conference realignment talk. Henrickson referred to the situation as a "roller coaster."

"We tell freshmen all the time to try to stay off the roller coaster," Henrickson said. "Well that's kind of hard right now because you go to bed one night hearing something, reading something and you wake up and it's different and everybody's texting you and panicking."

Henrickson, who has been through realignment talks twice before — once as an assistant when Virginia Tech moved into the Big East and once as a head coach when Va. Tech left the Big East for the ACC — said the current situation reminded her more of the first time because there's so much uncertainty and so many parties involved.

"When we went Big East to ACC, we had a good home and we knew we were going to have a good home, whatever happened," she said. "I don't sleep quite as well at night right now. But, you know, you've gotta control what you can control and recruit like crazy. We've got a lot of people here (for elite camp) from Texas saying they want the league like it is, and we want the same thing."

Asked if she agreed with KU men's coach Bill Self, who said Thursday that landing anywhere other than a major conference was "not an option," Henrickson didn't hesitate to answer.

"We all feel that way," she said. "Absolutely not. With what this institution has, what this athletic department has, what we have already done and what we're on the verge of being able to do, absolutely not."

One interesting note that has surfaced has indicated that if the Big 12 makes it through the weekend without any more departures, the outlook of keeping the league together increases significantly.

The conference's remaining athletic directors are rumored to be meeting in Dallas this weekend. Getting them all together in the same room certainly will help with the communication but as both Lew Perkins and chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little have pointed out in recent days, this issue may be decided at the chancellor/president level and not by the ADs.

More to come.

11:17 a.m. Update

Nothing new happening at the moment, but here are a few interesting notes we've tracked down.

• Colorado associate AD said CU would be open to scheduling Nebraska in non-conference games going forward. CU and NU have played each other in football on the Friday following Thanksgiving for the past several years and it looks like that tradition — not that anyone cares about traditions anymore — might not be dead yet.

• Nebraska officials have said that they expect today's 1 p.m. meeting to take around an hour. After that, NU athletic director Tom Osborne is expected to speak.

• ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit said the following this morning on ESPN News, a clear indication of what greed can get you. "(Big Ten Commissioner) Jim Delany started all this but the Pac-10 has kind of stolen the show. If the Big Ten can't land Notre Dame now, it finishes a distant second to the Pac-10 in this whole conference realignment thing."

• Speaking of CU and the Pac-10, Colorado officials have said they're not sure what the penalty for leaving the Big 12 will be — most likely because if the Big 12 dissolves there might not be anyone left to collect the penalty payment, which is 50 percent of revenue earned while still in the conference with two years notice and a sliding scale of 70, 80 and 90 percent if less than two years notice is given. One interesting thing that has been noted is that CU plans to have discussions with the Pac-10 about its new conference paying some of that penalty.

10:03 a.m. Update

Interesting stuff from former Texas A&M football coach, R.C. Slocum, who now works as a special adviser to A&M's president.

It's been reported that A&M is one of the Big 12 schools in the worst shape financially, with debt piling up fast and furious. With that in mind, Slocum's comments make plenty of sense and may tip the Aggies' hand just a bit.

"You look at the level of funding that all programs need to have, and it's a business decision that universities now have to make," Slocum told The Associated Press.

Slocum said any decision A&M makes will be based purely on its financial impact, and not on more intangible elements, like preserving traditions and rivalries.

I'm not sure whether this indicates which conference the Aggies will wind up in. But it does seem to tell us something — they'll be aligning with the highest bidder.

9:14 a.m. Update

OK, so by now we surely know one thing: This whole deal is about money, right?

Well then... Who has more of it than Oklahoma State alum T. Boone Pickens? Very few people, I'm guessing. And even fewer people who have such a great interest in college athletics.

With that in mind, here's a look at Pickens' thoughts about expansion and realignment. I'm not saying what he says/wants will ultimately matter, but maybe there's some sort of Pickens Broadcasting Network on the horizon that could help save the Big 12. Hey, Ted Turner did it.

More to come as we tick toward 1 p.m., when Nebraska is expected to have a news conference to announce its intentions to head to the Big Ten.

Original Post, 6 a.m.

Good morning, Big 12 fans. How much further will your conference fall apart today?

If the last two days are any indication, the answer could be a lot.

First Nebraska was confirmed to be headed to the Big Ten, an announcement we’re expecting to hear today from NU officials. Then, Colorado jumped the Big Red by becoming the first team to bolt the Big 12, a move CU made official on Thursday.

So which will be the next school to make a move? Reports Thursday indicated that Oklahoma State was ready to become the next school to accept an offer from the Pac-10, but the Cowboys softened on that stance as the day went on. OSU now appears to be back in the boat with the rest of the teams in the south, who are considering to move to the Pac-10 in unison or to head their separate ways.

OK, now that that’s clear — it is, right? — let’s kick off the day with a couple of reports that surfaced late Thursday night.

The first comes from the Austin American Statesman regarding the future of the Pac-10. Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott told reporters that the league would not mind stopping at 11 schools, now that it has added Colorado. Don’t buy it. Although they’ve remained rather innocent throughout all this, the Pac-10 has had a calculated plan for expansion and has been executing it quietly and to perfection. These latest comments from Scott are likely just a way of putting pressure on the Big 12 schools who are still trying to decide what to do.

Feeling the most heat might be A&M, which has serious designs on at least exploring what the SEC has to offer. That could be to KU’s benefit, as a move by A&M to the SEC would open the door for KU to slide into its spot in the Pac-10 merger. The Pac-10 has been rumored to be interested in KU or Utah (seriously), as alternates to the five schools it outlined originally to join Colorado.

As far as KU’s concerned, not only should the Jayhawks be talking to the Pac-10, Big Ten and Big 12 to find out which conference will have them, they should also be talking to the SEC, encouraging them to take — or at least stall — A&M.

This Dallas Morning News report spells out the scenario that could have Texas and Texas A&M, bitter rivals for decades, going their separate ways.

For every one of these reports and rumors there’s at least two or three others that refute what these are saying.

That’s why we’re here. Stay tuned in to KUsports.com throughout the day for the latest reports from around Big 12 country.

Will today follow in Wednesday and Thursday’s footsteps? Or will things quiet down for a little while?

More to come.

Comments

DutchMo 10 years, 7 months ago

Pretty sure Colorado and Nebraska are going to the Big10 not Big XII.

lv_jhwk 10 years, 7 months ago

While I think I know what you were trying to point out Dutch, you still didn't manage to do any better.

Yes, Nebraska is headed to the Big 10, but it is Colorado who is joining the Pac-10.

DutchMo 10 years, 7 months ago

It says Colarodo is leaving the Big Red not Pac Ten.

Jonathan Allison 10 years, 7 months ago

"It says Colarodo is leaving the Big Red not Pac Ten."

I always get the feeling that Dutch knows exactly what's true and says the opposite just to get everyone riled up.

So, I'm not going to criticize this particular comment in this particular reply more so than saying "Consider revision."

Chris Bailey 10 years, 7 months ago

I assume since you are on this site you have internet access. So that would lead me to believe you could look the truth up on another site. A typo doesn't point the footsteps of Colorado and Nebraska. Colorado is going to the PAC-10 they announced yesterday and it was all over the news. How you missed that I'm not sure. Nebraska is going to the Big-10 that is a rumor until the offically annouce today.

DutchMo 10 years, 7 months ago

I admit I was wrong about Colorado and the Big10 above I was typing too fast OK PlastciJHawk? But the article says quote "Colorado jumped the Big Red by becoming the first teams to bolt the big 12" should say "Pac Ten".

Nebraska is definitely going to the Big 10 though, just waiting for the annoucnement.

FTC_Jayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

OMG... Do us all a favor and unplug your keyboard, or come back when you have developed basic reading comprehension skills.

Ender94 10 years, 7 months ago

No, it says Colorado jumped the Big Red (Nebraska) by announcing CU's departure to the PAC 10 before NU could announce to the Big 10, which was expected to happen first.

Eric Williams 10 years, 7 months ago

Thank you Ender.

How can Colorado "bolt the Pac 10" when they are not even a member?

