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A Crimson Quill on Campanile Hill
The Anti-Mangino experiment has failed.
by Joe Ross
Get a good, long look at this man. He's on the Kansas Most Wanted List for impersonating a Coach. Write your Athletic Director and demand that he be fired. Before the end of the week.
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Isn't the kid at Arizona that impersonated a ref being charged with a felony? How is this any different?
And may I ask if he is fired this week who would be the head coach for the rest of the season? And who would be the head coach next year?
I keep reading everyone wants him fired, but nobody ever compiles a list of real coaches that are available or that would even take a coaching job at KU.
Tuberville??? Really cause he didn't look like he could coach much against ISU this past weekend.
Jim Levitt, Brent Venables, Mark Mangino, Bill Young, Mark Stoops....
No one would come in midseason I don't think. But Sheahon Zenger knows that bringing Gill back next season would make him look like an inept, hands-off AD. Another reason Zenger should replace Gill is just that he's a poor coach (a very good man, granted).
Above is a starter list for you. Other coaches may be available near the end of the season. Ill keep you updated.
Not that I need to be updated on coaches, but I have never seen a reasonable list of peoples choices. It's always, "fire Gill", and so on, but nobody has any real candidates.
I will give you Levitt, Venables and possibly Stoops. There is a slim chance of Young, but there is no way they bring Mangino back.
If they fire Gill before the end of the season I think they would make Long the interim HC to finish out the season. As for the other candidates I think Stoops, Leavitt, and Venables are a good start and I'm sure there will be more names that come up when Gill is fired.
It's been shown in the past at different schools even, that if you don't have a list of candidates when you fire a guy that you struggle in finding someone.
Now, if yo know there is just one person you want then no list is needed. But if you have a list before you fire someone, and you have your mediaries speak with their mediaries you can make offers to people almost immediately and not have to worry about people turning you down in the face of the public eye.
Manginorh00lz I would like to see your list of 100 qualified people that would take this job, and not just a list of coaches out there that aren't available.
I get why everyone wants to fire Gill, I really do. But you have to have a plan in place to replace him and his staff. So who is it going to be? Get a list have options if they get hired by someone else, be ready for the coaching carousal.
JRoss, came up with some viable options, so why can't others?
I am not saying it is on the fans to come up with this list, it is up to the AD, the president and the school it's self. They are the ones who need to plan ahead and make things happen behind the scenes.
They need to be working on this list ASAP and not after the fact that Gill has been bought out. once you fire a coach, then you are in scramble mode, and you make mistakes in hirings and pay checks. Which we have all seen just in the recent past, not only at KU but at others.
But if everyone is saying, "fire Gill now!", I am asking the question of, "who is our next coach?" It's easy to fire someone, but without a plan in place then why do it? So who ya got on your list?
Shown in the past? What are you talk about. Causation or some weak correlation?
Well I've seen your posts, and I would never demean your intelligence. I think Mangino is a long shot too, precisely because Zenger is aware of the stir that was made on campus. Also, someone has to put a bug in his ear that if Mangino has to walk on eggshells it will undoubtedly compromise his effectiveness as a head coach, because it's simply not his personality. I've read all the arguments, but I still think there is a good case to be made for a Mangino rehire if it comes down to it. Zenger would just have to announce publicly that he's given Mangino behavioral expectations and sign him to a short-term contract. In any case, feasible or not, Mangino with a temper is better coach than Gill as a saint. It seems that you and I agree that there are candidates out there, but persuading them to come to Kansas might be a hard sell. If they were successful, however, it would be a stroke of coaching genius, the country would honor their ability to turn around a program that is in the toilet, and they could write their ticket anywhere.
That hard sell to KU is why Gill is getting his $2 Mill/year.
Because Perkins was a fool with money? Have you seen what he was paying other "less than successful" coaches at KU? It makes me wish I could come in and lose for 2+ million a season.
When it came down to upgrading facilities, Perkins was on it. When it came down to paying for good coaches, he dropped about ten deuces for every Bill Self.
I will never blame a coach, a player (professional), an actor or performer for accepting money that was/is offered to him.
I agree that Perkins threw money around to coaches like he did his weight in his basement. The problem with that now is when KU goes to hire a new football coach, be it this winter or next, they are going to have to pay the piper.
It's like this, you are going to hire a guy that is going to have to work a lot of OT. He has to rebuild a program, change philosophies and come to KU.
Are you telling me they are going to get a great coach at a budget price? The only way that could happen is there are 100 built in incentives for bonus' and raises. But how do you budget for those?
It's going to be a rough road with lots of forks in it the next couple of years with the football program, no matter who the coach is.