So much has been written on this issue in the past 2 weeks, Tait was probably presuming if you're reading this post, then you KNOW that Colorado accepted a Pac 10 offer.

bnet0000 10 years, 7 months ago

Why is KU not considering a move to the SEC... If it's the cost of doing so then I understand, but What the Hell? SEC would put us on TV more then any conference...

jchief40 10 years, 7 months ago

Exactly! It seems to me that would be the most desirable as you'd be playing in the best football conference and basketball-wise to have a rivalry with UK every year would be pretty sweet. Seems to be though, unfortunately, that the only person mentioning the SEC is ESPN's Andy Katz.

Ron Prichard 10 years, 7 months ago

Who says we're not? Also, the conference has to WANT you. KU can't just say, we'll become a member of the __ and it magically happens. I would love to become a member of one of the remaining power conferences, but we have to look at it from the eyes of the conference and not KU. What will KU bring to the conference? Answer that question and then we have some options.

lawrencetechguy 10 years, 7 months ago

I don't think the SEC wants nothing to do with KU. KU brings none of the top 20 TV markets to the table. Also, the SEC is known first and foremost as a football conference and KU is not a traditional powerhouse in football.

Its tough to say, but having a good basketball program doesn't do much for you in these kinds of arguments. Its all about football and TV contracts.

At this point, I think KU will end up in the Mountain West.

selfishhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

I agree. I sure hope KU officials are out lobbying the big schools that we are worth taking.

Ben Kane 10 years, 7 months ago

man, this has been a long week!

somehow, as always, I feel re-assured by coach self's words.

NH_JHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

I agree to an extent. The only thing that scares the hell out of me about Self's words are that landing in a mid-major is "not an option." If we land in the Mountain West and that conference doesn't pick up BCS status, then I feel anything but reassured.

Ann Oneill 10 years, 7 months ago

It's been a long week, and its getting longer....

Jonathan Allison 10 years, 7 months ago

After reports came out yesterday that Texas and Texas A&M were petitioning for inclusion in the Big 10 expansion, I didn't hear anything else on the issue.

I can't imagine how that scenario would be so mum. If I'm the Big 10 and Texas wants in, I'm gonna do everything I can to find a way to get them in. Because we didn't hear an uproar about this I'm going to assume that the rumors were false.

I hope that the reason that the Ok State rumors and the UT/A&M rumors quieted down yesterday is because the 10 remaining members of the Big 12 are considering just replacing Nebraska and Colorado and moving on.

Chris Bailey 10 years, 7 months ago

I heard the same rumors of Texas and the Big-10 and I too am betting those were rumors. I mean the Big-10 would be nuts not to want Texas. hope they pick them up that would give KU a shot in the PAC-10. I think the Big-12 is dead sadly. I too have been a fan my whole life but it looks as if that is a distant memory starting in 2012.

Chris Bailey 10 years, 7 months ago

I heard the same rumors of Texas and the Big-10 and I too am betting those were rumors. I mean the Big-10 would be nuts not to want Texas. hope they pick them up that would give KU a shot in the PAC-10. I think the Big-12 is dead sadly. I too have been a fan my whole life but it looks as if that is a distant memory starting in 2012.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

I don't think there were any legs to that Texas Big 10 rumor other than the Big 10 wanting Texas. Chip Brown on orangebloods.com has been spot on with his reporting with everything that is going on. Not sure whom his sources are but he seems to know exactly what Texas is doing and not once has mentioned the Big 10. Our best bet at this point is to hope for a breakup between A&M and UT.

RonBurgandy 10 years, 7 months ago

Of course the Big 10 wants Texas. Any conference would want them. Texas pretty much has an outstanding invite to a conference of their choosing, and they can write their own ticket.

I would just be really surprised to see Texas in the Big 10, but I guess geography means diddly nowadays. It's just messed up.

denverhawker 10 years, 7 months ago

Whomever it is that bolts from the conference, farewell. I have been a big 8/big 12 fan my whole life. I think the core of the conference should rebuild instead of bolt to other conferences. Let's keep the big 8/big 12!

hawksince51 10 years, 7 months ago

I have been a Big 7/8/12 fan my whole life as well and hate this whole fiasco. However, reality tells me the Big 12 is done for. So, KU needs to focus its energies on the best future conference for us instead of trying to revive a dead patient. That would appear to be the Pac 10 in spite of the geographic challenges. The Big 10 makes more sense geographically, but it does not appear to be an option. And since I also live in CO I prefer to go with CU so I can see KU play B-ball every year in Boulder and F-ball every other year. After all, isn't self-interest what this whole thing is about?

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

I'm with you (also in Denver metro). I wish the Mountain West was a BCS conference, because it would be really cool to go watch KU play football at Air Force. But I'll take a BCS conference 1st.

hawksince51 10 years, 7 months ago

Not only AF, but CSU and WY. Not a BCS as you say, but if all else fails I could learn to love driving I-25.

Chris Bailey 10 years, 7 months ago

I am sure hoping that we can get in one of these conferences, Pac-10, Big-10, SEC, or ACC. I am really worried about our place in college athetics at this point. I sure hope the atheletics department and administration can convince a power conference that we are worth taking. This is very scary, imagine recruiting if we were to end up in the mountain west. A non-BCS conference.... Something tells me Bill Self will bolt if that happens. I hope and pray that we can get us a seat in another power conference soon or somehow keep the Big-12 together which is a long shot at best.

rawkhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

I am hopeful that KU will remain in a BCS conference that makes geographic sense. This could be achieved by an expanded PAC-20 or whatever as outlined by Keegan with a west and central division. (as a Colorado resident, I would like this to continue making trips to Boulder to root on the 'Hawks). Another option is the Big 12 replaces CU and NU and carries on. Any other scenario (MWC, Big East, SEC, ACC, etc.) seems not as ideal. There are natural rivalries with neighboring states...KU regularly playing San Diego State, Rutgers, Georgia, Duke, etc. doesn't make a lot of sense.

Jonathan Kealing 10 years, 7 months ago

Hey all. Yes, we typoed. But it's fixed now. Sorry if we induced any heart palpitations. There's certainly enough drama already without us adding to it!

Hank Cross 10 years, 7 months ago

Utah has been a target of the P10 b/c it strengthens the P10 in the Moutain West time zone and has a destination location. Utah, however, isn't going anywhere w/o BYU. Utah's president is BYU grad and LDS. It's no secret that the LDS pretty much runs the State of Utah and they won't have BYU sleighted. In turn, the UC schools especially Cal and Stanford don't want BYU b/c of cultural reasons, or religious bigotry, however you want to look at it.

That leaves the door wide open for KU if one of the 5 bolt to another confernce. Who knows, the P10 might even pull TT's invite and invite KSU. That way they still get UT, but the state of TX only gets one vote and the KS schools (who will do anything to stay in the good graces of the original P10) will get two. That would be funny.

utahjayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

You make some good points, oxcal, but I think you're off on other points. I've lived in SLC for 4 years and the notion that Utah and BYU are joined at the hip is not accurate. In actuality, there is a great rivalry between the schools and open disdain most of the time.

The issue is that BYU considers Utah U to be full of worldly heathens and not in keeping with the tenets of the LDS religion (apostates). Utah considers BYU to be religious bigots and known to always portary themselves as "holier than thou". The religion issue fuels the rivalry greatly. The other factor that doesn't get much play is that BYU is not known as a strong research institution and Utah is, to a degree, with strong medical and pharmacy programs. That would be an important consideration for the Pac10 schools to consider.

However, as I sit here on a cold, rainy SLC day in my KU shirt, sweatshirt and drinking out of my KU cup, I hope that we steal the last Pac16 East slot if A&M goes to the SEC. But Utah is still very much a player.