The only answer is to shorten the duration of the initial contract. Three years is reasonable now and should have been sufficient when Gill was hired. Either that or shorten the payout. It's only going to take 10 million to drive our football program into the rocks. This is unconscionable. If Gill is half the man he says he is, he should forfeit his contract and surrender the money. Ironically, he's going to have a hard time sleeping with his conscious. What a mess.
I think the "man" in Gill and the competitor in him will not allow him to quit, no matter how bad things are.
He wants to make it and he seems like the type that will try and try again.
Coaches in general are like politicians, they have large egos. And egos don't let you quit, or give up. It seems one of the few reasons a coach will step down on their own anymore is age (please leave out Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno) or they go out on top. And let's face it that doesn't happen much either.
Bobby Bowden said in an interview when he did retire that if he was treated like coaches now when he first started he would have never made it to be a winner or a hall of famer. He continued to state that coaches do need more time than 2 or 3 years, that a coach needs 4 or 5 to make his program a winner.
Now with that said, and I have supported Gill through all of this as a disclaimer, and I agree with Bowden, but, one must be making strides towards winning and improving every game, every month, every year. I know coach Gill points out areas where they are improving, but the fans only look at the numbers at the end of each Saturday. But without that game, weekly, monthly improvement out of Gill and staff something has to be done.
What needs to be done? Maybe start at new coordinators? Maybe it's another recruiting class? Without Gill stepping aside or getting fired and being paid out millions, there has to be other options for this program or we have to be looking at those options if Gill is allowed to return next year.
I had the opportunity to meet Gill in KC not long after he was hired, and he said all the right things, seemed confident and even dropped his all too familiar coach-speak for a second... So I was encouraged. That was two years ago. While I understand that coaches need time to implement their systems, get their guys in place, etc. etc, I'm not going to state the obvious, but the lack of progress in Year 2 is painfully discouraging. If TGill's teams were losing close games and staying competitive, fans would be patient, they'd be behind Gill and I think we'd all feel much better about the direction of the program.
That's not happening and nothing about the last five games suggests it's going to happen over the last four games. Thus, I'm convinced that The Zeng is going to have to fire him. While it's easy to suggest getting a new D-Coordinator, there's more problems with Gill and his approach than just the Defense. This team has no edge. There's no nastiness to this team. They don't have names on the backs of their jerseys for crying out loud. C'mon. Gill's Kumbaya approach to coaching football is great for middle schoolers and pee-wee kids just learning the game, but in the eternal words of Dan Hawkins - this is the Big 12 Brother. It's Division One Football, it's not intramurals.
The reality is - even Terry Allen - who we'll agree was putrid in his own right - was 9-13 overall and 4-11 in conference in his first two seasons at KU.
So, I agree, Gill needs to go at the end of the year, but it's important - and The Zeng will get this done - is to pick someone young, vibrant and hungry as the next football coach. This nonsense about Mangino? Stop. As I've said in other places on this site - that ship sailed. Is he still obese? Yeah? No thanks. Mark Stoops... Hmm... Well, his defense is at Florida St. is currently 7th in the country in total defense. Not too shabby. And he had a top 25 Defense nationally his last two years at Zona as DC. While I'm worried because his brother Mike's tenure at Zona was less than stellar, I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea of Mark Stoops, but the fact he's been coaching 21 years and hasn't had a head coaching job yet is worrisome. I also keep seeing the name Jim Leavitt thrown around - again, yes, he was good at USF, but he left there because he punched a player - allegedly - and that's never a good thing.
Kerby Smart from Alabama would be the prize hire as far as I'm concerned, but I don't think he'll come to Kansas.... I have faith in Zenger though, because with his experience under Snyder and how he saw KSU become the program it is today, Zenger knows what he wants in a head coach. I'm bummed that Gill couldn't get it done at KU, because I legitimately thought he could. Either way, KU has to hit a home run, maybe a Roy Williams-esque type hire, but somebody, because KU needs to get legitimate in football fast.
It looks like Gill will survive the week and perhaps the season. Zenger had better consider what his move will be at that point. The boosters, fans, and alumni will not tolerate this.
Saturday November 27th. That is the day that should be circled on the calendars.
It is the day after the Border War with Missouri, this season of football will officially be over. From there Zenger and Grey-Little will have to decide where they stand, and where Turner Gill and his staff sit.
It will not surprise me either way if they fire him or keep him. If they fire him it will be based on his performance as a coach. If they keep it it is because the buy out on his contract is to high, that may tie their hands. Maybe they tell him to shuck a few coordinators and give him one more year?
Frank Solich or June Jones would be perfect for KU!
I'd give you Frank Solich but June Jones? If I were AD and thank God Im not (heads would roll), but Id never hire Jones. He's barely making it happen for SMU in Conference USA. That would never do for the caliber of teams we are facing in the Big 12.
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