William Weissbeck 10 years, 7 months ago

A few things from my perspective here in Chicago. The national media barely cares about all of this, considers it a foregone decision, and doesn't care who gets hurt in the process. Remember places like the U of I, Indiana and Northwestern are just hangers on. A great year for them is finishing behind OSU, Penn State and Michigan. Maybe I misunderstand the function of the NCAA, but surely the naked appearance of a money grab is not a good thing for college sports, especially on the same day that USC goes on probation. The funny thing is that the Pac 10 probably needs the Big 12 more than vice versa (with USC gone they have no high profile program in the wings). The Big 12 should have been negotiating for the benefit of all it's members.

rob4lb 10 years, 7 months ago

Living in Houston, I really get the impression that A&M (fans and administration) wants to be separated from UT. I think the prefer the SEC and UT (always arrogant), does not think SEC schools meet their academic standards. Obviously if A&M does not go to the PAC-10, a slot opens up. I wonder if A&M is out if, Texas Tech has to be part of the package for UT to join the PAC-10. I think the PAC-10 has been clear that it does not religious affiliated schools like Baylor. I would imagine they would prefer to only have UT out of Texas and expand into other new markets.

Gregory Newman 10 years, 7 months ago

I live in Oakland, Cal. Any of the Texas schools that come to the Pac ten are going to find themselves in a dilemma. West coast folks are not into viewing college football. Its all about Sunday ball (NFL). I bet you a $100 versus your half a penny that they won't be getting the money that they may think. UW can't get their home city Seattle pumped up. Its about the seahawks. One must remember when the WAC had 16 teams. Yea it broke into some becoming the MWC.

Sweet_Sandbags 10 years, 7 months ago

Ugghh. Suffering from massive rumor/speculation fatigue over the past couple of days.

Enjoy the continued hourly news cycle on this one folks. See you in a few days after UT/aTm make their decisions "official". Until then, just too murky a picture.

RCJGKU

DutchMo 10 years, 7 months ago

I know my head feel like it is going to explode lol! I hope we get this figured out before the weekend so I can enjoy it at least, but i doubt it right now.

KCHawk81 10 years, 7 months ago

Question for anyone in the know: Let's say only eight schools or fewer leave the conference. Could the remaining schools collect the penalties from each school and THEN disband to go their separate ways, or does imposing the fines oblige the remainders to stick together as the Big 12 for some period of time?

Beakem77 10 years, 7 months ago

I've got friends who went to 8 of the 12 big XII schools. I grew up in Oklahoma, grad from KU... my friends from CU/NU I won't be able to taunt anymore. Our rivalry is null... If all the south bolts its truly going to be a sad sad day. Why on earth is the mid-con breaking up? What makes us powerful & unique is that we aren't on the east or the west coast - that we are in close proximity to each other, that we are the backbone of this country's stability, that we all know each other and love playing the games with each other - we all grew up together & we all work together... We are footballl country, we are basketball country - we invented the sport. & thats too f-ing bad all the admins have forgotten that. Thanks for destroying my life long bonds via sports for the $, appreciate it.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 7 months ago

my faith in the college athletics has been seriously disturbed by this whole thing. KU not being pursued is complete b.s., regardless of our football program. I have never felt like more of a customer/commodity than now, as the Big 12 is getting cut up for the highest bidders.

I just love college hoops, and alot of that is because it felt more pure than professional sports (despite all the $$ under the table). I just dont know anymore. I feel like I just found out there is no santa. (sorry parents) They dont care about the student athletes, and they certainly dont care about us, the fans. one of our lifelong passions could be on the verge of a long slide into obscurity because of outside influences we had no control over. Im sure alot of you have some similar feelings.

KCHawk81 10 years, 7 months ago

I share your frustration--although I don't think the decision-makers within college athletics have cared much about the fans or the students for a long, long time. I'd be interested to hear the NCAA's take on all of this. They've been farming out the football postseason for years--so why would they expect the schools consistently involved in the BCS to want to remain within the NCAA for the regular season? As Dan Wetzel pointed out a few days ago, it seems like this has been a long time coming, and quite a few probably anticipated it.

TrueBlue92 10 years, 7 months ago

If Oklahoma and A&M go to the SEC, Nebraska to the Big 10, and Colorado is gone to the Pac 10. Texas will have lost a lot of the "sway" it thought it had. The "Texas Ultimatum" will have completely exploded back in their own faces.

A Texas-sized ego may have created a Texas-sized mistake.

rob4lb 10 years, 7 months ago

Here is a Big East scenario. Interesting that Paul Taglibue is consulting for the Big East. Not the worst option:

My preferred options: 1. Somehow KU sneaks into the Big 10 (very unlikely). I think this is more likely for MU than KU. 2. Get a spot in the PAC-10/16. This one seems to have a pulse. 3. The Big East scenario presented. It could work out pretty well and maintain some regional rivalries. I can imagine a Big Monday doubleheader with all Big East teams. 4. Big 12 stays with new members. I can't imagine that any of the remaining members would trust each other. 5. Join MWC or add MWC members to form a new conference. I read that MWC split less than $30M revenues from its TV package last years compared to $139M for the Big 12. We become a mid-major.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/Watch-This/Remaining-Big-12-schools-to-the-Big-East-gaining-momentum-96137294.html

hawksince51 10 years, 7 months ago

Hey, this Big East thing has merit for KU. It is no worse a geographic option than the Pac 10, gets us into the best B-ball conference, more exposure to the Eastern press, and should help with recruiting in both B-ball and F-ball.

TrueBlue92 10 years, 7 months ago

In a way, being in the center of the US may end up giving us more options/chances!

utahjayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Is that true? Being in the new PAC 16 would mean being next door to CU. What's the farthest west team of the Big East? Cincinnati? Big geographical difference.

Also, I think the Big East could get raided again. I don't think there's a strong bond between schools in the Big East, as there seems to be in the Big 10 or Pac 10.

Bottom line........there are Haves and Have Nots in this whole affair. Big 10, Pac 10, SEC, all Haves. Big XII, Big East and potentially ACC, all Have Nots.

Hank Cross 10 years, 7 months ago

KU, KSU, ISU and ugh MU to the BE gives the BE enough FB teams for a championship game. It also creates the best BB conference by far and has a double header on Big Monday. UConn, Gtown, Syr, and KU in the conference tourney semi-finals is as good as any FF. I think the question is whether the BE would take ISU and KSU as tagalongs.

If A&M goes to the SEC, I can see KU taking that slot.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

The more I think about this I like the Big East scenario the best. Why be the 2nd option for the Big 10 or Pac 10. Those guys can shove it. Big East with that scenario would be hands down best basketball conference in the country. And football wouldn't be that bad. Travel about the same as Pac 10. And would have plenty of TV sets in that conference thus a good TV contract and potentailly own network. I also just heard that the Pac 10 reported $20 million under the new TV contract is an overestimate. They said the value is more likely the combined value of the 2 current TV deals (so about $17 million I think). And finally, Self does well recruiting the east coast. My vote (like my vote matters) is the Big East.

William Weissbeck 10 years, 7 months ago

It is interesting to note that what the NCAA is condoning is that only some schools are going to be allowed to run a full slate of scholarship sports. So in the end it really is the student athlete in the non-revenue sports (those in the commercials that are going to be pros in something else) that are going to be left out. And it furthers the evolution of our higher education state schools into those that are for the priviledged few, and those who are little more than 4 year jucos. And again, these priviledged schools are going to be handing out scholarships for lacrosse and swimming not to those in need, but rather to the few that qualify academically to their institutions. They aren't going to waste a scholarship on a marginal qualifier in those sports, they have to save those for FB and BB.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

I know this would never happen, but seems like the Big 10 and Pac 10 should get a taste of their own medicine. Notre Dame is the big prize for the Big 10 and Texas is the big prize for the Pac 10. Rumor has it the Big 10 would raid some teams from the Big East to force Notre Dame into a conference. Rumor also has it the Pac 10 didn't want Texas to force in Baylor so they went out and got Colorado before that could happen. Wouldn't it be funny for Texas to pick up the phone and call Notre Dame and say, hey stay independent in football come join the Big XII with your other sports and then we can tell the Pac 10 and Big 10 thanks, but no thanks. I know that Notre Dame is comfortable in the Big East, but I don't like sitting back and let the Pac 10 and Big 10 dictate conference realignment. So this would never happen, but I thought it would be funny to undercut these conferences.

Matt Tait 10 years, 7 months ago

UT fight song lyrics read, "The eyes of Texas are upon you..."

Hank Cross 10 years, 7 months ago

Boise state to MW really puts a crimp in any possible attempt to save the B12. I'm sure that Boise would not have jumped unless they thought BYU and UU were staying.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

I took it as Mountain West commish: "Hew Lew, when the Big XII collapses we have a spot you want in?" Lew: "Sorry gotta let you go, I have the Big East on the other line."

Hank Cross 10 years, 7 months ago

I think your right. The North for to the BE seems to be gaining some momentum. Anybody who thought that Gtown and SJU were just going to go away b/c no FB was mistaken. It probably is easier than drawing the inside straight of A&M to the SEC and going to the P10 w/o KSU.

KU, KSU, ISU and MU should be working like fiends to go the BE.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

i guess the only issue would be if the big 10 tries to raid some big east teams to get notre dame to join the big 10. I have a feeling though Notre Dame would fight like crazy to keep the Big East together so they can remain independent in football.

kansaspike 10 years, 7 months ago

Boise St. to MWC means zilch as far as KU bb though. Obviously we want to be in a legit football league.....but not at the expense of being in a crappy bb league.

That Big East scenario is looking better and better.

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Any change in the landscape plays a role as to how all of this turns out.

Christopher Hauser 10 years, 7 months ago

"Interesting game Dr, Faulkin, the only way to win is not to play" This reminds me of the computer in war games that keeps playing tic-tac-toe until it realizes there are no winners in the game. Is there an answer to this mess, will anything work in this ever changing college sports landscape? The college sports fans who hold rivalries dear to their hearts and are the reason that these rivaliries exist are the ones who will loose out. Maybe my analogy is bad but I dont know that the business of college sports will ever understand that money and tradition may be just as important?

Hank Cross 10 years, 7 months ago

Assuming BYU and UU are now commited to the MW, KU's chances of going to the P10 if A&M goes to the SEC may have gone up a bit.

Christopher Hauser 10 years, 7 months ago

edit: I meant tradition is just as important as money

Eric Schneider 10 years, 7 months ago

I don't think BYU or Baylor would have gotten the approval of all the presidents in the Pac 10. And I have my doubts about Texas A&M. BYU, Baylor, and A&M are all ultra-conservative politically. And while it sounds crazy, can you see the president of Stanford or Cal-Berkley voting to include one of those schools. A&M can at least argue revenue figures. This may be all about football and money. But remember, these moves have to be approved by all of the presidents of a given conference.

Boise St is the, well duh, move so far. We've seen this one coming for at least a couple of years.

I'm afraid it's to the point where we need to tell K-State, "you're an your own." The perception is that we have a stronger academic focus. And we generate a lot more revenue. I think the perceived "package deal" is hurting us.

rawkhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

I would hope the possible separation with K State is already being worked out behind the scenes. It's a dog-eat-dog world out there...

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

BYU and Baylor, no. A&M, yes.

BYU and Baylor are religious-based schools, and that is what they are opposed to. That doesn't apply to A&M.

Also, to say that Stanford would reject a school because of the school to be considered holds a conservative political stance is incorrect. Stanford tends to act as a counterweight to Berkeley.

rob4lb 10 years, 7 months ago

If the Big East scenario plays out, ND doesn't have to go the Big 10. I don't know if the Big 10 would then stop at 12 or try to continue to expand to the East Coast. I could them picking Maryland and Rutgers and stop at 14. Certainly from a branding standpoint, moving to the Big East allows KU to strengthen its brand.

The PAC-10 has so much trouble getting exposure on the East Coast that they are holding a media day this fall in New York. I'm about to move the Big East scenario to #2 on my preference list. I would like to see what type of TV revenue the Big East could generate for the school.

jayhawkinATL 10 years, 7 months ago

Looks like the rumor mill will be cranking this weekend since UT will likely not make a decision until next Tuesday at the earliest.

David Hodges 10 years, 7 months ago

Funny to me that the headline of this article and the "Breaking News" blip at the top of SI's page make it seem like this wasn't a done deal last week. Big Surprise really? The MWC was going to add them all along the only reason they held out was to see what teams if any it could steal from the Big12 so it could expand enough to make a case for a BCS affiliation. Anyway breaking news... NOPE.

Matt Tait 10 years, 7 months ago

One of the MWC officials I spoke with said there's a six-year process full of requirements from the BCS when a school is attempting to earn BCS status. According to the person I spoke with, the MWC is in year three of working toward those requirements.

Boise State helps and Big 12 schools would, too. But there are no guarantees, especially if the other conferences expand and start requesting multiple BCS bids because of their size.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

Well if that is the case I think that would probably rule us out. Can't imagine the Big East will not want us and with the uncertainty about whether or not the MWC will become the next BCS conference doesn't seem like a fit. Or perhaps I should say the MWC will be the fall back plan if no other BCS conference comes a knockin. Let us all hope that scenario does not play out.

David Hodges 10 years, 7 months ago

Well if indeed they are at year 3 in applying for BCS status by the time this whole thing plays out they would only be a year away from becoming a BCS conference. Although some rumors have Nebraska and Colorado both asking to be released after next year although if thats the case I'm sure the Big12 will hand out any exit penalties they can. The Mountain West is to me a last case scenario but if for some reason we find ourselves there it seems that it would only be a year or two at most before that conference would be BCS designated.

HawkTronic 10 years, 7 months ago

Missouri Press Conference: "uh, sorry for all the trouble...uh, we would like to say that we really like this conference...uh, especially Texas...can we stay? "

KU_alum_2001 10 years, 7 months ago

Nebraska move is official. Just announced by the Board of Regents.

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Not quite. I understood it as: "we intend to leave, but we don't have an invitation from the Big 10 at the moment."

KU_alum_2001 10 years, 7 months ago

I think the "official" invite is just semantics at this point.

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Probably, but I would laugh if it doesn't actually happen.

It seems like the Big 10 is looking around and regretting what it started. Let's not forget that Mizzou blatantly stated that despite all of their talk, they didn't actually have an invitation.

It also seems like conferences are starting to look at the actual numbers now.

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Interesting article, but the author (unintentionally) writes off most of KU's value. Sure, KC and St. Louis are decent TV markets, but KU basketball has a better national following than any team in the Big East. The most popular teams are Duke, KU, UK, UNC, and UCLA.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

Sheesh as if this isn't confusing enough now there is speculation that the Big East conference "non" football programs are full and they could not expand....

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/23119/east-carolina-ad-talks-big-east

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Sounds like an attempt to push Notre Dame into a corner and pick the Big 10 or the Big East or lose out on a conference for their other sports.

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

He (East Carolina's AD) also had this to say in his letter: "As for the rest of the expansion nationwide, I believe Texas will hold the Big 12 together."

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

funny, i guess maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about. Texas is looking for the first ride out of town, though granted they can pick the nicest car for their travel.

rob4lb 10 years, 7 months ago

This article seems to be more speculative. The biggest issue with the Big East is whether or not they can prevent some of it current schools from moving to another conference.

Annette Lee 10 years, 7 months ago

I'm listening to MWC call about Boise State and it hit me if T Boone offers the start up for big 12 TV then hey lets get aggressive. Look I don't think Iowa has been that happy in the big ten. Has anybody talked to Arkansas? How about Tcu & Smu ? Houston has an exciting football and decent basketball programs. So why would Iowa give up 20 million and the same for Arkansas ? I don't know but has anybody asked?

KCHawk81 10 years, 7 months ago

Watching the live updates on Omaha.com's blog. Looks like they'll play only one more season in the Big 12?

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

I hear out in Denver that CU will try and get out after 1 year too.

KU_alum_2001 10 years, 7 months ago

Thanks again, Mizzou. Well done. Really... a truly great job on your part. Please tell me they end up in the Missouri Valley Conference or somewhere deserving like that.

nckujayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

They will probably end up in the SEC with Texas A&M, but I hope not.

KU_alum_2001 10 years, 7 months ago

The real question (I think) is whether or not the Kansas Board of Regents will approve of KU separating itself from K-State (sorry Kansans to the west) so that we can head off to the Pac 10 "if" Texas A&M heads to the SEC. The Board has publicly stated that it believes the schools should stay together but the Pac 10 would only need one, and KSU isn't an AAU school, meaning they can't get into the Big Ten. Sorry, Wildcats, with all due respect (you're not Mizzou after all), I vote that we leave you. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Karen Mansfield-Stewart 10 years, 7 months ago

I would rather be a Big 10 school if it were offered than Pac-10, but we'll take either right now I think.

KU getting an invite instead of MU would be sweet justice!

rcjh22 10 years, 7 months ago

Lets just hope we get invited by one of them lol

OldOldHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

It takes nine votes to dissolve the Big 12. So, with KU, KSU, ISU, MU and Baylor there are five votes left to maintain the Big 12. Ergo, Big 12 can survive if these five will vote to sustain the conference.

Mountain West votes to join that rump Big 12 creating a 15 team conference (that's manageable) and claims the Big 12's BCS status.

Big Twelve then demands penalty from Nebraska and Colorado. Lawsuit ensues over whether Colorado or Nebraska was first to depart. Additional lawsuit follows from everyone who departs that Big 12 was dissolved. Suits are joined by Federal Judge and Tait can start a new blog.

NWKhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Pretty sure there is some stipulation that in order to keep the automatic BCS bid there needs to be a minimum of 6 members in the conference that have played for 5 years.

OldOldHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Well, I doubt that plan would come to fruition anyway, I just hope we end up somewhere better than Conference USA.

kc_wildfire 10 years, 7 months ago

Matt,

It has been thirty minutes without an update!!! We need more updates :-)

Ron Franklin 10 years, 7 months ago

Arizona Arizona St. Okla St OU Texas KU

That would be a pretty exciting division in the newly formed Pac-??

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

I still would prefer the Pac to add Colorado State, KU, K-State, Texas, and either A&M or OU instead.

Meanwhile, the current arrangement as rumored would be:

Pac-16 East: Arizona ASU CU Oklahoma Oklahoma State Texas Texas Tech + 1 spot (probably KU if A&M goes elsewhere)

jhawkfan1981 10 years, 7 months ago

i cant see the politicians in tx letting a&m and tx split...hope im wrong

Carter Patterson 10 years, 7 months ago

Gov. Parkinson did not send much love to Lew Perkins....

drudat 10 years, 7 months ago

Got to love the political pressure to stay with KSU... No reason one should go down with the other; if the Pac 10 will have us we need to go.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 7 months ago

no kidding. we need to take public initiative on severing connects w/ ksu. only way to get that last spot in the pac-10, if its possible at all. thats assuming the sec wants a&m...

KU_alum_2001 10 years, 7 months ago

Two weeks ago, I would have disagreed but given what's happening, I'm with you. Sorry, K-State, but we're unfortunately going to have to walk alone on this one.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 7 months ago

youre right, its not optimal, but necessary. but the ship is sinking and its everyone for themselves here. our basketball program may turn out to be our life raft, but theres only room for 1.

aerohawk 10 years, 7 months ago

One thing that would lessen the blow to KSU would be guarantees/laws that would get KU to play them every year in football and twice in basketball.

It would add strength of schedule too.

KU_alum_2001 10 years, 7 months ago

BlownJay, this is impossible, fyi. That would leave nine Pac-10 North schools (with Colorado) and six Pac-10 South schools.

Even if you add CU and Tech to your list above (to get to eight in each), the fact is that A&M may still head to the Pac 10 AND that the Kansas Board of Regents is unlikely to support KU ditching KSU.

rob4lb 10 years, 7 months ago

My understanding is that where KU goes is not a regents decision. Even the statement from the governor did not state they have to stay together.

drudat 10 years, 7 months ago

I thought is was going to be PAC 10 East and PAC 10 West. Really the only thing that makes sense with the time zone differences.

KCHawk81 10 years, 7 months ago

It should be said: keep up the good work, Matt! Not sure how I'm going to make it all weekend, but the updates have been much appreciated.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

What!!! No updates this weekend? Maybe longest weekend ever!

HawkTronic 10 years, 7 months ago

Matt: Thanks for keeping the info coming on this. Great work.

Matt Tait 10 years, 7 months ago

You bet. Thanks for the note. Had some help from Whitney Mathews and Jonathan Kealing this afternoon so thanks goes out to them, too.

Glad you've enjoyed it.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 10 years, 7 months ago

I know nobody wants to take Kstate with them but I think KU and Kstate should stay together. We both are in the same state. it makes me sad that we might be separated. I know we have a huge rivalry but if something was to ever happen, we should support each other. I have family at KU and at Kstate.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 7 months ago

everyone has family at both, thats what makes the b12 breakup so rough. severing is our only hope at the bcs i fear.

drudat 10 years, 7 months ago

Grew up in Mancrappenin and went to school at KU. I don't want to see us split, but no sense in both of us sitting on the bench if one of us can play ball. You wouldn't ask Marcus and X to take the bench when their respective brothers couldn't start. Plus, we would make it a point to play them every year i am sure.

FreddyinLA 10 years, 7 months ago

Roll the dice and go independent in men's basketball. If we don't do what's best for men's basketball, we're hurting our crown jewel.

Sounds like we would have our choice of 2nd division conference, so why rush into any of these.

KU_alum_2001 10 years, 7 months ago

Allow Conference USA to adopt the rest... but KU should bolt for that last spot in the Pac 10 (assuming A&M declines it).

jhawkfan1981 10 years, 7 months ago

TULSA.MEMPHIS,HOUSTON,UTEP....WE DONT BELONG THERE

iluvdbskxjayhawks 10 years, 7 months ago

Texas is not taking Baylor with them? I feel sad for Baylor to be left out like this. Poor thing.

Justin LoBurgio 10 years, 7 months ago

Dream Scenario: KU to the Pac 10 mizzou to cUSA or better yet......mizzou to the Sun Belt!

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Dear KU: It certainly sounds like Texas is not going to maintain the conference. Go get an invite to the Pac. Besides, that will give the Pac the Denver market for basketball.

OldOldHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

I don't know about everybody else, but Conference USA doesn't answer my prayers at all. That is my fear.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

next time Matt needs to add "sarcasm added"

Hank Cross 10 years, 7 months ago

Just say no to CUSA. The MW offers much better prospects and is the fastest growing part of the country. UU, BYU, and of course AFA are good academically. I'm still holding out for the BE.

aerohawk 10 years, 7 months ago

I agree whole heartedly. MWC is way better in both basketball and football.

patrick_raftery 10 years, 7 months ago

Big Ten ... THAT is where it is at. The BTN is the goal - it will be great to see the specials on KU Hoops. RCJHKU

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 7 months ago

hopefully the big wigs on campus are on the phones with the bcs conferences this weekend... cusa or mwc would be an insult.

OldOldHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Mountain West an Insult? As of this afternoon they have four football teams that finished the season ranked in the top 20. BYU, Boise State, Utah and TCU. According to Rivals.com no other conference in America has more football teams in the top 10. Unless Gill can get something going I'd say there are football fans out there who would say, "KU? That's a laugher."

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 7 months ago

still an insult. and people have pretty much always said that about ku football.

William Weissbeck 10 years, 7 months ago

That's rich of the Big Ten to broadcast the news conference on their network. I don't know who to hate more, Fox or the Big Ten Network.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 10 years, 7 months ago

I never knew how football is so much more important than basketball.

sbucks 10 years, 7 months ago

Hoop halls don't seat forty or one hunderd thousand people

utahjayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

There's a lot more bball games than football games though. That evens out total attendance. It's the TV contracts that make football more lucrative. Most of the nation prefers football -- yea, they're stupid -- basketball's a much better sport.

Sweet_Sandbags 10 years, 7 months ago

With aTm clearly wanting to go SEC and UT clearly not since they would have to be co-big dogs with Florida, it will be interesting to see if aTm does split. Obviously opens the PAC possibility for KU.

This could also open a KU/aTm scenario to the SEC West. The SEC has still been quiet. Hopefully they would realize that it doesn't just have to be elite football programs since adding too many could cause the conf. to eat its own each year because of the oppressive weight at the top.

Wishful thinking probably, but wouldn't that be sweet?! KU and Coach Turgeon's team rolling through the SEC West each year. :)

rob4lb 10 years, 7 months ago

The biggest problem with going to the SEC is the football team will never be able to compete. I could see MU as a possible SEC school. I still think the PAC-10 is a longshot for KU. The Big East, as proposed, could be good. Right now, I see a flight toward stability and that means if given an opportunity to go to the Big 10, Pac 10 or SEC, you take it.

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

You mean like how Kentucky's football team is unable to compete?

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

Let's be honest, the SEC doesn't want us. We've already established this isn't about basketball. It's also been establish we don't add alot of TV sets. If the SEC wants A&M it's because they want the Houston market share. Perhaps we could ride A&M coattails in but the SEC might look out east to reach 14. I really think out best (perhaps only) options are to back door into the Pac10 or Big East. The Big East has incentive to add us because it gives them a conference championship game in football and perhaps helps ward off the Big 10 from taking Notre Dame.

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

We add lots of tv sets - but in basketball, not football. And that's the problem.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

I don't know if A&M will reject the Pac 10 offer. Sounds like they don't want to be perceived as following Texas but that they will probably still accept the offer. Sure hope Lew has the Big East on the phone. Seems like I read somewhere that it was rumored that Big East officials were in town yesterday (maybe I'm dreaming this up I've read so many different rumors). But is there any truth in that? Anyone? Anyone?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5276668

rob4lb 10 years, 7 months ago

610 sports in KC reported that the Big East was in Lawrence yesterday. I earlier posted a link from a DC paper that spelled out some details. It is not a bad last option if the schools stay in the Big East.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

OK good I'm not losing my mind, I do remember that now. I still think that is where we end up, Big East.

dmg97102 10 years, 7 months ago

If the Big 12 South goes to the Pac 10, then the ACC and SEC are going to raid the Big East. There won't be a Big East to join pretty soon in my opinion, because there's no way Texas A&M parts with Texas. What I don't get is why the Pac 10 and Texas wants Texas Tech. There are a few reasons why they should at least pitch to the Pac 10 for KU over Tech.

  1. I thought a lot of the controversy with Texas looking elsewhere was because the had a "Tech" problem.
  2. If we're talking markets, Lubbock, TX is a wasteland.
  3. KU made $9.24 in revenue last year in the Big 12, and Tech made $8.23 mil based on national TV appearances. I know this is based off of football, but someone has to buy into our basketball program.
  4. Who are they rivals with, that would be mad if they didn't play them every year?
  5. Mike Leach is gone. The fun and gun days of Tech is over and Tommy Tuberville plays grind it out, defensive minded football in the 110 degree North West Texas heat.

I think Tech belongs in the Mountain West with TCU, Boise, Utah, etc (good/not great in football and bad/average in everything else), and KU needs to petition to the Pac 10 aggressively. We've got to be able to tell our basketball recruits that they're going to go play top tier teams year in and year out.

Think about UCLA vs KU every year. It could be the basketball version of Notre Dame vs USC. The storied small town school plays the storied big city team every year.

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

No one wants Texas Tech. However, Tech needs UT in order to survive and the Texas legislature is doing all that they can to link the two together.

The thing about the move is that the Pac wants UT more than anything else, and it is more than willing to go out out of its way to add UT.

That said, the Pac really needs to give a better look at KU - especially when the traditional basketball programs in the league are rebuilding.

utahjayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

+1, which is exactly why we shouldn't want the Big East option. They are not a cohesive league, as shown by their cupboards being raided by the ACC recently. In terms of stability, which are what we've been thru, should be of paramount importance, here's my preferred order:

Big 10 Pac 10 SEC Big East ACC

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

utah, it's obvious you're not a fan of the Big East option and I agree it can not be guaranteed it won't be the next raided. However, don't forget Notre Dame has an interest to keep it together to keep it's football independent. Notre Dame is probably the last big fish remaining, thus I wouldn't consider the Big East dead, yet. However, with that said I think the Pac 10 is our best bet, I just don't see it happening. I am not excited about the SEC (though I'd take it I guess) because of the same reason UT doesn't want to go there, the lack of academics. So I guess once the Pac 10 scenario becomes dead I hope its the Big East or even ACC.

ku_foaf 10 years, 7 months ago

Kansas in the Big East... goodbye ever seeing a road game. Talk about not fitting in with a conference! I once sat with a bunch of Providence fans in Birmingham at the '97 loss to Arizona. They started yelling stuff at us and we weren't even playing them!! Gee, a whole conference full of East Coast jerks. Sounds great.

Justin LoBurgio 10 years, 7 months ago

Can you imagine KU in the Big East? With how well Self recruits the east coast. Now being able to tell players they can play conference games in front of their families. Plus games against South Florida, potentially opening more recruiting roads in Florida. If they ask, we go.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

Not to mention top to bottom best BB conference. No one could dispute that and we'd be tested come tourney time for sure. If this scenario plays out wouldn't be all that bad (unless the Big East gets raided and the BCS birth is taken away for FB).

Justin LoBurgio 10 years, 7 months ago

Big East West division in football.....KU, KSU, mizzou, Iowa St, Louisville and Cincy. Not terrible travel there.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

and we could probably be pretty competitve in that division year in and year out, potentially playing in a Big East Championship game

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 7 months ago

that is a HUGE basketball conference. 21 members.

aerohawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Cancel non-con and just have a huge murderous season.

VAJayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

I don't like any of the possibilities that have been floated so far, but I think the best of these bad options is if we can weasel our way into the Pac-10(or whatever the new name will be). Hopefully, A&M or one of the other South teams will, indeed, go SEC which will give us an opening. If that doesn't happen, the Mtn West I could live with. We would dominate in basketball, much like we do anyway, and we would be more competitive in football. It would make getting to another Orange Bowl tougher, but it's not like that was a regular occurence anyway. Big East doesn't excite me at all, though I can't really tell you why. Conference USA or Missouri Valley would be terrible no matter how you look at it!

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

The big loser (well and the teams left out) in all of this has to be KC and the sprint center......

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 7 months ago

theyre fine, they make plenty from concerts and hannity rallies haha. itll sting a bit though.

Chris Oestreich 10 years, 7 months ago

LJW and Mark, great job with the up to the minute news.
Although most of us Jayhawkers are not excited about the downfall of our Big 12 Conference it is good to have up to the minute news.

KU08 10 years, 7 months ago

I strongly second this comment (I'm sure by Mark he meant Matt).

jhokfan 10 years, 7 months ago

I believe when it's all said and done, KU will be in a BCS conference. There is still a lot of dust to settle and if there will ultimately be four 16 teams conferences, one of them will offer us an invitation. It can not be entirely based on demographics because there are not enough big markets to satisfy every conferences needs.

I pray we don't join the Mountain West or Conference USA.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 10 years, 7 months ago

I just watched ESPN and the guy from Nebraska said that a school asked Nebraska to stay, but they went around 3 conferences to see if they can leave. He didn't name the school, but I think he's referring to KU.

utahjayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Why in the world would you think it's KU?? MU was the one floating their unrequited love for the past six months if not longer. In fact, I think it's a strong argument to blame the implosion of the Big XII on MU. The rest of the league should have passed any possible sanctions on them for the crap they pulled.

What makes you think that KU's been shopping their name around to different conferences? I think you're way off here.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 10 years, 7 months ago

Ooops! My bad. NU was actually referring to Texas. Hahaha. The reason I thought they were referring to Ku because Ku asked Nu to stay, but then I read that KU also is talking to other conferences too. It was all rumors though.

utahjayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Exactly, by far, the best option if it's on the table. For all reasons, strong sports, academics, etc.

sbucks 10 years, 7 months ago

I don't think KU should wait on anymore bull from the rest of the B12. CUSA says they will take any leftover schools from the B12 after all is said and done. CUSA already has 12 schools so I don't think they want more than 4 schools. Therefore KU,KS,IS,and Baylor should immediately join the CUSA and Muck Fizzo and everybody else that put us on the back burner. This is all not a joke, this about KU's future, so we shouldn't wait on anybody since everybody wants to lie to us about what they want or are going to do. Besides CUSA will give us a much better recruiting base than the MW

Hank Cross 10 years, 7 months ago

My first preference would be the P16, better schools, better locations, (I get to see them probably 2 times a year ;).

But, BE BB with the North 4 would make the ACC look like Sun Belt. Double headers on Big Monday. UConn killing MU followed by Gtown at AFH. Wow. The confernece winner would probably have 4-5 losses and still get a No. 1 seed in the tourney. Winning the BE tourney would almost be more of an accomplishment than winning the NCAA.

Oh yeah, the BE can have a conf. FB championship.

It's just

Hank Cross 10 years, 7 months ago

CUSA would be disaster. Watch what happens when the new census comes out, the Mountain states will be the ones adding people. If the BE fails, the MW would be far preferable to CUSA.

OldOldHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Joe Schad just said on ESPNews that "KU and K-State might join the Mountain West if left out in the cold." No attribution, no claim of sources. Make of it what you will.

I'd prefer the PAC-Whatever myself, but I'd prefer MWC to Big East.

Incidentally, they said Boise State's record is factored into MWC's application for BCS status. I did not know that.

Michael Pannacciulli 10 years, 7 months ago

conference usa???? mountain west???????? kill me now.

Hank Cross 10 years, 7 months ago

Some hope at last:

“Look at it this way,” Self said. “No matter what, I’m 100 percent confident we’re going to land. And we may land in a group that gives us more exposure than we ever could have had before. We may land with somebody that opens up recruiting doors in areas that we never really tested before. We’re not gonna lose what we already have. This may open up new avenues for us.”

Self had a new jump in his step, and it wasn’t just the prospects of the evening. He seemed more confident about KU’s place in the conference realignment crisis than he was on Thursday. The more he’s hearing, he said, the better he feels.

“We are gonna be in a BCS conference,” Self said, then repeated himself just to be clear.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/11/2010625/self-is-confident-ku-will-remain.html#ixzz0qbMrquN3

My guess is P16 if A&M scoots, BE otherwise. Either alternatives has great upsides.

utahjayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Good read, man. Good read. Self is absolutely nails and we must keep him at all costs.

Still, though, hoping for the Pac 16 invite. I can only hope that the A&M financial crisis is truly severe and that makes them chase a bigger paycheck in the SEC.

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Sounds like we are working on plans for the Pac-16 and have back-up plans to join the Big East (if it still exists) or the Big 10.

We have a huge influence in Chicago, so the Big 10 doesn't add anything new. We have a major following on the East Coast and Self recruits from there regularly, so nothing new there either. However, we haven't really recruited the West Coast - which mostly belongs to UCLA. It would also add a lot more viewers of KU basketball and reinvigorate Pac basketball.

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

I forgot about Florida, so there's a chance that he was referring to the SEC. However, I think he was referring to the west coast and California in particular.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

or ACC country too? I still think he's talking about the Big East because of the exposure we'd get playing in the media frenzied NE.

BBNIL 10 years, 7 months ago

Obviously if invited to the Pac-10 or (less likely Big 10) KU has to jump on it. But in either case it will be horrible for football success. Colorado has basically just assured itself of being a PAC 10 whipping boy for eternity. They will now have to play Texas and Oklahoma every year as will AZ and ASU. These are pretty much two guaranteed losses. KU would be in the same boat, no chance for a high level or BCS bowl in the Pac 10. I feel we could compete in the BE and possibly dominate in MW (forget CUSA) and would have a much better chance at a BCS bowl in these leagues. Again, for the health of the athletic dept KU would be better off in the the bigger league, but would we be trading athletic success for the money? Maybe I'm trying to find a diamond in a pile of s_ _ _, but it is a thought.

aerohawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Its not a diamond you are looking for, it is a slightly less stinky piece of S in the pile of S.

OldOldHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

You're looking for a diamond in a pile. MWC had four nationally ranked teams at the end of the football season. That's not exactly a place to go looking for easy fball wins.

Disclaimer: if KU went MWC, I'd get to see them play a time or two each year -- not the case now. So, I'm probably not objective.

bulldawg91 10 years, 7 months ago

Boys and Girls you really need to wake up........the Pac 10 sux, point blank. Their only real football power just got put on probation. Look at Oregon's athletic program, football players being booted and they spent weeks hiring a new basketball coach because nobody wanted to coach there.

They barely sellout their football games. They have the lowest revenues of all the major conferences.....why......because when it gets down to it they are not passionate about college athletics. UCLA basketball can't even sellout their home games.

My point being is the ya'll need to come to the good ol' SEC and get your ass kicked in football and be "the basketball" powerhouse with Kentucky. I'm praying it happens. I'm a Georgia grad but my wife is KU 89' and we love the Jayhawks.

Imagine making a road trip to Alabama for football and to Kentucky to visit your old friend Calipari. Going down to The Swamp and playing the Gators.

You could always go out to Washington State and play the Cougars....easily the worst football program in the country the last 3 years or play USC and get your ass kicked by some cheaters. Take your pick.

Remember we need somebody to stick it Calipari's ass. Adding KU will allow the SEC to be the most well rounded conference in the nation. Even Florida has two national championships in basketball, how soon people forget.

There is a reason the SEC is being quiet.....why..... because we OWN college athletics. And it will remain that way for years to come. We have the money, the T.V. exposure and the ATHLETES here in the SOUTH. Plus we have states that have no professional sports (Alabama, Mississippi, SC, Kentucky). College sports is all they have and they are passionate about it.

Remember, things always workout for the best. Be patient, I have a feeling Kansas may be part of the SEC, along with MU and AM. Kansas State needs to go to the MWC, it is a natural fit for them, I mean that in a good way.

Just my thoughts.

utahjayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Thanks for showing Jayhawk nation exactly why we wouldn't want to join the SEC.

bulldawg91 10 years, 7 months ago

Your the one without a home. Have fun begging your way into a BCS conference.

utahjayhawk 10 years, 7 months ago

We don't need your pity, dawgcrap. We'll be alright either way. I can only hope though that it's not a future in a conference seated in a historical region of bigotry and racism.

DevilHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

The good news is that the conferences have started speaking up about KU now that it seems certain that the Big 12 is going implode.

kansaspike 10 years, 7 months ago

Go drink some more Pabst and beat your dog.

shimjhawk2002 10 years, 7 months ago

hilarious kansaspike...top post of the day!

bulldawg91 10 years, 7 months ago

First of all Jack Daniels is the drink of choice. We don't beat our dogs, we beat the crap out of Longhorns like we did in the BCS game.

The SEC would be a good conference for KU to be in, we'll see what happens.

kansaspike 10 years, 7 months ago

Good humor bulldawg91, but how about keeping the "c'mon down and get your ass kicked" comments on an SEC board though, ay?

In seriousness---- I don't think we fit with the SEC, because we're not a football school. I'd take it in a second, but don't see it.

Now hurry and go catch Nascar tonight on ESPN.

Hank Cross 10 years, 7 months ago

I've thought about the SEC and while you make many good points and the SEC is THE dominant FB power (may they always destroy the B10), I just see the P16 and BE as better fits.

First, there is a cultural thing - KU prides itself on being from a Free State - that's why we wave the picture of John Brown at Mizery. I don't mind the Stars and Bars or the Ole Miss Colonel, but we would stick out like a sore thumb.

Second, let's be honest - for 90% of KU fans FB is something to take our BB recruits to. If we could get away with dropping FB and go BB only like Gtown - 90% would be in favor of it. This type of thinking is heretical in the SEC. To say nothing of having the BB team beat up the FB team last year.

It would be an honor to be in the SEC, but we would fit in like Ok State in the P10 - whoops.

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 7 months ago

CUSA wants any of the B12 teams because they need the credintials. There are no football threats in CUSA and barely any basketball threats. Memphis has been trying to go to the BigEast for years. When Louisville, Cinn. and Marquette left for the BigEast, Memphis had some bittersweet emotions. They would surely rule in bball but would sink into near oblivion with their football program. Since adding the newest teams to CUSA, things have only gotten worse from a respect standpoint, nationally for Memphis. They are on the fence with their future as well as the remaining B12 schools. They have fantasized for 30+ years about the SEC. But, the SEC wants no part of them. If CUSA doesn't absorb any CUSA schools, I look for Memphis to bolt for the first conference who will take them in. It can't get worse for them.

KU would gain nothing by joining CUSA. Many of the Memphis bball games weren't even on any tv station in the last 2-3 years. How can that happen? KU would be the transfusion that CUSA wants. But, we gain a bunch of mid-majorish teams both in football and bball. The only good that would come from this is that I could be able to see KU in my hometown once a year. I'm willing to sacrifice this!

DCLawHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Can someone explain to me why Texas would want to let the Big XII break up? They are the big dog in the conference now. Why would they want to have to kowtow to USC, UCLA, and the historic Pac-10 teams? Why would they want to play half their games late at night when no one east of the Rocky Mountains is watching? Why would they want to play in a bunch of places where college sports is an afterthought and people look down on Texas? Or play conference championships in L.A.? I can't imagine the money from the Pac-10 will be that much better than what a Big XII network could produce (perhaps in conjunction with the Pac-10).

The remaining 10 Big XII teams can add 2 other schools and keep going strong. Personally, I'd like to see us try to grab Iowa and Vanderbilt, though it is probably more realistic to add 6 schools from among Air Force, Arkansas, BYU, Houston, Memphis, TCU, Tulane, Rice, or Utah.

Selfishly, as a DC-area resident, I would love to see KU join the Big East. I would go to every KU-Georgetown basketball game at the Verizon Center. I like the idea of KU, K-State, MU, and Iowa State all jumping together. But wouldn't the SEC be a better match for KU's other sports? The SEC schools are good fits for baseball and track and field, whereas KU does not field varsity teams in Lacrosse or Crew. Before this all shakes out, I wouldn't be surprised to see the SEC offer KU along with aTm.

DCLawHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Can someone explain to me why Texas would want to let the Big XII break up? They are the big dog in the conference now. Why would they want to have to kowtow to USC, UCLA, and the historic Pac-10 teams? Why would they want to play half their games late at night when no one east of the Rocky Mountains is watching? Why would they want to play in a bunch of places where college sports is an afterthought and people look down on Texas? Or play conference championships in L.A.? I can't imagine the money from the Pac-10 will be that much better than what a Big XII network could produce (perhaps in conjunction with the Pac-10).

The remaining 10 Big XII teams can add 2 other schools and keep going strong. Personally, I'd like to see us try to grab Iowa and Vanderbilt, though it is probably more realistic to add 6 schools from among Air Force, Arkansas, BYU, Houston, Memphis, TCU, Tulane, Rice, or Utah.

Selfishly, as a DC-area resident, I would love to see KU join the Big East. I would go to every KU-Georgetown basketball game at the Verizon Center. I like the idea of KU, K-State, MU, and Iowa State all jumping together. But wouldn't the SEC be a better match for KU's other sports? The SEC schools are good fits for baseball and track and field, whereas KU does not field varsity teams in Lacrosse or Crew. Before this all shakes out, I wouldn't be surprised to see the SEC offer KU along with aTm.

DCLawHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Can someone explain to me why Texas would want to let the Big XII break up? They are the big dog in the conference now. Why would they want to have to kowtow to USC, UCLA, and the historic Pac-10 teams? Why would they want to play half their games late at night when no one east of the Rocky Mountains is watching? Why would they want to play in a bunch of places where college sports is an afterthought and people look down on Texas? Or play conference championships in L.A.? I can't imagine the money from the Pac-10 will be that much better than what a Big XII network could produce (perhaps in conjunction with the Pac-10).

The remaining 10 Big XII teams can add 2 other schools and keep going strong. Personally, I'd like to see us try to grab Iowa and Vanderbilt, though it is probably more realistic to add 6 schools from among Air Force, Arkansas, BYU, Houston, Memphis, TCU, Tulane, Rice, or Utah.

Selfishly, as a DC-area resident, I would love to see KU join the Big East. I would go to every KU-Georgetown basketball game at the Verizon Center. I like the idea of KU, K-State, MU, and Iowa State all jumping together. But wouldn't the SEC be a better match for KU's other sports? The SEC schools are good fits for baseball and track and field, whereas KU does not field varsity teams in Lacrosse or Crew. Before this all shakes out, I wouldn't be surprised to see the SEC offer KU along with aTm.

DCLawHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Can someone explain to me why Texas would want to let the Big XII break up? They are the big dog in the conference now. Why would they want to have to kowtow to USC, UCLA, and the historic Pac-10 teams? Why would they want to play half their games late at night when no one east of the Rocky Mountains is watching? Why would they want to play in a bunch of places where college sports is an afterthought and people look down on Texas? Or play conference championships in L.A.? I can't imagine the money from the Pac-10 will be that much better than what a Big XII network could produce (perhaps in conjunction with the Pac-10).

The remaining 10 Big XII teams can add 2 other schools and keep going strong. Personally, I'd like to see us try to grab Iowa and Vanderbilt, though it is probably more realistic to add 6 schools from among Air Force, Arkansas, BYU, Houston, Memphis, TCU, Tulane, Rice, or Utah.

Selfishly, as a DC-area resident, I would love to see KU join the Big East. I would go to every KU-Georgetown basketball game at the Verizon Center. I like the idea of KU, K-State, MU, and Iowa State all jumping together. But wouldn't the SEC be a better match for KU's other sports? The SEC schools are good fits for baseball and track and field, whereas KU does not field varsity teams in Lacrosse or Crew. Before this all shakes out, I wouldn't be surprised to see the SEC offer KU along with aTm.

OldOldHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

I agree with what you say about Texas. It's just that all the media "in the know" seem to be pretty sure UT is on its way out. Ideally, the remaining Big-10 could raid, say, TCU and Houston (I even think SMU is going to get its football program going again). And, I would think TCU would welcome the opportunity to step up into a BCS conference. I just wonder about being able to cherry pick schools from other conferences. Surely they would endure penalty clauses as well.

It would be nice to tell NU and CU "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" and bring in TCU and Houston. I'd be all for it. But, I think UT has been talking out of both sides of its mouth. According to a story out of one of the Oklahoma papers today, UT and OSU had communicated about leaving the Big XII for at least several weeks. Yet Dodds continues to claim he is doing everything he can to save the Big XII. What exactly is he doing? I'd like to know.

I've read so much about all this realignment that I can't keep it straight but a story I read tonight (I THINK it was in the sporting news) indicated that MWC commissioner Thompson explicitly refused to rule out a merger with the Big XII. Not much for basketball (BYU finished the year ranked as did UNM) but could be a pretty durn good football conference.

Anyway, I think your ideas about a rebuilt Big XII are good ones, I guess I have just given up on the Big XII because everybody is saying UT is gone on Tuesday. Like you, I'm not sure I see what they gain by joining the Pacific conference.

DCLawHawk 10 years, 7 months ago

Sorry all. Didn't mean to post that multiple times. Key stuck on me.

aerohawk 10 years, 7 months ago

It is OK.

It is OK.

It is OK.

It is OK.

:)

Hank Cross 10 years, 7 months ago

@DCL-These are the questions I have been asking from the beginning. I live in SoCal and college sports are definitely second tier here. Now that SC is going away for a few years, interest will be next to nil. I have to think the value of that contract fell dramatically with USC's downfall.

Nobody cares about Stanford/Cal except a small portion of the students and alumni. The people in CA consider TX and OK the Beverly Hillbillies at best and dangerous white trash at worst. How great is the passion for non-USC FB here? Look at how many NFL teams we have. When the Rams and the Raiders left, they were about the third story on the local news.

If the TX schools were a bad graft on to the B8, this is 10x worse and the end result will likely be the same.

kualuminohio 10 years, 7 months ago

I know there has been some discussion about reestablishing the big 12, this should be the focus the heck with NU and CU. The fact is the remaining big 12 teams could persuade some key members of other conferences to join. Then the Big 12 could become its own super conference. Preserving the big 12 should be paramount. If you are a student athelete are you going to want to travel all over the kingdom to play a sport. No you are going to go to a more regionalized conference school on the east or west coast. The fact is both CU and NU will lose a huge fan base that followed Big 12 sports. Now they will have to seek out a new fan base, how rediculous is that. KU's focus needs to be in preserving the Big 12 and the regional aspects of the Big 12..

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